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If we had a user award for clearsightedness, I would award it to you for this edit!- Simon Dodd { U· T· C· WP:LAW } 05:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I wantwed an admin who fights vandals. I need you.-- TheWave ( talk) 01:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The thing that got under my skin is that I had finally backed off from that guy, stopped watching his page, stopped watching his activities, etc., and then he goes dragging my name up again. If not for that, I wouldn't care even if the topic ban were revoked. Let him and others slug it out over the Obama pages. I stopped working with those pages months ago. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
[2] - Bingo!
from yet
another QuackGuru accused sockpuppet --
stmrlbs|
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06:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for making the edits to Chile. I am relatively new to the community, and was not exactly sure how to go about making edits to the protected page. Glad I went about it properly (if I did approach it in an unorthodox fashion, please let me know). Thanks again! Cmiych ( talk) 17:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I acknowledge that my edit [5] likely looks disruptive as well... i didnt mean to remove the comments only the closing of the discussion but was undone before i could undo my own edit...
this user has been previously indef-blocked for edit warrning and blocked for disruptive editing... and should know better... his edit warring continues and so does his disruptive editing (as you saw yesterday)... can something not be done?
70.71.22.45 ( talk) 06:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell. Any problem with me just rejecting this? There haven't been any previous methods of dispute resolution so we can direct them there. Hope you're well :-) Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 18:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abd-William M. Connolley/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abd-William M. Connolley/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 12:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I was not aware if someone had already filed a complaint based on my rough/un-detailed contents which I had posted on some administrator's talk page and on some un-related notice board. I have gathered enough sources to document this case based on the template of this notice-board now, I request Administrators to look into my contents and PLEASE DECIDE. As previously complained by another editor, User:YellowMonkey is already facing POV charges at "Neutral point of view/Noticeboard" where Editor in questions, i.e. User:Wikireader41 is the only editor supporting User:YellowMonkey. So while considering this relationship, I make a humble request to kindly make an impartial decision on my complaint which I am putting below:
I came across this, which seems wrong to me. It has a "talkarchive" header, but clearly is not an archive. I'm not sure where it came from, but think the page should redirect to Talk: Catholic Church and the contents be archived (could be 4a) on that page. Do you see any problems with that? If not, I will proceed to do that. Sunray ( talk) 23:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
What is the Wikipedia standard for this? If an article has a {{POV}} tag, and the POV/NPOV is being discussed on the talk page, should the POV be removed because there is a discussion, or remain until the discussion ends (and hopefully some consensus is reached)? -- stmrlbs| talk 21:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Your actions have been discussed here as relevant to an ongoing arbitration case. You may wish to comment. I have linked a prior version of the page because the person who added this material reverted it and then incorporated the material by reference to the reversion, so as to make it impossible for you simply to search for your name. (Hope that's not too confusing.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 01:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
There is some new action on this. [11] Would you be willing to take a look? Sunray ( talk) 20:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I have started this discussion in a good faith attempt to resolve this ongoing dispute. Any help you can lend in terms of mediating the discussion will be appreciated. Thanks. -- ǝʌlǝʍʇ ǝuo-ʎʇuǝʍʇ ssnɔsıp 20:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Recently you weighed in on an RFC dispute over sources at Talk:Herodotus where you appeared to agree with my assessment of the situation. The discussion has now reached a dead end with no resolution. From my point of view it is a simple rules violation and should have ended long ago with the exclusion of the material in question. A majority of the users who have weighed in over there appear to also agree. Yet the original editor continues to re-insert the material [12] (without even the bother of an edit summary) in violation, I believe, of WP:Burden. Doesn't he have to make his case definitively before he can add the stuff back in?
Could you please advise me on what my next step should be? Is it time for formal mediation? I don't feel that he communicates in good faith as he continually ignores any point that goes to the heart of the matter. (I also feel like I'm being tag-teamed by another editor/admin who has historically come to his aid.) I don't want to get caught up in an edit war and yet what more can one do than revert material that violates the rules? Should I use the "Uw-unsourced" template on his talk page as a warning? As you can see I find myself on uncertain ground here. I'd appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks, Alcmaeonid ( talk) 17:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
significantly over at the R. L. Hymers article. I deleted this from the article, left this message on the user's page. You can see the editor's response and my reply. Any suggestions/feedback? Thanks. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 22:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I want to publish a page regarding an Organization and have created a write - up also keeping all the rules and regulations of Wiki in mind. I wanted to get it reviewed and have it published. It would be great if you could assist me.
Waiting for your reply -- Peswriter ( talk) 05:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I ran across the Comics Guaranty LLC page while doing typo patrol, and I couldn't help but notice that it's been semi-protected for over half a year. I am, however, not familiar with the article; is there any reason for it to be still protected? Sophus Bie ( talk) 21:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with this block. The original rationale, violation of 3RR, was baseless. There were only two reverts. And one of them to deal with vandalism by an obvious sockpuppet/meatpuppet with an IP address in Fairfield Iowa. There was no attempt to avoid the 3RR rule, the name change was obvious, and explained to all because the editor got fed up with being mistaken for a male. The "new" rationale for a ban is equally specious. The edits in question were pursuant to a suggestion by a neutral, disinteresed admin, WillBeback, who only got into the case following the refusal of some editors to abide by WP:COI. And the threats and incivility have been all in the other direction. Fladrif ( talk) 16:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
When I determined that 7thDr was using another account to avoid the block I investigated further. The second account was not being used properly - if 7thDr would like to use only that account, I'd be happy to reverse the blocks - but one does not use an alt account for participating in a discussion twice, edit warring along with your first account and certainly not to make personal attacks on other editors. After blocking Lotus Blossom, 7thDr continued to evade his block using other sleeper sock accounts. This is a very serious concern now. Shell babelfish 01:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell, thanks for the histpurges on these. One thing that bugs me though, I believe that you have purged both a bit too far in their history. Both had had the copyvio mostly removed by others but the articles are now credited to me (James) or a bot (Gopal). Is there any way to fix that so that the correct authors are attributed?
Thanks, and sorry for being a pain about this. MLauba ( talk) 08:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
You'll notice that my "attacks" were directed less at the user in question, and more at the attitude the user's userboxes conveyed. It's 2:41 AM here now, but I will be happy to discuss this further tomorrow if desired. Keepscases ( talk) 06:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Re your comment at Rlevse's talk, he helicoptered in and started shooting in all directions without first getting up to speed on the case. Just an ordinary day for an arb. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 16:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Responded to your question on my talk. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Shell. I think I may have figured out what you meant in this comment. I've added a clarification, "Supporting a position is not 'derailing'", to my own comment to try to overcome the mistaken appearance: [13]. I hope this succeeds in making my meaning clearer. ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 12:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess the bottom line is: Can you honestly look at the times he's encouraged banned users to circumvent their bans or the times he's called everyone "involved" that didn't support his outcome (oddly, those who do support him and meet the same criteria aren't involved) and still say that there is nothing wrong with his behavior? Shell babelfish 05:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I leave this message to inform you that I am seeking amendment and an ArbCom review of the Falun Gong topic ban you imposed. See [14]. ✔ Olaf Stephanos ✍ 18:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
Please don't capitalise specific and infraspecific epithets in the DEFAULTSORTs of taxon articles like this. I don't know where this sudden push to capitalise the first letter of every word in the DEFAULTSORT came from, but it was challenged and removed from WP:CAT a while back; yet people continue pushing it through with AWB. I've just had a long dispute with Rich Farmborough over this; see User talk:Rich Farmbrough#Defaultsorts on species, User talk:Rich Farmbrough#DEFAULTSORT on species again, User talk:Rich Farmbrough#DEFAULTSORT on species AGAIN_2. Please don't make me go through all this again. :-(
Hesperian 23:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, could you offer some help in a 6 day edit war over the addition of this statement "Nguyen-Khoa stated that the implementation of a peer review process would improve the site's legitimacy." to the Nguyen review in the Site Review section of the Quackwatch wikipedia article? The statement was derived from this statement "A giant step toward true legitimacy would involve active peer review of the articles to be published, a logical transition for a site that relies on so much of the accepted medical literature as its foundation." in the Nguyen review of the Quackwatch site which appears in the Consultant Pharmacist (American Society of Consultant Pharmacists. ). Quackguru has been reverting it for 6 days now with various reasons. Here is the last revert He is now claiming that Nguyen's view that peer-review would improve the Quackwatch site is a tiny minority view and therefore should not be in the article, as per WP:Weight. Can you give some guidance in this matter of WP:Weight if you have time? Here is the section on the talk page: Talk:Quackwatch#Nguyen_Review. I would appreciate any help you can give in this matter. -- stmrlbs| talk 08:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
After looking at the history of Quackwatch it does appear that QuackGuru is edit warring; I'm a bit concerned though that we've got anons popping up again and its a bigger concern that they always seem to pop up just in time to make it look like QuackGuru is the only one edit warring. I guess I'm going to have to ask a checkuser to flush the bin once and for all. Let me do some investigating and then I'll see if I can't wade in there too. Shell babelfish 12:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Quite frankly I've been tempted several times to comment on the talk page that both of these editors should be taken out behind the outhouse and given a good spanking. They have both been editing warring. There are no innocent parties here.
As to IPs, yes, they all need to be checked, especially 70.71.22.45 and two other related IPs from the same region:
They are all three four likely IP socks of the same user who refuses to use his registered username.
Brangifer (
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00:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your suggestion for more editors to get involved... I tried, and found that when things didn't go QuackGuru's way, he began to shuffle around the comments, using a totally deceptive edit summary, which I found to be unethical and manipulative, recasting the entire conversation in a different light, an assessment another editor agreed with. I tried to revert this nonsense a few times, only to find Ronz suddenly rabidly attacking me for it, demanding I apologize for insulting the great QuackGuru. I've decided the page isn't worth fighting over, QuackGuru's OWN issues are completely repulsive to a new editor, in both senses of the word. I'd also like permission to email you regarding another related matter. ThuranX ( talk) 17:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to make a note of something I was thinking about in one of the edit summary of 86.146.119.24:
here where
86.146.119.24 reverts my version of Nguyen's review back to QuackGuru's version - the comment is "(undo vandalism by 2 well known fringe pov pushers)". I've only been editing regularly since April 2009, and have only edited on a few articles, some about alternative medicine, some not. So, for this IP to make this remark, they must be familiar with the edits that I do on these few articles. The alternative articles that I've participated on aren't exactly high profile. The Quackwatch and Barrett articles have very low view counts. I've done some editing on Colloidal silver which has twice as many people looking at it as the Quackwatch/Barret articles - but it is usually pretty quiet with only about 3 regulars - 2 of them admins.. So, Quackwatch/Barrett, Colloidal Silver, and Chiropractic are it for the "fringe" articles in my editing history. I have also edited "Blood type diet" in the past, but added criticism of the theory for that article. So, I wouldn't be considered a "fringe POV pusher" by the regulars on that article. I would think this indicates a strong possibility of
86.146.119.24 being or knowing one of the regulars on the Quackwatch/Barrett, Chiropractic articles.
Of course, there is the possibility that I've become so well known in a few months that even fly by IPs are familiar with my "fame". (But I think the probability of that is minute) --
stmrlbs|
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08:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, I was away all weekend. I just got back and I am trying to catch up here (but at the same time trying to catch up in RL). Looks like you're off to a good start. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance here. Thanks. -- ǝʌlǝʍʇ ǝuo-ʎʇuǝʍʇ ssnɔsıp 16:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Located here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Chiropractic. Shell babelfish 22:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
As I've indicated (and Bullrangifer also commented) there is fairly strong evidence that range (among others) is being used improperly since there is more than one case where these IPs show up out of the blue when an edit war starts - the IPs all show evidence of understanding odd Wikipedia terms and only support a single POV. So whether or not all of the IPs specifically match-up with an editor, it seems obvious to me that someone is, at least, notifying people to come revert articles when they don't agree with the changes being made. This is just as serious a problem since it allows edit wars to continue past when folks would have been blocked for 3RR and the community considers those kinds of attempts to skew consensus to be disruptive.
