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{{ User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} You just reverted my edit on Bridget (Guilty Gear), and saying that my clarifications based on the fact that his gender identity is clearly male in the original Japanese and inconclusive at best in English weren’t “encyclopedic”, and that I should “read the talk page”. I’ve read the talk page, and frankly, the talk page seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of the view that Bridget is not a trans woman by any means, at least not officially, and definitely not in all regions. Can you un-revert my edit? Thanks for your consideration. Yndtbt ( talk) 05:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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I understand where you are coming from, and that you try to separate your position as an employee of the WMF from your position as a volunteer on Wikipedia, but I don't believe it is possible to do to a sufficient extend to avoid
WP:INVOLVED issues in this case as the block is related to their work with the WMF as you acknowledged when you said Except these aren't researchers doing research about Wikipedia's content, processes, and the people involved, they're employees of the Foundation who build the software you use and maintain the servers it runs on — NOTLAB therefore doesn't apply.
And even if it was unrelated to their work, you are far to close to them in the organizational structure to be issuing such unblocks without WP:INVOLVED issues; you both work in Test Engineering Support. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
I think you have inadvertently described why I can separate my position — a block related to their work was addressed by me in a role which I do not (and can not) have in the course of my job.- Can you clarify what you mean by that?
a block related to their work was addressed by me in a role which I do not (and can not) have in the course of my job." I was alluding to the fact that I could only ever (un)block an account in the role of a volunteer, which (and this is something we disagree on) means I'll only ever evaluate the situation from the point of view of a volunteer.
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I came across the current thread at AN by coincidence. Since being divested of any use I may have been in any of Wikipedia's back rooms, processes, and content quality control, I rarely venture into governance areas. I think Joe Roe’s explanation makes sense. You have nevertheless quite rightly opened a can of worms and I’ll continue on a slightly off-topic tone because it needs to be said:
The Arbitration Committee needs more than just a pulse check. In some ways, some its various compositions have been perceived as having become such a law unto themselves that it needs a sanity check. Many of the holders of advanced rights and most of the members of Arbcom think they are doing the right thing. Although flat hierarchies have been all the rage in socio-political movements since 1968, it’s quite surprising however, just how much the governance of Wikipedia by its ANI and its Arbcom has actually become almost dystopian - a kind of mix of Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm with a bit of 1984 thrown in.
There are some nice people on the Committee, but there have sometimes been some catastrophically inept or unpleasant ones. The latter have generally been the power seekers. As soon as an editor has been elected to Arbcom, they have automatically put themselves one step outside the ‘community’. Today’s Arbcom has become one huge bureaucracy. It probably does a good job of shifting the junk, but as a governing body its concept has possibly outlived its usefulness and it should probably be replaced by something completely different. The question is, what? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 20:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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There's no time for editors who literally come to your talk page to belittle you, but then go to AN over a valid reaction to an insulting and nasty remark. I've looked up to you as an editor for months, you're beyond valued. Don't interact with that thread, not worth your time whatsoever. ♥ — VersaceSpace 🌃 23:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Regardless of any ArbCom decisions, attacks from other editors who really should know better, and all the other bullshit, you are valued. Don't ever forget that. You've done so much to keep Wikipedia a healthy place for editors to build an encyclopedia. And I'm far from the only one who thinks so. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 16:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear it's getting you down. I decided to paint you a little bird to compensate with some positivity. I just wish we could give all parties in a dispute hot chocolates when things get heated, which they would have to enjoy before commenting again. —Femke 🐦 ( talk) 14:13, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi TheresNoTime, in the open Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 00:05, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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TNT, I have something to say to you concerning everything that has happened from discussions on arbcom to AN and everything in between. You are an extremely invaluable part of this encyclopedia community but even more so as a member of the human community. No matter what tries to bring you down, always remember that your value is not based on what happens here. It is measured by the experiences you have, the emotions you emit, the colors you reveal along the way, the Song you sing, and all of it is stunningly beautiful. I appreciate you. -- ARose Wolf 19:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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I saw your desysop request on the Bureaucrat's noticeboard and it surprised me. Apparently it's something relating to arbcom. And then I see your userpage which seems to state that you are leaving. I do not wish to know any details as I do not want this drama to be on my mind throughout the rest of the day, influencing my work elsewhere. However I do want to say this: Thank you for all that you've done. You and so many other admins have helped guide me on the right path after my rough start here on Wikipedia. Without you guys, I highly doubt I would be where I am today. You guys don't always seem to get the appreciation that you deserve, however you still deserve it regardless. So long TNT, and stay foxy, much love. (yes I did steal that from a Youtuber but it works here perfectly well) ― Blaze Wolf TalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
You are a disgrace to the project and deserve this humiliation. I am glad that Athaenara's sacrifice led to something good. 2409:4071:4E13:9BC2:0:0:43C8:B912 ( talk) 13:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey TNT, I'm sorry to see that you've resigned but I understand why. You were a fantastic administrator and I, as well as many others I'm sure, learned a lot from you. Thank you for everything that you've done. You seem like a great person and I hope life treats you well. Hey man im josh ( talk) 14:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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It’s too bad your functionary status is being revoked. How about a nice cupcake instead? 72.205.180.84 ( talk) 14:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
Hey TNT, I have just seen your admins' rights being revoked, and seeing your message on your user page. I'm sorry you had to go; you were a truly amazing editor and admininistrator. Sometimes, you were influencial in helping others to help them how to edit and helped the Wikipedia community very much here. I am sorry that you have to go; I wish you luck in your bright future. Sarrail ( talk) 14:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
TNT, Theres always time for friendships, and I want to absolutely thank you for your service on Wikipedia, You have been extremely friendly, to me, to other editors, and to the discord server. You have assisted me in understanding and learning wikipedia editing and for that i am ever grateful. I do hope to see you return to WP or at least at all again sometime. Mistakes happen, if they didnt the world would be extremely and drastically different than what it is now. I do wish you the best of luck in any and all future endeavors. You are in my heart, dont forget that. Goodnight. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
"See above. I know no one is asking me to explain how calling someone who has publicly disclosed a condition which can cause actual delusions "delusional" is ableist" is something you put on WP:AN. I'm trying to figure out how someone is to know you have a publically disclosed condition. My sense was that you were just baiting him, but looking at your history that doesn't seem likely. But A) I don't think most people research people they are discussing things with and B) I'm not clear how such research would have found anything as a 2 minute search by me on your pages didn't turn up anything. I'm just frustrated because I regard Spartaz as an "honorable opponent"--someone I rarely agree with but greatly respect. I know him well enough in our years here that I'd expect him to treat your comments as though you were calling him a bigot--which isn't an unreasonable reading of what you said IMO. Ah well, I don't think this is recoverable at this point as I think it unlikely you'd apologize for it. But it is really frustrating. Thanks for listening. Hobit ( talk) 16:17, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi TNT. I'm sorry to see you go, and I really hate to pile more on your shoulders right now, but could you please consider revising the statement that is currently on your talk user page? People generally get a lot of slack when it comes to criticising ArbCom as whole, but I think accusing specific arbs of misconduct, with diffs, takes you into bright-line
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I've said before that the wiki, and especially ArbCom, has a massive problem with how transphobia has been institutionalised (going back to at least El Sandifer being blocked under rather spurious circumstances). The circumstances of the Athaenara block seems to be a re-run of the whole Bedford controversy fifteen years ago (half a lifetime to me!), and, by the way, thank you for excising that cancer a few months ago.
Honestly, the block was completely justified, as there is no excuse for an admin making those sorts of comments about other editors (over a long period of time), and you were completely justified in suspecting possible Loudres' account may have been compromised (either socially or technologically). Should you yourself have done it? Probably not, and it's a testament to your maturity that you were willing to accept that.
But, whenever I've seen your ship pass mine in the night on the encyclopedia, you've always seemed to be a level-headed individual, and most importantly, one whose level head remains firmly in the real world, which can't be said for a lot of seasoned editors.
I understand wanting a break, and I understand not wanting to come back, but don't let it be on their terms. To quote the great literary hero Samwise Gamgee (by way of Peter Jackson), "a new day will come, and when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer". Until then, take care of yourself. Sceptre ( talk) 15:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Like those above, I, too, am sad to see you leave enwiki. You were the reason that I filed to became an administrator and were a tremendous help to me over these past 5 years. You'll be sorely missed by many and your contributions are greatly appreciated. You know how to reach me; please keep in touch. I wish you the best with your future endeavours. ♥ TheSandDoctor Talk 15:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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Very sad to see you go - your work and remarkable kindness to newcomers have been incredibly valuable, and the project will be a lot worse off without you. I also wish you the best with your continued CommTech/WMF work - hopefully it will continue to be less stressful than the last few weeks have been. Remagoxer (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Thank you for all your contributions to Wikipedia, TNT. I am deeply sorry to hear the recent news. You truly are inspirational and stick up for your principles, and I've always admired these qualities, even if other editors believed you were blunt.
Back when you were running for RFA, one of your co-nominators described you as "definitely one of the most civil users online I've interacted with", and I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Hopefully, we'll cross paths again, but if that doesn't come to pass, I wish you all the best. Epicgenius ( talk) 16:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
Hello, TheresNoTime. The last time we had some meaningful interaction was on 2 March. That day, you taught me a powerful lesson: don't overreact to the situation. We all f—- up. Throughout your tenure as an administrator you saw too many, and always dealt with these in a level-headed, composed, and knowledgeable manner.
I owe a personal debt to you. You were the one that taught me so many things, and for so many months I have looked up to you in a positive manner.
Seeing how ArbCom has wronged you to the point where you leave, it leaves a hole in Wikipedia that will never be closed. ArbCom's policies definitely need a rewrite, not targeting their members.
If we meet again, be our guest. But if you decide to go and never return, I can only say I wish you the best in your future endeavors, and hopefully the stress of Wikipedia will be ridded and life becomes a little bit better.
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Sad to see you go. You were at great everything. NW1223< Howl at me• My hunts> 23:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
I just heard about the ArbCom case, and I'm sad to see you go. You were a great support as an admin and showed patience in dealing with the WPTC shenanigans over the time that I've known you. Also, I apologize about emailing you during this time. I didn't know all this was going on.
Thank you. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:52, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi TNT. I know you may or may not see this, but I wanted to say thanks for your edits to Wikipedia. You were very approachable, fun to talk to, yet had the interests of Wikipedia in the back of your head. I remember the fun chats we had on Discord and how you settled on some number of foxes in a trenchcoat before you left. 🦊
You are always welcome back here whenever. I remember sometimes there are times when I would need to take a step back from Wikipedia. I heard about the ArbCom case and yeah they came to a consensus to remove your checkuser and suppression perms. They never came to an agreement to desysop you, but then you resigned just a few hours ago.
Thanks so much for all the time and contributions that you put in on Wikipedia. I hope that you continue to have a wonderful time, be it on or off Wikipedia. Please continue your amazing work wherever you might, and please know that Wikipedia will welcome you back in the future. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 03:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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{{ User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} You just reverted my edit on Bridget (Guilty Gear), and saying that my clarifications based on the fact that his gender identity is clearly male in the original Japanese and inconclusive at best in English weren’t “encyclopedic”, and that I should “read the talk page”. I’ve read the talk page, and frankly, the talk page seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of the view that Bridget is not a trans woman by any means, at least not officially, and definitely not in all regions. Can you un-revert my edit? Thanks for your consideration. Yndtbt ( talk) 05:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
{{ User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} Hi TNT,
I understand where you are coming from, and that you try to separate your position as an employee of the WMF from your position as a volunteer on Wikipedia, but I don't believe it is possible to do to a sufficient extend to avoid
WP:INVOLVED issues in this case as the block is related to their work with the WMF as you acknowledged when you said Except these aren't researchers doing research about Wikipedia's content, processes, and the people involved, they're employees of the Foundation who build the software you use and maintain the servers it runs on — NOTLAB therefore doesn't apply.
And even if it was unrelated to their work, you are far to close to them in the organizational structure to be issuing such unblocks without WP:INVOLVED issues; you both work in Test Engineering Support. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
I think you have inadvertently described why I can separate my position — a block related to their work was addressed by me in a role which I do not (and can not) have in the course of my job.- Can you clarify what you mean by that?
a block related to their work was addressed by me in a role which I do not (and can not) have in the course of my job." I was alluding to the fact that I could only ever (un)block an account in the role of a volunteer, which (and this is something we disagree on) means I'll only ever evaluate the situation from the point of view of a volunteer.
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It's likely this is where I stop, down tools and instead have to defer any queer-coded disputes "to the cis", but it's at that point we begin to lose our voice and be oppressed. My last regret is not having the strength to stand up to bigots in high places. I'm sorry I let you down. — TheresNoTime ( talk • they/them) 10:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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What were ya'll discussing
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Would you mind having a look at this article again please? After your edit protection expired, it’s all kicking off again. Equine-man ( talk) 20:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
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I came across the current thread at AN by coincidence. Since being divested of any use I may have been in any of Wikipedia's back rooms, processes, and content quality control, I rarely venture into governance areas. I think Joe Roe’s explanation makes sense. You have nevertheless quite rightly opened a can of worms and I’ll continue on a slightly off-topic tone because it needs to be said:
The Arbitration Committee needs more than just a pulse check. In some ways, some its various compositions have been perceived as having become such a law unto themselves that it needs a sanity check. Many of the holders of advanced rights and most of the members of Arbcom think they are doing the right thing. Although flat hierarchies have been all the rage in socio-political movements since 1968, it’s quite surprising however, just how much the governance of Wikipedia by its ANI and its Arbcom has actually become almost dystopian - a kind of mix of Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm with a bit of 1984 thrown in.
There are some nice people on the Committee, but there have sometimes been some catastrophically inept or unpleasant ones. The latter have generally been the power seekers. As soon as an editor has been elected to Arbcom, they have automatically put themselves one step outside the ‘community’. Today’s Arbcom has become one huge bureaucracy. It probably does a good job of shifting the junk, but as a governing body its concept has possibly outlived its usefulness and it should probably be replaced by something completely different. The question is, what? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 20:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Burgers are known to sustain and comfort people as they fight the good fight. I hope you feel better soon. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 22:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC) |
There's no time for editors who literally come to your talk page to belittle you, but then go to AN over a valid reaction to an insulting and nasty remark. I've looked up to you as an editor for months, you're beyond valued. Don't interact with that thread, not worth your time whatsoever. ♥ — VersaceSpace 🌃 23:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Regardless of any ArbCom decisions, attacks from other editors who really should know better, and all the other bullshit, you are valued. Don't ever forget that. You've done so much to keep Wikipedia a healthy place for editors to build an encyclopedia. And I'm far from the only one who thinks so. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 16:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear it's getting you down. I decided to paint you a little bird to compensate with some positivity. I just wish we could give all parties in a dispute hot chocolates when things get heated, which they would have to enjoy before commenting again. —Femke 🐦 ( talk) 14:13, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi TheresNoTime, in the open Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 00:05, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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TNT, I have something to say to you concerning everything that has happened from discussions on arbcom to AN and everything in between. You are an extremely invaluable part of this encyclopedia community but even more so as a member of the human community. No matter what tries to bring you down, always remember that your value is not based on what happens here. It is measured by the experiences you have, the emotions you emit, the colors you reveal along the way, the Song you sing, and all of it is stunningly beautiful. I appreciate you. -- ARose Wolf 19:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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.Would you consider just leaving WP for a day or two, and then, if you still feel like resigning the admin bit, do it then? Resigning the bit harms the project, not the people who disappointed you. I mean, obviously do what is best for you, but maybe give yourself a little time to see if your perspective changes? Floquenbeam ( talk) 12:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. 0x Deadbeef→∞ ( talk to me) 13:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
And a sunflower, to be present in rainy days.
