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See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 March 24. -- Ned Scott 06:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There has been heated discussion on the article of Geoffrey Edelsten.
The article has the following serious policy issues. WP:COAT - Coatrack, WP:LIBEL - Defamation, WP:BLP - Biographies of Living Persons, WP:NOT - What Wikipedia is Not, WP:HARM - Avoiding Harm.
Negative comments have been removed consistently and then added back by aggressive users. The administrator Doc glasgow has already deleted the comments in question but as mentioned, they continually come back by this selection of users.
Please block users who are performing vandalism and protect this article. It is probably best for deletion. -- Wikifactsright ( talk) 13:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The editor claiming to be Ben Stevens is back removing stuff from his article. Stephens is apparently a Alaska state politician under an FBI investigation. Previously I reported this here a month or so back, and the article was stubbed for careful rebuilding. This time User:Bostonb5 has removed an unsourced section about Stevens' personal life, a link to Stevens' web page (with the edit description of the link as being out of date), and most importantly, an apparently well sourced section that had been restored about the FBI probe. This last section needs close scrutiny before it is re-added. but if the sources do hold up, then IMHO it should remain, reguardless of the wishes of the article's subject. But I'm not a great judge of sourcing and BLP, so here I am asking for assistance in dealing with this situation. - TexasAndroid ( talk) 14:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a potentially defamatory statement in the article, sourced to John Edwards. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Philanthropy_and_political_donations The offending material was removed from the Erik Prince article by someone else, but it has since been reverted by another user.-- Davidwiz ( talk) 18:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Aqsa Parvez ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Blatant violations of privacy (of family, not of subject herself) added twice. Please watchlist and delete/oversight inappropriate edits if possible. Andjam ( talk) 05:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned about it if we really need to have this section. I don't see no relevance to the article, the section is cited with mostly no-reliable sources. I removed it but some user claims it should be included because "it has been since 2006"
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Orl Unho ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - There is no evidence that this person exists. The one "source" is a YouTube video. There is also a WikiQuote page with an unsourced quote. // ivan ( talk) 06:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Craig Cheffins ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) A student newspaper is being used as the sole source to spread a story about Cheffins conduct as a teacher (allegedly neglecting his teaching duties). Cheffins is notable as a politician, not a teacher, and I feel this is irrelevant, unencyclopedic, and poorly sourced. IMO, few student newspapers are reliable, particularly on matters of fellow students. -- Rob ( talk) 21:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to have been getting somewhat unbalanced after Siljander's indictment in January about his connection to fund-raising for an Islamic charitable organization that was also allegedly a front to raise money for terrorism. Some recent edits seem to be going out of the way to defend Siljander and make defamatory statements about the US Attorney responsible for the indictment, Bradley Schlozman. I'd appreciate some editors more adept at this to lend a hand. older ≠ wiser 02:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand your point and I am responsible for some of the edits. The original edits were done from articles based on statements later withdrawn.
Much stronger statements of prosecutorial misconduct could be made but not adequately supported. As acceptable sources are only statements from goverment prosecutors, even those facing investigations themselves, as in this case, Wikipedia is used as a tool of propaganda and improperly influencing the justice system.
This site: http://www.truthinjustice.org/p-pmisconduct.htm is a good indication of the type of things we are dealing with. Wikipedia is used, due to its popularity, as a way of "getting the word out", even if that word is unsupportable.
In this case, how can a former congressman be indicted for "terrorism" and still receive support from, not only the SG/UN but former Secretary of State Baker and Attorney General Ed Meese, all very conservative?
If you don't detect a serious smell, then perhaps Wikipedia is totally open to misuse as a form of propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpduf ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Should this article include full names and birthdates of "non-notable" family members?
I don't think so but there seems to be a general tendency to put every celebrity-related thing we can find into Wikipedia, whether or not it is significant.
I would appreciate both an answer to my specific question, and comments on the "general tendency" I sense. Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 21:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This disturbs me a little. The tone is too weird for Wikipedia, and it's been tagged as inappropriate for months. I'm too busy with other stuff to do a cleanup, but I would be grateful if somebody else could at least put it on his watchlist, if not clean it up right now. -- Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 05:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
There have been several recent edits with unsourced criticisms of blog founder John Aravosis at Americablog. With multiple editors posting negative information, and interspersed less POV edits, it is hard to see how far back to revert without losing possible good edits. See [1] , [2] , [3] , [4]. This article needs someone familiar with its subject and with Aravosis to straignten out whether he is a Republican or Democrat, let alone the other BLP issues. Edison ( talk) 19:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
A web site that provides property records in New Jersey has been used as a source to document residence of notables in a number of communities -- for Missy Elliott in Kinnelon, New Jersey and for John Madden in Montville, New Jersey -- which raises a few questions.
The first question is the validity of the source. Does the fact that there is someone named John madden who owns property in Montville satisfactorily demonstrate that this is the same person named in the article? For Missy Elliott, the circumstantial evidence is a bit stronger, with the name on the record matching her given name and the owner's address near her hometown in Virginia. Should this be used as a source on this basis?
The bigger question is the propriety of a source that provides an individual's home address, and not just their city of residence, which raises privacy concerns. While I am baffled as to why people who almost certainly have an unlisted number not doing anything to protect this information (say by using a corporation or trust to own the property), this information is in the public record. Is there a privacy issue with this information? Alansohn ( talk) 20:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Proxy User seems rather obsessed with somehow connecting a minor ex-Gilligan's Island actress with marijuana use, to the point of creating an entire section heading entitled "Marijuana incidents" and repeatedly reinserting uncorroborated, recanted claims. I have reverted to last good and protected; more eyes and a cluebat would be handy. FCYTravis ( talk) 03:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I recently overhauled the article for Don Murphy, and the work has been undone by at least two editors. One editor says in his edit summary, "Page reverted back to the Wikipedia and Don Murphy approved version." Can people who are more familiar with WP:BLP please review the article and see if the expansions I made are unacceptable? RTFA ( talk) 00:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The article on Daniel Pipes is dominated by two subjects: Pipes' views on various issues ("Views and positions" section) and other people's views on Pipes ("Praise, criticism and controversy" section). Both these sections comprise the bulk of the article, each of them easily outweighing the section with biographical information, so that right now the article is not biography, but a collection of quotes, either from Pipes or about Pipes. One section ("Campus Watch") is not even about Pipes, but about a certain project started by a think tank that Pipes runs. The article thus suffers from serious WP:COAT problems, which probably put it in violation of WP:BLP as well. The easiest solution would be to: 1. Cut sections "Views and positions" and "Praise, criticism and controversy" to only those views held by Pipes and comments about Pipes that clearly add to his notability. 2. Remove section on Campus Watch as irrelevant to Pipes' biography.
