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I appreciate you may see yourself as some sort of "guardian angel" role, but please do not start adding fuel to this. This article has only a small portion of its core references on EMCs as "primary" material. All of them are co-written. All of the "primary material" has been reviewed over the course of over TWENTY YEARS by a number of third parties, including SINTEF, various trade journals and journalists in the trade, WBCSD, U.S FHWA, TXDOT, PENNDOT, CALTRANS, etc.
So can we keep this focused? I have written the section on Pozzolanic chemistry (in concretes) and the section of tribochemistry as examples. Thanks and kind regards 213.66.81.80 ( talk) 11:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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Why thanks very much! I'm not even sure which of the three (or four? they're a blur) ANI threads I was involved in that you're referring to. See, I was dragged into one just as I was about to go away for a few days, and then I returned to find the person who did the dragging was himself being led before a firing squad. That led to me to think, "gee, what a nice thing ANI is." So I participated in a couple and got yelled at. Oh no! The stress! The stress! But I can take it. Anyway, thanks again. I'm probably going to de-watchlist ANI as it makes my eyes bloodshot. Coretheapple ( talk) 18:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Nice GAN, but a quick glance at the article shows you are missing inline sources in many places. Because this is a BLP, I'm concerned that a reviewer might quick fail it. As a rule of thumb, try to have each a citation at the end of each paragraph that supports the text preceding it. If you can't do that, add it at the end of each sentence. Viriditas ( talk) 10:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Hallo again, we have progress - the reviewer has marked OK on many of the GA criteria. He wants some text rewritten or extended - please see the GA review. I'll have a go at the lead, if you could possibly have a go at his requests for the body, and we'll have a GA. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 08:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Snow, Thought I'd drop a line here instead of going further off-topic on the ref desk! I think we'd agree that it's silly to define things as solely human phenomena, only because we lack evidence in other organisms. But I do wonder if "cognition" is not too narrowly defined in our article. To me, it seems that certain aspects of e.g. insect and plant behavior could be considered a type of cognition, especially in the realm of decision making. Why would a plant grow towards the light, or a roach run to the dark? Is it not some type of decision, based on information (or at least stimulus or perception)? Even if we think of it as an "automatic" response, akin to an algorithm, is not the decision still made? There's also some conflation I didn't want to get into, with respect to what an individual "chooses" in a circumstance, vs. what evolution has produced in terms of genetically controlled behavior-- maybe the roach has no will or "choice" in the matter at all. I only have passing knowledge of cognitive science, my forte is more towards math and plant ecology. The bits on physiology and signalling I mentioned today are just a by-product of my endeavors. Anyway, fascinating stuff, hope to see you around the ref desks more! SemanticMantis ( talk) 22:52, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I find the insinuation in this edit comment that I perhaps shouldn't be editing the article anyway deeply unhelpful. Kindly engage instead on the article talk page ( here). Thank you. 86.141.190.114 ( talk) 07:17, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
As regards the personal angle, yes I would be grateful if this could end (including the "argument from authority" approach). As a professional writer, I do not take lightly to such disdain. Kindly note that I have tried to confine all personal considerations to this user talk page, where of course you are free to remove them :)
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Thank you for your interesting comments, including the scholarly one on the talk page. That of course is really the appropriate place for content discussion, but as I'd like to take a break for a day or two I'm replying rapidly here so as to acknowledge your work (something I believe is important among Wikipedia volunteers).
Fwiw, I was the "original author" of the sentence, and I certainly don't pretend it was ideally worded. In particular, the "the masterpiece" blooper was an inappropriately expressed paraphrase the Britannica's judgement, "Stylistically, it is the most perfect example of Italian classical prose...".
Given the historical and artistic relevance of The Decameron, I feel the page is a key one, irrespective of traffic stats. I don't pretend to be the right person to do the work the page is crying out for... What I did try to do was to provide it with a reasonably worded lead [1]. But I wholeheartedly agree that there is ample space for improvement there... Imo, it's important for us to follow the spirit of WP:LEAD here: in particular, given the fame of the topic I feel we should be writing for the broadest readership possible. That was why I insisted in this case. The observation that we both found that each others' wording left something to be desired makes me think that it might be better to rewrite the sentence from scratch (as you seem to be suggesting above). Perhaps to keep things as simple as possible, it might be best to leave out the term "vernacular" altogether?
