Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Wikipedia CD Selection
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: With only a subcategory for albums, the group doesn't require an eponymous parent category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 22:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 11:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:34, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Is an eponymous category really needed for what amounts to two articles? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 22:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles are already directly interlinked.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Marco Mason ( talk) 05:29, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk) 11:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
17:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Skull Base to Category:Skull
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think it really helps to isolate these articles in a small subcategory. But if kept, the category needs to be renamed to either
Category:Skull base (because there's no need for the capital B) or
Category:Base of skull (because that's the name of the main article).
Pichpich (
talk)
22:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think it can be helpful to have a more specific tag of "Skull base" or "Base of skull" since it adds information for readers. For example, an article on the facial nerve could fall under the category "Nerves," but that doesn't mean it shouldn't also be tagged "Cranial nerves." Prophylax ( talk) 21:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in
Category:Skull or
Category:Foramina of the skull.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please see above reply for rationale for keeping the "Skull base" category. Furthermore, "Foramina of the skull" is only a subset of "Skull base." Prophylax ( talk) 21:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I think (with all due respect)
Prophylax is misunderstanding how categories are used on Wikipedia. Per
WP:CATV,
It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories
. In other words, we do not use categories toadd[] information for readers
—we use them to organize information for readers. See also why "its useful" is a poor reason to keep a page on Wikipedia.To your example of Facial nerve, it is actually not in Category:Nerves. Instead, it is in Category:Nerves of the head and neck, which is in Category:Nerves. See our guideline on subcategories for more information. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge both to Category:Filmmakers. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not defining. People are described as filmmakers or directors. Mason ( talk) 21:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't they be merged instead of deleted?
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, do you have good merge targets in mind?
Mason (
talk)
05:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept it should probably be a manual merge to the tree of
Category:Filmmakers.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- That works for me: manual merge to the tree of Category:Filmmakers. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept it should probably be a manual merge to the tree of
Category:Filmmakers.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, do you have good merge targets in mind?
Mason (
talk)
05:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Cistugidae.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cistugo to Category:Cistugidae
- Nominator's rationale: This is the only genus in the family so the category should be the family name, similar to Category:Thyropteridae Enwebb ( talk) 21:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is the only subcategory of Category:Bats by classification that isn't a family. Plantdrew ( talk) 16:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Captive people
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to
Category:Fictional human test subjects. There is clear consensus that the current name is unsuitable, but less clear consensus on what the new name should be.
Category:Fictional human test subjects had at least some support from most participants.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Fictional victims of human experimentation to Category:Fictional test subjects
- Nominator's rationale: The title of this category uses loaded language when it says "victims", implying that any form of human experimentation is a crime. Or, at the very least, it's unnecessarily narrow, limiting itself to criminal experiments. This would appear to make it a WP:ARBITRARYCAT; the proposed name would make it less arbitrary. They could still appear in Category:Fictional crime victims or Category:Fictional hostages and kidnapped people if said experiments were evil. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 20:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge under different name: I'll admit that the current terminology could be problematic. but I think proposed rename is too broad since it doesn't specify the types of tests were performed. If the word "victim" is too loaded, I'd instead suggest
Category:Fictional subjects of human experimentation.
ThanatosApprentice (
talk)
20:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to
Category:Fictional human test subjects.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I support either rename proposal to get rid of the phrase victim. I don't have a strong feeling about which rename specifically, but I am inclined towards "human test subjects". Mason ( talk) 02:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to
Category:Fictional human test subjects.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Fictional human test subjects as most specific and NPOV name. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Video game protagonists.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Silent protagonists to Category:Video game protagonists
- Nominator's rationale: There are multiple problems with this category. First of all, "silent protagonist" doesn't imply you're mute. Second of all, many of these protagonists do talk or make noise at some point, leading to potential edit warring as to what exactly "silent" means. This is much better as a list, if necessary, than a category.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
20:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to
Category:Fictional mute characters instead.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Most of them are not mute characters, they are only unheard from our perspective. If they were truly mute, none of the other characters would understand them. Rarely speaking also doesn't mean mute.