You are welcome to comment in the "Comments by accused parties" section and add any evidence or thoughts you might have on the situation. If at all possible, its best to keep things brief and avoid arguments, though of course you are welcome to answer any claims made against you. There is some guidance available here as well. I hope that answers all your questions. If not, feel free to poke me again. Shell babelfish 15:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, one of the fans on my old laptop picked this afternoon to kick the can. I had written a draft of my comments this morning on that laptop.. unfortunately, I can't get to them. I am using my son's laptop, but I have to spend some time getting it up to date. I will submit my comments tonight after I write them up again. -- stmrlbs| talk 00:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Based on the checkuser and other factors, I have enacted some sanctions under the Pseudoscience arbitration. QuackGuru and Levine2112 are both banned from Chiropractic topics and Quackwatch for a term of six months. TheDoctorIsIn and WinrarWinner have been warned that they are limited to one account to use on these topics; any further logging out and editing these topics or discussion pages will result in either a block or ban. None of the other IPs/accounts checked came back with anything of note. Shell babelfish 06:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
In the SPI, when I asked BullRangifer about outting Levine2112, he said this:
I am going to skip BullRangifer's comments about his security issues. I might still be learning about Wikipedia policy, but even I know that BullRangifer's security issues do not give him any right to out other people. But, I do have 2 questions. BullRangifer seems to be saying that
-- stmrlbs| talk 09:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
OK, there seems to have been some confusion over what these reports are, how they work and what can be expected to happen. There is detailed information at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, but I'll try to summarize here:
SPI reports are filed when there is a concern that someone is operating multiple accounts (this includes the use of undisclosed anon IPs); "operating" can mean physically creating more than one account, logging out to avoid getting blocked for edit warring or calling friends to join in edit wars or discussions to support you. Almost always, SPI reports are about a single person; they are listed along with any accounts or IPs that are believed to be operated by them. The one I opened was very rare and only used to check cases where people might be violating ArbCom sanctions.
Now specifically about checkuser. This tool is only one of the bits of evidence used in a sockpuppet case. A few editors with the flag can check personally identifiable information of an editor/IP and thus compare them. This information is only kept on the server for a month or so, meaning that these checks need to be run as soon as possible, or risk the data not being available to compare. The Foundation privacy policy restricts checkusers from giving detailed information and places limits on why and how the checks can be run; details are at Wikipedia:CheckUser. Note that checks will not be run to "clear" a person, since the information can't really be used in that manner. You can say "Yes, this account and this account appear to be the same person" but not "No, this person didn't use other accounts".
As I mentioned, this particular case was rare which I believe is one of the reasons for the confusion; I apologize for that. As I've explained above, if you feel there is evidence that a particular editor is abusing multiple accounts, it is very likely that you will need to open your own case. Usually the evidence is considerably longer with many diffs to show the reasons why you believe the editor is using multiple accounts. If anyone would like assistance putting one together, I would be happy to help. Shell babelfish 03:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
For all your time and effort in addressing these problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I find the sockpuppet investigation extremely hard to edit since I'm down at the bottom. I put the section in so I didn't have to look all the time for my comment within what seems like pages of text and wikicode. How does doing this "break transclution" (what is transclution?)?
boy.. one thing about Wikipedia.. it is not user friendly (as far as editing). -- stmrlbs| talk 12:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Can you please revert the List of works by William Monahan to an earlier version before indef banned editors work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enders Conundrum ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
In the meantime I'm going to see about doing some of my own research to see if I can help correct the articles independently. Shell babelfish 14:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
As per our previous conversation and your statement here [44], I submitted a new SPI on BullRangifer. It was immediately closed with the reason that BullRangifer had already been run through checkuser. I left a note both on User_Talk:bjweeks and User_Talk:NuclearWarfare with a link to your instructions to resubmit the SPI. I wanted to let you know in case they contact you on this matter. -- stmrlbs| talk 02:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, you topic banned me from chiropractic about two weeks ago for the following reason:
While I have not edit warred in articles related to this topic, your ban was placed under the premise that I was editwarring vicariously through sock or meat puppets. However, in the two recent SPIs ( 1, 2), I was cleared of these charges both via CheckUser and by behavioral analysis. Unless there is some other way in which you feel that I was generally disrupting the editing and consensus process, I am here to informally request that you lift my topic ban. Thank you. -- ǝʌlǝʍʇ ǝuo-ʎʇuǝʍʇ ssnɔsıp 22:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
The checkuser came back as inconclusive and was unable to check the majority of IPs and accounts given. This is by no means makes you "cleared of these charges" especially since my behavioral analysis was based on far more than the single edit war presented in the SPI.
Your tenacity about having this ban lifted both here and in my email is starting to make me wonder if I didn't do the right thing after all. If you can't live without editing the topic for a couple of weeks, that's not a good sign. I understand that I have not gotten back with you as quickly as you would like, but as I'm sure you're aware, this is not a simple problem. Shell babelfish 18:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Ernst E (2008). "Chiropractic: a critical evaluation". J Pain Symptom Manage. 35 (5): 544–62.
doi:
10.1016/j.jpainsymman.2007.07.004.
PMID
18280103. Chiropractic is rooted in mystical concepts. This led to an internal conflict within the chiropractic profession, which continues today.
The text is sourced but Levine2112
reverted to the edit made by the IP. These two edits
[46]
[47] can't be a coincidence.
Reverted to revision 288781918 by 166.191.166.100; actually I just read the source. It says nothing about Mysticism... see talk. using TW Levine2112, please explain why you reverted to the IP and claimed there is nothing about Mysticism.
QuackGuru (
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18:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Chiropractic is rooted in mystical concepts. This led to an internal conflict within the chiropractic profession, which continues today.You don't need access to the full text to determine the text is sourced. The abstract verified the claim. You are lying the text is not sourced. When Levine2112 pretends the text is unsourced why is he allowed to return to the article in the future. QuackGuru ( talk) 19:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Levine, in response specifically to your questions about when you have edit warred or been disruptive, I've copied a bit of the list below that I used when determining sanctions. It is my opinion that on this particular topic area (or perhaps its when interacting with QuackGuru), you've been unable to take a step back and use proper dispute resolution processes; instead, your first response is to revert things you don't agree with and continue reverting them. For example (and not including any of the various IPs that also show up quickly to revert to your version who's ownership could not be determined):
Repeated reverts on Chiropractic History on the mysticism topic [48], [49], [50], [51]
Again on Chiropractic History, when your edit to change material you don't like is reverted, you revert to a previous version that did not include the material at all.
On Chiropratic, with each new issue that occurs, you are involved in the edit war. About a patient-centered approach [52], [53], [54], [55], over mysticism again here [56], [57], [58] and over pain management benefits [59], [60], [61] just to use examples since April of this year.
This edit warring, which most frequently stars QuackGuru and yourself, then moved on to the Chiropractic controversy and criticism article where you edit warred over article tags [62], [63], [64], [65] repeatedly.
Finally, just before the sanctions, repeated edit wars on QuackWatch finally resulted in article protection; your reverts there were part of a few editors warring over various items [66], [67], [68].
Obviously you are not the only editor who's been involved in these revert wars, but you and QuackGuru seem to make up the largest percentage of reverts during each incident. I'm glad to see you've been working hard in other areas since the ban; if you can remember to apply the same kind of positive energy when dealing with topics you feel strongly about, I'm sure you'll find that other editors will appreciate those efforts. Shell babelfish 03:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have a few seedwiki wikis that I want to copy over to a friend's MediaWiki site. I have managed to convert the markup, but do you know how we could go about uploading multiple wiki pages to MediaWiki? -- Surturz ( talk) 01:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, I wanted to let you know about this since I mention you in the events leading up this latest incident. The incident report [69] -- stmrlbs| talk 03:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
After this comment, I think a further block is needed and a checkuser to find the range they are on. I have a feeling we will be hearing from this guy for awhile. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 09:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello. As you know, an admin (KillerChi...) was outed as an admin who has a STRONG POV on the content subject (homeopathy) and therefore not a good "non-involved" admin to be working on the ANI. I welcome you...but I (and anyone who wishes to participate in the Talk or articles pages related to homeopathy) would benefit from knowing what serious "crime" I committed during the short period in July that I participated on wikipedia. Please be specific...and please also consider the several good RS, V, NPOV references that I provided (and for which some editors here have stonewalled). The various wiki editors who accused me of high crimes are all editors who believe that homeopathy is a complete fraud and now even an admin who posed to be neutral has now been shown to be non-neutral. I previously called for a non-involved admin, and you seem to fit the bill. However, because you have not commented at all, it would be beneficial for all involved to have your analysis of "the problem." I would also like your opinion on what can or should be done with admins who pose as non-involved editors but who are found to have strong POV on the content subject. DanaUllman Talk 20:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the "crime", as you call it, I believe that was thoroughly discussed both in the related arbitration case and in the thread I referenced when notifying you of the decision. I can see by that discussion that you do not agree your behavior was problematic; clearly a large number of editors disagree as did the Arbitration Committee when it banned you. If you would like to review specific instances, you might want to check the diffs provided in that thread which discussed continued advocacy on your part, misrepresentation of sources, misrepresenting the statements of others, misleading other editors regarding the nature of a discussion, and other actions that clearly cause misperceptions or obfuscate aspects of consensus discussions.
I'm not sure if anyone may have pointed this essay out to you before, but WP:TIGERS might be a good read. A particularly pertinent point is As a normal writer, strong views are a great help. But as a Wikipedia editor, they impose a special burden: because you are obligated to be fair to all sides, you must be especially careful that your views don't distort the article. - I would add that distorting discussions is also problematic. Because of your strong feelings about homeopathy, you may not realize when your passion crosses the line into disruption, so its especially important that you listen to the feedback you're receiving from other editors. If I can help you with understanding the feedback you're receiving or reviewing any specific situations, I would be happy to do that.
As far as dealing with administrators who you feel have crossed the line to "involved", standard dispute resolution procedures can be used. Typically it starts with discussing your concerns with the admin; if the discussion doesn't resolve your concerns, you can open a request for comment about your concerns to get additional feedback from the community. If the community does not agree that the admin is involved, you've reached the end of the line and will need to find a way to work with them. If the community agrees that the admin is involved, they should recuse themselves from adminstration functions in that area or article. If the admin does not recuse or continues to be problematic after a community discussion that agreed they were involved, arbitration is the last step. These are basically the same steps you would use for any instance in which you have concerns over an editor's behavior.
Hopefully that has helped answer all of your questions - feel free to ask for clarifications or additional questions if you have any other concerns. Shell babelfish 22:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, you seem quite lovely and quite fair as an admin and meditator, though in this case, I am still confused. I asked you for what "crime" I committed since I have been back (because I am not being blocked for my previous work...but for my involvement since my return). I couldn't help but notice that you didn't refer to any "crime" I committed (I say "crime" because a topic ban is a serious penalty, and it might be good for other editors at the homeopathy article to know what does and does not work. I asked this same question to KillerChihuahua directly at her talk page, but she didn't answer. Because you have made the new decision on my case, it would seem reasonable for me to ask you to answer this. I am glad that you brought up TIGERS because I feel that my Talk contributions sought "fairness" and not one-sidedness. I did the academic thing of bringing up references to the Lancet and to the Cochrane Reports (it is a tad ironic that ALL of the Cochrane Reports that have had "negative" results to homeopathy are actively referenced in the article, and yet, the TWO Cochrane Reports that have had positive results to homeopathy are not discussed OR referenced (the 2nd report was from a 2009 review on the homeopathic treatment of people experiencing side effects from conventional cancer treatment). It is not a mistake that those wiki editors who are one-sided (against homeopathy) have stonewalled and blocked inclusion of these references. I sought to begin with the influenza reference and soon discuss the other one.
I cannot help but sense that you made your decision based on what antagonists to me have said rather than go to the Talk page itself to see what I actually wrote...and how several other editors need to know about TIGERS. I cannot help but sense that these editors feel great that they have successfully topic banned me even though they have shown much one-sidedness.
And yes, I do feel that KillerChichuahua was "outed." Although she asserted herself as one to be "reasonably uninvolved," it is clear by her statement from August 9th (as noted in the ANI) that she has a extremely strong point of view on this subject! Although KillerChichuahua may do great work on wikipedia on various subjects and mediations, it seems apparent that she has seriously erred here...and I feel that the final result of your decision got warped in the process. Fairness is important...and I do not feel that I have been treated with that fairness.
So, yes, I do want to bring this issue to the ArbCom and would like some instruction on how to do so.
To be clear with you and others, I am quite jealous of a lot of wiki editors who have much time to do work here. I actually have very limited time to do so. THAT is why I cannot edit other articles...I simply don't have the time. I prefer to edit articles on subjects about which I am already knowledgeable. My academic background and writing history has taught me to be intellectually rigorous...and the fact that so many of my writings have been published in peer-review journals and in respected other sources is evidence of this. Sadly, however, some editors here who have a different POV than mine seek to mute those with a different POV. DanaUllman Talk 04:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Content disagreements happen. In a contested area like homeopathy, I'm sure they happen more frequently. Part of editing at Wikipedia means learning to pick your battles and work productively with others. When everyone else disagrees with your viewpoint on a subject, no matter how right you may be, you need to drop the issue and move on. Wikipedia isn't designed as a platform to right the wrongs you see with how homeopathy is treated; your energy in that regard would be better spent on supporting research and publishing in peer-reviewed journals. Wikipedia will never be on the front-line of changing anything - our policies prohibit anything but a representation of what other sources already say.
