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Nominator's rationale: Merge for now. We don't *really* have sufficient content to diffuse by continent.
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Nominator's rationale: Stub template of unclear necessity. It's used on just two articles, neither of which need it as they're not actually short enough to warrant being tagged as stubs at all -- and while the template itself is a couple of months old, within the past couple of days somebody attempted to make it sort its entries into a dedicated "Barelvi stubs" category that doesn't exist, which I had to revert because redlinked categories are forbidden (meaning I couldn't just leave it there) but stub categories can't be created for just two pages, and require a minimum of 60. So for all of those reasons, it's unclear whether even the template is necessary.
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Delete per nom. ─
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Category:Armenian immigration to Uruguay
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Category:Films with screenplays by Ian Briggs
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Delete per Marcocapelle. There's a long list of similar CfD's concerning
Arab-related categories that had similar problems. –
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Nominator's rationale: A collective name in the plural is better than an adjective to define this ethnic group. Note that, like in Iraq, Turkmen here refers to people with Turkish roots, not the Turkmens of Turkmenistan.
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Nominator's rationale: A collective name in the plural is better than an adjective to define this ethnic group.
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Category:Lists of tallest buildings in Southeast Asia
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has a single category in it, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:1880s initial public offerings
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge more than happy to have decade cats turn into century cats if underpopulated. Can always be recreated if needed.
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Category:Former royal residences in Myanmar
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one page in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation
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Category:Treasure troves in South Korea
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This was my rationale; think its other categories are adequate.
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Nominator's rationale: A collective name in the plural is better than an adjective to define this ethnic group.
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Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category using different term but serves the same purpose. Merge newer one with the older one.
Omnis Scientia (
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Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
Mason (
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Merge but again the other way round - commentators is used by the parent category.
SportingFlyerT·C 09:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SportingFlyer, again - I agree. But the older category should be prioritzed to be kept. I should tell you that there is a bit of a dispute over whether it should be "announcer" or "commentator" on a seperate Cfd since there are two categories named "announcer", one uses "broadcaster", and a third "racecaller".
Omnis Scientia (
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Merge and redirect. I am happy for US English speakers to decide whether announcers or commentators is better for US categories.
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Category:Sports broadcasters
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Nominator's rationale: This is a duplicate category which uses a different term and, IMO, doesn't help in navigation. There is just about no difference between a sports "broadcaster", "announcer", and "commentator" except that countries prefer one term over the other AND that the term used differs by sport. I wouldn't create three different categories for what is basically the same job.
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Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
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Merge and redirect per nom.
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Category:18th-century Dutch political philosophers
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. We don't need to diffuse at the intersection of century + nationality + type of philosopher. (there's not even a main intersection of
Category:17th-century political philosophers)
Mason (
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Merge per nom. I also purged a few articles about people for whom it is quite a stretch to call them a political philosopher (and they weren't called a political philosopher in these articles), leaving the 18th-century category empty.
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Category:Tower Theater
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for a set of albums already appropriately categorized by the venue. If there is consensus to keep, it should be moved to
Category:Tower Theater (Pennsylvania). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, redundant category layer with only a main article and a subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep There is no redundancy and no existing geographic or other categorization for these many popular live albums recorded at this historic venue, only a third or so of which have been placed in the category to date. See Category:Albums recorded at the Hammersmith Apollo for a similar existing category.
Keystone18 (
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Delete there is nothing wrong with the sub-category which is already in another parent category, but this category isn't necessary.
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Category:Hazbin Hotel demons
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Nominator's rationale: Seems unnecessary and overly
WP:NARROW to only allow demon characters in here.
(Oinkers42) (
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Merge to
Category:Hazbin Hotel, so far it's a bit too small to be necessary. If more characters get articles, it can be recreated under the better name.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Merge instead of rename per Marcocapelle.
SportingFlyerT·C 09:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge with the original Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss category.
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Category:Capital Cup (soccer)
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Category:Non-free The New Yorker magazine covers
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Nominator's rationale: These are not-free images which we are claiming fair use protection. Fair use means using the image as conservatively as possible, and they must be a topic of discussion (or serve an identification role). We cannot use the cover of "Dark Side of the Moon" to illustrate the article
Prism, etc. Making them easily accessible for people to browse them out of context is beyond our claim of fair use. Categories and lists are similar in many ways. Would we have an illustrated article "List of non-free New Yorker Covers"?
