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Hi DanaUllman, Following recent discussion, I think it would be helpful to explain some of my concerns, for example this edit:
Has a number of problems:
I suggest you carefully review wikipedia:gaming the system and wikipedia:disruptive editing. I'll leave a note on Lara's talk page to notify her of this. Addhoc ( talk) 17:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Dana, I think you've been here long enough now that you should have a grasp on what's acceptable and what's not. You've read the policies and should be able to edit unsupervised without getting yourself banned. You're on your own now. Good luck. Lara ❤ Love 19:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I took a look at your statement about homeopathic plants on the npov notice board and you are quite right to say it was a misreading on my part. Thanks for waking me up...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albion moonlight ( talk • contribs) 06:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I drew a line through the part that betrayed my misreading last night. : Albion moonlight ( talk) 06:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Worth starting this article, and would you be interested in this one? [2] — Whig ( talk) 22:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright, thanks, I was able to find it from there. For future reference, when discussing particular actions, what's most useful to others here is pointing them to the record of the specific edit which was made (the "diff"). In this case, it's at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Wanderer57/Problem_with_Homeopathy_Discussions&diff=194939851&oldid=194900463. I generally get these by going to either the modification history of the article or the user's contributions, and then clicking on "last" of the line of the applicable edit and copy that address. The advantage to this method is that it goes directly to the relevant message and you also don't have to worry about forgeries, deletions, or archiving. -- Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 00:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanx Fyslee...and for the record, "quack" IS libelous. Secondly, IMO, it is akin a the "n" word. Yeah...it is THAT offensive, and people who use it should use it very very selectively and with strong evidence DanaUllman Talk 03:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for jumping back here, but I found an on-wiki guide to creating diffs here. This may be better at explaining it to you than I was. -- Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 20:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Dana, this was a most unhelpful edit. You're changing a sourced statement from a longstanding position, without consensus, knowing that it will be reverted shortly. At some point all the edit warring and combative editing has to stop. Jehochman Talk 20:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I can't do that I'm afraid. From the policy - "Semi-protection should not be used as a pre-emptive measure against vandalism that has not yet occurred, nor should it be used solely to prevent editing by anonymous and newly registered users. In particular, it should not be used to settle content disputes." Looking over your recent contributions I can't see any pattern to the various IP editors who have reverted you, what makes you think these are connected? Tim Vickers ( talk) 23:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Apparently most of those IPs were open proxies, which have now been blocked. I suggest that in the future you report any IP that seems to be shadowing you to Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies. Tim Vickers ( talk) 00:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
"Complementary Therapies in Medicine" yeah I think that indicates the quality of the review. Geni 08:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Dana, I don't know if you're a Homeopathic Doctor, but you do seem to be a proponent of Homeopathy. Please download the book, "Homeopathy: The scientific proofs of efficacy" from the http://www.guna.it/eng/ricerca/indice.htm web-site and post the clinical trials it mentions on the Talk:Homeopathy Page (the page is now semi-protected, so only users more than 4 days old can post there - I will need to wait till Tuesday to post there). I'm sure that can help change the viewpoint of the other wikipedia users who call Homeopaths "Quacks". I read on Scientizzle's User Page that one can mention web-sites, so please visit my web-site, http://www.cure4incurables.com for more information about me and e-mail me privately. Of course, if web-sites aren't allowed a mention, please delete the web-sites mentioned. Thanks and Regards, Ramaanand ( talk) 03:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Dr.Jhingaadey
Dear Dana,
Please put this on the Talk:Homeopathy Page and mention it is posted by me (or else the others may think I've bribed you); I'm not yet able to post there directly myself because the Page is semi-writeprotected.