Beit Or 21:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I am trying to expand the article Don Murphy with verifiable information from reliable sources. This is my revision, and I was wondering if any interested editors experienced with WP:BLP would like to join discussion at Talk:Don Murphy to evaluate all aspects of my revision and determine how to best describe Don Murphy's personal life and professional career as significantly reported by published, third-party sources. RTFA ( talk) 17:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have proposed a topic ban to restrict RTFA from Don Murphy. Interested parties can comment here.-- Docg 22:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
ScienceApologist is engaging in blatant WP:BLP violations on Eric Lerner ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), starting with an attempt to make a controversial claim concerning him sourced only to a political attack website [6] [7] [8], and continuing with the use of original research for the purpose of criticizing Eric Lerner's work justified only by personal attacks against myself [9], both in violation of Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material. Though WP:BLP also requires strict adherence to WP:NPOV, ScienceApologist is also engaging in blatantly imbalanced editing by removing information concerning Eric Lerner's theories sourced to peer reviewed journals, including one published by the respected Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, while insisting that personal faculty webpages and blogs constitute good, reliable sources for criticism of Eric Lerner -- please see [10], which uses [11] and [12] as sources, as well as ScienceApologist's explanation of why blog posts are reliable sources, but peer reviewed journals published by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers aren't [13]. John254 21:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Testicular_cancer#Famous_survivors needs better sourcing, or else the entries should be removed. Corvus cornix talk 02:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page on Jordan Maxwell keeps getting reverted back to a highly biased version submitted by Cohan8 where Jordan is basically accused of being a fraud/charlatan.
Here are some quotes: [quote] Many view the way he conducts his research as pseudo professional and heavily based on the sale of his own products rather than the objectivity of the "research" itself. [/quote]
[quote] is a self proclaimed researcher and independent scholar in the fields of astrology, theology, religion, secret societies, the occult, and UFOlogy since 1959. He has produced numerous video lectures and documentaries on these subjects. [/quote]
Also, the article repeatedly puts "believes" in scare quotes so as to demean any claims he makes.
This kind of personal bias reflects poorly on Wikipedia as a reputable source for information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.30.88.83 ( talk) 02:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_jmaxwell.htm
Post-arbitration BLP article is under arbitration probation and full protection. Seeking independent review for a proposed job title update.
Currently the article calls Mr. Sanchez an embedded blogger. The proposed change would be embedded journalist, to be substaniated by a citation to the Weekly Standard. Five separate sources support the proposed change, also including humanevents.com and nationalreview.com.
No editor has produced a citation opposing the change, but the proposal has not received unambiguous support. Reelm objected when the first two citations were offered and has not commented after three more citations were supplied. A brand new account called Dale720240 showed up today and argued against a different warning that had not been proposed. An odd thing is that this is the account's only post [14] and the article talk page is semiprotected. Multiple sitebans have been implemented in connection with this article, so it is likely that a banned editor created that account and waited four days for the specific purpose of complaining.
Talk:Matt_Sanchez#Change_embedded_blogger_to_embedded_journalist
In compliance with the article probation I ask for an uninvolved editor to weigh the merits of this proposal. Yes, I'm posting this thread just to ask whether we can change one word blogger to journalist. Durova Charge! 19:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I have concerns about the amount of private information that contributors appearing to be trying to put into the article with dubious sourcing. In particularly, people appear to be trying to put her alleged real name in the article, despite the fact the only sourcing appears to be from employment records and IRS records and she has expressed a wish not to have it included. Also, her birthdate is include despite the OR used to derive it (see the footnote). Anyone else agree with me on this Nil Einne ( talk) 15:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The article on Randell Mills, the inventor of this theory, was merged into this article. Tom Stolper wrote a book on Mills, his SPA is currently on 1RR (see COI Noticeboard archive). His opponent Michael Busch has just left the project.
After a slow edit war, Tom Stolper has now begun to change only a few things at a time [15], enabling reasonable discussion. I am concerned about the plagiarism comment. The accusation seems credible, and the justification added by Stolper unconvincing. But our only source for the accusation in the first place is the blog of a physicist who avoids using the word. More blunt formulations can be found in forum posts, but that seems to be all.
I am inclined to remove the accusation, but that will probably be questioned. I'd appreciate it if someone could have a look. -- Hans Adler ( talk) 15:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Magdi Allam ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I'm involved in a dispute with a single purpose account over the article Magdi Allam. I know almost nothing about the subject of the article, but when I saw it, it seemed to me there were clear problems with it. Before this goes farther, I'd like to get some advice as to whether I'm reading the situation properly. Is this a clearly a POV article with unsourced contentious statements? Should I continue removing the unsourced statements, which the account has reinserted?
Thanks. -- Bwwm ( talk) 20:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John McCain presidential eligibility.
Two editors are trying to interject original research into articles relating to John McCain that he is inelligble to be president because he was not born in the United States. One of these editors User:2ndAmendment is new account (created March 19, 2008) and I suspect may be a WP:SOCK given their knowledge of WP policy and creation of this article after only 3 edits. The other editor User:Mr.grantevans2 has been trying to insert contentious material into the McCain primary article for some time. With the recent creation of this article, they appear to be performing original research to "prove" their case, and are using an unreliable (and McCain attack source) as a premise for their assertation that McCain does not qualify by this webpage's defintion of a natural born citizen. Discourse does not seem to be working at this time. Arzel ( talk) 19:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The constitution does not define "natural born Citizen". One definition, however, is "where only the natural act of one being born in a place determines the status of ones citizenship with no additional stipulations necessary to influence that status".[3] The definition put forth by Blackstone in 1765 is "Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England".[4]
Please will people with a sense of BLP issues take a look at this?
It concerns the article Rob Grill. There is discussion in Talk:Rob Grill about whether or not to include a particular news story in the article.
We requested a third opinion, which was to come to this page for an opinion. So we are here.
Thank you. Wanderer57 ( talk) 23:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I've cleaned up some questionable stuff from the article proper, but I'm unsure of the policy regarding talk pages. Can someone take a look and redact/excise anything that violates? Thanks. Exxolon ( talk) 02:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Im looking for Rated FA-Class or better examples of poets/writers but falling under BLP. One first class rate article for a poet I found is William Butler Yeats. But he is not living... Any BLPs? User:Wikidas 10:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, this should probably be on the talk page. But honestly, would you read it there?
