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I dunno, I try to help, and I get attacked by people for no reason whatsoever. Malleus went straight for the attack on me; I've tried my best to get on with him, but his pointless rudeness to me is seriously causing my desire to contribute to diminish. There was no need at all for the way he responded to me, none whatsoever. He misunderstood something I wrote, and decided to call me names and ridicule me in defence. Seriously annoyed by this. – How do you turn this on ( talk) 03:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Any diffs to support your case? -- Malleus Fatuorum 03:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Please, guys... just let it die. Jclemens ( talk) 03:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not the one who started this nonsense, and neither am I the one who can end it. -- Malleus Fatuorum 03:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I am the one who started this nonsense, and hopefully will end it… this is not worth arguing over, and certainly not on Keeper's talk. Some fights are worth fighting; the copyright status of a South American tombstone by a sculptor too obscure to have his own article is not one of them. –  iride scent 03:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't bring this argument here, and I won't continue with this argument here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 04:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The only arguments allowed here must somehow relate to Alaskan governors. Any of them. Otherwise, rule #3 of Keeperpedia above applies as always... Keeper ǀ 76 03:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hammond was a much better governor than Sheffield, IMNSHO. ;-) Jclemens ( talk) 03:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Jclemens, you ignorant slut. It is so obvious to anyone with half a brain and a cracked skull that Sheffield was twice the governor of hammond. Daft fool. No wonder I never post on your talkpage. </fake anger>  :-) Keeper ǀ 76 03:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Nevertheless, Hammond threw better Christmas parties at the governor's mansion, which is, of course, the sole criteria upon which I base my evaluation of their governing skills. ;-) Jclemens ( talk) 03:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Talking trash during your riffa. Now that's ballsey. Admin wannabe lesson #1, wait until after the riffa is over, when you can say whatever the hell you want with impunity. I just looked at the picture of Hammond. He's a crazy cat! Keeper ǀ 76 03:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Everyone who's from Alaska is crazy. Surely you didn't think just Palin was a bit off, did you? ;-) Jclemens ( talk) 04:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I wonder what this little group would think of your last diff...how much is it worth to you for me to keep your above comment quiet for, oh, i dunno, about 7 days? I have paypal. Keeper ǀ 76 04:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

L'Aquatique and I know some of the same people. Alaska's so small we played the Kevin Bacon Game with regular people, not movie stars. I'm not in that category because I'm not there anymore. :-) Jclemens ( talk) 04:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Keeper This was a particularly hard Nom to write. Like I said a few days ago, it really would have been a LOT easier to write a strong oppose than a strong support. I probably wouldn't have spent the time investigating him if he didn't get some endorsements above (eg Moni3.) I also wouldn't have supported if he didn't explicitly state that he has tough skin... IMO, this is an RfA that should pass, but because of the nature of the area he worked in, I'm not taking anything for granted.--- Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 04:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Courting Condi refers to User:PC78/Sandbox10 which seems blank to me. Any suggestions as to the best way to normalise this? Ϣere Spiel Chequers 12:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

It appears to have been a copy of {{ Infobox film}}, which I replaced with the standard one. Gotta say, the film looks like one big political WP:COATRACK to me. Jclemens ( talk) 16:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't normally read film articles and was just there to fix a typo, when I saw the picture of Condi it reminded me of all those Palin threads that the TPS here so love. But having now skimmed half the article I'm inclined to agree with you re the coatrack. Ϣere Spiel Chequers 17:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Keeps! No ones edited this page for a while, so I thought i'd best! :D - So, hows things? JS ( chat) 23:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Things. :-) Keeper ǀ 76 05:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, that's...colorful thankspam! – Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 04:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, why be boring? I actually expected more complaints about the animated gif, hence me inclusing the collapse button. :-) Jclemens ( talk) 04:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

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(ec...why did I think I could avoid an ec even after all these days) My eyes, the goggles do nothing! Protonk ( talk) 04:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Tsk. All you wimps would never have lasted at Pepperdine University. Jclemens ( talk) 04:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Too much Ken Starr for me. :) Protonk ( talk) 04:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Congrats Jc -- well earned. Gotta run Keeper ǀ 76 05:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

:) -- Endless dan and his problem 20:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• sssssssssh* don't jinx them! Happy Thanksgiving All even weird team fans and those for whom tomorrow is just November 27th StarM 21:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Edan the man. Still holding out for week 16 giant killers game. By some fluke it might actually mean something to the vikes. Heh. If it's meaningless to y'alls boyz, I fully expect you to cheer against them... Keeper ǀ 76 05:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey we won in dumbness with Plaxico. A local singer used to sing a song, Uh oh Accident where one line was uh oh, acci-dumb They need to get it out of their heads and Dominik and Brandon better be healthy. StarM 03:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I swear I am not posting this here to WP:CANVASS, so TPS'ers please feel free to skip this section... Keeper, I was wondering if you would do me the honor looking into my (currently running) RfA? I have a personal respect for you, and no matter how you !vote, I would value your review and opinion of my work... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 01:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA's are a lot like resumes. You want to make sure that there aren't any glaring mistakes, typos, and whatnot. Especially not something like having "graciously" spelled wrong... and leaving it that way for days. Jclemens ( talk) 01:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

there are a couple typos on there, but I've purposely not edited it... didn't want anyone thinking I was changing answers, etc... Otherwise, I would have fixed that, the one backwords ), and adding AN/I to the list in my answer to Q6 (forgot about it while writing my answer)... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 01:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Your call. There are ways to transparently edit or append to your statements, and seeing an admin candidate who admits and fixes their public screwups is confidence inspiring, to me. Jclemens ( talk) 02:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought it might've been a faux pas to edit it myself... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Saw this and for some reason thought of you… The BBC's an unquestionable reliable source (and here's another to make sufficient multiple RSs); two points in the Wikipedia MMORPG to any TPS who can make an article out of that. Five points and an unblock for the vandal of your choice should it survive AfD. This video is the most unintentionally peculiar thing I've seen since this exercise in surrealism, too. –  iride scent 00:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh my. That's quite a persistent mental image. Looks like I'm going to have to buy Tofurky this year. MastCell  ^Talk 00:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for the link to the WikiMeetup - I hadn't seen that before. A couple of quick observations:

1. I'm jealous because Shapiros10 owns a nicer suit than I do.
2. Based on the sample in the video, the average age of Wikipedians is about 30, but the standard deviation is at least 20. MastCell  ^Talk 00:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

How do you not notice that live turkeys are being shoved into a giant blender 20 feet away from you? –  iride scent 00:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Was her original hair color blonde? — Ed  17  ^{(Talk /  Contribs)} 00:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Just watched the meetup video (Yes, all 1hr17min). Fascinating. I expected a meetup of random geographically "related" wikipedias would look a bit more like a middle school lunchroom and a bit less like a meeting of the library board. Nice suit Sam, and was that Star M I saw there surrounded by the teens and middle aged potbellied men? Not sure, and couldn't make out too many names.... Keeper ǀ 76 03:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

While Shapiros10 seems articulate (you know, for a 12 year old), if a little fidgety, am I the only one who feels uncomfortable hearing drama pronounced dramah IRL? And acronyms used instead of a phrase (ie: RfA). Nev1 ( talk) 03:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

For whatever reason, I've always mind-voiced the word desysop and sysop as sigh-sop, not sis-op. I know its systems not sighstems, but my brain says sigh. Sigh. Keeper ǀ 76 03:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha, me too. I say "Meter-wiki" for Meta-wiki as well, and I think of various users as all sorts of odd things... – How do you turn this on ( talk) 03:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I pronounce the letters RFA as riffa in my mind. Nominate for riffa. post at "talk:riffa". Should be a redirect. My name is pronounced Kipper by the way, I bet you were saying it wrong... Keeper ǀ 76 03:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope wasn't me, I was convinced I was a rare survivor of Captain Tripps so didn't go last week. I still haven't updated my codecs to watch the video but it's totally RfA, not riffa. It's also an Eff A Cue -- not a Fack (FAQ) StarM 04:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm kinda curious how everyone pronounces DYK. Maybe it's just me. Keeper ǀ 76 04:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments on my suit (brand new) and articulateness, it means a lot. :) And I pronounce Sysop Sigh-sop and DYK Dee-why---kay. Sam ^Blab 12:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK - pronounced "duck." What a silly question. :P Ecoleetage ( talk) 12:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

LMAO, Eco. I'm with Sam, it's A Dee why kay, but it's not Sigh-sop, it's sis-op. And it's Ay en Eye, not Ani. And all of wiki is basically doubleu-tee-eff lately. StarM 23:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I've never thought to pronounce DYK as "dick"... which is surprising for me. But I'm with others than it's "sis-op", as in system operator. And ANI is as StarM has it. I noticed in the video that Sam frequently said "WT:RFA" which really threw me off. I would have referred to it as "Talk RFA". Of course, if we're being real, were I to do any sort of Wiki-meetup, it would be with my wiki-friends, and I'd be getting totally sloshed with them, so we'd probably not being talking about any of this. Hahaha. لenna vecia 05:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I still don't know how to pronounce "Jennavecia" (in my head, it rhymes with "Alopecia"), let alone "Ecoleetage" ("ekko-leet-idge"), and only know "Useight" because I asked him. I wouldn't even attempt Blnguyen or Carcharoth. –  iride scent 16:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I've always pronounced Eco as eeee-co, not echo. I don't bother with the end of it. He's just Eco. Jenna... is usually just that. Don't know the other two you mentioned. J.Delanoy is JD...Keeper is easy. And Jenna... I'm with you, Talk:RFA or RFA Talk, I'd go either way. The June meet-up I went to was fun, have missed the last two but I'm looking forward to the next. No alcohol on campus of Columbia, can't remember if the Greek restaurant had a liquor license, but it was fun. Gppd eats StarM 17:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Somehow I only managed to read the second half of this thread last night, not even realizing there was a whole other first half.

• On the Sarah Palin video, her staff and/or the media in Alaska hate her something fierce. This has become clear.
• The female in the video is Mindspillage.
• RFA is completely "are-eff-ay", and FAQ has always been, for me, "fack".
• Keeper, surely you jest in your name, because how possibly do you get "ahy" out of "ee"?
• Jennavecia is pronounced "Jenna-vee-cee-ah".
• And one many of you probably don't know, EVula is "ee-vee-you-lah", and he gets really upset if you call him "Ev-you-lah".
• Ecoleetage, I pronounce as "Ee-co-leet-idge". As a former gamer chick, I know much about "leetage". :D
• I need to know how to pronounce Useight, because I've wondered. I just pronounce it like "Use it" now.
• Blnguyen, I pronounce "Bling-you-yen".
• Carcharoth, I pronounce "Cark-ah-roth". لenna vecia 17:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Useight is "Us Eight". See this highly important conversation.

That is correct, I'm "Us Eight". I also prounounce all Wikipedia acronyms one letter at a time, such as "ar-eff-a", with a few exceptions, such as WP:CHU, which I just read like "choo". Hmm, I always call EVula "ee-vool-ah". We need a pronounciation guide for when I'm talking about Wikipedia with my friends. Useight ( talk) 17:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should encourage people to have userboxes which provide the IPA pronunciation of their usernames. But then, most people can't really read IPA, so it might not help all that much. :-) Jclemens ( talk) 17:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, then, Giano: Three syllables or two ("Jee-ah-no" or "Jar-no")? And does anyone mentally include the "2" in Giano II and Realist2? –  iride scent 17:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I always pronounced it Jenna-vee-sha. Iridescent is Iri-descent, unsurprisingly. I don't think of the II on Giano, but I do for Realist2. Dunno why. – How do you turn this on ( talk) 17:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I always wondered what became of User:Realist1. (Giano II is an alt account of Giano which has now become his main account, but there doesn't seem ever to have been a User:Realist.) –  iride scent 18:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, good to know. I go with "Jee-ah-no", and I don't include the II or 2 in either his or Realist. Rlevse is one I have trouble with. I can neither pronounce it nor ever remember how to spell it. I mispronounced Giggy for a really long time, and still have a habit of doing it. It's "gig-ee", though I often pronounce it "gidge-ee". What about Postlethewaite? Surely awesome, but how's it pronounced. I go with "Poss-leth-way". I don't know why, but I think the t on the end is silent. I'm probably completely wrong. لenna vecia 18:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

"Poss-elth-weight". Quite a common name in NW England. –  iride scent 18:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree about FAQ being pronounced "fack". In fact, when people say it by letter - "F-A-Q" - it doesn't trigger for a second. One user I can never pronounce correctly in my head is Malinaccier - I always say "mahl-en-see-ay", when it's probably more like "mahl-in-ass-ee-ay". Tan | 39 18:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

"Mall-er-nak-eye-ur". To me, anyway. And IMO it's still "Jenne-vee-sha". –  iride scent 18:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

You have to work on your French pronunciation! Eee-co-leet-aj (as in Taj Mahal) and I'd guess Mali-nas-ee-ay. Avruch ^T 18:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

When I picked this name it didn't occur to me that I would ever say it out loud and I'm still not sure which way to do so, even though I'm now a regular at the Wiki meetups in London, but there we tend to go by firstnames. Ϣere Spiel Chequers 18:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

So do the people who go to these things actually call themselves by their Wikipedia usernames? "Hi, I'm 68.54.784.34, but you can call me 68"? The mind boggles. And it must cause SlimVirgin some problems. Not to mention every AfD regular's best pal, User:B988a4299d07c0f61fbc8378965438f0. –  iride scent 18:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm the same with the "F-A-Q". It doesn't register at first. And I've always thought "Mal-in-aye-cee-ur", but it has now occurred to me that the "r" would be silent. As for the name above, I just pronounce that "We're spell checkers". لenna vecia 18:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Funny thing, Iridescent, I picked a username that I wouldn't have to worry about if people decided to call me to my face around my friends or family. :-) Maybe I'm just pointlessly boring that way. On the other hand, I sometimes like pronouncing acronyms in ways that other people don't, but seem just as valid to me: SQL could be "sequel" but it could just as easily be "squeal"--much more entertaining. "Squeal server", "squeal query", etc. My favourite one to do this with it PCMCIA. The acronym is so unpronounceable that they've since changed it to "PC Card", but I still say "picky-mickey-ah"--One of the fascinating lessons from Hebrew language classes: if the vowels don't exist where you need 'em, they must be implied. :-) Jclemens ( talk) 19:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

"Pissimsia". Easy. On the subject of acronyms, is WWW the most useless acronym ever? It takes six more syllables to say "doubleyewdoubleyewdoubleyew" - or three more if you follow "dubyadubyadubya" – than it does to say "world wide web" in full. –  iride scent 19:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL you make a good point there...definitely agree. :D — Ed  17  ^{(Talk /  Contribs)} 19:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• For me, sysop is "sis-op", WP acronyms are pronounced out, as in "are-eff-ay", and then for the WT pages, just "talk", as in "talk, are eff ay". FAQ is also spelled out: "eff-ay-kyoo". The one oddball for me is DYK. For some reason, I always said it as "dee-why-know". :S
• I've always pronounced Jennavecia as "jen-na-veh-shee-a" or occasionally, "jen-na-veh-chee-a", like it's Italian.
• Giano is "jee-ahn-oh", Realist2 is just "Realist". Then "Ee-coh-leet-aj" and "pahst-lehth-wayt".
• I've always pronounced Malinaccier as "Mahl-in-ahtch-ee-er", again with the Italian. Which I don't get, because I am of Irish, French and German ancestry, and I took Spanish in high school. Oh, well :/
• As for my own username, I've always said it as "jay dot del-a-noy", not JD, but I suppose JD is much easier for someone who is not used to typing out "delanoy" every day of their lives. J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 20:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Yep, JC works for me, too. Of course, "Clemens" is probably a more familiar surname to most than "Delanoy", at least among the well read and sports fans. :-) Jclemens ( talk) 20:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

