The Rendille are related to Somalis. See this study: http://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/11443 The Rendille speak a Somaloid language, while the Gabra, Sakuye and Gareeh have abandoned their original “Somaloid” language for Borana [104, 105]. There is also an overlap of clan names, rituals and beliefs among these historically “Somaloid” populations and a third set of populations speaking various Somali dialects[104, 105]. The putative center of origin of the eastern Cushitic speakers (including the eastern highland Cushitic speakers that are mostly found in Ethiopia) is in southern Ethiopia [106]. Also, see their haplogroup frequencies.. They are similar to Somalis, mainly E1b1b and T1(K2). Wadaad ( talk) 20:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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talk) 23:56, 28 March 2014 (UTC) In this book it states that "Mogadishu was reorganized to house more than 50,000 newly arrived Italians" but than goes on to say that "Mogadishu had a population of about 30,000 Somalis and 20,000 Italians". I am not exactly sure which number is right. As of now, I believe that 50,000 Italians did arrive to Mogadishu, but only 20,000 stayed and the 30,000 went to other cites. Why do these number very so much? There's a lot of info on the Italians in Eritrea and constancy in the numbers of how many that lived there. But for Somalia, there prescence was documrented just no constancy in how many were there. There are also 4,000 Italian immigrants according to Ethnologue currently living in Somalia, [1] but just before that it states that "all of the people from India and Italy have left". Also, do you know where I can view this book (Tripodi, Paolo, "The Colonial Legacy in Somalia")? AcidSnow ( talk) 19:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
"just referred to ...", yes I believe we have already established that. I have provided you with other links that dont suggest it is an exclusive term. There's even "misioni" in Somali which exclusively refers to these types of people, though I dont remember were I found it. "the bill Mussolini passed....", so why can't it be included in the article? As for your page 323 in the link you gave me, it is all about Bantus. For the footnote, please see bellow:
I dont see any mention of a system. AcidSnow ( talk) 17:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
As for the Dervish Army, I have no Idea what happened to my link. I found it using my phone (forr some reason I am able to view more pages then one can using a computer), but when I linked it to my computer I became unable to view it. Here's a link for 15,000 in 1902 (page: 113) and 20,000 in 1903 (page: 127). As for the twin cities, my bad once again. AcidSnow ( talk) 17:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Should there be a page about the Somali Resistance Movement or should all of this be included in the Somaliland Campaign? The page mostly discuses things that involved Britain and not Italy. AcidSnow ( talk) 21:24, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. "Mongobay" is a personal website, not a reliable source. Both Somalis and Italians were also allowed to establish parties under the British military administration. The largest such party was obviously the SYL, not the HDM. The election database also doesn't claim that the HDM was the largest [9]; so insinuating that it was is undue and misleading. Regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 14:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. The RfC finally expired, and an administrator erroneously closed it in favor of the page move when there was clearly no consensus for it (five votes for the proposal vs. five votes against it). Despite this, one of the accounts that supported the move has attempted to edit the list and here as well in that direction. I've left a detailed explanation of the situation here. Your input there would be appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow, I saw your remark "wtf, most of these are not cities" on the revision history page of that article. I agree! Many are villages or not even populated places at all. I started a cleanup, maybe you could help. In fact, a large number of Somalia geography stubs contain serious errors and should be revised. I try to do so from time to time, but it's an uphill battle. Cheers, Loranchet ( talk) 20:03, 5 May 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. I would fix the map, but I unfortunately don't at the moment have the right graphics software. The "Berbers" therein are the non-Semitic speaking Afro-Asiatic groups inhabiting Northeast Africa. Some were thus also found in Egypt/Sudan i.e. the Beja. At any rate, File:Somalia map states regions districts.png also needs fixing after the recent military offensives. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, kenya wasn't called kenya in the 15th c. but the article mentions events there at this time. So why remove the history prior to the 15th c? There is obviously a lot of effort going into this whitewashing of Kenyan history. Sad but inevitable that Wikipedia is used in this way. 86.168.238.55 ( talk) 20:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rktect and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rktect/Archive. Dougweller ( talk) 10:08, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Why is Somali classified on Wikipedia as part of the Macro-Somali languages? Only one source that is listed says it is will other more will know sources put it in another branch from Rendille, Aweer, and Baiso. So why is it listed as that on the classification section. But the dialects of Somali go: Cushitic-> East-> Somali-> Dialect. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AcidSnow ( talk • contribs) 04:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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Do you understand what these charts are saying? I tried to interpret it one my own but I was unable to do to the many charts shown. Is in one chart it states that the Amhara, Tigray, and even the Oromo have far more Semitic admixture then the Somalis and that Somalis also have more Nilo admixture then the rest? In another it zstates that somalis still have more Nilo admixture despite living farther away from them then the rest. Then there's one I see as more realistic with all ethnic groups having closely the same amount of admixture; though it still has outrages amounts of Nilo in all groups. Also why does it have Ethiopian Somalis as a diffrent group and what on earth is Ethiopic?!?! AcidSnow ( talk) 18:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
What is your take on the Rer Bare people? Do you think they are Bantu? I have never heard of such a thing until today. AcidSnow ( talk) 06:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
There is no edit war! I waited for anyone to show opposition, no one did! It's a fact that the Canaanites themselves aren't a distinct group, it's like saying Germanic peoples are a distinct group or that Slavic peoples are a distinct group, WRONG! They're a larger group made up of smaller groups who share a common ancestry. What do you mean wait for consensus? No one is showing opposition. I'll wait for 24 hours for anyone to show opposition, if no one will, will that count as a consensus? Guy355 ( talk) 07:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. As one of the main contributors to WikiProject Somalia, would you mind giving your input here on that project page? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC) But what do you think if the Somali Sign Language? I am quiet shocked to belive that's its Kenyan. If anything I would have assumed it would have been independent, decedent from Italian (like all other African countries that have been colonized), or at least Arabic but Kenyan now that's shocking! AcidSnow ( talk) 04:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
These classifications are getting more outrageous every time I see them. Why on earth would someone classify Aweer as Somali if their using old source that have been disputed by current ones? There are many sources that state that it's far closer to Rendille then to Somali. These are also classified in a different sub group as well. Do you actually believe in this? AcidSnow ( talk) 18:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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Why did you get rid of the LGBT rights in Somaliland page? Somaliland is a whole different country, according to them and to one or two other countries that recognize it. Beside, they have a whole different set of rules. Somalia gives up to three years in prison, Somaliland they will KILL people who are gay. Please reopen that page so I can add that info. Thanks.
Hi AcidSnow. Per the recommendation at DR, I have opened a new discussion here on the Hargeisa plane monument. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 13:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Should this be redirect, Tourism in Somaliland? It's pretty much all already explained on Tourism in Somalia. In fact, all the sources used here are blogs except for two of them. AcidSnow ( talk) 21:40, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Why is it often reported that Mogadishu was founded in 900? That makes very little sense especially since some also say it was founded by Arabs. The city is much older than that. During the the Abbasid Capalhite, they did have nominal control such as tax/zakat, but in the years 804-805 Mogadishu and other cites stoped and revolted. So how could this city have been founded after 900 let alone by Arabs? Even Arab sources say that in 685 that an army was sent to Mogadishu. As we can see the city is much older than that. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
What exactly is this central region? Are they combing the Galmudug region and the Himan and Heeb region to form one state? Could you also please explain Puntlands reason to oppose this? I have not looked up any news regarding Somalia these past few weeks do the increasing crisis. I just did and sadly they have reported that another lawmaker was killed. AcidSnow ( talk) 18:18, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! If you need anything just message me! AcidSnow ( talk) 05:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Talk:Germans - although I think the problem there is just one editor who probably doesn't belong here. Dougweller ( talk) 14:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello Middayexpress. Since your most likely going to move this discussion to my talk page I have decided to beat you to it by starting it here instead. Anyways, I would like to disscuse Maay and it's relationship with Standard Somali and Benadir. I know several individuals that can understand Maay very well. In fact, when I ask to rate their understanding it's usually ranges from 60~80% understanding. They state that they have difficultly with their pronunciation of words and sentence structure. As of now I would I consider it to be a dialect of Somali rather than a completely diffrent language. Several linguistics also agree with this and individuals as well. For example, this individual list Maay as a dialect of Somali but also as "Partially unintelligible" with Somali. At first it would make sense classifying it as such he gives Uzbek and Turkish as his examples when they full under two different branch of the Turkic language. What do you think he meant? Do you consider Maay a dialect? AcidSnow ( talk) 22:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
since 99% of all tourists go to western parts of somaliland. somalia and somaliland tourism pages should not be mixed. somalia has no tourists to talk about. our somaliland government do not even allow tourists to go beyond berbera unless they hire SPU (special protection unit) soldier. Theyuusuf143 ( talk) 13:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC) ヰキプロジェクト琉球はいさい, AcidSnow! I've noticed that you've contributed to the subject of Ryukyu. I invite you to join WikiProject Ryūkyū, AKA the Ryukyu task force, a collaborative effort to expand and deepen coverage of subjects pertaining to Ryukyuan geography, history, and culture. Here are a few links to pages to start you off:
I hope you'll take interest and decide to be a part of this project. めんそーれ! ミーラー強斗武 ( StG88ぬ会話) 17:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC) [16] Might want to reread that. -- NeilN talk to me 15:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Could you please have a look at the Rastafarianism issue here? There also appears to be some anonymous ip misuse. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 23:07, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Based on your apparent, and extreme, bias against religious dissenters in Africa and elsewhere, I suggest you avoid deleting informational sources to create biased edits. It is indisputably established that the execution of religious dissenters is an integral component of the definition of sharia law in many places that apply it and use the term as a euphemism in Africa, and any mention of sharia law in the context of a political government, therefore suggests a high probability of execution of apostates and religious dissenters. To exclude this from the article would be equivalent to excluding WWII from the articles concerning the Hiroshima bombings. This is not original research, but merely the establishment of expository facts. Restore my sources. Astrohoundy ( talk) 18:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Stop manipulating information fool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahabdi ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 16 August 2014 (UTC) He did this to me too. He's being unreasonable. I haven't been socking, you just have something out against me trying to bully me. That's why you reported me for making you feel like you "lost" which is your insecurity not mine. I'm doing nothing wrong, leave me alone. 64.121.83.151 ( talk) 15:35, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Come on, what was the point of mentioning his clan. It really serves no propose to him. He is even tying to distance himself from clanism. Your working against him at this point. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
You warned editors on the ISIS Talk page that Krish8 was a sock puppet and thank you for that. I see today most of those articles he listed in "#Change of sentence" have been included in a new entry in the ISIS article by a "Krishna39", who apparently joined Wikipedia earlier this month (see his Talk page) and this is his first contribution to any Wikipedia article. Do you think this is just an innocent coincidence? I ask since you seem to know something about Krish8's past activities! -- P123ct1 ( talk) 16:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. As one of the main WikiProject Africa contributors, your input here would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
You asked me to keep an eye on possible new socks for Krish8. StanTheMan87 is a new name that has been appearing recently on the ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi pages, and although his account only started on 6 August this year, I see from his user contributions that he has been extremely active in both areas you mentioned, terrorism in the Middle East and India/Pakistan. I am sure I remember seeing StanTheMan being raised somewhere as a sock of an account-holder whose name I cannot now remember but it began with "P". All this only struck me now as I had to leave him a note on his TP about an edit he had made. Is this innocent? -- P123ct1 ( talk) 08:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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Could please contact me via this email: Awaleking@gmail.com I've noticed that you know a good deal about the Horn's history and I'm starting to look into it all now and well... It would be nice to correspond with you and ask you for your sources and so on so I can learn more myself, I've learned a good deal already but I'd like to learn anything that you may know that I don't. Please do consider corresponding with me and just send me a simple email saying "Hi" or whatever. Thank you... Awale-Abdi ( talk) 16:43, 28 August 2014 (UTC) Alright... What do you know about the ancient structures in Somalia? The ruins of the old cities. I've seen images of some pre-Islamic sites and I've done some reading on them but I remember seeing on wiki here that they used "dry stone" for their building materials and that the middle ages saw a change in that Somalis began using other building materials. Is this true? And aren't structures like Mohammed Abdullah Hassan's forts dry stone in nature? Also if the did use dry stone and if there was such a change could please share some sources with me. I'm not at all doubting what I read on here, I'm just sort of compiling a bit of the region's history and need some sources otherwise my work will not be credible. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 22:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
AcidSnow Middayexpress What Goes Around comes Around ... Lets Work Together to Build a Nation and not a Basin of Corrupted History. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoontro ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC) Hi. I noticed that I and you are mentioned as being socks at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dalai lama ding dong. You may want to defend yourself there. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 22:40, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! AcidSnow ( talk) 01:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot ( talk) 01:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Khabboos is opened again. Bladesmulti ( talk) 16:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Regarding this, you need to provide actual evidence such as difs. Also, it may actually be Theyuusuf143. You dealt with the accounts on the tourism page, so you're in a better position to determine if this is indeed the situation. Regards Middayexpress ( talk) 19:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC) Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Operation Gothic Serpent, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Rebel. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 09:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC) I don't really see how heiring a Turkish group would help Somalis. Maybe they should make it so that 80% of the workers are Somalis? There should also be roles as to how long a Forgien worker can stay in Somalia. I don't think it's right for Kenyans to flood the capital and take away jobs from the Somalis. AcidSnow ( talk) 16:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
One of the editors made up this fake article about Bisexuality in the Middle East with no sources and without a neutral point of view. They have refused to add sources and will not delete it. In the first moderation of the conflict a bunch of others voted to keep it, despite that it's based on the one guy's opinion and that the ideas are overgeneralized. I put in a request to review it for deletion re-consideration. Please give assistance at [1] and [2]. Thanks. 64.121.83.151 ( talk) 07:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC) Reverted your edit on Persecution of traditional African religion, see [18] - Second paragraph confirms everything to be 100% correct. Bladesmulti ( talk) 07:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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"establishment of federal regional states in Somalia was a wrong decision that will create violence between the different clans, he added that federalism is meant for people with different races, ideologies and different interests"..... The Somalis, however, "“ Somalis people share religion, language and have one interest” [19]. Is it possible for it to be removed and returned to the pervious 18. Even better, why not he orginal 8 regions (few regions are domanited by one clan). Could this change if Abdikasim is reelected? AcidSnow ( talk) 13:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
"Somali federalism process should not mirror tribalism", stated President Hassan. This sadly does not seem to be the case. My reaction to hearing about the division of the Mudug region of Somalia. Bring Puntland back into the picture is a step in the right direction though. What do you think? Should I message you on my talk page instead of here from now on? You seem to like to move this stuf to my page which I don't mind. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot ( talk) 12:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC) The Somali languages needs a clean up as it holds a " Macro-Somali veiw". It does not even mention how that's not the case. The Herbert Lewis/E.R. Turton "Omo-Tana" hypothesis is actually pretty dubious; it's contradicted by archaeology, genetics and historical tradition alike [21]. Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi discusses this in his work [22]. Though I don't agree with parts of his work, for example when it regards the diffrence bettween a language" and a "dialect". He oddly also considers Brawa, Merca, and even Mogadishu to be former "Swahili cities". He even believes that Mogadishu was a "tributary" of the Zanzibaris despite it never being so and under Geledi control. He also leaves out of they had to ask the Geledi when they wanted to visit the city. The most shocking is how he considers the Rahanweyn not to be Somali. [23] This is the first time I have ever heard of such a thing. AcidSnow ( talk) 13:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Would you mind sharing your insight here on the Queen of Sheba? Could you also confirm there whether or not this link appears as malware on your computer? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 16:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
The book, Invention of Somalia, which is used on Dada Masiti has numerous problems. Its not surprising that it indicates something different from the Oxfortd book. I have taken the time to remove it and have replaced it with a much better source. AcidSnow ( talk) 01:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Do you mind taking a look at this? It would be very helpful since I have never been here before. I am quite busy; which can be seen in my get few edits these past days, but I will try to be on tomorrow. Thanks. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Do you know what the Sultanate of Mogadishu's rulership succession was? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:08, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited History of Somalia (1991–2006), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Rebel. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 08:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC) Well seeing how you moved my latest question here I have gone a asked my question here instead lol. Anyways, I thought Matt Bryden was removed as member of UN’s Somalia Eritrea Monitoring Group (SEMG) but he leaked some documents in July of 2014. Could you explain this to me Midday? AcidSnow ( talk) 02:23, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Could you explain please how the Kharijites are related to the Sultanate's Fakr ad-Din dynasty? The latter ruling house was established in the 1200s, while the Kharijite date is ca. the late 600s. Regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you commented on the talk page here, the article has since been nominated for deletion so you may be interested in commenting here also, take care. Tanbircdq ( talk) 20:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Hello, Can I know, how programme do you use to create vector graphics? For example - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Somalia_map_states_regions_districts.png. Best regards, Omega933 ( talk) 20:38, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, I need any program, which I can draw detailed maps about ongoing conflict. Except paint :) Omega933 ( talk) 14:32, 23 October 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. The government just published a new control map; it's dated October 14. The militants only control eight major towns now (two other minor ones have since been liberated), and the remaining areas are about to fall [29]. Could you please adjust our political wikimap accordingly? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't have a horse in the race, but I also don't care much for being called a sock, especially when my only involvement in the issue was to revert and block two actual sockpuppets. Please do be more careful about how you level accusations. Parsecboy ( talk) 12:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Sounds interesting. I thought you had graphics software, though? If so, try the tracing feature on it. By the way, I think you may be right about the Sultanate of Mogadishu being perhaps older than we realize. There are apparently old Himyarite inscriptions in Xamar; the toponym may actually derive from that [33]. The Periplus also notes a loose suzerainty there under the Himyarite and Sabaean King Charibael. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Why is Somalia in a development group (the IGAD) with Kenya, Uganda, and South Sudan? Many of these types of international organizations are usually with countries that are culturally, ethnic, linguistic, or geographic related. However, Somalia posses none of those with Kenya, Uganda, and South Sudan? Due to this group there has been a massive error for the definition of the "Horn of Africa"; which even the African Union has made by including those random countries in it. If there's going to a change, then I would propose a much more political and economic group like an "Horn of Africa Union" or something similar. Sudan May join if it desires to due to its relations with the Horn of Africa. AcidSnow ( talk) 14:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Has the Italian language lost it's use in Somalia? Many Somali leaders have historically spoke Italian as one of their languages, such as the majority of Somali President, Prime Ministers, and Parliment Members. However, seeing how Hassan Sheikh Mohamud does speak Italian, let alone Arabic, it seems that English has become the preferred 3rd language amongst Somalis. There does not even seem to be Italian-based schools in major cities such as Bosaso, only "English, Arabic, and the Somali local language". There does seem to be, however, an attempt to revive the language in Somalia, such as the reoping of Italian only schools and most notably, the reintroduceing it in the Somali National University (though, it quite shocking how the school does not even have any of its course in Somali but only English). It is also used by the Somalis training in Italy as well. It also seems that the United Nations would prefer to hire someone that spoke Italian rather than English. What do you think of the role the Italian language plays in Somalia? Personally I think it should be required with Arabic in a fashion like this, Arabic: Elementary -> Middle Schhol and Italian: Highschool -> University. But the Somali language is used throught the education system. English can be asked later on if someone desires it. That being said, is school compulsory in Somalia? If not, a law should be approved asap regarding this! AcidSnow ( talk) 03:48, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. A user tried to add the Faytinga file, although I explained to him that as a Nilotic Kunama individual, she is not representative of Eritrea's Afro-Asiatic majority. I also linked him to where this was explained to Vetrisimino0 [37]. I also suggested the Tigrinya singer Helen Meles as a more appropriate alternative. Can you please keep an eye on this? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much ...i really appreciate it Saadkhan12345 ( talk) 11:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC) Hi, on this article Arab slave trade I am having a problem with an ip editor. It is small but you know how these things go, when someone starts calling you names you bunker down and start shelling. The issue is Arab, or Muslim conquest, which is better. Your feedback would be appreciated. both positions can be argued for an the term is used interchangeable. I do however feed the ip is not actually worried about that and is inserting Islam for Islamophobic reasons not scholarship reasons. -- Inayity ( talk) 08:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
You have edited a line which stated East Africa, and changed it to Horn of Africa. You failed to provide a reason, and the edit you made is also wrong. Please explain yourself. You have edited a line that originally referred to Majerteen inhabitants. This was edited, without proper reason, to the term Bedouin. You have reverted it, twice, to Bedouin, even when told by the original poster that the term Bedouin is misinformative. Rather, the correct term is nomad, and even more so, pastoralist. The town in question was never a nomadic stronghold in any case, being inhabited by part-time pastoralists, part-time fishermen/coastal dwellers. The term Bedouin is used perhaps once in the original work from 1872. That does not mean it is correct, or should be automatically included. Moreover, it was never included in the original post, for reasons explained. Bedouins are Arab nomads. If you are still confused, see the Bedouin article on Wiki.