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I am one of those administrative exemptions you talked about? As an admin who's sincerely attempting to unblock Wondering, you basically just told him to "don't answer the questions". You might want to rethink that. the panda ₯’ 09:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, are you following the discussion of the Steven Pinker GA? The review is now under way and actions are starting to be needed. I've fielded a couple but as nom it's basically your turn now... Chiswick Chap ( talk) 07:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello again. We're making progress. I wondered if you could respond to the specific comment "The research section still lacks fleshing out - specially his transition form his work on visual cognition to his work on language and the influence of Roger Brown." I could hunt about on JSTOR but wondered if you could do it more easily - or perhaps point me in a sensible direction? Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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Dear Snow, it has been a great privilege reading your rational and penetrating commentaries surrounding the sordid "Jews & Communism" article at various forums. Your accurate summaries and incomparable logic set the tone for a high caliber debate. I was immensely struck by your uncanny ability to almost "read the minds" of the protagonists and to call a spade a spade correctly from which they could not escape. Your commitment to Wikipedia and to help it is inspiring, even at the cost of entering into controversial turf where you have nothing to gain except the goal of ensuring that Wikipedia remain a respectable and responsible source of human knowledge and not a cesspool of pseudo-scholarship. Thank you so much for your dedication to and love of Wikipedia. Yours sincerely, IZAK ( talk) 10:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC) |
:) Thank you, IZAK - that means quite a bit to me, truly. Like most everyone who got swept up in the affair, I couldn't have known how expansive the series of discussions would be, but I determined early that if we kept our contributions upon our community standards, and upon civility in particular then everything else would be much more likely to work itself out, which, some snags not withstanding, it did. In that regard, I owe you a bit of a debt; early on in the ANI thread which marked my first involvement in the matter, I couldn't tell left from right, there was so much volume from different parties, and several of your postings were immensely helpful in cutting through that noise to understand what had transpired. I've said before that my pride in this project extends not just from the content we provide but also from the means we've developed for putting it together and collaborating with one-another to that end. A situation like this, contentious though it might have been at times, only reaffirms that feeling for me. Sure, there may be a party or three that I worry didn't take away quite the right lessons I think they might have, but on the balance, we're usually stronger and more sensible editors for each such situation, and more limber in our reactions to the next one. Because of the seriousness of the matter, this was a real test to our abilities and to the responsiveness of our policies and, some hiccups not withstanding, I think we have reason to be proud of both. Thank you for your kind words -- I'll remember them -- and for your own contributions in the affair and general dedication to our project and community. Snow talk 11:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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"collaboration is more than half the fun"
Thank you, editor with "a thorough understanding of how this little project of ours operates", for quality contributions to articles on life sciences, perception, and their people such as
Steven Pinker and a revision of
Pathology, for work on the reference desk, and
requesting the community to comment where "misinterpretation conflicts with many policies, accepted discussion guidelines and broad community consensus", for the image of a username and for "collaboration is more than half the fun. :) ", - you are an
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Hello, I’m contacting you because you are a participant in WikiProject Dance. Myself and another editor, User:Mwacha are interested in developing some notability guidelines on WikiProject Dance for dancers, dance critics, performers, and other genre articles as there is no such thing at the moment comparable to what I have heard other editors use for Visual Arts, IE “if they are collected in a major museum, then they are considered notable.” There are of course exceptions to this standard but it is nice to have a rule of thumb to help with AfD, and other moderated discussions. We hope to start this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance#Notability Guidelines. OR drohowa ( talk) 18:53, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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Snow Rise, when I built the callbacks section, I used season 10's as a template, which is where "Cha-cha-cha" came from. So if you want a consistent spelling, then old articles should probably be checked, especially the tenth season. BlueMoonset ( talk) 20:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello there Snow! I am noticing that you are using some old obsolete HTML <
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[[User:Snow Rise|'''''<span style="color:#19a0fd;">S</span><span style="color:#66c0fd;">n</span><span style="color:#99d5fe;">o</span><span style="color:#b2dffe;">w</span>''''']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|talk]]
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[[User:Snow Rise|''<b style="color:#19A0FD">S</b><b style="color:#66C0FD">n</b><b style="color:#99D5FE">o</b><b style="color:#B2DFFE">w</b>'']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|talk]]
which will result in a 172 character long signature (6 characters shorter) with an appearance of:
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I appreciate you may see yourself as some sort of "guardian angel" role, but please do not start adding fuel to this. This article has only a small portion of its core references on EMCs as "primary" material. All of them are co-written. All of the "primary material" has been reviewed over the course of over TWENTY YEARS by a number of third parties, including SINTEF, various trade journals and journalists in the trade, WBCSD, U.S FHWA, TXDOT, PENNDOT, CALTRANS, etc.