Here are some of the studies/clinical trials:-
REDACTED VANDALISM AND SPAM see Ramaanand's talk
Ramaanand ( talk) 02:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)Dr.Jhingadé
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Arsenicum album. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. You have reverted 3 times already. Baegis ( talk) 03:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Watch it Dana, I don't enjoy such personal attacks. If you have a problem with me, bring it up on AN/I. Fishing will get you nowhere. Baegis ( talk) 04:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
You have been engaged in a low level edit war at Arsenicum album. Other editors have been involved, however you have reverted more often, and have been given more warnings for other disruptive behavior. In accordance with the conditions stated at Talk:Homeopathy/Article probation of which you are aware, I am banning you from all Homeopathy related pages for a period of 7 days. Addhoc ( talk) 12:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Dana, when you return to work on the homeopathy articles, I have a great idea of how serious progress can be made. With you being a homeopath, you have access to these various dilutions in the form that they will be used by patients. Many of the articles on homeopathic remedies could use some images. For example, the Arsenicum album page would be greatly improved by having pictures of the tinctures, tablet, pellet, or powder form of the remedy. Since you probably have these ingredients and a camera, you could take pictures of them, tastefully done of course, and upload them for use in the article. An idea would be to have the big container (or whatever the main material is stored in) surrounded by the different forms. Of course, you would have to release the image under WP policies, but this is merely to insure that they comply with various copyright issues. Also, you can greatly help with more detail regarding preparations and the use of nearly all of these remedies. Here's to some progress for these articles. Baegis ( talk) 15:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I gotta tell you that your photo of Oscillo made me laugh
It's a very strange style of argumentation to say "some editors" and then quote one (me) in particular. Just 'Antelan' if you mean Antelan. I don't think we need to be in argument, especially since you simply stepped into a longstanding disagreement of mine with Hopping. Ironically, the type of medicine practiced by osteopathic physicians would fall under the unpleasant label "allpathic", since in the US they practice in the same way as MDs. Ante lan talk 01:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
There are several good sources: Have you looked at this website called wikipedia? allopathy is one good place that has lots of good references. Also, at this big and vocal promoter of homeopathy's user-page [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin#Allopathic] (please excuse my warped sense of humor...my apologies OM, but a guy can wish, can't he? DanaUllman Talk 02:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
To reply to what you posted on my talk page [8]:
The reference you posted to support your contention that Smith was a "homeopathic physician" didn't support this, for reasons that, as per my edit summary, I set out on the talk page [9] for the article (you really ought to pay attention to what's posted on talk pages - it looks as if a failure to do this is what led to your current ban). Once I had tracked down the hard-copy reference you gave, it turned out to be to one of Darwin's letters [10] in which he wrote, "Dr Smith, I think, is sensible, but he is a Homœopathist!! & as far as I can judge does not personally look much after patients or anything else." It is unclear exactly what Darwin meant by "Homœopathist!!"; he could have meant that he practised as a "homoeopathic physician", but he could equally meant that used homoeopathy as an occasional adjunct to his "water cure", or that he was merely a believer in homoeopathy. It looks almost as if Darwin was using the term "homoeopathist" in a derogatory sense, as something that no "sensible" person should be.
You now seem to have found a better reference for Smith's status as a homoeopath, but I would still question whether, in the absence of any evidence that he acted as a homoeopath for Darwin, this is relevant in an article about Charles Darwin's illness and treatment. If you do decide to reinstate this, I would also question the use of the term "homeopathic physician" rather than simply "homeopath". This is hardly current usage, and although it sounds fancy the word "physician" is redundant as the article has already established that Smith was a doctor.
As for making the edit on your behalf as you have requested, I'm not sure that circumventing a ban by recruiting another editor to edit a page on your behalf is within the rules here. In view of the probation on homoeopathy-related pages and the recent rash of sanctions against editors of those pages I'd rather not consider this. Brunton ( talk) 13:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
In the U.S., the term is used to make a distinction not only between two types of degrees (MD & DO), but two types of exams (COMLEX & USMLE), two types of residency programs (ACGME & AOA), two matching programs (NRMP & NMS), two medical traditions/cultures, etc.
Bryan Hopping T 20:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
There are many more examples over on the Wikitionary Talk:Allopathic page. Cheers!
Thanks for you kind words. As far as being ganged up on . . . don't even get me started. Bryan Hopping T 04:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
One source (Peter) says that the duck lungs and heart are used:
Another source (US News and world report) says the duck liver and heart are used:
So which is correct?
-- Filll ( talk) 17:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Some discussion of various pellet sizes [11].-- Filll ( talk) 17:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
It states:
Medicated Pellets are manufactured in various sizes e.g. #10 pellets (very small), #20 pellets (small), #35 pellets (regular) and #55 pellets (large). While the diameter of the medicated pellet differs from size to size
So what are those diameters? Weights? Volumes? What are they made of?-- Filll ( talk) 17:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I have found many different methods for making LM dilutions. For example:
Overview: No 10 globules are required for saturation of medicine in LM potency. 100 globules are equivalent to 1 grain (i.e. 65 mg). 500 globules to be soaked in one drop of previous potency. One such medicated globule is required for next degree of dynamization in LM scale.