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What do you think of Zanzibars claim to Somalia? I have found some new info on their claim that I think you would be interested in hearing. But I will show you after so I don't confuse you. If not, then showing you now is fine. AcidSnow ( talk) 20:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Could you please enumerate the Sultans of the Sultanate of Mogadishu that you know of? The first dynasty was that of Fakr ad-Din, but it gets muddled in later reigns. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 20:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Do you mind doing a clean up in the Hamitic page? AcidSnow ( talk) 21:08, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I have requested a mediator to resolve our disagreement on "SSC Clans". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.99.102.81 ( talk) 14:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC) Should there be a template for Somali clans? The current templete lists them as ethnicities and that they are ethnically different from one another. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I have found some maps on Wikipedia that state that Somaliland is oddly not part of Somalia. I have made attempts to fix them but I am unable to do so due to .SVG type of the images or something like that. AcidSnow ( talk) 20:14, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is " Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:Khatumo State#SSC_clans". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! --DRN volunteer Bejnar ( talk) 20:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC) Why on earth do people foolishly claim that Mogadishu, Hamar, and Shingani are Swahili or Bantu words? Even the Cambridge believes this, see here. That makes zero sense when the Bantu never lived in the Horn of Africa until the 1800's! Mogadishu, Brava, Kismayo and the rest have always been Somali and never in the hands of the Bantu or Swahili. More importantly, Hamar, from what remember is the Somali word for some plant that with the letter "T". I will inform you when I find the book or another one again. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Would you weighing in here? You're familiar with the matter, so your insight would be appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 22:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I recommend the following text based on the Lambeth Research and Statistics Unit's official explanation: "According to the Lambeth Research and Statistics Unit, no reliable nationwide statistics are available on the size and educational attainment of Somali pupils in the United Kingdom. Data on the students has often been aggregated under a broad continental 'African' variable, which obscures the students' unique charateristics and requirements. This in turn inhibits targeted policy making and practice developments at the national and local level. To redress this, various London Local Authorities, where most Somali pupils matriculate, have started gathering and monitoring data on the Somali student community" [69]. Middayexpress ( talk) 23:44, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi, AcidSnow. You posted a link to the article talk page, but it doesn't seem to be working. Could there be a typo in the address? Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Someone is removing sourced content on Anti-balaka. Is there anything you can do to stop this? AcidSnow ( talk) 21:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello! I have been trying to figure out how many Bantus that live in Dadaab and other refuge camps in the Somali region of Kenya. For starters, it seems like that they took 10,000s or Bantus yo Kakuma in northwest Kenya. This seems to have been to protect them from discrimination as we as violence in Dabaab. However, according to one UNHRC article Dadaab is 6% Bantu? [70] In fact, it also stated that Kakuma is not only 20% Bantu but is also has 20% of its population also coming from the Hawiye clan and less than a quater Darood? [71] How is this going to protect them? It seems highly counterproductive. Or do they want the Bantus and Nilotic to have greater numbers for a changes? They have also foolishly sent the Benadiri, Bajuni, Barawanis, and Ashraaf clans there as well. [72] Though some groups like the Bajuni have returned to Kismayo and other areas. Do you know if the Bantus plan to ever return to Somalia? AcidSnow ( talk) 04:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. There was apparently a sultanate in Bari around the time that the Warsangali Sultanate was established. Would you happen to know the names of its various Sultans? Also, what were their aristocratic and court titles? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:57, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
You wrote: "This has already been explained" Where was that explained? On the article talk page it has only "discussion" with people with the idea to make all Christians in the region only Assyrians (or at least to make Assyrian a pan-ethnicity) and people who see no problem to have that specific article Arameans in Israel. (I and most of the Maronites that I know accept the reality that we Maronites have primarily Phoenician descent mixed with Aramean and Ghassanid Arab blood lineage.) Thanks in advance. MaronitePride ( talk) 04:24, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
MaronitePride, I don't understand why you and GreyShark09 keep reverting without discussion. I still can't see why the article should be on English Wikipedia. And i did not understand your edit comment "Let's keep Arameans in Israel here. Only for now is disambig. soon will be return to normal article.". AcidSnow, can this be brought up on ANI? Shmayo ( talk) 07:18, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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A girl of that age (prepubescent) wearing hijab is not normal nor representative of Somali girls of that age nor of Muslim girls of that age in general.A girl of that age (prepubescent) wearing hijab is not normal nor representative of Somali girls of that age nor of Muslim girls of that age in general. A pubescent Somali girl or woman wearing a hijab is representative of Somali females in general, and that is why must be put instead. The Holy Quran requires that only girls who reach puberty wear the hijab. The prophet Muhammad PBUH said "After a young woman reaches the age of puberty, nothing should be seen of her except her face and hands". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.200.10.224 ( talk) 22:03, 8 February 2015 (UTC) I hope you don't mind, but I did a little archiving on that talk page. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 20:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC) Why did you deleted my contributions to Erigavo talk page. Hold your horses next time. 92.96.176.42 ( talk) 09:03, 12 February 2015 (UTC) Again user AcidSnow, please refer from the continues vandalism on the contributions coming from my side and come to the talk page. 92.96.176.42 ( talk) 12:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC) It seems that the Kaddre Script was the most accurate script for the Somali language. It also am seems that the the Latin script was being developed in the 1890's by the Italians but they opted to use Latin pronunciation for some reason o.0? Source [79]. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I am currently on the German Wikikpefia and they are saying some messed up things about the Rahanweyn clan. Such as calling them "fake Somalis". I have changed the text and stated that's far from reality as they are just ethnic Somalis like the other clans. However, I was reverted. I plan now to clearly explain how that completely wrong. But first, what exactly does "Sab" mean? Isn't that the "father" of the Rahanweyne clan? They list it as "outcast" on the German page. Please help me as this highly insulting to all Somalis! AcidSnow ( talk) 17:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Do they plan to go back to this or has that ship sailed? AcidSnow ( talk) 01:31, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Do you know what was the state flag of the Geledi Sultanate? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 02:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
AcidSnow Middayexpress Same Thing here . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoontro ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC) AcidSnow As per Wiki History Log alot of Somalia history is or has being Omitted, Vandalized or used for personal instead of Real facts of history ? are you following ! Whats wrong with real truth History with Source abundant like Water ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoontro ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Please have a look here. An apparent sock has attempted to readd the disputed material; note the convenient timing [86] (also [87]). Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 18:47, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Article claims that Ethiopids are "Negriod" mix. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey AcidSnow. Do you have any idea what this was all about? The vandalism seemed to target editors with an interest in Somalis and Somalia, including the two of us. It was a new account so I wonder if some sockpuppetry was going on? They've been blocked now anyway, but I was just curious if you knew anything about where it all stemmed from. Cordless Larry ( talk) 12:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Do the Isaaq really think they can just force the Darood and Dir clans to join them? What exactly is "Somaliland" anyways? It quite clear that none of the Dir and Darod clans want to joint them. So when the nothern regions are "captured", give up separatism, or whatever happens, will the regions still stay as "Somaliland" or will they return to pre 1991? AcidSnow ( talk) 18:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Military history of Somalia, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Tale. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 08:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC) To AcidSnow: Do you know why Somalia is messed up? Its because of people like you. You have a very sharp tongue I advise you to watch what you say on here. You may have grown up in a very harsh environment but it shouldn't be an excuse for you to act the way you do. Dont be reckless! Respect others regardless of their clan ethnicity or race. KaiseDis ( talk) 23:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC) Hello! How are you? Anyways, I would like to know why you keep editing maps with edit summaries such as "added South Sudan" but also slip in "Somaliland"? The former is a nation while the other is an autonomous region of Somalia. I tried to correct this but Wikipedia won't let me upload .SVG files. Do you mind fixing this? AcidSnow ( talk) 01:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
How is the Tree planting doing in Somalia? Did they reach 25,000 yet? It seems that simply planting tress helps make it rain more. [93] "in areas in Europe where there have previously been no trees can reduce the effect of climate change by cooling temperate regions", forget about 25,000 they need to plant a couple million trees in Mogadishu asap 0_0. AcidSnow ( talk) 20:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Do you perhaps know which currency the various medieval Beja sultanates used? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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In appreciation of you maintaining a sense of humour. Cordless Larry ( talk) 22:13, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello AcidSnow, I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Big Smoke Burger for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia. If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Walkabout14 ( talk) 21:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Deletion discussion about Big Smoke BurgerHello, AcidSnow, I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Big Smoke Burger should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Smoke Burger . If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top. Thanks, Walkabout14 ( talk) 04:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Big Smoke Burger, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Lamb. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 09:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC) Go ahead with the ban proposal... If he's really trying to claim they're Argobba (not one text on this, that I have ever seen. Nor any evidence) and act like the very clearly known fact that the Adal and Ifat's soldiers were largely Somali (acting like the Futuh is nothing...) and then uses imbeciles like Braukamper to make his points while ignoring the clear evidence in those genealogies-> then yeah, he should be banned. He's just here to spread an agenda and war it out. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 10:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
It would superficially appear that you support your own ban? WP:ANI#Ban proposal Shouldn't you start a new section w/diffs? Cheers Jim1138 ( talk) 16:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Could you please enumerate the Sultans of the Ajuran Sultanate that you know of? Several of the rulers' names are engraved on the Ajuran currency. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 18:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
My book-rental has expired so I cannot find the page number now, so I cited a different source for the same material concerning trial testimony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrohoundy ( talk • contribs) 16:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC) Please explain your edits on Islam and antisemitism on the talk page. Thank you. RebSmith ( talk) 20:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Also, please refrain from making false statements in the edit summary to disguise disruptive editing. What you removed was properly sourced, not OR. Bkalafut ( talk) 20:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. The user whose content you appear to have taken issue with remedied the deficiency mentioned in the talk page. Please read the talk page and contribute constructively. You are blanking 17 kilobytes of content, most of which is appropriately sourced, NPOV, non-original-research. Bkalafut ( talk) 21:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC) stop what you are doing there two diffrent sourecs on the supject of the independance of Somaliland thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadraa ( talk • contribs) 02:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC) NO to all aspects of this supposed new capital for Somalia. Mogadishu most remain the capital as it has allways been. AcidSnow ( talk) 17:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey AcidSnow. I just noticed you actually violated WP:3RR yourself. This normally results in a block by default. Given your extensive attempts to discuss the issue, request administrator intervention, and the fact that you're an established editor in good standing with a clean block log and no apparent overarching behavioral issues with edit warring, I'll give you a break this time, but I'm obliged to remind you to keep an eye out for this in the future. Doesn't even matter if you're "in the right", you cannot breach 3RR. Please be more mindful of this, we don't normally let people off with a warning. Swarm... —X— 04:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Instead of giving it to forgein in waters, why don't they just nationalize it? They can get assistance from countries that already have theirs nationalized like Saudi Arabia. AcidSnow ( talk) 01:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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The book is a wikipedia mirror its not reliable. Zekenyan ( talk) 03:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC) An individual had made many peculator edits to the Macrobians article. He has directly attributed them as a "legendary tribe of Aethiopia" and that they were possibly situated "deep south of the Atlas mountains in the area of modern day Senegal". AcidSnow ( talk) 02:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
^ Please go to that admin's talk page and add whatever grievances you may have with Zekenyan (at the bottom) and explain how he's been hounding you and warring on the Walashma page, you're honestly more familiar with him. Take care, Awale-Abdi ( talk) 21:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC) if you truly believe my sources are fringe, why dont you take it to the fringe board or should I? [101] Zekenyan ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:58, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The Silk Road article is missing a lot on Somalia. Do you mind assisting me in improving it? AcidSnow ( talk) 01:27, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Have you seen this guy before? Oddly enough he reads off Wikipedia lol. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
So I found this World Statesmen.org article on "Somali Traditional States" which provides names and sometimes dates for various early modern and colonial sultanates. I noticed that it got a few dates wrong for Sultans that I am aware of, eg. it states that the Geledi Sultan Osman Ahmed abdicated in 3 Sep 1908. Although he didn't I nonetheless took the time to cross referencing the names and dates. I can say as of now that the names may be real but I can't say the same about the dates. This book seems to confirm two Sultans of the Majeerteen named "Othman" (probably a different spelling of Osman) and "Yusuf" both which indirectly preceded Osman Mahamud. This World Statesmen.org article states that "Othman II" ruled from 1815-1842 and that "Yusuf IV" briefly ruled from 1842-1844. Are you wondering why Yusuf ruled for so shortly? Are you Midday? As I stated earlier this books author tries to explain what happened by stating that his "eldest son Yusuf, who after a turbulent reign of two years, was treacherously slain by an individual of the Ali Seliman branch of the Mijjertheyn, inhabiting Bunder Khor". I should warn you though that this man speaks negativity on Somalis or maybe he just went on a rant or something. But I must say it does gives us great information if its actual info. It even drew a chart for us explaining the relationship of each family on Page 335. So do to this we can confirm the line of section that is provided on World Statesmen.org: Othman/Osman II -> Yusuf IV -> Mahmud V (this may be the child of Yusuf?). The book does, however, mention three more individuals before Othman/Osman II which aren't mentioned in World Statesmen.org. Their names are in line of succession: Yusuf -> Mohamed -> Othman/Osman -> Yusuf. Do you notice anything about these names Midday? Do you Midday? There are two more Yusufs, one more Othman/Osman and Mohamed! This backs up the numbers of World Statesmen.org and why it claims that the that the sultanate was founded in c.1600. So this book and website accounts for 3 out of the 4 Yusufs, all 3 Othmans/Osmans, and 3 out of the 4 Mohameds. All though these are the same three names, this other book states this: The Mijjertain Sultans use only four names, viz., Osman, Mohammed, Yusuf, or Ali. So this all checks out and backs the possibility that sultanate was established c. 1600. So do you know what all this means when you put it to gather? Nothing since I can't find any other book to confirm this at this moment..................... By the way, Robert L. Hess states that Yusuf Ali Kenadid "finally died on September 281911" and a bunch of other stuff that I think is highly mouth watering info that I am sadly unable to add since I cant find another book to confirm this at this moment.... AcidSnow ( talk) 05:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Isn't Somalia's weather affected by monsoons? Do you know the exact name for it? Sorry if I am bugging you. AcidSnow ( talk)
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Hi AcidSnow. Do you know what is the oldest of the pillar tombs in Somalia? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:14, 11 April 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your message. I'll be glad to collaborate with you in future (when my work will allow me). Sincerely, -- Oldsettler ( talk) 12:45, 14 April 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Are you familiar with the Oromo ruler Geedi Babo? Some traditions hold that he was aparrently a viceroy within the Ajuran Sultanate. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
@AcidSnow & Middayexpress Was a Ajuran Ruler and was Defeated and Killed By Biimaal . For both of you , Many of the information are correct but sadly a lot contradict the reality on Ground and history books, Let me know if i can be of any Advise or assistance. PS , Motto : Corrupted History Will Build a Corrupted Future Hello, AcidSnow. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Zekenyan ( talk) 00:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. The founder of the Sultanate of Geledi, Omar Dine, was apparently a brother of Fakr ad-Din. This means that the Sultanate of Geledi's founding dynasty and the Sultanate of Mogadishu's first dynasty belonged to the same ruling family. The Geledi Sultanate was thus perhaps established as early as the 13th century, like the Sultanate of Mogadishu, rather than in the 17th century. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 16:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Hi again, AcidSnow. I don't know why, but this edit of yours seems to have removed all of the letter Ts from a section! I would revert it, but since you're an experienced editor and it included a comment that you made at the end, I'll leave it to you to sort out. Cordless Larry ( talk) 17:46, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Still Original research I warned you. Zekenyan ( talk) 15:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC) Did they give full/limited citizenship to Somalis like they did in Libya? I believe we discussed something similar before. Looking back now I understand your "frustration" you had with me then. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:38, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Please explain the Geledi's territorial realm, and what areas were under which administration circa 1880 [102]. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:20, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I recently received a message from you saying you did not like one of my edits. Could you please explain a) who you are and b) why you have a problem with my edits and reported me for it. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YoungTulane17 ( talk • contribs) 02:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Excuse me, but what are you talking about? I use sources when I make edits. Could you try to provide an example where I do not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YoungTulane17 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC) Check this out: [103]. By the way, do you know exactly when the Ajuran Sultanate ended? AcidSnow ( talk) 18:22, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I believe the Ajuran Sultanate was succeeded by the Sultanate of Geledi. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC) I believe the Ajuran Sultanate was succeeded by the Sultanate of Geledi. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Check this out: [104]. Supposedly they both came from the same family. If this is true, then I ask why were most Somali ruling families all from the same family? Also, what exactly am I post to respond to on the Civil War? AcidSnow ( talk) 02:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Xelophate ( talk) 16:26, 25 May 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. You're basically now the new Midday, so responsibility for the proper functioning of the general Horn WikiProjects rests on your shoulders. There will be many new Horn editors joining soon, so please be sure to welcome them and show them the ropes. It's been nice working with you bro; we'll keep in touch. Best, Middayexpress ( talk) 20:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. As a former contributor to the Somalis in the United Kingdom article, I wanted to let you know about a discussion I started about getting the article to GA status, following the issuing of a topic ban to Middayexpress for POV editing of this and other articles. Cordless Larry ( talk) 22:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Just to let you know that I've mentioned you in this report at AN/I, because Middayexpress has seemingly posted about Wikipedia on an external forum, and has mentioned you there. Cordless Larry ( talk) 18:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Nomination of Somalia Standard Time for deletion The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somalia Standard Time until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Cordless Larry ( talk) 23:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC) These guys warring with you on the Walashma page don't really know much about Horn history... Harari234 in particular just couldn't grasp that the Walashma's "Arab" genealogy (the Aqeeli-Jaberti one which is their most accepted genealogy) is basically your standard Somali-Arab genealogy shared by various other Somali dynasties: "Abdullahi Bin Koge bin Warmaeke Bin Mahamed Bin Mahamud Bin Salah Bin Hantale Bin Amlale Bin Abdi Bin Mahamad Bin Abdirahman Bin Isma'il Bin Ibrahim Bin Abdirahman Bin Muhammed Bin Abdi Samad Bin Hanbal Bin Mahdi Bin Ahmed Bin Abdalle Bin Muhammed Bin Aqeel Bin Abi-Talib Bin Abdul-Mutalib Bin Hashim Bin Qusaya" ^ That's the Warsangali's genealogy (I suppose Harari234 believes them & millions of Somalis to be Arabians just like the Walashma based on this genealogy) and here's the Walashma's: "Umar Bin DunyoHuz Bin Ahmed Bin Muhammad bin Hamid Bin Yusuf bin Barkanti Bin -missing names- Bin Isma'il Bin Ibrahim Bin Abdirahman Bin Muhammed Bin Abdi Samad Bin Hanbal Bin Mahdi Bin Ahmed Bin Abdalle Bin Muhammed Bin Aqeel Bin Abi-Talib Bin Abdul-Mutalib Bin Hashim Bin Qusaya" More or less the same genealogy as the Walashma claim descent from the same lineage the Somali Darod clan does-> they claim to be descendants of Aqeel ibn Abi-Talib via his descendant Ismail Al-Jaberti whose son Abdirahman came to the Horn and supposedly founded the Darod line. Practically every person in Northeast Africa with a "Jaberti" genealogy (or just a connection of sorts to "Jaberti"; not necessarily a genealogy) more or less claims a connection to the Darod clan founder whether they're just standard Tigrinya Muslims ( Jaberti people) or Horn African/ Somali Muslims as far away as Egypt but Harari234 probably didn't know anything about this... Btw, I hilariously discovered through some simple research on my own (granted, I can't share this on Wikipedia) that these Arab genealogies (the Darod one, the Isaaq one and even the Yusuf bin Ahmad one are blatantly fake: [-]). Good luck explaining this to Harari234 if he ever comes back though... :/ Awale-Abdi ( talk) 15:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow -- can you tell me any of the backstory on the person following you around reverting your edits? (IPv6 2001:590:xxxx) Is it someone who used to edit with a username -- or someone who is just harassing you? Turns out that yes it is possible to stop this, to answer a question you posed on a couple of other admin talk pages recently -- but that's 4 billion addresses. I'm hoping he will explain on my talk page (he just left me a note). Antandrus (talk) 03:03, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Read [106] 89.238.143.69 ( talk) 03:57, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Many are bad edits, and with these, reverting them improves the articles, why does AcidSnow remove any content that references the Somaliland Times? [107] Spumuq ( talq) 16:34, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Stop removing the individual on War in Somalia article Thank You. 95.141.29.53 ( talk) 03:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey, given that you seem to be one of the few active users on the project, have you noticed any systemic bias on the project regarding article content. I feel there is a need on the part of some users to remove content regardless of its source because according to them it seems positive related to Somalia? I'm asking because you were more active the better part of this year so I am wondering essentially. I also noticed the run-ins I have are the same people that tried to get an ANI on me which failed. Much appreciated. 26oo ( talk) 04:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Honestly no, Acidsnow, we're reaching across too vast a cultural gap to understand. I don't know what you mean about my being embarrassed. If you wish me to understand, you'll have to explain it very simply. I also don't understand what's bad that I did that you wish to not have me here for the moment anymore. I started by trying to explain something, after all.
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Stop interrupting me while I'm trying to start Vice President of SomaliaIf you remove valid content again that represents the best data we have for Vice President of Somalia, in a sort of a logical place, that can develop into a stub article with time and trouble, you risk me bringing down a lot of trouble on you. I will source it - GIVE ME A COUPLE OF DAYS OR MOVE IT, DON'T REMOVE IT!!!! Buckshot06 (talk) 20:43, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
But the starting text has to be placed somewhere!! I picked the most closely associated page!!
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TALK) 13:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC) Would you say Saladin was an Arab because he ruled egypt? Zekenyan ( talk) 01:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, do you have a complete or near complete table of the Sultans of Ifat for the article? 26oo ( talk) 20:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, I think you are from a Somali descent. Could you express your opinion in the talk page Template talk:Black Canadians in order to add more information on the topic. Thanks. Routs verdi ( talk) 18:33, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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"Heggi" (Haji), also known as the "Hashiya", is a colloquialism for the northern clans. This was because their genealogical traditions nominally asserted descent from the Banu Hashim tribe (though as you know they are actually of Hamitic origin). Also, while wavy hair can indeed be found in all clans, it is not uniformly allocated. This is the characteristic hair form of the northern Heggi specifically, not really that of the southern riverine Sab groups. Puccioni quantified this in his general physical analysis [109], and Luling further explained it in her anthropological treatise on the Sab [110]. Thus, the traditional divide between the northern Heggi and southern Sab is not just cultural (nomadic pastoralism vs. sedentary agropastoralism). It is, at a more fundamental level, due to differing ancestral origins. This is why the Sab: (1) still speak other, non-Somali Cushitic languages, (2) are genetically admixed with adjacent Bantu populations (Triska found that almost a third of sedentary agropastoralists in the southern Bay area (i.e., the Sab) had significant Bantu ancestry [111]), and (3) are anthropometrically closer to the Omotic groups than they are to the northern Somalis [112]. The tradition that the Sab have mixed heritage, therefore, appears to be based in reality. All this considered, I think we should either clarify the actual clan allocation of wavy hair vs. afro-textured hair per Puccioni and Luling, or remove the passage altogether since the latter hair form is not characteristic of the population as a whole [113]. Which do you think is best? Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello Soupforone :), Acid snow is aware of my knowledge of population genetics and brought this discussion to my attention. Please forgive the spliced up manner in which I'll be replying to your post, doing so helps me make more succinct replies.
Instead, all that seems apparent is that there are 3 complete outliers who probably have significant & recent outside admixture from Somali Bantus in Yemen or from Somalia. If such admixture was widespread among the Sab; it's very strange that roughly 8 out of 11 samples look to totally lack such admixture and then 3 have a whole lot. Your point would seem better served if the entire sample-set was ~30% West-Central African-related or had varying degrees of such ancestry from 5-30% or so, but what we get instead is the majority seeming to lack such admixture and then 3 sudden outliers carrying a lot of such ancestry. Much more indicative of recent out-mixing. This type of out-mixing is also rare. It's always been known that Rahanweyn clan members have "Bantu" folk present among them, or that they offer their patronage/protection to them due to the historical importance of clan relations in Somali society, but they don't tend to mix with them often at all as this results in the person being immediately ostracized (their children will not be married by other members of their community, for example), so people avoid out-mixing in such a way as a result.
Thanks for the explanation, AcidSnow. Your work is much appreciated too. The above is most interesting; I would just like to make a few minor clarifications. Puccioni's physical analysis was actually his second. His first analysis was published a few years earlier in 1911, but it drew criticism from the anthropologist Radlauer for being unrepresentative (Radlauer had just published his own physical analysis on the northern clans, so he was something of an authority). As a result, Puccioni made certain to parse the data on a clan basis in his later, more comprehensive analysis, which had been commissioned by the colonial authorities. The "Heggi" in his work are actually the Darod and Dir clans of northern Italian Somaliland, the "Haouia" are the Hawiye of the south-central area, and the "Sab" are the Rahanweyn of the riverine area. Puccioni found three distinct physical types: an original Hamitic northern type (Heggi/Haji), a Negroid-influenced riverine type (Sab/Rahanweyn), and an intermediate southern type (Haouia/Hawiye). The northern type was generally tall, lithe, fine-featured, lighter-skinned and wavy-haired. The riverine type was much shorter, stockier, less fine-featured, darker-skinned, and often had afro-textured hair due to admixture with freed slaves. The southern type was intermediate between the two in all measurements, with some individuals closer to the northern type and others nearer to the riverine type [134]. Since his Haouia sample was rather small (consisting of 8 individuals), Puccioni cautioned that it was not necessarily representative; so you may actually be right that there are no considerable differences between the Haouia/Hawiye and the northern clans. However, the dimorphism between the northern and riverine groups has been observed in virtually every other intra-group phenotypic analysis. The Triska genetic study is interesting because it is the first to find any significant Bantu admixture in the Horn, and exactly where one would expect it given tradition, the Zanzibar slave trade route and anthropology (i.e., in the southern riverine area). You're probably right that this Bantu element is recent because if it had been ancient, it would certainly have been found among the Rendille and similar groups that immediately preceded the Sab in that general area - yet it isn't. Therefore, it indeed appears to have been due to matings during the 18th-20th century slave trade. One last misconception that I'd like to quickly clear up is the true identity of the so-called "Arabs" in Somalia. The Benadiri are actually of Hamitic origin, like other ethnic Somalis. They are descendants of the early Cushitic settlers in southern Somalia, who were known in the classical period as the Azanians. The Periplus describes the ethnogenesis of the coastal Azanians, indicating that they sometimes intermarried with Arabian merchants from Muza/Mocha-- "there lies the very last market-town of the continent of Azania, which is called Rhapta... Along this coast live men of... very great in stature, and under separate chiefs for each place... The Mapharitic chief governs it under some ancient right that subjects it to the sovereignty of the state that is become first in Arabia... And the people of Muza now hold it under his authority, and send thither many large ships; using Arab captains and agents, who are familiar with the natives and intermarry with them, and who know the whole coast and understand the language" [135]). Accordingly, the Y-DNA of the Benadiri mainly consists of the E1b1b paternal haplogroup like most other Somalis, with some secondary J and T clades due to these intermarriages [136]. This basically tells us that Puccioni was spot on about the physiognomy of the first Cushitic speakers in the Horn since the Benadiri are markedly Hamitic. They don't look Afro-Arab like the Zanzibari natives, which they logically should have had their Azanian ancestors been a Bantu/Nilotic people. Likewise, when I. M. Lewis asserts that some northern clans also have some Arabian blood, what he means is that there are many persons identical to the Benadiri in the north (i.e., the "cad" Somalis) [137]. But we know from uniparental marker studies that here too, the inhabitants are actually of Hamitic origin. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 03:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC) The "Heggi" in his work are actually the Darod and Dir clans of northern Italian Somaliland, the "Haouia" are the Hawiye of the south-central area, and the "Sab" are the Rahanweyn of the riverine area. Puccioni found three distinct physical types: an original Hamitic northern type (Heggi/Haji), a Negroid-influenced riverine type (Sab/Rahanweyn), and an intermediate southern type (Haouia/Hawiye). The northern type was generally tall, lithe, fine-featured, lighter-skinned and wavy-haired. The riverine type was much shorter, stockier, less fine-featured, darker-skinned, and often had afro-textured hair due to admixture with freed slaves. The southern type was intermediate between the two in all measurements, with some individuals closer to the northern type and others nearer to the riverine type [138].
But this is all irrelevant because this study basically doesn't support your prior claims or the claims of the old academics you're sourcing. The majority of the Southern Somali samples cluster solidly in the "East Africa and Chad" cluster and show no pull toward the "West Africa" cluster and also don't even show noise levels of West Central-African/Bantu-speaker-related admixture in the ADMIXTURE chart. They just look like your typical pre-historic West-Eurasian + pre-historic East African mixture like Somalis in other studies and from commercial sources (I.e. 23andme.com). The only thing that seems a bit interesting about the samples with no West-Central-African/Bantu-speaker-related admixture is that some of them have a bit of a pull toward the West-Central Oromos in the PCA which might imply some Ari-like admixture/admixture from Borana Oromo-like people, something we've seen in the past. Otherwise, they seem really normal.
Somalized or Maayized former Bantu-speakers (some such as the Mushunguli preserved their languages until very recently) would basically be pseudo-assimilates within what is basically a confederacy between several linguistically diverse (Maay, Tunni, Jiddu, Garre etc.) Cushitic speaking populations, despite not being blood-related to them. I say pseudo-assimilates because this was more like a "patronage" type arrangement. The former Bantu-speaking folks in question, pejoratively called "Jareer" and "Adoon" by Somalis and other non-former-Bantu-speaker Rahanweyns, would essentially be protected by clans like the Geledi but would be labeled with words like "Sheegad" ("claimers" would be a rough translation) to point out that they are only members of the clan by name because of the historical importance of clan affiliations in Somali society (particularly in the hinterland) but they aren't, despite the Rahanweyn clan technically being a confederacy more than a kinship group, seen as members by blood or as equal to non "Jareer" clan members. Having children with them is then abhorred and does result in being ostracized, like unmixed people not being willing to marry one's mixed children. So, finding "Negroid" or "Negroid-influenced" Rahanweyns is not anything shocking. They were, in a way, historically a part of the clan and would, at times, be found living among non "Bantu" Cushitic speakers. But these people are in the minority and are not to be taken as examples of the majority of Rahanweyn clan members who do not seem physically distinct from Somalis of the 4 main clans or other Horn Africans (Oromos et al.) in general. The only non-Somali influence I have always suspected in non-Somali Bantu Rahanweyns is something perhaps Oromo-related which the linguistic data somewhat implies could be present. Even one of your links led to a dendrogram which pointed to an affinity between Oromos and the "Sab".
Nevertheless, Benadiris physically do tend to look like what these mixture proportions imply and it's been known for a long time that they're a mixture between Iranians, Arabs, Somalis and Southeast African Bantu people. Granted, a lot of them (not all) have, since the Civil War, been frantically claiming to be "pure" Arabs or "pure" Iranians or something to that effect, essentially going through identity crises.
Nevertheless, this study's data is contradicted by a mtDNA study from 2013 (see here and here). In this mtDNA study, they mixed a lot of ethnic Somalis in with what seem to have been Somali Bantus and Benadiris and there were very clearly mtDNA N/West Eurasian haplogroups unheard for Somalis (T2, J etc.) which correlates will with how the few Benadiri samples whose autosomal DNA I've seen have diverse Y-DNA markers like L1, J1, R1a and E-V32 with L1 & R1a generally being unheard for ethnic Somalis. Benadiris are not totally foreign to Somalia, that seems clear for the time being but they're definitely of substantial non-Horn African origins as well. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 08:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC) The above tome seems a tad off-topic and fervent. Anyway, I'll try and make this final reply brief and to the point. Whether or not the Sab are a descent group, they are in general linguistically, culturally, physically and genetically different from the northern Somalis. The non-anecdotal data is quite clear on this. Pretty much every phenotypic analysis on the Sab has found that they are markedly different from the northerners, in everything from their cephalic index to their nasal index to their stature. You are of course free to argue that these standard anthropometric indicators are "outdated" or whatever, but they have their value nonetheless. And these metrics show that the Sab are closer to Cushitic-influenced Nilotic and Bantu populations than they ought to be. The one-third of Sab individuals in the Triska analysis who appear to be partially Bantu probably do have such recent admixture, as I wrote. However, what you seem to overlook is the remaining so-called "pure" Sab, who appear little different from the Cushitic-admixed Samburu Nilotes (unlike the average northern Somali). This again suggests a deeper layer of foreign influence in that population. Also, I'm sorry if "Hamitic" grates, but it is a term of convenience that connects the native Afro-Asiatic speakers in Northeast Africa; these ancestral ties themselves are also real [139]. I'll finish by pointing out that every published mtDNA study on Somalis has been conducted on a national basis, and thus has included Sab individuals. The only study that hasn't and doesn't is Non (2010), which retyped Watson and Richards' Somali sample from Kenya (Richards indicates that their initial analysis was methodologically flawed, as it was conducted before haplogroup N had been identified [140]). Unsurprisingly, Non's ethnic Somali sample had markedly higher West Eurasian mtDNA than in the national samples that included the Sab individuals. 60% of individuals carried such clades, which included "weird" lineages like haplogroup H (the Benadiri are not alone in this regard) [141]. This only further underscores the atypical nature of the Sab community. As regards the Benadiri Y-DNA, if one inputs the STR values into one of the haplogroup predictors, they show a predominance of E1b1b lineages like other Somalis, but also a moderate frequency of J clades above the Somali norm [142]. Therefore, this does indeed appear to be an actual Benadiri paternal DNA profile. Although South Asian and other elements can be found in general Somali samples [143], it's actually the claims of the commercial genetic testing companies that are most doubtful. They freely admit as much too. On these tests, certain Nilotic populations like the Nuer appear to be almost purely "African" (and are thus sometimes used as proxy samples), yet in uniparental marker analyses, anywhere from 0%-40% of Nuer individuals actually carry Eurasian maternal lineages. Clearly, the situation is a lot more complicated and interesting than a simplistic West Eurasian-and-native-East African scenario. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 17:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Awale-Abdi, actually, there is no satisfactory ancestral designation for Somalis and related peoples. "Hamitic" is one such descriptor [156], but I see you prefer other designations on your blog. Anyway, since discussion of the Sab's phenotype and the genotype that produced it is supposedly off-topic here, and since acknowledgement of the Somali-Sab cleavage is apparently frowned upon among some of the citizenry [157], I'll focus on the actual hair form below. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 02:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
A third voice would be appreciated here: /info/en/?search=Talk:Barbara_(region) So please do try to chime in. I don't want to have to get an Admin involved so perhaps a non-Administrative third party chiming in will help out for now. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 09:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I see that you've now already begun to chime in. Thank you, :) Awale-Abdi ( talk) 21:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Greetings! Can you explain why Laitin indicates that the Sab nobles have different hair form from the lower castes? Shouldn't they have the same morphology? [158] Given this, what is your suggested phrasing? Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 19:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Let's assume that you are correct and that by xabash, Sab Laitin means Bantus specifically (though he doesn't specify this). The wording of the phrase would still be inaccurate since Mouton indicates essentially the same thing, albeit the distinction is now between the jileec (Somali) and jareer (Bantu) [160] [161]. Therefore, something like the following would be more accurate-- "Within Somali society, there exists a jileec and jareer caste dichotomy. The jileec are of ethnic Somali origin and are distinguished by straight-hair and a gracile build, whereas the jareer are believed to originate from the Great Lakes region and are distinguished by afro-textured hair and broad features." Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 02:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
You wrote above that "the distinction between "noble" and "Sab" is in reference to occupation, nomadic vs sedentary (i.e. farmers, blacksmiths, etc). It has nothing to do with "mixed origins"". That is what I was referring to there. Also, please note that removing my own comments is my prerogative per wiki policy. Anyway, I don't think you thoroughly read through the Ahad link. He notes that there is a non-Cushitic indigenous element within Sab society, and highlights numerous historical records establishing this. Thanks though for the fix on Afro. However, you appear to have made a typographical error, as it accidentally omitted the jileec vs. jareer distinction we discussed and the wording you recommended above. This is not a problem though, as I've fixed it. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 16:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
I wrote that the marked differences in hair form between the northern and southern groups were largely due to the riverine groups in the south mating with the local pre-Cushitic population, to which you replied that the distinction between "noble" and "Sab" was actually an allusion to nomadic vs sedentary occupation and had nothing to do with "mixed origins". The rest of my posts were intended to show that these differences were indeed ascribable to absorption of a pre-Cushitic population (which Ahad touches on). Hence, why I removed my own, apparently tangential comments as per WP:UP#GOALS. But if you feel that they are not tangential, that's fine by me. Anyway, the assertion on the Garre and Gaalje'el hairstyle actually appears to be from I. M. Lewis. He writes that the traditional coiffure of young herders from these southern clans is "distinctive" i.e., uncommon and particular to them [172] [173]. The barbaar here is also a young farming group; that is, native to the agricultural areas in the south [174]. Further, that work describes "hard hair" as atypical among the nobles [175]. Point taken, though, about the hairstyle vs. hair texture. Since the Garre and Gaalje'el hairstyle is generally uncommon among the pastoral nomads whereas it is comon among the young agriculturalists, I think therefore it should be phrased as: "In Somalia, young sedentary farmers would grow their hair long and carefully comb it into rather large bushes, which they would then hold in place with ghee [176]. This elaborate hairstyle was quite distinct from that of the pastoral nomads, who would instead grow long and fluff out their fine, straight hair and place a chewing stick and comb in the center. [177]" Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 04:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Greetings! A user has been appending genealogies on Darod and Isaaq from one Mohamed Eno, a Bantu-centered advocate of the " Afropolitanism" [187]. Eno claims the opposite of what you and Awale-Abdi indicated above. That is, he insists that Bantus are the autochthones of Somalia rather than later arrivals and writes from that "Afropolitan" perspective, contrary to WP:NOTADVOCATE. Some WP:REDFLAG genealogies from Richard Burton were also appended, although John Walter Gregory indicates that they are caricatured and based on atypical Somalis [188]. Further, the user removed apparently legitimate genealogies collected by the British Somaliland government, which record the tradition that a Ram Nag was the patriarch of the Dir clan. Could you please provide clarification on this here? Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC) Nomination of Big Smoke Burger for deletionThe article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Smoke Burger (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. DGG ( talk ) 07:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC) The Mediation Committee has received a request for formal mediation of the dispute relating to "Eritrea's geographical naming". As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. Mediation is a voluntary process which resolves a dispute over article content by facilitation, consensus-building, and compromise among the involved editors. After reviewing the request page, the formal mediation policy, and the guide to formal mediation, please indicate in the "party agreement" section whether you agree to participate. Because requests must be responded to by the Mediation Committee within seven days, please respond to the request by 3 September 2016. Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page. Thank you. The request for formal mediation concerning Eritrea's geographical naming, to which you were listed as a party, has been declined. To read an explanation by the Mediation Committee for the rejection of this request, see the mediation request page, which will be deleted by an administrator after a reasonable time. Please direct questions relating to this request to the Chairman of the Committee, or to the mailing list. For more information on forms of dispute resolution, other than formal mediation, that are available, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. For the Mediation Committee,
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One thing i find interesting is that richard and a bunch of the confirmed socks started editing around september, october or november, regardless of the year, it is still significant, you may want to add an important side note on that if you feel that this information is valuable. Iazyges ( talk) 03:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC) Greetings! A user has appended some clan stratification stuff, similar to that which you removed earlier but far less accurate [189]. It indicates among other things that the Sab/Rahanweyn constitute the lower servile strata. When you read this, please fix this. Kind regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 22:49, 14 November 2016 (UTC) I'd like to see you chime in as well. -- Awale-Abdi ( talk) 18:26, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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Doing some research on Horn of Africa articles on Wikipedia, and it seems a notoriously combative and biased former contributor called Middayexpress was run off Wikipedia - only to resurface as AcidSnow and, possibly, a user called Soprofone (sp). These sorts of "contributors" make Wikipedia less reliable than it really should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.56.198.191 ( talk) 02:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)  Hi. An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Wikipedia account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AcidSnow, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Wikipedia administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Wikipedia policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Wikipedia community. Cordless Larry ( talk) 12:14, 19 May 2017 (UTC) Thank you for notifying me. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC) Leo Africanus uses ethnoracial and complexion nomenclature in a mutually exclusive manner. He indicates that the Adel sultanate stretched from the Bab el-Mandeb strait in the northwest to Cape Guardafui in the northeast ("Adel is a very large kingdome, and extendeth from the mouth of the Arabian gulfe to the cape of Guardafu called of olde by Ptolemey Aromata promontorium"), and that the Adea kingdom, of which the Mogadishu sultanate (Magadazo) was its hub, flanked it to the south. According to him, the native inhabitants of these sultanates -- who, in this 16th century, consisted of various Somali groups per the coeval Futuh Al-Habasa -- were for the most part of an olive complexion, with some darker complexioned ("the people of Adel are of the colour of an olive"; "the inhabitants [of the Magadozo sultanate] were of an olive-colour, and some of them blacke, like unto the nations adjoining"). He indicates that the southern interior, which bounded the Adel and Mogadishu sultanates, was mainly inhabited by dark pagan Cafri negro populations, as was the Zanzibar sultanate to their south ("the inland-partes thereof are peopled with a blacke nation which are Idolators"'; "in all which space the cities standing upon the sea-coast[...] were strongly walled toward the lande, for fear of the Cafri, or lawlesse wilde Negros, who were deadly enemies to the Arabians, and utterly misliked their so neere neighbourhood"; "the inhabitants [of Zanguebar] are for the most part black, with curled haire, being Idolators, and much addicted to sorcery and witchcraft"). Leo Africanus describes the denizens of the Adel and Mogadishu sultanates instead as being originally descended from Arabians ("the inhabitants [of the Adea sultanate] being Moores by religion, and paying tribute to the emperour of Abassia, are originally descended of the Arabians") [190]. He believes this because of their distinct morphology, bedouin-like culture and early usage of the Arabic language. For these reasons, he also describes many of the populations of North Africa as Arabians; so this descent tradition should not be interpreted literally. Cheers-- Soupforone ( talk) 14:21, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Are you aware of any pre-Islamic graves in northern Somalia? Have they been linked to Somalis? If not, then what communities? Thank you for your time. AcidSnow ( talk) 03:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, genetics do not suggest a northward movement from southern Ethiopia, especially within the speculated epoch (~2,000 years ago). Any such migration would had to have taken place several millenia before that since the Afroasiatic speakers in that vicinity generally do not share the same E1b1b paternal subclade as those to the north in the Horn. They instead bear the V12/E3b1a1 subhaplogroup [193], whereas the V32 subclade is dominant toward the north, including among Beja inhabiting the Nile Valley. Since the basal V12* is most common in Upper Egypt, ancient southward demic diffusion appears more likely. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 04:50, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
The Garreh(e) also apparently claim Oromo ancestry. However, their V12 paternal subclade and language suggest that they are descended from a distinct Afroasiatic-speaking population. Also, their maternal haplogroup profile is rather different from that of Oromos, Afars, Somalis etc.. It only appears to be similar in the Hirbo analysis because the latter borrowed its mtDNA frequencies from Watson and Richards et al., who overestimated their macrohaplogroup L frequencies according to Richards [194]. Luckily, though, Non resampled the Watson and Richards series, and has presented the correct haplogroup frequencies (~60% M and N sublineages on average [195]). Watson and Richards also messed up the Tuareg's mtDNA frequencies, making it appear as if Tuareg individuals are largely haplogroup L3 carriers, when in fact we now know that H1 is the primary Tuareg maternal clade. Anyway, the presence of the paternal haplogroup J among the Boni is quite interesting, isn't it? What do you make of the ~52% of J among the Omotic-speaking Shekecho who inhabit southern Ethiopia? That is almost twice the usual J frequencies found among neighboring Ethiopian Semitic-speaking populations. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 05:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
That mtDNA is for the main northern Afroasiatic-speaking populations in the Horn. I linked you to it because you suggested that the southern Garreh(e) have only slightly different mtDNA percentages. The table's frequencies are divided into Eurasia-centered M and N sublineages, and Africa-centered macrohaplogroup L derivatives (the latter of which are labeled L(xM,N)). These total 100, with M1 and M1a1 counted as subclades of M. The Garreh(e) indeed have the typical E1b1b-V12 paternal subclade of the Gabbra and other southern East Cushitic speakers. However, V12 is generally not found among the more northerly Afroasiatic-speaking populations, whether Cushitic or Semitic speakers. The E1b1b subclades that the northerners instead primarily carry are V32 (among Tigre, Oromos, Somalis, Beja, Amhara, Tigrinya), V6 (among Afars), and V22 (among Saho). Also, please note that the Garreh(e) possess the generic E1b1b-V12 subclade. The basal/ancestral V12* subclade is primarily restricted to Upper Egypt, where it is believed to have originated and spread from. I'm not sure about the paternal haplogroup J, though. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC) Hello, AcidSnow. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)  Hello, AcidSnow. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 2 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC) Hello, AcidSnow. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC) Hello, I was wondering if you could provide consensus, on the page, Dilla Massacre, you are a well known editor in Somali pages and I was wondering if you could provide your input. The discussion continues in the talk page. Here is the page /info/en/?search=Dilla_Massacre Aqooni ( talk) 04:56, 5 June 2019 (UTC)  Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. -- B-bot ( talk) 17:25, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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The Rendille are related to Somalis. See this study: http://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/11443 The Rendille speak a Somaloid language, while the Gabra, Sakuye and Gareeh have abandoned their original “Somaloid” language for Borana [104, 105]. There is also an overlap of clan names, rituals and beliefs among these historically “Somaloid” populations and a third set of populations speaking various Somali dialects[104, 105]. The putative center of origin of the eastern Cushitic speakers (including the eastern highland Cushitic speakers that are mostly found in Ethiopia) is in southern Ethiopia [106]. Also, see their haplogroup frequencies.. They are similar to Somalis, mainly E1b1b and T1(K2). Wadaad ( talk) 20:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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talk) 23:56, 28 March 2014 (UTC) In this book it states that "Mogadishu was reorganized to house more than 50,000 newly arrived Italians" but than goes on to say that "Mogadishu had a population of about 30,000 Somalis and 20,000 Italians". I am not exactly sure which number is right. As of now, I believe that 50,000 Italians did arrive to Mogadishu, but only 20,000 stayed and the 30,000 went to other cites. Why do these number very so much? There's a lot of info on the Italians in Eritrea and constancy in the numbers of how many that lived there. But for Somalia, there prescence was documrented just no constancy in how many were there. There are also 4,000 Italian immigrants according to Ethnologue currently living in Somalia, [1] but just before that it states that "all of the people from India and Italy have left". Also, do you know where I can view this book (Tripodi, Paolo, "The Colonial Legacy in Somalia")? AcidSnow ( talk) 19:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