So can we keep this focused? I have written the section on Pozzolanic chemistry (in concretes) and the section of tribochemistry as examples. Thanks and kind regards 213.66.81.80 ( talk) 11:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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Why thanks very much! I'm not even sure which of the three (or four? they're a blur) ANI threads I was involved in that you're referring to. See, I was dragged into one just as I was about to go away for a few days, and then I returned to find the person who did the dragging was himself being led before a firing squad. That led to me to think, "gee, what a nice thing ANI is." So I participated in a couple and got yelled at. Oh no! The stress! The stress! But I can take it. Anyway, thanks again. I'm probably going to de-watchlist ANI as it makes my eyes bloodshot. Coretheapple ( talk) 18:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Nice GAN, but a quick glance at the article shows you are missing inline sources in many places. Because this is a BLP, I'm concerned that a reviewer might quick fail it. As a rule of thumb, try to have each a citation at the end of each paragraph that supports the text preceding it. If you can't do that, add it at the end of each sentence. Viriditas ( talk) 10:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Hallo again, we have progress - the reviewer has marked OK on many of the GA criteria. He wants some text rewritten or extended - please see the GA review. I'll have a go at the lead, if you could possibly have a go at his requests for the body, and we'll have a GA. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 08:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Snow, Thought I'd drop a line here instead of going further off-topic on the ref desk! I think we'd agree that it's silly to define things as solely human phenomena, only because we lack evidence in other organisms. But I do wonder if "cognition" is not too narrowly defined in our article. To me, it seems that certain aspects of e.g. insect and plant behavior could be considered a type of cognition, especially in the realm of decision making. Why would a plant grow towards the light, or a roach run to the dark? Is it not some type of decision, based on information (or at least stimulus or perception)? Even if we think of it as an "automatic" response, akin to an algorithm, is not the decision still made? There's also some conflation I didn't want to get into, with respect to what an individual "chooses" in a circumstance, vs. what evolution has produced in terms of genetically controlled behavior-- maybe the roach has no will or "choice" in the matter at all. I only have passing knowledge of cognitive science, my forte is more towards math and plant ecology. The bits on physiology and signalling I mentioned today are just a by-product of my endeavors. Anyway, fascinating stuff, hope to see you around the ref desks more! SemanticMantis ( talk) 22:52, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I find the insinuation in this edit comment that I perhaps shouldn't be editing the article anyway deeply unhelpful. Kindly engage instead on the article talk page ( here). Thank you. 86.141.190.114 ( talk) 07:17, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
As regards the personal angle, yes I would be grateful if this could end (including the "argument from authority" approach). As a professional writer, I do not take lightly to such disdain. Kindly note that I have tried to confine all personal considerations to this user talk page, where of course you are free to remove them :)
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Thank you for your interesting comments, including the scholarly one on the talk page. That of course is really the appropriate place for content discussion, but as I'd like to take a break for a day or two I'm replying rapidly here so as to acknowledge your work (something I believe is important among Wikipedia volunteers).
Fwiw, I was the "original author" of the sentence, and I certainly don't pretend it was ideally worded. In particular, the "the masterpiece" blooper was an inappropriately expressed paraphrase the Britannica's judgement, "Stylistically, it is the most perfect example of Italian classical prose...".
Given the historical and artistic relevance of The Decameron, I feel the page is a key one, irrespective of traffic stats. I don't pretend to be the right person to do the work the page is crying out for... What I did try to do was to provide it with a reasonably worded lead [1]. But I wholeheartedly agree that there is ample space for improvement there... Imo, it's important for us to follow the spirit of WP:LEAD here: in particular, given the fame of the topic I feel we should be writing for the broadest readership possible. That was why I insisted in this case. The observation that we both found that each others' wording left something to be desired makes me think that it might be better to rewrite the sentence from scratch (as you seem to be suggesting above). Perhaps to keep things as simple as possible, it might be best to leave out the term "vernacular" altogether?