Since KillerChihuahua didn't close the discussion, there's really no reason to continue this argument. I performed my own evaluation of both the community discussion and the evidence given and came to mostly the same conclusions. Perhaps instead of assuming the worst, you could consider that perhaps this is an indication that her closing statements were fair rather than mine being biased. However, if you wish to take this back to the Arbitration Committee for review, you can request an amendment at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests. Shell babelfish 14:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Greetings Shell Kinney - I'm dismayed at the terse note you left on my talk page as I consider I have done nothing reproachable in the slightest. I realise that as an admin you come up with this kind of stuff all the time and would rather be doing other things, but I'd appreciate it if you would take the time to study the edits in question & explain where you consider I went "wrong". Thank you.-- Technopat ( talk) 21:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I would like you to take a look at the discussion board, terrible insults and disrespect I am going through. I would like to discuss with somebody reasonable and experienced. I don't know who you are but I feel you know the ways of WP. I appriciate if you can get back to me so we can discuss this issue.
-- Rm125 ( talk) 22:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell. I noticed a conversation you were having with QuackGuru, and wanted to make a quick comment. Your thought that editors may not be working on the article due to concerns of
WP:OWN are indeed accurate, at least in my case. I first made efforts to help with the article back in Feb. (I think), and the talk page archives will be a testament to that. I'll be honest, I did rather give up on trying to improve the article, simply because I felt that no matter what I offered, it was rejected by QG. Now, I will admit that QG has added a great deal of quality input, but for myself, I was just not able to communicate my thoughts effectively. Rather than bicker about things, I simply went on to other areas where my efforts were met with less resistance. I do stop by from time to time at the Sanger article, and have on occasion considered putting it up for GAR. I haven't, because I didn't want to appear "pointy" or anything. Anyway, I'm the one who re-added the search box, simply because I think it helps editors find past conversations that may be relevant. The whole "founder vs. co-founder" is I think a prime example. To be honest, I liked the idea of a search box enough to add it to my own talk page. I'm not sure how the "stalking" comes into play here at all. The fact that you mentioned the entire "ownership" thing impressed me, as it showed a great deal of insight. My compliments. Cheers and best. —
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21:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Shell. In this articles I wrote that location of this monasteries is de jure in Azerbaijan, because NKR is non-recognize rebublic. But you blocked me, cause I wrote true. Now please, Shell, explain me, why we must write NKR (don't recognize by any country), and don't write Azerbaijan (recognize by all countries).-- Interfase ( talk) 10:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I tried to discuss with them, but they don't want to agree with me. They also were edit warring, but not blocked.-- Interfase ( talk) 04:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
If its just one or two editors though, you probably want to get more people involved in help to make the decision. The dispute resolution page I mentioned will give you a lot of ideas on how to involve other editors and help come up with a solution.
Either way, undoing their edits isn't the way to solve things. Shell babelfish 05:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Shell. I hope you're having a nice summer. I have been reverting the same change by an editor with an apparent WP:COI over at the Gabrielle Ray article for some time. Ray was a famous actress in musicals about a century ago. The editor just established a username which clarifies what I had suspected, that she is a relative of the subject. In any case, it appears that the information that she wants to delete is, perhaps, embarrassing to her, although it is referenced and seems to be quite encyclopedic. I am happy to hear if she has a reason for deleting the info, but she seems reluctant to post to the talk page. Any ideas? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope she is willing to talk about it. She may have information that could improve the article.... -- Ssilvers ( talk) 01:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
My point was that everyone in America is of African descent; Williams' achievement was very specifically in being successful as a black person, not in being a coy euphemism. 213.78.235.176 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC).
You are a party in a request for an Arbitration: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#.3CCatholic_Church_and_Renaming.3E -- Rockstone ( talk) 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi. It looks to me as if you made a mistake here. User:Kehz99 (= User:67.191.237.201) [70] did violate 3RR (both on Lagos and Abuja), User:Contimm didn't. User:Kehz99 ( 67.191.237.201) ignored several warnings and invitations to talk [71] [72] [73], User:Contimm tried to seek consensus. He did so in accordance with User:Quantpole and me. [74] - Regards, Ankimai ( talk) 22:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
This is to let you know that I've filed a request for arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Scope of NLT concerning a case in which you have commented at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive560#Legal threats by Milomedes. I have not listed you as an involved party; should you, however, prefer to be considered involved, let me know and I'll add you to the list. -- Lambiam 12:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Our friend Anna seems to have a new sockpuppet, User:Wishwynne, wouldn't you say? See recent changes to Gabrielle Ray. Also check anon user 86.142.170.80. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I realize you have no longer followed the discussions after the renaming, but I don't think you're describing my actions very accurately. The last post, where I expressed disagreement with the renaming, before it took place, was around 19:27, 28 June 2009, however I rejoined the debate around 12:37, 22 July 2009, after it was apparently reopened by user:Angr (who was uninvolved in earlier discussions) around 17:20, 20 July 2009. So, I was not the one who restarted the debate after the renaming was done. Please, check these discussions more carefully, at least if you have time. Cody7777777 ( talk) 17:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, i didnt know where else t put this, but somebody keeps deleting the gay/pride article on the lansing page. Can you help?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakersw22 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, September 3, 2009
I had meant to get back to this AE request, but it slipped my mind. As you have now closed it, I'm leaving a note here instead. As I said at the AE request, I'm commenting as an editor here, not an arbitrator (I'm recused on matters relating to this case). My question concerns the other editors whose restrictions were lifted by that arbitration motion. There were sixteen editors whose restrictions were lifted, of which eight had topic bans relating to the editing of MOS pages ("style and editing guidelines"). I mentioned two of them by name in my comments at the arbitration request, one of whom I had intended to file a separate arbitration enforcement request about (he later struck the comments I mentioned, but in the past I've seen action taken even after people have struck their comments). My question is whether you considered the actions of other editors or were just considering Pmanderson's actions? My other question is if there are concerns about the actions of other editors whose restrictions were recently relaxed, should AE requests be done separately, or all together? If the latter question is better asked at some talk page where other admins who deal with AE requests can see it, which page is now used for those sort of discussions? Carcharoth ( talk) 14:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for notifying me; should I choose to appeal this, what would be the procedure? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
As a side note since you seem concerned, my involvement in the case listed below extends only to my formal mediation of the earlier dispute on the Catholic Church article, so my inclusion is a bit baffling. Shell babelfish 16:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree that a mediation can exceed the task set out for it, since the task in all cases, is to provide a structured forum where participants can work towards a consensus. The discussion evolved rather naturally as the participants tried to tackle the heart of the issue that led them to continual disagreements over wording. Unfortunately I haven't kept up to speed with revival of the dispute, so its difficult for me to guess what led to the request for arbitration.
I will take a look there as well; in fact it sounds like it might be helpful to review the case and anyone who's gotten re-involved in the discussions more closely. If there's anything in particular you'd like to call to my attention, feel free to leave notes. Perhaps when looking at the picture as a whole, there might be a way to resolve this without the need for any sort of ban. Shell babelfish 18:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, in regards to Dilip rajeev's enforcement case [79], there was no word of admin decisions for over 2 weeks. I'm just wondering if this case is still ongoing. Thanks.-- PCPP ( talk) 06:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell. I am confused as to the status of Mr Anderson's remedy; I had understood that you had imposed a full-topic ban on his participation and discussion of the MoS pages. Tony (talk) 12:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Powergate92 continued to use the page to list other perceived misuses of rollback and has now started a discussion on WP:ANI about it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 00:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
A new username ( User:Wishwynne) is making the same deletions at Gabrielle Ray and I see has also deleted material from Nelly Power without explanation. This is probably the 4th sockpuppet she/he has used. Would you kindly take another look? Thanks! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 19:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's been awhile since I checked in on the Coughlin page. Looks like I missed a lot. I responded in the discussion, but was hoping you could take a stab at the wording of the paragraph yourself. " JamesRenner ( talk) 19:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)"
The Falun gong set of pages have witnessed systematic removal of content by a certain set of users. Recently 20K was blanked out from the main article saying it was being moved to the subpages. Then all the central content of these subpages were deleted out - sources ranging from Amnesty and HRW to the US Congress. A subpage was reverted to a two year old version, another awfully shortened, one first shortened from 67KB to 26KB and then deleted under the pretext there is little reason to maintain an article having little content and lawyering for a merger with a related namespace. From a BLP was removed positive content sourced to western academia in favour of propagandistic slander that has only appeared in CCP media.Some of these changes are driven by staw-polls in which these editors establish a numerical majority and agree with each other on the changes.
After you asking me to focus on the content, I've been attempting to do precisely that - ignoring a cynical/sarcastic remark, presenting sources, my rationale for changes in detail on talk, etc. I had decided to contribute to a human rights related page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Propaganda_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Help_with_research.2C_please.. ( could you kindly go through my attempts to start a positive discussion, focus on content, make improvements and the response received..) . The specific problem is that no matter how detailed I present things some of these editors derail things through arguments like the one made there in response to my detailed comments and invitation for help in doing research: " "Since when is RSF a reliable source? A bunch of rhetorics froma CIA funded organization can hardly meet WP:RS--PCPP (talk) 12:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)"
My past experience has been that once you respond to such comments, they end up derailing the discussion, taking things in circles, overwhelm you through strength of numbers, finally manage to keep the information out and even attack you and make you appear among other editors as the one engaging in disruptive editing. One can reason with people making arguments with a rationale - but am at a loss as to how to respond to such things or to even respond at all. If someone says an RSF report on CCP propaganda is "rhetorics from a CIA funded organization".. am really at a loss how to respond. To put it in other words you can help a person who does not know understand - but it is harder dealing with someone feigning ignorance and coming up with baseless arguments to achieve their ends. The very two users making sneering comments have in the past attacked info sourced to Amnesty international saying Amnesty is just a "lobby group", Danny Schechter for being a "favourite Falun Gong aligned journalist", etc.
I could collect detailed evidence of systematic removal of highly sourced content from these pages the two users have engaged in the past couple of years. How should I proceed? Should I attempt to move forward focusing solely on the content, ignoring such comments - or should I raise my concerns and present a detailed case to the admins since it has happened on pages placed on probation by the arbcom?
Thanking You. Dilip rajeev ( talk) 19:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about fwd quoting parts of your email (once); there was nothing in it that would reflect on you in a bad light and it was done with no intent to harm you; I probably should've asked you for permission or paraphrased it. Please accept my public apology. Lesson learned. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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18:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello there. I noticed that you indefinitely fully protected this page on 22 August. I was wondering if you think it would be safe to unprotect it now. Regards, NW ( Talk) 22:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey, a really messed up discussion has ensued on the Talk:Middle_Bronze_Age_Alphabets. Apparently ancient marginalia is more controversial than current controversy. Anyway, I've lost my gumption to try to edit anymore because of what I think is overzealous protection by one uneducated and unqualified person. I would like to request mediation/or a mediator. I apologize, I'm just now working my way through the bureaucracy of these processes after years of Wiki consumption. Hence an issue like this, where most web information is derived from a semi-fraudulent Wiki page, scares the hell out of me. Rather than actually try to help, I am wondering what the etiquette is on overzealous reversions of citations. It's pretty complicated, so any advice you could give would be quite useful. Sincerely. Michael Sheflin ( talk) 01:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Can we take stronger action against the person who keeps deleting information from the article? Thanks for any assistance. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 00:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Shell. You advised me like this and Rlevse advised me like this in May. So I edited too difficult and too nationalitc articles for fulfill your demands as far as I could. And I obeyed Future Perfect at sunrise's order from 13:33, 21 January 2009. I handled many dispute without troubles. Please release the topic ban.-- Bukubku ( talk) 16:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Apologies if I'm digging at old wounds, but I thought you might be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Revisiting Milomedes. – Luna Santin ( talk) 08:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
This is to let you know of the above ANI - it is directly relevant (and refers) to this discussion where you participated. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 07:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Would you please cast an eye over the Juice Plus article when you have time? Over the past months several editors without a history of editing there (including a couple who were rather unrestrained in their criticism of RIR) have commented on the negative tone of the Juice Plus article. Recent attemps to amend the paragraph on folate and homocysteine response have been met by stone-walling and editor denigration (accusations of SPA, meat/sock puppetry and COI have been made) from RIR. I think it may be time for another review of this article - I don't wish that on anyone but the situation is untenable as it stands. Please take a look. I'm posting this on Elonka's page too). Many thanks. -- TraceyR ( talk) 07:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
When I returned to Wikipedia after several months of not editing, I noticed things were very quiet at Chiropractic, a page I have contributed to a fair amount in the past. After some digging, I found that User:QuackGuru and User:Levine2112 were banned from editing at Chiropractic, and banned from editing that topic... based on some recent edits to User_talk:QuackGuru, I think that this ban is being violated. Here is an example diff, and another.