Oppose. We can just add a No gallery template. The purpose of categories is to help navigation and to facilitate maintenance.
Mason (
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OK, but it already has the appropriate magic word. But wait, I see the issue. If the cover has its own article then it is obviously discussed in context and categorization in the article page (not the file page itself) is OK I would think. You're not directing the reader to a page where a copyrighted image is not discussed. If the image does not have its own article but is used and discussed in article X, then there should be a redirect page directing to the appropriate section of article X, and the category should be added to the redirect page (only). If there doesn't exist an article where the image is discussed (but is shown), we shouldn't be hosting that image.
Possibly you could put the discussion/exposition in the "other info" field of the image file page itself, altho I'm skeptical that this would be OK.
I'm skeptical that any non-free image files should be put into nonhidden categories. Perhaps hidden categories could be added to the image, for maintenance. There may be exceptions, IDK.
Complicated. Probably this is something that should be taken up with the copyright people on the copyright talk page. So I guess it'd be OK (but not really necessary) if you close this request and I could go there.
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Category:Songs from films
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Nominator's rationale: The target category (
Category:Songs written for films) has a very different scope, to the point that I think this redirect is problematic. Namely, people might reasonably put a song in this category because it was in some film at one point, only for it to be recategorized as if it was written for the film. HouseBlaster (
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This is an accidental duplicate nomination. It is also listed further down on this page.
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Category:Australian Thelemites
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate these categories when quite a bit more articles are available.
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Category:Fuels phase-out
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is unhelpful for navigation with only a single category in it
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Category:Fuel subsidies
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now, this category is unhelpful for navigation. This was opposed at speedy for not being entirely eponymous. @
Ymblanter:Mason (
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It currently contains two articles. Merge for now without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available.
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Keep, per Namiba. Would disrupt a decade-plus old categorization scheme and strong oppose merger to the U.S. category, as that would cause disorder among a very well-maintained 19-year-old category that functions only as a container category.
BeanieFan11 (
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For the closer, please note that the keep voters are part of the college football WikiProject and are lacking basis in policy.
Let'srun (
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Namiba is not a member of the college football project; I don't find advocating for order and a common sense outcome to be "lacking basis in policy". Can you point to the criteria that states all categories under a certain number of articles are required to be deleted, no matter the fact that it has been consensus for nearly two decades to do it this way?
BeanieFan11 (
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I don't see any problem with editors being in a related Wikiproject, as long as there's no
WP:CANVAS. -
RevelationDirect (
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Dual Merge per
WP:NARROWCAT. The fact that this category created in 2016 still has 1 entry shows it's not aiding navigation, not that it has too much seniority to be deleted. -
RevelationDirect (
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This has much, much more use in navigation than merging to "College football players in the United States"; I think nearly everyone would agree with me that if someone was looking for Frederick Lions players, and they knew that the categorization scheme was players by team, they would search "Frederick Lions football players": it would make no sense that they would search for "College football players in the United States", an immensely broad category with the potential for tens of thousands of articles if not for the orderly way that this would be disrupting.
BeanieFan11 (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (
talk · he/him) 01:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hence the dual merge to
Category:Frederick Lions athletes. If a few more more relevant biography articles are created to avoid
WP:NARROWCAT, by all means recreate this category since it will then start serving a navigational function. -
RevelationDirect (
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Dual merge per above. –
Aidan721 (
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Dual merge per above - a bit too small of a category.
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Category:Songs from films
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Nominator's rationale: The target category (
Category:Songs written for films) has a very different scope, to the point that I think this redirect is problematic. Namely, people might reasonably put a song in this category because it was in some film at one point, only for it to be recategorized as if it was written for the film. HouseBlaster (
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Delete Since the reason for deletiong is
WP:DEFINING, this discussion probably belongs here rather than
WP:RFD. -
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Nominator's rationale: Merge for now. We don't *really* have sufficient content to diffuse by continent.