-
Category:Fictional mute characters should only encompass the speaking disorder in order to make sure there is no confusion or alternate interpretations. I'm not saying silent protagonists aren't a thing, but I'm not sure a category's the best way to classify them.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
21:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge per nom. Oppose alt merge per zxcvbnm. Mason ( talk) 22:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to
Category:Fictional mute characters instead.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge and oppose the alternate, per nominator. I see how this is too arbitrary and prone to edit warring. Shooterwalker ( talk) 14:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, then open a new CfD on Category:Fictional mute characters per objection to alt. Kirby mostly speaks gibberish. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:40, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Museums devoted to one artist. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Category:Museums devoted to one artist may also be trivial and perhaps should be deleted as well. User:Namiba 20:09, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. No consensus to delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Underwater diving on Guam to Category:Underwater diving in Guam
- Nominator's rationale: The other category uses "in" as do all the diving sites (e.g. Category:Underwater diving sites in Guam, Category:Underwater diving in the United Kingdom) Mason ( talk) 01:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete and move the article to Category:Underwater diving by country, redundant category layer with just the eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Either would work. This raises the question of what happens to the article Underwater diving on Guam. To achieve consistency it should be renamed to Underwater diving in Guam, which should not be a problem, and is probably more logicaly correct anyway. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there is an equivalent situation at Category:Diving in the Maldives, which should be fixed the same way.· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 09:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 19:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names. (If the category and subcategory should be merged, that can be handled in a subsequent nomination. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 14:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 18:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Superfluous category. At this moment, 13 out of 14 articles in this category are either bombings and shootings. Not disasters. When cleaned up, nearly nothing is left. The Banner talk 17:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, acts of terrorism belong to man-made disasters. Marcocapelle ( talk) 23:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per Marcocapelle. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:French Quebecers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of Category:Dutch diaspora in South Africa under different name Omnis Scientia ( talk) 16:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to
Category:Dutch South AfricanCategory:Dutch diaspora in South Africa per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)- @
Marcocapelle, if you want to merge, it should be with
Category:Dutch diaspora in South Africa. But the categories in the nominated on are already in the second category which is why I nominated it for deletion instead of merging.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
17:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, then delete. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, if you want to merge, it should be with
Category:Dutch diaspora in South Africa. But the categories in the nominated on are already in the second category which is why I nominated it for deletion instead of merging.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
17:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Redundancy. -- Katangais (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The season was canceled, the league folded, and there is no chance for growth. The lone article is already in the subcategory. User:Namiba 16:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:European Mexican to Category:European diaspora in Mexico
- Propose merging Category:Russian Mexican to Category:Russian diaspora in Mexico
- Propose merging Category:Spanish Mexican to Category:Spanish diaspora in Mexico
- Nominator's rationale: Basically duplicates under different names. Both are about diasporas and should be merged. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 16:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Dutch Caribbean
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Convocations of the Mazhilis
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:1st-century European people.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:1st-century Irish people to Category:1st-century European people
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article. Semi-isolated from nearest sibling. – Aidan721 ( talk) 13:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason ( talk) 02:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Development of individual fictional characters
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:8th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:8th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:9th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:9th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:10th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:10th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:11th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:11th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:12th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:12th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:13th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:13th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:14th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:14th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:15th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:15th-century Asian people
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection. The Tai people are a language group. Mason ( talk) 04:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but the first target should be any Foo people subcategory of
Category:Tai peoples rather than
Category:Tai peoples itself.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the updated target :) Mason ( talk) 19:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand. @
Marcocapelle: would you be able to give an example? Thanks,
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
HouseBlaster: I mean manually merge, sorry I was not clear about that. For example
Huang Shaoqing is already in
Category:Zhuang people, a subcategory of
Category:Tai peoples so no need to put it directly in
Category:Tai peoples as well.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
03:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it; if being unclear was against the rules I would have been CBAN'd a very long time ago :)@
Smasongarrison: does that work for you?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
04:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- totally works for me :) Mason ( talk) 04:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it; if being unclear was against the rules I would have been CBAN'd a very long time ago :)@
Smasongarrison: does that work for you?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
04:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
HouseBlaster: I mean manually merge, sorry I was not clear about that. For example
Huang Shaoqing is already in
Category:Zhuang people, a subcategory of
Category:Tai peoples so no need to put it directly in
Category:Tai peoples as well.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
03:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Texas secession movements
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Records by country.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Architecture records by country to Category:Architecture by country and Category:Records by country
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. this category has only one page in it, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 03:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but only to Category:Records by country because the subcategory is already in Category:Lists of buildings and structures by country. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Architecture in Ghana by century to Category:Architecture in Ghana
- Propose merging Category:Architecture in Brazil by century to Category:Architecture in Brazil
- Propose merging Category:Architecture in Croatia by century to Category:Architecture in Croatia
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in each of these categories, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 03:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Moreover, diffusion of architecture by century does not make a lot of sense because it will largely duplicate the buildings and structures tree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Debut plays.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:16th-century debut plays to Category:16th-century plays and Category:Debut plays
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is unhelpful for navigation with only one play in it. Mason ( talk) 02:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but only to Category:Debut plays because the article is already in Category:1510s plays. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Novels by century of setting. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 02:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Bahraini writers. No prejudice against recreation if the category can be appropriately populated.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Bahraini writers by genre to Category:Bahraini writers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one genre in here, and I'm not sure if poetry counts as a genre. Mason ( talk) 02:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for Now per WP:NARROWCAT but with no objection to recreation should the article count grow, per WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The only category member in this entire tree isn't notable until the 20th century. Mason ( talk) 02:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment What category would these be upmerged to? Shouldn't this be a nomination for a Merge, not a Deletion?