I am trying to define and analyse the BLP problem. I've made a start at User:Doc_glasgow/The BLP problem. But I'd really like feedback from anyone with an interest. Thanks.-- Docg 19:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This article has been the subject of intense controversy recently and is currently fully protected following a spate of vandalism. The controversy has not abated and has every possibility of continuing for some time. It would be helpful if uninvolved editors could watchlist it to ensure that further vandalism is reverted promptly in the event of its protection being lowered (which will presumably happen at some point). -- ChrisO ( talk) 21:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Entire article has nearly no citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gh0570fchurch ( talk • contribs) 23:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
from current text: "Because the Vietnam War was raging in 1968, many people found that they had to have connections or influence in order to gain admission to the Reserves and thereby avoid serving in jungle warfare in Vietnam."
gratuitous and irrelevant with clear intent of malignant inference. delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clanranald ( talk • contribs) 02:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Laura Bozzo ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I need some help with the Laura Bozzo article, which I believe has been a longtime troll magnet. First off, I had to clean out some dubious info about Bozzo today, sourced with the site LatinGossip.com, practically a self-published blog site that makes no proof of its claims whatsoever. ON a similar note, another BLP page is using the site. I think LatinGossip.com should be blacklisted.
And now regarding the Laura Bozzo page. IP's are continuously vandalizing it so that it's slanted towards her controversial talk show career. Take this vandal for instance. It took about 2 weeks for removal of accurate content to be restored, by me in this instance. ( Here's the source documenting the claim about her "women's rights" activism/legal scholarship I restored). Things get worse as days go by. This right here is unacceptable because it fails to give proper sources to such claims. And this was the new lowlight I just had to remove on Saturday. I'm just raising concern over the Bozzo article so that administrators can help in keeping the integrity/accuracy of the article and deal with LatinGossip.com and other libel that may be added again to the Bozzo article, possibly even protect it. Thank you. -- Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 22:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
This is not a serious BLP issue, just a minor one, as the claims made are not really controversial, but a third party opinion would be good for resolving the dispute. The dispute is related to the current citizenship of Mr. Lotfi Zade. According to Mr Lotfi Zade himself: "I am the citizen of the United States. I was born in Baku, but I was not Soviet citizen, I was an Iranian citizen. In 1944 I came to the States as an immigrant, not as a student". This clearly means that this person is currently a US citizen and he used to be a citizen of Iran in the past. However according to User:07fan, Mr Lotfi Zade has at present the Iranian citizenship as well, but the aforementioned user fails to present any source to support this claim. While I do not consider this to be a serious issue, BLP rules require that any info about the living person needs to be properly sourced and be accurate. A third party opinion on this issue would be appreciated. Grandmaster ( talk) 06:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
There has been some debate on the Mark Trombino page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Trombino) about including a quote from a member of a band he worked with.
It is verifiable, but is not a particularly positive comment. I believe this is allowed by Wikipedia's policy on neutrality, which clearly allows for opinions if they are sourced and attributed (see specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements)
Can someone please confirm this, because a user takes the quote down, almost daily. I'm completely impartial here, I just found the quote to be very interesting! Mikenosilly ( talk) 00:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Gabrielle Giffords ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) A new user has repeatedly (>6 times) tried to add poorly-sourced OR that, among other things, alleges that the article subject's support of a certain bill shows that she has violated her Democratic values. All attempts to conform to policy and reach consensus have been met by continued reverts and personal attacks. It's a low-traffic article and I could use someone to give an outside opinion, help revert the offending content, and better-introduce the new user Bobheath ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). johnpseudo 01:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Two court cases have found the statements User:Cult Free World is making here libelous and defamatory.
The details are described here on the page's "Miscellany for Deletion" page. Thank you for reviewing the actual court case which is provided in the above post. Renee ( talk) 22:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please take care of another BLP violation, described here? It derogates the living guru of this meditation system by taking liberties with translating from non-English sources. The tone of this whole article is to make Sahaj Marg sound as strange as possible when in fact it is a meditation group that is not on any English language cult list and is considered by the United Nations to be a spiritual and humanitarian non-governmental organization. Thanks!! Marathi_Mulgaa ( talk) 17:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Sebastian Bleisch is a living person and shows up in Category:Child pornography with no other real people. Could someone check this our as far a appropriateness of the categories he is listed under. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 00:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Sylvia Bourdon is a living person and is listed under Category:Animal pornography, Her article has no reference ctations. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 00:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Same problem as above. How do living people become listed under Category:Animal pornography. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 00:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I am inclined to ask for speedy deletion in order to clear the history. Article could then be recreated with proper references. Is this right?
There is an open RfC as well. — BradV 00:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
(Note - this is reposted from BLP page.) Wanderer57 ( talk) 02:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm posting this here because, though the subject of the article is no longer alive, I believe his children are.
This diff has just been posted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Desi_Arnaz&diff=198326795&oldid=197729277
I don't have the reference material at hand tonight but I am 'assuming' for the moment that the information in the edit is true.
Question one - how does one decide if the episode described is 'important enough' to be included in the article?
Question two - should the information be left in or taken out of the article in the interim?
I would appreciate feedback on this. Wanderer57 ( talk) 02:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there a way to semi-protect or otherwise stop the inclusion of "Rep. Waters said she's going to cast her Superdelegate vote for Candidate A but Candidate B won in her district and that goes against the will of the voters."
