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Yep, fine with this.
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Category:Tems
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Delete, the article and subcategories are already directly interlinked.
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Category:Janów Podlaski
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Nominator's rationale: This category is a mixture of the
Janów Podlaski farm and the village which bears the same name (
Janów Podlaski). Pretty much nothing in here is defined by the village OR the farm, and does not help with navigation
Mason (
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Comment I created this when I was researching the area, just to save anyone else the trouble and also hopefully so that others would add further articles to the category. It didn't seem any different from other geographic categories, but I have no particular view on whether it stays or goes.--
Northernhenge (
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Oppose deletion: Correcting nom, the category is not a mixture, though the article mentions both village and stud. There are no members of this category that are not related to the stud farm; they are all articles about horses born at the stud, or stallions breeding there, or related articles. I suggest renaming the category to
Category:Janów Podlaski Stud, and putting it under
Category:Horse farms. The Janów Podlaski Stud is well known, more so than the village. The stud is a Historic Monument of Poland. Search google scholar for "Janów Podlaski Stud" and you get hundreds of results. I'm not sure why no one has yet created a wiki article for the Janów Podlaski stud, but there's one in Polish-wiki,
pl:Stadnina Koni Janów Podlaski. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 09:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC) Okay, okay, you twisted my arm... I'm working on translating the article here:
Draft:Janów Podlaski Stud Farm. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 01:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per I am Grorp. There is enough regional distinction in this area and enough articles to justify a category.
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Comment: Though this might well need renaming, that is not the nomination. There are two oppositions to the nomination and no additional comments during one relist period, so I am unsure why you relisted it. If you want to rename it to
Category:Janów Podlaski Stud, I'm sure no one would object. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 22:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd be fine with either rename.
Mason (
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Not "Horses of", because I can conceive of placing other types of articles in that category. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 01:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC) Currently there are 2 towns, 1 man, a horse breed article, and another stud categorized there. Shortly will be the main article for the stud,
Draft:Janów Podlaski Stud Farm, and the Polish wiki has 7 or so articles for men associated with this stud that might get translated to English wiki. So naming it "Horses of" would be wrong today, and wrong in the future. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 15:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Horse farms in Spain
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's not need to diffuse horse farms to this degree (as in every country gets a farm). Upmerge categories with one or two members
Mason (
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Comment Oppose: Note that most of the category members are nation-owned stud farms for breeds of horse originating in those countries, or are facilities of historical interest. These aren't just "farms". The word "splitting" made no sense to me because I checked each one of the articles, and all but maybe two are already in their second "farm" categories. As long as you change them from [Category:Horse farms in _______] to
Category:Horse farms (so they are not lost), then I'm okay with the change. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC) Changing 'comment' to opposed' based on Montanabw's rationale as well as my own reading since I wrote the above. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 23:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose: The stud farms in these European nations are quite distinct entities from mere “farms.” The historic importance of these places was often linked to training animals for military purposes. It would be sort of like merging “military contractors” into “factories.”
Montanabw(talk) 15:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Though someone named these categories "horse farms" in English Wikipedia, the correct term in English is "stud farm". Our word "farm" connotes agriculture related to food production. However, stud farms were the genetic source for transportation and other elite activities, never a food source, which puts them in an entirely different category to other types of "farming". I'm not sure how other [non-English] languages handle it and whether there is a common word like "farm" tying together two different types of concepts (food versus transport) or if there is a clear distinction in those languages, but a quick skip through google translation tells me they don't. (en:stud farm/farm, sp: ganadería/granja, fr:haras/ferme, de:Gestüt/Bauernhof, hu:ménesbirtok/Farm, pl:stadnina koni/gospodarstwo rolne) ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 18:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
According to
Stud farm, they are for breeding rather than for transport. I'd say that still makes them a type of farm.
Marcocapelle (
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Facepalm. For breeding (genetics), not raising as agricultural commodities. From
Farm: with the primary objective of producing food and other crops; it is the basic facility in food production. The
WP:WikiProject Transport editors would argue that horses were primarily "power"; transportation machines for riding, or pulling objects. Also, cats, dogs, tigers, and many other animal species are "bred" but not "farmed". "Breeding" is not identical to "farming", though farming livestock certainly involves breeding. I don't know why you are arguing this. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 23:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Reports of puppy farms (on Wikipedia as
Puppy mill) use the term "farm" in a negative way, whereas the term dog breeder (can't quickly find an article other than
Dog breeding) has more of a "stud" connotation. In the UK, I've never heard anyone say "horse farm" but if they did, I'd assume either they were being negative, so equivalent to puppy farm, or neutral about food production in countries where they eat horses. Regarding transport, there must have been a term used to describe mass production of horses when they were used in enormous numbers for transport, but I don't know what that term would have been. Farm might have made sense then. I agree that stud is a much better term than farm for specialist horse breeding as distinct from mass production. --
Northernhenge (
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@
Grorp Do you have an alternative target for merging?
