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I am writing to ask about your reversion of my addition (by ozzie42, 3 Jan 2014) to the Wikipedia article "Moses". The text of the addition was:
The biblical Battle of Jericho occurred shortly after the death of Moses, and archeology of Jericho suggests this may have occurred around 1560 BCE; a date of 1399 BCE has been suggested from a possible astronomical reference in Midrash Rabbinic literature. [1]
The addition was placed after the following line about when Moses lived: Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391–1271 BCE;[6] Jerome gives 1592, and Ussher 1619 as birthyear.[7]
Your reversion note says:
(removing this, the archaeology actually suggests this didn't take place although a Creationist archaeologist disputes this)
This note briefly mentions the archeology part of the addition, but does not say anything about the part that refers to a possible astronomical date for the death of Moses. This work was published (full disclosure: by me and a colleague, since deceased) in a respected, and refereed, astronomical journal (see reference in the addition; article can be read on-line at http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2011Obs...131..248M). I would argue that the date of Moses death derived there is at least as reliable as the sources you allow: Sedar Olam, Jerome, and the Ussher chronology. The birth and death dates of Moses are of much interest, but in dispute. I feel having the various pieces of evidence in the article (including the controversial archeology) makes this section of the Moses article more complete.
Note: I have not used this talk feature of Wikipedia before.
Looking forward to your response,
Hello,
Your response to my question above was:
"You want to use T. J. Manetsch, W. Osborn: Can the Date of Moses’ Death be Determined Astronomically? The Observatory as a source. Let's see if it meets WP:RS and WP:VERIFY. First, it's not published in a peer reviewed journal.[1]. Not an impassible barrier, so who are the authors? This is Osborne [2] - he may be considered an expert on observational astronomy but not having read the paper I don't know what expertise is basically used in it. Who is the main author, "T. J. Manetsch"? Then there is WP:WEIGHT - does anyone actually mention this in a book or journal that meets our criteria? I can't find anything for that. What you can do of course is ask at Talk:Moses what others think, or WP:RSN. Oh - don't leave contact information lying around. Dougweller (talk) 16:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC)"
I don't want to quibble, but we should be correct in our facts. "The Observatory" IS a peer reviewed journal. That is what, in my field, "refereed" means when the journal was mentioned in my first post. This can be easily checked. The suitability of referencing the Observatory article in the Moses wikipedia piece can best be judged by reading the paper. A link was provided. Following your suggestion, I'll post this to the talk:Moses site to see what comes up.
Hi, thanks for pointing out slips caused by me in spree to add references, 'by Wikipedians' one was especially a blunder. BTW 'ezosoft' one was not my contribution (atleast not during this spree) and seems to be existant on the article since long. I have removed non RS citations pointed by you. Thanks again.-- Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider t c s 17:39, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Dougweller, how can you claim that a user being canvassed doesn't make their opinion tainted? You are defying common sense. I thought that you might deny the fact that Johnbod and Haploidavey were canvassed, which I thought would have been a much easier strategy, but (implicitly) admitting that they were indeed canvassed and trying to justify their involvement despite that? Come on, let's be realistic. Of course a canvassed user has no legitimacy and of course they should abstain from the discussion. To suggest otherwise is sheer folly. ( WP Editor 2011 ( talk) 12:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC))
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There is no way that I can self-revert an edit summary after it is saved. 172.129.246.164 ( talk) 15:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
There can be administrative action about the ancient North African race controversy, which you closed at WP:ANI, if it includes ancient Egypt, because that issue is under discretionary sanctions. However, I agree that the main issue was allegations of racism as such, which are personal attacks, and are blockable with or without discretionary sanctions. Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:10, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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== Conversation with Cubaking Cubaking ( talk) 15:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I am posting this here as I understand I am supposed to.
January 2014[edit]
Stop icon This is your only warning; if you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Please stop adding your book (or your name) to pages. You are clearly here to promote your book, which is in any case self-published so should not be added to articles. Dougweller (talk) 13:37, 31 January 2014 (UTC) Response[edit]
Sir, Thank you for your concern. Indeed I have added my books (that you have now removed). First of all policing one author on my subject (Cuban Lucumi) and one alone is not balanced. Therefore, I respectfully question your motive and lack of balance. Secondly, I resent and dispute your statement " You are clearly here to promote your book," as I contribute to my religion that I am a senior practitioner of not only here, but all over the net. (Example) Revision[edit] Iboru Iboya, My immediate problem with this page is a lack of resources other than Chief S. Solagbade. I'm sure even S. Solabade would agree that there are many roads to knowledge and the absence of any other authors looks at best suspicious. Furthermore, there is no further reading to stimulate or acknowledge ANY other experts (or Babalawos for that matter). For those editors reading this do note the title of "Chief" (sic Yoruba) is often honorary among the Yoruba tribes :[1] I point this out simply for the unenlightened and mean no disrespect to S. Solabade. The text is OK and concise. Religion and even titles are often controversial and I like the fact it was seemingly written with this in mind. Certainly it could be expanded, yet each expansion MAY bring controversy. One difficulty in discussing this page is that the author is either from the African branch of Orisha/ Orisa worship and the majority of Orisha worshipers in the US belong to the Cuban system. Of course ANY author has to be from a particular branch, yet I'd humbly suggest to have the page a bit more balanced. About 45- 50% of the page is dedicated to the subject of Women in IFA and while this is an important issue, personally I do not think it warrants this much of the page. "Awo's" just pops up with little lead in that Baba means father and lawo means (sic/ of mysteries or secrets)....yet for the unenlightened seeing Awo is confusing... so that could be cleaned up. I'd like to see more on the Odu, something addressing the US, Cuba and Brazil, Lucumi and certainly more on IFA. Finally, the author gives a late opinion that William Bascom ( who was certainly AN expert) was THE FOREMOST....and that as we know should at the least be ONE OF THE FOREMOST.....Really, there are plenty of subtopics that are NOT controversial, Ikin for example, or they might talk about the Iro Ifa etc. The author uses the phrase "diving chain" (Opele) yet he or she does not tell the reader what that is, only what it is used for. Kola nuts though less common in the US are also used in Africa and this is not mentioned. We see a word "Ajogun" with no explanation." no one can not become a full Awo " (double negative AND I think he/she meant no one can become....The page worries me because it is VERY close to being non neutral. Awo Ogbe Sa Cubaking (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC) Cubaking (talk) 09:16, 31 March 2011 (UTC) Furthermore, I would be quite surprised if it is a policy with no exceptions that self published authors are not credible (sic). There are many who are for many valid reasons such as the lag with a traditional publisher, or control over things like translations. Finally, I am a credentialed senior Baba Awo, and know of no other Lucumi authors who have reached my rank, and that makes me noteworthy. I do not like defending myself or tooting my own horn, however it seems I must, and thus I shall. However first, I understand you are an anthropologist, and if you look at the back cover of either of the two books I added (that have been on Wiki for several years) you will notice that my book was written with the help and blessings of the Museum of Anthropology in Havana and with the blessing of the Ministry of Culture. You can reference my page at Academia.edu or scribd, or several Facebook groups, or a multitude of other sites on the Net. Perhaps you are an expect on Lucumi, Ifa, Yoruba people and post under another pseudonym that I would recognize you by. Yet this is my field and I have earned my position as I share here for you to see. Minimally I am at least as qualified and most practitioners would agree I am more qualified than many of the authors Wiki (and you) are allowing to continue to taut their on works on the exact same pages as you deleted mine from. Should you or others like personal references either in Yorubaland from sitting Araba and Ogboni or leaders of Rama in Cuba, or Latin America, I would be delighted to share them with you or a bureaucrat or the appeal board. Finally, I hope we can clear this up and contribute together on this site. Cubaking (talk) 07:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC) My Lucumi Credentials (English and Spanish) Residencias: Nogales, Sonora, Mexico / Centro Habana Godfather/ Padrino & Oluwa Siwaju Larzaro Pijuan (ogunda oworin) Rama Che che (Habana) Ile IFA: La Casa Templo Ifalowo (100+ Awo) Odu ogbe sa, ogunda di, odi ka Cuchillo / Baba Awo October 3, 2007, otura sa Hijo de Aggayu & Oshun Trabajo : Journalist, writer, author / escritor Libros: Nature's Ancient Religion: IFA & Orisha worship (ingles) ; Ifa y los Orishas: La Religion Antigua de la Naturaleza (espanol) 328 paginas Articulos: muchas Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Orunmila Groupos de Facebook: Lucumi info; Ibile Faith Society; Maria's Spiritual Awareness; Orisha -Space; Telegantolodu; Santeria; Odu access network; Ifa es para hombres; Exploratory Task Committee; ATR / YTR Bunco Squad. Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=50448906&trk=tab_pro Blog: http://bilingual.sulekha.com/default.htm email: CubaKing@gmail.com Sitio del web : http://www.amazon.com/Charles-Spencer-King/e/B002ELIWKI/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1 Aboru Aboye Greetings and my respect to all. Our religion is a positive and a beautiful celebration with Nature. Our religion is deeply rooted in education and service to The Irunmole/ Orisa, IFA, and Ancestors. I choose to recognize the contributions of not only the various noble traditions of greater Yorubaland, but each and all who were created and honored in diaspora. I recognize that there are differences (largely in mechanics), yet these differences that identify us are minuscule compared to the many similarities and values that we share. Concepts like: ori; ase; and iwa pele, IFA, odu, etc. These define us all over the world, as do the traditions that have centuries of rich history we should all respect and share. Unlike some, I do not seek to merge the storied histories of our traditions into one "super" religion. I support and defend each tradition in greater Yorubaland and diaspora, I respect their rights and obligations to their practitioners and to operate autonomously, based on their individual traditions. * Saludos y mis respetos para todos. Nuestra religión es una relación positiva y una hermosa celebración con la naturaleza. Nuestra religión está profundamente arraigada en la educación y el servicio a la Irunmole / Orisa, IFA, y sus ancestros. Elijo para reconocer las contribuciones no sólo de las diversas tradiciones nobles de Yoruba mayor, pero cada uno ya todos los que fueron creados y honrado en la diáspora.Reconozco que hay diferencias (en gran medida en la mecánica), sin embargo, estas diferencias que nos identifican son minúsculos en comparación con las muchas similitudes y valores que compartimos. Conceptos como: Ori; ASE, Iwa pele , IFA, ODU, etc. Estos nos definen en todo el mundo, al igual que las tradiciones que tienen siglos de rica historia que debemos todo el respeto y compartir. A diferencia de muchos, que no buscan fusionar los historiales de pisos de nuestras tradiciones en un "súper" la religión. Que apoyaré y defenderé cada una tradición en la mayor Yoruba y de la diáspora, yo respeto a sus derechos y obligaciones a sus profesionales y para funcionar de forma autónoma, con base en sus tradiciones individuales.
My camino is to promote, defend, and assist each and every branch (tradition) that was born from greater Yorubaland, or in diaspora from greater Yorubaland concepts and ideals. I believe that through mutual respect, admiration, communication, interaction, education and fair and equal representation our world and our traditional based religions will flourish and improve. I strongly advocate the godparent - godchild relationship, respect for the elders, the cooperation of and working with in addition to respect for, the ocha - IFA relationship.
Mi camino es el de promover, defender y ayudar a todos y cada rama (la tradición) que nació de una mayor Yoruba, o en la diáspora Yoruba de mayores conceptos e ideales. Creo que a través del respeto mutuo, la admiración, la comunicación, la interacción, la educación y la representación justa y equitativa de nuestro mundo y nuestras religiones tradicionales basadas va a florecer y mejorar. Que defendemos con firmeza el padrino - ahijado relación, el respeto por los ancianos, la cooperación y el trabajo con, además de al respeto de la OCHA - relación de IFA. My GENERAL ABSOLUTES
1) There is no such thing as mail order, telephone or internet credentials or ceremonies. To receive credentials of ceremonies, one must be face to face. Unlike other forms of divination IFA should be face to face * Exception: If and only if there has been a significant history of face to face divination a reading can be done via phone or internet or mail. Accepted Example: A godchild who is in Iraq asks their godparent in La Habana for a reading on an important matter.There MUST be a significant history of face to face divination. 2) There is no absolute for an error, be it in a ceremony or with one's credentials, each case is handled individually. There is no substitute for education, education is perpetual as we are all students with much to learn. 3) Respect is earned not given blindly,yet rank is important as is tenure and must be observed once credentials are verified. All elders obviously have tenure, yet earned rank is ultimately the last word. That being said, tenure is much more cherished, revered and respected than rank. 4) IFA needs Orisha (Irunmole) worship just as Orisha worship needs IFA, the two should walk hand in hand. Beware of those that seek to circumvent IFA, they have a personal agenda, 5) ONLY three or more qualified IFA priests can confirm with Orunmila who is our ruling Orisha and what is One's ruling Odu. 6) A minimum of 16 qualified IFA priests are required to confirm an IFA priest 7) There are no substitutes for sacrifices as one "college" suggests 8) Orisha worship and IFA do not see skin color,or gender, but they do see character (ori/iwa pele). 9) Orisha worship and IFA are not exclusionary religions or ways of life, unlike some forms of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, they can and do sometimes compliment other forms of veneration. 10) Nature is a central theme of both IFA and Orisha worship and is to be cherished, respected and nurtured whenever possible. Never should you see any follower of our religion litter, pollute or disrespect any part of Nature. 11) Ashe (Ase) is a form of transferable positive energy that can be found in natural things be they alive or dead or inanimate such as a rock or non living seashell. Ashe is acquirable through knowledge and transferable with much more knowledge. 12) Man was made in the image of the Orishas (Irunmole), not visa versa. 13) Ire and Osogbo are of equal power, but what can always tip the balance for Ire is Ashe, because of this, light is ultimately stronger than darkness. There is no such thing as negative Ashe. 14) There are many excellent forms of divination, yet the most complete is IFA when used by a trained IFA priest or priestess, 15) Ikin are the preferred tool for divination 16) The diviner's skill is not only in how many Odu messages, Pataki, and Ebbo they know, but in matching the correct Odu to a question or situation, matching the correct ese (verse) and pataki (legend) to describe it and matching the correct Ebbo/ebo (cure) to find the answer or solution. *****************
Mis ABSOLUTOS GENERALES 1) No hay tal cosa como correo para las credenciales, por teléfono o Internet o ceremonias. Para recibir las credenciales de las ceremonias, hay que ser cara a cara.A diferencia de otras formas de adivinación Ifa debe ser cara a cara * Excepción: Si y sólo si ha habido una historia significativa de cara a cara la adivinación de una lectura que se puede hacer por teléfono o por Internet o por correo. Aceptado Ejemplo: un ahijado que está en Irak pide a su padrino en La Habana para una lectura en un matter.There importante tiene que ser una historia importante de cara a cara la adivinación. 2) No hay absoluta de un error, ya sea en una ceremonia o con las propias credenciales, cada caso se maneja de forma individual. No hay sustituto para la educación, la educación es permanente mientras que son todos los estudiantes con mucho que aprender. 3) El respeto se gana no se da a ciegas, sin embargo, el rango es importante como es la tenencia y debe ser observado una vez se verifiquen las credenciales. Todos los ancianos, obviamente, tiene la tenencia, el rango es en última instancia, sin embargo, ganó la última palabra. Dicho esto, la tenencia es mucho más apreciado, venerado y respetado que el rango. 4) IFA necesita Orisha (Irunmole) adoran al igual que el culto orisha necesita IFA, los dos deben caminar de la mano. Tenga cuidado con aquellos que tratan de eludir la IFA, que tienen una agenda personal, 5) Sólo tres o más Awo de Ifá calificados puede confirmar con Orunmila, que es nuestro Orisha gobernante y lo que es uno de Odu gobierna. 6) Un mínimo de 16 Awo de Ifá cualificados son necesarios para confirmar un sacerdote de Ifá 7) No hay sustitutos para los sacrificios como una "universidad", sugiere 8) el culto orisha y el IFA no se ve color de la piel o el género, pero sí ver el carácter (ori / iwa pele). 9) el culto orisha y el IFA no son las religiones excluyentes o modos de vida, a diferencia de algunas formas de islamismo, el judaísmo y el cristianismo, se puede y se complementan a veces, otras formas de veneración. 10) La naturaleza es un tema central tanto de IFA y de culto orisha y es para ser apreciado, respetado y cultivado siempre que sea posible. Nunca debe usted ve cualquier seguidor de la religión de nuestra camada, contaminar o falta de respeto hacia cualquier parte de la naturaleza. 11) Ashe (ASE) es una forma de transferir energía positiva que se puede encontrar en las cosas naturales ya sea vivo o muerto o inanimado, como una piedra o concha marina vida no. Ashe es adquiribles a través del conocimiento y transferibles con mucho más conocimiento. 12) El hombre fue hecho a imagen de los Orishas (Irunmole) y no viceversa. 13) Ire y Osogbo son de igual potencia, pero lo que siempre se puede inclinar la balanza para Irlanda es Ashe, debido a esto, en última instancia, la luz es más fuerte que la oscuridad. No hay tal cosa como Ashe negativo. 14) Hay muchas formas excelentes de adivinación, sin embargo, el más completo es el IFA cuando se usa por un sacerdote o sacerdotisa entrenada IFA, 15) Ikin son la herramienta preferida para la adivinación 16) La habilidad del contador del tiempo no es sólo en la cantidad de mensajes ODU, Pataki, y Ebbo que saben, pero en el que coincida con el Odu correcta a una pregunta o una situación, igualando la correcta ESE (verso) y Pataki (leyenda) para describir y juego la correcta Ebbo / ebo (cura) para encontrar la respuesta o solución. Positions: 1) Women in IFA: I am PRO Women in IFA and for the equality of women in general. 2) I do not participate nor lead any ceremony where rank is involved outside of my own Ile in Havana, unless I am assisting my Godfather, Lazaro Pijuan. I do not preform consultations with others outside of my ile in Havana, nor do I use IFA for divination for anyone outside of my ile in Havana. I do not preform Ebbo (ebo) for anyone outside of my ile in Havana other than myself for a fee. I receive no fee's for any advice or divination. Should someone wish me to introduce them or arrange for a trip to Havana for them to receive a service and wish my company , I accept the cost of all transportation and taxes, lodging and food FOB Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. Should I be speaking publicly or attending a conference, I accept the costs of my transportation and taxes, lodgings and food, and a prearranged per diem fee. I have no Godchildren, nor plan to have any, as my Odu is educating the masses, not individuals one at a time. 3) Gays and Lesbians in IFA : Due to the fact that my ile IFA in Havana prohibits Gays and Lesbians admission to our ile IFA, my personal feelings are irrelevant, as I obey the taboo's of our ile. 4) Ode Remo vs Awo Falokun : I am presently neutral on this situation, although I have and will continue to commentate and agree or disagree with comments made by either Ode Remo and its members or Awo Falokun and or his supporters. (Examples: My note on gossiping and my note on Cyberbullying are direct rebuttals to Awo Falokun's stated opinions.) Having said I am neutral does not change the fact that Ode Remo has ruled on this matter and Awo Falokun has accepted their ruling. 5) IFA College: I am anti many of the teachings and mechanics of Phillip Neimark and IFA Foundation. Mr. Neimark has largely moved from Cuban Lucumi to Traditional Yoruba practice that he has torn apart and remade in his own image. He has yet to produce his Tradicional Yoruba credentials and identify where the allegded ase is from, nor his credentials of who trained him and the extent of his training. 6) I am anti any form of unification or merging of the various traditions of IFA and or Orisha worship (ocha) into one Super religion. 7) I am anti any opinions that one tradition (including but not limited to traditional practices in greater Yorubaland) is stronger, or more powerful than any other, for me they are simply different, neither is my public opinion that my beloved Lucumi stronger or more powerful than any other tradition inside or outside greater Yorubaland. 8) I am neutral on those who consult using other forms of divination besides IFA through Skype, mail order, letters, wire, or telephone, whereas IFA is always done face to face unless (see lone exception under General Absolutes #1). 9) I believe we each have ori (divine spirit somewhat like soul) yet I do not believe a ceremony is necessary to access it. 10) I strongly advocate education and continuing education, all IFA priests are students for life 11) I believe in the Irunmole and/ or Orisha (orisa) 12) I believe in the Ancestors or Eggun/ egun. I believe that all mankind worships these the same, thus I am a DNA supporter of Haplogroups and MT dating. Those that insist I am not black enough to worship my Eggun the same as Yoruba....I am anti their opinion. 13) I believe the Ancestors include lineage ancestors, and these are a significant component of the Ancestors. 14) I believe in the concept of Ashe/ ase that it is collectible and can be transferable after it is acquired if one has the knowledge 15) I believe in The Dead ( Los muertos) and separate them from the Ancestors 16) I believe in Odu IFA and the 16 Laws of IFA. I believe in Odu determining destiny (camino), I believe in celebrating and respecting Nature, as well as balance. I believe in supporting and defending those religions and ways of life that have tolerance and respect for the beliefs of others outside their faiths, and those who respect the right of those inside their faiths to study and investigate other religions or ways of life. For example: I do not respect Islam because of its intolerance, yet respect Hinduism and the Tao (to name two of many examples) because of their tolerance. Posiciones: 1) Las mujeres en IFA: Yo soy la mujer de PRO en IFA y por la igualdad de las mujeres en general. 2) que no participan, ni llevar a cualquier acto en el rango está involucrado fuera de mi propia Isla en La Habana, a menos que esté ayudando a mi padrino, Lázaro Hernández Pijuan. Me no preforma consultas con otras personas fuera de mi ile en La Habana, ni puedo usar IFA para la adivinación para cualquier persona fuera de mi ile de La Habana. No me preforma Ebbo (EBO) para cualquier persona fuera de mi ile de que no sea yo Habana por una tarifa. Que no reciben la cuota para cualquier consejo o adivinación. Si alguien me quiere para introducirlos o los arreglos para un viaje a La Habana para que reciban un servicio y desea mi compañía, yo acepto el costo de todo el transporte y los impuestos, alojamiento y comida FOB Nogales, Sonora, México.