This is irrelevant to Maxine Waters' biography and it misrepresents the Superdelegate process. The Wikipedia article on Superdelegates states, "All the superdelegates are free to support any candidate for the nomination." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.143.161 ( talk) 04:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Smart Ways ( talk) 19:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
This middle school teacher wrote this page about himself as a means of self promotion. If you go on his own website, you will find the exact same content. There are also no citations whatsoever on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astroidea ( talk • contribs) 07:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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Jon CourtneyThis biography page is more of an autobiography page, most of the references being taken from interviews with the subject Justpassinby ( talk) 20:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
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the material under controversy had been removed quite a while ago---despite the editor it keeps going back in--here was one of editors earlier comments
“ | Hi. I left you a note on your talk page, but to repeat, Wikipedia is not the place for this sort of thing. Please see Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Biographies of living people. We cannot accept submissions that involve criticism of living people's financial dealings that are not unimpeachably referenced to reliable sources. Your investigation would need to be published in such a source before we could repeat those claims here. Thank you for understanding. Jkelly 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC) Jkelly 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC) | ” |
Preceding paragraph reformatted to fit page. Cheers, Lindsay 16:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
comment removed:
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Moonriddengirl, you claim a. the allegations are unsubstantiated - this is false - the evidence is clearly supported and verfiable (campaign contributions are easily available via the NYState donor database, where the reporter first found them) - and are referenced on the reporter's blog. the article is not an editorial, it is a, I suppose a side issue a very controversial developer (Michael's brother, Bruce) and his tactics, which have raised red flags with a lot of newspapers and editorial boards in the areas where he operates. the basic facts of the article could be put back into the biography - they are easily verfiable: Michael Ratner and his wife live in Greenwhich village - (manhattan) but make campaign contributions to local politicians in Brooklyn (another borough) where his brother is involved in highly controversial development projects. Further since his wife runs "Democracy Now" - many activists and opponents feel this shield Bruce Ratner from further scrutiny 141.157.248.209 ( talk) 13:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Geoffrey Edelsten ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - an article about a medical practitioner who, among other things, served time for ordering an assault. An apparent single purpose account is trying to remove some negative material from the article - it could be the person in question. Some of the negative material cites material that might be more primary than third-party sources. Also, I'm concerned about the person's notability. Andjam ( talk) 11:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thomas Moorcroft – Article deleted at AfD – 02:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Thomas Moorcroft ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) ( TheHeartbreakKid15 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Thomas Moorcroft says he is an actor playing Regulus Black in the movie Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. He created this page about himself. I think it is very finely written with no nonsense or extraneous information (and it is also nicely sourced), but I don't know if he is notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. A number of the cast members in the Harry Potter movies do not have any articles for them (see List of Harry Potter cast members). Cunard ( talk) 00:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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Neve Gordon has won a libel action in an Israeli court, confirmed at appeal, against Steven Plaut. Since the appeal court ruling at the beginning of this month, there have been a dozen edits to the article, repeating the substance of the original libels, by confirmed or suspected sockpuppets of Borisyy. I have requested semi-protection of this page, in order to prevent libellous edits by sockpuppets, but this has been refused. Is there any other way to prevent such libellous vandalism and abuse? RolandR ( talk) 16:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Dorothy Tillman ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) unblock-en-l received a complaint about the content of this article, which does seem sketchy to my eyes. More eyes would be appreciated. Wily D 14:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Goli Ameri ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - User Mahmoudg, using his username and possibly at times when not logged in, is consistently adding negative-biased, unsubstantiated information to the Goli Ameri article // Mahmoudg ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) // Johndoe555 ( talk) 16:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Patrick Carnes, a BLP, is the only person under Category:Sexual addiction. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 01:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Peter Braunstein ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (added links. -- Coppertwig ( talk) 17:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
Peter Braunstein is a living person convicted of a sex offense. I am wondering if this article is adequately sourced for the statements made in it. Also, is it appropriate to have a "Trivia" section in BLP? Mattisse ( Talk) 14:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Cynthia Payne ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (added links. -- Coppertwig ( talk) 16:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
Cynthia Payne BLP article is unreferenced. She in in category:Sex worker and Category:People acquitted of sex crimes . She allegedly ran a brothel. Thanks, Mattisse ( Talk) 16:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Boris Berezovsky ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (adding links) --16:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
I'd guess Boris has seen this page before. He is very controversial for many reasons. My call is that the article is ok, using well documented sources, but there is a discussion going on now about BLP concerns. I don't think "compliant with BLP" is equivalent to "whitewash," but others might want to take a look and give their own reading to the situation. Smallbones ( talk) 18:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Plagiarism ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - User:Verklempt, in violation of WP:UNDUEWEIGHT, is tendentiously making edits to restore material on alleged plagiarism by Alan Dershowitz. Groupthink ( talk) 06:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Alberto Lugo is a living person. The article is unsourced. There is one external link to an informal article at a boxing website. Mattisse ( Talk) 14:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
DataTreasury ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (Adding links -- Coppertwig ( talk) 09:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC))
Some lobbying efforts on a patent reform law have turned nasty in connection with a company called DataTreasury and there are lots of accusations flying around about the history and current conduct of the officers of this company. Some of these accusations have found their way onto Wikipedia.
I think the article is currently OK, as I've removed the unsourced info and have toned down the sourced info in an effort to present both sides in a balanced way. However, there is an onging discussion on the talk page which might get problematic. Issues of COI have also arisen, but I think have been dealt with.
I don't get inolved in Bio issues often, and would appreciate a more experienced editor taking a look and making sure that the relevant guidelines are being complied with. Thanks. GDallimore ( Talk) 17:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (Adding links to article) -- Coppertwig ( talk) 09:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Regarding last month's prostitution scandal, the Daily Mail reported that the Duke was a patron of the Emperors Club VIP as Client No. 6. Several other sources also did a story on the allegations. However, the Daily Mail has since removed the article from its site, though I am not aware of a retraction notice having been printed. The Times revised its article to remove mention of the Duke, and many other papers' stories of the Duke's ties to the Emperors Club have been removed or edited down.
Is it acceptable to have those allegations in the article if the main sources have retracted them? Do we have a general rule about how to deal with sources that have been retracted after being cited? Dforest ( talk) 09:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm blocked but even so, check out the seal article - it's FULL of unsourced claims and quotes to individuals with no sources - one editor reverted back in a claim that he worked for prostitutes and was arrested for such in his zeal to prevent me doing a BLP clean-up! hello Mr. Lawsuit! Forget my edits, someone just take a read of the Personal life section. -- 87.112.86.10 ( talk) 20:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
This article was brought to my attention when someone requested protection of the page due to repeated removal of sourced content. I would guess that the user removing the content is either the subject themselves or someone who knows the subject, and is removing any reference to a car accident they caused, resulting in 2 deaths. Some of the edit summary reasons for removal were that the situation was "grossly misrepresented" and that the source was untrue, which is one of the issues that should probably be looked in to (I briefly looked at the source and deemed it to be reliable, or I would have removed the content myself, but a second opinion would be nice). It also appears there was a discussion on the talk page about undue weight being placed on the car accident section, and an editor had cut down the section to a reasonable size. During the recent course of mass reversion, the apparent older version was restored, which i reverted back to its pared-down version. I was immediately reverted and would like a second opinion as to which version is more appropriate. Thanks, VegaDark ( talk) 23:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
It has been claimed that a review of this book that states, in part, "...an exposition of the Frontiers of Ignorance and that within it systems were labelled 'irreducibly complex' if Behe was not able to envision a simpler system that still worked" constitutes a violation of BLP. What do you think?-- Filll ( talk) 15:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
This page is an archive. Do not edit the contents of this page. Please direct any additional comments to the current main page. |
See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 March 24. -- Ned Scott 06:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There has been heated discussion on the article of Geoffrey Edelsten.
