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I am not convinced this person exists.
Louis Frederick of Saxe-Hildburghausen is listed as his father, but that article says he was childless. He is listed as being made a cardinal but none of the lists of cardinals created between 1741 and 1830 list his name. He is listed as an archbishop of Olomouc but
List of Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops of Olomouc does not mention him or have any gaps during his lifetime. The German Wikipedia article that text is apparently copied from is about a different person. I cannot find him mentioned in the online copies of either of the article's references. Various Google / online book searches only turn up text from this article and unrelated princes called Ludwig.
Mgp28 (
talk) 22:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. No citations. Contradicts other articles that say his supposed father was childless. Probable hoax.
Celia Homeford (
talk) 08:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete No evidence of notability. And the contradiction with other articles is not really helping. Keivan.fTalk 13:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete as hoax. Article creator only made 4 mainspace edits. C679 06:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus.
48JCL(
talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way.
48JCL(
talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the
Talmud.
Ethanbas(
talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable"
48JCLTALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of
WP:WAX. Look at
Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable.
48JCLTALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I generally ignore Wikipedia essays and only follow the policies and guidelines, so I do not accept the premises behind WP:WAX. I agree with you that an article existing in just one other language does not make it notable; however, I get a feeling that this article about Carl Schleicher would exist without any issues in *every other language* except in English. Maybe the original creator of the draft had a poor first draft which attracted (now undue) attention?
Ethanbas(
talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again?
48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is?
FortunateSons (
talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Here are the comments left by the reviewer:
Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the
biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a
reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the
biographical notability criteria at
the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to
WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics?
Robert McClenon (
talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at
the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at
the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected.
Robert McClenon (
talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)reply
That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions?
FortunateSons (
talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do.
48JCLTALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, the article is less than great, agreed so far. However, being in significant need of improvement is not a deletion criteria.
The dead BBC links are a problem, and I couldn’t find an archived one, so this probably does not meet notability criteria now.
FortunateSons (
talk) 06:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It seems like this article should be merged into articles about the German and Austrian militaries of various eras, which generally include discussion of uniforms. Just because there is a German word for "military uniform" doesn't mean that word is a distinct topic. We already have
military uniform; the military uniforms of German-speaking countries (as opposed to Germany and Austria and Switerland, separately) don't make a natural subtopic of that. --
Beland (
talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
$5000 tournament at bwf international level which doesn't meet the notability criteria WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBAD. The only notable ones which get enough coverage in notable websites are World Tour tournaments.
Moreover the tournament winners are already mentioned here in
Austrian International page as each of those editions can't be created on their own due to notability issue.zoglophie•talk• 08:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, was unable to find non-primary sources.
✶Quxyz✶ 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Draftify – As
WP:ATD. The event is ongoing and the article was recently created, if there are more sources they can be added accordingly.
Svartner (
talk) 22:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
DoczillaOhhhhhh, no! 12:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 22:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Keep per presented sufficient newspaper coverage and general notability presented as a significant cashback entity, possibly one of the first global ones (operating since 2003).--
Welcome to Pandora (
talk) 08:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Austria. It is one of many
deletion lists coordinated by
WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
Adding a new AfD discussion
Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at
WP:AFD. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at
WP:AFD. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps:
Edit this page and add {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|Austria|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.
Note that there are a few
scripts and tools that can make this easier.
Removing a closed AfD discussion
Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by
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You can also add and remove links to other discussions (
prod,
CfD,
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Further information
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Archived discussions (starting from September 2007) may be found at:
I am not convinced this person exists.
Louis Frederick of Saxe-Hildburghausen is listed as his father, but that article says he was childless. He is listed as being made a cardinal but none of the lists of cardinals created between 1741 and 1830 list his name. He is listed as an archbishop of Olomouc but
List of Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops of Olomouc does not mention him or have any gaps during his lifetime. The German Wikipedia article that text is apparently copied from is about a different person. I cannot find him mentioned in the online copies of either of the article's references. Various Google / online book searches only turn up text from this article and unrelated princes called Ludwig.
Mgp28 (
talk) 22:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. No citations. Contradicts other articles that say his supposed father was childless. Probable hoax.
Celia Homeford (
talk) 08:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete No evidence of notability. And the contradiction with other articles is not really helping. Keivan.fTalk 13:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete as hoax. Article creator only made 4 mainspace edits. C679 06:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus.
48JCL(
talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way.
48JCL(
talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the
Talmud.
Ethanbas(
talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable"
48JCLTALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of
WP:WAX. Look at
Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable.
48JCLTALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I generally ignore Wikipedia essays and only follow the policies and guidelines, so I do not accept the premises behind WP:WAX. I agree with you that an article existing in just one other language does not make it notable; however, I get a feeling that this article about Carl Schleicher would exist without any issues in *every other language* except in English. Maybe the original creator of the draft had a poor first draft which attracted (now undue) attention?
Ethanbas(
talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again?
48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is?
FortunateSons (
talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Here are the comments left by the reviewer:
Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the
biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a
reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the
biographical notability criteria at
the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to
WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics?
Robert McClenon (
talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at
the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at
the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected.
Robert McClenon (
talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)reply
That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions?
FortunateSons (
talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do.
48JCLTALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, the article is less than great, agreed so far. However, being in significant need of improvement is not a deletion criteria.
The dead BBC links are a problem, and I couldn’t find an archived one, so this probably does not meet notability criteria now.
FortunateSons (
talk) 06:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It seems like this article should be merged into articles about the German and Austrian militaries of various eras, which generally include discussion of uniforms. Just because there is a German word for "military uniform" doesn't mean that word is a distinct topic. We already have
military uniform; the military uniforms of German-speaking countries (as opposed to Germany and Austria and Switerland, separately) don't make a natural subtopic of that. --
Beland (
talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
$5000 tournament at bwf international level which doesn't meet the notability criteria WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBAD. The only notable ones which get enough coverage in notable websites are World Tour tournaments.
Moreover the tournament winners are already mentioned here in
Austrian International page as each of those editions can't be created on their own due to notability issue.zoglophie•talk• 08:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, was unable to find non-primary sources.
✶Quxyz✶ 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Draftify – As
WP:ATD. The event is ongoing and the article was recently created, if there are more sources they can be added accordingly.
Svartner (
talk) 22:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
DoczillaOhhhhhh, no! 12:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 22:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Keep per presented sufficient newspaper coverage and general notability presented as a significant cashback entity, possibly one of the first global ones (operating since 2003).--
Welcome to Pandora (
talk) 08:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply