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And "fun" is definitely in air quotes. I was just about to raise the other thing about the GMORFC language when this new problem erupted, and I've now decided to wait a few more days for the ruckus to calm down. I think it would be a mistake for me to open anything new about GMOs when this is open. (There would just be all kinds of off-topic yelling.) I figured I should keep you posted.
While I'm at it, I'd like to make a suggestion about the glyphosate page. As I reconstruct what happened, someone made some probably flawed but good-faith edits (as opposed to, for example, vandalism), and you reverted it, and then others reverted you, and that's how things turned bad. For a while, could you perhaps not revert anything other than vandalism, just as a way to lower the temperature? If it's good-faith but bad (maybe fails MEDRS or ONUS), just put an inline tag on it and then open a new talk page section where you say that you think that some recent edits (showing diffs) were a bad idea and should be reverted. It's not that you are wrong to revert. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that it's absolutely predictable that someone else is going to revert you, which under 1RR means your revert won't stick anyway, so it's a waste of time and just provides an opening for another conflict.
And here's the real reason that I'm raising this. I'd like to, frankly, engineer a period of time when all of the "good guy" editors (quote unquote) are together refraining from reverting stuff, and instead taking it to talk. That's because we are, I think, heading into what will in effect be GMO Conflict II. Conflict I was over the safety of eating GM foods, and Conflict II is over the possible carcinogenicity of glyphosate. The present AE won't be the last of it, unfortunately. So I want to think a couple of chess moves ahead. And I think the best chess move is to have something where only one "side" is doing all of the reverting. Again, I'm not saying that your revert was wrong. I'm talking instead about a wiki-strategy. OK? -- Tryptofish ( talk) 19:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the Monsanto article. Hopefully you'll see what I mean: You cannot claim neutrality and not show one side of the argument. In Argentina, this is a very important topic, as most of the country's land is used to produce soy beens. Argentina is also one of Monsanto's biggest clients. In the country there are two sides for this argument and you have to show them both. This is for the sake of neturality, and it's true either we agree with them or not. Regarding the scientific point of view, I haven't stated anything about it in the article. And frankly I don't believe you can't make the whole side disappear with that excuse, because what they claim is that Monsanto funds studies that say what they want them to say. Either or not this is true is of course imposible to state objectively, but please, do remember, that for a long period of time, tabacco companies were able to present studies that show that lung cancer wasn't related to their products. So, it is possible. But there are also studies that back up their claims https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/14/health/us-glyphosate-cancer-study-scli-intl/index.html Also, please remember, that Monsanto has already lost a cancer trial in the US. https://earther.gizmodo.com/monsanto-loses-another-roundup-cancer-trial-with-jury-1834737903 Hopefully you'll agree that in order to make a more neutral article, you always need to show both sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablo Calfucura ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for that. While I can't be arsed to do any similar digging myself, it's nice that someone did, hopefully arbs will read it. I wrote a short opinion once, and it hasn't changed much. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Not a big deal but you deleted "beneficial" from pyrethroid in the belief, I think that gadflies/horseflies don't have that property. However, as I said on the Talk page of the article earlier today in reply to an IP post, they are beneficial as pollinators. The evidence for that is in the source at "Introduction section of Morita et al". in the horse-fly article. I think the word "beneficial" needs to be in the lead of the pyrethroid article otherwise it doesn't really make sense to mention the ones in the list: after all pyrethroids are intended to kill insects! Mike Turnbull ( talk) 18:24, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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I keep noticing how you cite WP:BURDEN during talk page discussions. I'd like to make a friendly suggestion that you review what BURDEN is actually about: providing inline citations to demonstrate verifiability. That's not the same thing as demonstrating a rationale that inclusion of a topic is appropriate for a page, or even demonstrating a rationale for a particular edit. Of course, I understand what you mean: that someone who wants to make an edit in the face of the lack of consensus for that edit ought to be able to explain why they think the edit is justified. However, I hope you don't leave yourself open to criticism that you are incorrectly citing BURDEN to mean something that it doesn't, and that you are doing so to gain the upper hand in a dispute. It's easy to avoid that risk, just by using the lower-case word "burden" to say what you mean, instead of citing the WP: blue link. You can also cite WP:BRD, and say that, after a revert, there is a burden to discuss and to justify reversing the revert. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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I hope that you just jumped in and made some mistakes based upon quick assumptions of the situation. I hope you'll follow up with an apology and some redaction. I'm happy to redact anything I've written that cannot be clearly supported. -- Hipal ( talk) 03:46, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I hope you'll follow up with an apology and some redaction.Hipal, I'll admit that kind of comment is concerning. When someone is acting disruptively on the topic like you were while lashing out at additional editors demanding an apology when your behavior is called out as such, that's a hallmark of WP:TENDENTIOUS that discretionary sanctions are in place to address if it continues. I suggest cutting out the battleground behavior you were displaying there. You were the one escalating the situation there and others like myself should not have to step in to try to cut through it.