(ec) In my head, you're pronounced "Jade-ellen-oi" with no dot, but you're invariably typed "J.d". I will confess I still think of you as "Noygabs", from your old sig – on Macs, the "J.dela"and "adds" displayed off-white-on-white so weren't visible unless highlighted. (I assume that's why you changed it.). –  iride scent 20:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

How do you pronounce my name? E-koh Lee Taj (as in Taj Mahal). Ecoleetage ( talk) 20:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't argue. We know better than you. –  iride scent 20:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep, pretty much. I had two people complain that colorblind people couldn't see it. Also, did we have an extra paste in there? ;-) J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 20:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

(outdent). Tan... is Tan, because I never remember the rest of his syllables and have no idea how he should be pronounced. I also ignore his number. Iri is Iri because I invariably misspell the rest of the syllables. JClemens--yes, although I don't know that assocation is a good one in recent years. Giggy is Giggy because it's infinitely easier to speall than DHO, which was what he was when he was his full name. Easiest to pronounce are: Keeper (again where are 1-75) and Brewcrewer. StarM 22:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

DHMO. DihydrogenMonoxide. G1ggy was his original name, then Giggy, then DHMO, then back to Giggy. Speaking of which, do you think DHMO should be banned? لenna vecia 20:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, according to the article, "86 percent of the sample voted to ban dihydrogen monoxide". That's a pretty solid consensus. Useight ( talk) 21:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This isn't a controversial close. لenna vecia 22:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

This thread is absolutely hilarious. No one is pronouncing kipper right though... Keeper ǀ 76 05:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

"Kayper", rhymes with paper. Easy. –  iride scent 15:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Spanish accent. "Kehpehr"-- Koji † 15:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Fargo_(film)#Popular_reactionFargo accent, or like Rose from Golden Girls. Hey Keep, have you ever been to [ Olaf]? Vs. the apparently real St. Olaf? StarM 16:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The way I speak English, it can sound like "cuppa" Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

…could someone have a look at the strange shenanigans at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian Cole and offer their own opinions and/or try to make sense of the mess? (This isn't canvassing – although I nominated this AFD it was purely procedural, and I have never heard of him, expect never to hear of him again, and have no opinion one way or the other on whether it gets kept.) –  iride scent 15:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to do a Very Bad Thing and breach policy here by linking to an attack page, but "speechless" doesn't do justice to my reaction on seeing this. I thought I'd seen every variation of "personal attack", but this is… well… something else. To anyone else thinking of violating the mighty WP:CIV, I think the bar just got raised. –  iride scent 18:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I write out "F U" to someone with the .svg images for Braile and I don't even get a warning, this guy writes a poem and suddenly the bar is raised. W - T - F.-- Koji † 18:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, anyone considering a block on the basis of that should be ridden out of Wikiland on a rail, and there aren't enough trouts in the sea for the editor who actually took it to ANI. Thus far, everyone else at ANI seems to feel the same. –  iride scent 18:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I think there are definitely not enough Trout in the sea. :) Protonk ( talk) 19:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

In the unlikely event that there's someone left on Wikipedia who doesn't watch my talkpage, the fallout from the ANI debate makes for unusual reading. –  iridescent 03:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking for a bit of advice from either Keeps, TPS'ers or both! I've just come across this, this and this. I'm very unsure about what action (if any) I should take! Its seems that this user could be violating WP:MYSPACE, however he's only 9 and not really hurting anybody. Should I consider taking this to MfD, just leave it alone or ask a Sysop to review it? Cheers! JS ( chat) 18:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

He does have some mainspace edits; I'd say leave him be. As someone who's just spent the better part of a day coding my talkpage to randomly display a motley assortment of snarky comments, song lyrics and dubious pieces of Commons's finest in the header, taking action over something this small seems very harsh. –  iride scent 18:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Eh, they're not really hurting anybody, but you could probably get away with MfD'ing them. – Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like harmless sandbox stuff to me, as long as he doesn't breach BLP or civil do we care how he experiments with formatting in his own sandbox? We have editors who've contributed less than this 9 year old and have more elaborate user pages. But I do hope he waits at least a couple of years before going for RFA. Ϣere Spiel Chequers 19:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

(EC) Thanks for the comments! For the record, i'm not bringing this up just to be mean or to have a go at the user. If I wanted to do that I would have just gone straight to MfD. I was very unsure about whether or not policy should still be uphelp even if the breach is harmless (as it is in this case). I agree that this user is otherwise doing just fine, and the last thing I want to do is drive promising young editors away from the project. Again, thanks for the comments and any more comments/opinions are welcome :-) JS ( chat) 19:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Yah, my RFA got canceled. I wasn't confident and I had something that totally ruined my track record... thanks for your encouragement though. — C eranthor 01:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Only you can prevent forest fires! Er, I mean, only you can decide if rfa/adminning is right for you. If you're not sure how deep the water is, don't jump. Especially not head first. Cheers, Keeper ǀ 76 02:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

New_Orleans_and_Franco-Prussian_War -- I suspect it may have a short shelf life, but it needs to be seen. Just keep the title in mind when you are reading it. Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Alas, it was snowed away. :( Ecoleetage ( talk) 13:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding this outburst, I never presumed that you were asking me, I simply answered. You likewise have no right to tell me or anybody where they can and cannot post, and I will "step back" on my own when I wish. Grsz ¹¹ 03:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you this aggressive with everyone you post to? It's very unbecoming. You are still being presumptuous. I fully expected Everyme to respond to a question I asked him on his user talkpage. I fully did not expect a person that is in conflict with Everyme to post before he could, as if that would somehow be a smooth balm to the situation? Good grief. Think before typing my friend. Keeper ǀ 76 03:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I know that both of you have legitimate thoughts, but goodness. Bring out some tea please....no one meant any harm, and it is simply dumb to get mad over this.... Cheers, — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not mad in the least, and I apologize if my italics (added for emphasis, not anger) led anyone to believe or presume otherwise. I asked (on a different page) someone that was obviously in conflict with another user, to step back from said user, so that a resolution could perhaps be found. Apparently I hit a nerve, tis all. Keeper ǀ 76 03:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

(EC)I had an interest in Everyme's activity - it was an AN section I started that lead to his block. I'm not jumping up and down because it escalated to an indef block, and I simply answered because I was under the impression Everyme was not planning to return, as he had requested all of his subpages deleted and traces of him removed. If I offended you because I responded rather than him, than I apologize because it wasn't meant in a way to put him down. Grsz ¹¹ 03:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like we both are reading things into what each other are typing, I apologize as well. I would like to converse with the admin blocker(s) and Everyme to find a resolution that is amenable to all parties, and it was apparent to me that your presence on Everyme's talkpage wasn't going over so well at this time. I would appreciate allowing a discourse to happen so that everyone (you included) can go back to business. Keeper ǀ 76 04:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me for seeing your post on MBisanz: the harassment was on my talk page, by an IP then logged in. Grsz ¹¹ 04:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

(E/C)? ::::::NO problem. I'm looking over things the next couple of days. I'll presume at this point (if you brought another editor to AN) that something was said somewhere not appropriate, I'll find it if it exists. Are you aware that German is Everyme's first language? I've found many times that things that sound really really bad in English may not necessarily be so horrible in German, perhaps a much harsher language environment. Not excusing anything at all, I haven't read any diffs. I'm willing to bet it had the word "fuck" in it though, and probably something about his girlfriend if I know Dorf... Keeper ǀ 76 04:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

You do know him. I do know he is German, I speak a bit myself (poorly). Grsz ¹¹ 04:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, I might as well explain the whole situation around that if you're interested. Grsz ¹¹ 04:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I met him in a similar way to you, with a "What the **** moment". Got to know him instead, and over time, I've learned that he is one of the more refreshingly honest Wikipedians we have around. Unfortunately, he doesn't always play nice, to his own detriment. I've looked at those diffs now (here and on MBisanz's page), the one to your talkpage was way over the line, and I'm pretty sure he likely knew it as he was typing it. Generally, you'd think that would stop a chap, but we've all done it. Hit save, and while the page loads, say nonononononononono!!!!!too late Keeper ǀ 76 04:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

He made a harassing on an IP, and didn't put his username there. I group of disruptive socks had just (hours earlier) been blocked and I assumed this was in that group and tagged the talk page. It wasn't until after I did that that he added his username, and then he went to my talk. Grsz ¹¹ 04:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

His post was certainly not one of his brightest moments, but just reading your sentence here on the face of it, you said: I assumed.. There are two kinds of assuming done 'round here, I'm finding myself guilty of both of them myself within the hour :-) Still doesn't excuse the post on your talk that came later, I'll agree (I already told MBisanz that his initial blocking appears valid). What, by the way, do you mean by "and tagged the talkpage"? What did you tag the talkpage with? (and what talkpage?) Keeper ǀ 76 04:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

[1]. Grsz ¹¹ 04:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah. So his post on your talkpage was a "response" to having his IP mistakenly tagged as someone else's sock? Keeper ǀ 76 04:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I believe he was also unhappy with my edits at Talk:Barack Obama, which resulted in the first IP edit on that page. Grsz ¹¹ 04:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Was that back in November as well? Looking back at it yourself, what was his reason for being unhappy? (Were others unhappy? I imagine that entire talk page is relatively hostile and, for lack of a better word, "active".) Perhaps things got carried away on both sides of whatever MustResolveThisIssueYesterday Issue of the Day? Again, not excusing anything, just trying to understand, Everyme generally does not lash out unless he feels provoked. (think: bear in corner) Keeper ǀ 76 04:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. What I found odd about the whole issue is that I never interacted with Everyme. Grsz ¹¹ 04:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you know which archive of Talk:Barack the convo is in? Keeper ǀ 76 04:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

These are the edits I made that day, frustrated yes, but not as Everyme depicts them. I'd be one thing if I made offensive edits like he did, but that wasn't the case. I'll search for the archive for you, but here are my edits: [2], [3], [4]. Grsz ¹¹ 04:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for looking! I'm starting to realize that the majority of the conflict began in the week (or so) following the US election, do I have that right? I wasn't present on that talkpage (I learned my lesson in August when Palin was announced as VP-cand), but I can imagine the level of "ideas for the article" that were present in the talkpage and discussion post election. Everyone should get a free pass, some cookies, a raise in pay, just for attempting to do anything constructive on that talkpage at that time - I'm sure the "edit conflicts" were frustrating, not to mention the "edits conflict".... Keeper ǀ 76 05:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Going offline, I'll try to get back online tomorrow around the same time. Keeper ǀ 76 05:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding, when you come back here is the applicable section. Grsz ¹¹ 05:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I won't have time to read that in its entirety for a few days most likely, but thanks for the link. Sorry for the delay, I wasn't able to log in until about an hour ago. I've left a longish post over at User talk:Everyme that mentions you a time or to, in case you aren't watchlisting it anymore. Cheers, thanks again -- Keeper ǀ 76 02:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I took a look at the conclusion you came to on Everyme's talk page and while they are reasonable points I hope Everyme does not burn you. If you are a good friend of his then I would recommend you keep him from the Obama page and related articles. Due to the level of passion that the presidential election stirred up, the page normally sees about a couple different trolls a week all pushing for some absurd point that just has to be added to the article. While you may know Everyme and can vouch for him, he came to that page with lots of passion and would not try to compromise with the rest of the consensus (He kept brandying about a rule that he thought trumped everything else). Lastly the other reason I'm passing this note to you to keep Everyme away from all Obama related articles is that all of them are under a special probation due to the amount of trolls passionately pushing for one absurd point or another. If he edits respectfully and works with consensus instead of fighting a very steep uphill battle, then he'll do just fine. Yet, if he reverts back to his old ways then the special probation clicks back in with a much worse block then three weeks his original block was.

Finally, while I like your idea of everyone backing off for a bit, I think the real thing to say is that everyone should not be as passionate over Obama. As I mentioned above, the article sees lots of people every day trying to add obscure information, weird theories, or straight election spin attacks to the page. Before the probation and the semi protection the article looked more like an article out of conservipedia. A lot of editors worked very hard to clean up the page and bring it back to the FA status. Plus these same editors (Due to the fact that most people did not want to to touch the article) worked hard to keep the article at FA status under the onslaught of editors who just "felt" and "knew" that various small attacks had to be put in. These editors also saw various people fighting for "the truth." Now that the election is over most of those editors have calmed down a lot and a bunch of other editors have also come in to help monitor the article. Yet, these new editors also carry they same viewpoints as the original editors and of wikipedia as a whole in that the article should conform to NPOV despite what the trolls say. Everything that is on that page has been weighed as to importance to Obama's life and then added to the summary style article. So everyone has already calmed down. It it's when a troll or a person who acts like a troll (I.E. Everyme's behavior) appears on the page, then everyone's hackles start to rise again. So while the normal people should not let their hackles rise, people with passionate views like Everyme should also give it up and relax a bit and look at the much larger picture then their narrow viewpoints.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and I hope you can mentor Everyme into keeping his cool when consensus is not moving his way. Brothejr ( talk) 10:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit: Oh yea I forgot to make a mention on the reason Everyme was indef blocked. He did start out with a three week ban, but simply ignored the ban and started editing as an IP. He did not show any understanding of this to any of the other admin's even when another admin added another three weeks to his block. So Islander stepped in and indef blocked him due to his continual disregard of the warning other editors gave him to not edit as an IP while blocked. You need to mentor him to make him realize that editing as an IP while under a block is very inappropriate even if it is for small things. Brothejr ( talk) 10:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what, or even if, you are asking for any kind of response. It's all really a matter of perception in many ways. When some people see a sentence similar to yours above, specifically these same editors worked hard to keep the article at FA status under the onslaught of editors who...attacks..., etc, can also be interpreted as these same editors you are working hard to keep their POV intact, because they've worked the hardest and by Jove, we will prevail!!!!. It's all a matter of which side of the playground you play on. I'm not assuming anything about anyone's actions, but I'm also trying very hard to not mischaracterize, overgeneralize, or otherwise slight other editors, in a similar fashion to your sentence while the normal people should not let their hackles rise, people with passionate views like Everyme shoudl give it up.. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say there, but go back and re-read it and tell me how you think that sounds. I think it sounds rather dense and presumptuous. Keeper ǀ 76 03:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I did and it does not sound as presumptuous as you make it sound. I also think that you do know what I mean and said above quite clearly. Either way, read it anyway you would like. Wikipedia is a free service and editors will read into anything any way they would like. I was just sending you a note about Everyme's past behaviors and what to watch out for. If you want to read something different into it, then by all means. I spoke my mind to you in a note, noting the entire situation, and I plan on moving on.

