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...... Densock .. Talk( Dendodge on a public network) 11:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
In the listing about Murray the K, you posted an image of a concert CD that is a bootleg of a legitimate album release. That CD was created from the album whose soundtrack was provided to a UK firm that produced the disk overseas, out of US jurisdiction. I'd be grateful if you'd remove the CD image or replace it with an image of the album, which I'll gladly provide to you. The same firm that hijacked the CD -- Live Gold Productions, which is also known as Lady Goose -- copied and is currently selling a bootlegged version of Murray's 1965 television special, the mention of which has been deleted from the listing. MKArchives ( talk) 21:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I reverted your
Tim Russert edit summarized "since when do only journalists' reactions count? This was part of the merge", since it's on a BLP and the edit was much wider ranging than the summary. I presume it was just an error of forgetting to finish the summary, but the vandalism rate has been so high that i think it needs an admission of wider scope before going unchallenged. I trust you'll understand my response.
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Tvoz, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 ( talk) 03:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC) |
A special thank you to you, Tvoz, for your kind words on my RfA page. They truly mean a lot! -- Happyme22 ( talk) 03:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the start of a disambiguation for Alun Davies. I'm not sure how to do it. Matter of fact, being fairly new to wikipedia and computers, (although not academia) I was wondering if you'd answer some newbie questions for me from time to time? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 00:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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User talk:Tvoz/Issue-nav...... Densock .. Talk( Dendodge on a public network) 10:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Tvoz -- I was thinking maybe you could use a wee bit of a distraction from the Obama Wars. (heh heh) So anyway, I was poking around in the new AFD listings, and came across a somewhat familiar name: Ward Morehouse (activist), co-founder of POCLAD. It's just a tiny little stub at the moment, and the issue (of course) is WP:NOTE. Well, I turned up some op-eds he wrote for the NYT, and then I found a book review where he's described as a long-time denizen of Croton-on-Hudson. So I thought, hey, Tvoz might take an interest in this, seeing as the guy's a fellow Westchesterian -- is that the proper adjective? :) Take care, Cgingold ( talk) 08:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
You'd said of the Edwards / National Enquirer issue: "We're supposed to weigh the relative importance of the dozens of news items - when they are even legitimate news items which I personally do not think this one is as of now - and determine if it belongs in the article and if including it doesn't give too much weight to it in the context of his life."
Would you apply the same standard to the page of <a href=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibson_%28media_host%29">John Gibson</a>? His page is weighed down by the opinions of Media Matters (hardly non-biased, and definitely not a reliable source), and the opinions of his political opponents and competitors. But no news. Just highly partisan blogs and highly partisan editorializing.
If your quote, which I cited above, is to be taken seriously, then you may want to step in on the page for Gibson, where it's turned into little more than a nit-picking criticism of a media personality. His alleged controversies were not newsworthy as they never even made news.
So please, do step up. It's your chance to demonstrate what's good for John Edwards is also good for John Gibson. Thank you. Ynot4tony2 ( talk) 18:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
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Just saw this: considering the tenor of those discussions I'm not too sure about this, but thank you. Tvoz/ talk 23:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, archive notices go above the TOC when they are ready. Not necessarily when they're being prepared in a section marked as being temporary. A section which was created to avoid having people editing the entire article and causing edit conflicts during the setup. -- SEWilco ( talk) 02:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Don't bother feeding the trolls, especially in a public forum. I noticed someone once commented you on fighting the good fight... glad to see there are other editors who do so. I've learned that sometimes it's not possible to have meaningful debate with people who would rather serve an agenda than consult applicable policy. By all means don't let them wear you out, and keep up the good fight! For a good laugh check out this thread. Cheers! / Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
HI- I know virtually no one in wikipedia, so I'm hoping you will help with this. The more I put any energy into the Cat Stevens article, and the song pages, the more I'm convinced that one must be created for Alun Davies. However, the name as you know, is shared by two others- the now-dead Canadian bassist, (who has no page), and the Welsh politician (who does). Would you help me begin to create one for Alun Davies the guitarist? Normally I wouldn't feel so at odds, but since this requires a disambiguation page (don't know how to do that) and the start of a page with the same name as another! (am baffled at the entire idea!) I am hoping for your help? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 20:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
If you agree the The should be uppercase, could you sign your name here? Thanks, -- andreasegde ( talk) 19:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
HAR! Meant it metaphorically. I was born in Nov. 1959 so yes, I had the vinyl of all from Mona Bone Jakon to Buddha- but sold it at age 16 when I was a student at the University of Maryland. (Yeah, I started there at 15, but not because I was terribly smart, just precocious and manipulative!) However, after my early twenties, I did a disappearing act, and only learned to use a computer at ALL (cant understate that enough, didn't even know how to TYPE) until say, 6 years ago. THAT is what I meant about being someone's mom, theoretically with this wikipedia. I'm like a virtual dinosaur. OTOH, YOU could give this smart-ass graduate school genious types a run for their money! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 04:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, bless you, I've added photos to both Derek Trucks and Susan Tedeschi; however, the second one has still given me problems. The photo I added (Susan Tedeschi, 2007), should really be in the info box, instead of an album cover, but I can't seem to get it in there, despite your suggestions. Would you give it a try? I'll be indebted, yet again.. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 22:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
We need to block I.P. address 137.242.1.50. This user has vandalized 23 times, yet hasen't been blocked. most vandals are blocked after they vandalize 4 or 5 times, not 23. so, let's block this anonoymus user.-- Master of Pies ( talk) 19:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I have decided I am not going to be adopted. -- Master of Pies ( talk) 21:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Here (and also, if possible, here?) Justmeherenow ( ) 05:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Your edits to the Clinton page WERE TOTALLY UNACCPTABLE. The Capitol Hill Blue is a very reliable resource. Read the website's policy for yourself. KEEP YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS ABOUT RELIABLE RESOURCES TO YOURSELF, OR I WILL REPORT YOU. Kevin j ( talk) 16:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)(posted this same statementyesterday, but some user erased it for ridiculous accusations that I was intending harrashment. This is not the exact time I posted it)
The Capitol Hill Blue is very reliable. KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF AND RESPECT THE NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW POLICY. You've already confessed you're a "Nancy Reagan Warrior." Just so you know, WIKIPEDIA IS NOT THE PLACE FOR POLITICAL PROPAGANDA OF ANY SORT. Just good amount of Barnstars you have received from other editors, you still don't get any special privileges at all. Also, I'M NOT CAPITALIZING MY STATEMENTS OUT OF RAGE, BUT RATHER AS A FORM OF HIGHLIGHTING. I don't mean to be uncivil in anyway, and I will put the Clinton facts about Sally Perdue back on by tommorrow. Also, I HAVE ALREADY REQUESTED YOU GET BLOCKED FOR VIOLATING THE GOOD FAITH POLICY. Kevin j ( talk) 15:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)( talk) 01:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, I have dedicided to Italics instead of capital letters, so don't use them to present any bogus evidence that I am acting uncivil. The edits you made to the Bill Clinton page were completely in bad faith. Capitol Hill Blue is a very reliable resource, and has many good debates on various issues. The motto it has about the mainstream media in the website's motto are only an advertisement. The news media has been accussed of being bias by various parties, and Capital Hill Blue is only trying to use those accusations to draw readers to the website. It's really no different than either CNN's "Most Trusted Name In News" or Fox News's "Fair and Balanced mottos. Nothing I have added violates the Bigraphies of Living Person's policy either. Keep your opinions to yourself, or I will continue to have you noted for violating both the neutral point of view and good faith policies
Trust me, you will be blocked if it continues. Kevin j ( talk) 18:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Please do not stop removing unreferenced controversial biographical content from articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at
Bill Clinton. Content of this nature could be regarded as
defamatory and is in violation of
Wikipedia policy. If the top of your head flips up and your brain flops out onto the keyboard, or your hands are spontaneously possessed by
the devil, resulting in a complete reversal of your past behaviour regarding this policy, you will be
blocked from editing Wikipedia. Regards,
SHEFFIELDSTEEL
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[out] Well, serves me right for taking a day off from this playground - Sheffield, I'm literally laughing out loud. and will certainly take your warning to heart. Barneca, thanks for the pointer and your defense at the AN - I almost missed the whole thing. Pleasantville, thanks for keeping an eye out. But Kevin - words can't express my joy at receiving your various missives here and on the admin noticeboard, and elsewhere. You have made it into my hall of fame - yes, I am a proud Nancy Reagan warrior, as she so needs an army to defend her honor. And your logic in saying I'm obviously a loyal Republican as evidenced by my removing unreliably sourced negative material about Bill Clinton? Yeah, that's the ticket. Chill out, and enjoy your week block - better yet, use it to understand basic Wikipedia policy. I did nothing in bad faith, the source you used is utterly unreliable, and you added unsubstantiated negative material about a living person. I'd remove it from anyone's page that I came across. Further, your comments about me are not only uninformed - I am not male, for example - but they are harassment. Learn how to respectfully disagree before making a return appearance on my talk page, please. Tvoz/ talk 03:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeek. Ok, I'm on this now. Depending on finding, I may take this further, as you can imagine. Can I share your message if it becomes necessary? - Alison ❤ 05:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
*ding* You have mail. :) -- Bobblehead (rants) 18:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I knew the Trivia section was wrong, but felt the award deserved mention somewhere, so thanks! Now for more questions: 1)Do you know anyone who works in Wikimedia Commons who can explain how things there work best? I'm recruiting folks willing to allow us use of their personal pics for a number of people who are missing them on their pages. I'll make a list of them on MY page, OK? 2)I know the CITE refs are probably preferable, to the other kind, but often, no name is used in some articles from major publications. How to standardize the reference sections (esp Cat Stevens?) ps- I AM looking to replace the video sources. Is there ever any way to really reference a video interview acceptably to eventually 3) Do you know how to make those tables showing top hits (as in some of the album pages, or the Dixie Chicks band page in the UK and the USA? How? (I need help getting started w/Alun Davies in that manner- planned to move HIS albums to album pages, etc. but is there more?) Pls see talk page for Davies 3) How can we merge the references best? 4) Do the Yusuf's Cafe sessions qualify as an album? Thanks for your input -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 16:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Jonesing? -- Scjessey ( talk) 16:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Since we are apparently "known friends", I thought it would be impolite not to introduce myself and say hi. MastCell Talk 21:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello Tvoz. I appreciate your comments you made on the Cat Stevens main article about the need for immmediate sourcing of controversial material. You were right. I think that we should be very very careful, maybe even going beyond the letter of the laws and policies of wiki and state numerous sources , because of Cat Stevens libel cases. I have now listed the numerous sources on the discussion page but you have not made any comments since then. I have read as many of your commments and edits as I can and I have found them to incredibly instructive, fair, and positive in tone. Since you are a very experienced and I feel a balanced editor is there any way you can guide us now on how to include a small section or comment on Cat Steven's openly writing anti- Jewish, anti-Israel comments for Hamas front groups, and then donations to Hamas front groups. I conducted a full google, lexisnexis, galileo search of material on Cat Stevens for the last 10 years and he has made mostly negative statements about Israel and Jews with one positive comment where he quotes from the Koran. Also, he does not ever deny his support of Hamas, he just says that he only supports their charity "branches" and not their political wings. The U.S. and Canada, and Israel, among others, of course do not such make fine distinctions and have documented how the charity groups serve to funnel money to terrorists. This is why several of those groups that Cat Stevens have funded have been subsequently shut down as terrorist front organizations. Also, several articles have argued that Cat Stevens might be trying to moderate his own views, and also could be either willfully blind about the nature of the charities he has supported or even naive. I understand that to keep the main article balanced there should only be a small section in it and that it might end up branching, just like the Rushdie event. I have not added anything to the Cat Stevens article because I am a newbie and I have learned that "there is no rush to publish." Any general or even better specific help in structuring this information so that it meets Wiki standards would be welcomed. Thanks again. aharon42 ( talk) 16:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