Mason (
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@
Smasongarrison: I don't see why it needs merging at all. Is there some policy requiring there to be 2 entries before you can create a category similar to other categories on the subject? For those of us who work in the "horse breed" topic, we know our breeds by their place of origin. If you remove each country category that only has 1 or 2 entries, and lump them all together under
Category:Horse farms, then we would have to click on every single one of them to find, say, stud farms in Russia. I don't think removing any of these subcategories improves anything, and you will instead lose what I would consider valuable information. It's not like these stud farm articles are overcategorized. I don't think there's anything in
WP:Categorization or
WP:Overcategorization that says we can't have subcategories with a single entry in them. I consider the subcategorization by country valuable information. You may not be interested in horse breeds, history/origin of horse breeds, or breeding in various countries, but some people are and this is not fancruft... it's history. I went through every article and made sure they weren't categorized in both Farm and Horse farms (unless they were both). ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 01:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
So the purpose of categories is to help navigation. But I would like to know where you thing these categories should belogn. If these categories do not belong in farms, where should they be nested? @
GrorpMason (
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I like how they are currently done. But maybe we're not not talking the same language? I understand
H:CATS. There is nothing in
WP:CFD that explains "splitting".
WP:CI was zero help. And I read through
WP:CAT. There just doesn't seem to be any explanation of "splitting". My interpretation of your original suggestion was to remove/delete the [Category:Horse farms in countryX] if the category has only 1 entry, and recategorize its article with [Category:Horse farms] plus [Category:Farms in countryX]. If that's not what the proposal meant, then please explain "propose splitting". If I understood you correctly, then no... don't do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 04:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
1) The nomination is to "upmerge for now". There is a problem with how one of the tools works, that it labeling as spilt instead of merge.
2) I don't understand why you aren't answering my question. It seems like much of your argument is that Horse farms aren't farms. I am trying to understand where the category should be nested if does not belong in farms. Hence I have asked: "If these categories do not belong in farms, where should they be nested?" You saying that you like it as is, is not helpful. I am trying to understand your perspective on the category. This is a sperate issue than whether the category gets upmerged or not. If the current structure is wrong, then I would like to understand what is the problem.
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Keep all no compelling reason in the nom. As the above discussion shows, the naming here is dubious. "Horse farm" is just not a thing in British English, and has no article. A search on the term shows many places that were "horse farms" in the US & elsewhere in the 19th century or before, when mass-breeding of working horse was a thing. Current places that are notable tend not to use "horse farm", even in the US, and can be divided into
stud farms or racing stables, with some overlap. Probably our categories should be re-arranged this way.
Johnbod (
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My experience in this area is not significant, but my impression was that a horse farm usually (but not quite always, especially in terms of simple searches; see "one-horse farm") means a stud farm, and horse farming means that you have an ordinary old-fashioned farm with a horse to pull the plow (as contrasted with tractor farming). This is sufficiently confusing that I could wish for completely different names in these categories.
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Comment: Why was this relisted? The nomination is based on "not needed" and there are two simple "agree per nom" votes, and four very strong "oppose the nom" votes with reasoning. Though there is some discussion that something could be done with the categories, there is still a clear consensus of opposition to the nomination. So why has this been relisted? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 22:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment. There's not a "clear consensus of opposition". This is likely headed toward non-consensus.
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Category:Warren Spector
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Nominator's rationale: More useful than an eponymous category. If the new name is agreed, only
Warren Spector should be removed, but he and the category should remain linked. –
FayenaticLondon 21:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Both categories could be useful. For example there is
Category:Hideo Kojima and multiple sub-categories for video games and other article types.
Category:Video games designed by Hideo Kojima is a sub-category with game pages. So we could use both for Warren Spector too. -22:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Rename, apart from the eponymous article all content is about video games. No objection to restoring this category after a few more articles not about video games are available.
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Category:Crusader video games
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Nominator's rationale: Only 2 games so not really a franchise. Both articles are interlinked and in plenty of other categories already. –
FayenaticLondon 21:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per nom
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. May be suitable for a list if it can be supported with citations from
WP:RS. –
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Category:Super Bowl halftime show sponsors
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Delete per nom. Thank you for nominating this. I got busy IRL and was going to come back to do this one, too. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Super Bowl halftime show performers
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
WP:PERFCAT is a very strong argument, giving those in favor of deletion the numbers as well as the strength of arguments.
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: Is this a defining quality of these acts? Overcategorization per
WP:PERFCAT. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. We put readers first over editors in Wikipedia. This is not overcategorization. They list the performers who performed in the Super Bowl Halftime Show.
Abhiramakella (
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"We put readers first over editors in Wikipedia. " I don't understand what you mean by this.
Mason (
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Delete, obvious case of
WP:PERFCAT. It is very unhelpful to readers to have a messy long list of category tags in articles.
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Category:People from Ghardaïa
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one person in this category, which is unhelpful from navigation
Mason (
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Keep added more people to the category.
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There are still only three biographies in the category and none in the parent.
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Category:American expatriate male actors in England
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The result of the discussion was:merge. No convincing argument that these are defining (etc).
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 20:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: New category, intersection of where someone is from and where they live and what they do and what their gender is.
WP:NONDEF or
WP:NARROWCAT or at least some form of
WP:OVERCAT? I just realized there are others like these, I may go searching for them and add them later, or others are welcome to.