The article has the following serious policy issues. WP:COAT - Coatrack, WP:LIBEL - Defamation, WP:BLP - Biographies of Living Persons, WP:NOT - What Wikipedia is Not, WP:HARM - Avoiding Harm.
Negative comments have been removed consistently and then added back by aggressive users. The administrator Doc glasgow has already deleted the comments in question but as mentioned, they continually come back by this selection of users.
Please block users who are performing vandalism and protect this article. It is probably best for deletion. -- Wikifactsright ( talk) 13:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The editor claiming to be Ben Stevens is back removing stuff from his article. Stephens is apparently a Alaska state politician under an FBI investigation. Previously I reported this here a month or so back, and the article was stubbed for careful rebuilding. This time User:Bostonb5 has removed an unsourced section about Stevens' personal life, a link to Stevens' web page (with the edit description of the link as being out of date), and most importantly, an apparently well sourced section that had been restored about the FBI probe. This last section needs close scrutiny before it is re-added. but if the sources do hold up, then IMHO it should remain, reguardless of the wishes of the article's subject. But I'm not a great judge of sourcing and BLP, so here I am asking for assistance in dealing with this situation. - TexasAndroid ( talk) 14:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a potentially defamatory statement in the article, sourced to John Edwards. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince#Philanthropy_and_political_donations The offending material was removed from the Erik Prince article by someone else, but it has since been reverted by another user.-- Davidwiz ( talk) 18:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Aqsa Parvez ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Blatant violations of privacy (of family, not of subject herself) added twice. Please watchlist and delete/oversight inappropriate edits if possible. Andjam ( talk) 05:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned about it if we really need to have this section. I don't see no relevance to the article, the section is cited with mostly no-reliable sources. I removed it but some user claims it should be included because "it has been since 2006"
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Orl Unho ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - There is no evidence that this person exists. The one "source" is a YouTube video. There is also a WikiQuote page with an unsourced quote. // ivan ( talk) 06:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Craig Cheffins ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) A student newspaper is being used as the sole source to spread a story about Cheffins conduct as a teacher (allegedly neglecting his teaching duties). Cheffins is notable as a politician, not a teacher, and I feel this is irrelevant, unencyclopedic, and poorly sourced. IMO, few student newspapers are reliable, particularly on matters of fellow students. -- Rob ( talk) 21:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to have been getting somewhat unbalanced after Siljander's indictment in January about his connection to fund-raising for an Islamic charitable organization that was also allegedly a front to raise money for terrorism. Some recent edits seem to be going out of the way to defend Siljander and make defamatory statements about the US Attorney responsible for the indictment, Bradley Schlozman. I'd appreciate some editors more adept at this to lend a hand. older ≠ wiser 02:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand your point and I am responsible for some of the edits. The original edits were done from articles based on statements later withdrawn.
Much stronger statements of prosecutorial misconduct could be made but not adequately supported. As acceptable sources are only statements from goverment prosecutors, even those facing investigations themselves, as in this case, Wikipedia is used as a tool of propaganda and improperly influencing the justice system.
This site: http://www.truthinjustice.org/p-pmisconduct.htm is a good indication of the type of things we are dealing with. Wikipedia is used, due to its popularity, as a way of "getting the word out", even if that word is unsupportable.
In this case, how can a former congressman be indicted for "terrorism" and still receive support from, not only the SG/UN but former Secretary of State Baker and Attorney General Ed Meese, all very conservative?
If you don't detect a serious smell, then perhaps Wikipedia is totally open to misuse as a form of propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpduf ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Should this article include full names and birthdates of "non-notable" family members?
I don't think so but there seems to be a general tendency to put every celebrity-related thing we can find into Wikipedia, whether or not it is significant.
I would appreciate both an answer to my specific question, and comments on the "general tendency" I sense. Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 21:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This disturbs me a little. The tone is too weird for Wikipedia, and it's been tagged as inappropriate for months. I'm too busy with other stuff to do a cleanup, but I would be grateful if somebody else could at least put it on his watchlist, if not clean it up right now. -- Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 05:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
There have been several recent edits with unsourced criticisms of blog founder John Aravosis at Americablog. With multiple editors posting negative information, and interspersed less POV edits, it is hard to see how far back to revert without losing possible good edits. See [1] , [2] , [3] , [4]. This article needs someone familiar with its subject and with Aravosis to straignten out whether he is a Republican or Democrat, let alone the other BLP issues. Edison ( talk) 19:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
A web site that provides property records in New Jersey has been used as a source to document residence of notables in a number of communities -- for Missy Elliott in Kinnelon, New Jersey and for John Madden in Montville, New Jersey -- which raises a few questions.
The first question is the validity of the source. Does the fact that there is someone named John madden who owns property in Montville satisfactorily demonstrate that this is the same person named in the article? For Missy Elliott, the circumstantial evidence is a bit stronger, with the name on the record matching her given name and the owner's address near her hometown in Virginia. Should this be used as a source on this basis?
The bigger question is the propriety of a source that provides an individual's home address, and not just their city of residence, which raises privacy concerns. While I am baffled as to why people who almost certainly have an unlisted number not doing anything to protect this information (say by using a corporation or trust to own the property), this information is in the public record. Is there a privacy issue with this information? Alansohn ( talk) 20:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Proxy User seems rather obsessed with somehow connecting a minor ex-Gilligan's Island actress with marijuana use, to the point of creating an entire section heading entitled "Marijuana incidents" and repeatedly reinserting uncorroborated, recanted claims. I have reverted to last good and protected; more eyes and a cluebat would be handy. FCYTravis ( talk) 03:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I recently overhauled the article for Don Murphy, and the work has been undone by at least two editors. One editor says in his edit summary, "Page reverted back to the Wikipedia and Don Murphy approved version." Can people who are more familiar with WP:BLP please review the article and see if the expansions I made are unacceptable? RTFA ( talk) 00:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The article on Daniel Pipes is dominated by two subjects: Pipes' views on various issues ("Views and positions" section) and other people's views on Pipes ("Praise, criticism and controversy" section). Both these sections comprise the bulk of the article, each of them easily outweighing the section with biographical information, so that right now the article is not biography, but a collection of quotes, either from Pipes or about Pipes. One section ("Campus Watch") is not even about Pipes, but about a certain project started by a think tank that Pipes runs. The article thus suffers from serious WP:COAT problems, which probably put it in violation of WP:BLP as well. The easiest solution would be to: 1. Cut sections "Views and positions" and "Praise, criticism and controversy" to only those views held by Pipes and comments about Pipes that clearly add to his notability. 2. Remove section on Campus Watch as irrelevant to Pipes' biography.