Oh, and to read your comment a different way, it sounds like you yourself are pushing a POV. Take for instance this sentence: When some people see a sentence similar to yours above, specifically these same editors worked hard to keep the article at FA status under the onslaught of editors who...attacks..., etc, can also be interpreted as these same editors you are working hard to keep their POV intact, because they've worked the hardest and by Jove, we will prevail!!!!. To me, you just said: You guys think you Own the article. This is exactly the same thing as the rest of the POV pushers have said when they could not push their own POV slanted edits into various articles. (Ask yourself this question when you tell other editors that they own the article and that they were pushing their POV, then why hasn't their changes been reverted if they are POV edits? I think you need to take a much deeper look into the situation before you can brandy about the POV warrior/OWN tag.) This makes me wonder what is your reasoning is to jump to Everyme's aid? I am also wondering if you, as an admin, have some bias in the Everyme affair? Brothejr ( talk) 11:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Do you usually leave a two paragraph screed in your wake when you are "planning to move on?" Are you one of those "I must have the last word" type people, or perhaps a "I'll keep talking over you until you get bored and give in" type people? If so, let me know now so I can resume my life without bothering with this. If you actually want to have a discussion fine. I did not say you, or anyone else OWNed the article, I said that there is perhaps the perception that a group of editors won't allow other editors to edit. It's an intense article, and needs to be accurate. Calling any editor a POV pusher, whether they are a POV pusher or not, whether it's an IP address, a redlinked username, a longstanding editor, or an admin, is not appropriate. Do you see how that merely enflames and divides? How is that a collaborative attitude? When you say This is exactly the same things as the rest of the POV pushers have said, do you honestly believe, in any context, that it is even remotely a helpful comment? The Obama article is one of the most intense articles we have, I imagine it certainly does get attacked from all sides. Don't allow yourself to be cornered into an attitude that "everyone trying to edit here can't be trusted, us FA builders are the article's only hope". You came to my talkpage to lecture me about POV pushing and to warn me about Everyme. You took it upon yourself to make sure that I knew that Everyme had narrow viewpoints. Duh, and thank you. This is exactly why I refuse to edit contentious articles, no one wins anything. Its exactly why I recommended to Everyme, and everyone else involved, to step back, unwatchlist, and move on. Not because I'm a POV pusher (thank you very much for that), but because I'm tired of this same shit/new article. Shoo. Keeper ǀ 76 13:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hehehe, this has been most fun, have a good day now! :) 20:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

More arguments need to end using the word "Shoo". It's a good one for the purpose. ~ mazca ^{t| c} 20:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think more arguments should end with the word " Spoo". Jclemens ( talk) 21:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to go with the word Ni though shoo has a nice tone to it too! :) Brothejr ( talk) 21:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I say Ni. Bring me a shrub, and we can all move on with our lives here, my only, and original, intention. Thanks for the smiley face, and please understand at no time was I angry, just trying to illuminate that the situation, like all situations, has two sides, and two different perceptions of said sides. Cheers, Keeper ǀ 76 18:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Wiki-breaks. Great stuff, eh? And hey - Week 17 may be meaningful for both team afterall. Happy Holidays :)-- 72.78.20.45 ( talk) 02:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I assume this is the Endless man? Looking forward to our immenent collapse -- losing to the Cards this weekend, Falcs next weekend, and then getting trounced by the G-men post X-mas. 8-8, callin it. Keeper ǀ 76 15:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I was watching the score from a bar in Cancun wondering if they'd really lose to the Liaint's (sorry, Tan!). I've got my fingers crossed tightly for the G-men tonight. StarM 21:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The sky is falling, Keep. -- Endless dan and his problem 20:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope nope nope. No falling sky. Remember we both called the Eagles, Dallas split. THey'll run circles around Carolina on Sunday. For my sanity they will StarM 02:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm cheering for the Giants if for no other reason other than I need game 16 to be as meaningless as possible for them. Right now, by some fluke, we are positioned for a division win, and a first round playoff loss right behind it, I'm sure. Keeper ǀ 76 02:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Giants ain't winning if their o-line played like it did in the Dallass game. Real key to the game: Antonio Pierce. He played horribly in the last two games. We need to keep their run game in check, so we need AP and the other LBs to have a good game. -- 72.78.20.45 ( talk) 23:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The other key being, as it always is, proper registration and handling of personal firearms by the Giants' receiving corps. MastCell  ^Talk 00:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

AP needs to get his head out of his ass, and Tuck needs to play like he's capable. I think the O-line learnt from last week, but by the same token that was a gutted O-line and being down Kareem and Seubert is a challenge to overcome. We shall see. StarM 01:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I honestly didn't think I'd have the "good fortune" of having to root for T-Jack again this year. Sigh....(although, he played dazzlingly well last week on the road...hmmmm...) Keeper ǀ 76 02:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! But you aren't :( Cummon Keep hunny, let's go fight some vandalism and work on some AFD's.... I already see one I can start some trouble with ;) lol j/k. Lemme know when/if you come back babe :) Dusti ^SPEAK!! 19:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Hunny? Babe? Are you confusing me with someone else? Good to see you back. I'm "mostly" gone... Keeper ǀ 76 02:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you still maintain your list of idiotic edits, but this edit - and the subsequent explanation - must rank right up there in Wikipedia's annals of stupidity. –  iridescent 21:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Wowzers--THAT's a dumb one, all right.

Keeper, you came back for a visit and you didn't say hi! I'm sad... ;) In other news, that insufferable bald kid is still having cancer a couple of times a week. And the latest treasure from the Smith Jones files: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=257608387 "drop this line of ringworm snot" is going to be my end-all remark for staff meetings from today forward. (Somebody else is bitching about him on AN, but I'm with Short Brigade Harvester Boris--SJ is one of Wikipedia's treasures, in his own way.) Miss ya, buddy!! GJC 04:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah Caillou. The little ***t. Makes me cringe as always to think about it. Don't miss that part of my watchlist, At All. Sorry you're sad. SJ rocks. Or should I say: SJ rcosk. Keeper ǀ 76 02:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL! Good to see you! GJC 02:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

What do you people have against Caillou? Is the innocent joy, curiosity, and anticipation with which he approaches each new hill and valley of this journey called life really so off-putting to you cynical, jaded bastards? MastCell  ^Talk 00:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yup. GJC 01:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I prefer Asterix and Obelix given that they are merciless in being politically incorrect. I mean there's nothing funnier than Asterix Conquers America! OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Kids stuff, I prefer Gothic Steam punk or neat vitriol with penguins. Ϣere Spiel Chequers 03:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm a devoted reader of Mallard Fillmore, the only comic strip that expresses nostalgia for the innocent patriotism of Joseph McCarthy. Reading it has been described, famously, as akin to watching the loneliest creep at the gun show try to pick up a waitress by quoting George Will, throw up on himself, and cry. What else could you need? MastCell  ^Talk 05:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Mallard Fillmore is the greatest. I'm a big fan of the comic implying Jon Stewart has some interesting habits Tombomp ( talk/ contribs) 20:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

O: Well, that's disappointing. I can only hope you'll be back full time one day on here. I was just thinking I hadn't seen you around in a while when i saw the wikibreak template. Wizardman 23:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

He's helping Al Franken count votes. And, in Minnesota, he has to snowshoe 47 km to the nearest dial-up connection for the internet. He's a sad case. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Kilometers? I don't think so. Us northerners don't feel too comfortable, eh, with the metric system, eh. kilometers? Next thing ya know, eh, yoo'll be askin' me to call 'em kilometres. We walk the 47 miles, then, ya know. Not too bad really, what's the 'urry, eh? High temp tomorrow in my neck o' the world is -5 fahrenheit. People should send me things to keep me warm. No Palin jokes though, eh, ya crazee mavericks! As for Franken, it seems we like him. We really really like him. He's good enough, and smart enough, and doggone it....we like him. In equal proportion to the other guy apparently. Keeper ǀ 76 05:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

':( seicer | talk | contribs 06:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Italicify? I think I'm going to put you up for recall for that bastardization of the English language :p I thought of you today as I was freezing my ass off waiting for a bus for an hour in the snow and cold. Didn't I tell you to keep winter over there please? StarM 06:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, the proper term is "italificate." I do not mean to be pedantic but it is just as easy to get these things right as it to get them wrong. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 07:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm just so happy you didn't try to italinize that last sentence. (starting to sound more like we're trying to make pasta than make emphasis...) Keeper ǀ 76 05:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

You voted for the lizard people. Protonk ( talk) 13:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Elections? I thought David Icke said that they ran things whoever was elected. Ϣere Spiel Chequers 13:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems like they are trying to straighten up and fly right. Protonk ( talk) 13:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Merry Christmas! The Bald One ^{White cat} 22:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrong queue, Eco :-) Merry Christmas to you as well. :-) Keeper ǀ 76 05:09, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Winter solstice Keeper! Ϣere Spiel Chequers 13:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, to you and yours as well :-) Keeper ǀ 76 05:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Have a happy Festivus, the holiday for the rest of us. :-) Keeper ǀ 76 19:50, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

may there be no injuries and both teams play well. Merry Christmas Keeper StarM 00:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Ahem, meaningless? If the vikes lose, and the bears win (against HOUSTON), then the vikes are out. Do I have that wrong? Keeper ǀ 76 05:06, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, in their defense, Houston's been doing pretty good lately... :) Allanon ^{♠The Dark Druid♠} 05:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I didn't realise the Vikins needed a win or a Bear loss - I thought they were in no matter what. That said, we're getting a very good game, no matter who wins. It's 19-17 with 5:56 in the 4th as I write. Indy shutting out Tennesee is a nice start to the post-season for Indy. I'm pulling for the Jets if only so the media doesn't crucify Favre. StarM 20:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

...and this is going to be one hell of a finish StarM 21:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

congrats dude on the NFC North :) StarM 21:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Keeper, merry christmas and happy new year!! Hope you have a great 2009 :-) JS ( chat) 21:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

• a fine Xmas message for all of us to be mindful of.... hehehe. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 22:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

• • why am I so nervous to open that link? hmmm. it IS from a trusted user though. But a confirmed down-underer at the same time. Tis a conundrum.... Keeper ǀ 76 05:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

		Happy New Year!
		Hey there, Keeper76! Happy new Gregorian year. All the best for the new year, both towards you and your family and friends too. I know that I am the only person lonely enough to be running this thing as the new year is ushered in, but meh, what are you going to do. I like to keep my templated messages in a satisfactorily melancholy tone. ;) Congratulations to Coren, Wizardman, Vassyana, Carcharoth, Jayvdb, Casliber, Risker, Roger Davies, Cool Hand Luke and Rlevse, who were all appointed to the Arbitration Committee after the ArbCom elections. I am sure I am but a voice of many when I say I trust the aforementioned users to improve the committee, each in their own way, as listed within their respective election statements. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to update the 2009 article, heh. Best wishes, neuro (talk) 00:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

		Merry Christmas!
		Christmas medley A chiptune medley to annoy Ironholds :D Problems playing this file? See media help. Keeper76, here's hoping you're having a wonderful Christmas, and here's also hoping that all your family and friends are well. Lets all hope that the year coming will be a good one! If we've had disputes in the past, I hold no grudges, especially at such a time as this. If you don't know I am, I apologise, feel free to remove this from your page. Come and say hi, I won't bite, I swear! It could even be good for me, you know - I'm feeling a little down at the moment with all of these snowmen giving me the cold shoulder :( — neur ho ho ho (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

This talk page was a lot more fun when there was real talk here instead of just a bunch of Happy Holidays templates. :( Enigma msg 18:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree E-man. Maybe I should go add full protection to the Palin article again. That seemed to get this place hoppin'. Happy new year and all that. My new year's resolution is to not log in to Wikipedia at all for the month of January. I've never been very good at resolutions though.  :-) Keeper ǀ 76 03:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear Keeper76,

Wishing you a happy new year, and very best wishes for 2009. Whether we were friends or not in the past year, I hope 2009 will be better for us both.

Kind regards,

Majorly talk 21:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Right back at ya. Cheers, Keeper ǀ 76 03:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I'm the Easter Bunny and I'm here to give out brightly-coloured eggs to all the good little boys and...oh, wrong holiday. 'cuse me for a sec <opens appointment book, scans date> Ah, Happy New Year! :) Ecoleetage ( talk) 22:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Sigh. Eco, eco. Whatever shall we do with with you.  :-) Keeper ǀ 76 03:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Because I am that good (at comedy - not golf..). Cheers buddy and my very best to you and yours. Pedro :  Chat  23:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah Peds! I will always sign on to reply to you my friend :-) Hope you had a nice holiday season with the family expansion kit that you received this year :-) Here's also hoping that you made good resolutions this new year (or is that an american thing?) Keeper ǀ 76 05:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me? I know you are so not getting sassy with me over calling you "Hunny" and "Babe".... Those are my beloved pet names for you dearest Keeper :) :) :) :) How are you??? Dusti ^SPEAK!! 07:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Good defense against the Birds' pass rush, but still giving McNabb too much time. Going to be a good one, me thinks StarM 21:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Eeek, what a mess that Asante Samuels hit/sack/whatever was. WTF is "Excessive demonstration"? Please make it at least 16-14 before the half? Please! StarM 22:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Eagles win easily. Reid once again making the curious decision to keep Westbrook in the game after the game was effectively over. Condolences, Keeper. Enigma msg 00:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

It's the playoffs. Better safe than sorry. Sam ^Blab 00:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

It's the playoffs, which means the Vikings were destined to choke. They've always choked in the playoffs, as long as I can remember. -- Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh so in other words they're the New York Knicks? StarM 04:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I had absolutely no doubt in my mind that the vikings would lose. But hey Childress has had three seasons: 6-10, 8-8, and now 10-6+playoffs. Next year should be 12-4, plus a bonus loss in the playoffs! (am I right, elkman? Your a local, you know just how right I am. We are the Buffalo Bills, only not as efficient. We spread our years of disappoint out across the decades instead of just "one good run at it." On a much sadder note, RIP Carl. Love your boys. Love em. Sorry you didn't get to see the stadium completed to actually see them play outdoors.... Keeper ǀ 76 05:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Ehh don't know that I'd call it easily. Was close for 3Q and then the Vikings D fell apart. Vikings could have won it. I agreee, why risk injury to Westbrook. Will be interesting to see if Samuels is good to go next week. I'm worried, I'm 0-2 on games I'd been hoping for. Big Blue can beat the Iggles, but it's going to be too good of a game. StarM 01:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Keeper, could you please look at the talk p. history of Everyme and consider reblocking him to disable access to his talk p. DGG ( talk) 03:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I assume this has been taken care of? I trust that whatever is done is with the right intentions, I don't have the time to give it fair attention. Thanks for coming here though, appreciated. I believer Islander was also involved in this? I remmeber possibly MBisanz as well? Keeper ǀ 76 05:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I sincerely hope Enigmaman will be succesful in his RfA. I can't see the "deleted contribs" Ryan was talking about, but I don't need to tell you I could probably easily top it in a single diff. I just don't think it's American to dump on a guy for one day of screwin' around.-- Koji † 02:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Huh. I agree with Koji. Do we do that?  :-) Keeper ǀ 76 03:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this might be the first time I've agreed with Koji. Tan | 39 03:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

		The Special Barnstar
		Thank you...for being you. Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - hoax. لenna vecia 03:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Wrong queue, Jenna! :P Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Egads, eco. The queue jokes. The queue jokes. (and thanks for the barnie, not sure what I did. Oh wait, I was me apparently. Well hell, that was easy :-) Keeper ǀ 76 03:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I get hate mail for being me. Feel good, Keeper! Feel good. لenna vecia 03:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

It's Eco -- no e.e. cummings funny spelling here. With a capital E that rhymes with P that stands for...oh, sorry, Robert Preston's ghost is trying to channel me this evening (I hope he doesn't find out I have his 76 trombones up on eBay). Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You jabbin' at my username Eco?  :-) Keeper ǀ 76 03:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - the Vikings lost. — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