Largoplazo (
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The parent and sibling category of male actors were tagged too, so I took the liberty to add them in the nomination.
Marcocapelle (
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I second Marcop, that if not kept, these need to be merged, not deleted.
Mason (
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Keep the UK ones, merging in the English ones. Largeish numbers, & defining enough I think.
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Are they really "largeish"? EGRS's examples are categories that would have over a thousand entries if unsplit, not a mere hundred or so.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
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Upmerge per Marcocapelle and Johnbod.
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Category:American female winemakers
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The result of the discussion was:keep. I am convinced by the arguments in opposition, who provided evidence that being a female winemaker is a defining characteristic.
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. I don't think this meets the criteria under EGRS at the intersection of gender, occupation, and nationality. I've already added everyone to an American women category.
Mason (
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Merge, trivial intersection between occupation and gender.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Johnbod How is it defining, under EGRS?
Mason (
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What is this EGRS you keep talking about? Would renaming to
Category:Female winemakers help with the bureaucracy? It seems to me we ought to have such a category.
Johnbod (
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Probably
Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people, which says: “As another example, a female heads of government category is valid as a topic of special encyclopedic interest, though it does not need to be balanced directly against a "Male heads of government" category, as historically the vast majority of political leaders have been male.” So if historically the vast majority of winemakers have been male, there is an argument in favour of keeping this category. It should be a member of
Category:Female winemakers though, and then – for example – we’d need
Category:German female winemakers etc etc. There are presumably too many of them to put everyone into a single category. --
Northernhenge (
talk) 20:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Not, it seems, with articles on Wikipedia. A global
Category:Female winemakers would, probably should, be set up, to keep the gender aspect alive. It would (see below) not be enormous.
Johnbod (
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@
Northernhenge has found the gender specific example. But more broadly, @
Johnbod,
Wikipedia:EGRS requires that the intersection be defining. In other words, "where that combination is itself recognized as a
defining topic that has already been established in sources as academically or
culturally significant in its own right." So there has to be evidence/sources to support the argument that the intersection between being female and being a winemaker is defining.
Mason (
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The paucity of articles in the other national winemaker cats is very strong evidence for this: only 2-3 in Italy (including Countess Cinzano, who inherited), amazingly only one in the 68 Australians, and she married an owner. The 67 French are similar - a couple of inheritances, & only
Christine Barbe, whose career has all been in California. The only Spanish female is "María
Isabel Mijares García-Pelayo (1942 – 10 February 2024) was a Spanish
oenologist. She was considered the first woman in the profession and the first woman to run a winery in Spain.[1] It would be nice if we could disentangle "vineyard owners" from "winemakers" who know one end of a syphon pipe from the other, but I don't suppose we can.
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Keep as defining, a Google books search for female winemakers finds four books that look like reliable sources, all from 2000 or later.
Crushed by Women: Women and Wine (Jeni Port, 2000)
Women of Wine: The Rise of Women in the Global Wine Industry (Ann B. Matasar, 2006)
Women Winemakers: Personal Odysseys (Lucia Albino Gilbert, John C. Gilbert, 2020)
Women of the Vine: Inside the World of Women Who Make, Taste, and Enjoy Wine (Deborah Brenner, 2007)
TSventon (
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And do those sources refer specifically to American women?
The conundrum here is that, per Johnbod, we don't actually have a generic "female winemakers" category, and we need to establish whether that is an oversight first. Because it's difficult to establish that being a woman in the winemaking industry is a particularly notable thing in the United States relative to the wider world. And even then, the reason that we don't have a blanket "women in occupation X" exception is because the main reason for most of those categories to be small is the historical tendency for society to discourage women from running businesses, which is more a society thing than a women thing.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
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Not really; once we have "a generic "female winemakers" category", as we now do, whether a diffusion to a US national category is viable is simply a matter of numbers. No special sources for US examples are needed, though it is utterly unsurprising that
WhatamIdoing has very kindly been able to find some (see below). And no doubt US women figure largely in the non-specific books
TSventon found above, for which also thanks. I think our work here is done.
Johnbod (
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I agree that the main issue is whether there should be a generic "female winemakers" category, so I have created
Category:Women winemakers. American women winemakers are likely to be most numerous as the US has the largest wine industry in an English speaking country and there are a lot of American editors on en Wikipedia.
TSventon (
talk) 14:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks! It is easy to see they are the most numerous, & at present no other national sub-cats seem likely to survive the Cfd Eye of Mordor.
Johnbod (
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Keep, at least for now. There are books like Wine Country Women of Napa Valley (ISBN 978-1944903183) and journal articles like
doi:
10.1111/1468-0424 "Donne in the Vineyards: Italian‐American Women in the California Wine Industry" that are exclusively about women making wine in the US.
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Category:Napoleonic looting of art
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Keep as now is. Apart from the art, there's now only one redirect in
Category:Looting in the Napoleonic Wars, but no doubt plenty of room for expansion - Spain, Russia, Netherlands etc.