¿Debería hablar en público o de asistir a una conferencia, yo acepto los costos de mi transporte e impuestos, alojamiento y comida, y una tarifa preestablecida por viáticos.No tengo ahijados, ni tiene ningún plan para, como mi Odu es educar a las masas, no uno los individuos a la vez. 3) Gays y Lesbianas en IFA: Debido al hecho de que mi ile IFA en La Habana prohíbe a gays y lesbianas de admisión a nuestra Isla IFA, mis sentimientos personales son irrelevantes, ya que obedecen al tabú es de nuestro ile. 4) Ode Remo vs Awo Falokun: Actualmente soy neutral en esta situación, a pesar de que tienen y seguirán teniendo para ser comentados y estoy de acuerdo o en desacuerdo con las observaciones formuladas por cualquiera de Ode Remo y sus miembros o Falokun y Awo o de sus partidarios. (Ejemplos: mi nota sobre chismes y mi nota sobre ciberacoso son réplicas directas a opiniones vertidas Awo Falokun de.) Sin embargo, ha sido establecido por Ode Remo Falokun que no tiene las credenciales para dar a los demás ceremonias que implican rango o ase. Por lo tanto lamentablemente, cualquiera que haya recibido de la ase. AseFalokun adquiridos sin ningún valor, y obtuvo rango con ninguna credibilidad. 5) Colegio IFA: Yo estoy en contra de muchas de las enseñanzas y la mecánica de Phillip Neimark y la Fundación IFA. Sr. Neimark en gran medida ha pasado de Cuba lucumí de la práctica tradicional Yoruba que se ha desgarrado y rehecha en su propia imagen. Él todavía tiene que producir sus credenciales Tradicional Yoruba y identificar donde el ase es de allegded,ni sus credenciales de quien lo entrenó 6) Yo estoy en contra de cualquier forma de unificación o fusión de las diversas tradiciones de IFA y Orisha o adoración (OCHA) en una religión Super. 7) Yo estoy en contra de cualquier opinión que una tradición (incluyendo pero no limitado a las prácticas tradicionales en la mayor Yoruba) es más fuerte, o más poderoso que cualquier otro, para mí son simplemente diferentes, no es mi opinión de que mi amada Lucumí más fuerte o más poderosa que cualquier otra tradición dentro o fuera de mayor Yoruba. 8) Yo soy neutral en los que consultan con otras formas de adivinación, además de IFA a través de Skype, por correspondencia, cartas, cables, o por teléfono, mientras que la IFA se hace siempre cara a cara, a menos (véase la única excepción en Absolutos general n ° 1). 9) Yo creo que cada uno tiene Ori (espíritu divino algo así como el alma), pero no creo que un acto es necesario para acceder a ella. 10) que un fervoroso partidario de la educación y la formación continua, todos los sacerdotes de Ifá son los estudiantes para la vida 11) Creo en el Irunmole y / u orisha (orisha) 12) Creo que en los ancestros o eggun / egun. Creo que todos estos cultos la humanidad de la misma, por lo tanto soy un defensor de los haplogrupos del ADN y datación MT. Aquellos que insisten en que no soy lo suficientemente negro para adorar a mi Eggun el mismo Yoruba .... Yo estoy en contra de su opinión. 13) Creo que los antepasados son los antepasados del linaje, y que no todos los antepasados de sangre pertenecen al grupo conocido como los antepasados. 14) Yo creo en el concepto de Ashe / asa que es de colección y pueden ser transferibles después de que se adquiere si se tiene el conocimiento 15) Creo en The Dead (Los Muertos) y separarlos de los Ancestros 16) Creo en Odu Ifa y las 16 Leyes de la IFA. Creo en el destino para determinar Odu (camino), creo que en la celebración y el respeto a la naturaleza, así como el equilibrio.Creo en apoyo y defensa de las religiones y formas de vida que tienen la tolerancia y el respeto a las creencias de los demás fuera de sus creencias, y los que respetar el derecho de las personas dentro de sus creencias para estudiar e investigar otras religiones o formas de vida. Por ejemplo: no respetar el Islam, debido a su intolerancia, sin embargo, respetar el hinduismo y el Tao (por nombrar dos de los muchos ejemplos), debido a su tolerancia Cubaking (talk) 07:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC) Virtually all of your edits add your book to an article. So, you seem to be only here to add your book. That's a conflict of interest for a start, see WP:COI and reason enough for my warning, let alone the fact that you haven't been able to get a publisher. See also WP:TLDR. If I left other self-published books behind (which I tried not to do) then remove them. Dougweller (talk) 08:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC) Response[edit]
" Virtually all of your edits add your book to an article." I gave you an example that you have ignored. " So, you seem to be only here to add your book." Why thank you for adding "seem" I suppose that is a positive step.
Once again you sling another insult that you have no idea of its voracity in " let alone the fact that you haven't been able to get a publisher." It is unfortunate you Sir continue with a combative tone and hyperbole. Perhaps I am
wrong, but I thought you were here to help, advise users like me who ARE recognized experts in their fields. I addressed the self publishing issue in my first response, however to continue, you Sir, have absolutely zero information to support your assertion that " let alone the fact that you haven't been able to get a publisher. Therefore it is NOT a "fact", it is a supposition on your part, that happens to be incorrect, and abusive. I submit that you have overstepped your authority, in making sweeping statements, regarding me and my credentials. I expected more from someone who has risen the ranks through hard work, many hours, and valuable contributions. I do not know you, and I am puzzled why you have an agenda that includes me. Otherwise you would not be accusatory, you would be offering to help. Did I rub some friend of yours the wrong way? I am really puzzled why we can not have a discussion without you accusing me or attempting to belittle me, because I am a fairly easy fellow to get along with. My contributions to Lucumi, Ifa and Yoruba are well documented and extensive, as I said I am delighted to provide personal references from the top ranking individuals (Arabas and Ogboni) in Nigeria, Cuba or the US. If your goal is to drive recognized experts in their fields away from Wiki, with insults, innuendo, and spin you are succeeding. Disappointed I remain, Cubaking (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2014 (UTC) Cubaking ( talk) 15:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Regarding this summary, it is probably not a coincidence that Acharya is commonly considered to be a Brahmin last name.
More generally, the problem has been a combination of the usual newbie issues, socking by Buddhakahika & co plus a vast amount of POV pushing from the Vishwkarma community. The last relates to an incident of around a century ago, from which the community claim that they are Brahmin. I've never yet managed to find a source that says anything more authoritative than that they claim the status - no-one except the community itself seems to agree with them. I've still got some books on my shelf + some links to check out, though. - Sitush ( talk) 16:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Re:Common name -- Bejnar ( talk) 16:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
May I suggest that you will be unable to convince "true believers", and that short responses in terms of policy and guidelines will be most efficient in response to them. Let us keep focused on the goal. You, and they, have laid out the battlefield. The goal, as I see it, is to achieve consensus among un-emotionally attached editors, within the guidelines, regardless of whether "true believers" join in that consensus. If we can come up with concrete proposals, then an RFC becomes possible. I actually agree that a political article, even as a stub, at "Zomi" would help, but only if we have an acceptable name for the whole group, which only scratches the surface of the other problems, but, one step at a time. -- Bejnar ( talk) 16:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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Please remove Yoel Natan as he is not part of the source you quoted. He is extremely biased, considered unreliable and likely a nut. He also would need his own reference and does not belong in the intro even if he was a reliable source. Do not add commentary and then hide it in the referenced material. That is deceptive and not what wiki is about.
Please remember early Islamic law is not the same as modern Sharia law. It would be better to use early Islamic law to be more precise. The reference does not have anything to do with Natan's claims. You would need a separate reference for those numbers. So I will take that out at a later date if you fail to provide a reference for those claims of Natan. Please use an appropriate reference or remove.
What is your connection to Yoel Natan as I have researched your past edits and see disturbing similarities in bias. Are you one and the same? If so please remember wiki is not a place to promote oneself. It would also be considered original research. If you are someone else remember that sources need to be reliable, that is something accepted by more than a few extremists. http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/06/my-god-is-better-than-yours-iii-yoel-natan-author-of-moon-o-theism-believes-dinosaurs-roamed-the-earth-with-humans/172.56.1.7 (talk) 00:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
He clealy does not understand or ignores the boomerang effect. The conversation goes downhill from there. I did ask if he was the same as the blogger Yoel Natan, but did not state he was. After reading his edits there are similiar views to the blogger so I felt it was a legitimate question and also pointed out to not promote original research or oneself if it was the case. I further stated that a source needs to be reliable as it was unknown to me that he misrepresented the source and he contradicted mainstream thought concerning the subject. It represented an extremist viewpoint but it was not the fault of the source in which the author himself left some level of doubt. In those cases one would seek additional sources for clarification unless they had an extreme view to push. I later rewrote the whole statement with a neutral POV and a internal link that discussed the disputed sentences in depth. I do not know what more could of been done.
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Please remove Yoel Natan as he is not part of the source you quoted. He is extremely biased, considered unreliable and likely a nut. He also would need his own reference and does not belong in the intro even if he was a reliable source. Do not add commentary and then hide it in the referenced material. That is deceptive and not what wiki is about.
Please remember early Islamic law is not the same as modern Sharia law. It would be better to use early Islamic law to be more precise. The reference does not have anything to do with Natan's claims. You would need a separate reference for those numbers. So I will take that out at a later date if you fail to provide a reference for those claims of Natan. Please use an appropriate reference or remove.
What is your connection to Yoel Natan as I have researched your past edits and see disturbing similarities in bias. Are you one and the same? If so please remember wiki is not a place to promote oneself. It would also be considered original research. If you are someone else remember that sources need to be reliable, that is something accepted by more than a few extremists. http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/06/my-god-is-better-than-yours-iii-yoel-natan-author-of-moon-o-theism-believes-dinosaurs-roamed-the-earth-with-humans/ 172.56.1.7 ( talk) 00:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Once again I hope this helps to illustrate the dispute in question.
Can you tell me as to why the page for Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act of 1986 was deleted? Code Name True ( talk) 04:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Do we have a problem User_talk:Owsert#Copy.2Fpasting_within_Wikipedia here? I've not yet sifted through all of the changes in January but perhaps it would be worth someone emphasising my points (if you agree, of course!). - Sitush ( talk) 07:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
@ Sitush: I found [2] where his edit summary says " created a new section on relevant topic, attribute to article Arora" so I don't think so, although I'd prefer the edit summaray to say "copypaste from...". But that's a minor point and the edit you pointed out may have been just a slip. Dougweller ( talk) 13:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice about not linking to Amazon and Google Books search pages which I understand. With that said, the fact that this little known author who is often criticized on Christian websites as having questionable credentials has approximately 177 listings on Amazon according to their search (granted some are not his), and 111 by my count on Google Books, I believe the results are quite an impressive testament to his scholarship. Here is what you removed on the Alvin Boyd Kuhn page, "Over 150 of his publications can be found on Amazon.com and Google Books."
Could I instead say one of the following?
Thanks for the advice and the information about the essays. Here is the latest version' but welcome to suggestions: "The author of over 150 books, essays and published papers... Several of his works have been published or reprinted posthumously, and many are available electronically." (Not sure if it is better to say available electronically, on line, in electronic formats, etc) Radath ( talk) 23:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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Would you be interested in addressing an IP hopping "editor"? I think this statement says it all, "Not only that Yoel Natan likely is a reference to a terrorist organization with who you have remarkable same line thinking. /info/en/?search=Kahanism" -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 05:25, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
@ Kansas Bear:The link was to the article (which was pretty bad, I've removed quite a bit). I can't find the mention anywhere about you having the same line of thinking. Dougweller ( talk) 18:44, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Heres is my first post after he posted on the T-Mobile IP talk page I was on. Apparently he is unfamiliar with how data cards work, you never get the same IP, it is not the fault of the user and is not deceptive, it is the way things are. In a year I will have had hundreds of IP's of all different ranges depending on where I am at. Due to all the internal politics I chose to remain unregistered. Not joining the club, but I do add edits that help improve articles. Some in wiki really despise that and that is unwiki of them as it is open to all. I am a scholar and very much agree with a neutral POV and reliable sources that are taken in context. Some good came out of all this. The article had an very unreliable and make believe name removed, it more accurately reflects the complicated early Islamic law and traditions, and now links an article that discusses that in detail. I also found this which may shed some light on his motivation. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Kansas_Bear&direction=next&oldid=551848264 It also leads me to ask is he operating as a sock or multiple accounts to wage an agenda war? Would a user check be appropriate to see what other accounts are using the same IP as Kansas Bear. It has been done before according to his log. He may be just someone with a set POV that he wants to convey due to his political beliefs. He clearly bashes certain cultures when possible. Is he Islamaphobic? Not being Islamic and part of that argument I am not certain what really qualifies as such but I see a disturbing POV pushing and lack of regard for context when it does not suit his agenda.
Hi Dougweller. Sorry for the IVC; there seems to be an endless reservoir of frogs all quacking the same song. Tried this time to start friendly, hoping to keep this one at bay. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Your recent edit summary regarding Gene Cho at article Zhu Zaiyu was pretty funny. I have to mention though that Gene Cho is on the faculty of the University of North Texas College of Music http://music.unt.edu/faculty-and-staff/detail/19, that he's got some credibility as a music theorist and a composer, and that I've seen his work about equal temperament in Europe and China (mentioned in the article you edited) referenced by other works. Now I'm not saying that particular work and/or its thesis are necessarily reliable but by and large Cho has got some credibility. It is true through that his claims that articles from the Ark of the Covenant of the Jerusalem Temple made their way to Japan and are now housed at the Ise Grand Shrine (incredibly repeated on his UNT page!) do not do him any favor. Contact Basemetal here 17:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hey Doug--is this not rollback abuse? I don't know what ever happened with the Twinkle/rollback discussion, but these edits that were reverted (boneheaded as they were) were not vandalism. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 03:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Doug, since I know your online, there is an IP with someone who I suspect is mentally ill. It might be a good idea to block them for a while here. I am One of Many ( talk) 06:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry I do not understand what You wrote about the sources in this article, I mean about the references, I am afraid You are mistaken... -- Gian piero milanetti ( talk) 09:37, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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See Talk:Harikumar_Pallathadka#Scope_of_this_article. Should I go for WP:3O even though it is early days in the discussion? I feel that it is not going to progress and there are a shedload of other problems that I've not even mentioned in detail yet. - Sitush ( talk) 13:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Doug, I'm a little concerned about this editor who appears to have a bee in his bonnet about the Celticity of Picts. I'm stepping back from any admin related activity with him as I'm wp:involved, so it might be good for another admin to keep an eye on the situation. Cheers, Catfish Jim and the soapdish 13:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I saw you deleted the poem from the article. I'm not bothered whether or not the "long" rede is included in the article in toto, but it was decided by a debate at wikisource that it is not a copyvio. This is on the basis that Porter claimed that the poem had been passed down to her through generations of "witches". The full text is there [14] Paul B ( talk) 16:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Dougweller. I am still learning policies, and I noticed you reverted my edit here. I read your note on the summery, so if that statement is in one of the sources, then my apologies for removing it. I wanted to let you know that this source no longer exists. Is it okay for me to remove it and the statement sourced by it since the source was not found? I'll take the time to read the other sources to confirm. Thanks! Original European (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 21:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm working on a potential replacement for the List of demons in the Ars Goetia article, and I keep getting this nagging worry in the back of my head that I might be doing OR. Since Goetia is already (rightfully) treated as broader than the first book of the Lesser Key of Solomon, I thought I might just broaden it to "List of Goetic demons" and include a bunch of works that either outright describe themselves as Goetia, are discussed in relation to Goetia, or share plenty of spirits with the LKoS. This arrangement covers more than the current article, but hopefully will occupy less space as many of the demons have enough sources to be notable (turning the list into more of an article index).
My concern is that while I might have two works that overlap with the LKoS, they do not overlap with each other. For example: To say that Agares in the LKoS is Agares in the Grand Grimoire is not OR, and to say that the LKoS Agares is le Livre de Esperitz' Agarat is not either; so does it count as SYNTH to put LKoS Agares, GG Agares, and LdE Agarat next to each other as the same character? Or am I correct in assuming its just juxtaposition? Thanks. Ian.thomson ( talk) 04:47, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. I got recently some trouble with a certain user concerning besaid article. He put in some citation-labels (which was, for its self, ok). One of them was ok in my opinion and I have put sources in. The other is, in my opinion, redundant. Now the user is blindly reverting my edits instead of contacting me or just leaving the article. Could you please do something about it? Regards;-- Nephiliskos ( talk) 12:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I noticed a few edits to Clovis culture today (after I had made some edits to improve clarity and conciseness that are unrelated to the more recent edits). In one edit, a few edits back from the latest one, an editor changed "North and South America" to "Central and South America". I thought, from reading the article, that members of the Clovis culture were thought to be ancestors of most of the Native Americans in North America, if not also Central and South America. This edit leaves out North America. I wondered if that were correct. CorinneSD ( talk) 02:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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Are you uninvolved enough to put your admin hat on and get a handle on this, or should I ask someone else? I don't want to put you in a bind. Let me know. Ignocrates ( talk) 19:13, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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Can you help us improve the Cro Magnon page rather than undo edits, i think there is a lot of important information not covered-- Kovkikz ( talk) 03:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
What is inaccurate about it-- Kovkikz ( talk) 15:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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On the one hand, you are correct that those accusations, as normally used, are inconsistent, and so you must be in a middle ground. On the other hand, of course, technically an Arab supremacist IS pro-Semitic, since the Arabic language is a Semitic language and the Arabs are a Semitic people (descended from Ishmael, who was descended from Shem). The term "anti-Semitic" as a synonym for anti-Jewish has been nonsensical and obsolete in the second half of the twentieth century and the early twenty-first century, now that Arab anti-Jewishness (too often covered up as being only anti-Zionist) is a problem. Carry on. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:21, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the information regarding improper references (ireport cnn). I have cleaned that up. Rabindahal ( talk) 03:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't know how to withdraw an Afd nomination. Georgia guy ( talk) 17:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Doug, I believe in the ideals of Wikipedia, but I also believe that for it to work, we should focus on our strengths and areas of expertise when editing, and tread cautiously when we are on unfamiliar ground. There is someone trying to delete Degen's eight-square identity simply because he finds it "uninteresting". (It being a consequence of Pfister's theorem, no mathematician in the world would think that.) If the results of difficult subjects like mathematics, the sciences, and others are deleted (not just edited, but total deletion) by the "preferences" and "interests" of laymen, then the scholarly integrity and content of Wikipedia will be in trouble.:-( Titus III ( talk) 07:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Dear Dougweller: Thanks for your interest/assistance regarding the Bat Creek article--I'm not a Wikipedia expert, obviously. I read the links that you provided me with regarding the no-no's of "original research" &c, but am still confused as to why you deleted the addition, in part because nothing that I posted seems to violate any of the criteria: all of the references are factual, readily verifiable, and so on. Macoy's book doesn't (of course) mention the Bat Creek stone, but it is referenced in the discussion, so I'm not clear as to why a list of the sources that he might have borrowed from can't be mentioned. Nor am I clear as to why the fact that the "Holiness to the Lord" inscription appeared frequently in nineteenth-century theological works should be considered irrelevant to the larger discussion. I'm sure that you are as busy as I am, and I hate to take up more of your time, but I did spend some time writing the business up, and don't like to think that it was wasted! Zimiamvia ( talk) 19:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I've just redirected a new article here on the grounds that it is a coatrack job and in grave danger of breaching BLP.