None of the sources verify the information to start. That's OR.and would never go into specific details. Instead, you engaged in WP:IDHT behavior with comments like
While I may be missing something, no one has even attempted to point out what that may be.Your talk page comments at the time were ignoring what was in the actual edits like that quite a few times or not addressing what your concrete concerns were, so it should come as no surprise that outside editors were noticing your behavior.
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Hi KoA. I hope you don't mind my reaching out to you here on your talk page again. I'm very concerned about all your interactions with me, and I'm hoping we can find a way to work collaboratively. Perhaps a moderated discussion would help, but I'd certainly consider any suggestions you have to offer. Thank you for considering it at least. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello KoA. I just was wondering why you took away my question on the ivermectin article pertaining to the mentioning of it currently being prescribed for covid-19. Is there another place where this question should go? Boringname76 ( talk) 06:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hey fellow doc, I removed the lengthy section about rBST as it was not related to genetic modification and therefore fell outside the purview of the article. Or am I sorely mistaken and feeding rBST to cattle is fine so long as the origin is not from GM bacteria? Of 19 ( talk) 19:02, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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It is courtesy to inform other editors when you discuss them, especially when you attack them as you did here. FYI I am not an advocate for or against GMO. While the industry however has engaged in disinformation in the past, similar to the tobacco and fossil fuel industries, a lot of the opposition to GMO is conspiracism. It's very important to keep bias out of these articles.
I appreciate your considerable knowledge of the subject and do not mean disrespect if i disagree with you.
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I saw that you took down my edit about BGH down, what about my source and edit was not credible enough? What can I do to research further so that I can keep that edit up? Should I come up with 2 or more sources saying the same thing? Any feedback would be so helpful in learning how to edit. SweetPo65 ( talk) 01:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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Just a note to say I find your repeated immediate re-adding of disputed text, especially to the article lead, on the extremely weak grounds of "long-standing text" (i.e. it had been overlooked, or there were few editors interested...) very close to being actually disruptive, especially given that a discussion was in progress, that you had already been reverted, and that you certainly knew that what you were doing was disputed. I've actually had enough of the matter and would rather get on with more constructive activities, so I will leave the text alone for now, but I'm letting you know for the record that I find your behaviour far below what is normally considered acceptable. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 20:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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@ KoA: I'm not sure why this is even up for debate (wasn't expecting a revert!), but the word "corn" in the present day in the UK refers to sweetcorn/maize. Go into any shop and you will see sweetcorn/corn on the cob for sale; while the term "maize" is used too (e.g. in "maize maze" puns), it's not as frequently. The main error that needs fixing is the reference to wheat, which I have never in my life in the UK heard being called "corn". Are you British? Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 20:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
As a general term the word corn includes all the cereals, wheat, rye, barley, oats, maize, rice, etc.and
Locally, the word, when not otherwise qualified, is often understood to denote that kind of cereal which is the leading crop of the district; hence in the greater part of England corn equals wheat, in North Britain and Ireland equals oats; in the United States the word, as short for Indian corn, is restricted to maize.Other sources have various iterations on that, so that's just what's reflected in the article because common misconceptions about the subject quickly lead into WP:OR territory. We basically try to stick to what sources directly have to say about names for that reason. KoA ( talk) 14:35, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi- per closed discussion at List of plant scientists, both the pathologist & scientist lists are to be merged into List of botanists. Sorry for the confusion. Regards, JoeNMLC ( talk) 16:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Do you have any comments on it? LittleJerry ( talk) 22:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