....mutter mutter. stoopid vikings. you itchin' to get blocked ed? bringin up somethin like that outta nowheresville... Keeper ǀ 76 03:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but it could be worse. I wouldn't be surprised if Bradford throws tomorrow's game simply so he doesn't get drafted by them. Tan | 39 03:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh... If he goes there, he would have Calvin Johnson, Mike Furrey and Roy Williams. Oh wait. They got rid of him. And they have a crappy O-line. And a washed-out running back. Nope, I think that I wouldn't be surprised either. :) — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I wouldn't wanna be this year's top draft pick. No offense. (No defense, either). :-) Keeper ǀ 76 03:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL yep I think that many, many people would agree with you. :) — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I said to a friend, 53 first round draft picks won't help there. Oy. That said, the media makes it umpteen times worse. NY's gone ape shit this year with the Muts and Jets choking at the 11th hour. (No Keeper, my Yankees didn't choke -- they just were out of it early). I don't even read the paper on MOndays because it's like the world ended. Oh and Oppose Vikings and Twins Fan :p StarM 04:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, the yanks choked alright. They choked on all the 100 dollar bills that CASHman was shoving down there throats. Easy money=easy job=easy to finish in 3rd place. To Tampa. Keeper ǀ 76 04:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Funny Star, trying to defend the Yankees. :P — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL. no that would be this year's team and the nearly .5 billion spent in December. It's obscene but I have to say I like having owners willing to throw money. For years, we bitched about a lack of attn to the starters -- and now they've done something. I'm ticked off about Andy Pettite. $10m isn't enough for a .500 pitcher way past his prime? Go suck an egg and go back to Houston - it's clearly not about wanting to play the game. Will be an interesting season for sure. Long live the Keeper-pedia. StarM 05:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Huh. I miss this. Of course, I just looked at my watchlist, started reading some stuff at ani, and remember why I don't log in too much...:-) Ed, are you at rfa right now? How's that going? I haven't lodged a support or not, but one of the things you're getting knicked for is myspaceyness. I'll apologize now for that, my talkpage is like a sugary flytrap it seems. Hope contributing here didn't ruin your chances there. You seem like a nice guy, despite your ever-changing signature....:-) Keeper | 76 04:28, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we miss it too. :P Yep, I am...and shut up. Like I said there, I'm here to write an encyclopedia and have a few laughs. Your TP gives me that. Off the top of my head, I think that myspaceyness only netted me one oppose; in order, it was my idiotic PPOL answers (Coulda read the policy, but...well, I didn't/hadn't at the time. In retrospect...), Ryan's oppose (no, I'm not contesting that, 'cos he's right), my completely retarded answer to Koji, and Wehwalt's oppose (well, I don't think that it is uncivil, but it's a judgment call; that's his position, and I respect him for it) that is killing me. Thanks for the apology, but it is rejected. :D :P

And I've had this sig for awhile now, I'll have you know. :) — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Yer gonna be alright. RFA sucks, and editing is way more fun than adminning. Go read an/i for a while, you'll ketch me snowdrift. When I passed rfa (sailed right through a year ago this week actually), I had no FA/GA/DYK, rarely an article edit, mostly gnomish shit. But I liked it, and I answered some questions well. I wouldn't stand a chance at rfa as it currently is running, and that's probably for the better. I've still not contributed very much to the site other than a reprieve from the site, as you say. Keeper | 76 04:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

The opposite problem here - decent/good article contributions, bad answer(s) to question(s). :)

I did (stalked you ;), and saw that last section. Good catch on that backwards username!

Yeah, I think that a lot of admins wouldn't stand a chance today...

Rather hard to contribute as an admin when you are addicted to editing as an IP! — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

True, true, the last. Wikipedia, for me, is all about using my spare time (what little I have) towards something enjoyable. Some people enjoy lawyering about with the chests puffed out pratting around about how well they no arbitrary policies that got made up one day, apparently etched in stone by God's own lightning-finger. I, on the other hand, enjoy the community, and changing "there" to "their" when appropriate in an article as I read about things. Nothing more, nothing less. Adminning isn't fun to me anymore, the novelty wore off. Keeper | 76 04:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

...and that's what would happen to me. The reason why I want to be an admin is to carry out specific requests - I would never be a 'regular' at AN/I or at using my tools...drama is not for me. I like my little military maritime history niche. :) — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 05:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Really? "Editor doesn't suck"? :D What a compliment...:) Second biggest LOL of the day...following Prodego's unblock decline. Thanks! — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 06:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose I oppose this barnstar and the Judy Garland song. Keeper does not deserve the barnstar if he's only going to come back to support my RfA. A lot of articles need your attention, Keeper. Am I more important than those articles? I think not. Enigma ^msg 05:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Your rfa2 is one of the shittiest in recent memory. Hope your humor is intact. I meant what I said there, I'd give you my (now unused) buttons if I could. You'd give them away yourself in a few months once you realized how much better Wikipedia is as an experience without them. Keeper | 76 05:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Keeper, Keeper, of course I still have my humor! This RfA provides great lampoon material, and I'm not going to pass it up simply because it involves me. As for the buttons, I gladly would steal them from you if I could. Surely it would take less effort than an RfA. A side bonus would be that I would've saved myself three headaches. Those headaches could then be stored up for my time as an admin. It's all about saving for the future in these difficult times. Enigma ^msg 06:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy to report that I actually got through yesterday without any serious headaches. Enigma ^msg 17:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Got to keep the sekrit pro-liberal Nazi Jewish Armenian Israeli bias intact you know. Prodego ^talk 04:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't reply on my talk page because I wanted to:

It's not much to thank you for the kindness you showed me when I started out, but I don't have a lot in Wiki-space to give. In the last year I've managed to dip into many of the delights that Wikipedia has to offer (found a collaborator, User:Gene Hobbs; got an article to GA; fought at AfD; argued at MOSNUM; and even did a bit of wiki-gnoming: fixing links that went to a dab-page). So it's been a fascinating time; I hope you've enjoyed it as much as I have. Here's to many more! -- RexxS ( talk) 03:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

And to you Keeper. Judging by a variety of things around here, I may not be far behind you in Wikipedia terms. Fritzpoll ( talk) 09:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

That said, I think you'd like to see this diff, as might all those who worked on the RFK article. Fritzpoll ( talk) 09:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I saw that, congrats! That article was a lot of work - I vividly remember the state it was in prior to you getting your fritzpoll's all over it :-) I saw your wiki-break template - good luck with your studies! Keeper | 76 03:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Thanks to your efforts and others, List of Texas A&M terms is now a WP:Featured List. Thanks for all your help! — BQZip01 —  talk 07:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

SShh!!! Don't let anyone know I actually edit articles, I have a reputation to live up to! (actually, I don't remember editing that article in the least, but I'll presume I did, and I'll gladly take credit for it if I didn't :-) Keeper | 76 02:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

This is what I found. – Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 03:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL!!!! That seems about right. Where's my damn gold star in the corner!?!?!? That took a lot of work!!! Keeper | 76 03:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty much a shame that you had to go undercover to get back to what it was that you enjoyed about wikipedia Keeper, but I'm glad that you did. -- Malleus Fatuorum 03:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Me too, although we both know I really do enjoy my usertalk. Neither one of us can seem to kick this place. Heck, I've seen you leave several times. :-) It's a sickness really, and the only cure is perhaps more cowbell. Keeper | 76 03:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

True. My epiphany came when I accepted the essential truth contained in WP:DGAF. Lots of what happens here is ludicrous, and I'd probably run a mile from many of the editors here in real life. But this isn't real life; it's an experiment in making knowledge freely available to everyone, even that eponymous kid in Africa. It seems like a kind of a worthwhile thing to try and help with. -- Malleus Fatuorum 04:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Embrass the ludicrosity. This place is a bit like having too many people crammed into an elevator (or do you call them lifts?). It's awkward and uncomfortable, and then there's that little kid that presses the pretty round button for every floor....sigh. But eventually, the destination will be reached, you'll get to the top, and the view will be worth the trip. Of course, once at the top, some dumb prat will set the building on fire and we'll all have to take the stairs back down. Ah, life. As far as I'm concerned, eveything wrong (and by wrong I mean completely right) with this place has been geniusly summed up in your finest creation to date. I'm forever envious of your legacy in that regard. Keeper | 76 04:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I just started it off. You contributed lots as well, as did many others. But if Hell should ever become exothermic, and Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Malleus_Fatuarum_3 should ever turn blue, then I'd certainly be listing WikiSpeak as one of the contributions I'm most proud of. -- Malleus Fatuorum 04:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Knowing what I know now of what adminship really is, I would oppose your next rfa simply to protect you from having more reasons to leave. If I were you, I'd wait for the tools to be treated the way they really should be treated: Not as some trophy for dancing around this website sans stepping on toes, but on an as needed basis only. You need to see deleted contribs/page histories. You need to be able to protect highly vandalized articles perhaps. You don't need a block button, or even a delete button for that matter, nor do I surmise you would use them. Unbundled is the way it should go, but we both know the likelihood of that. If I could give away my admin buttons, you'd get them (assuming Enigmaman, who I already offered them to, actually turned them down. :-) Wikipedia would be better served with either of you +sysop. Keeper | 76 04:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I was only half joking in opposing my own last RfA, because I know that you're right. IIRC a few others opposed on the same basis as well. A few of the tools would undoubtedly be useful, but as you say, I'd never want to be blocking someone anyway, and probably never would even if I had the weapon. Obviously though the tools will never be unbundled. There may be good reasons for that, but I really don't give a toss any more. I'll plug away until I get bored. As I suppose will you. -- Malleus Fatuorum 04:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Well put Keeper. I think I supported you last time MF (?) Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Can't remember, but make sure that you don't if there's ever a next time Casliber. Let's keep that link red. :-) -- Malleus Fatuorum 04:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Aaarrrr, yeah, aim for bluelinking it on April 1st...and when everyone supports...on April 8th state.....ah-HAAAAAA I WAS SERIOUS!!! and hopefully lotsa folks will have supported so there. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 04:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

My RFA was a year ago this week. The LOL is that Casliber, you were one of two people to be "neutral", plus one opposer. Everyone else supported. So, I guess I have many people to blame, but only a handful to thank :-) Keeper | 76 14:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

o_O Don't look at me...I wasn't here in 2007... :D

...and since when has a "handful" = 3? — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 14:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Just curious, why did you present yourself for RfA? In what way did the reality of being an administrator not match up to your expectations? -- Malleus Fatuorum 14:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Oy vey, I wish I had email. :-) It really was the sheer curiousity of what the "buttons" looked like and what the actual screens for blocking/deleting/protecting looked like. I shouldn't have passed, and wouldn't pass today. I still have no significant article contribs, so there's a group of detractors right there. (although I do technically have a DYK now as an IP, that's another story). I still haven't done an AIV report, either as a report or as an admin. Not interesting, not interested. I have 18000+ edits of mostly nonsense with some very quiet gnome stuff mixed in. Good stuff, stuff I'm proud of, but not enough to get even me to support an RFA. OK, well maybe I would support my rfa, I support most of the time. Again, it goes back to the curiousity. If someone actually has the cajones to put themselves thru the scrutiny of that particular ringer, on an anonymous website, for no pay, and for the added grief that comes with it, who am I to oppose? It frustrates me to no end to know that good editors, ones that actually make this place better for its audience, cannot fully amend/fix/repair/edit/view this site. And here's how you'll know which side of Wikipedia you are on: When I said "audience", did you immediately think of the other editors? Or, perhaps, you thought of the right answer, the ka-billions of readers that never once "log in" to wikipedia? (and Malleus, I know which side you are on - that's a rhetorical question) Keeper | 76 14:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

It is nice to be able to do everything useful on this website, but it isn't the end of th world if you can't. [/2 pence] Now, who'll be there to revert the whirlwind of vandalism on Friday?  :) Fritzpoll ( talk) 15:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll be around - you're talking about Robert F. Kennedy assassination, right? Congrats again, you main pager, you. What is most beneficial is the amount of personal experience Malleus has with his work front and center on the main...:-) Keeper | 76 16:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Disappointment and disgust... I now feel like a Giants fan again for the first time in over a year. -- Endless dan and his problem 14:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

At least you've had a year--- Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon CSD Survey Results 18:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed... — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 18:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Big deal. Something else is coming to an end, and Keeper, I insist you come back for part III. Enigma ^msg 18:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Disappointment. Yes. but bandwagons can now go away :) StarM 01:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I guess I shouldn't complain... but I live in Philly. It would break my heart as a loyal New York sports fan to see them get a dynasty. Not worse than Boston, but still. -- Endless dan and his problem 03:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Frankly, anyone on the east coast thinking they might find sympathy from a midwesterner/northern divisioner/central divisioner because their over paid....sigh. I'll stop. I'm a frustrated sports fan right now. I got nothing to watch. I'm not a basketball guy (although, the local college team seems to know what they're doing currently thanks to their coach. I've got nothing until April. Keeper | 76 14:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

How about roller derby, Keeper? That's a great spectator sport! Ecoleetage ( talk) 15:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Wrong queue, Eco. I'm not a Cougar. Keeper | 76 16:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I had a thought, which I posted Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Main_Page_and_improving_articles here, but I'm not sure what others might think - this isn't an attempt to canvass you to go there and agree with me, so please don't, but you edit a lot as an IP, and I thought that might add some new perspective to this thought about quality improvement. Fritzpoll ( talk) 15:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Keeper, I noticed that you reverted my edits to wikilink "as of 2009" on the RFK assassination (today's FA). The MoS still says for linking this, using the template {{ As of}}, which links it and removes the link for non-logged in users/anons; see WP:AO for more info on this. I've updated the lead with the "as of" template now, just FYI. Thanks - 140.247.252.63 ( talk) 20:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC) (P.S. If you reply, please reply here, since my IP is going to change periodically...)