Some of the issues mentioned are noted in the Jayalalithaa article and many more have been discussed at that article's talk page. Mostly, the things mentioned were allegations rather than charges, and they got nowhere. Maybe Jayalalithaa is good at avoiding court cases etc or maybe this is just the usual Indian political game of unsubstantiated muck-raking supported by a hyperbolic, breathless media but - either way - the article seemed to be quite a jump.
Was I wrong to redirect? I did leave a note at the creator's talk page. - Sitush ( talk) 09:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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Created a new page for academic Kurt Noll but can't seem to fix the reference error even after reading the help page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radath ( talk • contribs) 10:05, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Doug, I'm trying to recover a password, but I've forgotten which email I used. I tried sending myself an email but found I needed to be logged in (Catch 22) So, I saw you were online - could you email
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Isonomia 82.6.107.192 ( talk) 13:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Regarding your recent edit :Recent excavations in the Timna Valley discovered what may be the earliest camel bones found in Israel or even outside the Arabian peninsula, dating to around 930 BCE. This is seen as evidence that the stories of Abraham,Joseph, Jacob and Esau were written after this time.[68][69]
Can you please note that the evidence of pictures of people riding on camels on cylinder seals contradicts the claims made last week that the patriarchs did not ride on camels. I suggest the following text to replace your original:
Recent excavations in the Timna Valley discovered what is claimed to be the earliest camel bones found in Israel or even outside the Arabian peninsula, dating to around 930 BCE. Some have argued that this is evidence that the stories of Abraham,Joseph, Jacob and Esau were written after this time.[68][69] Nevertheless, the presence of camels on cylinder seals in Mesopotamia dating as far back as 1800BCE is seen by many as evidence that camels were already domesticated in the days of Abraham. See for example http://art.thewalters.org/detail/27381/cylinder-seal-with-a-two-humped-camel-carrying-a-divine-couple/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.96.91 ( talk) 22:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
86.147.96.91 ( talk) 22:46, 18 February 2014 (UTC)shirawiki@jewishspark.org
Yes, of course they all know about the seals (except for Ben Yosef, it appears). So this one secular Israeli guy finds a bone and makes the outrageous claim that camels weren't domesticated until 900BCE when we all know they were domesticated much earlier. (Camels were used by important wealthy foreign folk like Abraham, who was not from Canaan, and were considered exotic and a sign of wealth. See the letter below.) How arrogant and ignorant for someone to assume that the lack of bones in Canaan is evidence that no one used camels in the middle east until 900BCE when other documents show that camels were used a millennium earlier! And he uses this 'evidence' to score points against religious folk by claiming that this is evidence that Genesis could not have been written at the time of Moses. And your recent edit makes his outrageous claim look like fact.
This is why it needs rewording, as I suggest above. It's unprofessional to allow one's political agenda to skew one's interpretation of facts. You and Wikipedia are being used by Ben Yosef to promulgate his [redacted] agenda when you have a duty to be objective and neutral. His claims should be stated as claims, conjectures, nothing more.
Thanks, 86.147.96.91 ( talk) 11:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Shira.
With respect, you do not know my agenda. For your information, I am not a fundamentalist. People in that camp would consider me to be a heretic. I simply want you to remove an inaccurate statement, by qualifying it better. It is a matter of simple professionalism, not allowing ideology to bias interpretation of facts. The facts are clear that Ben Yosef's argument is hogwash. Anyone who knows anything knows that he has jumped to conclusions, but it makes a nice sound-bite so everyone repeats his claim without questioning his logic. Presenting it as fact undermines Wikipedia's reputation. Thank you. 86.147.96.91 ( talk) 13:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Shira.
I put that article in, the camels refer to copper mining of which no mention in the bible of the Patriarchs being involved. In the area where the Patriarchs came from North we have pictures of men riding or leading camels that date to the early second millenium BC. The are also mentioned as domesticated animals in Ugarit, which dates to the Old Babylonian period. It is an issue but it does not rule out the Patriarchs being real people. BernardZ ( talk) 16:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hello. You reverted an edit of mine on the page and I am here to explain why you were wrong, to avoid an edit-war.
I removed the unreferenced-tag on the section mentioning "Well known Vikings and Norsemen of the Viking Age", because all the references to specific individuals are given on the pages on these individuals. The section at hand just present a list of them.
You reverted that edit and wrote "we don't use other articles as references or for references, references must be in the article itself".
This would be true if we were talking about a normal text-block containing information on the subject for the specific page. This is not the case here. Not only is the situation different, it would also be unnecessary and a waste of efforts to duplicate references that is already given on a wiki-page that a list is linking to. One one point though, I would agree with you (and the one inserting the unreferenced-tag): It would be nice to have a reference to official lists of Well known Vikings and Norsemen of the Viking Age. But I am not aware of any official lists of that sort and if anyone feel they need them and tell the world, they could do so by writing on the talk page or insert a source needed template.
Unless I hear from you, I will removed the unreferenced-tag in a week or so.
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I have read your email. Perhaps the best bit of it was the quotes in the subject line: that the editor can describe him/herself in those terms is interesting, and the other self-description which you quoted from him/her in the email even more so. However, I strongly suspect that he/she really means it, and is genuinely blind to the nature of what he/she is doing. JamesBWatson ( talk) 21:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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I wasn't using Stephen Fitz as source, neither I ever did on main page. I was only discussing about him. James Fitzjames Stephen is him.
BTW, what you thought about Talk:Caste_system_among_Indian_Christians' requested move? Moves are obviously based on consensus. Excluding my vote, there were 3 votes for "Caste system among Christians in South Asia", and one oppose. Bladesmulti ( talk) 02:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
There is a user called "Truthsayer62" who called edits, which were a million times better referenced, as "Vandalism". Truth is that "Truthsayer62" is part of the Shugden cult. If you look in his history, all he promotes is the Shugden cult. If you are unfamiliar with this whole topic, please ask a Buddhist. TiredofShugden ( talk) 04:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Dear Sir,
The quality of the Hungarian Turanism article was very poor. It stressed the fascist and antisemitic aspects of it, but those are a minor part of the matter. Turanism, e.g. the belief that the Hungarians have an Asian origin and Mongol and Turk kinship played and still plays an important role in Hungarian culture, including science.
The two Gestas do not mention "Turanism", but describe the Hungarians as the descendants of Huns and Scythians. I added links to these texts, available on the pages of Országos Széchenyi Könyvtár, our national library. Körösi Csoma Sándor was a follower of the Uighur-Hungarian kinship theory, this belief motivated his travel to Asia. I linked in the web page of MTA (the Hungarian Academy of Sciences) about Körösi Csoma Sándor's life.
Perhaps I broke editng rules linking to wikipedia pages, but I have not know that it is forbidden. But each and every of my edits was objective and neutral, in strong contrast with yours.
I know Hungarian history well, and believe in the power of good, quality science, and not least honesty.
Your attitude is well represented in restoring this sentence:
"According to Hungarian researchers the modern Hungarian Turanism became a kind of business called "Szittya biznisz" (Scythian business) and it has not got much to do with ancient Hungarian traditions."
The reference given is an interview, published in a weekly political magazine, with one historian, Igaz Levente, who expresses his personal opinion about the souvenir and merchandise business grow around reenactment and traditionalist groups. Leaving a sweppingly generalizing, unfounded sentence in place is not a telltale sign of a good editor.
Your work destroys the quality and reliability of, and the trust in Wikipedia, as a source of quality knowledge.
Have a nice day,
Maghasito — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maghasito ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Did any of the people involved in the recent Tarkhan-related mess end up being referred to SPI? I had some involvement in it and Sikh-history ( talk · contribs) was also there, trying to stem a tide of poor POV edits etc. I ask because the contributions of Singh31689 ( talk · contribs) seem to be following a broadly similar line of interest, including recreation (IIRC) of an article about the Ubhi clan that had been deleted. If there was a prior SPI then there might be justification for requesting a checkuser. - Sitush ( talk) 22:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
You clearly are abusing your powers arbitrarily. I demand redress of superior jurisdiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 ( talk) 19:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Mock the caged beast. Yuck it up, real impressive. Karma exists, the world sees your pettiness of spirit and lack of equity.
Oh no, I am not American English by birth, curse my inferior blood! Thus my diction and lexicon and verbose meandering can be dense and difficult and almost unintelligible at times - yet, it is still better to be a good-willed person who lacks rhetorical sophistic skill than a mere amoral rhetorician of a dessicated scholarship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 ( talk) 22:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Please see Dorje Shugden controversy page again. TiredofShugden ( talk) 05:30, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Is this Harics456 ( talk · contribs) again? The whinging, the very fractured English, the inability to capitalise names etc? - Sitush ( talk) 00:32, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
The reference link associating the basque with the Magnons is some kind of fantastical bulls*it,, out of thousands you seem to be the only editor who has a problem with my edits,, why?-- Kovkikz ( talk) 10:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Magnon, Cro Magnon, EEMH,AMHS, (or whatever their coming out with these days) were talking about Paleolithic Europeans here, all links support my edits, the variant EEMH is even mentioned in the lead-- Kovkikz ( talk) 12:14, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Kerala brahmin section. Please have a discussion before deletion. You may put a citation needed tag, if necessary.- Prasanthnnamboothiri ( talk) 13:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Here is your media attention: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/02/10/national-alliance-chairman-erich-gliebe-facing-two-million-dollar-lawsuit/ I sourced the NARRG site because they are the ones filling the lawsuit. Use the SPLC source instead if you want, the info I posted is accurate. My previous comment on the Strom case stands. I made you aware that there is copyright infringement involved. Anello.wiki ( talk) 19:54, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
You do realize you had Strom's website as the source for the claim of a continuation of the NA, so what was wrong with how I sourced my edit if the previous was sourced okay?
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I'll be honest, I was sort of using a machete approach to editing there - figured if I inadvertently cut out a decent source poorly used someone would restore it and then we could chat about it at talk. :) Simonm223 ( talk) 14:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello Doug, I stumbled across a rather curious situation and I thought you might like to know about it.
There is an author named Mike Campbell who is in the business of selling a book about Amelia Earhart. [ [15]] On his blog he claimed that a man he called “DC Dave” informed him that a reference to his book had been inserted into the article on Amelia Earhart. [ [16]] The reference was inserted into Amelia Earhart by User:RoosterEnroughty. [ [17]] “DC Dave” runs a website through which he expresses his various conspiracy theories. [ [18]] A comparison between User:RoosterEnroughty’s [ history] and “DC Dave’s” website reveals some alarming commonalities.
“DC Dave” has an obsession with James Forrestal. [ [19]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits Forrestal. [ [20]]
“DC Dave” writes about Vincent Foster. [ [21]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits Foster. [ [22]]
“DC Dave” writes about the DC madam. [ [23]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits her page. [ [24]]
“DC Dave” writes about Andy Rooney. [ [25]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits Rooney. [ [26]] And the source he inserted was written by none other than “DC Dave”.
Now it’s difficult to be sure that User:RoosterEnroughty actually is “DC Dave”. He could, after all, simply be a “DC Dave” enthusiast. Nevertheless, the situation is all kinds of suspicious and stinks of several different brands of impropriety. Furthermore, if Mike Campbell is in cahoots with “DC Dave”, and “DC Dave” (as User:RoosterEnroughty) is promoting Campbell’s book through Wikipedia then we have a WP:COI to contend with.
I’ve never seen a situation like this before, so I figured you would be a good person to ask.
Oh, and thanks for backing me up on the new chronology. 76.107.171.90 ( talk) 09:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I noticed your recent edit and wanted to ask you to look at a BLP issue where I may be wrong. I've reverted 3 times and seem to be the only person who believes reporting a persons death requires a reference. The fact that so many seemingly different people are adding this information gives me pause, but I remain uneasy because I can not find a source myself. Please look at the matter if you have the time. The article is Paco de Lucía. Thank you.— John Cline ( talk) 09:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey, Doug. I'm answering here instead of at RSN because over there they generally seem to want questions of the form "is source X reliable for statement Y" rather than general discussions of source reliability (which is no rebuke of your post there, I'm indifferent to that kind of thing). Tami Blumenfield has become, since writing that document, an internationally recognized expert on the Na, editor of this:
and author of fairly well-cited papers (given how new they are) on the subject. She's also mentioned in pretty many acknowledgement sections by other authors. In your questioned document she says "Recognizing that publication of my book may be a distant event, I have compiled a short fact sheet that may help separate fact from fiction in the Na case." Whatever book she's talking about will certainly be a reliable source when it's published, and it's plausible that it'll be based on her dissertation, published the year after she wrote the fact sheet:
That makes me think the stuff on her fact sheet is probably mostly in her dissertation, although I can't check quickly because it doesn't seem to be available online. I think this would make it reliable for pretty much any statement of fact as it would be the author's own summary of what's unquestionably a reliable source. If you think it'd be helpful and you don't otherwise have access to it I can almost certainly get a copy of the dissertation for you in a few days. I don't know if this will help you at all, but it's no trouble for me.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 11:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Everyone agreed the Dreyfus source was the best Shugden reference. Both Chris Flynn and kt66 mention that Dreyfus should be a priority reference. But again that Shugden cultist, Truthsayer62, deleted all the direct quotes, and called them "inaccurate". TiredofShugden ( talk) 03:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Truthsayer62 is claiming Dreyfus changed history, even though Jeff Watts, who is an expert in Tibetan art, showed there was NO Shugden art before the late 1800's. I think we should reinsert that sentence into the lead Dougweller. P.S. Is it okay to register with a new name? TiredofShugden ( talk) 18:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, could you revdel these [29] [30]. vzaak 06:22, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Dear Sir,
It would be great if you would tell me in detail, why you had reverted my last edit to the article in Hungarian Turanism.
The original article has been and is very like a few pages from a kommunist book of propaganda, full of skewed and distorted, unscientific trash.
Its main sources are short articles, published in weekly political magazines. The Budapest Times and Heti Válasz are not the best points of references in scientific matters, so to speak.
This is from an interview with Igaz Levente, published in Heti Válasz politikal weeky:
"A csizmám meg ugyan jellegzetes, felkapó orrú, keleti stílusú lábbeli, ám nem titok, hogy modern cipészműhelyben, így szerszámokkal készült, ráadásul egy jó nevű veszkócsizma-készítő alkotta. De az illető képes volt az elé tett keleti szabásmintából tartós, mi több, kényelmes, gyaloglásra és lovaglásra egyaránt alkalmas, vízhatlan holmit készíteni, ami bizony az esetek többségében nem mondható el a „hagyományőrző boltokban”, például a Nazcánál kapható, kétes formavilágú portékáról. Az vegytiszta szittya biznisz.
Vagyis létezik a szittya biznisz?
Igen, kétség kívül, mint a „túloldali”, tehát hivatalossá sosem váló hagyományőrzésre, történészkedésre épült iparág, amelyet manapság sok ezer embert lát el autentikusnak, vagy korhűnek mondott árucikkekkel – a ruházat elemeitől egészen a fegyverekig, utóbbira a különböző keleti népekről elnevezett üvegszálas íjak a legjobb példa."
And the English translation of it:
"And my boots are characteristically Oriental style footwear, with whip up noses, but it is no secret, that it was made in a modern workshop, with tools, and top of it all, it was made by a reputable wester/cowboy boot maker. But the person was able to make from the Oriental patterns put in front of him a durable, even comfortable, waterproof thing, wich is suited for walking and horse riding, and this is certainly in most cases can not be said for the ambiguously styled goods sold in "traditional stores", such as "Nazca". That is pure Scythian business.
So, there is a Scythian business?
Yes, without doubt, as an industry built to the "opposing", so officially never recognised, traditionalism, historicism, which supplies thousands of people with goods said to be authentic, or faithful to the period - from parts of clothing to weapons, the latter is best exemplified by fiberglass bows, named after Oriental peoples."
This is a personal opinion of Igaz Levente, and not a scientific fact.
My edits were objective, factual and referenced. My sources and references are reliable, like The Chatolic Lexicon,the Electronic Library of The Hungarian National Library, "Valóság", the journal of Hungarian Lyceum, the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, and the works of Vámbéry, and Max Müller.
I know Hungarian History well. I believe in free speech, in the freedom of science, and I hate any kind of censorship.
Your editorial work in this case was/is nothing else, just plain censorship.
Have a nice day,
Maghasito — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maghasito ( talk • contribs) 12:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry to bother you with this, I have been searching for an admin. Basically this user 67.188.88.161 ( talk · contribs) has admitted to being a banned sock puppet (you will need to read his two posts), I respect his honesty and he's admitted he only coming back to Wikipedia to reply to a post so he probably won't be coming back, but as he has been banned on quite a few accounts and IPS, I believe he should still be blocked per Wikipedia policy. If you have time perhaps you could look into it. Thanks. Goblin Face ( talk) 22:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi again Doug. I just wanted to get your view on User talk:Mahmoodyaqub. He made edits [31] which i felt had no citations and were something of an advertisement for the website, so I deleted parts of what was written. [32]. Other thing I noticed was that the article was coming across as more about the program than the speaker itself. Anyway, he reverted me back to how it was, and also removed the "ad", so to speak [ [33]]. I've no intention of going into an edit war (I put that down to exams and laziness) and so I notified him that I'd bring in a third-view. [34]. Judging from his talk page, its not the first time he's been warned about adding ads. Could you have a look please, and edit the article and his talk page as you see fit. GiggsIsLegend ( talk) 15:58, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. Thank you for your input in this matter. I am a novice in making new subjects here in Wikipedia. I have "asked" someone in Wikipedia, whose passion seems to be anything about golf, to make the 2014 edition of this new LPGA event. I just do not know how to make such a page easy, for ordinary Wikipedia editors and readers alike, to read. For example, I think it will need a new infobox, for starters. Never mind inputting images relevant to the subject at hand. I hope you could help me here, if you want. Rockies77 ( talk) 08:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Because you took care of some similar earlier edits by this IP, I'd like you to take a look at this edit summary: [35], and delete it if you think it's appropriate to do so. (I reported it yesterday at RFPP, but was turned down there.) Thanks! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
If some-body is suspended for a mistake, how long does it lasted to reconciliation, the person becomes anonymous, and if student mistakenly wrote 'A' where he/her would write 'B' what would Instructor do: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.206.11.73 ( talk) 13:01, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
If some-body is suspended for a mistake, how long does it lasted to reconciliation, the person becomes anonymous, and if student mistakenly wrote 'A' where he/her would write 'B' what would Instructor do: 41.206.11.71 ( talk) 13:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
It might be useful if you and other experienced editors get involved in the Out-of-place artifact article. At this time, one editor has dismantled the the article twice because the examples of Out-of-place artifacts are "unsourced" and he believes that they are mostly "unvetted hoaxes," which do not belong in this article as they are of "questionable notability." It looks like an edit war is possible. It would be helpful if some experienced editors need to get involved to keep the peace. An example of this rather drastic editing of this article can be seen in Revision as of 00:25, 7 March 2014. Paul H. ( talk) 03:34, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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I did as you suggested and removed the map on Template:Indo-European topics. Krakkos ( talk) 20:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I was logged in on my PC and my daughter did something to the Poodle and Pie pages. Although she has been told not to edit Wikipedia, even under her own name- she is eleven- she was experimenting with the text editing and didn't realise that the page was 'live'.
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Doug, I've looked at some of your edits around Wiki and I think you do great work.
I have two questions/concerns though regarding edits on the Aaron Jack page. The page says he is an American businessman and politician. That is not exactly accurate. He is a businessman but he is a former politician. That is a huge distinction that needs to be addressed.