tvoz. Please note that I corrected my myself and said that you had properly guided me on how to handle the wiki policies. I put it at the end of the section because I thought that is what we are supposed to do, not adding comments in the middle. I still do have questions about it, which I also noted at the end of the section but I will pay heed to your superior experience in these issues. aharon42 ( talk) 18:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I have read both articles on Cat stevens and I have also read all of the archives. That's why I was so impressed with your consistent editing style, even when I disagreed with a couple of your conclusions. When you have time its these gray areas that I want to explore further. Most salient for me is when the correct NPOV is negative because that is truely the objective description of the action or person, ie Ted Bundy, Hitler, or George Bush's oratorical skills (not him as a president) It would not be NPOV to give equal weight to some kind of "on the other hand, Hitler denied ever living in Germany, or George Bush maintains he is a great speaker." The article should reflect the weight of evidence and not just be a he said, she said, debate, especially if one of them can be clearly shown to be lying. Specifically there is a huge amount of evidence that Cat Stevens donated money to Hamas front groups, spoke at their meetings and conventions, wrote anti-semitic tracts, it is wrong to give his evasive responses equal weight to the actual evidence. His responses should be mentioned, just like if Ted Bundy denied ever murdering anyone (which I think he did, got to look that up on WP!)but the overall article perspective should not reflect his claims of innocence, since they are demonstrably false. I know you are busy so maybe we could move forward on this in a week or two. (But I am not waiting untill the elections are concluded..)With respect aharon42 ( talk) 19:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
A user has posted about you on WP:ANI Exxolon ( talk) 15:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed this edit of yours. Perhaps you were unaware that there is an ongoing talk page discussion about the matter? [2] The material that you reinserted does not have an NPOV and is very misleading. It suggests that every time anyone spoke to Monegan about Wooten, there was pressure applied. Palin admits that that occurred only once, not 24 times. Ferrylodge ( talk) 01:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I share your... what's the word? bemusement? ... at the remarkable metamorphosis in some editors' approach to WP:BLP. It seems like only last month that a number of editors were arguing that the National Enquirer was an appropriate source for a BLP, and that rumors there demanded inclusion on Wikipedia or else zOMG LIBERALZZ CENSORSHIP!!1!!1! I thought at the time that this sort of argument was, aside from its obvious fundamental flaws, deeply short-sighted.
Sure enough, the Enquirer shifts their focus to Sarah Palin, prints more rumors which are noted (but not supported) in the mainstream media, and... well, you know the rest. I'm actually pretty bothered by the moral flexibility and newfound sanctimonious zeal for WP:BLP on display in some quarters, but better late than never I guess. Besides, there's probably nothing constructive to come out of belaboring this particular display, other than to note it for future reference re: the credibility of a handful of folks. MastCell Talk 19:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
As I recall, the full name was duplicated in the "Early life and career" section to avoid having to cite it in the introduction. If it stays like this, that reference will have to be moved up as well. -- Scjessey ( talk) 21:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
If you want a change of pace from Palinsanity, I've finished for now my big expansion of Geraldine Ferraro (which presumably is getting a readership spike these days). Edits and/or comments are welcome, from the important (did I leave out any big developments or famous incidents? is it an interesting and fair portrayal?) to the routine (awful prose in places, I bet – I'm weary of looking at it). I know you did some cleanup work on this back during the spring, and you may have a feel for some of the material involved ... somehow I don't remember her two Senate primary races as well as I should ... Wasted Time R ( talk) 03:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey! I was wondering if you'd help me with the uploading of the 3 album covers from Alun Davies (1963-1972). All are shrunk down so if you click them, they're slightly larger but still small enough to justify using, I *think*. They appear on Majicat.com; click them to the approximate size we use in album infoboxes. They are here- [3] I just have gone crazy trying to figure out how to UPLOAD them to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons is HARD! Commons suggests uploading the photo to the as-yet uncreated page first before starting the pages, so I hoped you'd figure out what suits you best, and maybe help me? Can you begin to start the pages for Davies' 3 albums (there might be 4, but that's another issue). Of them, Daydo, (1972) has the most information, --lots of it, actually, and that would be the best one to start. Puleeze will you help with this? The covers I think would be acceptable since they were shrunken so small. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 01:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I got your email and responded. I've reinserted the material, and I am very willing to discuss it further at the talk page (which is all in the email... I'm getting ahead of myself :-) My best as always, Happyme22 ( talk) 04:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, but I've started pages a couple of times.. it's just the photo thing. Can you suggest ANYONE who might know about it? Or who is in the album cover group, and that's their "thing"? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 22:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
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Seeing you just archived most of the page, have previously edited the article as well as the talk page, and am a prominent Obama editor would you mind weighing in on the debate I have accidentally caused over whether Lolo Soetoro is to be categorised as an Indonesian Muslim? I'm wary of that all my policy arguments and attempts at neutrality have fallen on deaf ears as the other editor in the dispute seems to have made the assumption I am anti-Obama and am just trying to smear him through association with Islam and thus anything I say is suspect. 04:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lid ( talk • contribs)
I copied references when I knew they were the same- usually when people use Yusuf's website, either the Lifeline, or the Biography one. This is for several reasons: 1- I worry that I'll use a ref, name it, etc, only to find someone else used a different name for the same reference, making it confusing. 2- We really need to form a work group! We need a consensus on whether to use CITE or the old way (ref name= "name") style. I vote for the second one, b/c it really puzzles me as to shortening the vast variety of ways people can CITE refs- whether from the web, videos, whatever. The older way is simpler, IMHO. The Islamic workgroup I'm part of here only use that, and they have a whole bunch of GA and FA articles because of it. 3- Last, when I'm exhausted but have insomnia, I'm scared I'll mess up a reference trying to shorten it. If that's what you're talking about, like ref name"John/" I know how, but was trying to respond quickly to all of the citation needed spots that the bot pointed out in the early parts of the article. BTW, which quotes are you referring to? The one in the Tuberculosis section about seeing people dying I referenced. I have no idea where the "Uncle Hugo, a painter" visit came from, it's from someone long ago, old.
One last thing-- the Cat Stevens Fansite has a link to an extensive site in German, and I asked a friend, Editor: Krautmaster, to look through it and lend a hand, since German is his primary language, though he's fluent in English. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 23:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know why you didn't notice it, but 2 days ago, I began using the date on Yusuf's Lifeline, also. (shrug) No offense intended, but you amaze me -seeing some things but missing others. I believe if you and I work together, we can make this a really powerful article. As for depending too much on Yusuf's site, when I was working on John Frusciante, before I registered a name here, with an ISP instead, we used the same blogs from the members of the Red Hot Chili Peppers' members for the band page and the individuals' pages and so forth continuously, and there were no complaints- in fact, the article went from GA to FA status really quickly! As to this one, I'm going over information regarding song and album pages, and more on Yusuf Islam. We need photos badly. Problem: many Muslims don't believe in photos- it's a long story but I'm not one of them, it just means fewer fans will provide GFDL photos. Let's try searching Flickr for some taken recently, at least. I badly want one for Davies, too- AND his D.O.B! There are all kinds of sources of articles for Stevens/Islam; in fact, I was afraid we'd have too many! I can do a lot of the grunt work if you're willing to fine tune, and explain how to REALLY use CITE, because I feel pretty doleful about it, even now. If you get bored, the Derek Trucks and The Derek Trucks Band (two great examples of the articles I begged for on Flickr along with many others like Leo Kottke) --IOW, anything with Derek Trucks and his band can use help!! I kinda alternate, so I don't lose interest entirely. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 00:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
PS- where is there a banner for rewrite and wikification of an article? See Ron Holloway- that's a famous sax player I actually met and knew in the 1970s.. but look at the page, please! OMG. What a sight. How nobody saw it before me is beyond me. And he's playing with Susan Tedeschi! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 09:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, can you have a look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Help needed with Aaron Sorkin and then examine the edits in question? There's an Obama connection in there somehow, and the edits seem politically motivated, and I'm wondering if you are able to generate evidence sufficient for a familiar checkuser. I left a note for Bobblehead as well. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 04:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
←Not on my talk page please. And "not a flattering article" is not a criterion here. Tvoz/ talk 08:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
That section was a complete mess before you took a hatchet to it. Actually, it would have been perfect if we were writing an article for People magazine, which I'm fairly certain she has never read. A ni Mate 07:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Tvoz- Nice work on the Palin 'reception' section. I would appreciate your opinion on my comments on the 'Political Positions' section: [ [4]] Thanks, IP75 75.25.28.167 ( talk) 18:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Back atcha :) - Alison ❤ 02:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz-- can you tell me how to archive my talk page? I'm clueless. In addition, though I know it's not your favorite page, Derek Trucks originally had The Derek Trucks Band on his page. Problem is, it was called the Derek Trucks Band, and was also kept on his page, since it was salted and removed. NOW, since the two are separated, if someone puts "The" before the name of the band, as in my first example, it goes to the new page. But if they just put "Derek Trucks Band", it still goes to his page. Can you help me figure out how to stop this? There should be only a Derek Trucks page, and a The Derek Trucks Band page. Thanks. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 04:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Another question, I have SO many edits, since I'm paranoid of having my editing sessions last to long and either being unable to save what I've edited, OR, finding another user is editing the same page, and being unable to save my work. I have hundreds of edits as a result. I know I can go to the "Earliest" edits, etc. but wonder if people have a way to put them someplace, too. I spend an average of 9 hours a day doing stuff on wikipedia, esp. since I get bored with one page for a couple of days, and just surf through the wikipedia fixing obvious things, you know, WikiGnome style. That way I can get a fresh perspective on the pages I'm working on after a day or two. Thanks for noticing. Once I learn something, I'm OK, but I'm still trying to figure out how to upload shrunken album covers for album pages to Wikimedia, as well, and I'm UTTERLY PERPLEXED! I might just be too much of a dingbat for all of this I'm so frustrated. Ready to hang up the whole wiki thing, since instructions- I'm dyslexic too, really make it hard. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 06:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting this obvious attempt (at Palin) to slur and use guilt by association.-- Buster7 ( talk) 05:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Are you the one that changed the last name of Stevens on the Cat Stevens/ Yusuf Islam page to Georgiou? Someone did that at the beginning of the page, at least. Nearly nobody knows Cat Stevens by Steven Georgiou. I think it should be Stevens and then Islam after conversion. I STRONGLY feel this.