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I saw your desysop request on the Bureaucrat's noticeboard and it surprised me. Apparently it's something relating to arbcom. And then I see your userpage which seems to state that you are leaving. I do not wish to know any details as I do not want this drama to be on my mind throughout the rest of the day, influencing my work elsewhere. However I do want to say this: Thank you for all that you've done. You and so many other admins have helped guide me on the right path after my rough start here on Wikipedia. Without you guys, I highly doubt I would be where I am today. You guys don't always seem to get the appreciation that you deserve, however you still deserve it regardless. So long TNT, and stay foxy, much love. (yes I did steal that from a Youtuber but it works here perfectly well) ― Blaze Wolf TalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
You are a disgrace to the project and deserve this humiliation. I am glad that Athaenara's sacrifice led to something good. 2409:4071:4E13:9BC2:0:0:43C8:B912 ( talk) 13:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey TNT, I'm sorry to see that you've resigned but I understand why. You were a fantastic administrator and I, as well as many others I'm sure, learned a lot from you. Thank you for everything that you've done. You seem like a great person and I hope life treats you well. Hey man im josh ( talk) 14:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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It’s too bad your functionary status is being revoked. How about a nice cupcake instead? 72.205.180.84 ( talk) 14:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
Hey TNT, I have just seen your admins' rights being revoked, and seeing your message on your user page. I'm sorry you had to go; you were a truly amazing editor and admininistrator. Sometimes, you were influencial in helping others to help them how to edit and helped the Wikipedia community very much here. I am sorry that you have to go; I wish you luck in your bright future. Sarrail ( talk) 14:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
TNT, Theres always time for friendships, and I want to absolutely thank you for your service on Wikipedia, You have been extremely friendly, to me, to other editors, and to the discord server. You have assisted me in understanding and learning wikipedia editing and for that i am ever grateful. I do hope to see you return to WP or at least at all again sometime. Mistakes happen, if they didnt the world would be extremely and drastically different than what it is now. I do wish you the best of luck in any and all future endeavors. You are in my heart, dont forget that. Goodnight. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 14:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
"See above. I know no one is asking me to explain how calling someone who has publicly disclosed a condition which can cause actual delusions "delusional" is ableist" is something you put on WP:AN. I'm trying to figure out how someone is to know you have a publically disclosed condition. My sense was that you were just baiting him, but looking at your history that doesn't seem likely. But A) I don't think most people research people they are discussing things with and B) I'm not clear how such research would have found anything as a 2 minute search by me on your pages didn't turn up anything. I'm just frustrated because I regard Spartaz as an "honorable opponent"--someone I rarely agree with but greatly respect. I know him well enough in our years here that I'd expect him to treat your comments as though you were calling him a bigot--which isn't an unreasonable reading of what you said IMO. Ah well, I don't think this is recoverable at this point as I think it unlikely you'd apologize for it. But it is really frustrating. Thanks for listening. Hobit ( talk) 16:17, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi TNT. I'm sorry to see you go, and I really hate to pile more on your shoulders right now, but could you please consider revising the statement that is currently on your talk user page? People generally get a lot of slack when it comes to criticising ArbCom as whole, but I think accusing specific arbs of misconduct, with diffs, takes you into bright-line
WP:POLEMIC territory. Can you say what you want to say without singling out individuals? –
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I've said before that the wiki, and especially ArbCom, has a massive problem with how transphobia has been institutionalised (going back to at least El Sandifer being blocked under rather spurious circumstances). The circumstances of the Athaenara block seems to be a re-run of the whole Bedford controversy fifteen years ago (half a lifetime to me!), and, by the way, thank you for excising that cancer a few months ago.