Secondly, the wording of the sentence which begins, "According to the Topeka Capitol-Journal," is written in a way which suggests the Capitol-Journal is reporting that Jack was asked to resign or be fired as opposed to resigning voluntarily. I have searched everywhere and there is not a shred of evidence, other than the quote in this article or that which was derived from this article which seconds the notion Jack was forcibly given such an ultimatum. Jack says he resigned voluntarily and his going immediately back to the private-sector suggests this is a true or at least plausible statement. In truth, this appears to be a "he said, she said" disagreement. At any rate, shouldn't the sentence be re-worded so as not to suggest the Capitol-Journal is taking one side or the other?
Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, KS Chamber — Preceding unsigned comment added by KansasChamber ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've opened a thread on you stalking my edits: [38]. -- Lokalkosmopolit ( talk) 18:16, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
86.181.139.204 keeps saying that Richard Carrier is a blogger rather that an Ivy League educated historian and author of several published books. This same Christian inserted a Criticism section at Bart D. Ehrman. The talk page section indicates that a Criticism section made up primarily of Christian apologetics is useless. RosylynGrock ( talk) 15:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
User:Truthsayer62 has been making false charges of vandalism again, reinserting self-published material, and removing sourced material from Robert Thurman at 3 different pages. Heicth ( talk) 19:34, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, this is TiredofShugden. It has recently come to my intention that Wikipedia has a strict policy of biographies of living individuals. Clearly the four manufactured "controversies" at the 14th Dalai Lama should be deleted. Please advise. Heicth ( talk) 19:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that an editor changed the birth year and age at death for George Raft with no edit summary. I have no way to know which figures are correct. What do you recommend? CorinneSD ( talk) 17:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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Dskcool ( talk · contribs) has recreated and then moved Ourambhr to Gaur Rajputs. There are no reliable sources for the Ourambhr usage as a synonym nor indeed as a caste community and this was why their previous attempt at Ouramber was deleted via PROD.
I've tried rolling back but cannot do it. I also tried searching for sources again, obviously. I've left a note on their talk page but basically the Ourambhr redirect needs to be deleted entirely. This cannot be done with the standard CSD rationales, unless A3 applies. Technically, re-PRODing is not a great idea but it is possible because the new redirect title differs in spelling from the previously deleted title. AfD won't work now because they've set it up as a redirect, so that seems to leave WP:RFD. If it gets deleted at RfD then I could deploy CSD G4 next time they try to promote their non-notable last name. Does RfD seem like the best option to you? - Sitush ( talk) 23:16, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, can you please move the article Chôrjapôdô back to Charyapada? A user has recently moved this article. As among admins, your name appears at the top of the contributions list, so I thought of requesting you. Thanks. Shovon ( talk) 17:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Dougweller. I reverted this edit on Neanderthal because I felt uncomfortable with the sources selected. I was reverted here, claiming that the sources are indeed reliable, and that I am a "POV-pusher", though arguably the other user is the one pushing POV by asserting that Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons never interbred by citing TheGuardian, The Telegraph, and ScienceDirect, which is from 2012 and 2013, and does not represent modern interpretations. Would you mind giving your opinion and/or sharing your knowledge regarding the sources? Ice Age (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In short--
1. I need to shorten all quotations which I encapsulated within quotation marks. 2. All my paraphrases of another authors quotes must be rewritten entirely in my own words with infrequent direct quotes from the author within quotation marks.
Would this suffice?
Thank you.
CWatchman ( talk) 22:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Would you mind taking a look at the latest edit to Mumbai? Besides adding content that probably does not belong there, the last part of the reference sounds like an advertisement. What do you think? CorinneSD ( talk) 01:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, That caption is not complete, it needs more detail, which captivity? where? I'm talking about this [40], just want to see how you see these things, KhabarNegar Talk 17:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In your revision of a certain editor's work on the page "Sons of Ham," you wrote 'rv nonsense...Wolof is not even in the same class as Ancient Egyptian.' First off, you are in no position to call another person's work nonsensical. Secondly, if you know anything about language classification, and how they are related to the sons of Ham, you will realize that the current language classifications have nothing to do with the sons of Ham.
They are primarily based on CONJECTURE: an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information. Let me break it down further for you, before you make any further errors. For example, John Greenberg labelled African languages on a RANDOM sampling of 50 words or less. And thus, classified African languages as such.
He did not take into account that most African languages can have more than one word to describe nouns, adjectives, suffixes, et cetera. Some African languages do not even have specific language families yet, even large languages like Songhai! Some are improperly classified, and yet others, are unknown. Others cause headaches - like Ongota.
Here's a startling example: Hebrew and Arabic are considered Afro-Asiatic, right? Yet, the MAJORITY of Afro-Asiatic languages (over 250) are found in Africa. Hebrew and Arabic are the only ones that spilled outside the continent of Africa. Hebrew and Arabic arose from Eastern Africa. Hebrew and Arabic are considered Semitic, but their African brethren who speak 'thus-classified' Afro-Asiatic languages are considered Hamitic.
How is that possible? So which is which: Semitic or Afro-Asiatic? Where does one classification begin and the other end?
Indians, Bangladeshi, Nepalese, Japanese, Mandarin, and even the now extinct Manchu language of China are descended from Shem. Are those languages considered Semitic? Of course not.
So when you write that 'Wolof is not even in the same class as Ancient Egyptian..' Class has nothing to do with what the fact is: and the fact is Wolof, as well as most languages of Eastern Africa, down to Southern Africa, and those in Western Africa, all have roots in the Nile Valley: Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia.
Just because they are not classified as so by hoity-toity linguists who consider their limited knowledge to be so superior when they really are pseudo-linguists, does not make common knowledge disappear. You should read Cheikh Anta Diop's Precolonial Black Africa.
Also, languages evolve over time. Just because Modern English does not say 'Thee' or 'Thou,' does that mean Modern English is no longer an Anglo language? Of course not.
This rigor-mortis-like attention to language class (or using it's cover to hide your ulterior motives) is not going to help nor work for you. Ramesses III's DNA matches that of people in the Great Lakes of Africa (Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Congo, Rwanda, Burundi). But of course you're going to say 'lo, but the Great Lakes languages are not classified as Ancient Egyptian!
Wolof is not classified as Semitic, nor Afro=Asiatic, but the language is still virtually identical to Ancient Egyptian. Do not let cultural bias cloud your work when you are editing a website that isn't even yours. Either that, or go start your own encyclopaedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebkheperiaure ( talk • contribs) 20:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Since you're an administrator, would you mind looking at the last ten or so exchanges of edits to Bangladesh? Aditya Kabir seems to be a thoughtful, responsible editor, and other editors keep reverting. The article might need to be semi-protected for a while. CorinneSD ( talk) 00:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that an editor has replaced a huge amount of text that was deleted by another editor with a very long letters-and-numbers IP address for no apparent reason. Shouldn't that editor who deleted so much of the article be temporarily blocked or at least warned? CorinneSD ( talk) 01:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Please see new user's 1st edit userpage. It appears to be WP:UP#PROMO and WP:USERBIO (and unsourced BLP)? And also, there is personal information in that edit's edit summary. —Telpardec ( talk) 07:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
In the second paragraph in the lead/lede of the article on Barley, I wanted to add a conversion template to convert the square kilometer figure to square miles. I know how to add the template, and I did, and checked it in Preview, but it ended up with parentheses inside of parentheses, which didn't look good, so I didn't save it. It ends up being 219,000 square miles. I thought about adding, after a comma, "or 219,000 sq. mi.", but I realized I had not often seen "sq. mi." in WP articles, so I didn't save it. What do you suggest? (If you would rather I not bother you with minor things like this, please let me know.) CorinneSD ( talk) 02:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, thanks for your recent contributions at Aamir Liaquat Hussain, you restored a deadlink and the information it referred into the article citing WP:DEADLINK, i will urge you to remove that please since this article is about a living person and this information is controvercial and insulting to a living person and it should be removed unless verifiable as per WP:BLP. Thank you. Sajjad Altaf ( talk) 13:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller Thanks so much for taking the time to review the copy. By "appears to be copyrighted" do you mean the sentence about the roots of holism? I wrote much of the page on EdgarCayce.org so thought I could use it. Or do you mean that I can't quote a line from the Journal of AMA? I thought a sentence was OK. Many thanks for clarifying. Alison — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alison.ray ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Help, i was indifinately blocked by Ststerwalker for disrupt editing, and it affected my studies with school of open 'oer' etc, the suspension for the mistake has been long, started in 2013, and how many months suspension? Thanks for understanding fate of scholars, am Jesmion 41.203.65.171 ( talk) 05:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Help, i was indefinitely blocked by Stwalkerster for disrupt editing in 2013, and affects my studies with 'oer' wikipedia school of open, the suspension has been long, and how many months would a student be suspended for participating in a school class, we are now in Round 1/week 3 of wikisoo wikipedia school of open, and i couldnt write at Etherpad or student's page discussion since 2013, except by Youtube or twitter, considering the fate of learner, please help! am Jesmion 41.203.65.171 ( talk) 05:43, 15 March 2014 (UTC) LGBT Right in Iraq I was just recopying what I saw in the summary (it has the citation). Got any questions? Let me know. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jllproductions ( talk • contribs) 06:57, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I have questions about two recent edits to Radiocarbon dating:
1) In the latest edit, an editor changed the American "artifacts" "back to British spelling" and changed one other instance of "artifacts" to "artefacts". I thought WP:ENGVAR discouraged that kind of change unless the article is clearly already written in one variant or the other or the topic is clearly of a certain area where a particular variant is used. Both spellings are given in Wiktionary. Do you want to make a determination on this?
2) In the edit just before that one, an editor changed "datable by other techniques" to "dated by other techniques". The edit summary says "for readability", but "datable by other techniques" might make more sense in the context. What do you think? CorinneSD ( talk) 14:50, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Do you know anything about marine zoology, specifically Dolphins? Please see the note I left at User talk:Rothorpe and, earlier, at User talk:BabyNuke, who has edited the article in the past. CorinneSD ( talk) 16:35, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Weird choice to add an EL for Rick Still after you just explained there are no RS to connect Still with Hill. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I dont have a fix IP address Thunderpilot ( talk) 16:49, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
This user ( other account) is using multiple accounts to edit war on serval pages, what should I do? I have asked him to make a comment on the corresponding talk pages, but he won't do it. This account also appears to be one of his. He has also continued to remove sourced content. AcidSnow ( talk) 23:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
That has been unsourced for two years. I think that is long enough to find some sourcing. If you cannot that you cannot include it into a BLP, much less any WP article. You are an admim, you should know this. Arzel ( talk) 13:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
KT66, Chris Fynn and I already agreed on the material for the article. For example Truthsayer62 keeps deleting a Thurman quote that KT66 added, not me. The three of us clearly already agreed on how the article should be. There is no excuse for Truthsayer62 deleting most of the academic material in the article. And the reason why I deleted Truthsayer62 comment from my own talk page, is that it was full of debunked Shugden propaganda, such as there being millions of Shugden followers, which is just a laughable claim. Heicth ( talk) 14:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I just noticed that an IP editor changed the word "sandalwood" in one Indian language to the word in another Indian language, in the article on Sandalwood. Is there any reason for that? Should the edit stand or be undone? CorinneSD ( talk) 15:39, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I noticed in the article on Burma that in the second paragraph in the section on "Etymology" there is a lot of pronunciation information for "Burma" and "Myanmar". For some reason, my computer does not show the Burmese script; instead, I see a series of boxes. But that's all right; I don't need that information, but I wonder whether all that pronunciation information belongs in "Etymology". Usually, that kind of information is right at the beginning of the article, and I see some pronunciation information there. What do you think? CorinneSD ( talk) 15:46, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive833#Large amount of properly sourced content is being continually deleted from Providence Religious Movement Article. ... Since you previously responded in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 141#Can a new religious group be a reliable source for its own trial?, I thought your consideration of the case would be of value. Sam Sailor Sing 11:42, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
You commented in a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard [41] on whether theses should be considered reliable. There is a question [42] on what the consensus was concerning the reliability of the specific thesis that originally prompted that discussion. Did you agree that that thesis should be considered reliable? Dezastru ( talk) 16:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller, I noticed that back in 2011 you marked Arab Spring article as 1RR bound in ARBPIA. Since then however all Syrian war related articles were put under a separate sanction system of WP:SCWGS per Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Syrian_civil_war_articles ( [43]) and ultimately community consensus from August 2013. Considering the overwhelming dominance of Syrian civil war topic in the Arab Spring and the fact that all of the disputed issues there were in fact in this way or another related to Syrian civil war, in my opinion it is a clear case where WP:SCWGS should apply. Since the ARBPIA and SCWGS sanctions are pretty much the same, we don't need both as well. Is it possible to exchange the tagging to SCWGS, or shall i request another clarification in this regard (application of SCWGS for the entire Arab Spring topic)? GreyShark ( dibra) 12:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Greyshark09: Thanks, I've done that but why do we have 2 templates? I'm not clear exactly what "Pages may be tagged with {{Syrian Civil War sanctions}}, and {{Editnotice SCW 1RR}} may be used for articles, to indicate that they are under general sanctions" means. Tag pages with one and articles with another? Can you clarify the language here for me please? Dougweller ( talk) 14:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_March_19#Semir_Osmanagi.C4.87, Sportfan5000 ( talk) 01:02, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
i actually am doing a school project and i am a girl not a guy, thank you.! and i will change everything back to how it was, i need the extra credit in my class because i am almost failing and my mom will kick my a** if i fail.! so i am doing this for a school project its just extra credit and not everyone had to do it and alot of people arnt. so if you would like to run your mouth i will run mine. i need this extra credit so i need a way to put "MR. FRIDAY" into the talk:Christopher Columbus artical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8113 ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
A comment was just added to the last section of the Talk page on George Raft, adding to a discussion that began in 2008 (in the section just above the last one). The last comment makes sense, but as an admin, would you like to weigh in on the best approach to this, and perhaps make the decisive edit? CorinneSD ( talk) 23:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Besides my request for help in disambiguating a link that I had added (see my Talk page) to Surat, would you mind taking a look at the last few edits to the article? I don't know about the last one or two, but the third from last, the one just after my edit, contains the following:
To me, this sounds like advertising. What do you think about this and the last two edits? CorinneSD ( talk) 23:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller. Thanks for providing some helpful advice to Heicth. Hopefully he heeds it. I did want to talk about another concern with that user though. I came across this discussion over on the 14th_Dalai_Lama talk page, and it struck me that ShenrabandNamdak's contribution seemed incredibly convenient for Heicth. Particularly given that ShenrabandNamdak is not a very active editor and has made six edits total. I am therefore wondering whether ShenrabandNamdak is a sock puppet of Heicth. As a more experienced editor than I, do you think I am right to be suspicious? And if so, how would you suggest I proceed? Cheers and thanks in advance for your help. Andrew ( talk) 00:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
While 3 users (kt66, Chris Fynn and myself) are patiently discussing, editing and agreeing on the article in a careful manner, user Truthsayer62 deleted pretty much all the academic material in the article! Heicth ( talk) 01:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
You said I was making false claims, but I pulled the information from a scholarly journal article. You cannot say that what I posted was not true. I was simply stating what the New Age Andean practitioners believed about Machu Picchu and its origins. You can read all about it in Michael Hill's article, "Myth, Globalization, and Mestizaje in New Age Andean Religion: The Intic Churincuna (Children of the Sun) of Urubamba, Peru." It was published by the The American Society for Ethnohistory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDoctorRobert ( talk • contribs) 15:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
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Would you mind reading the latest edit to Suriname? Is it appropriate for the article? I see at least two errors in it, a word misspelled and an incorrect capitalization. CorinneSD ( talk) 23:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I just noticed that an editor added the tag "Fact" (I guess meaning "Citation needed") to the article on Chocolate. I read the sentence where the tag was placed and then did a little searching on WP. I found some dates for the earliest consumption of cacao beans in the Americas in Cocoa beans#History. I am not sure whether another WP article can be used as a source, but perhaps the same source that is used in that "History" section could be used for the "Chocolate" article. CorinneSD ( talk) 01:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
I reverted your questioning of a source. Whatever his other wild opinions, this one looked OK when I did a quick check. It's from 1983 and up to you to check first, before questioning. Doesn't your reason look a bit like POV? I don't want to embarrass you! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 12:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller,
Yes, I had put a lot of effort into my first article--- Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Cycladic architecture---which you have deleted. It was a work in progress and I had not yet added the verifiable information. The Wiki instruction said SUBMIT FOR REVIEW WHEN YOU ARE READY (are something similar). It was not yet ready for review! This is very disappointing. Your early review of my page suggests contributors cannot trust the Wiki instructions. Is this correct? Iantomferry ( talk) 17:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Doubweller, I have read through the 'purpose' of Wikipedia:Deletion review. I am not sure I need to request a review, particularly as everthing appears so complicated. Can I simply re-commence the article, while observing the 'violation of copyright' Wiki requirements, which I now understand, even for pages being created? I would prefer not to be 'blocked' from contributing to Wikipedia in the future. I have found it to be a source of very valuable and detailed information. Please advise. Iantomferry ( talk) 19:37, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
I did not realise I was being offensive or vandalising anything on the Freshman guitar page. I apologise and promise that it will not happen again. I am about to respond to teh NeilN talk concerning Creation. I noticed you commented on it. I get the impression you believe in evolution and you think it has all your answers. I am 14, and I encourage you to think again, as we should all be searching for truth (as I am - at the moment Creation seems to provide a huge amount more answers than Evolution). Sorry as I went off topic in this message - it seemed instinctive. Sorry again for that edit on the guitar page. CollettDavid ( talk) 21:47, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, many thanks. Iantomferry ( talk) 00:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm afraid this edit looks like a knee-jerk reaction. In fact, the article uses "BC" multiple times, and the edit you reverted was making things consistent. As it turns out, there had been a discussion on the era used at Talk:David#BC/E. For what it's worth, I always check the article and/or the article history before reverting these sorts of edits. St Anselm ( talk) 12:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I said it was a duplicated paragraph and removed it in the accurate edit summary. Why do you think I should need to further explain why I removed it? Run to the hills, cos the end of the world is soon! ( talk) 20:32, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller, Thanks for the lead on sources. I will check them out. My research in he NSW State Library in Sydney turned up little on the topic, though I found a limited academic piece online. I am happy to use 'The architecture of the Cycladic Isdands' as a title. Though I did came across several existing Wiki articles with a non existent link to 'Cycladic Architecture' which in some cases was incorrectly spelt 'Cycladitic Architecture'. regards Iantomferry ( talk) 22:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Every single article that I've read here, they included 'BCE'. That is why I thought that it should be BCE, but I know now. D4iNa4 ( talk) 10:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Remove protection from article Azerbaijani people. I will not wage war. Only edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Az-507 ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
dear doughwell! i have seen that you left a message on my talk page about the ashfaz , and u nominated it for deletion. you may delete this but i have heard about ashfaz therefore i have written article on. You could delete if you feel its not benefitful . — Preceding unsigned comment added by UsmanPathanKhan ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm crossing my fingers hoping I didn't cause you serious annoyance, and apologize once again. I honestly wasn't attacking you personally and I chose my word quite poorly. Two kinds of pork ( talk) 03:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Can you please perform a WP:REVDEL on [46]? I made an edit while logged out by accident and I would like my IP address to remain private. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 09:53, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Since user:Pan Brerus refuses to answer why he has changed a referenced sentence to reflect
his own opinion into the
Italian Wars article, could you protect this article?