Finally, HOW IN HELL can we pull the "See Folk Music" out of the side template on Cat Stevens?? I see no reason to have it there! Maybe for Pete Seeger, but Stevens' music, while influenced by folk music, was still an emerging genre, of folk rock, and so it peeves me to see that on the page. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 06:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Soz, mate, I had already answered to your message some weeks ago directly on Cat Stevens' discussion page, I thought you'd peep in and so on... It's the very first time I'm using the "talk" page, so sorry again, mate. Well, if you visit the Wikipedia.en article about the Swedish town of Gavle you'll find out that Stephen's mother (BTW, his actual name is StePHen Demetre Georgiou, not SteVen, I've been a long term member of Yusuf's fan site Majicat, I know it for sure)... where was I? Okay, well, Stephen's mum was called Ingrid Wickman and hailed from Gavle, that's what Wikipedia itself says, and that's how I found it, to be honest. It was only after this that I started discussing it into the fan site, and I was redirected to loads of newspaper old articles where Cat Stevens' Swedish roots were well explained: one of them, I actually can't remember which one, spoke about this monthly residence in Sweden right after Yusuf's parents' divorce: he followed his mum to Gavle and studied there for some months, before coming back to London to work in his dad's restaurant. While in Sweden, his uncle Hugo heavily influenced him artistically speaking, and that's where Stephen developed his drawing skills. In fact, Cat Stevens himself is the author of his first album covers. Now: I have a strong belief I read all this in a Melody Maker article from 1972, which is still available on the Majicat site, but even though that might not be the magazine, I'll certainly find out which one was discussing Cat's Swedish life, because all of these articles are still available on the Majicat site. I could obviously get there and try and obtain the document requested, and finally quote it. I'll do it as soon as possible, promised. -- Gianmaria Framarin ( talk) 22:53, 8 October 2008 (GMT)
Tvoz, the Georgiou name is the only issue in which I disagree with you. There are TONS of people-- see the barnstar article, Flea, and there's a ton more, like The Edge and Freddie Mercury, just off the top of my head. As long as the original name is listed right next to the stage name is documented, I think Stevens is perfectly fine, since people don't go looking for "Steven Georgiou". It's confusing enough that his name was Georgiou, then Cat Stevens, then Yusuf Islam, and now Yusuf. Please, put the name back to Stevens. Quote what you wish about how and why he has these names, but please keep it the way it was. See, if you want, the way I handled the transition of Marha to Martie Maguire. Please reconsider: you are the the only one who feels this must be changed!!
Thanks for removing the folk music part of the side template on Stevens' I couldn't figure out how to get the damned template open, even clicking edit!! RE: archiving, I want to archive every single message on my talk page, leaving only the big green template with all the cool little references of short abbreviated links to places in the wikipedia to use. Its a large green template, saying WELCOME. Otherwise, the rest needs archiving-- everything else on my talk page. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 23:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the archive. Seems to me, when Wikipedia gives instructions on how to do something, it appears like they give you 5 options, and then tell you option 2 is preferable to options 1-5 minus number 2, and sheeeet! It's like trying to learn calculus from someone who doesn't know the "new math" and another who does, IMO. Arrgh.
I'm not sure how you do it, but for me, I'll get into editing a page, but after a few days, get bored, go back to an alternate article (- or three)- and then return to the one I began with. So that's why Cat Stevens hasn't got any actual editing from me of late, while I attend to Derek Trucks, his wife, Susan Tedeschi, his band, and Ron Holloway, (in Tedeschi's band now) and I know him! He played for 10 years with Dizzy Gillespie, and many other celebrities after I last saw him, so we had a little reunion via cellphone- was nice!! But Stevens will see me again soon enough, maybe to start more album/song pages. I did leave a note on the talk page there, really for you. Thanks again! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 09:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Aye, it's all right, I really thought you were just saying "thank you", no misunderstandings at all. Now just give me some (little) time, I'll certainly get back to the article I'm looking for, one thing I can tell you is that we were often discussing about this "infamous" Uncle Hugo from Gavle on the Majicat board... I'll get it, no doubt. I once tried adding Cat Stevens to the cathegory (I built all on my own) "English people of Swedish descent" (is this the title, BTW?), but it was immediately turned down, I also quarrelled a bit about it: Cat appears in the "English people of Greek-Cypriot descent", that sounds normal to some Wikipedians, so I thought about creating the "Swedish descent" cathegory: no way, they deleted it and I couln't understand why. Now I can see that cathegory actually appears at the bottom of the article, but it's kept "red", hence unwritten. What's the point in this? Let's write that cathegory down and finally give Yusuf his roots back!
Aye, probably Yusuf himself now prefers the "Steven" way to the "Stephen" one: in general, "Stephen" used to appear in documents dating back to some years ago, but now you tell me he himself states he's "Steven", well, it means he prefers that then. Let's stick to that.
I read about the "Steven Georgiou" controversy: aye, almost nobody knows Cat Stevens is "Steven Georgiou", the vast majority of people don't even know he's Yusuf Islam... On the other hand, his fellow musicians, those who worked with him, included his Welsh guitarist Alun, always referred to him as "Steve", as if it was common knowledge his actual birth name was that one. It's up to you, mate, makes no big difference to me. I'm just happy that the Rushdie controversy was fully explained for what it was (just a total misunderstanding!), I'm already content with it.
One more thing: the part of Shaftesbury Avenue where the restaurant used to be is ALREADY in the Holborn district of London, not any longer in Soho. It is actually the last crossroads before Shaftesbury meets Oxford Street, and it is Holborn. Yusuf himself recalls writing his early tunes upstairs in the very same building where the restaurant was, and watching people walk on Oxford Street as a source of inspiration...
Bye mate!!!! -- Gianmaria Framarin ( talk) 15:09, 9 October 2008 (GMT)
Thanks for you diligence and hardwork as an editor . . . good to see your efforts haven't waned--it is because of people like you that Wikipedia is such a useful resource.
Cheers,-- Utahredrock ( talk) 02:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
You are the one who does not have consensus to make this change. The category remained for more than 13 days following disscusions from 30th of Sep till 13th of Oct when an unexplained removal was made. What you are doing is the against WP:NPOV. 84.13.172.187 ( talk) 08:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Tvov. I have taken your suggestion about Nancy Shevell. However, there is no procedure to expand the Paul McCartney article, and your repeated reversions of the changes to the section on her are not really in keeping with protocol (and a third one would be specifically in violation of policy). The amount of information on her is less than others covered in the article. What is covered is: timing of her relationship with McCartney, information on their activities together, key facts about her family life and profession, and an interesting and notable connection with Heather Mills. This all seems relevant to the main article (life is made up of banalities). Bongomatic ( talk) 07:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me or are all the arguments of supporting a lone Lolo article variations of this? It een goes on to explain my counterpoint to the articles existance:
I've been accused of being anti-Obama for attempting to bring an article I did not think should exist into line with NPOV, and now you've been accused of obviously not knowing who Lolo was and need to read more Obama literature. For what it's worth I have read Dreams From My Father and believe that it actualy bolsters the argument of Lolo not being independently notable, rather a periphery in Obama's life considering that for most of his childhood he insstead spent it in Hawaii with his grandparents rather than in Indonesia with Lolo (which was not a significant period). –– Lid( Talk) 23:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, you removed two comments in the Talk:Michael Smerconish with the comment WP:NOTAFORUM. Although that policy applies to the first comment you removed, that did not apply to the second comment (which I made to reply directly to the original question). I would appreciate it if you added my comment back. Thanks. — 66.235.3.177 ( talk) 06:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
First, I apologize in advance if this violates any specific WP protocol, Tvoz. If there's a right or better way, please let me know. I know you're tired of "rape kits" and want to bring the matter to consensus, but I remain concerned about the potential inclusion of contentious material into the Palin BLP. I suspect the insistence for inclusion will wane on November 5th. You are obviously involved in many other (more important) articles, but I want to address the allegation of Palin's involvement in the rape kit matter. As I mentioned in talk, I'll take the leap of faith with Factchecker and allow that Croft, a Democrat partisan and Palin critic, is notable in the days before an election. However, here is Croft's actual and only statement on the matter:
"I find it hard to believe that for six months a small town, a police chief, would lead the fight against a statewide piece of legislation receiving unanimous support and the mayor not know about it."