Hence 1/500 th of a drop instead of one full drop is used in LM potency. The material part of the medicine is reduced by (1/500 x 1/100 = 1/50,000) 50,000 times for each degree of dynamization and at the same time the curative power of the medicine increases tremendously. (makes little sense of course).
Gives two different procedures:
LM (50 millesimal, Q) - the second potency scale developed by Hahnemann, introduced in the sixth edition of the Organon. Start with a 3c triturate of a remedy. One part is placed into 500 drops liquid (400 drops water, 100 drops alcohol). One drop is placed into 100 drops of alcohol. This is succussed by hand 100 times. One drop of this mixture is used to medicate 500 #10 pellets. This is the Q1 potency(sometimes written 0/1). The Q2 is made by taking 1 of these medicated pellets, putting it into 1 drop of water, and then mixing into 100 drops of alcohol. This mixture is succussed 100 times by hand.
Today, the HPUS standard differs from Hahnemann's. The following excerpt is taken from HPUS Abstracts - General Pharmacy:
LM (50 millesimal, Q) - the second potency scale developed by Hahnemann, introduced in the sixth edition of the Organon. Start with a 3c triturate of a remedy. One part is placed into 500 drops liquid (4 parts water, 1 part alcohol 95% v/v). One drop is placed into 2 ml alcohol 95% v/v. This is succussed by hand 100 times. One drop of this mixture is used to medicate 500 #10 pellets. This is the Q1 potency (sometimes written 0/1). The Q2 is made by taking 1 of these medicated pellet and placing it into 2 ml alcohol 95% v/v. This mixture is succussed 100 times by hand."
Main difference appears to be a confusion about what 95% v/v means.--
Filll (
talk) 20:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
-states one grain is 0.062 grams.
-States most of their remedies are processed to LM/120
-very confusing part about 8 successive triturations that makes no sense
-refers to subtriturations which I do not know about
dissolve one grain of trituration (supposedly 3CH) in 500 drops of water/alcohol (400 drops water, 100 drops alcohol 94%)
Then mix one drop with 100 drops alcohol and succuss to get LM1
Put on 500 "granules"
Take one granule, dissolve in one drop of water and put in 100 drops of alcohol.
This is LM/2
etc
So, in light of this, do you have any idea or opinion on which is most common? Which might be a standard? Which might be closest to what Hahnemann suggested? Thanks.-- Filll ( talk) 12:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
In the library today, I ran across more books on homeopathy by other Ullmans. Any relations? Or connection?-- Filll ( talk) 17:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
No. I did see it on the library shelf however. I might take a peek at it next time I am there. I am trying to really get enough information together to write this subarticle I have been working on very slowly. It is quite painful to do, with the quality of the references, that is for sure. However, it shows how badly an article is needed to clean up some of this mess.-- Filll ( talk) 21:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Would you consider appearing on [16]? It is easiest with a headset, or you can use a microphone and speakers. It is also possible to do it with a telephone in the US and Canada. I have done it twice so far and it was sort of fun. -- Filll ( talk) 14:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Well the interviews are typically 20 or 30 minutes long, but the discussion can be longer or shorter as needs be. Skype is free, and it works best if you have a headset, although you can use a microphone and speakers. Anyone who is on the internet can listen to them; they are available at that page linked above. You can listen to previous shows to see what you think. It does not have to be about homeopathy; it can be about anything you are interested in, as you can see from the list of past and future topics.-- Filll ( talk) 00:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
You will want to read this comment of mine [17] and the answers to it. You should have warned the editors at Talk:Homeopathy that this study had already been shooted down at Talk:Arsenicum album. I'm not sure of the reach of the probation that you are subject to, as in wether it extends to all homeopathy articles or just Homeopathy, or if pushing studies on talk pages can be considered a breach. I'm also posting on Talk:Homeopathy/Article_probation/Incidents -- Enric Naval ( talk) 23:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Just to tell I opened another similar incident at Talk:Homeopathy/Article_probation/Incidents#gross_WP:COI_on_pushing_of_another_shooted_down_study -- Enric Naval ( talk) 14:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Be careful. There are sock puppets of banned users who may seek to involve you in their mischief. See [19] and [20]. Jehochman Talk 16:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I can't answer right now your message, I g2g -- Enric Naval ( talk) 18:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, I see you keep posting about the studies at Homeopathy. You were adviced by Jehochman to take a holiday on the homeopathy article and I also did advice you to do that. You should trust more the other editors there to decide what studies are RS for the article:
Please start accepting that you might be wrong about the studies you bring for addition to the articles. While they might be valid on Berkeley and on conferences and congresses, that doesn't mean that they must be valid for sourcing articles on wikipedia. Please really take that holiday and think about the fact that you could be wrong on some points and pushing too hard against editors that disagree with you -- Enric Naval ( talk) 22:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
At the article on homeopathy, I have begun to engage Scientizzle in a healthy dialogue. I hope that we too can do that. I am broadly familiar with broad body of basic science and clinical science literature in homeopathy, not just the "positive" trials but the "negative" ones...as well as the ones in-between. Enric, you only began editing in the homeopathy sector on wikipedia for 1-2 months now (unless you are another sock who just hasn't been caught yet...please know that I am NOT accusing you of this, and I AGF...but to me, it is curious that you only just began to edit here, and yet, you assume to have greater knowledge on this subject than other editors who have studies this subject for several decades). Can you say with any type of authority that you have a similar broad familiarity with this body of research? Baegis, are you also willing to make a similar assertion? I ask this because I cannot help but sense that you're familiar with a relatively small number of trials in homeopathy and have mostly read abstracts. That said, I would love it if my sense of things is wrong. DanaUllman Talk 00:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Now you are saying "Unless you can provide evidence for Linde's comments relating with Arsencium album and/or environmental toxicology, your additions will need to be changed or deleted." [21], yet you haven't still answered the evidence on the probation incidents page about all the objections to the studies you are pushing forward. Dana, you need to address the objections raised by other editors to your proposals and your wordings before engaging on restoring them on the articles. At this moment, I don't think that other editors will agree with those changes or deletions unless you really start addressing some of those issues. So, read Talk:Homeopathy/Article_probation/Incidents#Section_I_-_The_Cazin_study_and_Linde_metaanalysis and actually address some of the issues for a change, please.
I have already asked Shoemaker on his talk page to fill the edit summaries for other editors to see what the hell he's doing on his edits. I have looked at his edits and he doesn't seem to be engaging on any deception based on not filling the edit summary. He is just continuing to edit the same section as the last edit where he provided an edit summary, so it looks like he just didn't consider the summary necessary. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 00:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
You said on one comment that you were curious about when I had started homeopathy articles. I don't remember exactly, but I think it was when I decided to check what Wikipedia had to say about homeopathy, and see if I could help with the article.
Checking my contributions, my first edit Homeopathy's page was this one [22], asking people, specially User:Randy Blackamoor, to not misuse the talk page, which, ironically enough , almost a month and a half later is exactly what I am saying that you are doing by pushing those studies. Note that you had also posted on that very same thread, so you were one of the posters that I was asking not to fill the talk page, altought at that moment I had no idea who you were, and I didn't distinguish you from the other editors on the page until much later.
Notice that I was inactive during a lot of time. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 21:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, this removal of sourced text had nothing to do with the edit summary justifying it [23], and the editor justified his changes on the incident reporting page. Please, think again about following Jehochman's advice to take a holiday from editing homeopathy articles. I fear that you are taking this too personally, please try to take a rest before you enter an edit war over this and get yourself blocked. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 13:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/DanaUllman for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Enric Naval ( talk) 01:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Answered here -- Enric Naval ( talk) 14:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
You will probably be interesed in Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Wikipedia:BLP_subject_response. Cheers. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to invite you to consider taking part in the AGF Challenge which has been proposed for use in the RfA process [24] by User: Kim Bruning. You can answer in multiple choice format, or using essay answers, or anonymously. You can of course skip any parts of the Challenge you find objectionable or inadvisable.-- Filll ( talk) 14:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
An arbitration case has been filed involving you: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#DanaUllman Appropriate links will also be given on the various pages that I am aware you edit, in order to give all a say. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 01:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 10:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, your recent statement at Talk:Potassium dichromate is, in my opinion, highly inappropriate.