"just referred to ...", yes I believe we have already established that. I have provided you with other links that dont suggest it is an exclusive term. There's even "misioni" in Somali which exclusively refers to these types of people, though I dont remember were I found it. "the bill Mussolini passed....", so why can't it be included in the article? As for your page 323 in the link you gave me, it is all about Bantus. For the footnote, please see bellow:
I dont see any mention of a system. AcidSnow ( talk) 17:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
As for the Dervish Army, I have no Idea what happened to my link. I found it using my phone (forr some reason I am able to view more pages then one can using a computer), but when I linked it to my computer I became unable to view it. Here's a link for 15,000 in 1902 (page: 113) and 20,000 in 1903 (page: 127). As for the twin cities, my bad once again. AcidSnow ( talk) 17:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Should there be a page about the Somali Resistance Movement or should all of this be included in the Somaliland Campaign? The page mostly discuses things that involved Britain and not Italy. AcidSnow ( talk) 21:24, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. "Mongobay" is a personal website, not a reliable source. Both Somalis and Italians were also allowed to establish parties under the British military administration. The largest such party was obviously the SYL, not the HDM. The election database also doesn't claim that the HDM was the largest [9]; so insinuating that it was is undue and misleading. Regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 14:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. The RfC finally expired, and an administrator erroneously closed it in favor of the page move when there was clearly no consensus for it (five votes for the proposal vs. five votes against it). Despite this, one of the accounts that supported the move has attempted to edit the list and here as well in that direction. I've left a detailed explanation of the situation here. Your input there would be appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow, I saw your remark "wtf, most of these are not cities" on the revision history page of that article. I agree! Many are villages or not even populated places at all. I started a cleanup, maybe you could help. In fact, a large number of Somalia geography stubs contain serious errors and should be revised. I try to do so from time to time, but it's an uphill battle. Cheers, Loranchet ( talk) 20:03, 5 May 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. I would fix the map, but I unfortunately don't at the moment have the right graphics software. The "Berbers" therein are the non-Semitic speaking Afro-Asiatic groups inhabiting Northeast Africa. Some were thus also found in Egypt/Sudan i.e. the Beja. At any rate, File:Somalia map states regions districts.png also needs fixing after the recent military offensives. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, kenya wasn't called kenya in the 15th c. but the article mentions events there at this time. So why remove the history prior to the 15th c? There is obviously a lot of effort going into this whitewashing of Kenyan history. Sad but inevitable that Wikipedia is used in this way. 86.168.238.55 ( talk) 20:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rktect and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rktect/Archive. Dougweller ( talk) 10:08, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Why is Somali classified on Wikipedia as part of the Macro-Somali languages? Only one source that is listed says it is will other more will know sources put it in another branch from Rendille, Aweer, and Baiso. So why is it listed as that on the classification section. But the dialects of Somali go: Cushitic-> East-> Somali-> Dialect. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AcidSnow ( talk • contribs) 04:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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Do you understand what these charts are saying? I tried to interpret it one my own but I was unable to do to the many charts shown. Is in one chart it states that the Amhara, Tigray, and even the Oromo have far more Semitic admixture then the Somalis and that Somalis also have more Nilo admixture then the rest? In another it zstates that somalis still have more Nilo admixture despite living farther away from them then the rest. Then there's one I see as more realistic with all ethnic groups having closely the same amount of admixture; though it still has outrages amounts of Nilo in all groups. Also why does it have Ethiopian Somalis as a diffrent group and what on earth is Ethiopic?!?! AcidSnow ( talk) 18:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
What is your take on the Rer Bare people? Do you think they are Bantu? I have never heard of such a thing until today. AcidSnow ( talk) 06:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
There is no edit war! I waited for anyone to show opposition, no one did! It's a fact that the Canaanites themselves aren't a distinct group, it's like saying Germanic peoples are a distinct group or that Slavic peoples are a distinct group, WRONG! They're a larger group made up of smaller groups who share a common ancestry. What do you mean wait for consensus? No one is showing opposition. I'll wait for 24 hours for anyone to show opposition, if no one will, will that count as a consensus? Guy355 ( talk) 07:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. As one of the main contributors to WikiProject Somalia, would you mind giving your input here on that project page? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC) But what do you think if the Somali Sign Language? I am quiet shocked to belive that's its Kenyan. If anything I would have assumed it would have been independent, decedent from Italian (like all other African countries that have been colonized), or at least Arabic but Kenyan now that's shocking! AcidSnow ( talk) 04:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
These classifications are getting more outrageous every time I see them. Why on earth would someone classify Aweer as Somali if their using old source that have been disputed by current ones? There are many sources that state that it's far closer to Rendille then to Somali. These are also classified in a different sub group as well. Do you actually believe in this? AcidSnow ( talk) 18:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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Why did you get rid of the LGBT rights in Somaliland page? Somaliland is a whole different country, according to them and to one or two other countries that recognize it. Beside, they have a whole different set of rules. Somalia gives up to three years in prison, Somaliland they will KILL people who are gay. Please reopen that page so I can add that info. Thanks.
Hi AcidSnow. Per the recommendation at DR, I have opened a new discussion here on the Hargeisa plane monument. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 13:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Should this be redirect, Tourism in Somaliland? It's pretty much all already explained on Tourism in Somalia. In fact, all the sources used here are blogs except for two of them. AcidSnow ( talk) 21:40, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Why is it often reported that Mogadishu was founded in 900? That makes very little sense especially since some also say it was founded by Arabs. The city is much older than that. During the the Abbasid Capalhite, they did have nominal control such as tax/zakat, but in the years 804-805 Mogadishu and other cites stoped and revolted. So how could this city have been founded after 900 let alone by Arabs? Even Arab sources say that in 685 that an army was sent to Mogadishu. As we can see the city is much older than that. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
What exactly is this central region? Are they combing the Galmudug region and the Himan and Heeb region to form one state? Could you also please explain Puntlands reason to oppose this? I have not looked up any news regarding Somalia these past few weeks do the increasing crisis. I just did and sadly they have reported that another lawmaker was killed. AcidSnow ( talk) 18:18, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! If you need anything just message me! AcidSnow ( talk) 05:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Talk:Germans - although I think the problem there is just one editor who probably doesn't belong here. Dougweller ( talk) 14:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello Middayexpress. Since your most likely going to move this discussion to my talk page I have decided to beat you to it by starting it here instead. Anyways, I would like to disscuse Maay and it's relationship with Standard Somali and Benadir. I know several individuals that can understand Maay very well. In fact, when I ask to rate their understanding it's usually ranges from 60~80% understanding. They state that they have difficultly with their pronunciation of words and sentence structure. As of now I would I consider it to be a dialect of Somali rather than a completely diffrent language. Several linguistics also agree with this and individuals as well. For example, this individual list Maay as a dialect of Somali but also as "Partially unintelligible" with Somali. At first it would make sense classifying it as such he gives Uzbek and Turkish as his examples when they full under two different branch of the Turkic language. What do you think he meant? Do you consider Maay a dialect? AcidSnow ( talk) 22:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
since 99% of all tourists go to western parts of somaliland. somalia and somaliland tourism pages should not be mixed. somalia has no tourists to talk about. our somaliland government do not even allow tourists to go beyond berbera unless they hire SPU (special protection unit) soldier. Theyuusuf143 ( talk) 13:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC) ヰキプロジェクト琉球はいさい, AcidSnow! I've noticed that you've contributed to the subject of Ryukyu. I invite you to join WikiProject Ryūkyū, AKA the Ryukyu task force, a collaborative effort to expand and deepen coverage of subjects pertaining to Ryukyuan geography, history, and culture. Here are a few links to pages to start you off:
I hope you'll take interest and decide to be a part of this project. めんそーれ! ミーラー強斗武 ( StG88ぬ会話) 17:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC) [16] Might want to reread that. -- NeilN talk to me 15:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Could you please have a look at the Rastafarianism issue here? There also appears to be some anonymous ip misuse. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 23:07, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Based on your apparent, and extreme, bias against religious dissenters in Africa and elsewhere, I suggest you avoid deleting informational sources to create biased edits. It is indisputably established that the execution of religious dissenters is an integral component of the definition of sharia law in many places that apply it and use the term as a euphemism in Africa, and any mention of sharia law in the context of a political government, therefore suggests a high probability of execution of apostates and religious dissenters. To exclude this from the article would be equivalent to excluding WWII from the articles concerning the Hiroshima bombings. This is not original research, but merely the establishment of expository facts. Restore my sources. Astrohoundy ( talk) 18:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Stop manipulating information fool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahabdi ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 16 August 2014 (UTC) He did this to me too. He's being unreasonable. I haven't been socking, you just have something out against me trying to bully me. That's why you reported me for making you feel like you "lost" which is your insecurity not mine. I'm doing nothing wrong, leave me alone. 64.121.83.151 ( talk) 15:35, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Come on, what was the point of mentioning his clan. It really serves no propose to him. He is even tying to distance himself from clanism. Your working against him at this point. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
You warned editors on the ISIS Talk page that Krish8 was a sock puppet and thank you for that. I see today most of those articles he listed in "#Change of sentence" have been included in a new entry in the ISIS article by a "Krishna39", who apparently joined Wikipedia earlier this month (see his Talk page) and this is his first contribution to any Wikipedia article. Do you think this is just an innocent coincidence? I ask since you seem to know something about Krish8's past activities! -- P123ct1 ( talk) 16:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. As one of the main WikiProject Africa contributors, your input here would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
You asked me to keep an eye on possible new socks for Krish8. StanTheMan87 is a new name that has been appearing recently on the ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi pages, and although his account only started on 6 August this year, I see from his user contributions that he has been extremely active in both areas you mentioned, terrorism in the Middle East and India/Pakistan. I am sure I remember seeing StanTheMan being raised somewhere as a sock of an account-holder whose name I cannot now remember but it began with "P". All this only struck me now as I had to leave him a note on his TP about an edit he had made. Is this innocent? -- P123ct1 ( talk) 08:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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Could please contact me via this email: Awaleking@gmail.com I've noticed that you know a good deal about the Horn's history and I'm starting to look into it all now and well... It would be nice to correspond with you and ask you for your sources and so on so I can learn more myself, I've learned a good deal already but I'd like to learn anything that you may know that I don't. Please do consider corresponding with me and just send me a simple email saying "Hi" or whatever. Thank you... Awale-Abdi ( talk) 16:43, 28 August 2014 (UTC) Alright... What do you know about the ancient structures in Somalia? The ruins of the old cities. I've seen images of some pre-Islamic sites and I've done some reading on them but I remember seeing on wiki here that they used "dry stone" for their building materials and that the middle ages saw a change in that Somalis began using other building materials. Is this true? And aren't structures like Mohammed Abdullah Hassan's forts dry stone in nature? Also if the did use dry stone and if there was such a change could please share some sources with me. I'm not at all doubting what I read on here, I'm just sort of compiling a bit of the region's history and need some sources otherwise my work will not be credible. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 22:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
AcidSnow Middayexpress What Goes Around comes Around ... Lets Work Together to Build a Nation and not a Basin of Corrupted History. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoontro ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC) Hi. I noticed that I and you are mentioned as being socks at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dalai lama ding dong. You may want to defend yourself there. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 22:40, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! AcidSnow ( talk) 01:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot ( talk) 01:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Khabboos is opened again. Bladesmulti ( talk) 16:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Regarding this, you need to provide actual evidence such as difs. Also, it may actually be Theyuusuf143. You dealt with the accounts on the tourism page, so you're in a better position to determine if this is indeed the situation. Regards Middayexpress ( talk) 19:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC) Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Operation Gothic Serpent, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Rebel. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 09:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC) I don't really see how heiring a Turkish group would help Somalis. Maybe they should make it so that 80% of the workers are Somalis? There should also be roles as to how long a Forgien worker can stay in Somalia. I don't think it's right for Kenyans to flood the capital and take away jobs from the Somalis. AcidSnow ( talk) 16:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
One of the editors made up this fake article about Bisexuality in the Middle East with no sources and without a neutral point of view. They have refused to add sources and will not delete it. In the first moderation of the conflict a bunch of others voted to keep it, despite that it's based on the one guy's opinion and that the ideas are overgeneralized. I put in a request to review it for deletion re-consideration. Please give assistance at [1] and [2]. Thanks. 64.121.83.151 ( talk) 07:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC) Reverted your edit on Persecution of traditional African religion, see [18] - Second paragraph confirms everything to be 100% correct. Bladesmulti ( talk) 07:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
References Do you mind giving your two cents in this discussion? AcidSnow ( talk) 17:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
"establishment of federal regional states in Somalia was a wrong decision that will create violence between the different clans, he added that federalism is meant for people with different races, ideologies and different interests"..... The Somalis, however, "“ Somalis people share religion, language and have one interest” [19]. Is it possible for it to be removed and returned to the pervious 18. Even better, why not he orginal 8 regions (few regions are domanited by one clan). Could this change if Abdikasim is reelected? AcidSnow ( talk) 13:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
"Somali federalism process should not mirror tribalism", stated President Hassan. This sadly does not seem to be the case. My reaction to hearing about the division of the Mudug region of Somalia. Bring Puntland back into the picture is a step in the right direction though. What do you think? Should I message you on my talk page instead of here from now on? You seem to like to move this stuf to my page which I don't mind. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot ( talk) 12:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC) The Somali languages needs a clean up as it holds a " Macro-Somali veiw". It does not even mention how that's not the case. The Herbert Lewis/E.R. Turton "Omo-Tana" hypothesis is actually pretty dubious; it's contradicted by archaeology, genetics and historical tradition alike [21]. Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi discusses this in his work [22]. Though I don't agree with parts of his work, for example when it regards the diffrence bettween a language" and a "dialect". He oddly also considers Brawa, Merca, and even Mogadishu to be former "Swahili cities". He even believes that Mogadishu was a "tributary" of the Zanzibaris despite it never being so and under Geledi control. He also leaves out of they had to ask the Geledi when they wanted to visit the city. The most shocking is how he considers the Rahanweyn not to be Somali. [23] This is the first time I have ever heard of such a thing. AcidSnow ( talk) 13:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Would you mind sharing your insight here on the Queen of Sheba? Could you also confirm there whether or not this link appears as malware on your computer? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 16:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