I requested a third opinion on the names section dispute, see Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements. Megalogastor ( talk) 23:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Please feel free to delete this comment if you believe it inappropriately detracts from the issues you raised. Alternatively, I will delete it myself if you want. I just didn't want the immediately previous comment to hang there without a response from someone uninvolved with editing that page. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 14:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Hey KoA, other editors have pointed out that you are an expert on the subject of Glyphosate and you seem to have confirmed it. Could I ask you to clarify your expertise and affiliations? Thanks {{u| Gtoffoletto}} talk 18:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
At this point I will ask you to please leave my talk page), and then come to that same editor's Talk page to deliver a message that could easily be interpreted as bad faith interrogation. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 22:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I just think that more transparency is appropriate here.More transparency than what KoA presents on their user page?! That detailed information is somehow insufficient for you? At this point KoA would be doing you a great service by hatting or deleting this entire section. One administrator has already commented here, and the longer it remains open the more likely your behavior here (and here, and here) will attract additional administrator attention. Such attention might not end well for you. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 14:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I would appreciate some guidanceYou have already received such guidance from "experienced users," Gtoffoletto. You seem either unable or unwilling to take that guidance on board, and you are now tripling down on implied bias against another editor, under the false claim that
transparency is needed, in an apparent attempt to gain advantage in content disputes. When combined with your other, disruptive behaviors in article space as described above by KoA ( WP:IDHT, WP:TENDENTIOUS, WP:BLUDGEONING here and here), to say nothing of your past challenges with those same behaviors, it creates the impression that an additional topic/pages ban for you is needed. I believe you are fortunate that no such sanction has, as yet, been requested or imposed. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 19:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm growing Cordyline fruticosa in a container, and we have lots of spiders in my area. I've noticed that the plant does better when the spiders take up residence. This led me to find this recent article (" Using spiders as environmentally-friendly pest control") from February. Since you have a stated interest in biological pest control, I'm curious if you think this research will pan out and farmers might start using spiders to fight pests. Viriditas ( talk) 22:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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Block seems to be mistaken as talk page discussion had been ongoing already with multiple intervening edits as discussion went on as editors were discussing how to stubify the article or modify content, which is where the multiple diffs come in to a degree. The block was also premature since I hadn't planned to edit the article directly for a bit if anything new came up on talk after the recent edit (which it did), but because of the full block, I can't even use the talk page. This was not WP:PREVENTATIVE. The only recent edit on my part was yesterday's edit the clearly mentioned the talk page where it was explained the change was directly was sourced [12] (there had been confusion about this earlier). This most recent edit was responding to a now-blocked SPA who was trying to remove sourced content as "ridiculous" and would not respond on the talk page. [13]. If you look at the talk page at the time of my edit, no one had taken issue with my update/clarification for some time, so it looked like we had things clarified at the time.
That's part the problem I've been slowly trying to work out on the talk page for awhile now too with the SPAs and IPs often coming in pretty charged POV language and not really contributing to content discussion. Blocking someone trying to hold back that kind of edit warring isn't helpful. When it comes to those really participating on the talk page, no issues had been brought up with the most recent directly sourced edit I made above, so that's why the edit had been recently restored only in response to non-constructive accounts/IPs not really engaging. Had there have been any comment (or even a revert) from those on the talk directly addressing that why that single line should not be included focusing on sources, I definitely would not have been restoring the edit again, and I was planning to work on the talk page to craft something new if needed as I repeatedly stated in edit summaries and talk.