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Category:Assassinated Burundian monarchs
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one monard in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Did you check PetScan to see if there are more? Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 22:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I did not check petscan in this case. But I did look through all the assassinated Burundian people to see if there were any other monarchs I had missed.
Mason (
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Oppose. Traditionally some "by nationality" categories only have one entry. This is because the full by nationality tree is intended to contain all nationalities intersecting with the topic. I think leaving out categories from the parent
Category:Assassinated monarchs by nationality only because they have one or few entries provides for incomplete information regarding the topic of assassinated monarchs.
The intention is to build it up collaboratively in time to include all nations where at least one monarch was assassinated. I do think that having a separate category with only one or few entries in a parent category "by nationality" aids in navigation because the reader can simply browse through the nationality category looking for relevant assassinated monarchs. Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 00:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Dual merge, also because it is odd to ghettoize monarchs of a nationality in an assassinated subcategory and separate them from non-assassinated monarchs. This is more something for lists.
Marcocapelle (
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Honestly, it makes me think we should mark assassinated categories as non-diffusing so that assassinated folks aren't ghettoized.
Mason (
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I don't agree with this drive to limit diffusion of categories so much. There are niche interests of readers for a variety of reasons. From specialized researchers to specific interests or intellectual needs. Although I understand NotEverything, I also understand that diffusing assassinated monarchs by nationality is reasonable because assassination of monarchs is of historical interest and the assassination of monarchs in their nations is something notable in its own. Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 00:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Thinker78 What do you think about marking the assassination categories as non-diffusing for monarchs of that nationality?
Mason (
talk) 00:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't understand your request for an example, but I will try my best.@
Thinker78 For example, Assassinated Burundian monarchs is a diffusing category of Burundian monarchs, which means that if a Burundian monarch is assassinated they are removed from Burundian monarchs category and placed in the Assassinated Burundian monarchs category. However, because there is only one assassinated Burundian monarch, that means that monarch is isolated from the rest of the monarchs. And it makes them hidden away from people interested in Burundian monarchs, regardless of their cause of death. If the category were not diffusing, then the assassinated Burundian monarch would also be in the Burundian monarch category, making it easier to find Burundian monarchs, but also allowing people who are interested in assassinations to find that information.
Mason (
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I understand your concern. The solution would be listing the monarch in both the "Burundian monarchs" and the "Assassinated burundian monarchs" categories. I point out that your concern is something I have often thought about when placing a page in a subcategory, removing it from a parent category. That's why I initially left pages in both a parent category and a subcategory and I still have mixed feelings about the situation.
articles should rarely be placed in both a given category and any of its sub- or parent (super-) categories.
I guess this case could fit under "rarely", given your concerns. Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 20:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Delete,
Category:Burundian kings does not need to be divided, nor is the single-entry category helpful.
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Category:21st-century European male musicians
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Nominator's rationale: We don't need to diffuse male musicians by continent
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The result of the discussion was:merge as nominated. SMALLCAT has been deprecated, and thus the opposition was rebutted fully.
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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@
Marcelus, potential for growth is no longer a criteria for keeping a category (
WP:SMALLCAT was depreciated).
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Category:Dyne Foundation
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Even if this is an organization
Dyne Foundation, there's no need to add software to the category.
Mason (
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Hi @
Smasongarrison - I see your nomination, but I am not sure why deletion? Do you think there should be between Category:Dyne Foundation > Dyne Foundation software >...actual individual software pages like it is with Category:Google for example...I am not sure that applies better then category Category:Blender Foundation (also Dutch also FLOSS). Curious to hear your arguments and recommendations! Have a good Easter weekend :-)
Zblace (
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I proposed deletion rather than merging or renaming because I think this category doesn't meet the criteria for
WP:defining. A good rule of thumb is whether the category name would be used in the lead of the article (by a random editor, not merely the category creator). Consider
Devuan's lead, (and ignoring the fact that the Dyne Foundation isn't mentioned anywhere in the text).
Devuan is a fork of the Debian Linux distribution that uses sysvinit, runit or OpenRC instead of systemd.[3][4][5][6] Devuan aims to avoid "lock-in" by projects like systemd[7][8] and aims to maintain compatibility with other init systems to avoid detaching Linux from other Unix systems.
I can't envision a plausible scenario in which the Dyne Foundation would be mentioned in the lead. "The fork is maintained by the
Dyne Foundation." But I don't see how that would be relevant, nor am I sure that that statement is true. If the Dyne Foundation had brand recognitation, maybe... but even that would be hard to fit it. It doesn't seem relevant to the lead.
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Nominator's rationale: Insufficient content for eponymous category, containing only one company and an example of its sponsorship. –
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Category:Honored Science and Technology Figure of Ukraine
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Nominator's rationale: Per NARROWCAT.
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Category:Webtoon webcomic stubs
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Category:TV3 (Norway)
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Nominator's rationale: Moved article per
WP:NCBC without RM so can't speedy. Category should move for the same reason.
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Category:Islamic State – Khorasan Province activities
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Fine with me
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Category:21st-century Danish pharmacists
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one person in this category, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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Why are pharmacists sorted by century at all? I'm inclined to suggest deleting entirely.--
User:Namiba 00:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It is a good question but deletion would require a broader discussion.