I may be wrong on what does or does not constitute breaking that topic ban, but thought that you should be informed. DigitalC ( talk) 17:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
You've got mail. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Looking at my contributions, it seems that I deleted a post of yours on the AN several hours ago, completely by accident. I can't explain how it happened (an extra click as I was closing tabs or something??) but I want to assure you it was not intentional. This is especially the case because I always think you talk a tremendous amount of sense!! Sorry. -- Slp1 ( talk) 23:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Shell, I am sorry to have generated a tangent earlier today. It seems like we are in partial agreement on the WP:EEML case. It is a shame that Piotrus will be precluded from contributing to Polish articles, obviously a topic where he has extensive knowledge and where he has demonstrated writing skills. Some of the other list members have engaged in WP:BATTLE behavior. Even without reference to any mailings, it is painfully obvious that they've been coordinating, hounding, and gaming the rules. There is sufficient evidence on wiki to justify editing restrictions. Unfortunately, it is hard to generate a consensus on WP:AE to do something because of the tag teams active there. In response to several messy WP:AE threads, I had requested the arbitration committee to look into these matters earlier this year (I think, have not dug up diffs yet). At nearly the same time I had requested Piotrus refrain from administrating in EE disputes. Regrettably, both of my requests were rejected. Jehochman Talk 19:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
The Outlaw Halo Award | ||
This award is given to User:Shell Kinney for her long and tireless work at arbitration enforcement and for her commitment to quality encyclopedia content. Jehochman Talk 02:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC) |
ArbCom clerk notice - Normally I issue a warning first but your recent conduct on the case pages has been so disruptive I am going straight to a ban. Inflammatory statements and irrelevant discussion is strictly prohibited on the EEML case pages as per ArbCom ruling. You are thus banned from any and all pages associated with the EEML case for seven days. Manning ( talk) 02:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think this "ban" is unreasonable and shows very poor judgment on Manning's part. I have raised the matter at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Clerks as he appears to have left the project. WJBscribe (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
For the arbs to put this all down to Manning seems a bit unfair. Does the committee not clearly communicate its standards and expectations to the clerks? Perhaps you should consider doing so in order to prevent things like this in future. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for taking a look at this. Shell babelfish 19:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of CarolineWH ( talk · contribs). You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/CarolineWH. -- Paularblaster ( talk) 15:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Thought you might like to know. -- Paularblaster ( talk) 15:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, -- A Nobody My talk 07:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me on such a minor matter. If you get elected, please don't lose this attitude :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
User:QuackGuru was blocked for 2 weeks recently for violating the topic ban that you imposed. After the block expired, QuackGuru continued to edit at the same articles again. The admin who issued the 2 week block feels that this is not a violation of the topic ban, but is open to another admin reviewing his/her evaluation of the situation. Since you were the one who imposed the 6 month topic ban, would you mind reviewing this? You would certainly know what you intended with the topic ban better than I would, or anyone else for that matter. The discussion is located at User_talk:SarekOfVulcan#Topic_Ban. Diffs can be provided if needed. DigitalC ( talk) 16:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
PS: Welcome back from your wikibreak! DigitalC ( talk) 16:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
QG is generally being disruptive in his editing and is also repeating his typically odd and unhelpful manner of discussing on talk pages on the Aspartame and Aspartame controversy articles. Lots of IDHT, circular arguments, repetition, and general stonewalling. It's a pattern we've seen before. -- Brangifer ( talk) 05:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Btw, when I said you were being repetitive on that page, I was actually referring to the many statements where you threw out MEDRS as if it was a holy grail despite other editors politely and repeatedly explaining to you that the guideline had absolutely nothing to do with the case being discussed. Listen more, revert less and find compromises. Shell babelfish 17:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)Ok, lets take a quick look at one discussion. Your comments:
During this entire and rather lengthy discussion, you did nothing to assist in moving forward. At no time did you offer any explanation or argument for your position, instead you simply repeated yourself. More than once, you misrepresented the comments of other editors. You did not address the explanations offered by others and inserted your comments multiple times in places where your assertions weren't even being discussed. This is not a productive way to handle differences in opinion over content. Shell babelfish 18:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with BullRangifer above,
recent contributions betray a tendency towards hyperbole, misrepresenting or misunderstanding sources, wikilawyering and failure to engage in constructive debate. I don't particularly wish to see QG blocked, but it might do us all well to have him engage in less controversial subjects for a while, perhaps the cleanest break would be extending the topic ban to cover health-related articles as a whole.
[106] QuackGuru ( talk) 17:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
rhodes island red keep undoing a comment that I placed in response to Tracy and yor exchange. It is a valid point and not OT why is he undoing my comments. I feel it only furtehr illustrates the point that editor tracy is tryign to make that this particular editor refuses to allow content he personally disagrees with, and now is doing so even on the talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.82.134.3 ( talk) 20:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
So in short, the talk page of the article really isn't the place for discussions about other editors. I'm going to go ahead and redact that section since it doesn't serve to moving the article content forward. If you have any questions about any of the processes I've mentioned above or anything further I can assist with, please let me know. Shell babelfish 21:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I applaud your decision. It has become a childish sandbox fight between anyone "pro" juice plus, or desiring nuetrality on that article and ONE editor. I say that at risk of being accused of attacking or badmouthing that one editor, but facts are facts. Now, please adress the Dr. Isadore Rosenfelf video issue. There is video showing his unsolicited and unpaid "take juice plus" comment live on air, and the subsequent disclaimer the following week affirming that there was NO financial involvement or exchange. Rhode isalnd red refuses to allow this "pro" juice plus comment calling it an advertorial when it is clearly NOT. Yet he allows and defends the "con" juice plus comments made by others. How is this nuetral or nonbiased and why is it allowed to continue on Wikipedia. I am particularly interested in your response as you are wanting to be and admin/policy setter/adherance leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.82.134.3 ( talk) 23:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello--
Wanted to thank you for coming in and commenting. After User:Spitfire came in with at least another pair of eyes and had a fair point to make on definitions, I left this message, which is pretty much my rationale for handling things as I did (so I encourage you to read it as well). I'm open to any criticisms on it, but as rollback my options are quite limited and from similar experience the parties usually need just reminder of the 'big picture' and it dissipates. Out of safety I never say speak "block" in any way shape or form unless it's at least one step removed from anything suggested, because I have not been given the trust to suggest as such. What you started from on questions is obviously more ground-level and what I should have grabbed for but I assumed basic reversion process wasn't in need of large review, and I'm sorry for over-simplifying the situation and automatically assuming too much of them both. It was nothing but best intentions on my part and I assumed there was not any specific editor objection as they had ample opportunity several times to chime in. Any advice welcomed... since it's ANI I basically assume admins read things over and comment where they feel things were discussed improperly... this seemed non-controversial. Cheers~ ♪ daTheisen (talk) 13:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
You might wish to remove this banner from your arbcomm Q page William M. Connolley ( talk) 22:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
(Just realized you may not have had room on your watchlist to watch me for a reply. lol Here's a belated copy of reply from my talk:)
PS: But, yes, fortunately I was not taken up on the offer. The backyard dirt is safe... for now. Proofreader77 ( talk) 00:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Today you deleted a file that was added to Possibly unfree files back when the article Virginia was up for FAC. The image included a welcome sign for a number one ranked high school in the United States, and that welcome sign included a large model of the school's logo. User:Stifle decided that this was a statue and not a welcome sign, a decision I disagree with, since its not an original design. I was unable to find out who built the welcome sign, but don't think that they're relevant to the discussion. At the very least, a user could have added a fair-use rationale, but because I thoroughly disagree, I was going to leave that action for once the discussion was closed. Now it seems that you deleted the file because a template wasn't added. So can you perhaps allow me or another user to add that template, that I guess you believe it needs.-- Patrick { oѺ∞} 18:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I've recently reverted some of your edits here and here. After you were done, the image still had (and has) 2 conflicting licenses on it.-- Rockfang ( talk) 11:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Could you look at User_talk:MBisanz#Need_your_help? Thanks. MBisanz talk 01:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I do have one more question which is not related to Poventud. I uploaded an image from an article. Now, according to Hector A, Garcia Foundation, their images and articles (Projecto Salon Hogar, the source) are Public Domain. Since the old {{PD}} tag is longer used, what would the proper tag be? The image in question is this one: File:Venegas.JPG. Tony the Marine ( talk) 19:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Now the image itself; since it is most likely from around 1948 when he was boxing in the Olympics, it may not have fallen into the public domain yet. I think though that this image an excellent candidate for fair-use. The image is historical (his time in the Olympics, first time for Puerto Rico), nothing similar could be taken (he is no longer in the Olympics and deceased in any case) and the article discusses his participation in the Olympics in detail, I believe it satisfies all the fair-use criteria.
All that said, I'm honestly not positive how US copyright affects Puerto Rico and whether or not there may be local laws that would differ. For example, if we could prove the date the image was published, it may well meet {{ PD-Pre1964}} for having been published before 1964 and the copyright never renewed. It might be helpful to solicit additional options at WP:MCQ. Shell babelfish 12:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out at OTRS, I appreciate it. Regarding the three images I submitted (tickets 2009120910002621, 2009120910003209, and 2009120910003441), I directed each of the authors to look at the 3.0 pages for by and sa, for which they all choose to select the ShareAlike. All of the past authors I have worked with have seen this page and agreed to release it under that license (see examples at my image permissions page). If it is an issue though, I can downgrade it to 2.0. Let me know if you need any further clarification on the above. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 02:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Please note that the deletion discussion conclusion referred to the file having been "published". It was never published in any media. The politician autographed it and simply handed it out as far as is known, or may have even autographed a picture that was sent to him, i.e. returned it. Perhaps this makes no difference in unknown copyright status situations? Oh well, but if there is any value in these comments, let me know, otherwise kindly ignore. -- Fremte ( talk) 00:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Assuming the appointments turn out as expected, I look forward to working with you. Steve Smith ( talk) 23:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
FYI: You are the newly-elected arbitrator that I'm most most pleased to see win. It's good that after two unsuccessful runs the community finally wised up. ScienceApologist ( talk) 14:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! We couldn't have picked a better person. I'm sure you'll do a good job. -- Brangifer ( talk) 16:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
This user is on the English Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee. |
Thanks for the help Shell. Bye. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 05:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Can you drop a few words at Talk:Star Wars kid#RFC about why we shouldn't include his name? Thanks. AzureFury ( talk | contribs) 23:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 04:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
(As seen on Jimbo's page lol ... We raced to the finish. He won.:-)
{SK.AC.01} ____ At infinite improbability
{SK.AC.02} ____ there's nothing that can't happen. Press engage.
{SK.AC.03} ____ The matrix calculations find the key
{SK.AC.04} ____ to place her, oh so rightly, on the stage.
{SK.AC.05} ____ One year's enough to let her wisdom shine
{SK.AC.06} ____ upon the scales that sometimes lose the light.
{SK.AC.07} ____ (I know the grace her gesture brought to mine.)
{SK.AC.08} ____ The matrix knows her judgement will be right.
{SK.AC.09} ____ The coefficient of her fam'ly brought
{SK.AC.10} ____ a briefer burden — yes, the matrix cares. :-)
{SK.AC.11} ____ Responsibility must not be wrought
{SK.AC.12} ____ by sacrificing too much to affairs.
{SK.AC.13} ____ Of miracles that make this project fly
{SK.AC.14} ____ the one that installed Kinney ranks quite high.-- Proofreader77 ( talk) 06:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Poetic note: "artificial believer" is not iambic pentameter. Dammit! lol -- Proofreader77 ( talk) 04:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on your election. You deserved it (and I mean that as a compliment; given the way arbitrators are treated, one might not be sure). Jehochman Ho ho ho! 01:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
iBen discuss 06:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for being one of the people who has made 2009 such an interesting and enlightening year for me. It has certainly had its challenges, but also many highlights. I wish you peace and contentment in 2010, and a joyous holiday season to you and yours.
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Some miraculous things have happened since there was another one of those "car wrecks" at ANI which ended up with Proofreader77 being threatened with being sitebanned ... for formatting ... too much html ... talking too much ... and writing sonnets. LOL ... Well, I think the (oh so mockably silly in this case) people who decided Proofreader77 was bad for Wikipedia may be changing their minds ...
BUT ... if they hadn't temporarily lost them, I wouldn't have had the wonderful December I've had ...
ANYWAY, "the thing is," if I still find it necessary to come to Arbcom to prove Proofreader77 is "not bad" ... feel free to recuse for the sonnet ...
BUT :-) I will ask that you watch me, ... SEE how I "do" "adversarial" ... and KNOW that "it" doesn't have to be "soul-sucking" "burn-out making" drama ... but INSTEAD tempest-in-a-teapot lighter than air ...