Liz
Read!
Talk!
21:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- In theory it would be upmerged to 19th century poets, but the only person in the tree isn't notable in the 19th century. I'm not opposed to recreation if there were notable 19th-century Bahraini people, but there aren't at the moment. Mason ( talk) 02:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All for now per Nom and above clarification. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is effectively empty. Bangladesh doesn't exist until 1971. Mason ( talk) 02:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, the articles are already in Category:18th-century Indian royalty. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, ahistorical. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation. The only "occupation" in here isn't actually about people from that ethnic group, but is for actors in "Meitei cinema". Mason ( talk) 02:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The deepest subcategory is already in Category:Women in Meitei culture. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 2-article category. If kept, should be renamed Avon Grove alumni Gjs238 ( talk) 02:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Meitei people.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Meitei people to Category:Meitei people
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge (for now?). This category isn't helpful for navigation as there are only two people in here, and I don't think we really need to diffuse ethnicity by century for this category. Mason ( talk) 02:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for Now per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is a weird category. Just one entry, and incorrect - in the time of People's Republic of Poland, there were no presidential pardons, the pardons were awarded by a different body ( State Council of the Polish People's Republic), and so the corresponding category on Poland for that period (the one that would be correct for the single bio currently listed in the nominated category) is Category:Recipients of pardons from the State Council of the Polish People's Republic - pl:Kategoria:Ułaskawieni przez Radę Państwa (Polska Ludowa)). Now, presidential pardons existed in Poland before and after that period, but it is confusing to group them like this (since it would mean the period of 1918-1952 and 1989-present, more or less). Pl wiki instead has separate subcategories for different periods, something we should replicate one day (see Kategoria:Ułaskawieni w Polsce). In the meantime, this needs to go. PS. Also, there's no parent Category:Recipients of presidential pardons to worry about and I am not sure if this would ever be needed (but maybe one day we will categorize pardons by pardoning body? If so, for Poland this likely should be just an empty container for the more detailed periods anyway). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Nobility from Japan to Category:Japanese nobility
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure what the difference between these two categories is?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
02:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge. Looks like a recently created duplicate by a relatively new user. Mason ( talk) 02:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge. per above. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Imperial House of Japan. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Countesses of Barcelona
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Countesses of Ribagorza to Category:Spanish countesses
- Nominator's rationale: Merge. Does not seem to be a defining feature for the only page member. Also worth noting that there is no equivalent category for "Count of Ribagorza" Mason ( talk) 01:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the article is about a queen consort, this countess title is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
20:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:20th-century American people by occupation and state to Category:20th-century American people by state and Category:American people by occupation and state or territory
- Propose merging Category:21st-century American people by occupation and state to Category:21st-century American people by occupation and Category:21st-century American people by state
- Nominator's rationale: Same issue as the other category Mason ( talk) 00:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's not enough occupations in here to justify a subcategory. It's not helpful for navigation to have only one category in here. Mason ( talk) 01:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle:. There's another category for the 21st century
Mason (
talk)
00:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment As it looks like the 21st-century has had some sticking power, and as I see corresponding 20th-century categories have been added, I sought to create Category:21st-century mayors of populated places in New Jersey so I could start adding it. In doing so, there was a laundry list of categories that needed to be created as parents. If Category:21st-century American people by occupation and state needs to be split, this category should be split accordingly. Alansohn ( talk) 00:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
Alansohn:, I accidentally forgot to delete the nom after I moved it here.
Mason (
talk)
02:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
Smasongarrison I'm slightly confused by the above discussion, what happened?
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- I accidentally posted the nom for Category:21st-century American people by occupation and state to Category:21st-century American people by occupation and Category:21st-century American people by state) to two places. My intent had been to only place the nom on this page as I thought it fit well/logically in this conversation. However, by the time I realized my mistake, Alansohn had already commented. So I moved their comment here (you can also see it in the edit history) to consolidate the conversation. Mason ( talk) 22:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
Smasongarrison I'm slightly confused by the above discussion, what happened?
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
Alansohn:, I accidentally forgot to delete the nom after I moved it here.