No worries. It really isn't that big a deal, I was merely going by MOSDATE that says "don't link dates". It doesn't matter to me personally. No hard feelings I hope, Keeper | 76 14:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Keeper, this storm in a teacup probably passed you by in your semi-absence – don't touch dates (either way) unless you're feeling your talkpage is being neglected and you want a conversation like this gracing it… –  iridescent 15:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty out of it. I thought though that the ultimate result of the "OMGDATE!!!1!!1" controversy was that dates shouldn't be linked. Really really low on my radar though, the IP understandably reverted my revert. Keeper | 76 15:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Keeper - keep your head up. Been there, done that myself; I didn't realize there was actually a date controversy going on. But by all means take a wikibreak and we'll see you when you come back - keep in mind that admins are a very valuable part of the Wikipedia community. 140.247.14.141 ( talk) 21:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

... are you talking to yourself there Keeper, wearing your IP editor's cloak? ;-) -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

the IP, as I just now checked, resolves to Harvard. So, um, yes. Just me talking to my fine self.  :-) Keeper | 76 05:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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there are days I'm glad this is blocked at work. Tan was able to keep me in the loop via google chat but holy hell. Glad I have no plans of ever nomming anyone again (which was the case prior to this -- I don't have the passion -- same reason I rarely participate in RfAs). Eek! Happy Friday! StarM 04:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, Star... holy hell. — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 05:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Good times. Tan | 39 05:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Shnikey's. Wouldn't have guessed all that. Had a lot of people fooled it seems. Keeper | 76 14:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Holy hell, Batman! This proves that RFA is absolutely murderous. Sam ^Blab 15:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Tis why I don't go that way much, other than to add support where I feel necessary. Keeper | 76 15:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

"absolutely murderous"? Seems to me to prove that RfA occasionally, just occasionally, gets it right. -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Had I been around when the implosion had occurred, I would have yanked my support. I'm pretty sensitive about the privacy issues, and would have believed this type of thing to be very out of "character" for the editor I "knew". Of course, it just goes to show how well any of us really know who's typing anything here, the root of the AGF mantra I suppose. I'm a firm believe in AGF until proven to no longer be necessary. Because really, to continue to "assume" anything in spite of mounting evidence to the contrary really is to make an ass of oneself. But you already know all this. Keeper | 76 05:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't even know what to say. I think I expected more shit on my talk, but I'm enough under the radar that people either a) don't know who I am b)know that I don't generally nom and c) don't care... either way, I'm happy about that. I have no idea what the hell imploded. Oy. Keeper, can you please keep your arctic air? It's too damn cold here! StarM 00:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

You didn't get much on your talk because you didn't do anything other than nominate a prolific and civil article writer for adminship. You couldn't have seen that coming. Keeper | 76 05:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I got a few charmers in my inbox but to that I say, "really? You won't put it on wiki because you know that if it's not in the letter of NPA, it's well in the spirit>" Oh well, what's done is done. I think we've lost a great content contributor, but based on his reaction to what was still a successful RfA (80something % when I last saw it that morning), I think a good number of the opposes were right in hindsight. StarM 18:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The "Folically Challenged One" says hello Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone should rename Eco's account We Will We Will Shock You. I'm honestly distressed over this, and your talkpage is the page to vent. Sheesh... ~ EDDY ^{( talk/ contribs/ editor review)}~ 23:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

It was there to be seen, for anyone with eyes to see it. -- Malleus Fatuorum 00:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I can say hand on heart that I didn't see it, and I'm not exactly a shrinking violet when it comes to opposing at RFwhatever. –  iridescent 00:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Malleus, I think that's a little uncalled for. To some, Eco came across as nothing but a polite content creator. I have no patience for "he said ___ in a chat log" because in the end, that can all be forged. Was he brusque at times? Yes, but having worked in ESL I've seen that among many non-native speakers. If he hadn't admitted that he'd done what SDJ said - we'd have no proof of that either. Not once did I see proof of what he did or didn't do -- smart enough to keep it off Wiki? Maybe. Polite to many and ol school polite to women -- without a doubt. Eco was one hell of a content creator and in clearing out the backlog the last few days, I really miss his contributions and throwing articles to him to fix. StarM 00:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

You may think whatever you like. -- Malleus Fatuorum 00:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

WE GET IT. YOU WERE RIGHT AND WE WERE WRONG. Tan | 39 00:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No need to shout. -- Malleus Fatuorum 00:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, you apparently needed to hear it a bit louder ;-) Tan | 39 00:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I needed to hear a bit louder that I was right? Jeez, I know I'm right, don't need to have it shouted in my ear. -- Malleus Fatuorum 00:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Iridescent. Irid is much better at seeing things "between the lines" than I am, granted, but to assume that because "you saw something" and others didn't would somehow make said others incompetent/lazy/inept/blind is rather daft, don't you think, Malleus? If I had eyes to see it, I would see it? Really? I would be able to see his off-wiki escapades? Or was I just supposed to believe SDJ and Husond? There are lots of things I see in Eco that are very positive (even right on this very talkpage, unarchived to date), and I wouldn't have dared surmise that he was capable of the things he admitted to, especially without evidence. Even in my "support vote" though, I thought he was in the "wrong queue", namely that he was better off (and seemingly much happier remembering how his previous rfa went down) as a content creator/rescuer than he ever would be as an admin. So, nutshell, what we had was a content contributor, with some skeletons, a possible streak of incivility when "his" content was being somehow criticized, that wanted adminship. (sound familiar?) What killed it for me in this case was the level of inappropriateness that he strived to attain off-wiki, a level I whole-heartedly believe you personally wouldn't sink to Malleus. That's the difference. You keep the wiki-BS on-wiki where it belongs, and deal with the consequences and fallout if/when it arises. Again, had the rfa remained open, my "vote" would have switched. Hindsight is painfully clear enough without someone saying "it was there to be seen". I don't think you meant that to be as insulting as it sounds, or at least, I choose to believe that. Keeper | 76 03:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems to me that some people spend too much time looking for reasons to take offence, instead of trying to understand what's being said. This and its associated non-explanation ought to have rung alarm bells for anyone. That it didn't for so many who chose to turn a blind eye to it is what I mean by those with eyes to see. I don't demand that you or anyone else agrees with that view, but you certainly won't change mine by claiming it to be "insulting". I can't insult anyone who chooses not to be insulted. -- Malleus Fatuorum 14:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you not see the irony in saying "seems to me that some people spend too much time looking for reasons to take offence", and then linking to a diff that is arguably "looking for a reason to take offence?" I did not turn a blind eye to anything Malleus. I read that diff differently, tis all. And even if it were so egregious as to cause offence, perhaps it is best overall to offset it by the workload of thousands of positive edits surrounding it? Anyway, it's old news. I don't much care anymore, and I'm very well aware that it is very nearly impossible to change your mind on anything once you've shoved your thumbs in your ears and squeezed your eyes shut. I hope you choose not to consider that insulting. Onwards and upwards? Keeper | 76 15:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Insulting? Not in the least. Naturally I don't agree with you though; I hope you don't mind. ;-) -- Malleus Fatuorum 16:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Ne'er do. However, you didn't actually answer my question. (the first sentence of my post). That, my friend, is called deflection.  :-) Keeper | 76 16:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, as you're demanding an answer, here it is, in full technicolor. No, I do not see any irony where you claim to be able to see it. What I see is far too many people bending over backwards to avoid looking at what's right in front of their noses. Including you. To distort the posting the diff refers to as some kind of reason to take offence is as absurd as claiming that torture is just misunderstood horseplay. Particularly as real life events showed that my reading of that posting was the correct one, and yours was not. My intention was not to "deflect", but to hope instead that you would "reflect". -- Malleus Fatuorum 16:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Malleus. That's exactly what this thread is. A group of editors that are reflecting on their misplaced support of an editor's bid for adminship. Mine included. We all make mistakes, you included. What you have here is a group of editors saying, "wow, couldn't have seen that coming", because really, who could? Well, apparently you needed to announce that in fact, you could. And everyone else is blind at best. How exactly were you expecting your abrupt "I told you so" to go over? As long as we're all "reflecting" here.... Keeper | 76 16:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

(Comment to StarM and others) To be honest, there were things about him that just didn't hang together somehow, though it is difficult to put my finger on them enough to articulate them. That's why I asked the optional question I asked, and its answer just threw a bit more unease my way: not that the content of the answer was poor (excepting his large slip up in ascribing a bias in myself that clearly wasn't there on any evidence offered), but just that it wasn't consistent with other things I had seen him do and read about him: his response didn't fit well with the actions of someone who came across as an editor he seemed to admire and encourage in a couple of messages, but who had been a guilty party in exactly the edit-warring situation I had described in an "abstract" way (see Talk:Ayn Rand if you want to see the actual example I used for the model situation I described.) Now his interactions with this editor may well have just been him buttering them up to vote for him, but this then just made it worse. That is why I had not given any response by the time it all collapsed. It was too "fishy", and I couldn't describe the source of the bad smell, though I suspected it might have been that he was not describing himself when he was talking about what he would do. If so, then if he was as convincing at masking that as he appeared to be with all the votes in favour of him, then what else would he be capable of, given the other concerns people had? I thought. That taken with the error of assuming motives and bias in his answer made it unlikely that I could vote "Support"; the issue was whether it would have been "Neutral" as opposed to "Oppose", and that depended on whether I felyt it important that he was prevented from being adminned rather than not opposed. Well, as it turned out, we now know what was true.  DDStretch   (talk) 00:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

DDStretch and Keep, interesting points. I don't know what I'd have done if Husond had provided on-wiki diffs or other proof. No, I don't count e-mails or chat logs to arbs or whomever as "proof" because they can be so easily forged. If all that had remained were unsubstantiated claims, I think the RfA would probably have passed. Husond's oppose didn't generate a lot of follow on opposes and while there were a good number of legit opposes raised (I consider most legit, even if I don't agree with them), there were also a lot of supports. In the end, Eco tanked his own RfA and that's something I'd like to ask why. His 2nd RfA was likely headed to failure but this one was still in the 80s and I think would have passed. In a lot of ways, I think a lot of RfAs at the one year mark might be similar because who doesn't attract some who disagree the more time they spend on wiki? It's a natural matter of course, I think. The interesting thing here -- what Eco ultimately did to SDJ was clearly wrong... but that wasn't a clear case of one-sided action either. SDJ lucked out, he got out of the spotlight because what Eco did was worse. But what it ultimately boiled down to was two men (judging by SDJ's name, I think he's male -- I know Eco is) acting like junior high boys. And what does that say for all the ageism in RfA. You get adults who can't act it either, and that's just sad. Oh well, it's over and done. We've filled our drama quotient this month. On the plus side, it's gotten me back to work, something I haven't done in months. I still miss Wikicite and wish there were a Mac version because I hate having to know/use templates so I don't end up working on content. StarM 05:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Haven't talked to you for a long while. Miss seeing you around Wikipedia/mainspace. bibliomaniac 1 5 04:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm around, here and there. I mostly edit mainspace as an IP when I have the time, I just log in now and then to answer questions on my talkpage and make sarcastic remarks on wt:rfa.  :-) Haven't honestly had much interest at all in "adminning", don't use the tools much at all anymore. Maybe someday again. For some reason, I also don't like editing mainspace with an "admin account" either, go figure. Don't think I ever said congrats on your rfb, so congrats! - Keeper | 76 04:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Good to see you still edit around in some shape and form. bibliomaniac 1 5 04:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The irony is that I just blocked an IP for vandalism. Hope I didn't screw it up, I haven't blocked anyone (other than an unblock/reblock sitch) in 4 months. Heh. Keeper | 76 04:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if EVula would be good to go for. He doesn't really like me right now, and it might be bad seeing as I am the fake nom of the fake RfA. Instead, I'm thinking that if this hits 100, we should take it straight to either the boss man or ArbCom and ask for immediate appointment. :) Ottava Rima ( talk) 05:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what the edit was about anyways. A company in your part of the universe is pursuing me for an executive position in their company. Having lived in Minneapolis for a few months many years ago, I'm well aware of the good points and bad points (cold, no decent food, everyone tall and blonde). So, to remind myself how cold it is, I put Minneapolis in my weather program on my iPhone. When a city's high temperature has a negative in front of it, and the low temperature can freeze nitrogen (OK, I exaggerate, but just barely), I'm going to guess there are no palm trees lining the streets of Minnetonka. Of course, I remember in the summer, flocks of mosquitoes carried away babies and small dogs. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 16:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

There's decent food here. And in the summer, Lake Calhoun, Lake Harriet, Cedar Lake, Lake of the Isles, and others are ice-free and actually quite pleasant. So is the Stone Arch Bridge, and it makes for a nice walk across the Mississippi River. And we've only had one bridge collapse recently. -- Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you try the land of the cold and snow, Orangemarlin? — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Move to Maryland. Its nice here. We have history. Ottava Rima ( talk) 00:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Maryland, mech. And the You-Pee is no fun either, eh? Come to minneapolis. Let me know when you arrive. I'll enable email for one day to send you one so I can buy you a beer. Admit it, you're just as curious about who "keeper" is as I am about OrangeMarlin.... Keeper | 76 03:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Will certainly make it harder for me to screw with Hitler. I'll have to find some other way to occupy my time, like getting a job (god forbid).-- Koji † 03:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Leon. Will you or someone else summarize (I can't believe I'm even asking this) this whole "flagged revision" nonsense? I imagine there's some drama around it, but what's the nutshell? Keeper | 76 03:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Straw poll. 60% in favor. Jimbo in favor and arguing for it. A trial of Flagged Revisions is going to begin. — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 03:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

( edit conflict) Basically: you make an edit, somebody else has to approve it. Or your edit sits there in the draft for months until it expires. – Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 03:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The "pro" side of it (though I'm not an adherent) is that it will allow us to relax semi-protection. User:Dank55 is a good exponent of the proposal and a smart guy all around. He can give you the 90 second pitch if needed. Protonk ( talk) 04:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

In my world, a pitch takes about a second and a half. Anybody got that version? On the face of it, the "flagged version" doesn't sound a whole hell of a lot different than a semi-protected version. So replacing one detraction with another? What's the purpose? Credibility/reliability of facts? Keeper | 76 04:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

(preface: I haven't formed an opinion about 'em one way or the other) in theory, flagged revisions would relax the need for semi-protection, allowing anonymous editors to contribute to heavy-vandalism targets by trying to get their revisions flagged, while the huggle army continues to revert vandalism, which now doesn't show itself to the public eye and cause people to think for 5 minutes that someone has died when they've really just collapsed. (afterword: this is my newbish interpretation, i really don't know much about 'em) – xeno ( talk) 04:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that the trial will cover only BLP articles, though. — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:28, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Probably will get an EC for this. The "purpose" arguably is to allow some IP editor to make an edit to a previously semi-protected page that would go into a queue to be approved. I'm fuzzy on the details (as in, how many edits can be waiting in line, what happens when they conflict, etc). Once the edit is approved, the publicly viewable page content changes to match the edit. My fear is that this is like the Taser. Before the Taser, the use of non-lethal methods by security forces (at least after we stopped being ok with beating people) had a specific escalation procedure. If someone resisted detention you had a rubric to step through to get them under control--at the end of that escalation was deadly force (with its own provisions on use). The escalation was designed to ensure that the minimum amount of force was applied to get the subject into handcuffs. The Taser leapfrogs that by allowing security forces (I'm not saying police because I wasn't one) to move immediately up the chain of non-lethal methods in order to ensure compliance. As a result, minimal methods are abandoned--there are gradations of force to be exercised in the event that a subject refuses to obey a verbal command. Once the subject either obeys verbal commands or is otherwise incapacitated/restrained, the escalation of force stops. When you physically have to apply that force with your hands (apply pressure points, roll a subject on to his stomach, walk a subject to his feet), your body helps you in stopping the escalation (it's pretty tiring!). When you have a Taser, it is easy to give a command, shock the subject, then repeat the command (and shock the subject again)--a totally unnecessary use of force. Here we have an easy tool. It isn't deadly force (semi-protection), but it isn't labor intensive (actual editing and new page patrol). It is a simple way to ignore external changes to articles--changes which are usually messy, uncited and poorly formatted. Just set up flagged revisions on the article and don't bother to "sight" revisions--then you don't have to worry about finding a citation for an IP editor or correcting their formatting, or improving the article using their changes. This new tool (like the Taser) will be used outside its original expected scope (pages which would otherwise be semi-protected) and will offer an archetectural incentive for users to abuse it. We Taze people we would never fire a handgun on, likewise we will flag pages we would never fully protect (or semi-protect, for that matter). And the registered editor will officially become a different class of wikiepedian than the IP editor. Yuck. Protonk ( talk) 04:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) Your edits need to be approved before they are visible to the public. Basically some guy has to be like "that'll do pig, that'll do" before whatever changes you've made are actually made. I supported it, even though we Republicans are supposed to fear change. ;-) -- Koji † 04:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought even registered users had to have their edits sighted when an article got flagged? I guess I haven't read up on it enough. – xeno ( talk) 04:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm fuzzy as well. I probably should be shooting my mouth off less. I think that anyone who can "sight" revisions can have their edits automatically sighted, though it may work like patrolling and only an admin can do that. I know that there is a confusion of possible configurations to it. Protonk ( talk) 04:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs for some actual details. Protonk ( talk) 04:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the mediawiki page more closely (and the Wikipedia:Flagged revisions page) I am reminded why we are fuzzy on details. Exact configuration choices--which revisions is displayed, what level of review will be enabled, what the review interface will be like, who is an "Editor"--have not been determined. Protonk ( talk) 04:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