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Nominator's rationale: Stub template of unclear necessity. It's used on just two articles, neither of which need it as they're not actually short enough to warrant being tagged as stubs at all -- and while the template itself is a couple of months old, within the past couple of days somebody attempted to make it sort its entries into a dedicated "Barelvi stubs" category that doesn't exist, which I had to revert because redlinked categories are forbidden (meaning I couldn't just leave it there) but stub categories can't be created for just two pages, and require a minimum of 60. So for all of those reasons, it's unclear whether even the template is necessary.
Bearcat (
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Delete per nom. ─
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Category:Armenian immigration to Uruguay
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Category:Films with screenplays by Ian Briggs
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Category:Hispanic Belizean
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Delete per Marcocapelle. There's a long list of similar CfD's concerning
Arab-related categories that had similar problems. –
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Nominator's rationale: A collective name in the plural is better than an adjective to define this ethnic group. Note that, like in Iraq, Turkmen here refers to people with Turkish roots, not the Turkmens of Turkmenistan.
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Nominator's rationale: A collective name in the plural is better than an adjective to define this ethnic group.
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Category:Lists of tallest buildings in Southeast Asia
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has a single category in it, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:1880s initial public offerings
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge more than happy to have decade cats turn into century cats if underpopulated. Can always be recreated if needed.
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Category:Former royal residences in Myanmar
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one page in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation
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Category:Treasure troves in South Korea
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This was my rationale; think its other categories are adequate.
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Category:Afro-Indigenous
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Nominator's rationale: A collective name in the plural is better than an adjective to define this ethnic group.
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Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category using different term but serves the same purpose. Merge newer one with the older one.
Omnis Scientia (
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Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
Mason (
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Merge but again the other way round - commentators is used by the parent category.
SportingFlyerT·C 09:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SportingFlyer, again - I agree. But the older category should be prioritzed to be kept. I should tell you that there is a bit of a dispute over whether it should be "announcer" or "commentator" on a seperate Cfd since there are two categories named "announcer", one uses "broadcaster", and a third "racecaller".
Omnis Scientia (
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Merge and redirect. I am happy for US English speakers to decide whether announcers or commentators is better for US categories.
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Category:Sports broadcasters
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Nominator's rationale: This is a duplicate category which uses a different term and, IMO, doesn't help in navigation. There is just about no difference between a sports "broadcaster", "announcer", and "commentator" except that countries prefer one term over the other AND that the term used differs by sport. I wouldn't create three different categories for what is basically the same job.
Omnis Scientia (
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Support, but I think we should leave a redirect.
Mason (
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Merge and redirect per nom.
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Category:18th-century Dutch political philosophers
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Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. We don't need to diffuse at the intersection of century + nationality + type of philosopher. (there's not even a main intersection of
Category:17th-century political philosophers)
Mason (
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Merge per nom. I also purged a few articles about people for whom it is quite a stretch to call them a political philosopher (and they weren't called a political philosopher in these articles), leaving the 18th-century category empty.
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Category:Tower Theater
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for a set of albums already appropriately categorized by the venue. If there is consensus to keep, it should be moved to
Category:Tower Theater (Pennsylvania). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, redundant category layer with only a main article and a subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep There is no redundancy and no existing geographic or other categorization for these many popular live albums recorded at this historic venue, only a third or so of which have been placed in the category to date. See Category:Albums recorded at the Hammersmith Apollo for a similar existing category.
Keystone18 (
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Delete there is nothing wrong with the sub-category which is already in another parent category, but this category isn't necessary.
SportingFlyerT·C 09:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Hazbin Hotel demons
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Nominator's rationale: Seems unnecessary and overly
WP:NARROW to only allow demon characters in here.
(Oinkers42) (
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Merge to
Category:Hazbin Hotel, so far it's a bit too small to be necessary. If more characters get articles, it can be recreated under the better name.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 00:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge instead of rename per Marcocapelle.
SportingFlyerT·C 09:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge with the original Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss category.