(lol) A little overreaching, but I believe in miracles. And there are tears in my eyes of joy right now, because everything is flowing so wonderfully ... and one bright island in that flow ... was you. And 42! Amen. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year ... and Happy Forever! Best wishes, Shell Kinney, Member of the Arbitration Committee ... 2010. -- Proofreader77 ( talk) 12:46, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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If we had a user award for clearsightedness, I would award it to you for this edit!- Simon Dodd { U· T· C· WP:LAW } 05:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I wantwed an admin who fights vandals. I need you.-- TheWave ( talk) 01:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The thing that got under my skin is that I had finally backed off from that guy, stopped watching his page, stopped watching his activities, etc., and then he goes dragging my name up again. If not for that, I wouldn't care even if the topic ban were revoked. Let him and others slug it out over the Obama pages. I stopped working with those pages months ago. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
[2] - Bingo!
from yet
another QuackGuru accused sockpuppet --
stmrlbs|
talk
06:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for making the edits to Chile. I am relatively new to the community, and was not exactly sure how to go about making edits to the protected page. Glad I went about it properly (if I did approach it in an unorthodox fashion, please let me know). Thanks again! Cmiych ( talk) 17:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I acknowledge that my edit [5] likely looks disruptive as well... i didnt mean to remove the comments only the closing of the discussion but was undone before i could undo my own edit...
this user has been previously indef-blocked for edit warrning and blocked for disruptive editing... and should know better... his edit warring continues and so does his disruptive editing (as you saw yesterday)... can something not be done?
70.71.22.45 ( talk) 06:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell. Any problem with me just rejecting this? There haven't been any previous methods of dispute resolution so we can direct them there. Hope you're well :-) Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 18:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abd-William M. Connolley/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abd-William M. Connolley/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 12:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I was not aware if someone had already filed a complaint based on my rough/un-detailed contents which I had posted on some administrator's talk page and on some un-related notice board. I have gathered enough sources to document this case based on the template of this notice-board now, I request Administrators to look into my contents and PLEASE DECIDE. As previously complained by another editor, User:YellowMonkey is already facing POV charges at "Neutral point of view/Noticeboard" where Editor in questions, i.e. User:Wikireader41 is the only editor supporting User:YellowMonkey. So while considering this relationship, I make a humble request to kindly make an impartial decision on my complaint which I am putting below:
I came across this, which seems wrong to me. It has a "talkarchive" header, but clearly is not an archive. I'm not sure where it came from, but think the page should redirect to Talk: Catholic Church and the contents be archived (could be 4a) on that page. Do you see any problems with that? If not, I will proceed to do that. Sunray ( talk) 23:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
What is the Wikipedia standard for this? If an article has a {{POV}} tag, and the POV/NPOV is being discussed on the talk page, should the POV be removed because there is a discussion, or remain until the discussion ends (and hopefully some consensus is reached)? -- stmrlbs| talk 21:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Your actions have been discussed here as relevant to an ongoing arbitration case. You may wish to comment. I have linked a prior version of the page because the person who added this material reverted it and then incorporated the material by reference to the reversion, so as to make it impossible for you simply to search for your name. (Hope that's not too confusing.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 01:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
There is some new action on this. [11] Would you be willing to take a look? Sunray ( talk) 20:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I have started this discussion in a good faith attempt to resolve this ongoing dispute. Any help you can lend in terms of mediating the discussion will be appreciated. Thanks. -- ǝʌlǝʍʇ ǝuo-ʎʇuǝʍʇ ssnɔsıp 20:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Recently you weighed in on an RFC dispute over sources at Talk:Herodotus where you appeared to agree with my assessment of the situation. The discussion has now reached a dead end with no resolution. From my point of view it is a simple rules violation and should have ended long ago with the exclusion of the material in question. A majority of the users who have weighed in over there appear to also agree. Yet the original editor continues to re-insert the material [12] (without even the bother of an edit summary) in violation, I believe, of WP:Burden. Doesn't he have to make his case definitively before he can add the stuff back in?
Could you please advise me on what my next step should be? Is it time for formal mediation? I don't feel that he communicates in good faith as he continually ignores any point that goes to the heart of the matter. (I also feel like I'm being tag-teamed by another editor/admin who has historically come to his aid.) I don't want to get caught up in an edit war and yet what more can one do than revert material that violates the rules? Should I use the "Uw-unsourced" template on his talk page as a warning? As you can see I find myself on uncertain ground here. I'd appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks, Alcmaeonid ( talk) 17:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
significantly over at the R. L. Hymers article. I deleted this from the article, left this message on the user's page. You can see the editor's response and my reply. Any suggestions/feedback? Thanks. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 22:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I want to publish a page regarding an Organization and have created a write - up also keeping all the rules and regulations of Wiki in mind. I wanted to get it reviewed and have it published. It would be great if you could assist me.
Waiting for your reply -- Peswriter ( talk) 05:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I ran across the Comics Guaranty LLC page while doing typo patrol, and I couldn't help but notice that it's been semi-protected for over half a year. I am, however, not familiar with the article; is there any reason for it to be still protected? Sophus Bie ( talk) 21:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with this block. The original rationale, violation of 3RR, was baseless. There were only two reverts. And one of them to deal with vandalism by an obvious sockpuppet/meatpuppet with an IP address in Fairfield Iowa. There was no attempt to avoid the 3RR rule, the name change was obvious, and explained to all because the editor got fed up with being mistaken for a male. The "new" rationale for a ban is equally specious. The edits in question were pursuant to a suggestion by a neutral, disinteresed admin, WillBeback, who only got into the case following the refusal of some editors to abide by WP:COI. And the threats and incivility have been all in the other direction. Fladrif ( talk) 16:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
When I determined that 7thDr was using another account to avoid the block I investigated further. The second account was not being used properly - if 7thDr would like to use only that account, I'd be happy to reverse the blocks - but one does not use an alt account for participating in a discussion twice, edit warring along with your first account and certainly not to make personal attacks on other editors. After blocking Lotus Blossom, 7thDr continued to evade his block using other sleeper sock accounts. This is a very serious concern now. Shell babelfish 01:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell, thanks for the histpurges on these. One thing that bugs me though, I believe that you have purged both a bit too far in their history. Both had had the copyvio mostly removed by others but the articles are now credited to me (James) or a bot (Gopal). Is there any way to fix that so that the correct authors are attributed?
Thanks, and sorry for being a pain about this. MLauba ( talk) 08:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
You'll notice that my "attacks" were directed less at the user in question, and more at the attitude the user's userboxes conveyed. It's 2:41 AM here now, but I will be happy to discuss this further tomorrow if desired. Keepscases ( talk) 06:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Re your comment at Rlevse's talk, he helicoptered in and started shooting in all directions without first getting up to speed on the case. Just an ordinary day for an arb. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 16:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Responded to your question on my talk. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Shell. I think I may have figured out what you meant in this comment. I've added a clarification, "Supporting a position is not 'derailing'", to my own comment to try to overcome the mistaken appearance: [13]. I hope this succeeds in making my meaning clearer. ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 12:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess the bottom line is: Can you honestly look at the times he's encouraged banned users to circumvent their bans or the times he's called everyone "involved" that didn't support his outcome (oddly, those who do support him and meet the same criteria aren't involved) and still say that there is nothing wrong with his behavior? Shell babelfish 05:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I leave this message to inform you that I am seeking amendment and an ArbCom review of the Falun Gong topic ban you imposed. See [14]. ✔ Olaf Stephanos ✍ 18:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
Please don't capitalise specific and infraspecific epithets in the DEFAULTSORTs of taxon articles like this. I don't know where this sudden push to capitalise the first letter of every word in the DEFAULTSORT came from, but it was challenged and removed from WP:CAT a while back; yet people continue pushing it through with AWB. I've just had a long dispute with Rich Farmborough over this; see User talk:Rich Farmbrough#Defaultsorts on species, User talk:Rich Farmbrough#DEFAULTSORT on species again, User talk:Rich Farmbrough#DEFAULTSORT on species AGAIN_2. Please don't make me go through all this again. :-(
Hesperian 23:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, could you offer some help in a 6 day edit war over the addition of this statement "Nguyen-Khoa stated that the implementation of a peer review process would improve the site's legitimacy." to the Nguyen review in the Site Review section of the Quackwatch wikipedia article? The statement was derived from this statement "A giant step toward true legitimacy would involve active peer review of the articles to be published, a logical transition for a site that relies on so much of the accepted medical literature as its foundation." in the Nguyen review of the Quackwatch site which appears in the Consultant Pharmacist (American Society of Consultant Pharmacists. ). Quackguru has been reverting it for 6 days now with various reasons. Here is the last revert He is now claiming that Nguyen's view that peer-review would improve the Quackwatch site is a tiny minority view and therefore should not be in the article, as per WP:Weight. Can you give some guidance in this matter of WP:Weight if you have time? Here is the section on the talk page: Talk:Quackwatch#Nguyen_Review. I would appreciate any help you can give in this matter. -- stmrlbs| talk 08:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
After looking at the history of Quackwatch it does appear that QuackGuru is edit warring; I'm a bit concerned though that we've got anons popping up again and its a bigger concern that they always seem to pop up just in time to make it look like QuackGuru is the only one edit warring. I guess I'm going to have to ask a checkuser to flush the bin once and for all. Let me do some investigating and then I'll see if I can't wade in there too. Shell babelfish 12:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Quite frankly I've been tempted several times to comment on the talk page that both of these editors should be taken out behind the outhouse and given a good spanking. They have both been editing warring. There are no innocent parties here.
As to IPs, yes, they all need to be checked, especially 70.71.22.45 and two other related IPs from the same region:
They are all three four likely IP socks of the same user who refuses to use his registered username.
Brangifer (
talk)
00:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your suggestion for more editors to get involved... I tried, and found that when things didn't go QuackGuru's way, he began to shuffle around the comments, using a totally deceptive edit summary, which I found to be unethical and manipulative, recasting the entire conversation in a different light, an assessment another editor agreed with. I tried to revert this nonsense a few times, only to find Ronz suddenly rabidly attacking me for it, demanding I apologize for insulting the great QuackGuru. I've decided the page isn't worth fighting over, QuackGuru's OWN issues are completely repulsive to a new editor, in both senses of the word. I'd also like permission to email you regarding another related matter. ThuranX ( talk) 17:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to make a note of something I was thinking about in one of the edit summary of 86.146.119.24:
here where
86.146.119.24 reverts my version of Nguyen's review back to QuackGuru's version - the comment is "(undo vandalism by 2 well known fringe pov pushers)". I've only been editing regularly since April 2009, and have only edited on a few articles, some about alternative medicine, some not. So, for this IP to make this remark, they must be familiar with the edits that I do on these few articles. The alternative articles that I've participated on aren't exactly high profile. The Quackwatch and Barrett articles have very low view counts. I've done some editing on Colloidal silver which has twice as many people looking at it as the Quackwatch/Barret articles - but it is usually pretty quiet with only about 3 regulars - 2 of them admins.. So, Quackwatch/Barrett, Colloidal Silver, and Chiropractic are it for the "fringe" articles in my editing history. I have also edited "Blood type diet" in the past, but added criticism of the theory for that article. So, I wouldn't be considered a "fringe POV pusher" by the regulars on that article. I would think this indicates a strong possibility of
86.146.119.24 being or knowing one of the regulars on the Quackwatch/Barrett, Chiropractic articles.
Of course, there is the possibility that I've become so well known in a few months that even fly by IPs are familiar with my "fame". (But I think the probability of that is minute) --
stmrlbs|
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08:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, I was away all weekend. I just got back and I am trying to catch up here (but at the same time trying to catch up in RL). Looks like you're off to a good start. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance here. Thanks. -- ǝʌlǝʍʇ ǝuo-ʎʇuǝʍʇ ssnɔsıp 16:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Located here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Chiropractic. Shell babelfish 22:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
As I've indicated (and Bullrangifer also commented) there is fairly strong evidence that range (among others) is being used improperly since there is more than one case where these IPs show up out of the blue when an edit war starts - the IPs all show evidence of understanding odd Wikipedia terms and only support a single POV. So whether or not all of the IPs specifically match-up with an editor, it seems obvious to me that someone is, at least, notifying people to come revert articles when they don't agree with the changes being made. This is just as serious a problem since it allows edit wars to continue past when folks would have been blocked for 3RR and the community considers those kinds of attempts to skew consensus to be disruptive.