<outdent>If anything, this thread has proven that this talkpage is still watched. Heh. Sarah Palin. Keeper | 76 04:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I see your Sarah Palin and raise you a Stuart Smalley. :) Protonk ( talk) 04:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

oh, not this shit again... ;> – xeno ( talk) 05:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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Well, since the most common subject on this page has already been brought back up, I figure I'll toss out the second most common. While on routine patrol a little bit ago, I stumbled across this. Makes me ashamed to be a Yankees fan, really... Glass Cobra 16:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Are there any Yankees fans that aren't ashamed on some level? Surely a normal baseball fan cannot be proud of the "some assembly required" teams that have been jumbled together with dollars replacing diligence... Keeper | 76 18:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh my goodness, I forgot that it was a capital crime to try to acquire better players to increase chances of success! How could I have been so silly? Oh, and how dare we spend money made from our legions of hardcore fans and a stellar attendance record, right? Surely teams that make a lot of money should do something smart with it, like hoard it under our beds, or maybe put it in big piles and burn it. It would be prettier, wouldn't it? My most humble apologies to you on behalf of the entire Yankee Nation, Keeper. Glass Cobra 23:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't mind Keeper, he's just bitter :p NY has our own Palin now in the form of Kirsten Gillibrand *gah*. 70 odd days to opening day and I can't wait -- at least they've started going insane with news of Torre's book. StarM 00:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd take Palin's résumé over Gillibrand's any day. Apparently Paterson felt he needed to fill some kind of "women in the Senate" quota. Enigma ^msg 01:06, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear god, how about brains in the Senate? I didn't like Hillary, but at least she had two brain cells to rub together. How is this a better choice than Caroline? StarM 03:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Obviously Paterson has something against Kennedy, or maybe the family in general. I trust Paterson will make the absolute worst decision in any situation. He's proven himself worthy of my confidence. Enigma ^msg 03:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah interesting form of political suicide. And then claiming the only reason he didn't choose Cuomo was so as not to have to fill another vacancy? Daily News ad a good editorial on all that happened in the 53 days it took him -- I think the only thing that's taken longer is for Manny to find a new team. What a mess we're in. Personally, the fact that Spitzer can't keep his pants on -- in the grand scheme of things and especially since he wasn't charged -- I'd take him back than this mess. Bloomberg sniping at Patterson and Gillibrand... Going to be a fun two years. I still can't get over her 'we don't have cities in my district' StarM 04:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

What's with the sudden influx of politics? This is the baseball sub-thread. And as far as Glass' little rant above, I'll just assume that's some sort of deflection to avoid the reality that has taken over the Yankees. There are a lot of great baseball players that are spinning in their now razed graves over what's become of the "team." Keeper | 76 04:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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That's brilliant Pedro. Brilliant! Keeper | 76 23:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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Someone figure out what to do with this. Thanks Enigma ^msg 23:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

We have a Coatbridge article, don't we? Anything merge-able/salvageable? Mostly it looks a bit like jibberish that borders on the slightly offense on first read. The user that created the article still has a red talk page, that should be the first stop, I surmise?... Keeper | 76 04:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Looked like junk to me. I redirected it to Coatbridge. Glass Cobra 04:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

That works too :-). Has anyone greeted or offered to help the new editor? Otherwise, I certainly could. Keeper | 76 04:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Good to see that you are still editing on here :). I myself have stepped up my level of activity here over the last few days and will continue to increase my activity on here throughout the next few months. Cheers, Razor flame 20:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I mostly just respond to stuff on my talk. And heckle others on theirs. And support people at rfa. And this lamp. And this chair. That's all I need. Hope you're well! Keeper | 76 03:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I'm well. Cheers, Razor flame 16:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that mostly what you did before? Useight ( talk) 06:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Useight:1, Keeper:0. Watch yer back :-) Keeper | 76 23:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Keeper, I always drop by a talk page when I say something in a thread that someone might interpret as a put-down ... I never consciously put anyone down on Wikipedia, and I want to make sure we're clear. I talked about people talking with "moral authority" at WT:RFA#Arbitrary break about how arbitrarily everyone is dismissing keepscase's perspective. I agree with you that people should never be silenced or put down on Wikipedia, but I also support the idea of looking at anything that would improve RFA, looking for consensus, and writing it down. My sense is that consensus is leaning in the direction of letting people ask whatever question they want to at RFA, but that whatever it is that's making people uncomfortable might be dealt with by letting candidates know in the RFA instructions that it's a minority position that "silly" questions are useful in RFAs. Whatever your position is, I'd appreciate your input in the thread. (Watchlisting) - Dan Dank55 ( send/receive) 18:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Removing Keepscases questions will simply not improve RFA. It's a bandaid where a tourniquet is needed. Abolishing RFA to the scrap yard and starting over might do the trick, but it will take the retirement of every editor (myself included) that has edited there in the last 2 years. Keepscases doesn't think the questions are silly, he thinks they are useful, so it's a solution that doesn't even solve a correctly identified problem. And I'm an optimist by the way, and a pretty easy going fellow. Keeper | 76 23:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

You're in good company with that opinion on RFA. What's frustrating for me is that, even with roughly the same collection of people as other processes on Wikipedia, RFA never seems to proceed towards written consensus in the way that other processes do; it's more like "every man, woman and child for themselves". I don't understand. But I see more than a ray of sunshine on this question about questions; even the people in the minority, especially the people in the minority, are okay with the majority having some kind of say, and almost everyone in the majority is okay with letting Keepscases have his say, as long as it's not outright trolling, and the level of support his questions have keep that off the table, I think. If you had to craft your ideal "heads up" to candidates in the instructions about what kinds of questions to expect and how to respond to them, what would it be? - Dan Dank55 ( send/receive) 23:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

"Fuck 'em"? -- Malleus Fatuorum 23:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

"If you're too lazy to read the last few RFAs to see what sort of questions are asked before you submit your own, you probably deserve to fail"? This might be cynical/obstructionist/cabalist (delete to taste) but someone going for a job interview who hadn't bothered to learn about the company, or taking an exam without reading some old exam papers, or if you want an on-Wiki example, submitting something to FAC/GAC without looking at why previous articles passed/failed, wouldn't get my sympathy; I don't see why this should be any different. –  iridescent 23:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

That seems out of proportion to the size of the problem, Iridescent. How many conversations have we had at WT:RFA about what the sillier questions mean, and whether the answers say something useful about the candidate or not? If people who hang out at RFA can't figure it out, why should we expect someone who spends most of their time at AIV or XfD to figure it out? Stressing candidates in this way biases selection in favor of people who know RFA, not Wikipedia, which we've agreed is the opposite of what we want from candidates. But as always, I could be wrong. - Dan Dank55 ( send/receive) 00:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Doing job interviews is biased towards those that come in with a working knowledge of the job they are interviewing for, and how to apply for it. I agree with Iridescent's comment, and also agree that it's a harsh reality. Keeper | 76 00:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

(ec, re to Dank) My personal opinion is that how people react to a bunch of idiotic questions is very pertinent. Likewise, how they react to lame opposes, awkward isolated incidents being dragged up from their past etc. Since any high profile role on Wikipedia (not just admin – ask Sandy…) tends to make you a magnet for assorted cranks, nutjobs, and people with assorted obscure grievances, I think how people react can be important. Someone who snaps when someone asks a weird question is someone who's not going to survive their first encounter with Smith Jones. –  iridescent 00:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Tha tsagood piont. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 01:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Stole my danm joek on my ownt akpage. Keeper | 76 04:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Did you catch his latest gems over on the dramaboard? "Suckputtering" and "sockpopers"? [5] I can just imagine the sockpuppets assembling in a conclave, nervously anticipating the puff of white smoke... Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 05:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

(re to dank, mutliple edit conflict)The key difference is that RFA is the only process about people instead of articles. Consensus is easy, and change is easy, (relatively speaking) when you aren't talking about persanalities and personality differences. RfA is a beast, but it mostly gets it right most of the time, and it won't be better or worse, likely, with or without Keepscases or other editors' silly questions. As for your question, I honestly don't think there needs to be a "headsup" other than what is already there (questions are optional, etc). Really, IMO, anything goes at RFA, because anything goes once you're an admin. RFA in this sense is meant to expose/display someone's character, as evidenced by their composure while under fire. All that to say, however, I think the questions are entirely useless, even 1-3. If Keepscases go, it should only be if the community decides all of them should go. In my opinioin, character is the only important trait for an admin. It is only discovered when you can see how someone acts when they believe no one is looking. To determine whether a candidate is a good one, I read talkpage responses to other editors with higher emphasis on dialogue with new users (admins spend a significant portion of their time as "admins" sorting out issues with new users). I also read edit summaries when creating/amending content and article talkpages, and I ultimately end up supporting most of the time. People, in general, are nice to each other around here. I don't much care if someone screws up a CSD tag once in a while, or mistakingly reports someone's borderline username to UAA. The tech side can be learned, the character cannot. Keeper | 76 23:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with all of that, Keeper, except the part that a headsup wouldn't be helpful. I especially agree with the part that character is what people do when they think no one is looking, which would suggest we'll find out more about their character from their contributions over the past year than from their answers to RFA questions. Also, RFA is stressful, and I don't think that people's reaction to being judged by their peers on everything they've done or said at Wikipedia is a good guide to how they'll react to some vandal or someone whose article got deleted. - Dan Dank55 ( send/receive) 00:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you agreeing with me :-). I also agree with your last sentence. I use "how they've already reacted to some vandal or someone whose article got deleted" as the indicator of positive admin qualities. There are two scenarios though. If someone in their earlier (not even thinking about rfa) editing acts cluefully, communicates well, contributes content well, is content focused, etc, and then gets awkward in RFA, that's likely nervousness, and I'll support. However, if someone is generally curt or abrasive or unhelpful or noncollaborative, but "turns on the sweets" in the run-up to, and during, rfa, I'll either abstain or oppose. I think we are actually agreeing on everything, other than the headsup part. If anything, it should simply say: "Heads up! If you run for rfa, every single one of your contributions will be looked at by someone that will judge you, and you may get questioned as to just what the hell you were thinking on your third edit last May when you deleted that troll's comments from your talkpage with no edit summary and are hence forever labelled as 'non-communicative'. Rfa participants are really good at choosing a handful of edits and deciding their level of atrocity amongst the 18000 other non-contentious edits." I'm not thinking of any rfa in particular, it just seems that there are many opposers that like to laud their own self-importance. Keeper | 76 00:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

"... if someone is generally curt or abrasive or unhelpful or noncollaborative, but 'turns on the sweets' in the run-up to, and during, rfa ..."

But that's the only chance we curt and abrasive people have, to pretend to be something we're not until the nightmare of RfA is over. Ain't that right Tan? ;-) -- Malleus Fatuorum 02:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say it wouldn't necessarily work. I said I wouldn't support. I would nominate instead.  :-) Keeper | 76 04:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

My RFA passed today at 150/48/6. I wanted to thank you for weighing in, and I wanted to let you know I appreciated all of the comments, advice, criticism, and seriously took it all to heart this past week. I'll do my absolute best to not let any of you down with the incredible trust given me today. rootology ( C)( T) 07:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! Enjoy the buttons - yours was an easy support, I remember your strong composure and soundness during the whole SarahPalinwheelwarOMGdramaness. and, you have a cool username. You'll do well - Keeper | 76 21:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you for pointing it out. The current revision of the article is most certainly worth keeping! ErikTheBikeMan ( talk) 03:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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Why is User:Tautologist blocked? It makes no sense and is Censorship. See his talk page for more. RohdeScholar ( talk) 07:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Blocked as an obvious sock, for admitting he knew he couldn't edit Tautologist's talk page. Sigh. Guy really never learns. Jclemens ( talk) 07:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Heh. I can't remember what his first account was, used to stop here a lot though. Right around the Sarah Palin craziness last fall. Heh. buh-bye. Keeper | 76 02:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

EricDiesel, it was. Jclemens ( talk) 04:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the trust you placed in me by supporting my RfA (which passed and, apparently, I am now an admin!). I will do my best to continue to act in a way that is consistent with the policies of wikipedia as well with our common desire to build and perfect this repository of human knowledge; and can only hope that you never feel that your trust was misplaced. Thanks again! -- Regent's Park ( Rose Garden) 23:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, and good luck! Keeper | 76 02:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

My Wikibreak template isn't wikibroke :) and no, I didn't copy paste the one you made me for Cancun and just subst out words. Not at all ;) StarM 06:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm back, sort of. Not really sure where to go from here. Anyway, I discovered a string of related accounts. Hippieslayer ( talk · contribs · email), Dogspit2 ( talk · contribs · email), Hippie ( talk · contribs · email), Drummonster ( talk · contribs · email), and more. There was definitely some sockpuppeting going on. Not sure if it's entirely one user, or a couple of users. Enigma ^msg 22:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back. I'm not really around myself, maybe someone else can look into this? WP:SSP? Keeper | 76 23:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

AND, of course proving how long I've been out of it, I of course meant the non-defunct process, now called WP:SPI... Keeper | 76 23:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Keeper. I was introduced to you by Collectonian ( talk · contribs), who commented that you had copyedited the Naruto character list before it was sent to FLC, which it passed. I saw the "Wikibreak" tag on the top of your page and asked Malleus Fatuorum ( talk · contribs) instead, but since Malleus is busy with another Anime episode list at this time, I thought it might be a good idea to ask you. I have two lists that I am looking to send to FLC in the near future: List of Adventures of Mini-Goddess episodes and List of Oh My Goddess! episodes. Since thingg ( talk · contribs) is looking at List of Adventures of Mini-Goddess episodes, could you take a look at List of Oh My Goddess! episodes and copyedit it? If you're still on Wikibreak and don't feel like copyediting, let me apologize beforehand for bothering you. Thanks! NOCTURNENOIR ^{( t • c )} 04:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought of you when I saw a couple of your boys: Steve Hutchinson and Adrian Peterson. Not sure about any other Vikings. I'd post you photos but I don't have anywhere to post that doesn't tie to my name, which I don't want to do on Wiki. Phooey. Hope all is well in Keeper world. StarM 00:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh and as I said to Brew, Joe was right about A-Rod, who I've never been a fan of.

Dear Keeps, Many thanks for your support in both my RFAs, the second of which has passed by an embarrassingly wide margin. There's a full glitzy Oscar style version of my acceptance speech here. Were Spiel Chequers 17:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

/me watches a lonely tumbleweed roll by... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 03:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I've been putzing around here and there, mostly logged out, a few times accidently logged in. Hope you're well! I'm enjoying the non-drama-laden side of this place once again... Keeper | 76 19:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL... yeah, I've seen the IP edits... trying to do keep away from the drama myself... had a bit of a fiasco with rollback a couple days ago, so I'm trying to stay away from any frontline vandalism work for a little while... did a mini article drive on my creations after my RfA, and have been doing some other general article work recently... it's hard to find anywhere that is not drama-laden unless you're lucky enough to find and work on some random article that everyone else has forgotten about...

I'm also fixin' to double my image contributions in the next week or so... I'm planning on going to the Columbus Zoo, and taking a bunch of pictures of the zoo itself as well as some of the animals they have on exhibit that don't have images on their respective articles... I've also got some other image ideas from around this area that are missing on their articles articles...