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I am one of those administrative exemptions you talked about? As an admin who's sincerely attempting to unblock Wondering, you basically just told him to "don't answer the questions". You might want to rethink that. the panda ₯’ 09:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, are you following the discussion of the Steven Pinker GA? The review is now under way and actions are starting to be needed. I've fielded a couple but as nom it's basically your turn now... Chiswick Chap ( talk) 07:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello again. We're making progress. I wondered if you could respond to the specific comment "The research section still lacks fleshing out - specially his transition form his work on visual cognition to his work on language and the influence of Roger Brown." I could hunt about on JSTOR but wondered if you could do it more easily - or perhaps point me in a sensible direction? Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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Dear Snow, it has been a great privilege reading your rational and penetrating commentaries surrounding the sordid "Jews & Communism" article at various forums. Your accurate summaries and incomparable logic set the tone for a high caliber debate. I was immensely struck by your uncanny ability to almost "read the minds" of the protagonists and to call a spade a spade correctly from which they could not escape. Your commitment to Wikipedia and to help it is inspiring, even at the cost of entering into controversial turf where you have nothing to gain except the goal of ensuring that Wikipedia remain a respectable and responsible source of human knowledge and not a cesspool of pseudo-scholarship. Thank you so much for your dedication to and love of Wikipedia. Yours sincerely, IZAK ( talk) 10:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC) |
:) Thank you, IZAK - that means quite a bit to me, truly. Like most everyone who got swept up in the affair, I couldn't have known how expansive the series of discussions would be, but I determined early that if we kept our contributions upon our community standards, and upon civility in particular then everything else would be much more likely to work itself out, which, some snags not withstanding, it did. In that regard, I owe you a bit of a debt; early on in the ANI thread which marked my first involvement in the matter, I couldn't tell left from right, there was so much volume from different parties, and several of your postings were immensely helpful in cutting through that noise to understand what had transpired. I've said before that my pride in this project extends not just from the content we provide but also from the means we've developed for putting it together and collaborating with one-another to that end. A situation like this, contentious though it might have been at times, only reaffirms that feeling for me. Sure, there may be a party or three that I worry didn't take away quite the right lessons I think they might have, but on the balance, we're usually stronger and more sensible editors for each such situation, and more limber in our reactions to the next one. Because of the seriousness of the matter, this was a real test to our abilities and to the responsiveness of our policies and, some hiccups not withstanding, I think we have reason to be proud of both. Thank you for your kind words -- I'll remember them -- and for your own contributions in the affair and general dedication to our project and community. Snow talk 11:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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"collaboration is more than half the fun"
Thank you, editor with "a thorough understanding of how this little project of ours operates", for quality contributions to articles on life sciences, perception, and their people such as
Steven Pinker and a revision of
Pathology, for work on the reference desk, and
requesting the community to comment where "misinterpretation conflicts with many policies, accepted discussion guidelines and broad community consensus", for the image of a username and for "collaboration is more than half the fun. :) ", - you are an
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Hello, I’m contacting you because you are a participant in WikiProject Dance. Myself and another editor, User:Mwacha are interested in developing some notability guidelines on WikiProject Dance for dancers, dance critics, performers, and other genre articles as there is no such thing at the moment comparable to what I have heard other editors use for Visual Arts, IE “if they are collected in a major museum, then they are considered notable.” There are of course exceptions to this standard but it is nice to have a rule of thumb to help with AfD, and other moderated discussions. We hope to start this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance#Notability Guidelines. OR drohowa ( talk) 18:53, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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Snow Rise, when I built the callbacks section, I used season 10's as a template, which is where "Cha-cha-cha" came from. So if you want a consistent spelling, then old articles should probably be checked, especially the tenth season. BlueMoonset ( talk) 20:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello there Snow! I am noticing that you are using some old obsolete HTML <
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tags in your signature (there's a quite lengthy RfC about the use of obsolete code on
VPR if you're intrigued), and am wondering if you might be interested in updating it. If you are interested, I suggest replacing:
[[User:Snow Rise|'''''<span style="color:#19a0fd;">S</span><span style="color:#66c0fd;">n</span><span style="color:#99d5fe;">o</span><span style="color:#b2dffe;">w</span>''''']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|talk]]
with:
[[User:Snow Rise|''<b style="color:#19A0FD">S</b><b style="color:#66C0FD">n</b><b style="color:#99D5FE">o</b><b style="color:#B2DFFE">w</b>'']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|talk]]
which will result in a 172 character long signature (6 characters shorter) with an appearance of:
Snow
talk
compared to your existing 178 character long signature of:
Snow
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