Honestly, the block was completely justified, as there is no excuse for an admin making those sorts of comments about other editors (over a long period of time), and you were completely justified in suspecting possible Loudres' account may have been compromised (either socially or technologically). Should you yourself have done it? Probably not, and it's a testament to your maturity that you were willing to accept that.
But, whenever I've seen your ship pass mine in the night on the encyclopedia, you've always seemed to be a level-headed individual, and most importantly, one whose level head remains firmly in the real world, which can't be said for a lot of seasoned editors.
I understand wanting a break, and I understand not wanting to come back, but don't let it be on their terms. To quote the great literary hero Samwise Gamgee (by way of Peter Jackson), "a new day will come, and when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer". Until then, take care of yourself. Sceptre ( talk) 15:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Like those above, I, too, am sad to see you leave enwiki. You were the reason that I filed to became an administrator and were a tremendous help to me over these past 5 years. You'll be sorely missed by many and your contributions are greatly appreciated. You know how to reach me; please keep in touch. I wish you the best with your future endeavours. ♥ TheSandDoctor Talk 15:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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This place will be lesser without you, but I respect your decision. You deserve all of the barnstars, but I'll save you the spam and go with this one. Thank you for your (more than) 14 years of service to the 'pedia, my friend. TheSandDoctor Talk 15:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Very sad to see you go - your work and remarkable kindness to newcomers have been incredibly valuable, and the project will be a lot worse off without you. I also wish you the best with your continued CommTech/WMF work - hopefully it will continue to be less stressful than the last few weeks have been. Remagoxer (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Thank you for all your contributions to Wikipedia, TNT. I am deeply sorry to hear the recent news. You truly are inspirational and stick up for your principles, and I've always admired these qualities, even if other editors believed you were blunt.
Back when you were running for RFA, one of your co-nominators described you as "definitely one of the most civil users online I've interacted with", and I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Hopefully, we'll cross paths again, but if that doesn't come to pass, I wish you all the best. Epicgenius ( talk) 16:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
Hello, TheresNoTime. The last time we had some meaningful interaction was on 2 March. That day, you taught me a powerful lesson: don't overreact to the situation. We all f—- up. Throughout your tenure as an administrator you saw too many, and always dealt with these in a level-headed, composed, and knowledgeable manner.
I owe a personal debt to you. You were the one that taught me so many things, and for so many months I have looked up to you in a positive manner.
Seeing how ArbCom has wronged you to the point where you leave, it leaves a hole in Wikipedia that will never be closed. ArbCom's policies definitely need a rewrite, not targeting their members.
If we meet again, be our guest. But if you decide to go and never return, I can only say I wish you the best in your future endeavors, and hopefully the stress of Wikipedia will be ridded and life becomes a little bit better.
Fare thee well, and thank you, TheresNoTime. I hope you come back someday. 🙏 — 3PPYB6 ( T / C / L) — 17:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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Sad to see you go. You were at great everything. NW1223< Howl at me• My hunts> 23:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
I just heard about the ArbCom case, and I'm sad to see you go. You were a great support as an admin and showed patience in dealing with the WPTC shenanigans over the time that I've known you. Also, I apologize about emailing you during this time. I didn't know all this was going on.
Thank you. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:52, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi TNT. I know you may or may not see this, but I wanted to say thanks for your edits to Wikipedia. You were very approachable, fun to talk to, yet had the interests of Wikipedia in the back of your head. I remember the fun chats we had on Discord and how you settled on some number of foxes in a trenchcoat before you left. 🦊
You are always welcome back here whenever. I remember sometimes there are times when I would need to take a step back from Wikipedia. I heard about the ArbCom case and yeah they came to a consensus to remove your checkuser and suppression perms. They never came to an agreement to desysop you, but then you resigned just a few hours ago.
Thanks so much for all the time and contributions that you put in on Wikipedia. I hope that you continue to have a wonderful time, be it on or off Wikipedia. Please continue your amazing work wherever you might, and please know that Wikipedia will welcome you back in the future. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 03:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)