It seems that AN/K and AN/X have both quieted down recently, even though I still watch both... I'm not as active as I would like to be, but I make sure to at least log in and check my watchlist a couple times a day... If you need anything, let me know... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 21:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yankees v. Twinkies this afternoon. So nice to be watching ball -- and that both teams are fielding people I've heard of. Didn't know about Mauer's off season kidney surgery -- they're not saying much. He OK? StarM 18:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Caught just the end of it. Have I mentioned how much I enjoy the MLB Network? Makes me wish I had money for a vacay - whilst the twins basked in ft. myers, I was getting buried under 8 inches of snow... Keeper | 76 19:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

We got about a foot-ish on Thursday in Marquette. :/ — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

We're meant to get 11-18 inches tonight. So not looking forward to it. Keeper, I agree re: MLBN, I just got it last week and have been quite enjoying that as well as NFLN? Sage Rosenfels???? StarM 20:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL I saw that too. What, are your Vikings getting rather desperate now? ;) — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 20:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

My Vikings? No, they're our dear host's Vikings. My allegiances lie closer to home who have to date, lacked any crazy signings. Somehow I see this alleged effort to light a fire under Tavaris backfiring. You can have Chris Canty though :) StarM 20:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Ha, I know. That was badly phrased. I meant "Keepy's" Vikings. Better? ;) — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 20:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

That works -- didn't know if you knew my team allegiances for football -- we've had the baseball razzes :p StarM 21:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

"Keepy", Ed? Keepy? That's new. And who are the Vikings? Never heard of them. At least, not until after October. Go Twins! Enjoy the snow - I saw Al Roker blabbering on about the nor-easter this morning and thought, "heh, I was just complaining about snow to a new yorker". Heh. Tough break. Keeper | 76 04:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Would have enjoyed it more if we had gotten a snow day. Got tickets for Yankees/Cubs on 4.4 and Chief Wahoo on 4.18 -- question is will t be baseball in the snow StarM 13:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually not sure when I'll be going to a homerdome game, but I'll be sure to make it this year, being the last for the baggie. New stade next year. Talk about your snow-games. We usually get about 6-10 inches of snow in april, and again in October... Keeper | 76

Yeah during Satuday's exhibition game they were talking about the Target Center and the logic behind a dome-less stadium in the Land O'Snow. Some crazy average temps for April and November too. I went through Minneapolis in April, but I didn't leave the airport. I'd like to visit in summer. Went to 6 games at Yankee Stadium last year, have tickets for two so far this year. 04:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

And just to clarify, Target Center is a nasty place where a nasty team plays "professional sport". Target Field, on the other hand, is a gem of a stadium. Only it's about 300 miles too far north to not have a roof and/or space heaters. Keeper | 76 04:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

(outdent holy colon farm!) gotcha, maybe the Target connection is to show Mother Nature where to dump her extra snow? Or maybe extra sun? LOL: re timberwolves -- I don't follow basketball but I remember them for one thing - drafting [[Christian {Laettner]], one of the heroes of Duke's 93 run to the NCAAs. Bedtime for me, wisdom tooth extraction in the AM. StarM 05:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The only thing the t-wolves are remembered for around here is for finally rewarding their franchise player with a championship ring for all his revenue-generating efforts. They traded him. Keeper | 76 02:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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I finally edit my own talk more than yours ;) And now that Brew is gone too, I'm going to be talking to myself. Of course I look at my stats now.... I'd never pass RfA. StarM 15:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

• Strong oppose The candidate falls far below my 50% mainspace minimum. Not only does she have less than 25% (!!!) mainspace edits, but she has almost 5,000 user talk edits, proving that she's a myspacer and game player who is not here to contribute to the encyclopaedia. Enigma ^msg 20:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

hah... like Keeper being gone is stopping anyone from talking here... I think there are still enough Keeperpedians around to make it exciting... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 17:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

very true, but we all appear to have gone mute :) StarM 20:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

So long as we never allow MiszaBot to clear the entire page, and always ensure Keeper has a little orange bar whenever he logs in, our job is done... ;) - Adolphus79 ( talk) 20:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

It's only a temporary condition. One day things will change. Enigma ^msg 20:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Miszabot never clears the page; it always leaves the five most recent posts and only archives when there are two or more posts to be archived – meaning you'll need to create another thread to stir it into action once more. –  iridescent 20:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we want a bot passing users in the hierarchy. The less Miszabot edits, the better. I, for one, would be crushed if it passed me on edits to this page. It's how I evaluate my self-worth. Enigma ^msg 20:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, it's still very much on my watchlist for some reason, perhaps hoping Keeper will be back full-time at some point. For now though you don't see much of me posting here, baseball is not my thing! :D ~ mazca ^{t| c} 09:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Same. Enigma ^msg 20:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Who else thinks that CC signing with the Evil Empire Yanks was stupid? Anyone but them... :( I used to like that guy once upon a time... — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 13:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought the A-Rod contract was far worse. As has been shown with other sluggers (the guys surrounding him on the home run list) and other shortstops (yes, he's not a shortstop anymore, but the guys who played a similar amount of games at shortstop in their careers), players like him tend to break down and lose effective at 33/34 and on. Nine more years. All guaranteed. The Sabathia signing was dumb, but the A-Rod contract was probably the worst player contract in the history of sports, all things considered. Enigma ^msg 20:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Ooo! Baseball. I heart baseball. It's starting to (finally) feel like spring in my neck of the tundra. Last week, we had a temp range of -4 up to +57. Within the span of 3 days. Love it. Perhaps I should designate StarM as the official "I will respond to all queries on this page" person. I hate to see her own talk page surpass this one. Of course be warned TC, if I ever catch you claiming that your geriatric team will be better than my non-geritol team, I'll remove you from your post. Or perhaps, I'll just remove your posts.  :-) Hope everyone is well. Go Spring! Go Baseball! Keeper | 76 16:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I think that honor has to go to the Mike Hampton signing in Colorado. 8 years for 121 million dollars. In his two years at Colorado, he had 5.13 and 6.15 ERA's and went 21-28. As the WP article on him states, in ever so POV terms, The only positive from Hampton's two Colorado years was his hitting (ten home runs and .300+ batting average over two seasons). He wasn't even a fan draw. At least A-rod will put butts in seats... and he will have a few more years of productivity. He may not be worth the amount the Yanks are paying him, but he will still be on most people's fantasy watch lists for years. The Rockies had to pay most of his salary for years after trading him and nobody had him on their fantasy watchlist!--- I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 19:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The one thing (actually there are several things) like I like about my team is that they've never attempted to buy their way out of inadequacy. They just build them up, corn-fed. We all can work our way through some tough young years once and a while in order to truly enjoy our successes. Tell me, folks, which American League Central team has won the most division pennants in the last decade? Which one? (hint: Its not the indians or the white sox - two teams very guilty of trying to buy their way through the midwest rivalries...) Keeper | 76 22:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

maybe I'll just do that to see what happens... - Adolphus79 ( talk)

I could simply turn off mizcabot if it bothers y'all that much :-) This could be DGG X 2... Keeper | 76 16:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

There's far worse than DGG out there. –  iridescent 16:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

YAY!!! Keeper logged in!!! /me wanders back off to continue writing silly new articles about state routes in Maine which are liable to end up filed away in the basement closet of the office building known as Wikipedia never to be visted upon again except by the creator himself in the rare case of his getting bored and trying to upgrade old articles that he had created... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 18:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Keeper76 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Keeper76's day! For your excellent taste in RFA candidates, enjoy being the Star of the day, Keeper76! Cheers, bibliomaniac 1 5 23:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I liked it better as "Keepter76" to be honest. ;) ~ mazca ^{t| c} 23:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

How does some slacker who rarely logs in anymore, and makes all his stalkers entertain themselves, get his own day... I want a recount!!!1!11oneoneone!11 - Adolphus79 ( talk) 23:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen the other names on that list? I'm not sure this is a club you really want to be a member of. –  iridescent 01:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

As Groucho Marx said, I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would accept me. I notice though that you're on that list Iridescent. :-) -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

The unusual nature of the list struck me at the time. So, I rank below Sinebot but above Epbr123. –  iridescent 01:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't get me started on Epbr123. He strides like a Colossus across this project, almost godlike. He really ought to have been right at the head of that list. -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

(ec) Heh... yeah... some of the other slackers on that list (like this one, this one, and these) are almost as bad, that's a cabal I'll happily pretend doesn't exist... but it seems like half of them are already part of another cabal which spends all of it's time just talking about MILFs and balls... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 01:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Srsly. Whoever picked January must have been high. Middle of the month especially. Dorks. -- Moni3 ( talk) 01:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

And to think I've never once had to seriously edit an article to get on the coveted list. What a role model for all those youngsters competing for glory!!!. Thanks Biblio, for the (much) undeserved mention ! And Boo Adolphus for using curse words on my talkpage... Keeper | 76 22:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Har har. I was unaware I was ranking, but whatever floats you guys' boats... bibliomaniac 1 5 03:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm disappointed in you, Bibio. As a bureaucrat, you should know that everything on Wikipedia is a competition. – Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 03:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right. I responded by removing WT:Requests for adminship from my watchlist. ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 00:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

• Solid rant, dude. I removed WT:RFA a loooong time ago. Heck, I've long thought we ought transclude requests onto a seperate page so we don't have to watch WT:RFA just to see the requests transcluded as they go live. Anyone wanna be bold? – xeno ( talk) 03:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Xeno, good to see you still watchlisting the important pages anyway, namely this one. Glad to see you still kicking around the place. Have fun with the transclusion. That has no risk whatsoever of becoming a trainwreck wrapped around a logjam twisted into an arbcom case that results in 6 "I really mean it this time" retirements and calls for desysoppings. Should be fun. I'll make popcorn. Keeper | 76 03:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

For a long time I simply kept a bookmark of the bot-updated list of RfAs and visited it regularly to see who was running - I'd recommend this as an alternative for anyone who likes to keep up with current RfAs but is tired of watchlisting the WT:RFA circular arguments. ~ mazca ^{t| c} 12:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Damnit, I don't watch WT:RFA - I don't watch any of the drama boards - and I miss what resulted from this :( Actually the only ANpage I watch is this one :) StarM 22:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You didn't miss anything. I predicted that subthreads and arbitrary breaks would be created, I asked that no one respond to my post, within an hour literally everything I predicted would happen did happen, and it got archived, forever in the dustbin of wiki-lore. Great laugh for old keeper though while it lasted. Wasn't even drinking! Keeper | 76 02:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind my comment underneath yours at WT:RFA. It's meant in good humor, and to reflect pretty much complete agreement with you. Townlake ( talk) 00:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I hope you are also revelling in the irony of the multiple posts (some taking me seriously even though I said "don't", and some responding even though I specifically said "dont". My point is getting proven exactly. Keeper | 76 01:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Re your post... It's entirely true that WT:RFA is pointless and a time sink, primarily for people who want to be admins and admins who can't get away. Some people, myself included, keep tabs on some discussions and comment once in awhile primarily to keep the revolving cast of regulars from thinking they've "passed" random half thought out proposals. There seem to be one or two a week there, because I guess everyone believes 'fixing the system' needs just one good idea and they've got it. Avruch ^T 01:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if anything's even unproductively come of it recently, either. It's not like we've even re-agreed on an already-implemented proposal or anything... there's just been some discussion on how people don't like things but aren't going to stop them, or how to implement things that nobody can agree need implementing. ~ mazca ^{t| c} 02:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Bah... blank it, redirect to WP:RfA, and uber-protect... let RfA be about RfA, not discussions that rarely have anything to do with RfA... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I actually have little happy tears in my eyes from laughing at the ridiculousness of the replies. Wikipedians, in general, just do not grasp irony ^{citation needed}. This has made for a pleasant evening for me. Good to be back.  :-) Keeper | 76 02:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

We should definately blank your comment about blanking the page, and pretend it never happened... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 03:00, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I honestly can't believe it hasn't been archived yet. I'm so enjoying the discourse with AnonDiss though. Absolutely priceless, IMHO. Keeper | 76 03:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you've enjoyed it. Of course I see the irony, Keeper; don't think I'm quite that oblivious. ;-) I was just questioning why you thought it would be a constructive thing to do. And you've said it above - for a laugh. Cheers, — Anonymous Dissident ^Talk 05:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I've archived it, hope you don't mind. We wouldn't want it to become too much of a "time sink". :D — Anonymous Dissident ^Talk 05:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries, anondiss. I enjoyed every minute of that. There was a semi-serious lesson in my gibberish (there usually is, in a sort of "confucius say" kind of way). But I fully expected the flaming - nay, I predicted it in writing even. Thanks for playing! :-) Keeper | 76 02:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - and redirect to AN/K... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 03:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

• Skip the redirect bit, I'd say. – Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 03:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

just delete it? but what would be the fun in that? Without WT:RFA, where would people go to complain discuss policy? - Adolphus79 ( talk) 03:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow...watch AN/K explode with comments...almost just like the grand ol' times of yesteryear. :-) Keeper, we miss you, and I don't think many would complain if you decided to come back.... — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:00, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I might. Complain, that is. Keeper | 76 04:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

If we begged and pleaded would you? — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

So long as someone mentions baseball in each thread, he is compelled to log in... he's got a magic orange bar on his IP that watches for the word to be mentioned here... ;) - Adolphus79 ( talk) 04:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

perhaps I should designate StarM as the official "I will respond to all queries on this page" person. I hate to see her own talk page surpass this one. Of course be warned TC, if I ever catch you claiming that your geriatric team will be better than my non-geritol team, I'll remove you from your post. Or perhaps, I'll just remove your posts.  :-)

LOL. I just want real baseball. I can't get into the WBC and have never really watched Spring Training. Was watching the Cubbies and Pale Hose yesterday just because there was nothing else on. ANK must be all about baseball, isn't it in the rules? :) I'm going to see the Twinkies on their first trip through, I think. Week of May 16th. Should be fun. I'll always remember a game vs. the Twins shortly after Pags left. Great sign, Forever a Yankee. Was so happy to see Phil Hughes sent packing yesterday. StarM 18:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

ETA, I lied. I'm watching tonight's game despite the fact that I think a Sunday night game is insane. StarM 01:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Now that my march madness bracket has blown up in my face, I'm back to MLBN when I have tv time, which isn't much lately. Not sure what games I'll get to squeeze in live this year - but there will definitely be a first game for my 3 yr old son, gotta be sure he experiences the homerdome before it goes the way of the tumbleweeds (fyi, minneapolis isn't tearing it down. Vikings have a lease for another bazillion years or so. It will be a hopping place around 8 days per year...) Keeper | 76 02:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, Team USA stunk up the joint tonight. Yet I watched. Yu Darvish is scary to watch, and he's only 22? Didn't realize the Vikings weren't moving to the new place. Drove by the new Yankee Stadium yesterday with a friend -- hadn't been that close since the last game last season because I don't drive much. I'm torn. It looks nice, but it doesn't look the same. It's not my stadium. I don't reemember the pre 1975ish Yankee Stadium so I'm sure others are whinging. As I said to Bugs somewhere -- I think there were problems with the old Stadium but not insurmountable ones -- turned into a pissing contest with then the Mets wanting one - and Jets and Giants once West Side Stadium failed. Ugh. Kinda hoping tearing down Shea already comes to bite the Mets in the ass if there's something wrong at Citifield. My March Madness isn't too bad. 38/48 good for a tie for fourth in my league. Not bad considering I know sweet fuck all about college basketball and chose at random. Plus it helps to have two alma maters who don't play competitve sports :) StarM 04:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents#Incivil personal attacks from Malleus Fatuorum. Thank you. Ipatrol ( talk) 21:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

What is the point of canvassing everyone for something that was a mute point a while ago? For the sake of everyone else's watchlist, please drop this silliness... no one attacked you, you made a silly proposal, and everyone responded in kind... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 00:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, what the??? This section doesn't have anything about baseball??!!?? Has no one taught Ipatrol the rules here? Strike one, new friend. PS. The rules are listed above. One of the main other rules if you won't talk baseball is SAVE THE DRAMA FOR YOUR MAMA. This post of yours would then be, of course, Strike two. Bringing an ANI post here to see who else can get involved in your drama is rather warm. (read: not cool). And of course, understanding the fundamental rules of baseball, that means you have one strike remaining. But don't worry, nothing happens, other than considerable personal ridicule, if you strike out. Keeper | 76 02:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