The book, Invention of Somalia, which is used on Dada Masiti has numerous problems. Its not surprising that it indicates something different from the Oxfortd book. I have taken the time to remove it and have replaced it with a much better source. AcidSnow ( talk) 01:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Do you mind taking a look at this? It would be very helpful since I have never been here before. I am quite busy; which can be seen in my get few edits these past days, but I will try to be on tomorrow. Thanks. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Do you know what the Sultanate of Mogadishu's rulership succession was? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:08, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited History of Somalia (1991–2006), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Rebel. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 08:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC) Well seeing how you moved my latest question here I have gone a asked my question here instead lol. Anyways, I thought Matt Bryden was removed as member of UN’s Somalia Eritrea Monitoring Group (SEMG) but he leaked some documents in July of 2014. Could you explain this to me Midday? AcidSnow ( talk) 02:23, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Could you explain please how the Kharijites are related to the Sultanate's Fakr ad-Din dynasty? The latter ruling house was established in the 1200s, while the Kharijite date is ca. the late 600s. Regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you commented on the talk page here, the article has since been nominated for deletion so you may be interested in commenting here also, take care. Tanbircdq ( talk) 20:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Hello, Can I know, how programme do you use to create vector graphics? For example - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Somalia_map_states_regions_districts.png. Best regards, Omega933 ( talk) 20:38, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, I need any program, which I can draw detailed maps about ongoing conflict. Except paint :) Omega933 ( talk) 14:32, 23 October 2014 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. The government just published a new control map; it's dated October 14. The militants only control eight major towns now (two other minor ones have since been liberated), and the remaining areas are about to fall [29]. Could you please adjust our political wikimap accordingly? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't have a horse in the race, but I also don't care much for being called a sock, especially when my only involvement in the issue was to revert and block two actual sockpuppets. Please do be more careful about how you level accusations. Parsecboy ( talk) 12:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Sounds interesting. I thought you had graphics software, though? If so, try the tracing feature on it. By the way, I think you may be right about the Sultanate of Mogadishu being perhaps older than we realize. There are apparently old Himyarite inscriptions in Xamar; the toponym may actually derive from that [33]. The Periplus also notes a loose suzerainty there under the Himyarite and Sabaean King Charibael. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Why is Somalia in a development group (the IGAD) with Kenya, Uganda, and South Sudan? Many of these types of international organizations are usually with countries that are culturally, ethnic, linguistic, or geographic related. However, Somalia posses none of those with Kenya, Uganda, and South Sudan? Due to this group there has been a massive error for the definition of the "Horn of Africa"; which even the African Union has made by including those random countries in it. If there's going to a change, then I would propose a much more political and economic group like an "Horn of Africa Union" or something similar. Sudan May join if it desires to due to its relations with the Horn of Africa. AcidSnow ( talk) 14:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Has the Italian language lost it's use in Somalia? Many Somali leaders have historically spoke Italian as one of their languages, such as the majority of Somali President, Prime Ministers, and Parliment Members. However, seeing how Hassan Sheikh Mohamud does speak Italian, let alone Arabic, it seems that English has become the preferred 3rd language amongst Somalis. There does not even seem to be Italian-based schools in major cities such as Bosaso, only "English, Arabic, and the Somali local language". There does seem to be, however, an attempt to revive the language in Somalia, such as the reoping of Italian only schools and most notably, the reintroduceing it in the Somali National University (though, it quite shocking how the school does not even have any of its course in Somali but only English). It is also used by the Somalis training in Italy as well. It also seems that the United Nations would prefer to hire someone that spoke Italian rather than English. What do you think of the role the Italian language plays in Somalia? Personally I think it should be required with Arabic in a fashion like this, Arabic: Elementary -> Middle Schhol and Italian: Highschool -> University. But the Somali language is used throught the education system. English can be asked later on if someone desires it. That being said, is school compulsory in Somalia? If not, a law should be approved asap regarding this! AcidSnow ( talk) 03:48, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. A user tried to add the Faytinga file, although I explained to him that as a Nilotic Kunama individual, she is not representative of Eritrea's Afro-Asiatic majority. I also linked him to where this was explained to Vetrisimino0 [37]. I also suggested the Tigrinya singer Helen Meles as a more appropriate alternative. Can you please keep an eye on this? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much ...i really appreciate it Saadkhan12345 ( talk) 11:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC) Hi, on this article Arab slave trade I am having a problem with an ip editor. It is small but you know how these things go, when someone starts calling you names you bunker down and start shelling. The issue is Arab, or Muslim conquest, which is better. Your feedback would be appreciated. both positions can be argued for an the term is used interchangeable. I do however feed the ip is not actually worried about that and is inserting Islam for Islamophobic reasons not scholarship reasons. -- Inayity ( talk) 08:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
You have edited a line which stated East Africa, and changed it to Horn of Africa. You failed to provide a reason, and the edit you made is also wrong. Please explain yourself. You have edited a line that originally referred to Majerteen inhabitants. This was edited, without proper reason, to the term Bedouin. You have reverted it, twice, to Bedouin, even when told by the original poster that the term Bedouin is misinformative. Rather, the correct term is nomad, and even more so, pastoralist. The town in question was never a nomadic stronghold in any case, being inhabited by part-time pastoralists, part-time fishermen/coastal dwellers. The term Bedouin is used perhaps once in the original work from 1872. That does not mean it is correct, or should be automatically included. Moreover, it was never included in the original post, for reasons explained. Bedouins are Arab nomads. If you are still confused, see the Bedouin article on Wiki.
It is inappropriate to bait blocked editors, as you did out here. I understand this might be an extremely isolated incident, that's why I'm not posting this comment on the edit warring noticeboard. I am sure you'll take this suggestion in good form. Thanks. Wifione Message 04:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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What do you think of Zanzibars claim to Somalia? I have found some new info on their claim that I think you would be interested in hearing. But I will show you after so I don't confuse you. If not, then showing you now is fine. AcidSnow ( talk) 20:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Could you please enumerate the Sultans of the Sultanate of Mogadishu that you know of? The first dynasty was that of Fakr ad-Din, but it gets muddled in later reigns. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 20:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Do you mind doing a clean up in the Hamitic page? AcidSnow ( talk) 21:08, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I have requested a mediator to resolve our disagreement on "SSC Clans". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.99.102.81 ( talk) 14:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC) Should there be a template for Somali clans? The current templete lists them as ethnicities and that they are ethnically different from one another. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I have found some maps on Wikipedia that state that Somaliland is oddly not part of Somalia. I have made attempts to fix them but I am unable to do so due to .SVG type of the images or something like that. AcidSnow ( talk) 20:14, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is " Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:Khatumo State#SSC_clans". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! --DRN volunteer Bejnar ( talk) 20:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC) Why on earth do people foolishly claim that Mogadishu, Hamar, and Shingani are Swahili or Bantu words? Even the Cambridge believes this, see here. That makes zero sense when the Bantu never lived in the Horn of Africa until the 1800's! Mogadishu, Brava, Kismayo and the rest have always been Somali and never in the hands of the Bantu or Swahili. More importantly, Hamar, from what remember is the Somali word for some plant that with the letter "T". I will inform you when I find the book or another one again. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Would you weighing in here? You're familiar with the matter, so your insight would be appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 22:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I recommend the following text based on the Lambeth Research and Statistics Unit's official explanation: "According to the Lambeth Research and Statistics Unit, no reliable nationwide statistics are available on the size and educational attainment of Somali pupils in the United Kingdom. Data on the students has often been aggregated under a broad continental 'African' variable, which obscures the students' unique charateristics and requirements. This in turn inhibits targeted policy making and practice developments at the national and local level. To redress this, various London Local Authorities, where most Somali pupils matriculate, have started gathering and monitoring data on the Somali student community" [69]. Middayexpress ( talk) 23:44, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi, AcidSnow. You posted a link to the article talk page, but it doesn't seem to be working. Could there be a typo in the address? Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Someone is removing sourced content on Anti-balaka. Is there anything you can do to stop this? AcidSnow ( talk) 21:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello! I have been trying to figure out how many Bantus that live in Dadaab and other refuge camps in the Somali region of Kenya. For starters, it seems like that they took 10,000s or Bantus yo Kakuma in northwest Kenya. This seems to have been to protect them from discrimination as we as violence in Dabaab. However, according to one UNHRC article Dadaab is 6% Bantu? [70] In fact, it also stated that Kakuma is not only 20% Bantu but is also has 20% of its population also coming from the Hawiye clan and less than a quater Darood? [71] How is this going to protect them? It seems highly counterproductive. Or do they want the Bantus and Nilotic to have greater numbers for a changes? They have also foolishly sent the Benadiri, Bajuni, Barawanis, and Ashraaf clans there as well. [72] Though some groups like the Bajuni have returned to Kismayo and other areas. Do you know if the Bantus plan to ever return to Somalia? AcidSnow ( talk) 04:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. There was apparently a sultanate in Bari around the time that the Warsangali Sultanate was established. Would you happen to know the names of its various Sultans? Also, what were their aristocratic and court titles? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:57, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
You wrote: "This has already been explained" Where was that explained? On the article talk page it has only "discussion" with people with the idea to make all Christians in the region only Assyrians (or at least to make Assyrian a pan-ethnicity) and people who see no problem to have that specific article Arameans in Israel. (I and most of the Maronites that I know accept the reality that we Maronites have primarily Phoenician descent mixed with Aramean and Ghassanid Arab blood lineage.) Thanks in advance. MaronitePride ( talk) 04:24, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
MaronitePride, I don't understand why you and GreyShark09 keep reverting without discussion. I still can't see why the article should be on English Wikipedia. And i did not understand your edit comment "Let's keep Arameans in Israel here. Only for now is disambig. soon will be return to normal article.". AcidSnow, can this be brought up on ANI? Shmayo ( talk) 07:18, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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A girl of that age (prepubescent) wearing hijab is not normal nor representative of Somali girls of that age nor of Muslim girls of that age in general.A girl of that age (prepubescent) wearing hijab is not normal nor representative of Somali girls of that age nor of Muslim girls of that age in general. A pubescent Somali girl or woman wearing a hijab is representative of Somali females in general, and that is why must be put instead. The Holy Quran requires that only girls who reach puberty wear the hijab. The prophet Muhammad PBUH said "After a young woman reaches the age of puberty, nothing should be seen of her except her face and hands". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.200.10.224 ( talk) 22:03, 8 February 2015 (UTC) I hope you don't mind, but I did a little archiving on that talk page. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 20:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC) Why did you deleted my contributions to Erigavo talk page. Hold your horses next time. 92.96.176.42 ( talk) 09:03, 12 February 2015 (UTC) Again user AcidSnow, please refer from the continues vandalism on the contributions coming from my side and come to the talk page. 92.96.176.42 ( talk) 12:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC) It seems that the Kaddre Script was the most accurate script for the Somali language. It also am seems that the the Latin script was being developed in the 1890's by the Italians but they opted to use Latin pronunciation for some reason o.0? Source [79]. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I am currently on the German Wikikpefia and they are saying some messed up things about the Rahanweyn clan. Such as calling them "fake Somalis". I have changed the text and stated that's far from reality as they are just ethnic Somalis like the other clans. However, I was reverted. I plan now to clearly explain how that completely wrong. But first, what exactly does "Sab" mean? Isn't that the "father" of the Rahanweyne clan? They list it as "outcast" on the German page. Please help me as this highly insulting to all Somalis! AcidSnow ( talk) 17:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Do they plan to go back to this or has that ship sailed? AcidSnow ( talk) 01:31, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Do you know what was the state flag of the Geledi Sultanate? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 02:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
AcidSnow Middayexpress Same Thing here . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoontro ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC) AcidSnow As per Wiki History Log alot of Somalia history is or has being Omitted, Vandalized or used for personal instead of Real facts of history ? are you following ! Whats wrong with real truth History with Source abundant like Water ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoontro ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Please have a look here. An apparent sock has attempted to readd the disputed material; note the convenient timing [86] (also [87]). Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 18:47, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Article claims that Ethiopids are "Negriod" mix. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey AcidSnow. Do you have any idea what this was all about? The vandalism seemed to target editors with an interest in Somalis and Somalia, including the two of us. It was a new account so I wonder if some sockpuppetry was going on? They've been blocked now anyway, but I was just curious if you knew anything about where it all stemmed from. Cordless Larry ( talk) 12:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Do the Isaaq really think they can just force the Darood and Dir clans to join them? What exactly is "Somaliland" anyways? It quite clear that none of the Dir and Darod clans want to joint them. So when the nothern regions are "captured", give up separatism, or whatever happens, will the regions still stay as "Somaliland" or will they return to pre 1991? AcidSnow ( talk) 18:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Military history of Somalia, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Tale. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 08:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC) To AcidSnow: Do you know why Somalia is messed up? Its because of people like you. You have a very sharp tongue I advise you to watch what you say on here. You may have grown up in a very harsh environment but it shouldn't be an excuse for you to act the way you do. Dont be reckless! Respect others regardless of their clan ethnicity or race. KaiseDis ( talk) 23:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC) Hello! How are you? Anyways, I would like to know why you keep editing maps with edit summaries such as "added South Sudan" but also slip in "Somaliland"? The former is a nation while the other is an autonomous region of Somalia. I tried to correct this but Wikipedia won't let me upload .SVG files. Do you mind fixing this? AcidSnow ( talk) 01:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
How is the Tree planting doing in Somalia? Did they reach 25,000 yet? It seems that simply planting tress helps make it rain more. [93] "in areas in Europe where there have previously been no trees can reduce the effect of climate change by cooling temperate regions", forget about 25,000 they need to plant a couple million trees in Mogadishu asap 0_0. AcidSnow ( talk) 20:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Do you perhaps know which currency the various medieval Beja sultanates used? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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In appreciation of you maintaining a sense of humour. Cordless Larry ( talk) 22:13, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello AcidSnow, I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Big Smoke Burger for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia. If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Walkabout14 ( talk) 21:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Deletion discussion about Big Smoke BurgerHello, AcidSnow, I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Big Smoke Burger should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Smoke Burger . If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top. Thanks, Walkabout14 ( talk) 04:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Big Smoke Burger, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Lamb. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 09:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC) Go ahead with the ban proposal... If he's really trying to claim they're Argobba (not one text on this, that I have ever seen. Nor any evidence) and act like the very clearly known fact that the Adal and Ifat's soldiers were largely Somali (acting like the Futuh is nothing...) and then uses imbeciles like Braukamper to make his points while ignoring the clear evidence in those genealogies-> then yeah, he should be banned. He's just here to spread an agenda and war it out. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 10:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
It would superficially appear that you support your own ban? WP:ANI#Ban proposal Shouldn't you start a new section w/diffs? Cheers Jim1138 ( talk) 16:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Could you please enumerate the Sultans of the Ajuran Sultanate that you know of? Several of the rulers' names are engraved on the Ajuran currency. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 18:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
My book-rental has expired so I cannot find the page number now, so I cited a different source for the same material concerning trial testimony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrohoundy ( talk • contribs) 16:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC) Please explain your edits on Islam and antisemitism on the talk page. Thank you. RebSmith ( talk) 20:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. The user whose content you appear to have taken issue with remedied the deficiency mentioned in the talk page. Please read the talk page and contribute constructively. You are blanking 17 kilobytes of content, most of which is appropriately sourced, NPOV, non-original-research. Bkalafut ( talk) 21:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC) stop what you are doing there two diffrent sourecs on the supject of the independance of Somaliland thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadraa ( talk • contribs) 02:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC) NO to all aspects of this supposed new capital for Somalia. Mogadishu most remain the capital as it has allways been. AcidSnow ( talk) 17:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey AcidSnow. I just noticed you actually violated WP:3RR yourself. This normally results in a block by default. Given your extensive attempts to discuss the issue, request administrator intervention, and the fact that you're an established editor in good standing with a clean block log and no apparent overarching behavioral issues with edit warring, I'll give you a break this time, but I'm obliged to remind you to keep an eye out for this in the future. Doesn't even matter if you're "in the right", you cannot breach 3RR. Please be more mindful of this, we don't normally let people off with a warning. Swarm... —X— 04:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Instead of giving it to forgein in waters, why don't they just nationalize it? They can get assistance from countries that already have theirs nationalized like Saudi Arabia. AcidSnow ( talk) 01:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, AcidSnow. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Zekenyan ( talk) 18:22, 27 March 2015 (UTC) if you continue to hound me ill have to report you again. Zekenyan ( talk) 04:53, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