This is the basis for inclusion of this material in the Palin article, and I contend it falls short of WP:VERIFIABILITY, i.e. there is no burden to support its accuracy, and it doesn't need to provide evidence that it's accurate in order that it be true. In short, it's a clearly crafted statement that indemnifies the author against liability for unfounded allegation--his thoughts on the matter and not an allegation of fact. Finally, while anecdotal, most major RS have been unwilling to run this story except in op-ed columns, including NY Times, Boston Globe and others that have pounced on prior anti-Palin stories. In closing, my only goal is to be discriminating before WP becomes complicit in potentially untrue and unfair allegations. Fcreid ( talk) 14:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I really do not have the energy to argue with editors over the wording of the rape kits. I may make comments here and there but I don't plan on editing that material at all. Thanks for acting as an intermediary, though. Factchecker atyourservice ( talk) 16:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
With the articles in full protection, I suspect the contentious and occasionally raucous nature of talk/edit will wane on the candidate pages, but I did want to thank you for the insight you've provided in the past weeks. WP is lucky to have such fair and wise people involved in their projects, especially considering the low wages! I'll be around after the election to see what we can do to polish the article for posterity and maybe delve into other areas! Thanks, Tvoz. Fcreid ( talk) 12:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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Just checking...Re: AN/I about protection...did I do wrong by telling that other editor that a discussions was happening?? I know that canvassing is a no-no....but he seemed interested!-- Buster7 ( talk) 07:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
[6] After reading this comment I think you went a little too far there. Even though you publicly advertise both on your talk and user page your affiliation and support to a certain political party I didn't mention it in our discussion to attempt to gain advantage or tried to connect it to your stance on the article or speculate about your motivation. And then you throw stuff out like "You may be hoping this affects the election outcome" was that necessary? Let me assure you the only thing I'm "hoping" is that the discussion will be based on wikipedia policies. Let's just stick to the facts. You also say you are an inclusionist yet you spoke to the effect that 2500 articles in reliable sources including coverage in big name organizations and international coverage were not enough for inclusion as an article. I wonder what is the threshold for inlcusion in "inclusionist" circles? Hobartimus ( talk) 11:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Replied on my talk page. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 03:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, can you fill in a few words at Wikipedia talk:FCDW/ElectionTFA (for the Signpost Dispatch) about the editing restrictions at Obama? What were the issues, when restrictions were put in place, just a sentence or two of background? Jbmurray will work on the article later, but I'm trying to give him the background pieces. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I answered on the main talk page for why I would prefer separation. Think of Stanley Dunham as a spouse of a famous person. Is there another example on wikipedia where two spouses have one joint article? Marie Curie is separate, even though she worked closely with her husband Pierre. About the only joint spouse entry I can think of on wikipedia is Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, but they were jointly convicted of acting together and are usually thought of together. In this case, Obama's grandmother is usually thought of as someone SEPARATE from her husband. I guess that's the main reason I advocate a separate article. And if the the article is often repetitive with Stanley Dunham's, so what? His article could be a stub and wouldn't include her personal traits and could be a link (sub-section) of hers. GreekParadise ( talk) 06:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Quelle triomphe, eh Tvoz?! Unlike Tina Fey (who has now been spared from a life of endless impersonations of what's-her-name), you, my dear, will apparently have no respite from your appointed rounds. :) I'd say your boulder just got a whole lot bigger! Sisyphus himself would surely shed a tear... Take care, Cgingold ( talk) 09:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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I get restless with the same article after a couple of days and do other ones just to regain some clarity. Re: Cat Stevens, do you know if he ever legally changed his name to Yusuf Islam? Was it ever discussed? Also, was it you who pulled out that sidebar (the one where I complained about "See Folk Music", amongst other things)? I thought it quite nice and decorative, would be cool to put something there, if we can EVER get a photo of him. I'm finding more compilation albums than the ones we have listed in the footer of the article. That appears confusing, so I propose only listing the albums Yusuf now lists on his website. I'm planning to do a page for "Don't Be Shy" which did'nt have a page- it just sent the reader to the Tea for the Tillerman page again. Also, I think "Lady d'Arbanville" merits a song page too. Don't know if you've looked at the album & songs pages, they are really scanty. Lastly, I don't know who's involved in the Rushdie page, but the early negative references were blogs with only hostility, no basis. I pulled out about 5-6 that weren't encyclopedic/wikipedic. I think I know who the editor is, but want to avoid hostilities, so I keep out of that one. You might be willing to handle the drama, but I'm not yet up to it. Well, that is about it for now. Just wanted to mention it all. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 23:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
No problem, I actually don't have the book in order to confirm it, but I've asked a user who originally added the page number. Khoi khoi 01:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Are you watching this page? I have no idea why some people think the hatnote to the Wikipedia essay isn't legitimate. I could use backup here. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
This user has run into 3RR blocks four times consecutively. Afaik, it is our practice to begin escalating block lengths at this point. I would ask you to impose a longer block, e.g. doubling block length for any further block, in such a case, since we are obviously dealing with an editor who doesn't want to listen. Thanks, -- dab (𒁳) 15:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate the point, and I am more than ready to discuss this calmly on the article talkpage. What I will not put up with is my explaining myself on talk in a soliloquy. There are two points here, the article ToC, and the actual article prose. I understand we might need the "Malia and Sasha Obama" as a {{ R to section}} target. We do not need "Barack" and "Michelle" h2 sections, because these two have their own articles. And, it is generally a bad idea to split an article into lots of tiny h2 sections. We can talk about it, but we need to work on this. This has nothing to do with Sourcechecker419 and his edit-warring spree. Any user violating 3RR four times in a row needs a block over two or three days at least. Anyway, I saw your warning & assumed you had blocked him. That's my mistake, I should have checked the block log too. Thanks, -- dab (𒁳) 21:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Tvoz, I've seen the reference some time ago that Cat Stevens went by the name "Steve Adams", however, it was a one time thing. I don't think it should be in the article, because absolutley nobody would ever in a million years associate that name with Stevens. So far as I know, he tried it, it didn't work. He never toured under that name, performed under it, and I BET most folks who play with him today aside from Alun Davies would even know about it. I ask that we remove it... or at least place it in the article in some context!! It really is bad form to place referenced material in the infobox. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 05:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, yeah, I know I saw the auction piece someplace and will keep an eye out for it. I just think the infoboxes look kind of tacky, and if you already have the Steve Adams piece in the article, it may not be as pertinent in the infobox. It's why I didn't give a reference there for the Stevie Ray Vaughn Fender Strat guitar, since I'd placed it in the text-- I felt it redundant. Please reconsider about the infobox. On other articles, usually the Alias section is used for better-known alternate nicknames, or whatever. Honestly, I mean no harm, just thinking of aesthetics. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 10:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, in attempting to begin a song page for " Lady D'Arbanville", I got halfway done before realizing the title was not " My Lady D'Arbanville"-- horrible screw up and now needing your help in salting the page and moving what's there thus far under the correct title. DAMN I AM SO PISSED WITH MYSELF I CAN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU!!!! HELP! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 04:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need to add Sec of State to the infobox? That is the problem with Wikipedia, people jump the gun too quickly. What is the problem with waiting until Jan 20, 2009? CTJF83 Talk 21:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent) I'd support deleting those Cabinet post-designates from the Infoboxes. GoodDay ( talk) 23:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Hiya Tvoz. I think I'll let other handle those bio articles infoboxes. Somebody has been changing the Secy of X-designate to Secy of X-nominee. As I understood it, only the President can nominate somebody for those positions. Obama is only the President-elect, his choices for these position won't be sent to the Senate, until after he takes office. GoodDay ( talk) 20:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Nothing up to your fame (congrats), but did find the citation for the Vonegut quotation. Google had it hidden as an "omitted result."-- Beth Wellington ( talk) 22:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, I reverted your edit on Caylee. The claim that remains were found was referenced. No problem there. I DID remove the speculation that it might be Caylee. That wasn't referenced in any way. Feel free to change it up if you want to, I've just been checking it for speculation and stuff today! :) Thanks ! KoshVorlon > rm -r WP:F.U.R 21:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Tvoz -- something to celebrate! I'm sure you haven't forgotten that horrific CFD last year that resulted in the deletion of all of the sub-cats of Category:African American sportspeople. It was just overturned at DRV -- in a UNANIMOUS decision -- and all of those categories have now been restored. Next up: ethnic-American journalists. I'm not sure when, but I'll give you a heads up. At long last, sanity has prevailed! Cgingold ( talk) 12:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I went back to edit a comment that could have been read as dismissive about chubby black females, which was not my intention, but rather to be dismissive of the question. I saw where you had deleted the question, which was a good call. I'm only sorry that my ill though out comment will be recorded for posterity in the shape that it was in when I left it. No big deal, but someoen might have been offendedm, which again was not my goal. Die4Dixie ( talk) 23:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I left my computer unattended for about 30 seconds while I was on the Obama talk page and my 13 month old somehow managed to get to your contribs and rollback your edit. I would have explained earlier but I didn't really think it was a big deal. Landon1980 ( talk) 20:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Here: Template talk:Obama family#Ugly. Thanks. Just tips me hat but then 〜on thought bows deeply … 23:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
OK. That's a good point. Grundle2600 ( talk) 12:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I have posted a reply to your enquiry at Talk:Barack_Obama,_Sr.#.22contradictory.22_tag. Arjun G. Menon ( talk · mail) 21:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
edit summary-- brew crewer (yada, yada) 20:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Tvoz, I noticed that there's a discrepancy between Uncle Hugo's last name and that of Cat Stevens' mom. Can you figure out which is the proper spelling? We have this: the mother is "Ingrid Wickman (b. 1915)", and later, "his uncle Hugo Wickham, a painter."- which is the correct last name? Thanks. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 10:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
You might want to check a Spanish-English dictionary before correcting Spanish-language gang name spellings. The correct spelling is CATORCE (Spanish for 14), and not a derivative version of quatro (four) as your change suggests. The edit has been reverted. Drmargi ( talk) 01:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
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In the listing about Murray the K, you posted an image of a concert CD that is a bootleg of a legitimate album release. That CD was created from the album whose soundtrack was provided to a UK firm that produced the disk overseas, out of US jurisdiction. I'd be grateful if you'd remove the CD image or replace it with an image of the album, which I'll gladly provide to you. The same firm that hijacked the CD -- Live Gold Productions, which is also known as Lady Goose -- copied and is currently selling a bootlegged version of Murray's 1965 television special, the mention of which has been deleted from the listing. MKArchives ( talk) 21:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for the start of a disambiguation for Alun Davies. I'm not sure how to do it. Matter of fact, being fairly new to wikipedia and computers, (although not academia) I was wondering if you'd answer some newbie questions for me from time to time? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 00:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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User talk:Tvoz/Issue-nav...... Densock .. Talk( Dendodge on a public network) 10:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Tvoz -- I was thinking maybe you could use a wee bit of a distraction from the Obama Wars. (heh heh) So anyway, I was poking around in the new AFD listings, and came across a somewhat familiar name: Ward Morehouse (activist), co-founder of POCLAD. It's just a tiny little stub at the moment, and the issue (of course) is WP:NOTE. Well, I turned up some op-eds he wrote for the NYT, and then I found a book review where he's described as a long-time denizen of Croton-on-Hudson. So I thought, hey, Tvoz might take an interest in this, seeing as the guy's a fellow Westchesterian -- is that the proper adjective? :) Take care, Cgingold ( talk) 08:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
You'd said of the Edwards / National Enquirer issue: "We're supposed to weigh the relative importance of the dozens of news items - when they are even legitimate news items which I personally do not think this one is as of now - and determine if it belongs in the article and if including it doesn't give too much weight to it in the context of his life."
