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Cedar Creek's a nice article.. it's well researched and is close to GA. You've done great with it so far! Ealdgyth ( talk) 21:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Replied with a little of the information that I will be posting. Donner60 ( talk) 03:13, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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Would you have any interest in doing the GA review for Battle of Front Royal? I know you're familiar with that theater of the war, and it would be nice to have someone familiar with the material look it over since I'm much more familiar with the fighting in Missouri and Arkansas than in Virginia. Hog Farm Talk 00:32, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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I have made the change to May 26, 1865 as the end if the war date, supported by comprehensive footnotes in the text and even additions to my talk page threads. I also made additions and changes to the End of the War section to cover all the major events at the end of the war, and prevent any objections based on them not being mentioned or being misinterpreted. Even if a little long for a section, I think it is not too long and in fact is necessary. No objections or attempted substantive changes have been made for 10 days so I think the changes and additions will hold. I probably won't revisit that article for a long time, if ever. I have had a severe leg muscle injury, and added to other real life matters, I may not be online much for a few weeks but I will not have gone inactive if I am not seen around much for a while. Donner60 ( talk) 11:04, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
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I'll try to take a look this coming week Hog Farm Talk 21:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I got a copy of Daniel for $3 at a local charity sale today so I can consult him directly now. Hog Farm Talk 00:30, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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Just wanted to let you know that the only reason I haven't reviewed this one is because I did the informal peer review and think it would be best for another editor to take the GA review. It does pain me to watch it sit around unreviewed, though. Hog Farm Talk 17:15, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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hey, I'm gonna Pass Shiloh. Some of the writing is a little weak. You might wanna get a copy editor on it if you're headed for FAC. Congrats! § Lingzhi ( talk) 02:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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(Thanks to Alan Liefting)
So, to get your precious Good Article rating, you just removed the material I added to the article, without ever asking me if I had sources for it, which I did. You sacrificed improvements to the article to get your little award - what a GREAT way to serve our readers! I hope you're pleased with yourself. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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Would you be willing to look over Battle of Clark's Mill against the B-class criteria? I just destubbed it, and it turned out to be a more frustrating process than I expected. The Confederates of course didn't leave reports, and while the Official Records contain four Union reports, only one of the four is by someone at the battle, and they make outlandish claims of Confederate casualties. Even my collection of obscure Ozarks Civil War literature doesn't shed much light on this; I'm surprised the CWSAC considered this one of the 384 most important battles. I know of (by reputation, not by sight) of a locally-published 200-page (!) book about the battle and town of Vera Cruz from the 80s or 90s, but I think the odds of it meeting RS standards are fairly low. Personally, I don't think this is really GAN-able, but at least it ain't a stub. Hog Farm Talk 05:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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On 3 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Shiloh, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that at the time, the Battle of Shiloh was the largest battle fought in the United States, with nearly 24,000 casualties? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Shiloh. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Battle of Shiloh), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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On 20 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that by September 29, 1864, the 23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion only had 78 enlisted men present for duty? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, 23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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In the past, the whole work of the ORs has pretty much always been cited, either as Official Records [date] or by using the editors of the overall series. I've started to wonder though, if it would be more informative to cite the individual reports/correspondence/etc in a book directly, like we would in a book with multiple chapters by different authors.
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Somando did not contact me. No further comment needed on that. In the Staff Ride source, the reported Confederate casualty figure is admittedly an underestimate. The strengths as of May 31 are not accepted by historians because they probably changed and the Confederates no doubt had more than the low estimate now inserted. In fact, the Confederates often did not count officers. When I think to get a source or two on that, I will put both changes into one or two footnotes explaining where they come from and why they are suspect. I should be able to prevent any blowback by doing it this way, although I would prefer just to delete them. Thanks for bringing this up. Donner60 ( talk) 03:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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I have made the change to May 26, 1865 as the end if the war date, supported by comprehensive footnotes in the text and even additions to my talk page threads. I also made additions and changes to the End of the War section to cover all the major events at the end of the war, and prevent any objections based on them not being mentioned or being misinterpreted. Even if a little long for a section, I think it is not too long and in fact is necessary. No objections or attempted substantive changes have been made for 10 days so I think the changes and additions will hold. I probably won't revisit that article for a long time, if ever. I have had a severe leg muscle injury, and added to other real life matters, I may not be online much for a few weeks but I will not have gone inactive if I am not seen around much for a while. Donner60 ( talk) 11:04, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
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hey, I'm gonna Pass Shiloh. Some of the writing is a little weak. You might wanna get a copy editor on it if you're headed for FAC. Congrats! § Lingzhi ( talk) 02:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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(Thanks to Alan Liefting)
So, to get your precious Good Article rating, you just removed the material I added to the article, without ever asking me if I had sources for it, which I did. You sacrificed improvements to the article to get your little award - what a GREAT way to serve our readers! I hope you're pleased with yourself. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Keep this on your page to remind yourself what our purpose here is - and just to give you a clue, it ain't collecting ribbons. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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Would you be willing to look over Battle of Clark's Mill against the B-class criteria? I just destubbed it, and it turned out to be a more frustrating process than I expected. The Confederates of course didn't leave reports, and while the Official Records contain four Union reports, only one of the four is by someone at the battle, and they make outlandish claims of Confederate casualties. Even my collection of obscure Ozarks Civil War literature doesn't shed much light on this; I'm surprised the CWSAC considered this one of the 384 most important battles. I know of (by reputation, not by sight) of a locally-published 200-page (!) book about the battle and town of Vera Cruz from the 80s or 90s, but I think the odds of it meeting RS standards are fairly low. Personally, I don't think this is really GAN-able, but at least it ain't a stub. Hog Farm Talk 05:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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On 20 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that by September 29, 1864, the 23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion only had 78 enlisted men present for duty? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, 23rd Virginia Infantry Battalion), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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In the past, the whole work of the ORs has pretty much always been cited, either as Official Records [date] or by using the editors of the overall series. I've started to wonder though, if it would be more informative to cite the individual reports/correspondence/etc in a book directly, like we would in a book with multiple chapters by different authors.
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Somando did not contact me. No further comment needed on that. In the Staff Ride source, the reported Confederate casualty figure is admittedly an underestimate. The strengths as of May 31 are not accepted by historians because they probably changed and the Confederates no doubt had more than the low estimate now inserted. In fact, the Confederates often did not count officers. When I think to get a source or two on that, I will put both changes into one or two footnotes explaining where they come from and why they are suspect. I should be able to prevent any blowback by doing it this way, although I would prefer just to delete them. Thanks for bringing this up. Donner60 ( talk) 03:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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