Also, what is your opinion on the usage of primary sources? Pan Brerus added
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At the end of the section Tokamak#Toroidal_design, we find the sentence, "In the ITER tokamak, it is expected that the occurrence of a limited number of major disruptions will definitively damage the chamber with no possibility to restore the device." (Emphasis added.) Three references are given. However, these are rather long and technical sources. How do we request that the specific page be given that explicitly states the conclusion? (It could easily be someone's POV slant, and then covered up by technical sources with conclusions that may be subject to interpretations, or may have a caveat.) Titus III ( talk) 03:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Titus III Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup/Verifiability and sources is where you need to look. {{request quotation}} or {{{{page needed}}}} That paragraph was the editor's only edit anywhere. [47] Dougweller ( talk) 14:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
As I said, Lazarus says that Hamilton is a pseudonym for Wallace Ward's son, and the USPTO says that the trademark "Mark Hamilton" is owned by Wallace H. Ward, so that's what we have about that.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 17:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Can you spare a couple of minutes between all that scoffing of cakes? Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin was created due to a POV title move some time ago. The article got moved back to Goud Saraswat Brahmin but the talk page remained where it had been redirected. I think Talk:Goud Saraswat Brahmin needs to be deleted and Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin put in its place. Ideally, Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin would then be deleted without a redirect, since it is a poorly-constructed POV title. - Sitush ( talk) 05:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Can you spare a couple of minutes between all that scoffing of cakes? Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin was created due to a POV title move some time ago. The article got moved back to Goud Saraswat Brahmin but the talk page remained where it had been redirected. I think Talk:Goud Saraswat Brahmin needs to be deleted and Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin put in its place. Ideally, Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin would then be deleted without a redirect, since it is a poorly-constructed POV title. - Sitush ( talk) 05:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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I am writing to ask about your reversion of my addition (by ozzie42, 3 Jan 2014) to the Wikipedia article "Moses". The text of the addition was:
The biblical Battle of Jericho occurred shortly after the death of Moses, and archeology of Jericho suggests this may have occurred around 1560 BCE; a date of 1399 BCE has been suggested from a possible astronomical reference in Midrash Rabbinic literature. [1]
The addition was placed after the following line about when Moses lived: Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391–1271 BCE;[6] Jerome gives 1592, and Ussher 1619 as birthyear.[7]
Your reversion note says:
(removing this, the archaeology actually suggests this didn't take place although a Creationist archaeologist disputes this)
This note briefly mentions the archeology part of the addition, but does not say anything about the part that refers to a possible astronomical date for the death of Moses. This work was published (full disclosure: by me and a colleague, since deceased) in a respected, and refereed, astronomical journal (see reference in the addition; article can be read on-line at http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2011Obs...131..248M). I would argue that the date of Moses death derived there is at least as reliable as the sources you allow: Sedar Olam, Jerome, and the Ussher chronology. The birth and death dates of Moses are of much interest, but in dispute. I feel having the various pieces of evidence in the article (including the controversial archeology) makes this section of the Moses article more complete.
Note: I have not used this talk feature of Wikipedia before.
Looking forward to your response,
Hello,
Your response to my question above was:
"You want to use T. J. Manetsch, W. Osborn: Can the Date of Moses’ Death be Determined Astronomically? The Observatory as a source. Let's see if it meets WP:RS and WP:VERIFY. First, it's not published in a peer reviewed journal.[1]. Not an impassible barrier, so who are the authors? This is Osborne [2] - he may be considered an expert on observational astronomy but not having read the paper I don't know what expertise is basically used in it. Who is the main author, "T. J. Manetsch"? Then there is WP:WEIGHT - does anyone actually mention this in a book or journal that meets our criteria? I can't find anything for that. What you can do of course is ask at Talk:Moses what others think, or WP:RSN. Oh - don't leave contact information lying around. Dougweller (talk) 16:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC)"
I don't want to quibble, but we should be correct in our facts. "The Observatory" IS a peer reviewed journal. That is what, in my field, "refereed" means when the journal was mentioned in my first post. This can be easily checked. The suitability of referencing the Observatory article in the Moses wikipedia piece can best be judged by reading the paper. A link was provided. Following your suggestion, I'll post this to the talk:Moses site to see what comes up.
Hi, thanks for pointing out slips caused by me in spree to add references, 'by Wikipedians' one was especially a blunder. BTW 'ezosoft' one was not my contribution (atleast not during this spree) and seems to be existant on the article since long. I have removed non RS citations pointed by you. Thanks again.-- Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider t c s 17:39, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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== Conversation with Cubaking Cubaking ( talk) 15:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I am posting this here as I understand I am supposed to.
January 2014[edit]
Stop icon This is your only warning; if you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Please stop adding your book (or your name) to pages. You are clearly here to promote your book, which is in any case self-published so should not be added to articles. Dougweller (talk) 13:37, 31 January 2014 (UTC) Response[edit]
Sir, Thank you for your concern. Indeed I have added my books (that you have now removed). First of all policing one author on my subject (Cuban Lucumi) and one alone is not balanced. Therefore, I respectfully question your motive and lack of balance. Secondly, I resent and dispute your statement " You are clearly here to promote your book," as I contribute to my religion that I am a senior practitioner of not only here, but all over the net. (Example) Revision[edit] Iboru Iboya, My immediate problem with this page is a lack of resources other than Chief S. Solagbade. I'm sure even S. Solabade would agree that there are many roads to knowledge and the absence of any other authors looks at best suspicious. Furthermore, there is no further reading to stimulate or acknowledge ANY other experts (or Babalawos for that matter). For those editors reading this do note the title of "Chief" (sic Yoruba) is often honorary among the Yoruba tribes :[1] I point this out simply for the unenlightened and mean no disrespect to S. Solabade. The text is OK and concise. Religion and even titles are often controversial and I like the fact it was seemingly written with this in mind. Certainly it could be expanded, yet each expansion MAY bring controversy. One difficulty in discussing this page is that the author is either from the African branch of Orisha/ Orisa worship and the majority of Orisha worshipers in the US belong to the Cuban system. Of course ANY author has to be from a particular branch, yet I'd humbly suggest to have the page a bit more balanced. About 45- 50% of the page is dedicated to the subject of Women in IFA and while this is an important issue, personally I do not think it warrants this much of the page. "Awo's" just pops up with little lead in that Baba means father and lawo means (sic/ of mysteries or secrets)....yet for the unenlightened seeing Awo is confusing... so that could be cleaned up. I'd like to see more on the Odu, something addressing the US, Cuba and Brazil, Lucumi and certainly more on IFA. Finally, the author gives a late opinion that William Bascom ( who was certainly AN expert) was THE FOREMOST....and that as we know should at the least be ONE OF THE FOREMOST.....Really, there are plenty of subtopics that are NOT controversial, Ikin for example, or they might talk about the Iro Ifa etc. The author uses the phrase "diving chain" (Opele) yet he or she does not tell the reader what that is, only what it is used for. Kola nuts though less common in the US are also used in Africa and this is not mentioned. We see a word "Ajogun" with no explanation." no one can not become a full Awo " (double negative AND I think he/she meant no one can become....The page worries me because it is VERY close to being non neutral. Awo Ogbe Sa Cubaking (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC) Cubaking (talk) 09:16, 31 March 2011 (UTC) Furthermore, I would be quite surprised if it is a policy with no exceptions that self published authors are not credible (sic). There are many who are for many valid reasons such as the lag with a traditional publisher, or control over things like translations. Finally, I am a credentialed senior Baba Awo, and know of no other Lucumi authors who have reached my rank, and that makes me noteworthy. I do not like defending myself or tooting my own horn, however it seems I must, and thus I shall. However first, I understand you are an anthropologist, and if you look at the back cover of either of the two books I added (that have been on Wiki for several years) you will notice that my book was written with the help and blessings of the Museum of Anthropology in Havana and with the blessing of the Ministry of Culture. You can reference my page at Academia.edu or scribd, or several Facebook groups, or a multitude of other sites on the Net. Perhaps you are an expect on Lucumi, Ifa, Yoruba people and post under another pseudonym that I would recognize you by. Yet this is my field and I have earned my position as I share here for you to see. Minimally I am at least as qualified and most practitioners would agree I am more qualified than many of the authors Wiki (and you) are allowing to continue to taut their on works on the exact same pages as you deleted mine from. Should you or others like personal references either in Yorubaland from sitting Araba and Ogboni or leaders of Rama in Cuba, or Latin America, I would be delighted to share them with you or a bureaucrat or the appeal board. Finally, I hope we can clear this up and contribute together on this site. Cubaking (talk) 07:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC) My Lucumi Credentials (English and Spanish) Residencias: Nogales, Sonora, Mexico / Centro Habana Godfather/ Padrino & Oluwa Siwaju Larzaro Pijuan (ogunda oworin) Rama Che che (Habana) Ile IFA: La Casa Templo Ifalowo (100+ Awo) Odu ogbe sa, ogunda di, odi ka Cuchillo / Baba Awo October 3, 2007, otura sa Hijo de Aggayu & Oshun Trabajo : Journalist, writer, author / escritor Libros: Nature's Ancient Religion: IFA & Orisha worship (ingles) ; Ifa y los Orishas: La Religion Antigua de la Naturaleza (espanol) 328 paginas Articulos: muchas Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Orunmila Groupos de Facebook: Lucumi info; Ibile Faith Society; Maria's Spiritual Awareness; Orisha -Space; Telegantolodu; Santeria; Odu access network; Ifa es para hombres; Exploratory Task Committee; ATR / YTR Bunco Squad. Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=50448906&trk=tab_pro Blog: http://bilingual.sulekha.com/default.htm email: CubaKing@gmail.com Sitio del web : http://www.amazon.com/Charles-Spencer-King/e/B002ELIWKI/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1 Aboru Aboye Greetings and my respect to all. Our religion is a positive and a beautiful celebration with Nature. Our religion is deeply rooted in education and service to The Irunmole/ Orisa, IFA, and Ancestors. I choose to recognize the contributions of not only the various noble traditions of greater Yorubaland, but each and all who were created and honored in diaspora. I recognize that there are differences (largely in mechanics), yet these differences that identify us are minuscule compared to the many similarities and values that we share. Concepts like: ori; ase; and iwa pele, IFA, odu, etc. These define us all over the world, as do the traditions that have centuries of rich history we should all respect and share. Unlike some, I do not seek to merge the storied histories of our traditions into one "super" religion. I support and defend each tradition in greater Yorubaland and diaspora, I respect their rights and obligations to their practitioners and to operate autonomously, based on their individual traditions. * Saludos y mis respetos para todos. Nuestra religión es una relación positiva y una hermosa celebración con la naturaleza. Nuestra religión está profundamente arraigada en la educación y el servicio a la Irunmole / Orisa, IFA, y sus ancestros. Elijo para reconocer las contribuciones no sólo de las diversas tradiciones nobles de Yoruba mayor, pero cada uno ya todos los que fueron creados y honrado en la diáspora.Reconozco que hay diferencias (en gran medida en la mecánica), sin embargo, estas diferencias que nos identifican son minúsculos en comparación con las muchas similitudes y valores que compartimos. Conceptos como: Ori; ASE, Iwa pele , IFA, ODU, etc. Estos nos definen en todo el mundo, al igual que las tradiciones que tienen siglos de rica historia que debemos todo el respeto y compartir. A diferencia de muchos, que no buscan fusionar los historiales de pisos de nuestras tradiciones en un "súper" la religión. Que apoyaré y defenderé cada una tradición en la mayor Yoruba y de la diáspora, yo respeto a sus derechos y obligaciones a sus profesionales y para funcionar de forma autónoma, con base en sus tradiciones individuales.
My camino is to promote, defend, and assist each and every branch (tradition) that was born from greater Yorubaland, or in diaspora from greater Yorubaland concepts and ideals. I believe that through mutual respect, admiration, communication, interaction, education and fair and equal representation our world and our traditional based religions will flourish and improve. I strongly advocate the godparent - godchild relationship, respect for the elders, the cooperation of and working with in addition to respect for, the ocha - IFA relationship.
Mi camino es el de promover, defender y ayudar a todos y cada rama (la tradición) que nació de una mayor Yoruba, o en la diáspora Yoruba de mayores conceptos e ideales. Creo que a través del respeto mutuo, la admiración, la comunicación, la interacción, la educación y la representación justa y equitativa de nuestro mundo y nuestras religiones tradicionales basadas va a florecer y mejorar. Que defendemos con firmeza el padrino - ahijado relación, el respeto por los ancianos, la cooperación y el trabajo con, además de al respeto de la OCHA - relación de IFA. My GENERAL ABSOLUTES
1) There is no such thing as mail order, telephone or internet credentials or ceremonies. To receive credentials of ceremonies, one must be face to face. Unlike other forms of divination IFA should be face to face * Exception: If and only if there has been a significant history of face to face divination a reading can be done via phone or internet or mail. Accepted Example: A godchild who is in Iraq asks their godparent in La Habana for a reading on an important matter.There MUST be a significant history of face to face divination. 2) There is no absolute for an error, be it in a ceremony or with one's credentials, each case is handled individually. There is no substitute for education, education is perpetual as we are all students with much to learn. 3) Respect is earned not given blindly,yet rank is important as is tenure and must be observed once credentials are verified. All elders obviously have tenure, yet earned rank is ultimately the last word. That being said, tenure is much more cherished, revered and respected than rank. 4) IFA needs Orisha (Irunmole) worship just as Orisha worship needs IFA, the two should walk hand in hand. Beware of those that seek to circumvent IFA, they have a personal agenda, 5) ONLY three or more qualified IFA priests can confirm with Orunmila who is our ruling Orisha and what is One's ruling Odu. 6) A minimum of 16 qualified IFA priests are required to confirm an IFA priest 7) There are no substitutes for sacrifices as one "college" suggests 8) Orisha worship and IFA do not see skin color,or gender, but they do see character (ori/iwa pele). 9) Orisha worship and IFA are not exclusionary religions or ways of life, unlike some forms of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, they can and do sometimes compliment other forms of veneration. 10) Nature is a central theme of both IFA and Orisha worship and is to be cherished, respected and nurtured whenever possible. Never should you see any follower of our religion litter, pollute or disrespect any part of Nature. 11) Ashe (Ase) is a form of transferable positive energy that can be found in natural things be they alive or dead or inanimate such as a rock or non living seashell. Ashe is acquirable through knowledge and transferable with much more knowledge. 12) Man was made in the image of the Orishas (Irunmole), not visa versa. 13) Ire and Osogbo are of equal power, but what can always tip the balance for Ire is Ashe, because of this, light is ultimately stronger than darkness. There is no such thing as negative Ashe. 14) There are many excellent forms of divination, yet the most complete is IFA when used by a trained IFA priest or priestess, 15) Ikin are the preferred tool for divination 16) The diviner's skill is not only in how many Odu messages, Pataki, and Ebbo they know, but in matching the correct Odu to a question or situation, matching the correct ese (verse) and pataki (legend) to describe it and matching the correct Ebbo/ebo (cure) to find the answer or solution. *****************
Mis ABSOLUTOS GENERALES 1) No hay tal cosa como correo para las credenciales, por teléfono o Internet o ceremonias. Para recibir las credenciales de las ceremonias, hay que ser cara a cara.A diferencia de otras formas de adivinación Ifa debe ser cara a cara * Excepción: Si y sólo si ha habido una historia significativa de cara a cara la adivinación de una lectura que se puede hacer por teléfono o por Internet o por correo. Aceptado Ejemplo: un ahijado que está en Irak pide a su padrino en La Habana para una lectura en un matter.There importante tiene que ser una historia importante de cara a cara la adivinación. 2) No hay absoluta de un error, ya sea en una ceremonia o con las propias credenciales, cada caso se maneja de forma individual. No hay sustituto para la educación, la educación es permanente mientras que son todos los estudiantes con mucho que aprender. 3) El respeto se gana no se da a ciegas, sin embargo, el rango es importante como es la tenencia y debe ser observado una vez se verifiquen las credenciales. Todos los ancianos, obviamente, tiene la tenencia, el rango es en última instancia, sin embargo, ganó la última palabra. Dicho esto, la tenencia es mucho más apreciado, venerado y respetado que el rango. 4) IFA necesita Orisha (Irunmole) adoran al igual que el culto orisha necesita IFA, los dos deben caminar de la mano. Tenga cuidado con aquellos que tratan de eludir la IFA, que tienen una agenda personal, 5) Sólo tres o más Awo de Ifá calificados puede confirmar con Orunmila, que es nuestro Orisha gobernante y lo que es uno de Odu gobierna. 6) Un mínimo de 16 Awo de Ifá cualificados son necesarios para confirmar un sacerdote de Ifá 7) No hay sustitutos para los sacrificios como una "universidad", sugiere 8) el culto orisha y el IFA no se ve color de la piel o el género, pero sí ver el carácter (ori / iwa pele). 9) el culto orisha y el IFA no son las religiones excluyentes o modos de vida, a diferencia de algunas formas de islamismo, el judaísmo y el cristianismo, se puede y se complementan a veces, otras formas de veneración. 10) La naturaleza es un tema central tanto de IFA y de culto orisha y es para ser apreciado, respetado y cultivado siempre que sea posible. Nunca debe usted ve cualquier seguidor de la religión de nuestra camada, contaminar o falta de respeto hacia cualquier parte de la naturaleza. 11) Ashe (ASE) es una forma de transferir energía positiva que se puede encontrar en las cosas naturales ya sea vivo o muerto o inanimado, como una piedra o concha marina vida no. Ashe es adquiribles a través del conocimiento y transferibles con mucho más conocimiento. 12) El hombre fue hecho a imagen de los Orishas (Irunmole) y no viceversa. 13) Ire y Osogbo son de igual potencia, pero lo que siempre se puede inclinar la balanza para Irlanda es Ashe, debido a esto, en última instancia, la luz es más fuerte que la oscuridad. No hay tal cosa como Ashe negativo. 14) Hay muchas formas excelentes de adivinación, sin embargo, el más completo es el IFA cuando se usa por un sacerdote o sacerdotisa entrenada IFA, 15) Ikin son la herramienta preferida para la adivinación 16) La habilidad del contador del tiempo no es sólo en la cantidad de mensajes ODU, Pataki, y Ebbo que saben, pero en el que coincida con el Odu correcta a una pregunta o una situación, igualando la correcta ESE (verso) y Pataki (leyenda) para describir y juego la correcta Ebbo / ebo (cura) para encontrar la respuesta o solución. Positions: 1) Women in IFA: I am PRO Women in IFA and for the equality of women in general. 2) I do not participate nor lead any ceremony where rank is involved outside of my own Ile in Havana, unless I am assisting my Godfather, Lazaro Pijuan. I do not preform consultations with others outside of my ile in Havana, nor do I use IFA for divination for anyone outside of my ile in Havana. I do not preform Ebbo (ebo) for anyone outside of my ile in Havana other than myself for a fee. I receive no fee's for any advice or divination. Should someone wish me to introduce them or arrange for a trip to Havana for them to receive a service and wish my company , I accept the cost of all transportation and taxes, lodging and food FOB Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. Should I be speaking publicly or attending a conference, I accept the costs of my transportation and taxes, lodgings and food, and a prearranged per diem fee. I have no Godchildren, nor plan to have any, as my Odu is educating the masses, not individuals one at a time. 3) Gays and Lesbians in IFA : Due to the fact that my ile IFA in Havana prohibits Gays and Lesbians admission to our ile IFA, my personal feelings are irrelevant, as I obey the taboo's of our ile. 4) Ode Remo vs Awo Falokun : I am presently neutral on this situation, although I have and will continue to commentate and agree or disagree with comments made by either Ode Remo and its members or Awo Falokun and or his supporters. (Examples: My note on gossiping and my note on Cyberbullying are direct rebuttals to Awo Falokun's stated opinions.) Having said I am neutral does not change the fact that Ode Remo has ruled on this matter and Awo Falokun has accepted their ruling. 5) IFA College: I am anti many of the teachings and mechanics of Phillip Neimark and IFA Foundation. Mr. Neimark has largely moved from Cuban Lucumi to Traditional Yoruba practice that he has torn apart and remade in his own image. He has yet to produce his Tradicional Yoruba credentials and identify where the allegded ase is from, nor his credentials of who trained him and the extent of his training. 6) I am anti any form of unification or merging of the various traditions of IFA and or Orisha worship (ocha) into one Super religion. 7) I am anti any opinions that one tradition (including but not limited to traditional practices in greater Yorubaland) is stronger, or more powerful than any other, for me they are simply different, neither is my public opinion that my beloved Lucumi stronger or more powerful than any other tradition inside or outside greater Yorubaland. 8) I am neutral on those who consult using other forms of divination besides IFA through Skype, mail order, letters, wire, or telephone, whereas IFA is always done face to face unless (see lone exception under General Absolutes #1). 9) I believe we each have ori (divine spirit somewhat like soul) yet I do not believe a ceremony is necessary to access it. 10) I strongly advocate education and continuing education, all IFA priests are students for life 11) I believe in the Irunmole and/ or Orisha (orisa) 12) I believe in the Ancestors or Eggun/ egun. I believe that all mankind worships these the same, thus I am a DNA supporter of Haplogroups and MT dating. Those that insist I am not black enough to worship my Eggun the same as Yoruba....I am anti their opinion. 13) I believe the Ancestors include lineage ancestors, and these are a significant component of the Ancestors. 14) I believe in the concept of Ashe/ ase that it is collectible and can be transferable after it is acquired if one has the knowledge 15) I believe in The Dead ( Los muertos) and separate them from the Ancestors 16) I believe in Odu IFA and the 16 Laws of IFA. I believe in Odu determining destiny (camino), I believe in celebrating and respecting Nature, as well as balance. I believe in supporting and defending those religions and ways of life that have tolerance and respect for the beliefs of others outside their faiths, and those who respect the right of those inside their faiths to study and investigate other religions or ways of life. For example: I do not respect Islam because of its intolerance, yet respect Hinduism and the Tao (to name two of many examples) because of their tolerance. Posiciones: 1) Las mujeres en IFA: Yo soy la mujer de PRO en IFA y por la igualdad de las mujeres en general. 