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Yep, fine with this.
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Delete, the article and subcategories are already directly interlinked.
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Category:Janów Podlaski
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Nominator's rationale: This category is a mixture of the
Janów Podlaski farm and the village which bears the same name (
Janów Podlaski). Pretty much nothing in here is defined by the village OR the farm, and does not help with navigation
Mason (
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Comment I created this when I was researching the area, just to save anyone else the trouble and also hopefully so that others would add further articles to the category. It didn't seem any different from other geographic categories, but I have no particular view on whether it stays or goes.--
Northernhenge (
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Oppose deletion: Correcting nom, the category is not a mixture, though the article mentions both village and stud. There are no members of this category that are not related to the stud farm; they are all articles about horses born at the stud, or stallions breeding there, or related articles. I suggest renaming the category to
Category:Janów Podlaski Stud, and putting it under
Category:Horse farms. The Janów Podlaski Stud is well known, more so than the village. The stud is a Historic Monument of Poland. Search google scholar for "Janów Podlaski Stud" and you get hundreds of results. I'm not sure why no one has yet created a wiki article for the Janów Podlaski stud, but there's one in Polish-wiki,
pl:Stadnina Koni Janów Podlaski. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 09:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC) Okay, okay, you twisted my arm... I'm working on translating the article here:
Draft:Janów Podlaski Stud Farm. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 01:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per I am Grorp. There is enough regional distinction in this area and enough articles to justify a category.
Montanabw(talk) 15:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Qwerfjkltalk 21:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Though this might well need renaming, that is not the nomination. There are two oppositions to the nomination and no additional comments during one relist period, so I am unsure why you relisted it. If you want to rename it to
Category:Janów Podlaski Stud, I'm sure no one would object. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 22:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I'd be fine with either rename.
Mason (
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Not "Horses of", because I can conceive of placing other types of articles in that category. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 01:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC) Currently there are 2 towns, 1 man, a horse breed article, and another stud categorized there. Shortly will be the main article for the stud,
Draft:Janów Podlaski Stud Farm, and the Polish wiki has 7 or so articles for men associated with this stud that might get translated to English wiki. So naming it "Horses of" would be wrong today, and wrong in the future. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 15:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Horse farms in Spain
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's not need to diffuse horse farms to this degree (as in every country gets a farm). Upmerge categories with one or two members
Mason (
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Comment Oppose: Note that most of the category members are nation-owned stud farms for breeds of horse originating in those countries, or are facilities of historical interest. These aren't just "farms". The word "splitting" made no sense to me because I checked each one of the articles, and all but maybe two are already in their second "farm" categories. As long as you change them from [Category:Horse farms in _______] to
Category:Horse farms (so they are not lost), then I'm okay with the change. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC) Changing 'comment' to opposed' based on Montanabw's rationale as well as my own reading since I wrote the above. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 23:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose: The stud farms in these European nations are quite distinct entities from mere “farms.” The historic importance of these places was often linked to training animals for military purposes. It would be sort of like merging “military contractors” into “factories.”
Montanabw(talk) 15:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Though someone named these categories "horse farms" in English Wikipedia, the correct term in English is "stud farm". Our word "farm" connotes agriculture related to food production. However, stud farms were the genetic source for transportation and other elite activities, never a food source, which puts them in an entirely different category to other types of "farming". I'm not sure how other [non-English] languages handle it and whether there is a common word like "farm" tying together two different types of concepts (food versus transport) or if there is a clear distinction in those languages, but a quick skip through google translation tells me they don't. (en:stud farm/farm, sp: ganadería/granja, fr:haras/ferme, de:Gestüt/Bauernhof, hu:ménesbirtok/Farm, pl:stadnina koni/gospodarstwo rolne) ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 18:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
According to
Stud farm, they are for breeding rather than for transport. I'd say that still makes them a type of farm.
Marcocapelle (
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Facepalm. For breeding (genetics), not raising as agricultural commodities. From
Farm: with the primary objective of producing food and other crops; it is the basic facility in food production. The
WP:WikiProject Transport editors would argue that horses were primarily "power"; transportation machines for riding, or pulling objects. Also, cats, dogs, tigers, and many other animal species are "bred" but not "farmed". "Breeding" is not identical to "farming", though farming livestock certainly involves breeding. I don't know why you are arguing this. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 23:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Reports of puppy farms (on Wikipedia as
Puppy mill) use the term "farm" in a negative way, whereas the term dog breeder (can't quickly find an article other than
Dog breeding) has more of a "stud" connotation. In the UK, I've never heard anyone say "horse farm" but if they did, I'd assume either they were being negative, so equivalent to puppy farm, or neutral about food production in countries where they eat horses. Regarding transport, there must have been a term used to describe mass production of horses when they were used in enormous numbers for transport, but I don't know what that term would have been. Farm might have made sense then. I agree that stud is a much better term than farm for specialist horse breeding as distinct from mass production. --
Northernhenge (
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@
Grorp Do you have an alternative target for merging?