Beit Or 21:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I am trying to expand the article Don Murphy with verifiable information from reliable sources. This is my revision, and I was wondering if any interested editors experienced with WP:BLP would like to join discussion at Talk:Don Murphy to evaluate all aspects of my revision and determine how to best describe Don Murphy's personal life and professional career as significantly reported by published, third-party sources. RTFA ( talk) 17:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have proposed a topic ban to restrict RTFA from Don Murphy. Interested parties can comment here.-- Docg 22:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
ScienceApologist is engaging in blatant WP:BLP violations on Eric Lerner ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), starting with an attempt to make a controversial claim concerning him sourced only to a political attack website [6] [7] [8], and continuing with the use of original research for the purpose of criticizing Eric Lerner's work justified only by personal attacks against myself [9], both in violation of Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material. Though WP:BLP also requires strict adherence to WP:NPOV, ScienceApologist is also engaging in blatantly imbalanced editing by removing information concerning Eric Lerner's theories sourced to peer reviewed journals, including one published by the respected Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, while insisting that personal faculty webpages and blogs constitute good, reliable sources for criticism of Eric Lerner -- please see [10], which uses [11] and [12] as sources, as well as ScienceApologist's explanation of why blog posts are reliable sources, but peer reviewed journals published by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers aren't [13]. John254 21:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Testicular_cancer#Famous_survivors needs better sourcing, or else the entries should be removed. Corvus cornix talk 02:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page on Jordan Maxwell keeps getting reverted back to a highly biased version submitted by Cohan8 where Jordan is basically accused of being a fraud/charlatan.
Here are some quotes: [quote] Many view the way he conducts his research as pseudo professional and heavily based on the sale of his own products rather than the objectivity of the "research" itself. [/quote]
[quote] is a self proclaimed researcher and independent scholar in the fields of astrology, theology, religion, secret societies, the occult, and UFOlogy since 1959. He has produced numerous video lectures and documentaries on these subjects. [/quote]
Also, the article repeatedly puts "believes" in scare quotes so as to demean any claims he makes.
This kind of personal bias reflects poorly on Wikipedia as a reputable source for information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.30.88.83 ( talk) 02:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_jmaxwell.htm
Post-arbitration BLP article is under arbitration probation and full protection. Seeking independent review for a proposed job title update.
Currently the article calls Mr. Sanchez an embedded blogger. The proposed change would be embedded journalist, to be substaniated by a citation to the Weekly Standard. Five separate sources support the proposed change, also including humanevents.com and nationalreview.com.
No editor has produced a citation opposing the change, but the proposal has not received unambiguous support. Reelm objected when the first two citations were offered and has not commented after three more citations were supplied. A brand new account called Dale720240 showed up today and argued against a different warning that had not been proposed. An odd thing is that this is the account's only post [14] and the article talk page is semiprotected. Multiple sitebans have been implemented in connection with this article, so it is likely that a banned editor created that account and waited four days for the specific purpose of complaining.
Talk:Matt_Sanchez#Change_embedded_blogger_to_embedded_journalist
In compliance with the article probation I ask for an uninvolved editor to weigh the merits of this proposal. Yes, I'm posting this thread just to ask whether we can change one word blogger to journalist. Durova Charge! 19:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I have concerns about the amount of private information that contributors appearing to be trying to put into the article with dubious sourcing. In particularly, people appear to be trying to put her alleged real name in the article, despite the fact the only sourcing appears to be from employment records and IRS records and she has expressed a wish not to have it included. Also, her birthdate is include despite the OR used to derive it (see the footnote). Anyone else agree with me on this Nil Einne ( talk) 15:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The article on Randell Mills, the inventor of this theory, was merged into this article. Tom Stolper wrote a book on Mills, his SPA is currently on 1RR (see COI Noticeboard archive). His opponent Michael Busch has just left the project.
After a slow edit war, Tom Stolper has now begun to change only a few things at a time [15], enabling reasonable discussion. I am concerned about the plagiarism comment. The accusation seems credible, and the justification added by Stolper unconvincing. But our only source for the accusation in the first place is the blog of a physicist who avoids using the word. More blunt formulations can be found in forum posts, but that seems to be all.
I am inclined to remove the accusation, but that will probably be questioned. I'd appreciate it if someone could have a look. -- Hans Adler ( talk) 15:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Magdi Allam ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I'm involved in a dispute with a single purpose account over the article Magdi Allam. I know almost nothing about the subject of the article, but when I saw it, it seemed to me there were clear problems with it. Before this goes farther, I'd like to get some advice as to whether I'm reading the situation properly. Is this a clearly a POV article with unsourced contentious statements? Should I continue removing the unsourced statements, which the account has reinserted?
Thanks. -- Bwwm ( talk) 20:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John McCain presidential eligibility.
Two editors are trying to interject original research into articles relating to John McCain that he is inelligble to be president because he was not born in the United States. One of these editors User:2ndAmendment is new account (created March 19, 2008) and I suspect may be a WP:SOCK given their knowledge of WP policy and creation of this article after only 3 edits. The other editor User:Mr.grantevans2 has been trying to insert contentious material into the McCain primary article for some time. With the recent creation of this article, they appear to be performing original research to "prove" their case, and are using an unreliable (and McCain attack source) as a premise for their assertation that McCain does not qualify by this webpage's defintion of a natural born citizen. Discourse does not seem to be working at this time. Arzel ( talk) 19:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The constitution does not define "natural born Citizen". One definition, however, is "where only the natural act of one being born in a place determines the status of ones citizenship with no additional stipulations necessary to influence that status".[3] The definition put forth by Blackstone in 1765 is "Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England".[4]
Please will people with a sense of BLP issues take a look at this?
It concerns the article Rob Grill. There is discussion in Talk:Rob Grill about whether or not to include a particular news story in the article.
We requested a third opinion, which was to come to this page for an opinion. So we are here.
Thank you. Wanderer57 ( talk) 23:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I've cleaned up some questionable stuff from the article proper, but I'm unsure of the policy regarding talk pages. Can someone take a look and redact/excise anything that violates? Thanks. Exxolon ( talk) 02:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Im looking for Rated FA-Class or better examples of poets/writers but falling under BLP. One first class rate article for a poet I found is William Butler Yeats. But he is not living... Any BLPs? User:Wikidas 10:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, this should probably be on the talk page. But honestly, would you read it there?