Would you apply the same standard to the page of <a href=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibson_%28media_host%29">John Gibson</a>? His page is weighed down by the opinions of Media Matters (hardly non-biased, and definitely not a reliable source), and the opinions of his political opponents and competitors. But no news. Just highly partisan blogs and highly partisan editorializing.
If your quote, which I cited above, is to be taken seriously, then you may want to step in on the page for Gibson, where it's turned into little more than a nit-picking criticism of a media personality. His alleged controversies were not newsworthy as they never even made news.
So please, do step up. It's your chance to demonstrate what's good for John Edwards is also good for John Gibson. Thank you. Ynot4tony2 ( talk) 18:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
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For your thoughtful contributions to the discussion regarding Abongo Obama.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 23:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC) |
Just saw this: considering the tenor of those discussions I'm not too sure about this, but thank you. Tvoz/ talk 23:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, archive notices go above the TOC when they are ready. Not necessarily when they're being prepared in a section marked as being temporary. A section which was created to avoid having people editing the entire article and causing edit conflicts during the setup. -- SEWilco ( talk) 02:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Don't bother feeding the trolls, especially in a public forum. I noticed someone once commented you on fighting the good fight... glad to see there are other editors who do so. I've learned that sometimes it's not possible to have meaningful debate with people who would rather serve an agenda than consult applicable policy. By all means don't let them wear you out, and keep up the good fight! For a good laugh check out this thread. Cheers! / Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
HI- I know virtually no one in wikipedia, so I'm hoping you will help with this. The more I put any energy into the Cat Stevens article, and the song pages, the more I'm convinced that one must be created for Alun Davies. However, the name as you know, is shared by two others- the now-dead Canadian bassist, (who has no page), and the Welsh politician (who does). Would you help me begin to create one for Alun Davies the guitarist? Normally I wouldn't feel so at odds, but since this requires a disambiguation page (don't know how to do that) and the start of a page with the same name as another! (am baffled at the entire idea!) I am hoping for your help? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 20:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
If you agree the The should be uppercase, could you sign your name here? Thanks, -- andreasegde ( talk) 19:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
HAR! Meant it metaphorically. I was born in Nov. 1959 so yes, I had the vinyl of all from Mona Bone Jakon to Buddha- but sold it at age 16 when I was a student at the University of Maryland. (Yeah, I started there at 15, but not because I was terribly smart, just precocious and manipulative!) However, after my early twenties, I did a disappearing act, and only learned to use a computer at ALL (cant understate that enough, didn't even know how to TYPE) until say, 6 years ago. THAT is what I meant about being someone's mom, theoretically with this wikipedia. I'm like a virtual dinosaur. OTOH, YOU could give this smart-ass graduate school genious types a run for their money! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 04:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, bless you, I've added photos to both Derek Trucks and Susan Tedeschi; however, the second one has still given me problems. The photo I added (Susan Tedeschi, 2007), should really be in the info box, instead of an album cover, but I can't seem to get it in there, despite your suggestions. Would you give it a try? I'll be indebted, yet again.. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 22:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
We need to block I.P. address 137.242.1.50. This user has vandalized 23 times, yet hasen't been blocked. most vandals are blocked after they vandalize 4 or 5 times, not 23. so, let's block this anonoymus user.-- Master of Pies ( talk) 19:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I have decided I am not going to be adopted. -- Master of Pies ( talk) 21:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Here (and also, if possible, here?) Justmeherenow ( ) 05:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Your edits to the Clinton page WERE TOTALLY UNACCPTABLE. The Capitol Hill Blue is a very reliable resource. Read the website's policy for yourself. KEEP YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS ABOUT RELIABLE RESOURCES TO YOURSELF, OR I WILL REPORT YOU. Kevin j ( talk) 16:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)(posted this same statementyesterday, but some user erased it for ridiculous accusations that I was intending harrashment. This is not the exact time I posted it)
The Capitol Hill Blue is very reliable. KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF AND RESPECT THE NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW POLICY. You've already confessed you're a "Nancy Reagan Warrior." Just so you know, WIKIPEDIA IS NOT THE PLACE FOR POLITICAL PROPAGANDA OF ANY SORT. Just good amount of Barnstars you have received from other editors, you still don't get any special privileges at all. Also, I'M NOT CAPITALIZING MY STATEMENTS OUT OF RAGE, BUT RATHER AS A FORM OF HIGHLIGHTING. I don't mean to be uncivil in anyway, and I will put the Clinton facts about Sally Perdue back on by tommorrow. Also, I HAVE ALREADY REQUESTED YOU GET BLOCKED FOR VIOLATING THE GOOD FAITH POLICY. Kevin j ( talk) 15:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)( talk) 01:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, I have dedicided to Italics instead of capital letters, so don't use them to present any bogus evidence that I am acting uncivil. The edits you made to the Bill Clinton page were completely in bad faith. Capitol Hill Blue is a very reliable resource, and has many good debates on various issues. The motto it has about the mainstream media in the website's motto are only an advertisement. The news media has been accussed of being bias by various parties, and Capital Hill Blue is only trying to use those accusations to draw readers to the website. It's really no different than either CNN's "Most Trusted Name In News" or Fox News's "Fair and Balanced mottos. Nothing I have added violates the Bigraphies of Living Person's policy either. Keep your opinions to yourself, or I will continue to have you noted for violating both the neutral point of view and good faith policies
Trust me, you will be blocked if it continues. Kevin j ( talk) 18:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Please do not stop removing unreferenced controversial biographical content from articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at
Bill Clinton. Content of this nature could be regarded as
defamatory and is in violation of
Wikipedia policy. If the top of your head flips up and your brain flops out onto the keyboard, or your hands are spontaneously possessed by
the devil, resulting in a complete reversal of your past behaviour regarding this policy, you will be
blocked from editing Wikipedia. Regards,
SHEFFIELDSTEEL
TALK
19:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
[out] Well, serves me right for taking a day off from this playground - Sheffield, I'm literally laughing out loud. and will certainly take your warning to heart. Barneca, thanks for the pointer and your defense at the AN - I almost missed the whole thing. Pleasantville, thanks for keeping an eye out. But Kevin - words can't express my joy at receiving your various missives here and on the admin noticeboard, and elsewhere. You have made it into my hall of fame - yes, I am a proud Nancy Reagan warrior, as she so needs an army to defend her honor. And your logic in saying I'm obviously a loyal Republican as evidenced by my removing unreliably sourced negative material about Bill Clinton? Yeah, that's the ticket. Chill out, and enjoy your week block - better yet, use it to understand basic Wikipedia policy. I did nothing in bad faith, the source you used is utterly unreliable, and you added unsubstantiated negative material about a living person. I'd remove it from anyone's page that I came across. Further, your comments about me are not only uninformed - I am not male, for example - but they are harassment. Learn how to respectfully disagree before making a return appearance on my talk page, please. Tvoz/ talk 03:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeek. Ok, I'm on this now. Depending on finding, I may take this further, as you can imagine. Can I share your message if it becomes necessary? - Alison ❤ 05:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
*ding* You have mail. :) -- Bobblehead (rants) 18:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I knew the Trivia section was wrong, but felt the award deserved mention somewhere, so thanks! Now for more questions: 1)Do you know anyone who works in Wikimedia Commons who can explain how things there work best? I'm recruiting folks willing to allow us use of their personal pics for a number of people who are missing them on their pages. I'll make a list of them on MY page, OK? 2)I know the CITE refs are probably preferable, to the other kind, but often, no name is used in some articles from major publications. How to standardize the reference sections (esp Cat Stevens?) ps- I AM looking to replace the video sources. Is there ever any way to really reference a video interview acceptably to eventually 3) Do you know how to make those tables showing top hits (as in some of the album pages, or the Dixie Chicks band page in the UK and the USA? How? (I need help getting started w/Alun Davies in that manner- planned to move HIS albums to album pages, etc. but is there more?) Pls see talk page for Davies 3) How can we merge the references best? 4) Do the Yusuf's Cafe sessions qualify as an album? Thanks for your input -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 16:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Jonesing? -- Scjessey ( talk) 16:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Since we are apparently "known friends", I thought it would be impolite not to introduce myself and say hi. MastCell Talk 21:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello Tvoz. I appreciate your comments you made on the Cat Stevens main article about the need for immmediate sourcing of controversial material. You were right. I think that we should be very very careful, maybe even going beyond the letter of the laws and policies of wiki and state numerous sources , because of Cat Stevens libel cases. I have now listed the numerous sources on the discussion page but you have not made any comments since then. I have read as many of your commments and edits as I can and I have found them to incredibly instructive, fair, and positive in tone. Since you are a very experienced and I feel a balanced editor is there any way you can guide us now on how to include a small section or comment on Cat Steven's openly writing anti- Jewish, anti-Israel comments for Hamas front groups, and then donations to Hamas front groups. I conducted a full google, lexisnexis, galileo search of material on Cat Stevens for the last 10 years and he has made mostly negative statements about Israel and Jews with one positive comment where he quotes from the Koran. Also, he does not ever deny his support of Hamas, he just says that he only supports their charity "branches" and not their political wings. The U.S. and Canada, and Israel, among others, of course do not such make fine distinctions and have documented how the charity groups serve to funnel money to terrorists. This is why several of those groups that Cat Stevens have funded have been subsequently shut down as terrorist front organizations. Also, several articles have argued that Cat Stevens might be trying to moderate his own views, and also could be either willfully blind about the nature of the charities he has supported or even naive. I understand that to keep the main article balanced there should only be a small section in it and that it might end up branching, just like the Rushdie event. I have not added anything to the Cat Stevens article because I am a newbie and I have learned that "there is no rush to publish." Any general or even better specific help in structuring this information so that it meets Wiki standards would be welcomed. Thanks again. aharon42 ( talk) 16:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