You are welcome to comment in the "Comments by accused parties" section and add any evidence or thoughts you might have on the situation. If at all possible, its best to keep things brief and avoid arguments, though of course you are welcome to answer any claims made against you. There is some guidance available here as well. I hope that answers all your questions. If not, feel free to poke me again. Shell babelfish 15:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, one of the fans on my old laptop picked this afternoon to kick the can. I had written a draft of my comments this morning on that laptop.. unfortunately, I can't get to them. I am using my son's laptop, but I have to spend some time getting it up to date. I will submit my comments tonight after I write them up again. -- stmrlbs| talk 00:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Based on the checkuser and other factors, I have enacted some sanctions under the Pseudoscience arbitration. QuackGuru and Levine2112 are both banned from Chiropractic topics and Quackwatch for a term of six months. TheDoctorIsIn and WinrarWinner have been warned that they are limited to one account to use on these topics; any further logging out and editing these topics or discussion pages will result in either a block or ban. None of the other IPs/accounts checked came back with anything of note. Shell babelfish 06:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
In the SPI, when I asked BullRangifer about outting Levine2112, he said this:
I am going to skip BullRangifer's comments about his security issues. I might still be learning about Wikipedia policy, but even I know that BullRangifer's security issues do not give him any right to out other people. But, I do have 2 questions. BullRangifer seems to be saying that
-- stmrlbs| talk 09:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
OK, there seems to have been some confusion over what these reports are, how they work and what can be expected to happen. There is detailed information at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, but I'll try to summarize here:
SPI reports are filed when there is a concern that someone is operating multiple accounts (this includes the use of undisclosed anon IPs); "operating" can mean physically creating more than one account, logging out to avoid getting blocked for edit warring or calling friends to join in edit wars or discussions to support you. Almost always, SPI reports are about a single person; they are listed along with any accounts or IPs that are believed to be operated by them. The one I opened was very rare and only used to check cases where people might be violating ArbCom sanctions.
Now specifically about checkuser. This tool is only one of the bits of evidence used in a sockpuppet case. A few editors with the flag can check personally identifiable information of an editor/IP and thus compare them. This information is only kept on the server for a month or so, meaning that these checks need to be run as soon as possible, or risk the data not being available to compare. The Foundation privacy policy restricts checkusers from giving detailed information and places limits on why and how the checks can be run; details are at Wikipedia:CheckUser. Note that checks will not be run to "clear" a person, since the information can't really be used in that manner. You can say "Yes, this account and this account appear to be the same person" but not "No, this person didn't use other accounts".
As I mentioned, this particular case was rare which I believe is one of the reasons for the confusion; I apologize for that. As I've explained above, if you feel there is evidence that a particular editor is abusing multiple accounts, it is very likely that you will need to open your own case. Usually the evidence is considerably longer with many diffs to show the reasons why you believe the editor is using multiple accounts. If anyone would like assistance putting one together, I would be happy to help. Shell babelfish 03:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
For all your time and effort in addressing these problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I find the sockpuppet investigation extremely hard to edit since I'm down at the bottom. I put the section in so I didn't have to look all the time for my comment within what seems like pages of text and wikicode. How does doing this "break transclution" (what is transclution?)?
boy.. one thing about Wikipedia.. it is not user friendly (as far as editing). -- stmrlbs| talk 12:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Can you please revert the List of works by William Monahan to an earlier version before indef banned editors work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enders Conundrum ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
In the meantime I'm going to see about doing some of my own research to see if I can help correct the articles independently. Shell babelfish 14:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
As per our previous conversation and your statement here [44], I submitted a new SPI on BullRangifer. It was immediately closed with the reason that BullRangifer had already been run through checkuser. I left a note both on User_Talk:bjweeks and User_Talk:NuclearWarfare with a link to your instructions to resubmit the SPI. I wanted to let you know in case they contact you on this matter. -- stmrlbs| talk 02:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, you topic banned me from chiropractic about two weeks ago for the following reason:
While I have not edit warred in articles related to this topic, your ban was placed under the premise that I was editwarring vicariously through sock or meat puppets. However, in the two recent SPIs ( 1, 2), I was cleared of these charges both via CheckUser and by behavioral analysis. Unless there is some other way in which you feel that I was generally disrupting the editing and consensus process, I am here to informally request that you lift my topic ban. Thank you. -- ǝʌlǝʍʇ ǝuo-ʎʇuǝʍʇ ssnɔsıp 22:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
The checkuser came back as inconclusive and was unable to check the majority of IPs and accounts given. This is by no means makes you "cleared of these charges" especially since my behavioral analysis was based on far more than the single edit war presented in the SPI.
Your tenacity about having this ban lifted both here and in my email is starting to make me wonder if I didn't do the right thing after all. If you can't live without editing the topic for a couple of weeks, that's not a good sign. I understand that I have not gotten back with you as quickly as you would like, but as I'm sure you're aware, this is not a simple problem. Shell babelfish 18:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Ernst E (2008). "Chiropractic: a critical evaluation". J Pain Symptom Manage. 35 (5): 544–62.
doi:
10.1016/j.jpainsymman.2007.07.004.
PMID
18280103. Chiropractic is rooted in mystical concepts. This led to an internal conflict within the chiropractic profession, which continues today.
The text is sourced but Levine2112
reverted to the edit made by the IP. These two edits
[46]
[47] can't be a coincidence.
Reverted to revision 288781918 by 166.191.166.100; actually I just read the source. It says nothing about Mysticism... see talk. using TW Levine2112, please explain why you reverted to the IP and claimed there is nothing about Mysticism.
QuackGuru (
talk)
18:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Chiropractic is rooted in mystical concepts. This led to an internal conflict within the chiropractic profession, which continues today.You don't need access to the full text to determine the text is sourced. The abstract verified the claim. You are lying the text is not sourced. When Levine2112 pretends the text is unsourced why is he allowed to return to the article in the future. QuackGuru ( talk) 19:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Levine, in response specifically to your questions about when you have edit warred or been disruptive, I've copied a bit of the list below that I used when determining sanctions. It is my opinion that on this particular topic area (or perhaps its when interacting with QuackGuru), you've been unable to take a step back and use proper dispute resolution processes; instead, your first response is to revert things you don't agree with and continue reverting them. For example (and not including any of the various IPs that also show up quickly to revert to your version who's ownership could not be determined):
Repeated reverts on Chiropractic History on the mysticism topic [48], [49], [50], [51]
Again on Chiropractic History, when your edit to change material you don't like is reverted, you revert to a previous version that did not include the material at all.
On Chiropratic, with each new issue that occurs, you are involved in the edit war. About a patient-centered approach [52], [53], [54], [55], over mysticism again here [56], [57], [58] and over pain management benefits [59], [60], [61] just to use examples since April of this year.
This edit warring, which most frequently stars QuackGuru and yourself, then moved on to the Chiropractic controversy and criticism article where you edit warred over article tags [62], [63], [64], [65] repeatedly.
Finally, just before the sanctions, repeated edit wars on QuackWatch finally resulted in article protection; your reverts there were part of a few editors warring over various items [66], [67], [68].
Obviously you are not the only editor who's been involved in these revert wars, but you and QuackGuru seem to make up the largest percentage of reverts during each incident. I'm glad to see you've been working hard in other areas since the ban; if you can remember to apply the same kind of positive energy when dealing with topics you feel strongly about, I'm sure you'll find that other editors will appreciate those efforts. Shell babelfish 03:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have a few seedwiki wikis that I want to copy over to a friend's MediaWiki site. I have managed to convert the markup, but do you know how we could go about uploading multiple wiki pages to MediaWiki? -- Surturz ( talk) 01:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, I wanted to let you know about this since I mention you in the events leading up this latest incident. The incident report [69] -- stmrlbs| talk 03:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
After this comment, I think a further block is needed and a checkuser to find the range they are on. I have a feeling we will be hearing from this guy for awhile. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 09:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello. As you know, an admin (KillerChi...) was outed as an admin who has a STRONG POV on the content subject (homeopathy) and therefore not a good "non-involved" admin to be working on the ANI. I welcome you...but I (and anyone who wishes to participate in the Talk or articles pages related to homeopathy) would benefit from knowing what serious "crime" I committed during the short period in July that I participated on wikipedia. Please be specific...and please also consider the several good RS, V, NPOV references that I provided (and for which some editors here have stonewalled). The various wiki editors who accused me of high crimes are all editors who believe that homeopathy is a complete fraud and now even an admin who posed to be neutral has now been shown to be non-neutral. I previously called for a non-involved admin, and you seem to fit the bill. However, because you have not commented at all, it would be beneficial for all involved to have your analysis of "the problem." I would also like your opinion on what can or should be done with admins who pose as non-involved editors but who are found to have strong POV on the content subject. DanaUllman Talk 20:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the "crime", as you call it, I believe that was thoroughly discussed both in the related arbitration case and in the thread I referenced when notifying you of the decision. I can see by that discussion that you do not agree your behavior was problematic; clearly a large number of editors disagree as did the Arbitration Committee when it banned you. If you would like to review specific instances, you might want to check the diffs provided in that thread which discussed continued advocacy on your part, misrepresentation of sources, misrepresenting the statements of others, misleading other editors regarding the nature of a discussion, and other actions that clearly cause misperceptions or obfuscate aspects of consensus discussions.
I'm not sure if anyone may have pointed this essay out to you before, but WP:TIGERS might be a good read. A particularly pertinent point is As a normal writer, strong views are a great help. But as a Wikipedia editor, they impose a special burden: because you are obligated to be fair to all sides, you must be especially careful that your views don't distort the article. - I would add that distorting discussions is also problematic. Because of your strong feelings about homeopathy, you may not realize when your passion crosses the line into disruption, so its especially important that you listen to the feedback you're receiving from other editors. If I can help you with understanding the feedback you're receiving or reviewing any specific situations, I would be happy to do that.
As far as dealing with administrators who you feel have crossed the line to "involved", standard dispute resolution procedures can be used. Typically it starts with discussing your concerns with the admin; if the discussion doesn't resolve your concerns, you can open a request for comment about your concerns to get additional feedback from the community. If the community does not agree that the admin is involved, you've reached the end of the line and will need to find a way to work with them. If the community agrees that the admin is involved, they should recuse themselves from adminstration functions in that area or article. If the admin does not recuse or continues to be problematic after a community discussion that agreed they were involved, arbitration is the last step. These are basically the same steps you would use for any instance in which you have concerns over an editor's behavior.
Hopefully that has helped answer all of your questions - feel free to ask for clarifications or additional questions if you have any other concerns. Shell babelfish 22:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Shell, you seem quite lovely and quite fair as an admin and meditator, though in this case, I am still confused. I asked you for what "crime" I committed since I have been back (because I am not being blocked for my previous work...but for my involvement since my return). I couldn't help but notice that you didn't refer to any "crime" I committed (I say "crime" because a topic ban is a serious penalty, and it might be good for other editors at the homeopathy article to know what does and does not work. I asked this same question to KillerChihuahua directly at her talk page, but she didn't answer. Because you have made the new decision on my case, it would seem reasonable for me to ask you to answer this. I am glad that you brought up TIGERS because I feel that my Talk contributions sought "fairness" and not one-sidedness. I did the academic thing of bringing up references to the Lancet and to the Cochrane Reports (it is a tad ironic that ALL of the Cochrane Reports that have had "negative" results to homeopathy are actively referenced in the article, and yet, the TWO Cochrane Reports that have had positive results to homeopathy are not discussed OR referenced (the 2nd report was from a 2009 review on the homeopathic treatment of people experiencing side effects from conventional cancer treatment). It is not a mistake that those wiki editors who are one-sided (against homeopathy) have stonewalled and blocked inclusion of these references. I sought to begin with the influenza reference and soon discuss the other one.
I cannot help but sense that you made your decision based on what antagonists to me have said rather than go to the Talk page itself to see what I actually wrote...and how several other editors need to know about TIGERS. I cannot help but sense that these editors feel great that they have successfully topic banned me even though they have shown much one-sidedness.
And yes, I do feel that KillerChichuahua was "outed." Although she asserted herself as one to be "reasonably uninvolved," it is clear by her statement from August 9th (as noted in the ANI) that she has a extremely strong point of view on this subject! Although KillerChichuahua may do great work on wikipedia on various subjects and mediations, it seems apparent that she has seriously erred here...and I feel that the final result of your decision got warped in the process. Fairness is important...and I do not feel that I have been treated with that fairness.
So, yes, I do want to bring this issue to the ArbCom and would like some instruction on how to do so.
To be clear with you and others, I am quite jealous of a lot of wiki editors who have much time to do work here. I actually have very limited time to do so. THAT is why I cannot edit other articles...I simply don't have the time. I prefer to edit articles on subjects about which I am already knowledgeable. My academic background and writing history has taught me to be intellectually rigorous...and the fact that so many of my writings have been published in peer-review journals and in respected other sources is evidence of this. Sadly, however, some editors here who have a different POV than mine seek to mute those with a different POV. DanaUllman Talk 04:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Content disagreements happen. In a contested area like homeopathy, I'm sure they happen more frequently. Part of editing at Wikipedia means learning to pick your battles and work productively with others. When everyone else disagrees with your viewpoint on a subject, no matter how right you may be, you need to drop the issue and move on. Wikipedia isn't designed as a platform to right the wrongs you see with how homeopathy is treated; your energy in that regard would be better spent on supporting research and publishing in peer-reviewed journals. Wikipedia will never be on the front-line of changing anything - our policies prohibit anything but a representation of what other sources already say.