Mason (
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@
Smasongarrison: I don't see why it needs merging at all. Is there some policy requiring there to be 2 entries before you can create a category similar to other categories on the subject? For those of us who work in the "horse breed" topic, we know our breeds by their place of origin. If you remove each country category that only has 1 or 2 entries, and lump them all together under
Category:Horse farms, then we would have to click on every single one of them to find, say, stud farms in Russia. I don't think removing any of these subcategories improves anything, and you will instead lose what I would consider valuable information. It's not like these stud farm articles are overcategorized. I don't think there's anything in
WP:Categorization or
WP:Overcategorization that says we can't have subcategories with a single entry in them. I consider the subcategorization by country valuable information. You may not be interested in horse breeds, history/origin of horse breeds, or breeding in various countries, but some people are and this is not fancruft... it's history. I went through every article and made sure they weren't categorized in both Farm and Horse farms (unless they were both). ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 01:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
So the purpose of categories is to help navigation. But I would like to know where you thing these categories should belogn. If these categories do not belong in farms, where should they be nested? @
GrorpMason (
talk) 01:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I like how they are currently done. But maybe we're not not talking the same language? I understand
H:CATS. There is nothing in
WP:CFD that explains "splitting".
WP:CI was zero help. And I read through
WP:CAT. There just doesn't seem to be any explanation of "splitting". My interpretation of your original suggestion was to remove/delete the [Category:Horse farms in countryX] if the category has only 1 entry, and recategorize its article with [Category:Horse farms] plus [Category:Farms in countryX]. If that's not what the proposal meant, then please explain "propose splitting". If I understood you correctly, then no... don't do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 04:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
1) The nomination is to "upmerge for now". There is a problem with how one of the tools works, that it labeling as spilt instead of merge.
2) I don't understand why you aren't answering my question. It seems like much of your argument is that Horse farms aren't farms. I am trying to understand where the category should be nested if does not belong in farms. Hence I have asked: "If these categories do not belong in farms, where should they be nested?" You saying that you like it as is, is not helpful. I am trying to understand your perspective on the category. This is a sperate issue than whether the category gets upmerged or not. If the current structure is wrong, then I would like to understand what is the problem.
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Keep all no compelling reason in the nom. As the above discussion shows, the naming here is dubious. "Horse farm" is just not a thing in British English, and has no article. A search on the term shows many places that were "horse farms" in the US & elsewhere in the 19th century or before, when mass-breeding of working horse was a thing. Current places that are notable tend not to use "horse farm", even in the US, and can be divided into
stud farms or racing stables, with some overlap. Probably our categories should be re-arranged this way.
Johnbod (
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My experience in this area is not significant, but my impression was that a horse farm usually (but not quite always, especially in terms of simple searches; see "one-horse farm") means a stud farm, and horse farming means that you have an ordinary old-fashioned farm with a horse to pull the plow (as contrasted with tractor farming). This is sufficiently confusing that I could wish for completely different names in these categories.
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Comment: Why was this relisted? The nomination is based on "not needed" and there are two simple "agree per nom" votes, and four very strong "oppose the nom" votes with reasoning. Though there is some discussion that something could be done with the categories, there is still a clear consensus of opposition to the nomination. So why has this been relisted? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 22:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment. There's not a "clear consensus of opposition". This is likely headed toward non-consensus.
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Category:Warren Spector
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Nominator's rationale: More useful than an eponymous category. If the new name is agreed, only
Warren Spector should be removed, but he and the category should remain linked. –
FayenaticLondon 21:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Both categories could be useful. For example there is
Category:Hideo Kojima and multiple sub-categories for video games and other article types.
Category:Video games designed by Hideo Kojima is a sub-category with game pages. So we could use both for Warren Spector too. -22:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Artanisen (
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Rename, apart from the eponymous article all content is about video games. No objection to restoring this category after a few more articles not about video games are available.
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Nominator's rationale: Only 2 games so not really a franchise. Both articles are interlinked and in plenty of other categories already. –
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Support per nom
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Category:Upscale areas of Dhaka
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. May be suitable for a list if it can be supported with citations from
WP:RS. –
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Category:Super Bowl halftime show sponsors
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Delete per nom. Thank you for nominating this. I got busy IRL and was going to come back to do this one, too. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Super Bowl halftime show performers
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
WP:PERFCAT is a very strong argument, giving those in favor of deletion the numbers as well as the strength of arguments.
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: Is this a defining quality of these acts? Overcategorization per
WP:PERFCAT. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. We put readers first over editors in Wikipedia. This is not overcategorization. They list the performers who performed in the Super Bowl Halftime Show.
Abhiramakella (
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"We put readers first over editors in Wikipedia. " I don't understand what you mean by this.
Mason (
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Delete, obvious case of
WP:PERFCAT. It is very unhelpful to readers to have a messy long list of category tags in articles.
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Category:People from Ghardaïa
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one person in this category, which is unhelpful from navigation
Mason (
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Keep added more people to the category.
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There are still only three biographies in the category and none in the parent.
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Category:American expatriate male actors in England
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The result of the discussion was:merge. No convincing argument that these are defining (etc).