tvoz. Please note that I corrected my myself and said that you had properly guided me on how to handle the wiki policies. I put it at the end of the section because I thought that is what we are supposed to do, not adding comments in the middle. I still do have questions about it, which I also noted at the end of the section but I will pay heed to your superior experience in these issues. aharon42 ( talk) 18:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I have read both articles on Cat stevens and I have also read all of the archives. That's why I was so impressed with your consistent editing style, even when I disagreed with a couple of your conclusions. When you have time its these gray areas that I want to explore further. Most salient for me is when the correct NPOV is negative because that is truely the objective description of the action or person, ie Ted Bundy, Hitler, or George Bush's oratorical skills (not him as a president) It would not be NPOV to give equal weight to some kind of "on the other hand, Hitler denied ever living in Germany, or George Bush maintains he is a great speaker." The article should reflect the weight of evidence and not just be a he said, she said, debate, especially if one of them can be clearly shown to be lying. Specifically there is a huge amount of evidence that Cat Stevens donated money to Hamas front groups, spoke at their meetings and conventions, wrote anti-semitic tracts, it is wrong to give his evasive responses equal weight to the actual evidence. His responses should be mentioned, just like if Ted Bundy denied ever murdering anyone (which I think he did, got to look that up on WP!)but the overall article perspective should not reflect his claims of innocence, since they are demonstrably false. I know you are busy so maybe we could move forward on this in a week or two. (But I am not waiting untill the elections are concluded..)With respect aharon42 ( talk) 19:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
A user has posted about you on WP:ANI Exxolon ( talk) 15:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed this edit of yours. Perhaps you were unaware that there is an ongoing talk page discussion about the matter? [2] The material that you reinserted does not have an NPOV and is very misleading. It suggests that every time anyone spoke to Monegan about Wooten, there was pressure applied. Palin admits that that occurred only once, not 24 times. Ferrylodge ( talk) 01:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I share your... what's the word? bemusement? ... at the remarkable metamorphosis in some editors' approach to WP:BLP. It seems like only last month that a number of editors were arguing that the National Enquirer was an appropriate source for a BLP, and that rumors there demanded inclusion on Wikipedia or else zOMG LIBERALZZ CENSORSHIP!!1!!1! I thought at the time that this sort of argument was, aside from its obvious fundamental flaws, deeply short-sighted.
Sure enough, the Enquirer shifts their focus to Sarah Palin, prints more rumors which are noted (but not supported) in the mainstream media, and... well, you know the rest. I'm actually pretty bothered by the moral flexibility and newfound sanctimonious zeal for WP:BLP on display in some quarters, but better late than never I guess. Besides, there's probably nothing constructive to come out of belaboring this particular display, other than to note it for future reference re: the credibility of a handful of folks. MastCell Talk 19:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
As I recall, the full name was duplicated in the "Early life and career" section to avoid having to cite it in the introduction. If it stays like this, that reference will have to be moved up as well. -- Scjessey ( talk) 21:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
If you want a change of pace from Palinsanity, I've finished for now my big expansion of Geraldine Ferraro (which presumably is getting a readership spike these days). Edits and/or comments are welcome, from the important (did I leave out any big developments or famous incidents? is it an interesting and fair portrayal?) to the routine (awful prose in places, I bet – I'm weary of looking at it). I know you did some cleanup work on this back during the spring, and you may have a feel for some of the material involved ... somehow I don't remember her two Senate primary races as well as I should ... Wasted Time R ( talk) 03:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey! I was wondering if you'd help me with the uploading of the 3 album covers from Alun Davies (1963-1972). All are shrunk down so if you click them, they're slightly larger but still small enough to justify using, I *think*. They appear on Majicat.com; click them to the approximate size we use in album infoboxes. They are here- [3] I just have gone crazy trying to figure out how to UPLOAD them to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons is HARD! Commons suggests uploading the photo to the as-yet uncreated page first before starting the pages, so I hoped you'd figure out what suits you best, and maybe help me? Can you begin to start the pages for Davies' 3 albums (there might be 4, but that's another issue). Of them, Daydo, (1972) has the most information, --lots of it, actually, and that would be the best one to start. Puleeze will you help with this? The covers I think would be acceptable since they were shrunken so small. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 01:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I got your email and responded. I've reinserted the material, and I am very willing to discuss it further at the talk page (which is all in the email... I'm getting ahead of myself :-) My best as always, Happyme22 ( talk) 04:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, but I've started pages a couple of times.. it's just the photo thing. Can you suggest ANYONE who might know about it? Or who is in the album cover group, and that's their "thing"? -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 22:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
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Seeing you just archived most of the page, have previously edited the article as well as the talk page, and am a prominent Obama editor would you mind weighing in on the debate I have accidentally caused over whether Lolo Soetoro is to be categorised as an Indonesian Muslim? I'm wary of that all my policy arguments and attempts at neutrality have fallen on deaf ears as the other editor in the dispute seems to have made the assumption I am anti-Obama and am just trying to smear him through association with Islam and thus anything I say is suspect. 04:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lid ( talk • contribs)
I copied references when I knew they were the same- usually when people use Yusuf's website, either the Lifeline, or the Biography one. This is for several reasons: 1- I worry that I'll use a ref, name it, etc, only to find someone else used a different name for the same reference, making it confusing. 2- We really need to form a work group! We need a consensus on whether to use CITE or the old way (ref name= "name") style. I vote for the second one, b/c it really puzzles me as to shortening the vast variety of ways people can CITE refs- whether from the web, videos, whatever. The older way is simpler, IMHO. The Islamic workgroup I'm part of here only use that, and they have a whole bunch of GA and FA articles because of it. 3- Last, when I'm exhausted but have insomnia, I'm scared I'll mess up a reference trying to shorten it. If that's what you're talking about, like ref name"John/" I know how, but was trying to respond quickly to all of the citation needed spots that the bot pointed out in the early parts of the article. BTW, which quotes are you referring to? The one in the Tuberculosis section about seeing people dying I referenced. I have no idea where the "Uncle Hugo, a painter" visit came from, it's from someone long ago, old.
One last thing-- the Cat Stevens Fansite has a link to an extensive site in German, and I asked a friend, Editor: Krautmaster, to look through it and lend a hand, since German is his primary language, though he's fluent in English. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 23:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know why you didn't notice it, but 2 days ago, I began using the date on Yusuf's Lifeline, also. (shrug) No offense intended, but you amaze me -seeing some things but missing others. I believe if you and I work together, we can make this a really powerful article. As for depending too much on Yusuf's site, when I was working on John Frusciante, before I registered a name here, with an ISP instead, we used the same blogs from the members of the Red Hot Chili Peppers' members for the band page and the individuals' pages and so forth continuously, and there were no complaints- in fact, the article went from GA to FA status really quickly! As to this one, I'm going over information regarding song and album pages, and more on Yusuf Islam. We need photos badly. Problem: many Muslims don't believe in photos- it's a long story but I'm not one of them, it just means fewer fans will provide GFDL photos. Let's try searching Flickr for some taken recently, at least. I badly want one for Davies, too- AND his D.O.B! There are all kinds of sources of articles for Stevens/Islam; in fact, I was afraid we'd have too many! I can do a lot of the grunt work if you're willing to fine tune, and explain how to REALLY use CITE, because I feel pretty doleful about it, even now. If you get bored, the Derek Trucks and The Derek Trucks Band (two great examples of the articles I begged for on Flickr along with many others like Leo Kottke) --IOW, anything with Derek Trucks and his band can use help!! I kinda alternate, so I don't lose interest entirely. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 00:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
PS- where is there a banner for rewrite and wikification of an article? See Ron Holloway- that's a famous sax player I actually met and knew in the 1970s.. but look at the page, please! OMG. What a sight. How nobody saw it before me is beyond me. And he's playing with Susan Tedeschi! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 09:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, can you have a look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Help needed with Aaron Sorkin and then examine the edits in question? There's an Obama connection in there somehow, and the edits seem politically motivated, and I'm wondering if you are able to generate evidence sufficient for a familiar checkuser. I left a note for Bobblehead as well. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 04:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
←Not on my talk page please. And "not a flattering article" is not a criterion here. Tvoz/ talk 08:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
That section was a complete mess before you took a hatchet to it. Actually, it would have been perfect if we were writing an article for People magazine, which I'm fairly certain she has never read. A ni Mate 07:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Tvoz- Nice work on the Palin 'reception' section. I would appreciate your opinion on my comments on the 'Political Positions' section: [ [4]] Thanks, IP75 75.25.28.167 ( talk) 18:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Back atcha :) - Alison ❤ 02:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz-- can you tell me how to archive my talk page? I'm clueless. In addition, though I know it's not your favorite page, Derek Trucks originally had The Derek Trucks Band on his page. Problem is, it was called the Derek Trucks Band, and was also kept on his page, since it was salted and removed. NOW, since the two are separated, if someone puts "The" before the name of the band, as in my first example, it goes to the new page. But if they just put "Derek Trucks Band", it still goes to his page. Can you help me figure out how to stop this? There should be only a Derek Trucks page, and a The Derek Trucks Band page. Thanks. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 04:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Another question, I have SO many edits, since I'm paranoid of having my editing sessions last to long and either being unable to save what I've edited, OR, finding another user is editing the same page, and being unable to save my work. I have hundreds of edits as a result. I know I can go to the "Earliest" edits, etc. but wonder if people have a way to put them someplace, too. I spend an average of 9 hours a day doing stuff on wikipedia, esp. since I get bored with one page for a couple of days, and just surf through the wikipedia fixing obvious things, you know, WikiGnome style. That way I can get a fresh perspective on the pages I'm working on after a day or two. Thanks for noticing. Once I learn something, I'm OK, but I'm still trying to figure out how to upload shrunken album covers for album pages to Wikimedia, as well, and I'm UTTERLY PERPLEXED! I might just be too much of a dingbat for all of this I'm so frustrated. Ready to hang up the whole wiki thing, since instructions- I'm dyslexic too, really make it hard. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 06:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting this obvious attempt (at Palin) to slur and use guilt by association.-- Buster7 ( talk) 05:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Are you the one that changed the last name of Stevens on the Cat Stevens/ Yusuf Islam page to Georgiou? Someone did that at the beginning of the page, at least. Nearly nobody knows Cat Stevens by Steven Georgiou. I think it should be Stevens and then Islam after conversion. I STRONGLY feel this.