The other problem here is that the blocking admin Leyo is
WP:INVOLVED in interactions with me. I've had to caution Leyo about their behavior issues building over some years when they have been attacking me and edit warring in DS/CT topics. I specifically had to warn them about casting
WP:ASPERSIONS in the GMO topic
here and
here as well as for the 1RR restrictions. I had to caution them specifically about the GMO restrictions again just a
couple months ago yet again because Leyo was promoting a
WP:FRINGE organization (denial of scientific consensus on GMOs) as reliable in
this discussion where they were lashing out at me. A lot of that has focused on GMO-related content disputes
like this too, so I'm worried that this pursuit is escalating into other agriculture related topics. They also made similar article talk comments You have a well-known history of man-on-a-mission edits. Your actions are not the consensus.
[14] where another admin
Smartse (though involved in the topic) had to caution Leyo about their pursuit of me.
[15] That all started back in 2016 when they were taking to article talk to accuse me of having an agenda.
[16] I've felt they haven't taken cautions I've given them seriously, but I never expected them to go this far and use admin tools as part of that interaction.
Given the sniping and issues from Leyo I've been trying to deal with, they should not be following me around while acting in an admin capacity in those interactions, especially since they've been engaging in personal attacks in that interaction mentioned above. KoA ( talk) 15:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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I agree with SmartSE. I've been looking at your edits and note the gap between the last post discusssisng this on the talk page (yours) and your revert over 2 days later. I don't see edit warring in the diffs provided - and I hadn't seen the interactions with Leyo. Doug Weller talk 16:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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And "fun" is definitely in air quotes. I was just about to raise the other thing about the GMORFC language when this new problem erupted, and I've now decided to wait a few more days for the ruckus to calm down. I think it would be a mistake for me to open anything new about GMOs when this is open. (There would just be all kinds of off-topic yelling.) I figured I should keep you posted.
While I'm at it, I'd like to make a suggestion about the glyphosate page. As I reconstruct what happened, someone made some probably flawed but good-faith edits (as opposed to, for example, vandalism), and you reverted it, and then others reverted you, and that's how things turned bad. For a while, could you perhaps not revert anything other than vandalism, just as a way to lower the temperature? If it's good-faith but bad (maybe fails MEDRS or ONUS), just put an inline tag on it and then open a new talk page section where you say that you think that some recent edits (showing diffs) were a bad idea and should be reverted. It's not that you are wrong to revert. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that it's absolutely predictable that someone else is going to revert you, which under 1RR means your revert won't stick anyway, so it's a waste of time and just provides an opening for another conflict.
And here's the real reason that I'm raising this. I'd like to, frankly, engineer a period of time when all of the "good guy" editors (quote unquote) are together refraining from reverting stuff, and instead taking it to talk. That's because we are, I think, heading into what will in effect be GMO Conflict II. Conflict I was over the safety of eating GM foods, and Conflict II is over the possible carcinogenicity of glyphosate. The present AE won't be the last of it, unfortunately. So I want to think a couple of chess moves ahead. And I think the best chess move is to have something where only one "side" is doing all of the reverting. Again, I'm not saying that your revert was wrong. I'm talking instead about a wiki-strategy. OK? -- Tryptofish ( talk) 19:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the Monsanto article. Hopefully you'll see what I mean: You cannot claim neutrality and not show one side of the argument. In Argentina, this is a very important topic, as most of the country's land is used to produce soy beens. Argentina is also one of Monsanto's biggest clients. In the country there are two sides for this argument and you have to show them both. This is for the sake of neturality, and it's true either we agree with them or not. Regarding the scientific point of view, I haven't stated anything about it in the article. And frankly I don't believe you can't make the whole side disappear with that excuse, because what they claim is that Monsanto funds studies that say what they want