Mason (
talk)
02:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. – Aidan721 ( talk) 19:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Proposed National parks in Wales to Category:National parks in Wales
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to Category:National parks in Wales, I created it mistakenly long ago and only actually has one real entry (the N.E.W. NP), the proposed national park is to replace CRDV (which isn't an NP). And only recently created the proposed article so while there are now two entries there really should be one, and therefore the category isn't really needed. Dank Jae 23:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Selectively merge per nom, only one article needs to be recategorized. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for clarity then given it's not (yet) a national park, nor granted the designation. Already sufficiently interlinked in the main article. Respublik ( talk) 22:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 18:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seawolf35 T-- C 00:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is very close to consensus, we are merely debating whether North East Wales National Park belongs in the Natural parks target. I am still saying yes, because national park is the topic of the article. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Selectively Merge North East Wales National Park to Category:National parks in Wales per Marcocapelle since it would aid navigation to be there but, if that doesn't have consensus, Delete per Respublik as a 2nd choice. Either way though, there is consensus to get rid of Category:Proposed National parks in Wales. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Explorers of West Asia.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Travelers in Asia Minor to Category:Travelers
- Nominator's rationale: Traveling in "Asia Minor" is not defining Mason ( talk) 04:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but I think that
Category:Explorers of West Asia is a better merge target. Multiple of these people travelled in various Middle Eastern countries.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a fair alternative, only I am not sure we can say these territories were previously undescribed (as I think they should be for the travel to count as exploration) - they are known via classical geographers such as Strabo, for example. If Anatolia/Asia Minor can be retained instead of West Asia that would be preferable because more specific. I am aware that no equivalent categories are available for most other regions and for much larger geographical units. The benefit of keeping the list as it is would be that it is already specific to Anatolia/Asia Minor which is quite a substantial and well-defined region. I guess it depends on what detail of coverage Wikipedia is aiming for. VampaVampa ( talk) 11:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose tentatively. Since I added the category I could perhaps clarify it and attempt to defend its viability (not necessarily its name). The category was intended to bring together biographies of archaeologists, historians and classicists who left written accounts of their visits (often amounting to semi-professional archaeological surveys) to sites of historical interest in Anatolia, aka Asia Minor. In other words, the category corresponds to people active in the field of producing learned travel literature for the historical sites of Asia Minor. This will not be a standard defining activity for these people, but arguably just because it is quite narrowly specialised and so may not feel relevant to most readers. A good example of a scholar who made "travel in Asia Minor" their de facto academic speciality is Louis Robert. However, Wikipedia does have a category for Holy Land travellers, which looks similar in its criteria of inclusion. If Asia Minor does not merit the treatment given to the Holy Land, then perhaps the category could be revised to make it more useful to readers. Most of the travel covered by the category occurred during the Ottoman period, when this form of activity enjoyed popularity (especially in Britain, France and Germany), so "Travelers to the Ottoman Empire" would be a reasonable modification (requiring some articles to be dropped, of course). This could also work because many of the travelers in question went to Greece, Balkans or other Mediterranean parts of West Asia as well as Anatolia. Many of the "travelers in Asia Minor" were also antiquarians and Orientalists, which might give another way of renaming the category. This peculiar usage of "traveler" has its tradition in scholarly literature - this is what the title of C. H. E. Haspels's memoirs refers to: I am the last of the travelers. VampaVampa ( talk) 01:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please comment on my alt merge proposal separately. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Lean TowardAlt Merge to Category:Explorers of West Asia to better convey what I think the intent is here. @ VampaVampa: I'd welcome your perspective though. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 15:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)- Support Alt Merge. Apologies, I seem to have misunderstood how a merge works above when responding to Marcocapelle's original proposal. Renaming as "Explorers of Asia Minor" or "Explorers of Anatolia" and adding as subcategory to the Category:Explorers of West Asia seems perfectly reasonable. The category already contains subcategories highly similar in scope and content to this one. VampaVampa ( talk) 23:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seawolf35 T-- C 00:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)- Support alt merge. I think that the alter merge target is an improvement and fits with the content Mason ( talk) 01:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Firmed up my iVote above based on the category creator's feedback. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Contest merge, propose rename and move as per my explanation above (19 January 2024, 23:52). I was not aware at the time that "merge" cannot apparently be fine-tuned to consist of renaming and moving. As there are already separate subcategories for Category:Explorers of Arabia, Category:Explorers of the Caucasus and Category:Explorers of Iran, there is no reason why there should not be one for "Explorers of Anatolia" within Category:Explorers of West Asia. The entries presently listed under the general category are "orphan" items that can easily be assigned to a valid regional subcategory.