2) que no participan, ni llevar a cualquier acto en el rango está involucrado fuera de mi propia Isla en La Habana, a menos que esté ayudando a mi padrino, Lázaro Hernández Pijuan. Me no preforma consultas con otras personas fuera de mi ile en La Habana, ni puedo usar IFA para la adivinación para cualquier persona fuera de mi ile de La Habana. No me preforma Ebbo (EBO) para cualquier persona fuera de mi ile de que no sea yo Habana por una tarifa. Que no reciben la cuota para cualquier consejo o adivinación. Si alguien me quiere para introducirlos o los arreglos para un viaje a La Habana para que reciban un servicio y desea mi compañía, yo acepto el costo de todo el transporte y los impuestos, alojamiento y comida FOB Nogales, Sonora, México.¿Debería hablar en público o de asistir a una conferencia, yo acepto los costos de mi transporte e impuestos, alojamiento y comida, y una tarifa preestablecida por viáticos.No tengo ahijados, ni tiene ningún plan para, como mi Odu es educar a las masas, no uno los individuos a la vez. 3) Gays y Lesbianas en IFA: Debido al hecho de que mi ile IFA en La Habana prohíbe a gays y lesbianas de admisión a nuestra Isla IFA, mis sentimientos personales son irrelevantes, ya que obedecen al tabú es de nuestro ile. 4) Ode Remo vs Awo Falokun: Actualmente soy neutral en esta situación, a pesar de que tienen y seguirán teniendo para ser comentados y estoy de acuerdo o en desacuerdo con las observaciones formuladas por cualquiera de Ode Remo y sus miembros o Falokun y Awo o de sus partidarios. (Ejemplos: mi nota sobre chismes y mi nota sobre ciberacoso son réplicas directas a opiniones vertidas Awo Falokun de.) Sin embargo, ha sido establecido por Ode Remo Falokun que no tiene las credenciales para dar a los demás ceremonias que implican rango o ase. Por lo tanto lamentablemente, cualquiera que haya recibido de la ase. AseFalokun adquiridos sin ningún valor, y obtuvo rango con ninguna credibilidad. 5) Colegio IFA: Yo estoy en contra de muchas de las enseñanzas y la mecánica de Phillip Neimark y la Fundación IFA. Sr. Neimark en gran medida ha pasado de Cuba lucumí de la práctica tradicional Yoruba que se ha desgarrado y rehecha en su propia imagen. Él todavía tiene que producir sus credenciales Tradicional Yoruba y identificar donde el ase es de allegded,ni sus credenciales de quien lo entrenó 6) Yo estoy en contra de cualquier forma de unificación o fusión de las diversas tradiciones de IFA y Orisha o adoración (OCHA) en una religión Super. 7) Yo estoy en contra de cualquier opinión que una tradición (incluyendo pero no limitado a las prácticas tradicionales en la mayor Yoruba) es más fuerte, o más poderoso que cualquier otro, para mí son simplemente diferentes, no es mi opinión de que mi amada Lucumí más fuerte o más poderosa que cualquier otra tradición dentro o fuera de mayor Yoruba. 8) Yo soy neutral en los que consultan con otras formas de adivinación, además de IFA a través de Skype, por correspondencia, cartas, cables, o por teléfono, mientras que la IFA se hace siempre cara a cara, a menos (véase la única excepción en Absolutos general n ° 1). 9) Yo creo que cada uno tiene Ori (espíritu divino algo así como el alma), pero no creo que un acto es necesario para acceder a ella. 10) que un fervoroso partidario de la educación y la formación continua, todos los sacerdotes de Ifá son los estudiantes para la vida 11) Creo en el Irunmole y / u orisha (orisha) 12) Creo que en los ancestros o eggun / egun. Creo que todos estos cultos la humanidad de la misma, por lo tanto soy un defensor de los haplogrupos del ADN y datación MT. Aquellos que insisten en que no soy lo suficientemente negro para adorar a mi Eggun el mismo Yoruba .... Yo estoy en contra de su opinión. 13) Creo que los antepasados son los antepasados del linaje, y que no todos los antepasados de sangre pertenecen al grupo conocido como los antepasados. 14) Yo creo en el concepto de Ashe / asa que es de colección y pueden ser transferibles después de que se adquiere si se tiene el conocimiento 15) Creo en The Dead (Los Muertos) y separarlos de los Ancestros 16) Creo en Odu Ifa y las 16 Leyes de la IFA. Creo en el destino para determinar Odu (camino), creo que en la celebración y el respeto a la naturaleza, así como el equilibrio.Creo en apoyo y defensa de las religiones y formas de vida que tienen la tolerancia y el respeto a las creencias de los demás fuera de sus creencias, y los que respetar el derecho de las personas dentro de sus creencias para estudiar e investigar otras religiones o formas de vida. Por ejemplo: no respetar el Islam, debido a su intolerancia, sin embargo, respetar el hinduismo y el Tao (por nombrar dos de los muchos ejemplos), debido a su tolerancia Cubaking (talk) 07:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC) Virtually all of your edits add your book to an article. So, you seem to be only here to add your book. That's a conflict of interest for a start, see WP:COI and reason enough for my warning, let alone the fact that you haven't been able to get a publisher. See also WP:TLDR. If I left other self-published books behind (which I tried not to do) then remove them. Dougweller (talk) 08:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC) Response[edit]
" Virtually all of your edits add your book to an article." I gave you an example that you have ignored. " So, you seem to be only here to add your book." Why thank you for adding "seem" I suppose that is a positive step.
Once again you sling another insult that you have no idea of its voracity in " let alone the fact that you haven't been able to get a publisher." It is unfortunate you Sir continue with a combative tone and hyperbole. Perhaps I am
wrong, but I thought you were here to help, advise users like me who ARE recognized experts in their fields. I addressed the self publishing issue in my first response, however to continue, you Sir, have absolutely zero information to support your assertion that " let alone the fact that you haven't been able to get a publisher. Therefore it is NOT a "fact", it is a supposition on your part, that happens to be incorrect, and abusive. I submit that you have overstepped your authority, in making sweeping statements, regarding me and my credentials. I expected more from someone who has risen the ranks through hard work, many hours, and valuable contributions. I do not know you, and I am puzzled why you have an agenda that includes me. Otherwise you would not be accusatory, you would be offering to help. Did I rub some friend of yours the wrong way? I am really puzzled why we can not have a discussion without you accusing me or attempting to belittle me, because I am a fairly easy fellow to get along with. My contributions to Lucumi, Ifa and Yoruba are well documented and extensive, as I said I am delighted to provide personal references from the top ranking individuals (Arabas and Ogboni) in Nigeria, Cuba or the US. If your goal is to drive recognized experts in their fields away from Wiki, with insults, innuendo, and spin you are succeeding. Disappointed I remain, Cubaking (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2014 (UTC) Cubaking ( talk) 15:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Regarding this summary, it is probably not a coincidence that Acharya is commonly considered to be a Brahmin last name.
More generally, the problem has been a combination of the usual newbie issues, socking by Buddhakahika & co plus a vast amount of POV pushing from the Vishwkarma community. The last relates to an incident of around a century ago, from which the community claim that they are Brahmin. I've never yet managed to find a source that says anything more authoritative than that they claim the status - no-one except the community itself seems to agree with them. I've still got some books on my shelf + some links to check out, though. - Sitush ( talk) 16:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Re:Common name -- Bejnar ( talk) 16:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
May I suggest that you will be unable to convince "true believers", and that short responses in terms of policy and guidelines will be most efficient in response to them. Let us keep focused on the goal. You, and they, have laid out the battlefield. The goal, as I see it, is to achieve consensus among un-emotionally attached editors, within the guidelines, regardless of whether "true believers" join in that consensus. If we can come up with concrete proposals, then an RFC becomes possible. I actually agree that a political article, even as a stub, at "Zomi" would help, but only if we have an acceptable name for the whole group, which only scratches the surface of the other problems, but, one step at a time. -- Bejnar ( talk) 16:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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Please remove Yoel Natan as he is not part of the source you quoted. He is extremely biased, considered unreliable and likely a nut. He also would need his own reference and does not belong in the intro even if he was a reliable source. Do not add commentary and then hide it in the referenced material. That is deceptive and not what wiki is about.
Please remember early Islamic law is not the same as modern Sharia law. It would be better to use early Islamic law to be more precise. The reference does not have anything to do with Natan's claims. You would need a separate reference for those numbers. So I will take that out at a later date if you fail to provide a reference for those claims of Natan. Please use an appropriate reference or remove.
What is your connection to Yoel Natan as I have researched your past edits and see disturbing similarities in bias. Are you one and the same? If so please remember wiki is not a place to promote oneself. It would also be considered original research. If you are someone else remember that sources need to be reliable, that is something accepted by more than a few extremists. http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/06/my-god-is-better-than-yours-iii-yoel-natan-author-of-moon-o-theism-believes-dinosaurs-roamed-the-earth-with-humans/172.56.1.7 (talk) 00:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
He clealy does not understand or ignores the boomerang effect. The conversation goes downhill from there. I did ask if he was the same as the blogger Yoel Natan, but did not state he was. After reading his edits there are similiar views to the blogger so I felt it was a legitimate question and also pointed out to not promote original research or oneself if it was the case. I further stated that a source needs to be reliable as it was unknown to me that he misrepresented the source and he contradicted mainstream thought concerning the subject. It represented an extremist viewpoint but it was not the fault of the source in which the author himself left some level of doubt. In those cases one would seek additional sources for clarification unless they had an extreme view to push. I later rewrote the whole statement with a neutral POV and a internal link that discussed the disputed sentences in depth. I do not know what more could of been done.
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Please remove Yoel Natan as he is not part of the source you quoted. He is extremely biased, considered unreliable and likely a nut. He also would need his own reference and does not belong in the intro even if he was a reliable source. Do not add commentary and then hide it in the referenced material. That is deceptive and not what wiki is about.
Please remember early Islamic law is not the same as modern Sharia law. It would be better to use early Islamic law to be more precise. The reference does not have anything to do with Natan's claims. You would need a separate reference for those numbers. So I will take that out at a later date if you fail to provide a reference for those claims of Natan. Please use an appropriate reference or remove.
What is your connection to Yoel Natan as I have researched your past edits and see disturbing similarities in bias. Are you one and the same? If so please remember wiki is not a place to promote oneself. It would also be considered original research. If you are someone else remember that sources need to be reliable, that is something accepted by more than a few extremists. http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/06/my-god-is-better-than-yours-iii-yoel-natan-author-of-moon-o-theism-believes-dinosaurs-roamed-the-earth-with-humans/ 172.56.1.7 ( talk) 00:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Once again I hope this helps to illustrate the dispute in question.
Can you tell me as to why the page for Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act of 1986 was deleted? Code Name True ( talk) 04:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Do we have a problem User_talk:Owsert#Copy.2Fpasting_within_Wikipedia here? I've not yet sifted through all of the changes in January but perhaps it would be worth someone emphasising my points (if you agree, of course!). - Sitush ( talk) 07:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
@ Sitush: I found [2] where his edit summary says " created a new section on relevant topic, attribute to article Arora" so I don't think so, although I'd prefer the edit summaray to say "copypaste from...". But that's a minor point and the edit you pointed out may have been just a slip. Dougweller ( talk) 13:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice about not linking to Amazon and Google Books search pages which I understand. With that said, the fact that this little known author who is often criticized on Christian websites as having questionable credentials has approximately 177 listings on Amazon according to their search (granted some are not his), and 111 by my count on Google Books, I believe the results are quite an impressive testament to his scholarship. Here is what you removed on the Alvin Boyd Kuhn page, "Over 150 of his publications can be found on Amazon.com and Google Books."
Could I instead say one of the following?
Thanks for the advice and the information about the essays. Here is the latest version' but welcome to suggestions: "The author of over 150 books, essays and published papers... Several of his works have been published or reprinted posthumously, and many are available electronically." (Not sure if it is better to say available electronically, on line, in electronic formats, etc) Radath ( talk) 23:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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Would you be interested in addressing an IP hopping "editor"? I think this statement says it all, "Not only that Yoel Natan likely is a reference to a terrorist organization with who you have remarkable same line thinking. /info/en/?search=Kahanism" -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 05:25, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
@ Kansas Bear:The link was to the article (which was pretty bad, I've removed quite a bit). I can't find the mention anywhere about you having the same line of thinking. Dougweller ( talk) 18:44, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Heres is my first post after he posted on the T-Mobile IP talk page I was on. Apparently he is unfamiliar with how data cards work, you never get the same IP, it is not the fault of the user and is not deceptive, it is the way things are. In a year I will have had hundreds of IP's of all different ranges depending on where I am at. Due to all the internal politics I chose to remain unregistered. Not joining the club, but I do add edits that help improve articles. Some in wiki really despise that and that is unwiki of them as it is open to all. I am a scholar and very much agree with a neutral POV and reliable sources that are taken in context. Some good came out of all this. The article had an very unreliable and make believe name removed, it more accurately reflects the complicated early Islamic law and traditions, and now links an article that discusses that in detail. I also found this which may shed some light on his motivation. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Kansas_Bear&direction=next&oldid=551848264 It also leads me to ask is he operating as a sock or multiple accounts to wage an agenda war? Would a user check be appropriate to see what other accounts are using the same IP as Kansas Bear. It has been done before according to his log. He may be just someone with a set POV that he wants to convey due to his political beliefs. He clearly bashes certain cultures when possible. Is he Islamaphobic? Not being Islamic and part of that argument I am not certain what really qualifies as such but I see a disturbing POV pushing and lack of regard for context when it does not suit his agenda.
Hi Dougweller. Sorry for the IVC; there seems to be an endless reservoir of frogs all quacking the same song. Tried this time to start friendly, hoping to keep this one at bay. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Your recent edit summary regarding Gene Cho at article Zhu Zaiyu was pretty funny. I have to mention though that Gene Cho is on the faculty of the University of North Texas College of Music http://music.unt.edu/faculty-and-staff/detail/19, that he's got some credibility as a music theorist and a composer, and that I've seen his work about equal temperament in Europe and China (mentioned in the article you edited) referenced by other works. Now I'm not saying that particular work and/or its thesis are necessarily reliable but by and large Cho has got some credibility. It is true through that his claims that articles from the Ark of the Covenant of the Jerusalem Temple made their way to Japan and are now housed at the Ise Grand Shrine (incredibly repeated on his UNT page!) do not do him any favor. Contact Basemetal here 17:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hey Doug--is this not rollback abuse? I don't know what ever happened with the Twinkle/rollback discussion, but these edits that were reverted (boneheaded as they were) were not vandalism. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 03:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Doug, since I know your online, there is an IP with someone who I suspect is mentally ill. It might be a good idea to block them for a while here. I am One of Many ( talk) 06:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry I do not understand what You wrote about the sources in this article, I mean about the references, I am afraid You are mistaken... -- Gian piero milanetti ( talk) 09:37, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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See Talk:Harikumar_Pallathadka#Scope_of_this_article. Should I go for WP:3O even though it is early days in the discussion? I feel that it is not going to progress and there are a shedload of other problems that I've not even mentioned in detail yet. - Sitush ( talk) 13:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Doug, I'm a little concerned about this editor who appears to have a bee in his bonnet about the Celticity of Picts. I'm stepping back from any admin related activity with him as I'm wp:involved, so it might be good for another admin to keep an eye on the situation. Cheers, Catfish Jim and the soapdish 13:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I saw you deleted the poem from the article. I'm not bothered whether or not the "long" rede is included in the article in toto, but it was decided by a debate at wikisource that it is not a copyvio. This is on the basis that Porter claimed that the poem had been passed down to her through generations of "witches". The full text is there [14] Paul B ( talk) 16:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Dougweller. I am still learning policies, and I noticed you reverted my edit here. I read your note on the summery, so if that statement is in one of the sources, then my apologies for removing it. I wanted to let you know that this source no longer exists. Is it okay for me to remove it and the statement sourced by it since the source was not found? I'll take the time to read the other sources to confirm. Thanks! Original European (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 21:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm working on a potential replacement for the List of demons in the Ars Goetia article, and I keep getting this nagging worry in the back of my head that I might be doing OR. Since Goetia is already (rightfully) treated as broader than the first book of the Lesser Key of Solomon, I thought I might just broaden it to "List of Goetic demons" and include a bunch of works that either outright describe themselves as Goetia, are discussed in relation to Goetia, or share plenty of spirits with the LKoS. This arrangement covers more than the current article, but hopefully will occupy less space as many of the demons have enough sources to be notable (turning the list into more of an article index).
My concern is that while I might have two works that overlap with the LKoS, they do not overlap with each other. For example: To say that Agares in the LKoS is Agares in the Grand Grimoire is not OR, and to say that the LKoS Agares is le Livre de Esperitz' Agarat is not either; so does it count as SYNTH to put LKoS Agares, GG Agares, and LdE Agarat next to each other as the same character? Or am I correct in assuming its just juxtaposition? Thanks. Ian.thomson ( talk) 04:47, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. I got recently some trouble with a certain user concerning besaid article. He put in some citation-labels (which was, for its self, ok). One of them was ok in my opinion and I have put sources in. The other is, in my opinion, redundant. Now the user is blindly reverting my edits instead of contacting me or just leaving the article. Could you please do something about it? Regards;-- Nephiliskos ( talk) 12:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I noticed a few edits to Clovis culture today (after I had made some edits to improve clarity and conciseness that are unrelated to the more recent edits). In one edit, a few edits back from the latest one, an editor changed "North and South America" to "Central and South America". I thought, from reading the article, that members of the Clovis culture were thought to be ancestors of most of the Native Americans in North America, if not also Central and South America. This edit leaves out North America. I wondered if that were correct. CorinneSD ( talk) 02:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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Are you uninvolved enough to put your admin hat on and get a handle on this, or should I ask someone else? I don't want to put you in a bind. Let me know. Ignocrates ( talk) 19:13, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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Can you help us improve the Cro Magnon page rather than undo edits, i think there is a lot of important information not covered-- Kovkikz ( talk) 03:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
What is inaccurate about it-- Kovkikz ( talk) 15:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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On the one hand, you are correct that those accusations, as normally used, are inconsistent, and so you must be in a middle ground. On the other hand, of course, technically an Arab supremacist IS pro-Semitic, since the Arabic language is a Semitic language and the Arabs are a Semitic people (descended from Ishmael, who was descended from Shem). The term "anti-Semitic" as a synonym for anti-Jewish has been nonsensical and obsolete in the second half of the twentieth century and the early twenty-first century, now that Arab anti-Jewishness (too often covered up as being only anti-Zionist) is a problem. Carry on. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:21, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the information regarding improper references (ireport cnn). I have cleaned that up. Rabindahal ( talk) 03:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
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Doug, I believe in the ideals of Wikipedia, but I also believe that for it to work, we should focus on our strengths and areas of expertise when editing, and tread cautiously when we are on unfamiliar ground. There is someone trying to delete Degen's eight-square identity simply because he finds it "uninteresting". (It being a consequence of Pfister's theorem, no mathematician in the world would think that.) If the results of difficult subjects like mathematics, the sciences, and others are deleted (not just edited, but total deletion) by the "preferences" and "interests" of laymen, then the scholarly integrity and content of Wikipedia will be in trouble.:-( Titus III ( talk) 07:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Dear Dougweller: Thanks for your interest/assistance regarding the Bat Creek article--I'm not a Wikipedia expert, obviously. I read the links that you provided me with regarding the no-no's of "original research" &c, but am still confused as to why you deleted the addition, in part because nothing that I posted seems to violate any of the criteria: all of the references are factual, readily verifiable, and so on. Macoy's book doesn't (of course) mention the Bat Creek stone, but it is referenced in the discussion, so I'm not clear as to why a list of the sources that he might have borrowed from can't be mentioned. Nor am I clear as to why the fact that the "Holiness to the Lord" inscription appeared frequently in nineteenth-century theological works should be considered irrelevant to the larger discussion. I'm sure that you are as busy as I am, and I hate to take up more of your time, but I did spend some time writing the business up, and don't like to think that it was wasted! Zimiamvia ( talk) 19:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I've just redirected a new article here on the grounds that it is a coatrack job and in grave danger of breaching BLP.