The book is a wikipedia mirror its not reliable. Zekenyan ( talk) 03:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC) An individual had made many peculator edits to the Macrobians article. He has directly attributed them as a "legendary tribe of Aethiopia" and that they were possibly situated "deep south of the Atlas mountains in the area of modern day Senegal". AcidSnow ( talk) 02:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
^ Please go to that admin's talk page and add whatever grievances you may have with Zekenyan (at the bottom) and explain how he's been hounding you and warring on the Walashma page, you're honestly more familiar with him. Take care, Awale-Abdi ( talk) 21:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC) if you truly believe my sources are fringe, why dont you take it to the fringe board or should I? [101] Zekenyan ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:58, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The Silk Road article is missing a lot on Somalia. Do you mind assisting me in improving it? AcidSnow ( talk) 01:27, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Have you seen this guy before? Oddly enough he reads off Wikipedia lol. AcidSnow ( talk) 04:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
So I found this World Statesmen.org article on "Somali Traditional States" which provides names and sometimes dates for various early modern and colonial sultanates. I noticed that it got a few dates wrong for Sultans that I am aware of, eg. it states that the Geledi Sultan Osman Ahmed abdicated in 3 Sep 1908. Although he didn't I nonetheless took the time to cross referencing the names and dates. I can say as of now that the names may be real but I can't say the same about the dates. This book seems to confirm two Sultans of the Majeerteen named "Othman" (probably a different spelling of Osman) and "Yusuf" both which indirectly preceded Osman Mahamud. This World Statesmen.org article states that "Othman II" ruled from 1815-1842 and that "Yusuf IV" briefly ruled from 1842-1844. Are you wondering why Yusuf ruled for so shortly? Are you Midday? As I stated earlier this books author tries to explain what happened by stating that his "eldest son Yusuf, who after a turbulent reign of two years, was treacherously slain by an individual of the Ali Seliman branch of the Mijjertheyn, inhabiting Bunder Khor". I should warn you though that this man speaks negativity on Somalis or maybe he just went on a rant or something. But I must say it does gives us great information if its actual info. It even drew a chart for us explaining the relationship of each family on Page 335. So do to this we can confirm the line of section that is provided on World Statesmen.org: Othman/Osman II -> Yusuf IV -> Mahmud V (this may be the child of Yusuf?). The book does, however, mention three more individuals before Othman/Osman II which aren't mentioned in World Statesmen.org. Their names are in line of succession: Yusuf -> Mohamed -> Othman/Osman -> Yusuf. Do you notice anything about these names Midday? Do you Midday? There are two more Yusufs, one more Othman/Osman and Mohamed! This backs up the numbers of World Statesmen.org and why it claims that the that the sultanate was founded in c.1600. So this book and website accounts for 3 out of the 4 Yusufs, all 3 Othmans/Osmans, and 3 out of the 4 Mohameds. All though these are the same three names, this other book states this: The Mijjertain Sultans use only four names, viz., Osman, Mohammed, Yusuf, or Ali. So this all checks out and backs the possibility that sultanate was established c. 1600. So do you know what all this means when you put it to gather? Nothing since I can't find any other book to confirm this at this moment..................... By the way, Robert L. Hess states that Yusuf Ali Kenadid "finally died on September 281911" and a bunch of other stuff that I think is highly mouth watering info that I am sadly unable to add since I cant find another book to confirm this at this moment.... AcidSnow ( talk) 05:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Isn't Somalia's weather affected by monsoons? Do you know the exact name for it? Sorry if I am bugging you. AcidSnow ( talk)
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Hi AcidSnow. Do you know what is the oldest of the pillar tombs in Somalia? Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 17:14, 11 April 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your message. I'll be glad to collaborate with you in future (when my work will allow me). Sincerely, -- Oldsettler ( talk) 12:45, 14 April 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Are you familiar with the Oromo ruler Geedi Babo? Some traditions hold that he was aparrently a viceroy within the Ajuran Sultanate. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
@AcidSnow & Middayexpress Was a Ajuran Ruler and was Defeated and Killed By Biimaal . For both of you , Many of the information are correct but sadly a lot contradict the reality on Ground and history books, Let me know if i can be of any Advise or assistance. PS , Motto : Corrupted History Will Build a Corrupted Future Hello, AcidSnow. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Zekenyan ( talk) 00:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. The founder of the Sultanate of Geledi, Omar Dine, was apparently a brother of Fakr ad-Din. This means that the Sultanate of Geledi's founding dynasty and the Sultanate of Mogadishu's first dynasty belonged to the same ruling family. The Geledi Sultanate was thus perhaps established as early as the 13th century, like the Sultanate of Mogadishu, rather than in the 17th century. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 16:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Hi again, AcidSnow. I don't know why, but this edit of yours seems to have removed all of the letter Ts from a section! I would revert it, but since you're an experienced editor and it included a comment that you made at the end, I'll leave it to you to sort out. Cordless Larry ( talk) 17:46, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Still Original research I warned you. Zekenyan ( talk) 15:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC) Did they give full/limited citizenship to Somalis like they did in Libya? I believe we discussed something similar before. Looking back now I understand your "frustration" you had with me then. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:38, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi AcidSnow. Please explain the Geledi's territorial realm, and what areas were under which administration circa 1880 [102]. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 15:20, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I recently received a message from you saying you did not like one of my edits. Could you please explain a) who you are and b) why you have a problem with my edits and reported me for it. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YoungTulane17 ( talk • contribs) 02:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Excuse me, but what are you talking about? I use sources when I make edits. Could you try to provide an example where I do not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YoungTulane17 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC) Check this out: [103]. By the way, do you know exactly when the Ajuran Sultanate ended? AcidSnow ( talk) 18:22, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I believe the Ajuran Sultanate was succeeded by the Sultanate of Geledi. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC) I believe the Ajuran Sultanate was succeeded by the Sultanate of Geledi. Best regards, Middayexpress ( talk) 19:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Check this out: [104]. Supposedly they both came from the same family. If this is true, then I ask why were most Somali ruling families all from the same family? Also, what exactly am I post to respond to on the Civil War? AcidSnow ( talk) 02:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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Hi AcidSnow. As a former contributor to the Somalis in the United Kingdom article, I wanted to let you know about a discussion I started about getting the article to GA status, following the issuing of a topic ban to Middayexpress for POV editing of this and other articles. Cordless Larry ( talk) 22:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow. Just to let you know that I've mentioned you in this report at AN/I, because Middayexpress has seemingly posted about Wikipedia on an external forum, and has mentioned you there. Cordless Larry ( talk) 18:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Nomination of Somalia Standard Time for deletionThe article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somalia Standard Time until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Cordless Larry ( talk) 23:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC) These guys warring with you on the Walashma page don't really know much about Horn history... Harari234 in particular just couldn't grasp that the Walashma's "Arab" genealogy (the Aqeeli-Jaberti one which is their most accepted genealogy) is basically your standard Somali-Arab genealogy shared by various other Somali dynasties: "Abdullahi Bin Koge bin Warmaeke Bin Mahamed Bin Mahamud Bin Salah Bin Hantale Bin Amlale Bin Abdi Bin Mahamad Bin Abdirahman Bin Isma'il Bin Ibrahim Bin Abdirahman Bin Muhammed Bin Abdi Samad Bin Hanbal Bin Mahdi Bin Ahmed Bin Abdalle Bin Muhammed Bin Aqeel Bin Abi-Talib Bin Abdul-Mutalib Bin Hashim Bin Qusaya" ^ That's the Warsangali's genealogy (I suppose Harari234 believes them & millions of Somalis to be Arabians just like the Walashma based on this genealogy) and here's the Walashma's: "Umar Bin DunyoHuz Bin Ahmed Bin Muhammad bin Hamid Bin Yusuf bin Barkanti Bin -missing names- Bin Isma'il Bin Ibrahim Bin Abdirahman Bin Muhammed Bin Abdi Samad Bin Hanbal Bin Mahdi Bin Ahmed Bin Abdalle Bin Muhammed Bin Aqeel Bin Abi-Talib Bin Abdul-Mutalib Bin Hashim Bin Qusaya" More or less the same genealogy as the Walashma claim descent from the same lineage the Somali Darod clan does-> they claim to be descendants of Aqeel ibn Abi-Talib via his descendant Ismail Al-Jaberti whose son Abdirahman came to the Horn and supposedly founded the Darod line. Practically every person in Northeast Africa with a "Jaberti" genealogy (or just a connection of sorts to "Jaberti"; not necessarily a genealogy) more or less claims a connection to the Darod clan founder whether they're just standard Tigrinya Muslims ( Jaberti people) or Horn African/ Somali Muslims as far away as Egypt but Harari234 probably didn't know anything about this... Btw, I hilariously discovered through some simple research on my own (granted, I can't share this on Wikipedia) that these Arab genealogies (the Darod one, the Isaaq one and even the Yusuf bin Ahmad one are blatantly fake: [-]). Good luck explaining this to Harari234 if he ever comes back though... :/ Awale-Abdi ( talk) 15:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC) Hi AcidSnow -- can you tell me any of the backstory on the person following you around reverting your edits? (IPv6 2001:590:xxxx) Is it someone who used to edit with a username -- or someone who is just harassing you? Turns out that yes it is possible to stop this, to answer a question you posed on a couple of other admin talk pages recently -- but that's 4 billion addresses. I'm hoping he will explain on my talk page (he just left me a note). Antandrus (talk) 03:03, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Read [106] 89.238.143.69 ( talk) 03:57, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Many are bad edits, and with these, reverting them improves the articles, why does AcidSnow remove any content that references the Somaliland Times? [107] Spumuq ( talq) 16:34, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Stop removing the individual on War in Somalia article Thank You. 95.141.29.53 ( talk) 03:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey, given that you seem to be one of the few active users on the project, have you noticed any systemic bias on the project regarding article content. I feel there is a need on the part of some users to remove content regardless of its source because according to them it seems positive related to Somalia? I'm asking because you were more active the better part of this year so I am wondering essentially. I also noticed the run-ins I have are the same people that tried to get an ANI on me which failed. Much appreciated. 26oo ( talk) 04:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Honestly no, Acidsnow, we're reaching across too vast a cultural gap to understand. I don't know what you mean about my being embarrassed. If you wish me to understand, you'll have to explain it very simply. I also don't understand what's bad that I did that you wish to not have me here for the moment anymore. I started by trying to explain something, after all.
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Stop interrupting me while I'm trying to start Vice President of SomaliaIf you remove valid content again that represents the best data we have for Vice President of Somalia, in a sort of a logical place, that can develop into a stub article with time and trouble, you risk me bringing down a lot of trouble on you. I will source it - GIVE ME A COUPLE OF DAYS OR MOVE IT, DON'T REMOVE IT!!!! Buckshot06 (talk) 20:43, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
But the starting text has to be placed somewhere!! I picked the most closely associated page!!
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TALK) 13:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC) Would you say Saladin was an Arab because he ruled egypt? Zekenyan ( talk) 01:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, do you have a complete or near complete table of the Sultans of Ifat for the article? 26oo ( talk) 20:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, You were harassed in March by IP 121.220.98.113, from Melbourne. I just blocked 137.147.177.16, same geolocation, similar edits. Drmies ( talk) 05:58, 30 November 2015 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Big Smoke Burger
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Hello, I think you are from a Somali descent. Could you express your opinion in the talk page Template talk:Black Canadians in order to add more information on the topic. Thanks. Routs verdi ( talk) 18:33, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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"Heggi" (Haji), also known as the "Hashiya", is a colloquialism for the northern clans. This was because their genealogical traditions nominally asserted descent from the Banu Hashim tribe (though as you know they are actually of Hamitic origin). Also, while wavy hair can indeed be found in all clans, it is not uniformly allocated. This is the characteristic hair form of the northern Heggi specifically, not really that of the southern riverine Sab groups. Puccioni quantified this in his general physical analysis [109], and Luling further explained it in her anthropological treatise on the Sab [110]. Thus, the traditional divide between the northern Heggi and southern Sab is not just cultural (nomadic pastoralism vs. sedentary agropastoralism). It is, at a more fundamental level, due to differing ancestral origins. This is why the Sab: (1) still speak other, non-Somali Cushitic languages, (2) are genetically admixed with adjacent Bantu populations (Triska found that almost a third of sedentary agropastoralists in the southern Bay area (i.e., the Sab) had significant Bantu ancestry [111]), and (3) are anthropometrically closer to the Omotic groups than they are to the northern Somalis [112]. The tradition that the Sab have mixed heritage, therefore, appears to be based in reality. All this considered, I think we should either clarify the actual clan allocation of wavy hair vs. afro-textured hair per Puccioni and Luling, or remove the passage altogether since the latter hair form is not characteristic of the population as a whole [113]. Which do you think is best? Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello Soupforone :), Acid snow is aware of my knowledge of population genetics and brought this discussion to my attention. Please forgive the spliced up manner in which I'll be replying to your post, doing so helps me make more succinct replies.
Instead, all that seems apparent is that there are 3 complete outliers who probably have significant & recent outside admixture from Somali Bantus in Yemen or from Somalia. If such admixture was widespread among the Sab; it's very strange that roughly 8 out of 11 samples look to totally lack such admixture and then 3 have a whole lot. Your point would seem better served if the entire sample-set was ~30% West-Central African-related or had varying degrees of such ancestry from 5-30% or so, but what we get instead is the majority seeming to lack such admixture and then 3 sudden outliers carrying a lot of such ancestry. Much more indicative of recent out-mixing. This type of out-mixing is also rare. It's always been known that Rahanweyn clan members have "Bantu" folk present among them, or that they offer their patronage/protection to them due to the historical importance of clan relations in Somali society, but they don't tend to mix with them often at all as this results in the person being immediately ostracized (their children will not be married by other members of their community, for example), so people avoid out-mixing in such a way as a result.
Thanks for the explanation, AcidSnow. Your work is much appreciated too. The above is most interesting; I would just like to make a few minor clarifications. Puccioni's physical analysis was actually his second. His first analysis was published a few years earlier in 1911, but it drew criticism from the anthropologist Radlauer for being unrepresentative (Radlauer had just published his own physical analysis on the northern clans, so he was something of an authority). As a result, Puccioni made certain to parse the data on a clan basis in his later, more comprehensive analysis, which had been commissioned by the colonial authorities. The "Heggi" in his work are actually the Darod and Dir clans of northern Italian Somaliland, the "Haouia" are the Hawiye of the south-central area, and the "Sab" are the Rahanweyn of the riverine area. Puccioni found three distinct physical types: an original Hamitic northern type (Heggi/Haji), a Negroid-influenced riverine type (Sab/Rahanweyn), and an intermediate southern type (Haouia/Hawiye). The northern type was generally tall, lithe, fine-featured, lighter-skinned and wavy-haired. The riverine type was much shorter, stockier, less fine-featured, darker-skinned, and often had afro-textured hair due to admixture with freed slaves. The southern type was intermediate between the two in all measurements, with some individuals closer to the northern type and others nearer to the riverine type [134]. Since his Haouia sample was rather small (consisting of 8 individuals), Puccioni cautioned that it was not necessarily representative; so you may actually be right that there are no considerable differences between the Haouia/Hawiye and the northern clans. However, the dimorphism between the northern and riverine groups has been observed in virtually every other intra-group phenotypic analysis. The Triska genetic study is interesting because it is the first to find any significant Bantu admixture in the Horn, and exactly where one would expect it given tradition, the Zanzibar slave trade route and anthropology (i.e., in the southern riverine area). You're probably right that this Bantu element is recent because if it had been ancient, it would certainly have been found among the Rendille and similar groups that immediately preceded the Sab in that general area - yet it isn't. Therefore, it indeed appears to have been due to matings during the 18th-20th century slave trade. One last misconception that I'd like to quickly clear up is the true identity of the so-called "Arabs" in Somalia. The Benadiri are actually of Hamitic origin, like other ethnic Somalis. They are descendants of the early Cushitic settlers in southern Somalia, who were known in the classical period as the Azanians. The Periplus describes the ethnogenesis of the coastal Azanians, indicating that they sometimes intermarried with Arabian merchants from Muza/Mocha-- "there lies the very last market-town of the continent of Azania, which is called Rhapta... Along this coast live men of... very great in stature, and under separate chiefs for each place... The Mapharitic chief governs it under some ancient right that subjects it to the sovereignty of the state that is become first in Arabia... And the people of Muza now hold it under his authority, and send thither many large ships; using Arab captains and agents, who are familiar with the natives and intermarry with them, and who know the whole coast and understand the language" [135]). Accordingly, the Y-DNA of the Benadiri mainly consists of the E1b1b paternal haplogroup like most other Somalis, with some secondary J and T clades due to these intermarriages [136]. This basically tells us that Puccioni was spot on about the physiognomy of the first Cushitic speakers in the Horn since the Benadiri are markedly Hamitic. They don't look Afro-Arab like the Zanzibari natives, which they logically should have had their Azanian ancestors been a Bantu/Nilotic people. Likewise, when I. M. Lewis asserts that some northern clans also have some Arabian blood, what he means is that there are many persons identical to the Benadiri in the north (i.e., the "cad" Somalis) [137]. But we know from uniparental marker studies that here too, the inhabitants are actually of Hamitic origin. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 03:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC) The "Heggi" in his work are actually the Darod and Dir clans of northern Italian Somaliland, the "Haouia" are the Hawiye of the south-central area, and the "Sab" are the Rahanweyn of the riverine area. Puccioni found three distinct physical types: an original Hamitic northern type (Heggi/Haji), a Negroid-influenced riverine type (Sab/Rahanweyn), and an intermediate southern type (Haouia/Hawiye). The northern type was generally tall, lithe, fine-featured, lighter-skinned and wavy-haired. The riverine type was much shorter, stockier, less fine-featured, darker-skinned, and often had afro-textured hair due to admixture with freed slaves. The southern type was intermediate between the two in all measurements, with some individuals closer to the northern type and others nearer to the riverine type [138].