- VampaVampa ( talk) 08:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: With only a subcategory for albums, the group doesn't require an eponymous parent category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 22:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 11:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:34, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Is an eponymous category really needed for what amounts to two articles? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 22:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles are already directly interlinked.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Marco Mason ( talk) 05:29, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk) 11:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
17:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Skull Base to Category:Skull
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think it really helps to isolate these articles in a small subcategory. But if kept, the category needs to be renamed to either
Category:Skull base (because there's no need for the capital B) or
Category:Base of skull (because that's the name of the main article).
Pichpich (
talk)
22:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think it can be helpful to have a more specific tag of "Skull base" or "Base of skull" since it adds information for readers. For example, an article on the facial nerve could fall under the category "Nerves," but that doesn't mean it shouldn't also be tagged "Cranial nerves." Prophylax ( talk) 21:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in
Category:Skull or
Category:Foramina of the skull.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please see above reply for rationale for keeping the "Skull base" category. Furthermore, "Foramina of the skull" is only a subset of "Skull base." Prophylax ( talk) 21:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I think (with all due respect)
Prophylax is misunderstanding how categories are used on Wikipedia. Per
WP:CATV,
It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories
. In other words, we do not use categories toadd[] information for readers
—we use them to organize information for readers. See also why "its useful" is a poor reason to keep a page on Wikipedia.To your example of Facial nerve, it is actually not in Category:Nerves. Instead, it is in Category:Nerves of the head and neck, which is in Category:Nerves. See our guideline on subcategories for more information. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge both to Category:Filmmakers. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not defining. People are described as filmmakers or directors. Mason ( talk) 21:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't they be merged instead of deleted?
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, do you have good merge targets in mind?
Mason (
talk)
05:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept it should probably be a manual merge to the tree of
Category:Filmmakers.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- That works for me: manual merge to the tree of Category:Filmmakers. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept it should probably be a manual merge to the tree of
Category:Filmmakers.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, do you have good merge targets in mind?
Mason (
talk)
05:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Cistugidae.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cistugo to Category:Cistugidae
- Nominator's rationale: This is the only genus in the family so the category should be the family name, similar to Category:Thyropteridae Enwebb ( talk) 21:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is the only subcategory of Category:Bats by classification that isn't a family. Plantdrew ( talk) 16:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to
Category:Fictional human test subjects. There is clear consensus that the current name is unsuitable, but less clear consensus on what the new name should be.
Category:Fictional human test subjects had at least some support from most participants.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Fictional victims of human experimentation to Category:Fictional test subjects
- Nominator's rationale: The title of this category uses loaded language when it says "victims", implying that any form of human experimentation is a crime. Or, at the very least, it's unnecessarily narrow, limiting itself to criminal experiments. This would appear to make it a WP:ARBITRARYCAT; the proposed name would make it less arbitrary. They could still appear in Category:Fictional crime victims or Category:Fictional hostages and kidnapped people if said experiments were evil. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 20:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge under different name: I'll admit that the current terminology could be problematic. but I think proposed rename is too broad since it doesn't specify the types of tests were performed. If the word "victim" is too loaded, I'd instead suggest
Category:Fictional subjects of human experimentation.
ThanatosApprentice (
talk)
20:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to
Category:Fictional human test subjects.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I support either rename proposal to get rid of the phrase victim. I don't have a strong feeling about which rename specifically, but I am inclined towards "human test subjects". Mason ( talk) 02:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to
Category:Fictional human test subjects.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Fictional human test subjects as most specific and NPOV name. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Video game protagonists.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Silent protagonists to Category:Video game protagonists
- Nominator's rationale: There are multiple problems with this category. First of all, "silent protagonist" doesn't imply you're mute. Second of all, many of these protagonists do talk or make noise at some point, leading to potential edit warring as to what exactly "silent" means. This is much better as a list, if necessary, than a category.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
20:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to
Category:Fictional mute characters instead.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Most of them are not mute characters, they are only unheard from our perspective. If they were truly mute, none of the other characters would understand them. Rarely speaking also doesn't mean mute.