them to say. Either or not this is true is of course imposible to state objectively, but please, do remember, that for a long period of time, tabacco companies were able to present studies that show that lung cancer wasn't related to their products. So, it is possible. But there are also studies that back up their claims https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/14/health/us-glyphosate-cancer-study-scli-intl/index.html Also, please remember, that Monsanto has already lost a cancer trial in the US. https://earther.gizmodo.com/monsanto-loses-another-roundup-cancer-trial-with-jury-1834737903 Hopefully you'll agree that in order to make a more neutral article, you always need to show both sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablo Calfucura ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for that. While I can't be arsed to do any similar digging myself, it's nice that someone did, hopefully arbs will read it. I wrote a short opinion once, and it hasn't changed much. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Kingofaces43
Not a big deal but you deleted "beneficial" from pyrethroid in the belief, I think that gadflies/horseflies don't have that property. However, as I said on the Talk page of the article earlier today in reply to an IP post, they are beneficial as pollinators. The evidence for that is in the source at "Introduction section of Morita et al". in the horse-fly article. I think the word "beneficial" needs to be in the lead of the pyrethroid article otherwise it doesn't really make sense to mention the ones in the list: after all pyrethroids are intended to kill insects! Mike Turnbull ( talk) 18:24, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Now, I have no excuse for ever typing your username wrong! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 21:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
An RfC at Talk:Race and intelligence revisits the question, considered last year at WP:FTN, of whether or not the theory that a genetic link exists between race and intelligence is a fringe theory. This RfC supercedes the recent RfC on this topic at WP:RSN that was closed as improperly formulated.
Your participation is welcome. Thank you. NightHeron ( talk) 22:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. -- rchard2scout ( talk) 09:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I keep noticing how you cite WP:BURDEN during talk page discussions. I'd like to make a friendly suggestion that you review what BURDEN is actually about: providing inline citations to demonstrate verifiability. That's not the same thing as demonstrating a rationale that inclusion of a topic is appropriate for a page, or even demonstrating a rationale for a particular edit. Of course, I understand what you mean: that someone who wants to make an edit in the face of the lack of consensus for that edit ought to be able to explain why they think the edit is justified. However, I hope you don't leave yourself open to criticism that you are incorrectly citing BURDEN to mean something that it doesn't, and that you are doing so to gain the upper hand in a dispute. It's easy to avoid that risk, just by using the lower-case word "burden" to say what you mean, instead of citing the WP: blue link. You can also cite WP:BRD, and say that, after a revert, there is a burden to discuss and to justify reversing the revert. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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I hope that you just jumped in and made some mistakes based upon quick assumptions of the situation. I hope you'll follow up with an apology and some redaction. I'm happy to redact anything I've written that cannot be clearly supported. -- Hipal ( talk) 03:46, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I hope you'll follow up with an apology and some redaction.Hipal, I'll admit that kind of comment is concerning. When someone is acting disruptively on the topic like you were while lashing out at additional editors demanding an apology when your behavior is called out as such, that's a hallmark of WP:TENDENTIOUS that discretionary sanctions are in place to address if it continues. I suggest cutting out the battleground behavior you were displaying there. You were the one escalating the situation there and others like myself should not have to step in to try to cut through it.
None of the sources verify the information to start. That's OR.and would never go into specific details. Instead, you engaged in WP:IDHT behavior with comments like
While I may be missing something, no one has even attempted to point out what that may be.Your talk page comments at the time were ignoring what was in the actual edits like that quite a few times or not addressing what your concrete concerns were, so it should come as no surprise that outside editors were noticing your behavior.