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Category:Capital Cup (soccer)
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Category:Non-free The New Yorker magazine covers
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Nominator's rationale: These are not-free images which we are claiming fair use protection. Fair use means using the image as conservatively as possible, and they must be a topic of discussion (or serve an identification role). We cannot use the cover of "Dark Side of the Moon" to illustrate the article
Prism, etc. Making them easily accessible for people to browse them out of context is beyond our claim of fair use. Categories and lists are similar in many ways. Would we have an illustrated article "List of non-free New Yorker Covers"?
Oppose. We can just add a No gallery template. The purpose of categories is to help navigation and to facilitate maintenance.
Mason (
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OK, but it already has the appropriate magic word. But wait, I see the issue. If the cover has its own article then it is obviously discussed in context and categorization in the article page (not the file page itself) is OK I would think. You're not directing the reader to a page where a copyrighted image is not discussed. If the image does not have its own article but is used and discussed in article X, then there should be a redirect page directing to the appropriate section of article X, and the category should be added to the redirect page (only). If there doesn't exist an article where the image is discussed (but is shown), we shouldn't be hosting that image.
Possibly you could put the discussion/exposition in the "other info" field of the image file page itself, altho I'm skeptical that this would be OK.
I'm skeptical that any non-free image files should be put into nonhidden categories. Perhaps hidden categories could be added to the image, for maintenance. There may be exceptions, IDK.
Complicated. Probably this is something that should be taken up with the copyright people on the copyright talk page. So I guess it'd be OK (but not really necessary) if you close this request and I could go there.
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Category:Songs from films
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Nominator's rationale: The target category (
Category:Songs written for films) has a very different scope, to the point that I think this redirect is problematic. Namely, people might reasonably put a song in this category because it was in some film at one point, only for it to be recategorized as if it was written for the film. HouseBlaster (
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This is an accidental duplicate nomination. It is also listed further down on this page.
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Category:Australian Thelemites
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Merge for now, without objection to recreate these categories when quite a bit more articles are available.
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Category:Fuels phase-out
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is unhelpful for navigation with only a single category in it
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Category:Fuel subsidies
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now, this category is unhelpful for navigation. This was opposed at speedy for not being entirely eponymous. @
Ymblanter:Mason (
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It currently contains two articles. Merge for now without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available.
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Keep, per Namiba. Would disrupt a decade-plus old categorization scheme and strong oppose merger to the U.S. category, as that would cause disorder among a very well-maintained 19-year-old category that functions only as a container category.
BeanieFan11 (
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For the closer, please note that the keep voters are part of the college football WikiProject and are lacking basis in policy.
Let'srun (
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Namiba is not a member of the college football project; I don't find advocating for order and a common sense outcome to be "lacking basis in policy". Can you point to the criteria that states all categories under a certain number of articles are required to be deleted, no matter the fact that it has been consensus for nearly two decades to do it this way?
BeanieFan11 (
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I don't see any problem with editors being in a related Wikiproject, as long as there's no
WP:CANVAS. -
RevelationDirect (
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Dual Merge per
WP:NARROWCAT. The fact that this category created in 2016 still has 1 entry shows it's not aiding navigation, not that it has too much seniority to be deleted. -
RevelationDirect (
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This has much, much more use in navigation than merging to "College football players in the United States"; I think nearly everyone would agree with me that if someone was looking for Frederick Lions players, and they knew that the categorization scheme was players by team, they would search "Frederick Lions football players": it would make no sense that they would search for "College football players in the United States", an immensely broad category with the potential for tens of thousands of articles if not for the orderly way that this would be disrupting.
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 23:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (
talk · he/him) 01:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hence the dual merge to
Category:Frederick Lions athletes. If a few more more relevant biography articles are created to avoid
WP:NARROWCAT, by all means recreate this category since it will then start serving a navigational function. -
RevelationDirect (
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Dual merge per above. –
Aidan721 (
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Dual merge per above - a bit too small of a category.
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Category:Songs from films
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Nominator's rationale: The target category (
Category:Songs written for films) has a very different scope, to the point that I think this redirect is problematic. Namely, people might reasonably put a song in this category because it was in some film at one point, only for it to be recategorized as if it was written for the film. HouseBlaster (
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Delete Since the reason for deletiong is
WP:DEFINING, this discussion probably belongs here rather than
WP:RFD. -
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