-
Category:Fictional mute characters should only encompass the speaking disorder in order to make sure there is no confusion or alternate interpretations. I'm not saying silent protagonists aren't a thing, but I'm not sure a category's the best way to classify them.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
21:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge per nom. Oppose alt merge per zxcvbnm. Mason ( talk) 22:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to
Category:Fictional mute characters instead.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge and oppose the alternate, per nominator. I see how this is too arbitrary and prone to edit warring. Shooterwalker ( talk) 14:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, then open a new CfD on Category:Fictional mute characters per objection to alt. Kirby mostly speaks gibberish. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 11:40, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Museums devoted to one artist. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Category:Museums devoted to one artist may also be trivial and perhaps should be deleted as well. User:Namiba 20:09, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. No consensus to delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Underwater diving on Guam to Category:Underwater diving in Guam
- Nominator's rationale: The other category uses "in" as do all the diving sites (e.g. Category:Underwater diving sites in Guam, Category:Underwater diving in the United Kingdom) Mason ( talk) 01:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete and move the article to Category:Underwater diving by country, redundant category layer with just the eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Either would work. This raises the question of what happens to the article Underwater diving on Guam. To achieve consistency it should be renamed to Underwater diving in Guam, which should not be a problem, and is probably more logicaly correct anyway. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there is an equivalent situation at Category:Diving in the Maldives, which should be fixed the same way.· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 09:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Rename per WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names. (If the category and subcategory should be merged, that can be handled in a subsequent nomination. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 14:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Superfluous category. At this moment, 13 out of 14 articles in this category are either bombings and shootings. Not disasters. When cleaned up, nearly nothing is left. The Banner talk 17:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, acts of terrorism belong to man-made disasters. Marcocapelle ( talk) 23:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per Marcocapelle. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:French Quebecers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of Category:Dutch diaspora in South Africa under different name Omnis Scientia ( talk) 16:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to
Category:Dutch South AfricanCategory:Dutch diaspora in South Africa per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)- @
Marcocapelle, if you want to merge, it should be with
Category:Dutch diaspora in South Africa. But the categories in the nominated on are already in the second category which is why I nominated it for deletion instead of merging.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
17:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, then delete. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, if you want to merge, it should be with
Category:Dutch diaspora in South Africa. But the categories in the nominated on are already in the second category which is why I nominated it for deletion instead of merging.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
17:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Redundancy. -- Katangais (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The season was canceled, the league folded, and there is no chance for growth. The lone article is already in the subcategory. User:Namiba 16:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F. – Aidan721 ( talk) 14:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:European Mexican to Category:European diaspora in Mexico
- Propose merging Category:Russian Mexican to Category:Russian diaspora in Mexico
- Propose merging Category:Spanish Mexican to Category:Spanish diaspora in Mexico
- Nominator's rationale: Basically duplicates under different names. Both are about diasporas and should be merged. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 16:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Dutch Caribbean
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Convocations of the Mazhilis
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:1st-century European people.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:1st-century Irish people to Category:1st-century European people
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article. Semi-isolated from nearest sibling. – Aidan721 ( talk) 13:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason ( talk) 02:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Development of individual fictional characters
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:8th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:8th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:9th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:9th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:10th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:10th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:11th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:11th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:12th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:12th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:13th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:13th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:14th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:14th-century Asian people
- Propose merging Category:15th-century Tai people to Category:Tai peoples and Category:15th-century Asian people
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection. The Tai people are a language group. Mason ( talk) 04:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but the first target should be any Foo people subcategory of
Category:Tai peoples rather than
Category:Tai peoples itself.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the updated target :) Mason ( talk) 19:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand. @
Marcocapelle: would you be able to give an example? Thanks,
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
HouseBlaster: I mean manually merge, sorry I was not clear about that. For example
Huang Shaoqing is already in
Category:Zhuang people, a subcategory of
Category:Tai peoples so no need to put it directly in
Category:Tai peoples as well.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
03:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it; if being unclear was against the rules I would have been CBAN'd a very long time ago :)@
Smasongarrison: does that work for you?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
04:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- totally works for me :) Mason ( talk) 04:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it; if being unclear was against the rules I would have been CBAN'd a very long time ago :)@
Smasongarrison: does that work for you?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
04:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
HouseBlaster: I mean manually merge, sorry I was not clear about that. For example
Huang Shaoqing is already in
Category:Zhuang people, a subcategory of
Category:Tai peoples so no need to put it directly in
Category:Tai peoples as well.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
03:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Texas secession movements
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Records by country.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Architecture records by country to Category:Architecture by country and Category:Records by country
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. this category has only one page in it, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 03:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but only to Category:Records by country because the subcategory is already in Category:Lists of buildings and structures by country. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Architecture in Ghana by century to Category:Architecture in Ghana
- Propose merging Category:Architecture in Brazil by century to Category:Architecture in Brazil
- Propose merging Category:Architecture in Croatia by century to Category:Architecture in Croatia
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in each of these categories, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 03:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Moreover, diffusion of architecture by century does not make a lot of sense because it will largely duplicate the buildings and structures tree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Debut plays.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:16th-century debut plays to Category:16th-century plays and Category:Debut plays
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category is unhelpful for navigation with only one play in it. Mason ( talk) 02:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but only to Category:Debut plays because the article is already in Category:1510s plays. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Novels by century of setting. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 02:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Bahraini writers. No prejudice against recreation if the category can be appropriately populated.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Bahraini writers by genre to Category:Bahraini writers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one genre in here, and I'm not sure if poetry counts as a genre. Mason ( talk) 02:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for Now per WP:NARROWCAT but with no objection to recreation should the article count grow, per WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The only category member in this entire tree isn't notable until the 20th century. Mason ( talk) 02:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment What category would these be upmerged to? Shouldn't this be a nomination for a Merge, not a Deletion?