I have not yet offered an opinion at the ArbCom case because I am of mixed feelings (I'm also just not a fan of beurocratic tedium). First off, I don't necessarily think the encyclopedia is better off blocking an expert of your qualification from providing input. On the other hand, it appears your day job--promoting homeopathy--may be spilling over too much into Wikipedia.
Are you getting piled upon? Perhaps, and perhaps unduly so. But it's clear that your track record of repetitively hammering certain things for inclusion or removal (or a certain wording, etc.), in spite of clear consensus against, is damaging your ability to do anything actually useful. This leads progressively to stronger pushback, and degrades merit-based discussions as both sides snipe.
This recent offering absolutely won't help. Please reconsider your words, and your editing strategies. — Scien tizzle 18:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
[I've been working on this reply for a few hours, on and off, while I tried to get some work done. In that time, I've received and read all of your messages, and I've been updating the whole thing as I go to respond to specific points.]
Dana, while I appreciate that your complaint may not have been directed at me, it still doesn't address the underlying issues:
— Scien tizzle 00:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Did you get my mail? -- Hans Adler ( talk) 23:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In the light of the thread below I want to make it clear that I contacted Dana by email and not the other way round. Dana never contacted me, he only replied to my email. I left the above message to certify that it was the owner of my account who asked him privately about a specific point on which I wanted clarity fast. (This point was unrelated to the arbitration, Dana made clear he didn't think it such a big deal, and now someone else has solved the problem without my assistance anyway.) -- Hans Adler ( talk) 10:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, this is canvassing. It is against WP policies to go soliciting for reinforcements for your viewpoint. Please reconsider your post. Baegis ( talk) 07:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
You have persisted in disrupting homeopathy-related topics, including tendentious arguments, soapboxing, and accusations against other editors. For example, your behavior (both over the long-term and more recently) at Potassium dichromate ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is completely unacceptable. You are well aware of the community standards. You have been clearly informed what is not acceptable within this often-heated topic area. You are have been notified of Talk:Homeopathy/Article probation, and previously subject to its sanctions. Given your history, you are banned from all homeopathy related topics, broadly construed, for three months. I do not intend this ban to extend to arbitration pages. Vassyana ( talk) 10:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's
no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to
blocks for disruption. Please
stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.--
Enric Naval (
talk) 05:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I've taken some time away and discussed the issue with a couple of sysops for a sanity check. I will not be repealing the topic ban. After review, it seems like a more severe sanction would actually be appropriate. Part of what is distressing to me is that you show no indication that you accept that your actions are in any way problematic. (That is not to say that you're the only one at fault, as the topic area is plagued with issues, but "he started it" or "she's breaking the rules" are not valid defenses.) I sincerely beseech you to reconsider the approach and path that you have taken. Please review the advice and warnings that you have received regarding your participation in this area of the wiki, especially from uninvolved parties. It has been made abundantly clear to you what is a problem and why. You are obviously more than intelligent and social enough to make the necessary adjustments in your approach. You are very knowledgeable and eloquent, having quite a bit you could contribute to Wikipedia. However, you need to make serious course corrections, as your current contributing pattern is much more disruptive than productive. Even within the article Homeopathy by itself, there are numerous areas that could use improvement, revision and expansion that are far less likely to encounter opposition and confrontations. I find it unfortunate that a knowledgeable contributor such as yourself has not found a way to participate in a constructive and cooperative fashion, and I sincerely hope that may change. Vassyana ( talk) 12:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
My talkpage is not the place for you and other editors to debate what sources should go in the homeopathy article. Tim Vickers ( talk) 03:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please participate in a respectful and civil way, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I am posting the entirety of the 1994 Lancet editorial that accompanied the third (of what later became 4 trials using homeopathic medicines in the treatment of respiratory allergies), and under this is the entirety of the 2000 BMJ editorial that accompanied the fourth trial. Despite the strong evidence from these high-impact journals and despite the editorial support that acknowledged these studies as having "exceptional rigour," the anti-homeopathy editors stonewall their inclusion on wikipedia. When will this stonewalling stop?