Finally, HOW IN HELL can we pull the "See Folk Music" out of the side template on Cat Stevens?? I see no reason to have it there! Maybe for Pete Seeger, but Stevens' music, while influenced by folk music, was still an emerging genre, of folk rock, and so it peeves me to see that on the page. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 06:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Soz, mate, I had already answered to your message some weeks ago directly on Cat Stevens' discussion page, I thought you'd peep in and so on... It's the very first time I'm using the "talk" page, so sorry again, mate. Well, if you visit the Wikipedia.en article about the Swedish town of Gavle you'll find out that Stephen's mother (BTW, his actual name is StePHen Demetre Georgiou, not SteVen, I've been a long term member of Yusuf's fan site Majicat, I know it for sure)... where was I? Okay, well, Stephen's mum was called Ingrid Wickman and hailed from Gavle, that's what Wikipedia itself says, and that's how I found it, to be honest. It was only after this that I started discussing it into the fan site, and I was redirected to loads of newspaper old articles where Cat Stevens' Swedish roots were well explained: one of them, I actually can't remember which one, spoke about this monthly residence in Sweden right after Yusuf's parents' divorce: he followed his mum to Gavle and studied there for some months, before coming back to London to work in his dad's restaurant. While in Sweden, his uncle Hugo heavily influenced him artistically speaking, and that's where Stephen developed his drawing skills. In fact, Cat Stevens himself is the author of his first album covers. Now: I have a strong belief I read all this in a Melody Maker article from 1972, which is still available on the Majicat site, but even though that might not be the magazine, I'll certainly find out which one was discussing Cat's Swedish life, because all of these articles are still available on the Majicat site. I could obviously get there and try and obtain the document requested, and finally quote it. I'll do it as soon as possible, promised. -- Gianmaria Framarin ( talk) 22:53, 8 October 2008 (GMT)
Tvoz, the Georgiou name is the only issue in which I disagree with you. There are TONS of people-- see the barnstar article, Flea, and there's a ton more, like The Edge and Freddie Mercury, just off the top of my head. As long as the original name is listed right next to the stage name is documented, I think Stevens is perfectly fine, since people don't go looking for "Steven Georgiou". It's confusing enough that his name was Georgiou, then Cat Stevens, then Yusuf Islam, and now Yusuf. Please, put the name back to Stevens. Quote what you wish about how and why he has these names, but please keep it the way it was. See, if you want, the way I handled the transition of Marha to Martie Maguire. Please reconsider: you are the the only one who feels this must be changed!!
Thanks for removing the folk music part of the side template on Stevens' I couldn't figure out how to get the damned template open, even clicking edit!! RE: archiving, I want to archive every single message on my talk page, leaving only the big green template with all the cool little references of short abbreviated links to places in the wikipedia to use. Its a large green template, saying WELCOME. Otherwise, the rest needs archiving-- everything else on my talk page. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 23:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the archive. Seems to me, when Wikipedia gives instructions on how to do something, it appears like they give you 5 options, and then tell you option 2 is preferable to options 1-5 minus number 2, and sheeeet! It's like trying to learn calculus from someone who doesn't know the "new math" and another who does, IMO. Arrgh.
I'm not sure how you do it, but for me, I'll get into editing a page, but after a few days, get bored, go back to an alternate article (- or three)- and then return to the one I began with. So that's why Cat Stevens hasn't got any actual editing from me of late, while I attend to Derek Trucks, his wife, Susan Tedeschi, his band, and Ron Holloway, (in Tedeschi's band now) and I know him! He played for 10 years with Dizzy Gillespie, and many other celebrities after I last saw him, so we had a little reunion via cellphone- was nice!! But Stevens will see me again soon enough, maybe to start more album/song pages. I did leave a note on the talk page there, really for you. Thanks again! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 09:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Aye, it's all right, I really thought you were just saying "thank you", no misunderstandings at all. Now just give me some (little) time, I'll certainly get back to the article I'm looking for, one thing I can tell you is that we were often discussing about this "infamous" Uncle Hugo from Gavle on the Majicat board... I'll get it, no doubt. I once tried adding Cat Stevens to the cathegory (I built all on my own) "English people of Swedish descent" (is this the title, BTW?), but it was immediately turned down, I also quarrelled a bit about it: Cat appears in the "English people of Greek-Cypriot descent", that sounds normal to some Wikipedians, so I thought about creating the "Swedish descent" cathegory: no way, they deleted it and I couln't understand why. Now I can see that cathegory actually appears at the bottom of the article, but it's kept "red", hence unwritten. What's the point in this? Let's write that cathegory down and finally give Yusuf his roots back!
Aye, probably Yusuf himself now prefers the "Steven" way to the "Stephen" one: in general, "Stephen" used to appear in documents dating back to some years ago, but now you tell me he himself states he's "Steven", well, it means he prefers that then. Let's stick to that.
I read about the "Steven Georgiou" controversy: aye, almost nobody knows Cat Stevens is "Steven Georgiou", the vast majority of people don't even know he's Yusuf Islam... On the other hand, his fellow musicians, those who worked with him, included his Welsh guitarist Alun, always referred to him as "Steve", as if it was common knowledge his actual birth name was that one. It's up to you, mate, makes no big difference to me. I'm just happy that the Rushdie controversy was fully explained for what it was (just a total misunderstanding!), I'm already content with it.
One more thing: the part of Shaftesbury Avenue where the restaurant used to be is ALREADY in the Holborn district of London, not any longer in Soho. It is actually the last crossroads before Shaftesbury meets Oxford Street, and it is Holborn. Yusuf himself recalls writing his early tunes upstairs in the very same building where the restaurant was, and watching people walk on Oxford Street as a source of inspiration...
Bye mate!!!! -- Gianmaria Framarin ( talk) 15:09, 9 October 2008 (GMT)
Thanks for you diligence and hardwork as an editor . . . good to see your efforts haven't waned--it is because of people like you that Wikipedia is such a useful resource.
Cheers,-- Utahredrock ( talk) 02:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
You are the one who does not have consensus to make this change. The category remained for more than 13 days following disscusions from 30th of Sep till 13th of Oct when an unexplained removal was made. What you are doing is the against WP:NPOV. 84.13.172.187 ( talk) 08:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Tvov. I have taken your suggestion about Nancy Shevell. However, there is no procedure to expand the Paul McCartney article, and your repeated reversions of the changes to the section on her are not really in keeping with protocol (and a third one would be specifically in violation of policy). The amount of information on her is less than others covered in the article. What is covered is: timing of her relationship with McCartney, information on their activities together, key facts about her family life and profession, and an interesting and notable connection with Heather Mills. This all seems relevant to the main article (life is made up of banalities). Bongomatic ( talk) 07:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me or are all the arguments of supporting a lone Lolo article variations of this? It een goes on to explain my counterpoint to the articles existance:
I've been accused of being anti-Obama for attempting to bring an article I did not think should exist into line with NPOV, and now you've been accused of obviously not knowing who Lolo was and need to read more Obama literature. For what it's worth I have read Dreams From My Father and believe that it actualy bolsters the argument of Lolo not being independently notable, rather a periphery in Obama's life considering that for most of his childhood he insstead spent it in Hawaii with his grandparents rather than in Indonesia with Lolo (which was not a significant period). –– Lid( Talk) 23:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, you removed two comments in the Talk:Michael Smerconish with the comment WP:NOTAFORUM. Although that policy applies to the first comment you removed, that did not apply to the second comment (which I made to reply directly to the original question). I would appreciate it if you added my comment back. Thanks. — 66.235.3.177 ( talk) 06:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
First, I apologize in advance if this violates any specific WP protocol, Tvoz. If there's a right or better way, please let me know. I know you're tired of "rape kits" and want to bring the matter to consensus, but I remain concerned about the potential inclusion of contentious material into the Palin BLP. I suspect the insistence for inclusion will wane on November 5th. You are obviously involved in many other (more important) articles, but I want to address the allegation of Palin's involvement in the rape kit matter. As I mentioned in talk, I'll take the leap of faith with Factchecker and allow that Croft, a Democrat partisan and Palin critic, is notable in the days before an election. However, here is Croft's actual and only statement on the matter:
"I find it hard to believe that for six months a small town, a police chief, would lead the fight against a statewide piece of legislation receiving unanimous support and the mayor not know about it."