But this is all irrelevant because this study basically doesn't support your prior claims or the claims of the old academics you're sourcing. The majority of the Southern Somali samples cluster solidly in the "East Africa and Chad" cluster and show no pull toward the "West Africa" cluster and also don't even show noise levels of West Central-African/Bantu-speaker-related admixture in the ADMIXTURE chart. They just look like your typical pre-historic West-Eurasian + pre-historic East African mixture like Somalis in other studies and from commercial sources (I.e. 23andme.com). The only thing that seems a bit interesting about the samples with no West-Central-African/Bantu-speaker-related admixture is that some of them have a bit of a pull toward the West-Central Oromos in the PCA which might imply some Ari-like admixture/admixture from Borana Oromo-like people, something we've seen in the past. Otherwise, they seem really normal.
Somalized or Maayized former Bantu-speakers (some such as the Mushunguli preserved their languages until very recently) would basically be pseudo-assimilates within what is basically a confederacy between several linguistically diverse (Maay, Tunni, Jiddu, Garre etc.) Cushitic speaking populations, despite not being blood-related to them. I say pseudo-assimilates because this was more like a "patronage" type arrangement. The former Bantu-speaking folks in question, pejoratively called "Jareer" and "Adoon" by Somalis and other non-former-Bantu-speaker Rahanweyns, would essentially be protected by clans like the Geledi but would be labeled with words like "Sheegad" ("claimers" would be a rough translation) to point out that they are only members of the clan by name because of the historical importance of clan affiliations in Somali society (particularly in the hinterland) but they aren't, despite the Rahanweyn clan technically being a confederacy more than a kinship group, seen as members by blood or as equal to non "Jareer" clan members. Having children with them is then abhorred and does result in being ostracized, like unmixed people not being willing to marry one's mixed children. So, finding "Negroid" or "Negroid-influenced" Rahanweyns is not anything shocking. They were, in a way, historically a part of the clan and would, at times, be found living among non "Bantu" Cushitic speakers. But these people are in the minority and are not to be taken as examples of the majority of Rahanweyn clan members who do not seem physically distinct from Somalis of the 4 main clans or other Horn Africans (Oromos et al.) in general. The only non-Somali influence I have always suspected in non-Somali Bantu Rahanweyns is something perhaps Oromo-related which the linguistic data somewhat implies could be present. Even one of your links led to a dendrogram which pointed to an affinity between Oromos and the "Sab".
Nevertheless, Benadiris physically do tend to look like what these mixture proportions imply and it's been known for a long time that they're a mixture between Iranians, Arabs, Somalis and Southeast African Bantu people. Granted, a lot of them (not all) have, since the Civil War, been frantically claiming to be "pure" Arabs or "pure" Iranians or something to that effect, essentially going through identity crises.
Nevertheless, this study's data is contradicted by a mtDNA study from 2013 (see here and here). In this mtDNA study, they mixed a lot of ethnic Somalis in with what seem to have been Somali Bantus and Benadiris and there were very clearly mtDNA N/West Eurasian haplogroups unheard for Somalis (T2, J etc.) which correlates will with how the few Benadiri samples whose autosomal DNA I've seen have diverse Y-DNA markers like L1, J1, R1a and E-V32 with L1 & R1a generally being unheard for ethnic Somalis. Benadiris are not totally foreign to Somalia, that seems clear for the time being but they're definitely of substantial non-Horn African origins as well. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 08:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC) The above tome seems a tad off-topic and fervent. Anyway, I'll try and make this final reply brief and to the point. Whether or not the Sab are a descent group, they are in general linguistically, culturally, physically and genetically different from the northern Somalis. The non-anecdotal data is quite clear on this. Pretty much every phenotypic analysis on the Sab has found that they are markedly different from the northerners, in everything from their cephalic index to their nasal index to their stature. You are of course free to argue that these standard anthropometric indicators are "outdated" or whatever, but they have their value nonetheless. And these metrics show that the Sab are closer to Cushitic-influenced Nilotic and Bantu populations than they ought to be. The one-third of Sab individuals in the Triska analysis who appear to be partially Bantu probably do have such recent admixture, as I wrote. However, what you seem to overlook is the remaining so-called "pure" Sab, who appear little different from the Cushitic-admixed Samburu Nilotes (unlike the average northern Somali). This again suggests a deeper layer of foreign influence in that population. Also, I'm sorry if "Hamitic" grates, but it is a term of convenience that connects the native Afro-Asiatic speakers in Northeast Africa; these ancestral ties themselves are also real [139]. I'll finish by pointing out that every published mtDNA study on Somalis has been conducted on a national basis, and thus has included Sab individuals. The only study that hasn't and doesn't is Non (2010), which retyped Watson and Richards' Somali sample from Kenya (Richards indicates that their initial analysis was methodologically flawed, as it was conducted before haplogroup N had been identified [140]). Unsurprisingly, Non's ethnic Somali sample had markedly higher West Eurasian mtDNA than in the national samples that included the Sab individuals. 60% of individuals carried such clades, which included "weird" lineages like haplogroup H (the Benadiri are not alone in this regard) [141]. This only further underscores the atypical nature of the Sab community. As regards the Benadiri Y-DNA, if one inputs the STR values into one of the haplogroup predictors, they show a predominance of E1b1b lineages like other Somalis, but also a moderate frequency of J clades above the Somali norm [142]. Therefore, this does indeed appear to be an actual Benadiri paternal DNA profile. Although South Asian and other elements can be found in general Somali samples [143], it's actually the claims of the commercial genetic testing companies that are most doubtful. They freely admit as much too. On these tests, certain Nilotic populations like the Nuer appear to be almost purely "African" (and are thus sometimes used as proxy samples), yet in uniparental marker analyses, anywhere from 0%-40% of Nuer individuals actually carry Eurasian maternal lineages. Clearly, the situation is a lot more complicated and interesting than a simplistic West Eurasian-and-native-East African scenario. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 17:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Awale-Abdi, actually, there is no satisfactory ancestral designation for Somalis and related peoples. "Hamitic" is one such descriptor [156], but I see you prefer other designations on your blog. Anyway, since discussion of the Sab's phenotype and the genotype that produced it is supposedly off-topic here, and since acknowledgement of the Somali-Sab cleavage is apparently frowned upon among some of the citizenry [157], I'll focus on the actual hair form below. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 02:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
A third voice would be appreciated here: /info/en/?search=Talk:Barbara_(region) So please do try to chime in. I don't want to have to get an Admin involved so perhaps a non-Administrative third party chiming in will help out for now. Awale-Abdi ( talk) 09:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I see that you've now already begun to chime in. Thank you, :) Awale-Abdi ( talk) 21:56, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Greetings! Can you explain why Laitin indicates that the Sab nobles have different hair form from the lower castes? Shouldn't they have the same morphology? [158] Given this, what is your suggested phrasing? Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 19:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Let's assume that you are correct and that by xabash, Sab Laitin means Bantus specifically (though he doesn't specify this). The wording of the phrase would still be inaccurate since Mouton indicates essentially the same thing, albeit the distinction is now between the jileec (Somali) and jareer (Bantu) [160] [161]. Therefore, something like the following would be more accurate-- "Within Somali society, there exists a jileec and jareer caste dichotomy. The jileec are of ethnic Somali origin and are distinguished by straight-hair and a gracile build, whereas the jareer are believed to originate from the Great Lakes region and are distinguished by afro-textured hair and broad features." Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 02:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
You wrote above that "the distinction between "noble" and "Sab" is in reference to occupation, nomadic vs sedentary (i.e. farmers, blacksmiths, etc). It has nothing to do with "mixed origins"". That is what I was referring to there. Also, please note that removing my own comments is my prerogative per wiki policy. Anyway, I don't think you thoroughly read through the Ahad link. He notes that there is a non-Cushitic indigenous element within Sab society, and highlights numerous historical records establishing this. Thanks though for the fix on Afro. However, you appear to have made a typographical error, as it accidentally omitted the jileec vs. jareer distinction we discussed and the wording you recommended above. This is not a problem though, as I've fixed it. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 16:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
I wrote that the marked differences in hair form between the northern and southern groups were largely due to the riverine groups in the south mating with the local pre-Cushitic population, to which you replied that the distinction between "noble" and "Sab" was actually an allusion to nomadic vs sedentary occupation and had nothing to do with "mixed origins". The rest of my posts were intended to show that these differences were indeed ascribable to absorption of a pre-Cushitic population (which Ahad touches on). Hence, why I removed my own, apparently tangential comments as per WP:UP#GOALS. But if you feel that they are not tangential, that's fine by me. Anyway, the assertion on the Garre and Gaalje'el hairstyle actually appears to be from I. M. Lewis. He writes that the traditional coiffure of young herders from these southern clans is "distinctive" i.e., uncommon and particular to them [172] [173]. The barbaar here is also a young farming group; that is, native to the agricultural areas in the south [174]. Further, that work describes "hard hair" as atypical among the nobles [175]. Point taken, though, about the hairstyle vs. hair texture. Since the Garre and Gaalje'el hairstyle is generally uncommon among the pastoral nomads whereas it is comon among the young agriculturalists, I think therefore it should be phrased as: "In Somalia, young sedentary farmers would grow their hair long and carefully comb it into rather large bushes, which they would then hold in place with ghee [176]. This elaborate hairstyle was quite distinct from that of the pastoral nomads, who would instead grow long and fluff out their fine, straight hair and place a chewing stick and comb in the center. [177]" Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 04:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Greetings! A user has been appending genealogies on Darod and Isaaq from one Mohamed Eno, a Bantu-centered advocate of the " Afropolitanism" [187]. Eno claims the opposite of what you and Awale-Abdi indicated above. That is, he insists that Bantus are the autochthones of Somalia rather than later arrivals and writes from that "Afropolitan" perspective, contrary to WP:NOTADVOCATE. Some WP:REDFLAG genealogies from Richard Burton were also appended, although John Walter Gregory indicates that they are caricatured and based on atypical Somalis [188]. Further, the user removed apparently legitimate genealogies collected by the British Somaliland government, which record the tradition that a Ram Nag was the patriarch of the Dir clan. Could you please provide clarification on this here? Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC) Nomination of Big Smoke Burger for deletionThe article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Smoke Burger (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. DGG ( talk ) 07:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC) The Mediation Committee has received a request for formal mediation of the dispute relating to "Eritrea's geographical naming". As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. Mediation is a voluntary process which resolves a dispute over article content by facilitation, consensus-building, and compromise among the involved editors. After reviewing the request page, the formal mediation policy, and the guide to formal mediation, please indicate in the "party agreement" section whether you agree to participate. Because requests must be responded to by the Mediation Committee within seven days, please respond to the request by 3 September 2016. Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page. Thank you. The request for formal mediation concerning Eritrea's geographical naming, to which you were listed as a party, has been declined. To read an explanation by the Mediation Committee for the rejection of this request, see the mediation request page, which will be deleted by an administrator after a reasonable time. Please direct questions relating to this request to the Chairman of the Committee, or to the mailing list. For more information on forms of dispute resolution, other than formal mediation, that are available, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. For the Mediation Committee,
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One thing i find interesting is that richard and a bunch of the confirmed socks started editing around september, october or november, regardless of the year, it is still significant, you may want to add an important side note on that if you feel that this information is valuable. Iazyges ( talk) 03:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC) Greetings! A user has appended some clan stratification stuff, similar to that which you removed earlier but far less accurate [189]. It indicates among other things that the Sab/Rahanweyn constitute the lower servile strata. When you read this, please fix this. Kind regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 22:49, 14 November 2016 (UTC) I'd like to see you chime in as well. -- Awale-Abdi ( talk) 18:26, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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Are you aware of any pre-Islamic graves in northern Somalia? Have they been linked to Somalis? If not, then what communities? Thank you for your time. AcidSnow ( talk) 03:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, genetics do not suggest a northward movement from southern Ethiopia, especially within the speculated epoch (~2,000 years ago). Any such migration would had to have taken place several millenia before that since the Afroasiatic speakers in that vicinity generally do not share the same E1b1b paternal subclade as those to the north in the Horn. They instead bear the V12/E3b1a1 subhaplogroup [193], whereas the V32 subclade is dominant toward the north, including among Beja inhabiting the Nile Valley. Since the basal V12* is most common in Upper Egypt, ancient southward demic diffusion appears more likely. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 04:50, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
The Garreh(e) also apparently claim Oromo ancestry. However, their V12 paternal subclade and language suggest that they are descended from a distinct Afroasiatic-speaking population. Also, their maternal haplogroup profile is rather different from that of Oromos, Afars, Somalis etc.. It only appears to be similar in the Hirbo analysis because the latter borrowed its mtDNA frequencies from Watson and Richards et al., who overestimated their macrohaplogroup L frequencies according to Richards [194]. Luckily, though, Non resampled the Watson and Richards series, and has presented the correct haplogroup frequencies (~60% M and N sublineages on average [195]). Watson and Richards also messed up the Tuareg's mtDNA frequencies, making it appear as if Tuareg individuals are largely haplogroup L3 carriers, when in fact we now know that H1 is the primary Tuareg maternal clade. Anyway, the presence of the paternal haplogroup J among the Boni is quite interesting, isn't it? What do you make of the ~52% of J among the Omotic-speaking Shekecho who inhabit southern Ethiopia? That is almost twice the usual J frequencies found among neighboring Ethiopian Semitic-speaking populations. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 05:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
That mtDNA is for the main northern Afroasiatic-speaking populations in the Horn. I linked you to it because you suggested that the southern Garreh(e) have only slightly different mtDNA percentages. The table's frequencies are divided into Eurasia-centered M and N sublineages, and Africa-centered macrohaplogroup L derivatives (the latter of which are labeled L(xM,N)). These total 100, with M1 and M1a1 counted as subclades of M. The Garreh(e) indeed have the typical E1b1b-V12 paternal subclade of the Gabbra and other southern East Cushitic speakers. However, V12 is generally not found among the more northerly Afroasiatic-speaking populations, whether Cushitic or Semitic speakers. The E1b1b subclades that the northerners instead primarily carry are V32 (among Tigre, Oromos, Somalis, Beja, Amhara, Tigrinya), V6 (among Afars), and V22 (among Saho). Also, please note that the Garreh(e) possess the generic E1b1b-V12 subclade. The basal/ancestral V12* subclade is primarily restricted to Upper Egypt, where it is believed to have originated and spread from. I'm not sure about the paternal haplogroup J, though. Kind Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC) Hello, AcidSnow. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC) Hello, AcidSnow. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 2 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC) Hello, AcidSnow. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC) Hello, I was wondering if you could provide consensus, on the page, Dilla Massacre, you are a well known editor in Somali pages and I was wondering if you could provide your input. The discussion continues in the talk page. Here is the page /info/en/?search=Dilla_Massacre Aqooni ( talk) 04:56, 5 June 2019 (UTC) Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. -- B-bot ( talk) 17:25, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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