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 20:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: New category, intersection of where someone is from and where they live and what they do and what their gender is.
WP:NONDEF or
WP:NARROWCAT or at least some form of
WP:OVERCAT? I just realized there are others like these, I may go searching for them and add them later, or others are welcome to.
Largoplazo (
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The parent and sibling category of male actors were tagged too, so I took the liberty to add them in the nomination.
Marcocapelle (
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I second Marcop, that if not kept, these need to be merged, not deleted.
Mason (
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Keep the UK ones, merging in the English ones. Largeish numbers, & defining enough I think.
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Are they really "largeish"? EGRS's examples are categories that would have over a thousand entries if unsplit, not a mere hundred or so.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
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Upmerge per Marcocapelle and Johnbod.
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Category:American female winemakers
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The result of the discussion was:keep. I am convinced by the arguments in opposition, who provided evidence that being a female winemaker is a defining characteristic.
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. I don't think this meets the criteria under EGRS at the intersection of gender, occupation, and nationality. I've already added everyone to an American women category.
Mason (
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Merge, trivial intersection between occupation and gender.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Johnbod How is it defining, under EGRS?
Mason (
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What is this EGRS you keep talking about? Would renaming to
Category:Female winemakers help with the bureaucracy? It seems to me we ought to have such a category.
Johnbod (
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Probably
Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people, which says: “As another example, a female heads of government category is valid as a topic of special encyclopedic interest, though it does not need to be balanced directly against a "Male heads of government" category, as historically the vast majority of political leaders have been male.” So if historically the vast majority of winemakers have been male, there is an argument in favour of keeping this category. It should be a member of
Category:Female winemakers though, and then – for example – we’d need
Category:German female winemakers etc etc. There are presumably too many of them to put everyone into a single category. --
Northernhenge (
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Not, it seems, with articles on Wikipedia. A global
Category:Female winemakers would, probably should, be set up, to keep the gender aspect alive. It would (see below) not be enormous.
Johnbod (
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@
Northernhenge has found the gender specific example. But more broadly, @
Johnbod,
Wikipedia:EGRS requires that the intersection be defining. In other words, "where that combination is itself recognized as a
defining topic that has already been established in sources as academically or
culturally significant in its own right." So there has to be evidence/sources to support the argument that the intersection between being female and being a winemaker is defining.
Mason (
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The paucity of articles in the other national winemaker cats is very strong evidence for this: only 2-3 in Italy (including Countess Cinzano, who inherited), amazingly only one in the 68 Australians, and she married an owner. The 67 French are similar - a couple of inheritances, & only
Christine Barbe, whose career has all been in California. The only Spanish female is "María
Isabel Mijares García-Pelayo (1942 – 10 February 2024) was a Spanish
oenologist. She was considered the first woman in the profession and the first woman to run a winery in Spain.[1] It would be nice if we could disentangle "vineyard owners" from "winemakers" who know one end of a syphon pipe from the other, but I don't suppose we can.
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Keep as defining, a Google books search for female winemakers finds four books that look like reliable sources, all from 2000 or later.
Crushed by Women: Women and Wine (Jeni Port, 2000)
Women of Wine: The Rise of Women in the Global Wine Industry (Ann B. Matasar, 2006)
Women Winemakers: Personal Odysseys (Lucia Albino Gilbert, John C. Gilbert, 2020)
Women of the Vine: Inside the World of Women Who Make, Taste, and Enjoy Wine (Deborah Brenner, 2007)
TSventon (
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And do those sources refer specifically to American women?
The conundrum here is that, per Johnbod, we don't actually have a generic "female winemakers" category, and we need to establish whether that is an oversight first. Because it's difficult to establish that being a woman in the winemaking industry is a particularly notable thing in the United States relative to the wider world. And even then, the reason that we don't have a blanket "women in occupation X" exception is because the main reason for most of those categories to be small is the historical tendency for society to discourage women from running businesses, which is more a society thing than a women thing.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
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Not really; once we have "a generic "female winemakers" category", as we now do, whether a diffusion to a US national category is viable is simply a matter of numbers. No special sources for US examples are needed, though it is utterly unsurprising that
WhatamIdoing has very kindly been able to find some (see below). And no doubt US women figure largely in the non-specific books
TSventon found above, for which also thanks. I think our work here is done.
Johnbod (
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I agree that the main issue is whether there should be a generic "female winemakers" category, so I have created
Category:Women winemakers. American women winemakers are likely to be most numerous as the US has the largest wine industry in an English speaking country and there are a lot of American editors on en Wikipedia.
TSventon (
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Thanks! It is easy to see they are the most numerous, & at present no other national sub-cats seem likely to survive the Cfd Eye of Mordor.
Johnbod (
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Keep, at least for now. There are books like Wine Country Women of Napa Valley (ISBN 978-1944903183) and journal articles like
doi:
10.1111/1468-0424 "Donne in the Vineyards: Italian‐American Women in the California Wine Industry" that are exclusively about women making wine in the US.
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Category:Napoleonic looting of art
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Keep as now is. Apart from the art, there's now only one redirect in
Category:Looting in the Napoleonic Wars, but no doubt plenty of room for expansion - Spain, Russia, Netherlands etc.