This is the basis for inclusion of this material in the Palin article, and I contend it falls short of WP:VERIFIABILITY, i.e. there is no burden to support its accuracy, and it doesn't need to provide evidence that it's accurate in order that it be true. In short, it's a clearly crafted statement that indemnifies the author against liability for unfounded allegation--his thoughts on the matter and not an allegation of fact. Finally, while anecdotal, most major RS have been unwilling to run this story except in op-ed columns, including NY Times, Boston Globe and others that have pounced on prior anti-Palin stories. In closing, my only goal is to be discriminating before WP becomes complicit in potentially untrue and unfair allegations. Fcreid ( talk) 14:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I really do not have the energy to argue with editors over the wording of the rape kits. I may make comments here and there but I don't plan on editing that material at all. Thanks for acting as an intermediary, though. Factchecker atyourservice ( talk) 16:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
With the articles in full protection, I suspect the contentious and occasionally raucous nature of talk/edit will wane on the candidate pages, but I did want to thank you for the insight you've provided in the past weeks. WP is lucky to have such fair and wise people involved in their projects, especially considering the low wages! I'll be around after the election to see what we can do to polish the article for posterity and maybe delve into other areas! Thanks, Tvoz. Fcreid ( talk) 12:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
[5] -- Y not? 13:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Just checking...Re: AN/I about protection...did I do wrong by telling that other editor that a discussions was happening?? I know that canvassing is a no-no....but he seemed interested!-- Buster7 ( talk) 07:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
[6] After reading this comment I think you went a little too far there. Even though you publicly advertise both on your talk and user page your affiliation and support to a certain political party I didn't mention it in our discussion to attempt to gain advantage or tried to connect it to your stance on the article or speculate about your motivation. And then you throw stuff out like "You may be hoping this affects the election outcome" was that necessary? Let me assure you the only thing I'm "hoping" is that the discussion will be based on wikipedia policies. Let's just stick to the facts. You also say you are an inclusionist yet you spoke to the effect that 2500 articles in reliable sources including coverage in big name organizations and international coverage were not enough for inclusion as an article. I wonder what is the threshold for inlcusion in "inclusionist" circles? Hobartimus ( talk) 11:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Replied on my talk page. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 03:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, can you fill in a few words at Wikipedia talk:FCDW/ElectionTFA (for the Signpost Dispatch) about the editing restrictions at Obama? What were the issues, when restrictions were put in place, just a sentence or two of background? Jbmurray will work on the article later, but I'm trying to give him the background pieces. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I answered on the main talk page for why I would prefer separation. Think of Stanley Dunham as a spouse of a famous person. Is there another example on wikipedia where two spouses have one joint article? Marie Curie is separate, even though she worked closely with her husband Pierre. About the only joint spouse entry I can think of on wikipedia is Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, but they were jointly convicted of acting together and are usually thought of together. In this case, Obama's grandmother is usually thought of as someone SEPARATE from her husband. I guess that's the main reason I advocate a separate article. And if the the article is often repetitive with Stanley Dunham's, so what? His article could be a stub and wouldn't include her personal traits and could be a link (sub-section) of hers. GreekParadise ( talk) 06:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Quelle triomphe, eh Tvoz?! Unlike Tina Fey (who has now been spared from a life of endless impersonations of what's-her-name), you, my dear, will apparently have no respite from your appointed rounds. :) I'd say your boulder just got a whole lot bigger! Sisyphus himself would surely shed a tear... Take care, Cgingold ( talk) 09:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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Actually there is a category named "people of jewish descent" Roukas ( talk) 15:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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I get restless with the same article after a couple of days and do other ones just to regain some clarity. Re: Cat Stevens, do you know if he ever legally changed his name to Yusuf Islam? Was it ever discussed? Also, was it you who pulled out that sidebar (the one where I complained about "See Folk Music", amongst other things)? I thought it quite nice and decorative, would be cool to put something there, if we can EVER get a photo of him. I'm finding more compilation albums than the ones we have listed in the footer of the article. That appears confusing, so I propose only listing the albums Yusuf now lists on his website. I'm planning to do a page for "Don't Be Shy" which did'nt have a page- it just sent the reader to the Tea for the Tillerman page again. Also, I think "Lady d'Arbanville" merits a song page too. Don't know if you've looked at the album & songs pages, they are really scanty. Lastly, I don't know who's involved in the Rushdie page, but the early negative references were blogs with only hostility, no basis. I pulled out about 5-6 that weren't encyclopedic/wikipedic. I think I know who the editor is, but want to avoid hostilities, so I keep out of that one. You might be willing to handle the drama, but I'm not yet up to it. Well, that is about it for now. Just wanted to mention it all. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 23:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
No problem, I actually don't have the book in order to confirm it, but I've asked a user who originally added the page number. Khoi khoi 01:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Are you watching this page? I have no idea why some people think the hatnote to the Wikipedia essay isn't legitimate. I could use backup here. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
This user has run into 3RR blocks four times consecutively. Afaik, it is our practice to begin escalating block lengths at this point. I would ask you to impose a longer block, e.g. doubling block length for any further block, in such a case, since we are obviously dealing with an editor who doesn't want to listen. Thanks, -- dab (𒁳) 15:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate the point, and I am more than ready to discuss this calmly on the article talkpage. What I will not put up with is my explaining myself on talk in a soliloquy. There are two points here, the article ToC, and the actual article prose. I understand we might need the "Malia and Sasha Obama" as a {{ R to section}} target. We do not need "Barack" and "Michelle" h2 sections, because these two have their own articles. And, it is generally a bad idea to split an article into lots of tiny h2 sections. We can talk about it, but we need to work on this. This has nothing to do with Sourcechecker419 and his edit-warring spree. Any user violating 3RR four times in a row needs a block over two or three days at least. Anyway, I saw your warning & assumed you had blocked him. That's my mistake, I should have checked the block log too. Thanks, -- dab (𒁳) 21:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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Barack Obama has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured quality. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Dabomb87 ( talk) 23:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The article structure is looking much better now. Thanks for your efforts, -- dab (𒁳) 13:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
What do you think? Peer review time, or just go straight for the GA? miranda 22:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
There are some reports that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital and some that he was born in Queen's Hospital. How do you reconcile these contradictory reports?-- Filll ( talk | wpc) 17:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
(undent) Regarding Ann Dunham, FYI. Ferrylodge ( talk) 22:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey Tvoz, I've seen the reference some time ago that Cat Stevens went by the name "Steve Adams", however, it was a one time thing. I don't think it should be in the article, because absolutley nobody would ever in a million years associate that name with Stevens. So far as I know, he tried it, it didn't work. He never toured under that name, performed under it, and I BET most folks who play with him today aside from Alun Davies would even know about it. I ask that we remove it... or at least place it in the article in some context!! It really is bad form to place referenced material in the infobox. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 05:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, yeah, I know I saw the auction piece someplace and will keep an eye out for it. I just think the infoboxes look kind of tacky, and if you already have the Steve Adams piece in the article, it may not be as pertinent in the infobox. It's why I didn't give a reference there for the Stevie Ray Vaughn Fender Strat guitar, since I'd placed it in the text-- I felt it redundant. Please reconsider about the infobox. On other articles, usually the Alias section is used for better-known alternate nicknames, or whatever. Honestly, I mean no harm, just thinking of aesthetics. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 10:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, in attempting to begin a song page for " Lady D'Arbanville", I got halfway done before realizing the title was not " My Lady D'Arbanville"-- horrible screw up and now needing your help in salting the page and moving what's there thus far under the correct title. DAMN I AM SO PISSED WITH MYSELF I CAN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU!!!! HELP! -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 04:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need to add Sec of State to the infobox? That is the problem with Wikipedia, people jump the gun too quickly. What is the problem with waiting until Jan 20, 2009? CTJF83 Talk 21:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
(Outdent) I'd support deleting those Cabinet post-designates from the Infoboxes. GoodDay ( talk) 23:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Hiya Tvoz. I think I'll let other handle those bio articles infoboxes. Somebody has been changing the Secy of X-designate to Secy of X-nominee. As I understood it, only the President can nominate somebody for those positions. Obama is only the President-elect, his choices for these position won't be sent to the Senate, until after he takes office. GoodDay ( talk) 20:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Nothing up to your fame (congrats), but did find the citation for the Vonegut quotation. Google had it hidden as an "omitted result."-- Beth Wellington ( talk) 22:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Tvoz, I reverted your edit on Caylee. The claim that remains were found was referenced. No problem there. I DID remove the speculation that it might be Caylee. That wasn't referenced in any way. Feel free to change it up if you want to, I've just been checking it for speculation and stuff today! :) Thanks ! KoshVorlon > rm -r WP:F.U.R 21:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Tvoz -- something to celebrate! I'm sure you haven't forgotten that horrific CFD last year that resulted in the deletion of all of the sub-cats of Category:African American sportspeople. It was just overturned at DRV -- in a UNANIMOUS decision -- and all of those categories have now been restored. Next up: ethnic-American journalists. I'm not sure when, but I'll give you a heads up. At long last, sanity has prevailed! Cgingold ( talk) 12:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I went back to edit a comment that could have been read as dismissive about chubby black females, which was not my intention, but rather to be dismissive of the question. I saw where you had deleted the question, which was a good call. I'm only sorry that my ill though out comment will be recorded for posterity in the shape that it was in when I left it. No big deal, but someoen might have been offendedm, which again was not my goal. Die4Dixie ( talk) 23:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I left my computer unattended for about 30 seconds while I was on the Obama talk page and my 13 month old somehow managed to get to your contribs and rollback your edit. I would have explained earlier but I didn't really think it was a big deal. Landon1980 ( talk) 20:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Here: Template talk:Obama family#Ugly. Thanks. Just tips me hat but then 〜on thought bows deeply … 23:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
OK. That's a good point. Grundle2600 ( talk) 12:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I have posted a reply to your enquiry at Talk:Barack_Obama,_Sr.#.22contradictory.22_tag. Arjun G. Menon ( talk · mail) 21:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
edit summary-- brew crewer (yada, yada) 20:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Tvoz, I noticed that there's a discrepancy between Uncle Hugo's last name and that of Cat Stevens' mom. Can you figure out which is the proper spelling? We have this: the mother is "Ingrid Wickman (b. 1915)", and later, "his uncle Hugo Wickham, a painter."- which is the correct last name? Thanks. -- leahtwosaints ( talk) 10:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
You might want to check a Spanish-English dictionary before correcting Spanish-language gang name spellings. The correct spelling is CATORCE (Spanish for 14), and not a derivative version of quatro (four) as your change suggests. The edit has been reverted. Drmargi ( talk) 01:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)