Since KillerChihuahua didn't close the discussion, there's really no reason to continue this argument. I performed my own evaluation of both the community discussion and the evidence given and came to mostly the same conclusions. Perhaps instead of assuming the worst, you could consider that perhaps this is an indication that her closing statements were fair rather than mine being biased. However, if you wish to take this back to the Arbitration Committee for review, you can request an amendment at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests. Shell babelfish 14:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Greetings Shell Kinney - I'm dismayed at the terse note you left on my talk page as I consider I have done nothing reproachable in the slightest. I realise that as an admin you come up with this kind of stuff all the time and would rather be doing other things, but I'd appreciate it if you would take the time to study the edits in question & explain where you consider I went "wrong". Thank you.-- Technopat ( talk) 21:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I would like you to take a look at the discussion board, terrible insults and disrespect I am going through. I would like to discuss with somebody reasonable and experienced. I don't know who you are but I feel you know the ways of WP. I appriciate if you can get back to me so we can discuss this issue.
-- Rm125 ( talk) 22:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell. I noticed a conversation you were having with QuackGuru, and wanted to make a quick comment. Your thought that editors may not be working on the article due to concerns of
WP:OWN are indeed accurate, at least in my case. I first made efforts to help with the article back in Feb. (I think), and the talk page archives will be a testament to that. I'll be honest, I did rather give up on trying to improve the article, simply because I felt that no matter what I offered, it was rejected by QG. Now, I will admit that QG has added a great deal of quality input, but for myself, I was just not able to communicate my thoughts effectively. Rather than bicker about things, I simply went on to other areas where my efforts were met with less resistance. I do stop by from time to time at the Sanger article, and have on occasion considered putting it up for GAR. I haven't, because I didn't want to appear "pointy" or anything. Anyway, I'm the one who re-added the search box, simply because I think it helps editors find past conversations that may be relevant. The whole "founder vs. co-founder" is I think a prime example. To be honest, I liked the idea of a search box enough to add it to my own talk page. I'm not sure how the "stalking" comes into play here at all. The fact that you mentioned the entire "ownership" thing impressed me, as it showed a great deal of insight. My compliments. Cheers and best. —
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21:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Shell. In this articles I wrote that location of this monasteries is de jure in Azerbaijan, because NKR is non-recognize rebublic. But you blocked me, cause I wrote true. Now please, Shell, explain me, why we must write NKR (don't recognize by any country), and don't write Azerbaijan (recognize by all countries).-- Interfase ( talk) 10:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I tried to discuss with them, but they don't want to agree with me. They also were edit warring, but not blocked.-- Interfase ( talk) 04:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
If its just one or two editors though, you probably want to get more people involved in help to make the decision. The dispute resolution page I mentioned will give you a lot of ideas on how to involve other editors and help come up with a solution.
Either way, undoing their edits isn't the way to solve things. Shell babelfish 05:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Shell. I hope you're having a nice summer. I have been reverting the same change by an editor with an apparent WP:COI over at the Gabrielle Ray article for some time. Ray was a famous actress in musicals about a century ago. The editor just established a username which clarifies what I had suspected, that she is a relative of the subject. In any case, it appears that the information that she wants to delete is, perhaps, embarrassing to her, although it is referenced and seems to be quite encyclopedic. I am happy to hear if she has a reason for deleting the info, but she seems reluctant to post to the talk page. Any ideas? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope she is willing to talk about it. She may have information that could improve the article.... -- Ssilvers ( talk) 01:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
My point was that everyone in America is of African descent; Williams' achievement was very specifically in being successful as a black person, not in being a coy euphemism. 213.78.235.176 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC).
You are a party in a request for an Arbitration: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#.3CCatholic_Church_and_Renaming.3E -- Rockstone ( talk) 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi. It looks to me as if you made a mistake here. User:Kehz99 (= User:67.191.237.201) [70] did violate 3RR (both on Lagos and Abuja), User:Contimm didn't. User:Kehz99 ( 67.191.237.201) ignored several warnings and invitations to talk [71] [72] [73], User:Contimm tried to seek consensus. He did so in accordance with User:Quantpole and me. [74] - Regards, Ankimai ( talk) 22:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
This is to let you know that I've filed a request for arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Scope of NLT concerning a case in which you have commented at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive560#Legal threats by Milomedes. I have not listed you as an involved party; should you, however, prefer to be considered involved, let me know and I'll add you to the list. -- Lambiam 12:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Our friend Anna seems to have a new sockpuppet, User:Wishwynne, wouldn't you say? See recent changes to Gabrielle Ray. Also check anon user 86.142.170.80. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I realize you have no longer followed the discussions after the renaming, but I don't think you're describing my actions very accurately. The last post, where I expressed disagreement with the renaming, before it took place, was around 19:27, 28 June 2009, however I rejoined the debate around 12:37, 22 July 2009, after it was apparently reopened by user:Angr (who was uninvolved in earlier discussions) around 17:20, 20 July 2009. So, I was not the one who restarted the debate after the renaming was done. Please, check these discussions more carefully, at least if you have time. Cody7777777 ( talk) 17:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, i didnt know where else t put this, but somebody keeps deleting the gay/pride article on the lansing page. Can you help?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakersw22 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, September 3, 2009
I had meant to get back to this AE request, but it slipped my mind. As you have now closed it, I'm leaving a note here instead. As I said at the AE request, I'm commenting as an editor here, not an arbitrator (I'm recused on matters relating to this case). My question concerns the other editors whose restrictions were lifted by that arbitration motion. There were sixteen editors whose restrictions were lifted, of which eight had topic bans relating to the editing of MOS pages ("style and editing guidelines"). I mentioned two of them by name in my comments at the arbitration request, one of whom I had intended to file a separate arbitration enforcement request about (he later struck the comments I mentioned, but in the past I've seen action taken even after people have struck their comments). My question is whether you considered the actions of other editors or were just considering Pmanderson's actions? My other question is if there are concerns about the actions of other editors whose restrictions were recently relaxed, should AE requests be done separately, or all together? If the latter question is better asked at some talk page where other admins who deal with AE requests can see it, which page is now used for those sort of discussions? Carcharoth ( talk) 14:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for notifying me; should I choose to appeal this, what would be the procedure? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
As a side note since you seem concerned, my involvement in the case listed below extends only to my formal mediation of the earlier dispute on the Catholic Church article, so my inclusion is a bit baffling. Shell babelfish 16:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree that a mediation can exceed the task set out for it, since the task in all cases, is to provide a structured forum where participants can work towards a consensus. The discussion evolved rather naturally as the participants tried to tackle the heart of the issue that led them to continual disagreements over wording. Unfortunately I haven't kept up to speed with revival of the dispute, so its difficult for me to guess what led to the request for arbitration.
I will take a look there as well; in fact it sounds like it might be helpful to review the case and anyone who's gotten re-involved in the discussions more closely. If there's anything in particular you'd like to call to my attention, feel free to leave notes. Perhaps when looking at the picture as a whole, there might be a way to resolve this without the need for any sort of ban. Shell babelfish 18:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, in regards to Dilip rajeev's enforcement case [79], there was no word of admin decisions for over 2 weeks. I'm just wondering if this case is still ongoing. Thanks.-- PCPP ( talk) 06:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Shell. I am confused as to the status of Mr Anderson's remedy; I had understood that you had imposed a full-topic ban on his participation and discussion of the MoS pages. Tony (talk) 12:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Powergate92 continued to use the page to list other perceived misuses of rollback and has now started a discussion on WP:ANI about it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 00:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
A new username ( User:Wishwynne) is making the same deletions at Gabrielle Ray and I see has also deleted material from Nelly Power without explanation. This is probably the 4th sockpuppet she/he has used. Would you kindly take another look? Thanks! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 19:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's been awhile since I checked in on the Coughlin page. Looks like I missed a lot. I responded in the discussion, but was hoping you could take a stab at the wording of the paragraph yourself. " JamesRenner ( talk) 19:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)"
The Falun gong set of pages have witnessed systematic removal of content by a certain set of users. Recently 20K was blanked out from the main article saying it was being moved to the subpages. Then all the central content of these subpages were deleted out - sources ranging from Amnesty and HRW to the US Congress. A subpage was reverted to a two year old version, another awfully shortened, one first shortened from 67KB to 26KB and then deleted under the pretext there is little reason to maintain an article having little content and lawyering for a merger with a related namespace. From a BLP was removed positive content sourced to western academia in favour of propagandistic slander that has only appeared in CCP media.Some of these changes are driven by staw-polls in which these editors establish a numerical majority and agree with each other on the changes.
After you asking me to focus on the content, I've been attempting to do precisely that - ignoring a cynical/sarcastic remark, presenting sources, my rationale for changes in detail on talk, etc. I had decided to contribute to a human rights related page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Propaganda_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Help_with_research.2C_please.. ( could you kindly go through my attempts to start a positive discussion, focus on content, make improvements and the response received..) . The specific problem is that no matter how detailed I present things some of these editors derail things through arguments like the one made there in response to my detailed comments and invitation for help in doing research: " "Since when is RSF a reliable source? A bunch of rhetorics froma CIA funded organization can hardly meet WP:RS--PCPP (talk) 12:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)"
My past experience has been that once you respond to such comments, they end up derailing the discussion, taking things in circles, overwhelm you through strength of numbers, finally manage to keep the information out and even attack you and make you appear among other editors as the one engaging in disruptive editing. One can reason with people making arguments with a rationale - but am at a loss as to how to respond to such things or to even respond at all. If someone says an RSF report on CCP propaganda is "rhetorics from a CIA funded organization".. am really at a loss how to respond. To put it in other words you can help a person who does not know understand - but it is harder dealing with someone feigning ignorance and coming up with baseless arguments to achieve their ends. The very two users making sneering comments have in the past attacked info sourced to Amnesty international saying Amnesty is just a "lobby group", Danny Schechter for being a "favourite Falun Gong aligned journalist", etc.
I could collect detailed evidence of systematic removal of highly sourced content from these pages the two users have engaged in the past couple of years. How should I proceed? Should I attempt to move forward focusing solely on the content, ignoring such comments - or should I raise my concerns and present a detailed case to the admins since it has happened on pages placed on probation by the arbcom?
Thanking You. Dilip rajeev ( talk) 19:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about fwd quoting parts of your email (once); there was nothing in it that would reflect on you in a bad light and it was done with no intent to harm you; I probably should've asked you for permission or paraphrased it. Please accept my public apology. Lesson learned. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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18:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello there. I noticed that you indefinitely fully protected this page on 22 August. I was wondering if you think it would be safe to unprotect it now. Regards, NW ( Talk) 22:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey, a really messed up discussion has ensued on the Talk:Middle_Bronze_Age_Alphabets. Apparently ancient marginalia is more controversial than current controversy. Anyway, I've lost my gumption to try to edit anymore because of what I think is overzealous protection by one uneducated and unqualified person. I would like to request mediation/or a mediator. I apologize, I'm just now working my way through the bureaucracy of these processes after years of Wiki consumption. Hence an issue like this, where most web information is derived from a semi-fraudulent Wiki page, scares the hell out of me. Rather than actually try to help, I am wondering what the etiquette is on overzealous reversions of citations. It's pretty complicated, so any advice you could give would be quite useful. Sincerely. Michael Sheflin ( talk) 01:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Can we take stronger action against the person who keeps deleting information from the article? Thanks for any assistance. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 00:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Shell. You advised me like this and Rlevse advised me like this in May. So I edited too difficult and too nationalitc articles for fulfill your demands as far as I could. And I obeyed Future Perfect at sunrise's order from 13:33, 21 January 2009. I handled many dispute without troubles. Please release the topic ban.-- Bukubku ( talk) 16:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Apologies if I'm digging at old wounds, but I thought you might be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Revisiting Milomedes. – Luna Santin ( talk) 08:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
This is to let you know of the above ANI - it is directly relevant (and refers) to this discussion where you participated. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 07:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Would you please cast an eye over the Juice Plus article when you have time? Over the past months several editors without a history of editing there (including a couple who were rather unrestrained in their criticism of RIR) have commented on the negative tone of the Juice Plus article. Recent attemps to amend the paragraph on folate and homocysteine response have been met by stone-walling and editor denigration (accusations of SPA, meat/sock puppetry and COI have been made) from RIR. I think it may be time for another review of this article - I don't wish that on anyone but the situation is untenable as it stands. Please take a look. I'm posting this on Elonka's page too). Many thanks. -- TraceyR ( talk) 07:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
When I returned to Wikipedia after several months of not editing, I noticed things were very quiet at Chiropractic, a page I have contributed to a fair amount in the past. After some digging, I found that User:QuackGuru and User:Levine2112 were banned from editing at Chiropractic, and banned from editing that topic... based on some recent edits to User_talk:QuackGuru, I think that this ban is being violated. Here is an example diff, and another.