No... I'm quite sure it's strike 3 for not being able to link his own spam correctly, and strike 4 for forum shopping... the AN/I thread was opened after he had already been told to calm down and get over it at WQA... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Strike 5!!! The thread at AN/I was marked resolved 2 minutes before this canvassing was posted! ROFL - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

(e'c trying to give out more strikes - I was just about to come here to give him strike 3 for the bad link. Can't even find the darn AN post. Where is it? Forum shopping, eh? Guy gets a response at his wt:rfa post that insinuates that he is perhaps quite young, and the response is a brilliant display of maturity bouncing around wikipedia pages making sure the stink don't leave the shit! That oughtta cover the maturity question. May as well have thrown out a few "Am so's" and "I know you are but what am I's"... Keeper | 76 02:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the link when I gave strike 3... and strike 6 for not using the "Nuh-uh" or "Uh-huh" arguement at WQA... and strike 1 to Keep for not noticing the link had been fixed... :P - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Strike 1 to Adolphus for giving the keeper a strike. You can't give the umpire a strike, it only forces him to expand the strike zone. And you fixed the link while I was bloody edit conflicting with you adding strikes to Ipatrol. Strike two, creating edit conflicts. Keeper | 76 02:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

(undent) Bah! Strike 2 to Keeper... Get used to it kid, if yer gonna hang out around here yer gonna need to get used to edit conflicts... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

You forget so soon grasshopper that you had already received a strike for mentioning She that isn't to be named. Funny though, I was just wondering the other day how different this country would be if she and the maverick had won the election. We'd still be in a shithole of a mess, but at least the late night talk shows would be entertaining. Instead, we have an untouchable politician that is a respected guest... Keeper | 76 03:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

You're watching the wrong shows Keeper. The shows I watch make a lot of fun of Obama et al (Stewart, Colbert etc). Hope you are well. Kek15 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.113.176 ( talk) 18:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'm going on strike. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 03:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, if y'all are handing out strikes, can I give runs for making me laugh? (Uhhh, runs in the baseball sense of the term, not the hurrying to the water closet sense...) Aleta ^Sing 03:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

no... no runs... there is no laughing here... AN/K is serious... you and the frog above you can either take this seriously or go back to WT:RFA... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 03:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• I would just like to point out that there is no such thing as a " mute point", only a moot point. – xeno ( talk) 12:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Keeps, I was wondering what you and the TPS's would think of this edit. For non admins the author correctly tagged his article with {{db-attack}}. Ϣere SpielChequers 12:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Probably was adding to his attack page whilst it was deleted, so he saved it as a new page with the tag. – xeno ( talk) 12:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Sup Keep! I just realized you took your wiki break around when I took mine. Why you go on break anyway? What do you think: Yanks in 09? -- Endless dan and his problem 19:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Gawd I hope not, but the purple can have him--- I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 23:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Classic signs of denial. :) Glass Cobra 07:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Conference I was at this weekend didn't have Cutler in purple but rather the Vikings following the Lakers west. Odd. StarM 00:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Football talk is forbidden here until post-October. I don't want Cutler or his coach. Bunch of whiney millionaires, grumble grumble grumble... Keeper | 76 01:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

whiny drama queen too. Play Ball, I'll be at the Stadium tomorrow and Saturday. StarM 04:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

All TPSs using Windows should run it today. Enigma ^msg 04:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

...that I love you all. Super srs. Glass Cobra 12:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

No one left me any love notes for this glorious first day of April... I just got some whiny IP user insulting me... just for that I'm going to mention MILFs and balls again, and see how long it takes Keeper to log in... - Adolphus79 ( talk) 15:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Someone link me something from April 1st? I never got a chance to log in, missed any potential zaniness or tomfoolery. Any sign of Kurt Weber? He made some hefty promises last fall.... Keeper | 76 01:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, only 10 hours... prety good turn around there, boss... ;) - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

So far, all I've found digging around is the same lame rfa stuff from last year and mfd nominations. yawn. anything interesting? Keeper | 76 02:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Nope... nothing here... I haven't even had a chance to do any real work today... I've had to deal with a whiny IP vandal all day instead... wanna trade? - Adolphus79 ( talk) 02:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Back to my hole I go, then. I should have guessed. Lots of pranks, then some edits by some srs editors that say wikipedia is not the place for such foolery, then some retorts to lighten up and take a joke. Then some massive archiving and mfd noms of silly pages. And now it's april 2nd. I was hoping for Kurt's return, quite honestly. No sign of it. I guess that was the joke? Keeper | 76 02:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

OK so I missed Opening Day, the official holiday of the Keeper-pedia, but the sentiment was here. StarM 23:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Twins game # two of the season -- down two runs in the bottom of the ninth. Two outs. Nobody on base. Then, three consecutive walks from the Mariners closer. Then an infield single that scores a run (that's SO twins style - what other team can get an infield single in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded with two outs, when a fielder touching any base can record an out and end the game????) Then a single to the outfield scoring two more runs, Twins win. This is going to be a good season. Keeper | 76 05:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Coincidentally, I'm going to see their farm team next week. :) Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 11:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I had to search to find out who was new on Keeperpedia! Good to see you around Sam. I'm not even going to try and guess what Cunkelfratz means :-) Keeper | 76 18:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Same to you, thanks for giving me a new meaning to the word social networking. It's pure gibberish. An IP on the Simple English Wikipedia actually thought it was German. Deutsch? Ich habe keine! Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 23:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Well the Yankees offense is working so far and it was good to see the pitchers work too. I refused to panic, we weren't going 162-0 and contrary to popular panic, St. CC wasn't going 25-0 either. Sad news out of Anahemi re: Nick Adenhart. Amazing to think that someone born in 1986 can die. So young, so sad. New stadium is phenomenal, but a damn wind tunnel. Happy Easter/Passover/Nothing but a weekend, whatever your (non)holiday of choice is. My personal favorite is my friend's nephew's understanding at age 3. Easter is when Jesus comes back as the bunny?

Amen. He's in my thoughts. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 23:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey. I have sent an article you deleted back in March 2008 to deletion review. The discussion can be founde here. Regards, Giant Snowman 18:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

My RFA passed today at 61/5/4. Thanks for participating in my RFA. I appreciate all the comments I received and will endeavor to justify the trust the WP community has placed in me. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift ( talk) 21:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

User:Keeper76/Archive 17 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Keeper76/Archive 17's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Keeper76/Archive 17! Peace, Rlevse ~ A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, Keeper! — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! I read Rlevse's edit summary as "Happy your gay!" and found it both ungrammatical and surprising. ;)~ mazca ^{t| c} 01:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Heh. First Biblio, now Rlevse. Apparently all I had to do was stop all major editing for 6 months, then I get days named after me.  :-) I should run for crat! Keeper | 76 13:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to go inactive for at least a year before we even think about it ;)  GARDEN  11:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats, and your RfB should be all set to go in just five months! Enigma ^msg 11:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

albeit not the kind I liked. I was at the Stadium and stayed until the very last out. Also seriously? Some really ass backwards division standings. StarM 02:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

14 runs in one inning. First time ever in the second inning, and the most surrendered at Yankee field ever in one single inning. Gotta love the new ballpark. Shall we begin the "Curse of the New Yank Stade" rumors now, or is it too early? Speaking of baseball (what else is there to speak of?), I shut off a Twins game in the 7th inning when my boys were trailing 9-4. I never turn off the Twins. Jason Kubel, amongst the rest of his cycle for the night, hits a grand slam in the 8th, Twins win 11-9. WTF, Keeper. Don't ever turn off the twins. Good gravy, man. You own a DVR... Keeper | 76 21:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Nope, no curse. Actually quite like the new stadium, and they were 2-0 there vs. the Cubs too. New stadium is overall an improvement (whether needed or not is another story), with very few things I don't like. Bummer on the come back yo missed. I missed seeing Swish pitch the other day because I turned it off early. Today was much better. Had lunch with some friends at Mickey Mantle's on Central Park South and the place went nuts with every hit. Cody Random FTW, and Mark Teixeira played some awesome defense, though it's swisher who reminds me of Donnie Baseball. I see your boys in a couple of weeks. Should be fun. StarM 00:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Would it really have killed them to play a bit better today? and why on earth am I scoreboard watching in April? StarM 01:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I took a peek at the Twinkies of the Future. Weren't too bad...only allowed a game-tying grand slam in the 9th and walked in the winning run in the 11th. Oh well, some things are just part of life. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 01:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

My friends go to Redwings games often, as they live near Rochester. When I was at school there, I think they were the Orioles' farm team. Scranton recently gutted the Redwings as well. I like the PawSox stadium, good seats. Never knew it had a name though StarM 01:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No ground-level seating though. Rochester is Twins now, and i saw a lot of former Rock Cats players there. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 02:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Love minor league ball. Want to see the Brooklyn Cyclones and Staten Island Yankees this year. Used to love going to see the Hudson Valley Renegades, but haven't been up that way in a while. StarM 02:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Keeper, I was going to write you a note, but I see you're on a long wiki-break. Oh well, if you do stop by, I left a note on Moni3's talk page here you might be interested in. Hope you're enjoying your break. Take Care. — Ched :  ?  16:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Like them both, CitiField surprised me more I think, maybe because I hadn't paid attn to construction and obsessive commentary. Really reminds me of photos of Ebbets. Yankees/Sox see-saw is killing me but may I remind Sox fans, it's April and there are 17+ games remaining between them and ~140 in the season. Actually less Sox fans than stupid announcers predicting World Series now. StarM 23:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Oiii. How come you don't keep in good contact with Fritzpoll anymore? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey Mr. Baldy - see the box at the top of the page. Nothing personal against F-poll (or anyone else for that matter) Keeper | 76 03:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Heh - more importantly, why am I not here more often. I understand the desire to get back to gnoming around and not having to deal with the admin aspect of this place. Ever thought of just handing back the tools? Anyway, I'm pottering along, how are you doing? Oh, also, I'm getting married! I proposed Friday, she said yes. It's nice in this day and age to find young women still willing to do charity work... Fritzpoll ( talk) 07:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats to you on the whole marriage thing - it's a lot of work, but very rewarding work :-) I'm doing just fine as well, I really haven't had time for Wiki (obviously) lately. I probably could turn in the tools, I certainly ain't using them. Of course, it isn't like there's a limit on how many toolsets are handed out, I'm not exactly preventing someone else from getting a try. Right now, I'm not even really doing much gnoming either, just checking in on the talkpage once and a way to b.s. about baseball and get updates. Poke my head in at rfa to see if there is anyone worth supporting, etc. I'll be back someday, I'm starting to miss the place. Starting. Keeper | 76 15:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it looks like I tripped over you on the protection of Arsenio Hall. Just letting you know that I wasn't trying to second-guess you or anything... Let me know if you'd rather go back to the original period of 3 days, it's not a big deal to me either way. Alexius Horatius 05:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

No worries - 3 days or 5. Either option gives the TiVo-ers time to watch Leno, attempt to vandalize AH's page, and then move along. I was watching the program myself, heard Arsenio say what he said, said dammit, and logged in... Keeper | 76 14:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks, Iridescent. Tan | 39 19:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually active, and I still got beat to the answer...go figure. and an edit conflict to boot! Separate subject, what do you think of Stafford? Boom or bust? Keeper | 76 19:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

(( edit conflict), that brings back memories) I made {{ divcols}} (defaults to 2 cols) (divcols|end at the end) so I didnt have to remember that. – xeno ^talk 19:09, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

And Xeno wins the shiny! Keeper | 76 19:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I hope boom, but given the Lions draft history, I'd bet the paycheck on bust. He's going to be starting behind Culpepper, who everyone is raving about because he lost 25 pounds in the offseason. I don't recall a single instance anywhere in the annals of the NFL where a washed-up player made a roaring comeback simply because he put down the fork for a few months. This means that as soon as the Lions lose three straight (which will happen fast), Detroit fans will clamor to start Stafford. Stafford, who would have benefited from two years behind a stellar QB, will go 1-3 before people declare him a bust and demand we start Stanton or Orlovsky. Lather, rinse, repeat. Tan | 39 19:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent answer. We purple bleeders seem to think bringing in our own washed up overpaid player could solve our problems as well. Gee, haven't we been here before? Don't we ever learn?? Keeper | 76 19:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

and we have the will he or won't he in NY with Sanchez too. Now all of a sudden Clemens is ahead of the guy the Jets traded up to get. So trade the idea of pinning hopes on a former great for untested kid. Yeah, there's some logic, yet I trust Rex Ryan more than Mangini - and hey if they Jets flounder it's less attention on my boys :) Keeper, I thought about you when I was reading Tailgaiting, Sacks and Salary Caps talking about the old Met and what a great thing the Metrodome was meant to be and how they weren't sure how much life it had remaining. Needless to say that was written before they started work on the new nstadium. StarM 02:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I only have myself to blame for prematurely bringing up football. Twins just beat the Tigers tonight. Sorry, tan, if your Detroit loyalties also include the other letdowns. Haven't read that book, TC - I'll look for it - sounds fascinating! Keeper | 76 03:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I really hate to butt into a conversation but I just needed to say one thing...my Redskins are gonna bury all of your teams. Just saying :)--( NGG) 03:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

^{citation needed} – Juliancolton |  ^Talk 17:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

LOL Julian, I agree. Redskins do a damn good job of burying themselves, at least :) Keeper, it's an awesome book. Still need a PhD in caponomics to understand some of the game's financiala, but I found it intriguing. StarM 23:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Holy hell. I had this same question on this same day. Craziness. Next time I'll just ask here... or, damn, I can do it on my own talk page, I bet. Blondes. >_> لenna vecia 03:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

and you guys call yourselves baseball fans...

for shame, imo. [6] i don't even watch basebell!!! – xeno ^talk 00:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

and I don't speak poker? StarM 01:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

damn, I fail at diffs. [7] – xeno ^talk 02:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

the wind up, the pitch, the count 3 -2 ... thank you for getting this song in my head :) StarM 02:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

lolzeno. [8]. I always type that too :P J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 02:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

maybe he's really a xebra? Best excuse I can think of :p More entertaining than losing again StarM 02:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone else hate the fact that this dude went to the Evil Empire, and does anyone else like that that team is not doing good right now? :) — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 02:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You really fault a player for going where they're going to earn the most? That's human nature and applies to athletes and non. It's May 5th, there are ~130 games to go. Nothing means anything now, and I'd say the same if they were undefeated. People need to quit celebrating now and that includes the nonsense announcers talking about who's going to start the All Star game. Joba looked great tonight though with 12 Ks in 5 2/3 StarM 03:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with what Ed says. Then again, I am a Tribe fan, and we're doing just as bad.. I love seeing the Yanks suffer. Wizardman 04:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

<outdent>Just as a general reminder to all: I'm a huge Twins fan. I watch every game. However, my RL schedule precludes me from watching most games at their scheduled times, hence the DVR. If anyone announces a Twins score (for example, I haven't watched tonights Baltimore/Twins game), they will be summarily banned from editing this page. I might be joking. I might not. Go Twins! Keeper | 76 04:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

They lost, 22 to -1. — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Bastard. Keeper | 76 04:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

;D — Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 06:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I admire your patience, I know I'd never have it if I DVRed so I end up watching, ewatching gameday if I'm near a computer or my BBerry, or just getting score StarM 12:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)