Liz
Read!
Talk!
21:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- In theory it would be upmerged to 19th century poets, but the only person in the tree isn't notable in the 19th century. I'm not opposed to recreation if there were notable 19th-century Bahraini people, but there aren't at the moment. Mason ( talk) 02:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All for now per Nom and above clarification. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is effectively empty. Bangladesh doesn't exist until 1971. Mason ( talk) 02:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, the articles are already in Category:18th-century Indian royalty. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, ahistorical. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation. The only "occupation" in here isn't actually about people from that ethnic group, but is for actors in "Meitei cinema". Mason ( talk) 02:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The deepest subcategory is already in Category:Women in Meitei culture. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 03:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 2-article category. If kept, should be renamed Avon Grove alumni Gjs238 ( talk) 02:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Meitei people.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
03:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Meitei people to Category:Meitei people
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge (for now?). This category isn't helpful for navigation as there are only two people in here, and I don't think we really need to diffuse ethnicity by century for this category. Mason ( talk) 02:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for Now per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is a weird category. Just one entry, and incorrect - in the time of People's Republic of Poland, there were no presidential pardons, the pardons were awarded by a different body ( State Council of the Polish People's Republic), and so the corresponding category on Poland for that period (the one that would be correct for the single bio currently listed in the nominated category) is Category:Recipients of pardons from the State Council of the Polish People's Republic - pl:Kategoria:Ułaskawieni przez Radę Państwa (Polska Ludowa)). Now, presidential pardons existed in Poland before and after that period, but it is confusing to group them like this (since it would mean the period of 1918-1952 and 1989-present, more or less). Pl wiki instead has separate subcategories for different periods, something we should replicate one day (see Kategoria:Ułaskawieni w Polsce). In the meantime, this needs to go. PS. Also, there's no parent Category:Recipients of presidential pardons to worry about and I am not sure if this would ever be needed (but maybe one day we will categorize pardons by pardoning body? If so, for Poland this likely should be just an empty container for the more detailed periods anyway). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Nobility from Japan to Category:Japanese nobility
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure what the difference between these two categories is?
House
Blaster (
talk · he/him)
02:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge. Looks like a recently created duplicate by a relatively new user. Mason ( talk) 02:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge. per above. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Imperial House of Japan. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Countesses of Barcelona
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(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
18:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Countesses of Ribagorza to Category:Spanish countesses
- Nominator's rationale: Merge. Does not seem to be a defining feature for the only page member. Also worth noting that there is no equivalent category for "Count of Ribagorza" Mason ( talk) 01:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the article is about a queen consort, this countess title is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
talk
20:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:20th-century American people by occupation and state to Category:20th-century American people by state and Category:American people by occupation and state or territory
- Propose merging Category:21st-century American people by occupation and state to Category:21st-century American people by occupation and Category:21st-century American people by state
- Nominator's rationale: Same issue as the other category Mason ( talk) 00:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's not enough occupations in here to justify a subcategory. It's not helpful for navigation to have only one category in here. Mason ( talk) 01:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Marcocapelle:. There's another category for the 21st century
Mason (
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00:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment As it looks like the 21st-century has had some sticking power, and as I see corresponding 20th-century categories have been added, I sought to create Category:21st-century mayors of populated places in New Jersey so I could start adding it. In doing so, there was a laundry list of categories that needed to be created as parents. If Category:21st-century American people by occupation and state needs to be split, this category should be split accordingly. Alansohn ( talk) 00:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Alansohn:, I accidentally forgot to delete the nom after I moved it here.
Mason (
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02:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Smasongarrison I'm slightly confused by the above discussion, what happened?
Qwerfjkl
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18:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- I accidentally posted the nom for Category:21st-century American people by occupation and state to Category:21st-century American people by occupation and Category:21st-century American people by state) to two places. My intent had been to only place the nom on this page as I thought it fit well/logically in this conversation. However, by the time I realized my mistake, Alansohn had already commented. So I moved their comment here (you can also see it in the edit history) to consolidate the conversation. Mason ( talk) 22:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Smasongarrison I'm slightly confused by the above discussion, what happened?
Qwerfjkl
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18:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Alansohn:, I accidentally forgot to delete the nom after I moved it here.