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Category:Assassinated Burundian monarchs
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one monard in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Did you check PetScan to see if there are more? Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 22:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I did not check petscan in this case. But I did look through all the assassinated Burundian people to see if there were any other monarchs I had missed.
Mason (
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Oppose. Traditionally some "by nationality" categories only have one entry. This is because the full by nationality tree is intended to contain all nationalities intersecting with the topic. I think leaving out categories from the parent
Category:Assassinated monarchs by nationality only because they have one or few entries provides for incomplete information regarding the topic of assassinated monarchs.
The intention is to build it up collaboratively in time to include all nations where at least one monarch was assassinated. I do think that having a separate category with only one or few entries in a parent category "by nationality" aids in navigation because the reader can simply browse through the nationality category looking for relevant assassinated monarchs. Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 00:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Dual merge, also because it is odd to ghettoize monarchs of a nationality in an assassinated subcategory and separate them from non-assassinated monarchs. This is more something for lists.
Marcocapelle (
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Honestly, it makes me think we should mark assassinated categories as non-diffusing so that assassinated folks aren't ghettoized.
Mason (
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I don't agree with this drive to limit diffusion of categories so much. There are niche interests of readers for a variety of reasons. From specialized researchers to specific interests or intellectual needs. Although I understand NotEverything, I also understand that diffusing assassinated monarchs by nationality is reasonable because assassination of monarchs is of historical interest and the assassination of monarchs in their nations is something notable in its own. Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 00:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Thinker78 What do you think about marking the assassination categories as non-diffusing for monarchs of that nationality?
Mason (
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I don't understand your request for an example, but I will try my best.@
Thinker78 For example, Assassinated Burundian monarchs is a diffusing category of Burundian monarchs, which means that if a Burundian monarch is assassinated they are removed from Burundian monarchs category and placed in the Assassinated Burundian monarchs category. However, because there is only one assassinated Burundian monarch, that means that monarch is isolated from the rest of the monarchs. And it makes them hidden away from people interested in Burundian monarchs, regardless of their cause of death. If the category were not diffusing, then the assassinated Burundian monarch would also be in the Burundian monarch category, making it easier to find Burundian monarchs, but also allowing people who are interested in assassinations to find that information.
Mason (
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I understand your concern. The solution would be listing the monarch in both the "Burundian monarchs" and the "Assassinated burundian monarchs" categories. I point out that your concern is something I have often thought about when placing a page in a subcategory, removing it from a parent category. That's why I initially left pages in both a parent category and a subcategory and I still have mixed feelings about the situation.
articles should rarely be placed in both a given category and any of its sub- or parent (super-) categories.
I guess this case could fit under "rarely", given your concerns. Sincerely, Thinker78(talk) 20:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Delete,
Category:Burundian kings does not need to be divided, nor is the single-entry category helpful.
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Category:21st-century European male musicians
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Nominator's rationale: We don't need to diffuse male musicians by continent
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The result of the discussion was:merge as nominated. SMALLCAT has been deprecated, and thus the opposition was rebutted fully.
(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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@
Marcelus, potential for growth is no longer a criteria for keeping a category (
WP:SMALLCAT was depreciated).
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Even if this is an organization
Dyne Foundation, there's no need to add software to the category.
Mason (
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Hi @
Smasongarrison - I see your nomination, but I am not sure why deletion? Do you think there should be between Category:Dyne Foundation > Dyne Foundation software >...actual individual software pages like it is with Category:Google for example...I am not sure that applies better then category Category:Blender Foundation (also Dutch also FLOSS). Curious to hear your arguments and recommendations! Have a good Easter weekend :-)
Zblace (
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I proposed deletion rather than merging or renaming because I think this category doesn't meet the criteria for
WP:defining. A good rule of thumb is whether the category name would be used in the lead of the article (by a random editor, not merely the category creator). Consider
Devuan's lead, (and ignoring the fact that the Dyne Foundation isn't mentioned anywhere in the text).
Devuan is a fork of the Debian Linux distribution that uses sysvinit, runit or OpenRC instead of systemd.[3][4][5][6] Devuan aims to avoid "lock-in" by projects like systemd[7][8] and aims to maintain compatibility with other init systems to avoid detaching Linux from other Unix systems.
I can't envision a plausible scenario in which the Dyne Foundation would be mentioned in the lead. "The fork is maintained by the
Dyne Foundation." But I don't see how that would be relevant, nor am I sure that that statement is true. If the Dyne Foundation had brand recognitation, maybe... but even that would be hard to fit it. It doesn't seem relevant to the lead.
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Nominator's rationale: Insufficient content for eponymous category, containing only one company and an example of its sponsorship. –
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Nominator's rationale: Per NARROWCAT.
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Nominator's rationale: Moved article per
WP:NCBC without RM so can't speedy. Category should move for the same reason.
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Fine with me
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Category:21st-century Danish pharmacists
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one person in this category, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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Why are pharmacists sorted by century at all? I'm inclined to suggest deleting entirely.--
User:Namiba 00:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It is a good question but deletion would require a broader discussion.
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