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Hi KoA. I hope you don't mind my reaching out to you here on your talk page again. I'm very concerned about all your interactions with me, and I'm hoping we can find a way to work collaboratively. Perhaps a moderated discussion would help, but I'd certainly consider any suggestions you have to offer. Thank you for considering it at least. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello KoA. I just was wondering why you took away my question on the ivermectin article pertaining to the mentioning of it currently being prescribed for covid-19. Is there another place where this question should go? Boringname76 ( talk) 06:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Doug Weller talk 14:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey fellow doc, I removed the lengthy section about rBST as it was not related to genetic modification and therefore fell outside the purview of the article. Or am I sorely mistaken and feeding rBST to cattle is fine so long as the origin is not from GM bacteria? Of 19 ( talk) 19:02, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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It is courtesy to inform other editors when you discuss them, especially when you attack them as you did here. FYI I am not an advocate for or against GMO. While the industry however has engaged in disinformation in the past, similar to the tobacco and fossil fuel industries, a lot of the opposition to GMO is conspiracism. It's very important to keep bias out of these articles.
I appreciate your considerable knowledge of the subject and do not mean disrespect if i disagree with you.
TFD ( talk) 19:42, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
I saw that you took down my edit about BGH down, what about my source and edit was not credible enough? What can I do to research further so that I can keep that edit up? Should I come up with 2 or more sources saying the same thing? Any feedback would be so helpful in learning how to edit. SweetPo65 ( talk) 01:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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Just a note to say I find your repeated immediate re-adding of disputed text, especially to the article lead, on the extremely weak grounds of "long-standing text" (i.e. it had been overlooked, or there were few editors interested...) very close to being actually disruptive, especially given that a discussion was in progress, that you had already been reverted, and that you certainly knew that what you were doing was disputed. I've actually had enough of the matter and would rather get on with more constructive activities, so I will leave the text alone for now, but I'm letting you know for the record that I find your behaviour far below what is normally considered acceptable. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 20:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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@ KoA: I'm not sure why this is even up for debate (wasn't expecting a revert!), but the word "corn" in the present day in the UK refers to sweetcorn/maize. Go into any shop and you will see sweetcorn/corn on the cob for sale; while the term "maize" is used too (e.g. in "maize maze" puns), it's not as frequently. The main error that needs fixing is the reference to wheat, which I have never in my life in the UK heard being called "corn". Are you British? Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 20:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
As a general term the word corn includes all the cereals, wheat, rye, barley, oats, maize, rice, etc.and
Locally, the word, when not otherwise qualified, is often understood to denote that kind of cereal which is the leading crop of the district; hence in the greater part of England corn equals wheat, in North Britain and Ireland equals oats; in the United States the word, as short for Indian corn, is restricted to maize.Other sources have various iterations on that, so that's just what's reflected in the article because common misconceptions about the subject quickly lead into WP:OR territory. We basically try to stick to what sources directly have to say about names for that reason. KoA ( talk) 14:35, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi- per closed discussion at List of plant scientists, both the pathologist & scientist lists are to be merged into List of botanists. Sorry for the confusion. Regards, JoeNMLC ( talk) 16:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Do you have any comments on it? LittleJerry ( talk) 22:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
I requested a third opinion on the names section dispute, see Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements. Megalogastor ( talk) 23:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Please feel free to delete this comment if you believe it inappropriately detracts from the issues you raised. Alternatively, I will delete it myself if you want. I just didn't want the immediately previous comment to hang there without a response from someone uninvolved with editing that page. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 14:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Hey KoA, other editors have pointed out that you are an expert on the subject of Glyphosate and you seem to have confirmed it. Could I ask you to clarify your expertise and affiliations? Thanks {{u| Gtoffoletto}} talk 18:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