Mason (
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02:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. – Aidan721 ( talk) 19:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Category:Transgender prostitutes
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
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18:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Proposed National parks in Wales to Category:National parks in Wales
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to Category:National parks in Wales, I created it mistakenly long ago and only actually has one real entry (the N.E.W. NP), the proposed national park is to replace CRDV (which isn't an NP). And only recently created the proposed article so while there are now two entries there really should be one, and therefore the category isn't really needed. Dank Jae 23:59, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Selectively merge per nom, only one article needs to be recategorized. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for clarity then given it's not (yet) a national park, nor granted the designation. Already sufficiently interlinked in the main article. Respublik ( talk) 22:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 18:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seawolf35 T-- C 00:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is very close to consensus, we are merely debating whether North East Wales National Park belongs in the Natural parks target. I am still saying yes, because national park is the topic of the article. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Selectively Merge North East Wales National Park to Category:National parks in Wales per Marcocapelle since it would aid navigation to be there but, if that doesn't have consensus, Delete per Respublik as a 2nd choice. Either way though, there is consensus to get rid of Category:Proposed National parks in Wales. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Western Samoa
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Explorers of West Asia.
(non-admin closure)
Qwerfjkl
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18:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Travelers in Asia Minor to Category:Travelers
- Nominator's rationale: Traveling in "Asia Minor" is not defining Mason ( talk) 04:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but I think that
Category:Explorers of West Asia is a better merge target. Multiple of these people travelled in various Middle Eastern countries.
Marcocapelle (
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06:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a fair alternative, only I am not sure we can say these territories were previously undescribed (as I think they should be for the travel to count as exploration) - they are known via classical geographers such as Strabo, for example. If Anatolia/Asia Minor can be retained instead of West Asia that would be preferable because more specific. I am aware that no equivalent categories are available for most other regions and for much larger geographical units. The benefit of keeping the list as it is would be that it is already specific to Anatolia/Asia Minor which is quite a substantial and well-defined region. I guess it depends on what detail of coverage Wikipedia is aiming for. VampaVampa ( talk) 11:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose tentatively. Since I added the category I could perhaps clarify it and attempt to defend its viability (not necessarily its name). The category was intended to bring together biographies of archaeologists, historians and classicists who left written accounts of their visits (often amounting to semi-professional archaeological surveys) to sites of historical interest in Anatolia, aka Asia Minor. In other words, the category corresponds to people active in the field of producing learned travel literature for the historical sites of Asia Minor. This will not be a standard defining activity for these people, but arguably just because it is quite narrowly specialised and so may not feel relevant to most readers. A good example of a scholar who made "travel in Asia Minor" their de facto academic speciality is Louis Robert. However, Wikipedia does have a category for Holy Land travellers, which looks similar in its criteria of inclusion. If Asia Minor does not merit the treatment given to the Holy Land, then perhaps the category could be revised to make it more useful to readers. Most of the travel covered by the category occurred during the Ottoman period, when this form of activity enjoyed popularity (especially in Britain, France and Germany), so "Travelers to the Ottoman Empire" would be a reasonable modification (requiring some articles to be dropped, of course). This could also work because many of the travelers in question went to Greece, Balkans or other Mediterranean parts of West Asia as well as Anatolia. Many of the "travelers in Asia Minor" were also antiquarians and Orientalists, which might give another way of renaming the category. This peculiar usage of "traveler" has its tradition in scholarly literature - this is what the title of C. H. E. Haspels's memoirs refers to: I am the last of the travelers. VampaVampa ( talk) 01:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please comment on my alt merge proposal separately. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Lean TowardAlt Merge to Category:Explorers of West Asia to better convey what I think the intent is here. @ VampaVampa: I'd welcome your perspective though. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 15:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)- Support Alt Merge. Apologies, I seem to have misunderstood how a merge works above when responding to Marcocapelle's original proposal. Renaming as "Explorers of Asia Minor" or "Explorers of Anatolia" and adding as subcategory to the Category:Explorers of West Asia seems perfectly reasonable. The category already contains subcategories highly similar in scope and content to this one. VampaVampa ( talk) 23:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seawolf35 T-- C 00:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)- Support alt merge. I think that the alter merge target is an improvement and fits with the content Mason ( talk) 01:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Firmed up my iVote above based on the category creator's feedback. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 03:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Contest merge, propose rename and move as per my explanation above (19 January 2024, 23:52). I was not aware at the time that "merge" cannot apparently be fine-tuned to consist of renaming and moving. As there are already separate subcategories for Category:Explorers of Arabia, Category:Explorers of the Caucasus and Category:Explorers of Iran, there is no reason why there should not be one for "Explorers of Anatolia" within Category:Explorers of West Asia. The entries presently listed under the general category are "orphan" items that can easily be assigned to a valid regional subcategory.
- VampaVampa ( talk) 08:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)