I may be wrong on what does or does not constitute breaking that topic ban, but thought that you should be informed. DigitalC ( talk) 17:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
You've got mail. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Looking at my contributions, it seems that I deleted a post of yours on the AN several hours ago, completely by accident. I can't explain how it happened (an extra click as I was closing tabs or something??) but I want to assure you it was not intentional. This is especially the case because I always think you talk a tremendous amount of sense!! Sorry. -- Slp1 ( talk) 23:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Shell, I am sorry to have generated a tangent earlier today. It seems like we are in partial agreement on the WP:EEML case. It is a shame that Piotrus will be precluded from contributing to Polish articles, obviously a topic where he has extensive knowledge and where he has demonstrated writing skills. Some of the other list members have engaged in WP:BATTLE behavior. Even without reference to any mailings, it is painfully obvious that they've been coordinating, hounding, and gaming the rules. There is sufficient evidence on wiki to justify editing restrictions. Unfortunately, it is hard to generate a consensus on WP:AE to do something because of the tag teams active there. In response to several messy WP:AE threads, I had requested the arbitration committee to look into these matters earlier this year (I think, have not dug up diffs yet). At nearly the same time I had requested Piotrus refrain from administrating in EE disputes. Regrettably, both of my requests were rejected. Jehochman Talk 19:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
The Outlaw Halo Award | ||
This award is given to User:Shell Kinney for her long and tireless work at arbitration enforcement and for her commitment to quality encyclopedia content. Jehochman Talk 02:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC) |
ArbCom clerk notice - Normally I issue a warning first but your recent conduct on the case pages has been so disruptive I am going straight to a ban. Inflammatory statements and irrelevant discussion is strictly prohibited on the EEML case pages as per ArbCom ruling. You are thus banned from any and all pages associated with the EEML case for seven days. Manning ( talk) 02:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think this "ban" is unreasonable and shows very poor judgment on Manning's part. I have raised the matter at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Clerks as he appears to have left the project. WJBscribe (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
For the arbs to put this all down to Manning seems a bit unfair. Does the committee not clearly communicate its standards and expectations to the clerks? Perhaps you should consider doing so in order to prevent things like this in future. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for taking a look at this. Shell babelfish 19:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of CarolineWH ( talk · contribs). You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/CarolineWH. -- Paularblaster ( talk) 15:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Thought you might like to know. -- Paularblaster ( talk) 15:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, -- A Nobody My talk 07:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me on such a minor matter. If you get elected, please don't lose this attitude :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
User:QuackGuru was blocked for 2 weeks recently for violating the topic ban that you imposed. After the block expired, QuackGuru continued to edit at the same articles again. The admin who issued the 2 week block feels that this is not a violation of the topic ban, but is open to another admin reviewing his/her evaluation of the situation. Since you were the one who imposed the 6 month topic ban, would you mind reviewing this? You would certainly know what you intended with the topic ban better than I would, or anyone else for that matter. The discussion is located at User_talk:SarekOfVulcan#Topic_Ban. Diffs can be provided if needed. DigitalC ( talk) 16:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
PS: Welcome back from your wikibreak! DigitalC ( talk) 16:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
QG is generally being disruptive in his editing and is also repeating his typically odd and unhelpful manner of discussing on talk pages on the Aspartame and Aspartame controversy articles. Lots of IDHT, circular arguments, repetition, and general stonewalling. It's a pattern we've seen before. -- Brangifer ( talk) 05:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Btw, when I said you were being repetitive on that page, I was actually referring to the many statements where you threw out MEDRS as if it was a holy grail despite other editors politely and repeatedly explaining to you that the guideline had absolutely nothing to do with the case being discussed. Listen more, revert less and find compromises. Shell babelfish 17:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)Ok, lets take a quick look at one discussion. Your comments:
During this entire and rather lengthy discussion, you did nothing to assist in moving forward. At no time did you offer any explanation or argument for your position, instead you simply repeated yourself. More than once, you misrepresented the comments of other editors. You did not address the explanations offered by others and inserted your comments multiple times in places where your assertions weren't even being discussed. This is not a productive way to handle differences in opinion over content. Shell babelfish 18:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with BullRangifer above,
recent contributions betray a tendency towards hyperbole, misrepresenting or misunderstanding sources, wikilawyering and failure to engage in constructive debate. I don't particularly wish to see QG blocked, but it might do us all well to have him engage in less controversial subjects for a while, perhaps the cleanest break would be extending the topic ban to cover health-related articles as a whole.
[106] QuackGuru ( talk) 17:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
rhodes island red keep undoing a comment that I placed in response to Tracy and yor exchange. It is a valid point and not OT why is he undoing my comments. I feel it only furtehr illustrates the point that editor tracy is tryign to make that this particular editor refuses to allow content he personally disagrees with, and now is doing so even on the talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.82.134.3 ( talk) 20:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
So in short, the talk page of the article really isn't the place for discussions about other editors. I'm going to go ahead and redact that section since it doesn't serve to moving the article content forward. If you have any questions about any of the processes I've mentioned above or anything further I can assist with, please let me know. Shell babelfish 21:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I applaud your decision. It has become a childish sandbox fight between anyone "pro" juice plus, or desiring nuetrality on that article and ONE editor. I say that at risk of being accused of attacking or badmouthing that one editor, but facts are facts. Now, please adress the Dr. Isadore Rosenfelf video issue. There is video showing his unsolicited and unpaid "take juice plus" comment live on air, and the subsequent disclaimer the following week affirming that there was NO financial involvement or exchange. Rhode isalnd red refuses to allow this "pro" juice plus comment calling it an advertorial when it is clearly NOT. Yet he allows and defends the "con" juice plus comments made by others. How is this nuetral or nonbiased and why is it allowed to continue on Wikipedia. I am particularly interested in your response as you are wanting to be and admin/policy setter/adherance leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.82.134.3 ( talk) 23:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello--
Wanted to thank you for coming in and commenting. After User:Spitfire came in with at least another pair of eyes and had a fair point to make on definitions, I left this message, which is pretty much my rationale for handling things as I did (so I encourage you to read it as well). I'm open to any criticisms on it, but as rollback my options are quite limited and from similar experience the parties usually need just reminder of the 'big picture' and it dissipates. Out of safety I never say speak "block" in any way shape or form unless it's at least one step removed from anything suggested, because I have not been given the trust to suggest as such. What you started from on questions is obviously more ground-level and what I should have grabbed for but I assumed basic reversion process wasn't in need of large review, and I'm sorry for over-simplifying the situation and automatically assuming too much of them both. It was nothing but best intentions on my part and I assumed there was not any specific editor objection as they had ample opportunity several times to chime in. Any advice welcomed... since it's ANI I basically assume admins read things over and comment where they feel things were discussed improperly... this seemed non-controversial. Cheers~ ♪ daTheisen (talk) 13:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
You might wish to remove this banner from your arbcomm Q page William M. Connolley ( talk) 22:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
(Just realized you may not have had room on your watchlist to watch me for a reply. lol Here's a belated copy of reply from my talk:)
PS: But, yes, fortunately I was not taken up on the offer. The backyard dirt is safe... for now. Proofreader77 ( talk) 00:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Today you deleted a file that was added to Possibly unfree files back when the article Virginia was up for FAC. The image included a welcome sign for a number one ranked high school in the United States, and that welcome sign included a large model of the school's logo. User:Stifle decided that this was a statue and not a welcome sign, a decision I disagree with, since its not an original design. I was unable to find out who built the welcome sign, but don't think that they're relevant to the discussion. At the very least, a user could have added a fair-use rationale, but because I thoroughly disagree, I was going to leave that action for once the discussion was closed. Now it seems that you deleted the file because a template wasn't added. So can you perhaps allow me or another user to add that template, that I guess you believe it needs.-- Patrick { oѺ∞} 18:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I've recently reverted some of your edits here and here. After you were done, the image still had (and has) 2 conflicting licenses on it.-- Rockfang ( talk) 11:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Could you look at User_talk:MBisanz#Need_your_help? Thanks. MBisanz talk 01:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I do have one more question which is not related to Poventud. I uploaded an image from an article. Now, according to Hector A, Garcia Foundation, their images and articles (Projecto Salon Hogar, the source) are Public Domain. Since the old {{PD}} tag is longer used, what would the proper tag be? The image in question is this one: File:Venegas.JPG. Tony the Marine ( talk) 19:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Now the image itself; since it is most likely from around 1948 when he was boxing in the Olympics, it may not have fallen into the public domain yet. I think though that this image an excellent candidate for fair-use. The image is historical (his time in the Olympics, first time for Puerto Rico), nothing similar could be taken (he is no longer in the Olympics and deceased in any case) and the article discusses his participation in the Olympics in detail, I believe it satisfies all the fair-use criteria.
All that said, I'm honestly not positive how US copyright affects Puerto Rico and whether or not there may be local laws that would differ. For example, if we could prove the date the image was published, it may well meet {{ PD-Pre1964}} for having been published before 1964 and the copyright never renewed. It might be helpful to solicit additional options at WP:MCQ. Shell babelfish 12:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out at OTRS, I appreciate it. Regarding the three images I submitted (tickets 2009120910002621, 2009120910003209, and 2009120910003441), I directed each of the authors to look at the 3.0 pages for by and sa, for which they all choose to select the ShareAlike. All of the past authors I have worked with have seen this page and agreed to release it under that license (see examples at my image permissions page). If it is an issue though, I can downgrade it to 2.0. Let me know if you need any further clarification on the above. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 02:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Please note that the deletion discussion conclusion referred to the file having been "published". It was never published in any media. The politician autographed it and simply handed it out as far as is known, or may have even autographed a picture that was sent to him, i.e. returned it. Perhaps this makes no difference in unknown copyright status situations? Oh well, but if there is any value in these comments, let me know, otherwise kindly ignore. -- Fremte ( talk) 00:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Assuming the appointments turn out as expected, I look forward to working with you. Steve Smith ( talk) 23:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
FYI: You are the newly-elected arbitrator that I'm most most pleased to see win. It's good that after two unsuccessful runs the community finally wised up. ScienceApologist ( talk) 14:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! We couldn't have picked a better person. I'm sure you'll do a good job. -- Brangifer ( talk) 16:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for the help Shell. Bye. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 05:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Can you drop a few words at Talk:Star Wars kid#RFC about why we shouldn't include his name? Thanks. AzureFury ( talk | contribs) 23:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 04:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
(As seen on Jimbo's page lol ... We raced to the finish. He won.:-)
{SK.AC.01} ____ At infinite improbability
{SK.AC.02} ____ there's nothing that can't happen. Press engage.
{SK.AC.03} ____ The matrix calculations find the key
{SK.AC.04} ____ to place her, oh so rightly, on the stage.
{SK.AC.05} ____ One year's enough to let her wisdom shine
{SK.AC.06} ____ upon the scales that sometimes lose the light.
{SK.AC.07} ____ (I know the grace her gesture brought to mine.)
{SK.AC.08} ____ The matrix knows her judgement will be right.
{SK.AC.09} ____ The coefficient of her fam'ly brought
{SK.AC.10} ____ a briefer burden — yes, the matrix cares. :-)
{SK.AC.11} ____ Responsibility must not be wrought
{SK.AC.12} ____ by sacrificing too much to affairs.
{SK.AC.13} ____ Of miracles that make this project fly
{SK.AC.14} ____ the one that installed Kinney ranks quite high.-- Proofreader77 ( talk) 06:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Poetic note: "artificial believer" is not iambic pentameter. Dammit! lol -- Proofreader77 ( talk) 04:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on your election. You deserved it (and I mean that as a compliment; given the way arbitrators are treated, one might not be sure). Jehochman Ho ho ho! 01:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
iBen discuss 06:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for being one of the people who has made 2009 such an interesting and enlightening year for me. It has certainly had its challenges, but also many highlights. I wish you peace and contentment in 2010, and a joyous holiday season to you and yours.
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Some miraculous things have happened since there was another one of those "car wrecks" at ANI which ended up with Proofreader77 being threatened with being sitebanned ... for formatting ... too much html ... talking too much ... and writing sonnets. LOL ... Well, I think the (oh so mockably silly in this case) people who decided Proofreader77 was bad for Wikipedia may be changing their minds ...
BUT ... if they hadn't temporarily lost them, I wouldn't have had the wonderful December I've had ...
ANYWAY, "the thing is," if I still find it necessary to come to Arbcom to prove Proofreader77 is "not bad" ... feel free to recuse for the sonnet ...
BUT :-) I will ask that you watch me, ... SEE how I "do" "adversarial" ... and KNOW that "it" doesn't have to be "soul-sucking" "burn-out making" drama ... but INSTEAD tempest-in-a-teapot lighter than air ...
(lol) A little overreaching, but I believe in miracles. And there are tears in my eyes of joy right now, because everything is flowing so wonderfully ... and one bright island in that flow ... was you. And 42! Amen. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year ... and Happy Forever! Best wishes, Shell Kinney, Member of the Arbitration Committee ... 2010. -- Proofreader77 ( talk) 12:46, 25 December 2009 (UTC)