I am trying to define and analyse the BLP problem. I've made a start at User:Doc_glasgow/The BLP problem. But I'd really like feedback from anyone with an interest. Thanks.-- Docg 19:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This article has been the subject of intense controversy recently and is currently fully protected following a spate of vandalism. The controversy has not abated and has every possibility of continuing for some time. It would be helpful if uninvolved editors could watchlist it to ensure that further vandalism is reverted promptly in the event of its protection being lowered (which will presumably happen at some point). -- ChrisO ( talk) 21:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Entire article has nearly no citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gh0570fchurch ( talk • contribs) 23:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
from current text: "Because the Vietnam War was raging in 1968, many people found that they had to have connections or influence in order to gain admission to the Reserves and thereby avoid serving in jungle warfare in Vietnam."
gratuitous and irrelevant with clear intent of malignant inference. delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clanranald ( talk • contribs) 02:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Laura Bozzo ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I need some help with the Laura Bozzo article, which I believe has been a longtime troll magnet. First off, I had to clean out some dubious info about Bozzo today, sourced with the site LatinGossip.com, practically a self-published blog site that makes no proof of its claims whatsoever. ON a similar note, another BLP page is using the site. I think LatinGossip.com should be blacklisted.
And now regarding the Laura Bozzo page. IP's are continuously vandalizing it so that it's slanted towards her controversial talk show career. Take this vandal for instance. It took about 2 weeks for removal of accurate content to be restored, by me in this instance. ( Here's the source documenting the claim about her "women's rights" activism/legal scholarship I restored). Things get worse as days go by. This right here is unacceptable because it fails to give proper sources to such claims. And this was the new lowlight I just had to remove on Saturday. I'm just raising concern over the Bozzo article so that administrators can help in keeping the integrity/accuracy of the article and deal with LatinGossip.com and other libel that may be added again to the Bozzo article, possibly even protect it. Thank you. -- Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 22:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
This is not a serious BLP issue, just a minor one, as the claims made are not really controversial, but a third party opinion would be good for resolving the dispute. The dispute is related to the current citizenship of Mr. Lotfi Zade. According to Mr Lotfi Zade himself: "I am the citizen of the United States. I was born in Baku, but I was not Soviet citizen, I was an Iranian citizen. In 1944 I came to the States as an immigrant, not as a student". This clearly means that this person is currently a US citizen and he used to be a citizen of Iran in the past. However according to User:07fan, Mr Lotfi Zade has at present the Iranian citizenship as well, but the aforementioned user fails to present any source to support this claim. While I do not consider this to be a serious issue, BLP rules require that any info about the living person needs to be properly sourced and be accurate. A third party opinion on this issue would be appreciated. Grandmaster ( talk) 06:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
There has been some debate on the Mark Trombino page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Trombino) about including a quote from a member of a band he worked with.
It is verifiable, but is not a particularly positive comment. I believe this is allowed by Wikipedia's policy on neutrality, which clearly allows for opinions if they are sourced and attributed (see specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements)
Can someone please confirm this, because a user takes the quote down, almost daily. I'm completely impartial here, I just found the quote to be very interesting! Mikenosilly ( talk) 00:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Gabrielle Giffords ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) A new user has repeatedly (>6 times) tried to add poorly-sourced OR that, among other things, alleges that the article subject's support of a certain bill shows that she has violated her Democratic values. All attempts to conform to policy and reach consensus have been met by continued reverts and personal attacks. It's a low-traffic article and I could use someone to give an outside opinion, help revert the offending content, and better-introduce the new user Bobheath ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). johnpseudo 01:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Two court cases have found the statements User:Cult Free World is making here libelous and defamatory.
The details are described here on the page's "Miscellany for Deletion" page. Thank you for reviewing the actual court case which is provided in the above post. Renee ( talk) 22:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please take care of another BLP violation, described here? It derogates the living guru of this meditation system by taking liberties with translating from non-English sources. The tone of this whole article is to make Sahaj Marg sound as strange as possible when in fact it is a meditation group that is not on any English language cult list and is considered by the United Nations to be a spiritual and humanitarian non-governmental organization. Thanks!! Marathi_Mulgaa ( talk) 17:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Sebastian Bleisch is a living person and shows up in Category:Child pornography with no other real people. Could someone check this our as far a appropriateness of the categories he is listed under. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 00:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Sylvia Bourdon is a living person and is listed under Category:Animal pornography, Her article has no reference ctations. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 00:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Same problem as above. How do living people become listed under Category:Animal pornography. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 00:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I am inclined to ask for speedy deletion in order to clear the history. Article could then be recreated with proper references. Is this right?
There is an open RfC as well. — BradV 00:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
(Note - this is reposted from BLP page.) Wanderer57 ( talk) 02:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm posting this here because, though the subject of the article is no longer alive, I believe his children are.
This diff has just been posted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Desi_Arnaz&diff=198326795&oldid=197729277
I don't have the reference material at hand tonight but I am 'assuming' for the moment that the information in the edit is true.
Question one - how does one decide if the episode described is 'important enough' to be included in the article?
Question two - should the information be left in or taken out of the article in the interim?
I would appreciate feedback on this. Wanderer57 ( talk) 02:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there a way to semi-protect or otherwise stop the inclusion of "Rep. Waters said she's going to cast her Superdelegate vote for Candidate A but Candidate B won in her district and that goes against the will of the voters."