At this point I will ask you to please leave my talk page), and then come to that same editor's Talk page to deliver a message that could easily be interpreted as bad faith interrogation. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 22:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I just think that more transparency is appropriate here.More transparency than what KoA presents on their user page?! That detailed information is somehow insufficient for you? At this point KoA would be doing you a great service by hatting or deleting this entire section. One administrator has already commented here, and the longer it remains open the more likely your behavior here (and here, and here) will attract additional administrator attention. Such attention might not end well for you. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 14:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I would appreciate some guidanceYou have already received such guidance from "experienced users," Gtoffoletto. You seem either unable or unwilling to take that guidance on board, and you are now tripling down on implied bias against another editor, under the false claim that
transparency is needed, in an apparent attempt to gain advantage in content disputes. When combined with your other, disruptive behaviors in article space as described above by KoA ( WP:IDHT, WP:TENDENTIOUS, WP:BLUDGEONING here and here), to say nothing of your past challenges with those same behaviors, it creates the impression that an additional topic/pages ban for you is needed. I believe you are fortunate that no such sanction has, as yet, been requested or imposed. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 19:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm growing Cordyline fruticosa in a container, and we have lots of spiders in my area. I've noticed that the plant does better when the spiders take up residence. This led me to find this recent article (" Using spiders as environmentally-friendly pest control") from February. Since you have a stated interest in biological pest control, I'm curious if you think this research will pan out and farmers might start using spiders to fight pests. Viriditas ( talk) 22:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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Block seems to be mistaken as talk page discussion had been ongoing already with multiple intervening edits as discussion went on as editors were discussing how to stubify the article or modify content, which is where the multiple diffs come in to a degree. The block was also premature since I hadn't planned to edit the article directly for a bit if anything new came up on talk after the recent edit (which it did), but because of the full block, I can't even use the talk page. This was not WP:PREVENTATIVE. The only recent edit on my part was yesterday's edit the clearly mentioned the talk page where it was explained the change was directly was sourced [12] (there had been confusion about this earlier). This most recent edit was responding to a now-blocked SPA who was trying to remove sourced content as "ridiculous" and would not respond on the talk page. [13]. If you look at the talk page at the time of my edit, no one had taken issue with my update/clarification for some time, so it looked like we had things clarified at the time.
That's part the problem I've been slowly trying to work out on the talk page for awhile now too with the SPAs and IPs often coming in pretty charged POV language and not really contributing to content discussion. Blocking someone trying to hold back that kind of edit warring isn't helpful. When it comes to those really participating on the talk page, no issues had been brought up with the most recent directly sourced edit I made above, so that's why the edit had been recently restored only in response to non-constructive accounts/IPs not really engaging. Had there have been any comment (or even a revert) from those on the talk directly addressing that why that single line should not be included focusing on sources, I definitely would not have been restoring the edit again, and I was planning to work on the talk page to craft something new if needed as I repeatedly stated in edit summaries and talk.
The other problem here is that the blocking admin Leyo is
WP:INVOLVED in interactions with me. I've had to caution Leyo about their behavior issues building over some years when they have been attacking me and edit warring in DS/CT topics. I specifically had to warn them about casting
WP:ASPERSIONS in the GMO topic
here and
here as well as for the 1RR restrictions. I had to caution them specifically about the GMO restrictions again just a
couple months ago yet again because Leyo was promoting a
WP:FRINGE organization (denial of scientific consensus on GMOs) as reliable in
this discussion where they were lashing out at me. A lot of that has focused on GMO-related content disputes
like this too, so I'm worried that this pursuit is escalating into other agriculture related topics. They also made similar article talk comments You have a well-known history of man-on-a-mission edits. Your actions are not the consensus.
[14] where another admin
Smartse (though involved in the topic) had to caution Leyo about their pursuit of me.
[15] That all started back in 2016 when they were taking to article talk to accuse me of having an agenda.
[16] I've felt they haven't taken cautions I've given them seriously, but I never expected them to go this far and use admin tools as part of that interaction.
Given the sniping and issues from Leyo I've been trying to deal with, they should not be following me around while acting in an admin capacity in those interactions, especially since they've been engaging in personal attacks in that interaction mentioned above. KoA ( talk) 15:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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I agree with SmartSE. I've been looking at your edits and note the gap between the last post discusssisng this on the talk page (yours) and your revert over 2 days later. I don't see edit warring in the diffs provided - and I hadn't seen the interactions with Leyo. Doug Weller talk 16:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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