Some of the issues mentioned are noted in the Jayalalithaa article and many more have been discussed at that article's talk page. Mostly, the things mentioned were allegations rather than charges, and they got nowhere. Maybe Jayalalithaa is good at avoiding court cases etc or maybe this is just the usual Indian political game of unsubstantiated muck-raking supported by a hyperbolic, breathless media but - either way - the article seemed to be quite a jump.
Was I wrong to redirect? I did leave a note at the creator's talk page. - Sitush ( talk) 09:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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Created a new page for academic Kurt Noll but can't seem to fix the reference error even after reading the help page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radath ( talk • contribs) 10:05, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Isonomia 82.6.107.192 ( talk) 13:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Regarding your recent edit :Recent excavations in the Timna Valley discovered what may be the earliest camel bones found in Israel or even outside the Arabian peninsula, dating to around 930 BCE. This is seen as evidence that the stories of Abraham,Joseph, Jacob and Esau were written after this time.[68][69]
Can you please note that the evidence of pictures of people riding on camels on cylinder seals contradicts the claims made last week that the patriarchs did not ride on camels. I suggest the following text to replace your original:
Recent excavations in the Timna Valley discovered what is claimed to be the earliest camel bones found in Israel or even outside the Arabian peninsula, dating to around 930 BCE. Some have argued that this is evidence that the stories of Abraham,Joseph, Jacob and Esau were written after this time.[68][69] Nevertheless, the presence of camels on cylinder seals in Mesopotamia dating as far back as 1800BCE is seen by many as evidence that camels were already domesticated in the days of Abraham. See for example http://art.thewalters.org/detail/27381/cylinder-seal-with-a-two-humped-camel-carrying-a-divine-couple/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.96.91 ( talk) 22:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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Yes, of course they all know about the seals (except for Ben Yosef, it appears). So this one secular Israeli guy finds a bone and makes the outrageous claim that camels weren't domesticated until 900BCE when we all know they were domesticated much earlier. (Camels were used by important wealthy foreign folk like Abraham, who was not from Canaan, and were considered exotic and a sign of wealth. See the letter below.) How arrogant and ignorant for someone to assume that the lack of bones in Canaan is evidence that no one used camels in the middle east until 900BCE when other documents show that camels were used a millennium earlier! And he uses this 'evidence' to score points against religious folk by claiming that this is evidence that Genesis could not have been written at the time of Moses. And your recent edit makes his outrageous claim look like fact.
This is why it needs rewording, as I suggest above. It's unprofessional to allow one's political agenda to skew one's interpretation of facts. You and Wikipedia are being used by Ben Yosef to promulgate his [redacted] agenda when you have a duty to be objective and neutral. His claims should be stated as claims, conjectures, nothing more.
Thanks, 86.147.96.91 ( talk) 11:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Shira.
With respect, you do not know my agenda. For your information, I am not a fundamentalist. People in that camp would consider me to be a heretic. I simply want you to remove an inaccurate statement, by qualifying it better. It is a matter of simple professionalism, not allowing ideology to bias interpretation of facts. The facts are clear that Ben Yosef's argument is hogwash. Anyone who knows anything knows that he has jumped to conclusions, but it makes a nice sound-bite so everyone repeats his claim without questioning his logic. Presenting it as fact undermines Wikipedia's reputation. Thank you. 86.147.96.91 ( talk) 13:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Shira.
I put that article in, the camels refer to copper mining of which no mention in the bible of the Patriarchs being involved. In the area where the Patriarchs came from North we have pictures of men riding or leading camels that date to the early second millenium BC. The are also mentioned as domesticated animals in Ugarit, which dates to the Old Babylonian period. It is an issue but it does not rule out the Patriarchs being real people. BernardZ ( talk) 16:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hello. You reverted an edit of mine on the page and I am here to explain why you were wrong, to avoid an edit-war.
I removed the unreferenced-tag on the section mentioning "Well known Vikings and Norsemen of the Viking Age", because all the references to specific individuals are given on the pages on these individuals. The section at hand just present a list of them.
You reverted that edit and wrote "we don't use other articles as references or for references, references must be in the article itself".
This would be true if we were talking about a normal text-block containing information on the subject for the specific page. This is not the case here. Not only is the situation different, it would also be unnecessary and a waste of efforts to duplicate references that is already given on a wiki-page that a list is linking to. One one point though, I would agree with you (and the one inserting the unreferenced-tag): It would be nice to have a reference to official lists of Well known Vikings and Norsemen of the Viking Age. But I am not aware of any official lists of that sort and if anyone feel they need them and tell the world, they could do so by writing on the talk page or insert a source needed template.
Unless I hear from you, I will removed the unreferenced-tag in a week or so.
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I have read your email. Perhaps the best bit of it was the quotes in the subject line: that the editor can describe him/herself in those terms is interesting, and the other self-description which you quoted from him/her in the email even more so. However, I strongly suspect that he/she really means it, and is genuinely blind to the nature of what he/she is doing. JamesBWatson ( talk) 21:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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There is something strange in the formatting at the criticism section of Christ Myth Theory. The paragraph has lost soft line breaks, and I can't seem to fix it. Radath ( talk) 15:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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I wasn't using Stephen Fitz as source, neither I ever did on main page. I was only discussing about him. James Fitzjames Stephen is him.
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There is a user called "Truthsayer62" who called edits, which were a million times better referenced, as "Vandalism". Truth is that "Truthsayer62" is part of the Shugden cult. If you look in his history, all he promotes is the Shugden cult. If you are unfamiliar with this whole topic, please ask a Buddhist. TiredofShugden ( talk) 04:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Dear Sir,
The quality of the Hungarian Turanism article was very poor. It stressed the fascist and antisemitic aspects of it, but those are a minor part of the matter. Turanism, e.g. the belief that the Hungarians have an Asian origin and Mongol and Turk kinship played and still plays an important role in Hungarian culture, including science.
The two Gestas do not mention "Turanism", but describe the Hungarians as the descendants of Huns and Scythians. I added links to these texts, available on the pages of Országos Széchenyi Könyvtár, our national library. Körösi Csoma Sándor was a follower of the Uighur-Hungarian kinship theory, this belief motivated his travel to Asia. I linked in the web page of MTA (the Hungarian Academy of Sciences) about Körösi Csoma Sándor's life.
Perhaps I broke editng rules linking to wikipedia pages, but I have not know that it is forbidden. But each and every of my edits was objective and neutral, in strong contrast with yours.
I know Hungarian history well, and believe in the power of good, quality science, and not least honesty.
Your attitude is well represented in restoring this sentence:
"According to Hungarian researchers the modern Hungarian Turanism became a kind of business called "Szittya biznisz" (Scythian business) and it has not got much to do with ancient Hungarian traditions."
The reference given is an interview, published in a weekly political magazine, with one historian, Igaz Levente, who expresses his personal opinion about the souvenir and merchandise business grow around reenactment and traditionalist groups. Leaving a sweppingly generalizing, unfounded sentence in place is not a telltale sign of a good editor.
Your work destroys the quality and reliability of, and the trust in Wikipedia, as a source of quality knowledge.
Have a nice day,
Maghasito — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maghasito ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Did any of the people involved in the recent Tarkhan-related mess end up being referred to SPI? I had some involvement in it and Sikh-history ( talk · contribs) was also there, trying to stem a tide of poor POV edits etc. I ask because the contributions of Singh31689 ( talk · contribs) seem to be following a broadly similar line of interest, including recreation (IIRC) of an article about the Ubhi clan that had been deleted. If there was a prior SPI then there might be justification for requesting a checkuser. - Sitush ( talk) 22:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
You clearly are abusing your powers arbitrarily. I demand redress of superior jurisdiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 ( talk) 19:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Mock the caged beast. Yuck it up, real impressive. Karma exists, the world sees your pettiness of spirit and lack of equity.
Oh no, I am not American English by birth, curse my inferior blood! Thus my diction and lexicon and verbose meandering can be dense and difficult and almost unintelligible at times - yet, it is still better to be a good-willed person who lacks rhetorical sophistic skill than a mere amoral rhetorician of a dessicated scholarship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 ( talk) 22:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Please see Dorje Shugden controversy page again. TiredofShugden ( talk) 05:30, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Is this Harics456 ( talk · contribs) again? The whinging, the very fractured English, the inability to capitalise names etc? - Sitush ( talk) 00:32, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
The reference link associating the basque with the Magnons is some kind of fantastical bulls*it,, out of thousands you seem to be the only editor who has a problem with my edits,, why?-- Kovkikz ( talk) 10:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Magnon, Cro Magnon, EEMH,AMHS, (or whatever their coming out with these days) were talking about Paleolithic Europeans here, all links support my edits, the variant EEMH is even mentioned in the lead-- Kovkikz ( talk) 12:14, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Kerala brahmin section. Please have a discussion before deletion. You may put a citation needed tag, if necessary.- Prasanthnnamboothiri ( talk) 13:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Here is your media attention: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/02/10/national-alliance-chairman-erich-gliebe-facing-two-million-dollar-lawsuit/ I sourced the NARRG site because they are the ones filling the lawsuit. Use the SPLC source instead if you want, the info I posted is accurate. My previous comment on the Strom case stands. I made you aware that there is copyright infringement involved. Anello.wiki ( talk) 19:54, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
You do realize you had Strom's website as the source for the claim of a continuation of the NA, so what was wrong with how I sourced my edit if the previous was sourced okay?
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I'll be honest, I was sort of using a machete approach to editing there - figured if I inadvertently cut out a decent source poorly used someone would restore it and then we could chat about it at talk. :) Simonm223 ( talk) 14:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello Doug, I stumbled across a rather curious situation and I thought you might like to know about it.
There is an author named Mike Campbell who is in the business of selling a book about Amelia Earhart. [ [15]] On his blog he claimed that a man he called “DC Dave” informed him that a reference to his book had been inserted into the article on Amelia Earhart. [ [16]] The reference was inserted into Amelia Earhart by User:RoosterEnroughty. [ [17]] “DC Dave” runs a website through which he expresses his various conspiracy theories. [ [18]] A comparison between User:RoosterEnroughty’s [ history] and “DC Dave’s” website reveals some alarming commonalities.
“DC Dave” has an obsession with James Forrestal. [ [19]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits Forrestal. [ [20]]
“DC Dave” writes about Vincent Foster. [ [21]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits Foster. [ [22]]
“DC Dave” writes about the DC madam. [ [23]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits her page. [ [24]]
“DC Dave” writes about Andy Rooney. [ [25]]
User:RoosterEnroughty edits Rooney. [ [26]] And the source he inserted was written by none other than “DC Dave”.
Now it’s difficult to be sure that User:RoosterEnroughty actually is “DC Dave”. He could, after all, simply be a “DC Dave” enthusiast. Nevertheless, the situation is all kinds of suspicious and stinks of several different brands of impropriety. Furthermore, if Mike Campbell is in cahoots with “DC Dave”, and “DC Dave” (as User:RoosterEnroughty) is promoting Campbell’s book through Wikipedia then we have a WP:COI to contend with.
I’ve never seen a situation like this before, so I figured you would be a good person to ask.
Oh, and thanks for backing me up on the new chronology. 76.107.171.90 ( talk) 09:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I noticed your recent edit and wanted to ask you to look at a BLP issue where I may be wrong. I've reverted 3 times and seem to be the only person who believes reporting a persons death requires a reference. The fact that so many seemingly different people are adding this information gives me pause, but I remain uneasy because I can not find a source myself. Please look at the matter if you have the time. The article is Paco de Lucía. Thank you.— John Cline ( talk) 09:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey, Doug. I'm answering here instead of at RSN because over there they generally seem to want questions of the form "is source X reliable for statement Y" rather than general discussions of source reliability (which is no rebuke of your post there, I'm indifferent to that kind of thing). Tami Blumenfield has become, since writing that document, an internationally recognized expert on the Na, editor of this:
and author of fairly well-cited papers (given how new they are) on the subject. She's also mentioned in pretty many acknowledgement sections by other authors. In your questioned document she says "Recognizing that publication of my book may be a distant event, I have compiled a short fact sheet that may help separate fact from fiction in the Na case." Whatever book she's talking about will certainly be a reliable source when it's published, and it's plausible that it'll be based on her dissertation, published the year after she wrote the fact sheet:
That makes me think the stuff on her fact sheet is probably mostly in her dissertation, although I can't check quickly because it doesn't seem to be available online. I think this would make it reliable for pretty much any statement of fact as it would be the author's own summary of what's unquestionably a reliable source. If you think it'd be helpful and you don't otherwise have access to it I can almost certainly get a copy of the dissertation for you in a few days. I don't know if this will help you at all, but it's no trouble for me.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 11:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Everyone agreed the Dreyfus source was the best Shugden reference. Both Chris Flynn and kt66 mention that Dreyfus should be a priority reference. But again that Shugden cultist, Truthsayer62, deleted all the direct quotes, and called them "inaccurate". TiredofShugden ( talk) 03:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Truthsayer62 is claiming Dreyfus changed history, even though Jeff Watts, who is an expert in Tibetan art, showed there was NO Shugden art before the late 1800's. I think we should reinsert that sentence into the lead Dougweller. P.S. Is it okay to register with a new name? TiredofShugden ( talk) 18:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, could you revdel these [29] [30]. vzaak 06:22, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Dear Sir,
It would be great if you would tell me in detail, why you had reverted my last edit to the article in Hungarian Turanism.
The original article has been and is very like a few pages from a kommunist book of propaganda, full of skewed and distorted, unscientific trash.
Its main sources are short articles, published in weekly political magazines. The Budapest Times and Heti Válasz are not the best points of references in scientific matters, so to speak.
This is from an interview with Igaz Levente, published in Heti Válasz politikal weeky:
"A csizmám meg ugyan jellegzetes, felkapó orrú, keleti stílusú lábbeli, ám nem titok, hogy modern cipészműhelyben, így szerszámokkal készült, ráadásul egy jó nevű veszkócsizma-készítő alkotta. De az illető képes volt az elé tett keleti szabásmintából tartós, mi több, kényelmes, gyaloglásra és lovaglásra egyaránt alkalmas, vízhatlan holmit készíteni, ami bizony az esetek többségében nem mondható el a „hagyományőrző boltokban”, például a Nazcánál kapható, kétes formavilágú portékáról. Az vegytiszta szittya biznisz.
Vagyis létezik a szittya biznisz?
Igen, kétség kívül, mint a „túloldali”, tehát hivatalossá sosem váló hagyományőrzésre, történészkedésre épült iparág, amelyet manapság sok ezer embert lát el autentikusnak, vagy korhűnek mondott árucikkekkel – a ruházat elemeitől egészen a fegyverekig, utóbbira a különböző keleti népekről elnevezett üvegszálas íjak a legjobb példa."
And the English translation of it:
"And my boots are characteristically Oriental style footwear, with whip up noses, but it is no secret, that it was made in a modern workshop, with tools, and top of it all, it was made by a reputable wester/cowboy boot maker. But the person was able to make from the Oriental patterns put in front of him a durable, even comfortable, waterproof thing, wich is suited for walking and horse riding, and this is certainly in most cases can not be said for the ambiguously styled goods sold in "traditional stores", such as "Nazca". That is pure Scythian business.
So, there is a Scythian business?
Yes, without doubt, as an industry built to the "opposing", so officially never recognised, traditionalism, historicism, which supplies thousands of people with goods said to be authentic, or faithful to the period - from parts of clothing to weapons, the latter is best exemplified by fiberglass bows, named after Oriental peoples."
This is a personal opinion of Igaz Levente, and not a scientific fact.
My edits were objective, factual and referenced. My sources and references are reliable, like The Chatolic Lexicon,the Electronic Library of The Hungarian National Library, "Valóság", the journal of Hungarian Lyceum, the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, and the works of Vámbéry, and Max Müller.
I know Hungarian History well. I believe in free speech, in the freedom of science, and I hate any kind of censorship.
Your editorial work in this case was/is nothing else, just plain censorship.
Have a nice day,
Maghasito — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maghasito ( talk • contribs) 12:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry to bother you with this, I have been searching for an admin. Basically this user 67.188.88.161 ( talk · contribs) has admitted to being a banned sock puppet (you will need to read his two posts), I respect his honesty and he's admitted he only coming back to Wikipedia to reply to a post so he probably won't be coming back, but as he has been banned on quite a few accounts and IPS, I believe he should still be blocked per Wikipedia policy. If you have time perhaps you could look into it. Thanks. Goblin Face ( talk) 22:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi again Doug. I just wanted to get your view on User talk:Mahmoodyaqub. He made edits [31] which i felt had no citations and were something of an advertisement for the website, so I deleted parts of what was written. [32]. Other thing I noticed was that the article was coming across as more about the program than the speaker itself. Anyway, he reverted me back to how it was, and also removed the "ad", so to speak [ [33]]. I've no intention of going into an edit war (I put that down to exams and laziness) and so I notified him that I'd bring in a third-view. [34]. Judging from his talk page, its not the first time he's been warned about adding ads. Could you have a look please, and edit the article and his talk page as you see fit. GiggsIsLegend ( talk) 15:58, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. Thank you for your input in this matter. I am a novice in making new subjects here in Wikipedia. I have "asked" someone in Wikipedia, whose passion seems to be anything about golf, to make the 2014 edition of this new LPGA event. I just do not know how to make such a page easy, for ordinary Wikipedia editors and readers alike, to read. For example, I think it will need a new infobox, for starters. Never mind inputting images relevant to the subject at hand. I hope you could help me here, if you want. Rockies77 ( talk) 08:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Because you took care of some similar earlier edits by this IP, I'd like you to take a look at this edit summary: [35], and delete it if you think it's appropriate to do so. (I reported it yesterday at RFPP, but was turned down there.) Thanks! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
If some-body is suspended for a mistake, how long does it lasted to reconciliation, the person becomes anonymous, and if student mistakenly wrote 'A' where he/her would write 'B' what would Instructor do: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.206.11.73 ( talk) 13:01, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
If some-body is suspended for a mistake, how long does it lasted to reconciliation, the person becomes anonymous, and if student mistakenly wrote 'A' where he/her would write 'B' what would Instructor do: 41.206.11.71 ( talk) 13:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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I did as you suggested and removed the map on Template:Indo-European topics. Krakkos ( talk) 20:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I was logged in on my PC and my daughter did something to the Poodle and Pie pages. Although she has been told not to edit Wikipedia, even under her own name- she is eleven- she was experimenting with the text editing and didn't realise that the page was 'live'.
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Doug, I've looked at some of your edits around Wiki and I think you do great work.
I have two questions/concerns though regarding edits on the Aaron Jack page. The page says he is an American businessman and politician. That is not exactly accurate. He is a businessman but he is a former politician. That is a huge distinction that needs to be addressed.
Secondly, the wording of the sentence which begins, "According to the Topeka Capitol-Journal," is written in a way which suggests the Capitol-Journal is reporting that Jack was asked to resign or be fired as opposed to resigning voluntarily. I have searched everywhere and there is not a shred of evidence, other than the quote in this article or that which was derived from this article which seconds the notion Jack was forcibly given such an ultimatum. Jack says he resigned voluntarily and his going immediately back to the private-sector suggests this is a true or at least plausible statement. In truth, this appears to be a "he said, she said" disagreement. At any rate, shouldn't the sentence be re-worded so as not to suggest the Capitol-Journal is taking one side or the other?
Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, KS Chamber — Preceding unsigned comment added by KansasChamber ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I've opened a thread on you stalking my edits: [38]. -- Lokalkosmopolit ( talk) 18:16, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
86.181.139.204 keeps saying that Richard Carrier is a blogger rather that an Ivy League educated historian and author of several published books. This same Christian inserted a Criticism section at Bart D. Ehrman. The talk page section indicates that a Criticism section made up primarily of Christian apologetics is useless. RosylynGrock ( talk) 15:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
User:Truthsayer62 has been making false charges of vandalism again, reinserting self-published material, and removing sourced material from Robert Thurman at 3 different pages. Heicth ( talk) 19:34, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, this is TiredofShugden. It has recently come to my intention that Wikipedia has a strict policy of biographies of living individuals. Clearly the four manufactured "controversies" at the 14th Dalai Lama should be deleted. Please advise. Heicth ( talk) 19:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that an editor changed the birth year and age at death for George Raft with no edit summary. I have no way to know which figures are correct. What do you recommend? CorinneSD ( talk) 17:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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I've tried rolling back but cannot do it. I also tried searching for sources again, obviously. I've left a note on their talk page but basically the Ourambhr redirect needs to be deleted entirely. This cannot be done with the standard CSD rationales, unless A3 applies. Technically, re-PRODing is not a great idea but it is possible because the new redirect title differs in spelling from the previously deleted title. AfD won't work now because they've set it up as a redirect, so that seems to leave WP:RFD. If it gets deleted at RfD then I could deploy CSD G4 next time they try to promote their non-notable last name. Does RfD seem like the best option to you? - Sitush ( talk) 23:16, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, Dougweller. I reverted this edit on Neanderthal because I felt uncomfortable with the sources selected. I was reverted here, claiming that the sources are indeed reliable, and that I am a "POV-pusher", though arguably the other user is the one pushing POV by asserting that Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons never interbred by citing TheGuardian, The Telegraph, and ScienceDirect, which is from 2012 and 2013, and does not represent modern interpretations. Would you mind giving your opinion and/or sharing your knowledge regarding the sources? Ice Age (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In short--
1. I need to shorten all quotations which I encapsulated within quotation marks. 2. All my paraphrases of another authors quotes must be rewritten entirely in my own words with infrequent direct quotes from the author within quotation marks.
Would this suffice?
Thank you.
CWatchman ( talk) 22:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Would you mind taking a look at the latest edit to Mumbai? Besides adding content that probably does not belong there, the last part of the reference sounds like an advertisement. What do you think? CorinneSD ( talk) 01:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, That caption is not complete, it needs more detail, which captivity? where? I'm talking about this [40], just want to see how you see these things, KhabarNegar Talk 17:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In your revision of a certain editor's work on the page "Sons of Ham," you wrote 'rv nonsense...Wolof is not even in the same class as Ancient Egyptian.' First off, you are in no position to call another person's work nonsensical. Secondly, if you know anything about language classification, and how they are related to the sons of Ham, you will realize that the current language classifications have nothing to do with the sons of Ham.
They are primarily based on CONJECTURE: an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information. Let me break it down further for you, before you make any further errors. For example, John Greenberg labelled African languages on a RANDOM sampling of 50 words or less. And thus, classified African languages as such.
He did not take into account that most African languages can have more than one word to describe nouns, adjectives, suffixes, et cetera. Some African languages do not even have specific language families yet, even large languages like Songhai! Some are improperly classified, and yet others, are unknown. Others cause headaches - like Ongota.
Here's a startling example: Hebrew and Arabic are considered Afro-Asiatic, right? Yet, the MAJORITY of Afro-Asiatic languages (over 250) are found in Africa. Hebrew and Arabic are the only ones that spilled outside the continent of Africa. Hebrew and Arabic arose from Eastern Africa. Hebrew and Arabic are considered Semitic, but their African brethren who speak 'thus-classified' Afro-Asiatic languages are considered Hamitic.
How is that possible? So which is which: Semitic or Afro-Asiatic? Where does one classification begin and the other end?
Indians, Bangladeshi, Nepalese, Japanese, Mandarin, and even the now extinct Manchu language of China are descended from Shem. Are those languages considered Semitic? Of course not.
So when you write that 'Wolof is not even in the same class as Ancient Egyptian..' Class has nothing to do with what the fact is: and the fact is Wolof, as well as most languages of Eastern Africa, down to Southern Africa, and those in Western Africa, all have roots in the Nile Valley: Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia.
Just because they are not classified as so by hoity-toity linguists who consider their limited knowledge to be so superior when they really are pseudo-linguists, does not make common knowledge disappear. You should read Cheikh Anta Diop's Precolonial Black Africa.
Also, languages evolve over time. Just because Modern English does not say 'Thee' or 'Thou,' does that mean Modern English is no longer an Anglo language? Of course not.
This rigor-mortis-like attention to language class (or using it's cover to hide your ulterior motives) is not going to help nor work for you. Ramesses III's DNA matches that of people in the Great Lakes of Africa (Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Congo, Rwanda, Burundi). But of course you're going to say 'lo, but the Great Lakes languages are not classified as Ancient Egyptian!
Wolof is not classified as Semitic, nor Afro=Asiatic, but the language is still virtually identical to Ancient Egyptian. Do not let cultural bias cloud your work when you are editing a website that isn't even yours. Either that, or go start your own encyclopaedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebkheperiaure ( talk • contribs) 20:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Since you're an administrator, would you mind looking at the last ten or so exchanges of edits to Bangladesh? Aditya Kabir seems to be a thoughtful, responsible editor, and other editors keep reverting. The article might need to be semi-protected for a while. CorinneSD ( talk) 00:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that an editor has replaced a huge amount of text that was deleted by another editor with a very long letters-and-numbers IP address for no apparent reason. Shouldn't that editor who deleted so much of the article be temporarily blocked or at least warned? CorinneSD ( talk) 01:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Please see new user's 1st edit userpage. It appears to be WP:UP#PROMO and WP:USERBIO (and unsourced BLP)? And also, there is personal information in that edit's edit summary. —Telpardec ( talk) 07:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
In the second paragraph in the lead/lede of the article on Barley, I wanted to add a conversion template to convert the square kilometer figure to square miles. I know how to add the template, and I did, and checked it in Preview, but it ended up with parentheses inside of parentheses, which didn't look good, so I didn't save it. It ends up being 219,000 square miles. I thought about adding, after a comma, "or 219,000 sq. mi.", but I realized I had not often seen "sq. mi." in WP articles, so I didn't save it. What do you suggest? (If you would rather I not bother you with minor things like this, please let me know.) CorinneSD ( talk) 02:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, thanks for your recent contributions at Aamir Liaquat Hussain, you restored a deadlink and the information it referred into the article citing WP:DEADLINK, i will urge you to remove that please since this article is about a living person and this information is controvercial and insulting to a living person and it should be removed unless verifiable as per WP:BLP. Thank you. Sajjad Altaf ( talk) 13:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller Thanks so much for taking the time to review the copy. By "appears to be copyrighted" do you mean the sentence about the roots of holism? I wrote much of the page on EdgarCayce.org so thought I could use it. Or do you mean that I can't quote a line from the Journal of AMA? I thought a sentence was OK. Many thanks for clarifying. Alison — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alison.ray ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Help, i was indifinately blocked by Ststerwalker for disrupt editing, and it affected my studies with school of open 'oer' etc, the suspension for the mistake has been long, started in 2013, and how many months suspension? Thanks for understanding fate of scholars, am Jesmion 41.203.65.171 ( talk) 05:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Help, i was indefinitely blocked by Stwalkerster for disrupt editing in 2013, and affects my studies with 'oer' wikipedia school of open, the suspension has been long, and how many months would a student be suspended for participating in a school class, we are now in Round 1/week 3 of wikisoo wikipedia school of open, and i couldnt write at Etherpad or student's page discussion since 2013, except by Youtube or twitter, considering the fate of learner, please help! am Jesmion 41.203.65.171 ( talk) 05:43, 15 March 2014 (UTC) LGBT Right in Iraq I was just recopying what I saw in the summary (it has the citation). Got any questions? Let me know. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jllproductions ( talk • contribs) 06:57, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I have questions about two recent edits to Radiocarbon dating:
1) In the latest edit, an editor changed the American "artifacts" "back to British spelling" and changed one other instance of "artifacts" to "artefacts". I thought WP:ENGVAR discouraged that kind of change unless the article is clearly already written in one variant or the other or the topic is clearly of a certain area where a particular variant is used. Both spellings are given in Wiktionary. Do you want to make a determination on this?
2) In the edit just before that one, an editor changed "datable by other techniques" to "dated by other techniques". The edit summary says "for readability", but "datable by other techniques" might make more sense in the context. What do you think? CorinneSD ( talk) 14:50, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Do you know anything about marine zoology, specifically Dolphins? Please see the note I left at User talk:Rothorpe and, earlier, at User talk:BabyNuke, who has edited the article in the past. CorinneSD ( talk) 16:35, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Weird choice to add an EL for Rick Still after you just explained there are no RS to connect Still with Hill. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I dont have a fix IP address Thunderpilot ( talk) 16:49, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
This user ( other account) is using multiple accounts to edit war on serval pages, what should I do? I have asked him to make a comment on the corresponding talk pages, but he won't do it. This account also appears to be one of his. He has also continued to remove sourced content. AcidSnow ( talk) 23:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
That has been unsourced for two years. I think that is long enough to find some sourcing. If you cannot that you cannot include it into a BLP, much less any WP article. You are an admim, you should know this. Arzel ( talk) 13:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
KT66, Chris Fynn and I already agreed on the material for the article. For example Truthsayer62 keeps deleting a Thurman quote that KT66 added, not me. The three of us clearly already agreed on how the article should be. There is no excuse for Truthsayer62 deleting most of the academic material in the article. And the reason why I deleted Truthsayer62 comment from my own talk page, is that it was full of debunked Shugden propaganda, such as there being millions of Shugden followers, which is just a laughable claim. Heicth ( talk) 14:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I just noticed that an IP editor changed the word "sandalwood" in one Indian language to the word in another Indian language, in the article on Sandalwood. Is there any reason for that? Should the edit stand or be undone? CorinneSD ( talk) 15:39, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I noticed in the article on Burma that in the second paragraph in the section on "Etymology" there is a lot of pronunciation information for "Burma" and "Myanmar". For some reason, my computer does not show the Burmese script; instead, I see a series of boxes. But that's all right; I don't need that information, but I wonder whether all that pronunciation information belongs in "Etymology". Usually, that kind of information is right at the beginning of the article, and I see some pronunciation information there. What do you think? CorinneSD ( talk) 15:46, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive833#Large amount of properly sourced content is being continually deleted from Providence Religious Movement Article. ... Since you previously responded in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 141#Can a new religious group be a reliable source for its own trial?, I thought your consideration of the case would be of value. Sam Sailor Sing 11:42, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
You commented in a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard [41] on whether theses should be considered reliable. There is a question [42] on what the consensus was concerning the reliability of the specific thesis that originally prompted that discussion. Did you agree that that thesis should be considered reliable? Dezastru ( talk) 16:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller, I noticed that back in 2011 you marked Arab Spring article as 1RR bound in ARBPIA. Since then however all Syrian war related articles were put under a separate sanction system of WP:SCWGS per Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Syrian_civil_war_articles ( [43]) and ultimately community consensus from August 2013. Considering the overwhelming dominance of Syrian civil war topic in the Arab Spring and the fact that all of the disputed issues there were in fact in this way or another related to Syrian civil war, in my opinion it is a clear case where WP:SCWGS should apply. Since the ARBPIA and SCWGS sanctions are pretty much the same, we don't need both as well. Is it possible to exchange the tagging to SCWGS, or shall i request another clarification in this regard (application of SCWGS for the entire Arab Spring topic)? GreyShark ( dibra) 12:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
@ Greyshark09: Thanks, I've done that but why do we have 2 templates? I'm not clear exactly what "Pages may be tagged with {{Syrian Civil War sanctions}}, and {{Editnotice SCW 1RR}} may be used for articles, to indicate that they are under general sanctions" means. Tag pages with one and articles with another? Can you clarify the language here for me please? Dougweller ( talk) 14:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Constantly_stalked_and_harassed_by_a_user -- Lokalkosmopolit ( talk) 20:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_March_19#Semir_Osmanagi.C4.87, Sportfan5000 ( talk) 01:02, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
i actually am doing a school project and i am a girl not a guy, thank you.! and i will change everything back to how it was, i need the extra credit in my class because i am almost failing and my mom will kick my a** if i fail.! so i am doing this for a school project its just extra credit and not everyone had to do it and alot of people arnt. so if you would like to run your mouth i will run mine. i need this extra credit so i need a way to put "MR. FRIDAY" into the talk:Christopher Columbus artical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8113 ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
A comment was just added to the last section of the Talk page on George Raft, adding to a discussion that began in 2008 (in the section just above the last one). The last comment makes sense, but as an admin, would you like to weigh in on the best approach to this, and perhaps make the decisive edit? CorinneSD ( talk) 23:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Besides my request for help in disambiguating a link that I had added (see my Talk page) to Surat, would you mind taking a look at the last few edits to the article? I don't know about the last one or two, but the third from last, the one just after my edit, contains the following:
To me, this sounds like advertising. What do you think about this and the last two edits? CorinneSD ( talk) 23:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller. Thanks for providing some helpful advice to Heicth. Hopefully he heeds it. I did want to talk about another concern with that user though. I came across this discussion over on the 14th_Dalai_Lama talk page, and it struck me that ShenrabandNamdak's contribution seemed incredibly convenient for Heicth. Particularly given that ShenrabandNamdak is not a very active editor and has made six edits total. I am therefore wondering whether ShenrabandNamdak is a sock puppet of Heicth. As a more experienced editor than I, do you think I am right to be suspicious? And if so, how would you suggest I proceed? Cheers and thanks in advance for your help. Andrew ( talk) 00:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
While 3 users (kt66, Chris Fynn and myself) are patiently discussing, editing and agreeing on the article in a careful manner, user Truthsayer62 deleted pretty much all the academic material in the article! Heicth ( talk) 01:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
You said I was making false claims, but I pulled the information from a scholarly journal article. You cannot say that what I posted was not true. I was simply stating what the New Age Andean practitioners believed about Machu Picchu and its origins. You can read all about it in Michael Hill's article, "Myth, Globalization, and Mestizaje in New Age Andean Religion: The Intic Churincuna (Children of the Sun) of Urubamba, Peru." It was published by the The American Society for Ethnohistory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDoctorRobert ( talk • contribs) 15:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
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Would you mind reading the latest edit to Suriname? Is it appropriate for the article? I see at least two errors in it, a word misspelled and an incorrect capitalization. CorinneSD ( talk) 23:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I just noticed that an editor added the tag "Fact" (I guess meaning "Citation needed") to the article on Chocolate. I read the sentence where the tag was placed and then did a little searching on WP. I found some dates for the earliest consumption of cacao beans in the Americas in Cocoa beans#History. I am not sure whether another WP article can be used as a source, but perhaps the same source that is used in that "History" section could be used for the "Chocolate" article. CorinneSD ( talk) 01:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
I reverted your questioning of a source. Whatever his other wild opinions, this one looked OK when I did a quick check. It's from 1983 and up to you to check first, before questioning. Doesn't your reason look a bit like POV? I don't want to embarrass you! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 12:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dougweller,
Yes, I had put a lot of effort into my first article--- Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Cycladic architecture---which you have deleted. It was a work in progress and I had not yet added the verifiable information. The Wiki instruction said SUBMIT FOR REVIEW WHEN YOU ARE READY (are something similar). It was not yet ready for review! This is very disappointing. Your early review of my page suggests contributors cannot trust the Wiki instructions. Is this correct? Iantomferry ( talk) 17:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Doubweller, I have read through the 'purpose' of Wikipedia:Deletion review. I am not sure I need to request a review, particularly as everthing appears so complicated. Can I simply re-commence the article, while observing the 'violation of copyright' Wiki requirements, which I now understand, even for pages being created? I would prefer not to be 'blocked' from contributing to Wikipedia in the future. I have found it to be a source of very valuable and detailed information. Please advise. Iantomferry ( talk) 19:37, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
I did not realise I was being offensive or vandalising anything on the Freshman guitar page. I apologise and promise that it will not happen again. I am about to respond to teh NeilN talk concerning Creation. I noticed you commented on it. I get the impression you believe in evolution and you think it has all your answers. I am 14, and I encourage you to think again, as we should all be searching for truth (as I am - at the moment Creation seems to provide a huge amount more answers than Evolution). Sorry as I went off topic in this message - it seemed instinctive. Sorry again for that edit on the guitar page. CollettDavid ( talk) 21:47, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, many thanks. Iantomferry ( talk) 00:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm afraid this edit looks like a knee-jerk reaction. In fact, the article uses "BC" multiple times, and the edit you reverted was making things consistent. As it turns out, there had been a discussion on the era used at Talk:David#BC/E. For what it's worth, I always check the article and/or the article history before reverting these sorts of edits. St Anselm ( talk) 12:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I said it was a duplicated paragraph and removed it in the accurate edit summary. Why do you think I should need to further explain why I removed it? Run to the hills, cos the end of the world is soon! ( talk) 20:32, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller, Thanks for the lead on sources. I will check them out. My research in he NSW State Library in Sydney turned up little on the topic, though I found a limited academic piece online. I am happy to use 'The architecture of the Cycladic Isdands' as a title. Though I did came across several existing Wiki articles with a non existent link to 'Cycladic Architecture' which in some cases was incorrectly spelt 'Cycladitic Architecture'. regards Iantomferry ( talk) 22:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Every single article that I've read here, they included 'BCE'. That is why I thought that it should be BCE, but I know now. D4iNa4 ( talk) 10:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Remove protection from article Azerbaijani people. I will not wage war. Only edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Az-507 ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
dear doughwell! i have seen that you left a message on my talk page about the ashfaz , and u nominated it for deletion. you may delete this but i have heard about ashfaz therefore i have written article on. You could delete if you feel its not benefitful . — Preceding unsigned comment added by UsmanPathanKhan ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm crossing my fingers hoping I didn't cause you serious annoyance, and apologize once again. I honestly wasn't attacking you personally and I chose my word quite poorly. Two kinds of pork ( talk) 03:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Can you please perform a WP:REVDEL on [46]? I made an edit while logged out by accident and I would like my IP address to remain private. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 09:53, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Since user:Pan Brerus refuses to answer why he has changed a referenced sentence to reflect
his own opinion into the
Italian Wars article, could you protect this article?
Also, what is your opinion on the usage of primary sources? Pan Brerus added
Francesco Guicciardini and Alessandro Benedetti, a physician from Verona, as sources to the
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At the end of the section Tokamak#Toroidal_design, we find the sentence, "In the ITER tokamak, it is expected that the occurrence of a limited number of major disruptions will definitively damage the chamber with no possibility to restore the device." (Emphasis added.) Three references are given. However, these are rather long and technical sources. How do we request that the specific page be given that explicitly states the conclusion? (It could easily be someone's POV slant, and then covered up by technical sources with conclusions that may be subject to interpretations, or may have a caveat.) Titus III ( talk) 03:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Titus III Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup/Verifiability and sources is where you need to look. {{request quotation}} or {{{{page needed}}}} That paragraph was the editor's only edit anywhere. [47] Dougweller ( talk) 14:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
As I said, Lazarus says that Hamilton is a pseudonym for Wallace Ward's son, and the USPTO says that the trademark "Mark Hamilton" is owned by Wallace H. Ward, so that's what we have about that.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 17:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Can you spare a couple of minutes between all that scoffing of cakes? Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin was created due to a POV title move some time ago. The article got moved back to Goud Saraswat Brahmin but the talk page remained where it had been redirected. I think Talk:Goud Saraswat Brahmin needs to be deleted and Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin put in its place. Ideally, Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin would then be deleted without a redirect, since it is a poorly-constructed POV title. - Sitush ( talk) 05:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Can you spare a couple of minutes between all that scoffing of cakes? Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin was created due to a POV title move some time ago. The article got moved back to Goud Saraswat Brahmin but the talk page remained where it had been redirected. I think Talk:Goud Saraswat Brahmin needs to be deleted and Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin put in its place. Ideally, Talk:Gaud or Gawd Saraswat Brahmin would then be deleted without a redirect, since it is a poorly-constructed POV title. - Sitush ( talk) 05:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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