This is irrelevant to Maxine Waters' biography and it misrepresents the Superdelegate process. The Wikipedia article on Superdelegates states, "All the superdelegates are free to support any candidate for the nomination." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.143.161 ( talk) 04:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Smart Ways ( talk) 19:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
This middle school teacher wrote this page about himself as a means of self promotion. If you go on his own website, you will find the exact same content. There are also no citations whatsoever on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astroidea ( talk • contribs) 07:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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Jon CourtneyThis biography page is more of an autobiography page, most of the references being taken from interviews with the subject Justpassinby ( talk) 20:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
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the material under controversy had been removed quite a while ago---despite the editor it keeps going back in--here was one of editors earlier comments
“ | Hi. I left you a note on your talk page, but to repeat, Wikipedia is not the place for this sort of thing. Please see Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Biographies of living people. We cannot accept submissions that involve criticism of living people's financial dealings that are not unimpeachably referenced to reliable sources. Your investigation would need to be published in such a source before we could repeat those claims here. Thank you for understanding. Jkelly 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC) Jkelly 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC) | ” |
Preceding paragraph reformatted to fit page. Cheers, Lindsay 16:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
comment removed:
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Moonriddengirl, you claim a. the allegations are unsubstantiated - this is false - the evidence is clearly supported and verfiable (campaign contributions are easily available via the NYState donor database, where the reporter first found them) - and are referenced on the reporter's blog. the article is not an editorial, it is a, I suppose a side issue a very controversial developer (Michael's brother, Bruce) and his tactics, which have raised red flags with a lot of newspapers and editorial boards in the areas where he operates. the basic facts of the article could be put back into the biography - they are easily verfiable: Michael Ratner and his wife live in Greenwhich village - (manhattan) but make campaign contributions to local politicians in Brooklyn (another borough) where his brother is involved in highly controversial development projects. Further since his wife runs "Democracy Now" - many activists and opponents feel this shield Bruce Ratner from further scrutiny 141.157.248.209 ( talk) 13:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Geoffrey Edelsten ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - an article about a medical practitioner who, among other things, served time for ordering an assault. An apparent single purpose account is trying to remove some negative material from the article - it could be the person in question. Some of the negative material cites material that might be more primary than third-party sources. Also, I'm concerned about the person's notability. Andjam ( talk) 11:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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Thomas Moorcroft ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) ( TheHeartbreakKid15 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Thomas Moorcroft says he is an actor playing Regulus Black in the movie Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. He created this page about himself. I think it is very finely written with no nonsense or extraneous information (and it is also nicely sourced), but I don't know if he is notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. A number of the cast members in the Harry Potter movies do not have any articles for them (see List of Harry Potter cast members). Cunard ( talk) 00:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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Neve Gordon has won a libel action in an Israeli court, confirmed at appeal, against Steven Plaut. Since the appeal court ruling at the beginning of this month, there have been a dozen edits to the article, repeating the substance of the original libels, by confirmed or suspected sockpuppets of Borisyy. I have requested semi-protection of this page, in order to prevent libellous edits by sockpuppets, but this has been refused. Is there any other way to prevent such libellous vandalism and abuse? RolandR ( talk) 16:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Dorothy Tillman ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) unblock-en-l received a complaint about the content of this article, which does seem sketchy to my eyes. More eyes would be appreciated. Wily D 14:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Goli Ameri ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - User Mahmoudg, using his username and possibly at times when not logged in, is consistently adding negative-biased, unsubstantiated information to the Goli Ameri article // Mahmoudg ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) // Johndoe555 ( talk) 16:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Patrick Carnes, a BLP, is the only person under Category:Sexual addiction. Thanks! Mattisse ( Talk) 01:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Peter Braunstein ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (added links. -- Coppertwig ( talk) 17:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
Peter Braunstein is a living person convicted of a sex offense. I am wondering if this article is adequately sourced for the statements made in it. Also, is it appropriate to have a "Trivia" section in BLP? Mattisse ( Talk) 14:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Cynthia Payne ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (added links. -- Coppertwig ( talk) 16:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
Cynthia Payne BLP article is unreferenced. She in in category:Sex worker and Category:People acquitted of sex crimes . She allegedly ran a brothel. Thanks, Mattisse ( Talk) 16:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Boris Berezovsky ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (adding links) --16:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
I'd guess Boris has seen this page before. He is very controversial for many reasons. My call is that the article is ok, using well documented sources, but there is a discussion going on now about BLP concerns. I don't think "compliant with BLP" is equivalent to "whitewash," but others might want to take a look and give their own reading to the situation. Smallbones ( talk) 18:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Plagiarism ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - User:Verklempt, in violation of WP:UNDUEWEIGHT, is tendentiously making edits to restore material on alleged plagiarism by Alan Dershowitz. Groupthink ( talk) 06:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Alberto Lugo is a living person. The article is unsourced. There is one external link to an informal article at a boxing website. Mattisse ( Talk) 14:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
DataTreasury ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (Adding links -- Coppertwig ( talk) 09:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC))
Some lobbying efforts on a patent reform law have turned nasty in connection with a company called DataTreasury and there are lots of accusations flying around about the history and current conduct of the officers of this company. Some of these accusations have found their way onto Wikipedia.
I think the article is currently OK, as I've removed the unsourced info and have toned down the sourced info in an effort to present both sides in a balanced way. However, there is an onging discussion on the talk page which might get problematic. Issues of COI have also arisen, but I think have been dealt with.
I don't get inolved in Bio issues often, and would appreciate a more experienced editor taking a look and making sure that the relevant guidelines are being complied with. Thanks. GDallimore ( Talk) 17:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (Adding links to article) -- Coppertwig ( talk) 09:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Regarding last month's prostitution scandal, the Daily Mail reported that the Duke was a patron of the Emperors Club VIP as Client No. 6. Several other sources also did a story on the allegations. However, the Daily Mail has since removed the article from its site, though I am not aware of a retraction notice having been printed. The Times revised its article to remove mention of the Duke, and many other papers' stories of the Duke's ties to the Emperors Club have been removed or edited down.
Is it acceptable to have those allegations in the article if the main sources have retracted them? Do we have a general rule about how to deal with sources that have been retracted after being cited? Dforest ( talk) 09:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm blocked but even so, check out the seal article - it's FULL of unsourced claims and quotes to individuals with no sources - one editor reverted back in a claim that he worked for prostitutes and was arrested for such in his zeal to prevent me doing a BLP clean-up! hello Mr. Lawsuit! Forget my edits, someone just take a read of the Personal life section. -- 87.112.86.10 ( talk) 20:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
This article was brought to my attention when someone requested protection of the page due to repeated removal of sourced content. I would guess that the user removing the content is either the subject themselves or someone who knows the subject, and is removing any reference to a car accident they caused, resulting in 2 deaths. Some of the edit summary reasons for removal were that the situation was "grossly misrepresented" and that the source was untrue, which is one of the issues that should probably be looked in to (I briefly looked at the source and deemed it to be reliable, or I would have removed the content myself, but a second opinion would be nice). It also appears there was a discussion on the talk page about undue weight being placed on the car accident section, and an editor had cut down the section to a reasonable size. During the recent course of mass reversion, the apparent older version was restored, which i reverted back to its pared-down version. I was immediately reverted and would like a second opinion as to which version is more appropriate. Thanks, VegaDark ( talk) 23:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
It has been claimed that a review of this book that states, in part, "...an exposition of the Frontiers of Ignorance and that within it systems were labelled 'irreducibly complex' if Behe was not able to envision a simpler system that still worked" constitutes a violation of BLP. What do you think?-- Filll ( talk) 15:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)