The BMJ editorial is from 2000 (not 2004 as stated in the first sentence of this section)[error to which this referred has been corrected], so does not consider, for example, this
[28] later and larger study which failed to confirm the earlier findings. The first sentence as quoted here is not part of the actual editorial, but its title, or headline. The body of the editorial is clearly reporting Reilly and his team's belief that "it may be time to confront the conclusion that homoeopathy and placebo differ", rather than the editorial opinion of the Journal.
Brunton (
talk) 16:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Homeopathic Preparation of Galphimia Potentisation D6, Galphimia Dilution 10-6, and Placebo on Pollinosis," Arzneim.-Forsch/Drug Research, 35(II), 11(1985):1745-7 (this trial was the 7th trial by this group of researchers). Thanx for asking. DanaUllman Talk 13:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Brunton, the fact that the Lancet AND the BMJ have published Reilly's research shows its notability. The fact that they both provided editorial comment on it provides stronger notability. Whether there is or isn't additional replication doesn't diminish its notability. Editors should mention this work, as well as Lewith's effort to replicate it (along with some critique of this "replication") As for that Darwin letter, I quote that entire letter that Darwin wrote in my book, The H.omeopathic Revolution, and acknowledged Darwin's skepticism...but I also note that he acknowledged that, despite his skepticism, Gully's treating were curing people (as Darwin noted that this girl did recover...and Darwin himself never again experienced those fainting spells, spots before his eyes, heart palpitations and select other symptoms which he had had for 2-12 years. His nausea was only temporarily paliated, but previously Darwin wrote that he was dying (and that was 10 years BEFORE he wrote his seminal work). If your goal was really NPOV, you would bring the Reilly's research to the article, but you're not: you have not yet brought any study to the article that had a positive result, though I really look forward to the day that you prove me wrong (I really do). DanaUllman Talk 19:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
You are under a topic ban, broadly construed. Cease using your page to advocate and circumvent the ban. Such will not be tolerated, and neither will meatpuppetry. If it is necessary, you will be blocked and your talk page fully protected. Vassyana ( talk) 19:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanx Antelan! DanaUllman Talk 13:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for understanding. There is normally quite a large degree of freedom in userspace. For users under a topic ban, userspace should not be used to circumvent the ban, but I do understand how there may have been a misunderstanding about the scope of the topic ban. I would sincerely recommend that you focus on some other topics areas to demonstrate to the community that you can work within the standards and rules of Wikipedia. When there is reason for editors to generally expect less-than-exemplar behavior, the best thing you can do is demonstrate clearly that you can be a productive editors. If you have any other questions, please feel free to drop a line on my talk page. Vassyana ( talk) 04:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Have read some of your books on Homeopathy and I truly appreciate the service you have done to the field of homeopathy.
Dilip rajeev ( talk) 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to ask if you happen to use Bach Remedies in your practice? In fact, I have a rather deep interest in both homeopathy and Bach Flower Therapy - I maintain a website on Bach Flower Therapy -
http://bachtherapy.org .. just hoping you'll find it interesting.. :)
Thanks and Regards, Dilip rajeev ( talk) 14:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I would once again express my intense interest in having you come to WP:NTWW to participate in one of the podcasts as our guest. You can see the previous episodes on the NTWW page and listen to them. You can participate by headset over your computer, or by telephone or by dialing in to a conference call number we set up. Please consider this. We would love to have you!-- Filll ( talk) 16:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I got your invitation to participate in NTWW, and I just downloaded skype, though I still need to get a head-set. That said, I'm a bit confused about several things. I do not find a table of contents for each conversation. How does someone know the subject of a forum, either as they are happening or after the fact? How long are the conversations? Also, you may have noticed that I may soon be banned from wiki for a year. Does this ban mean that I cannot participate in NTWW? I'm still shocked that so many editors have worked, seemingly very effectively, to mute an expert on homeopathy. Your silence has been loud. What is your intentions with the NTWW? DanaUllman Talk 15:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
You are blocked with no defined ending period, pending the resolution of your ArbCom case. You were placed under a topic ban and warned about circumventing it. [32] [33] Despite your topic ban, you have still participated/advocated in homeopathy-related topics. [34] (Previous involvement: [35] [36] )I have posted a note on the proposed decision page so that the clerks and arbitrators are aware of your block. Vassyana ( talk) 09:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Admin Tim Vickers clearly told me that my topic ban did NOT extend to user pages. [41] I acted in good faith in following his advice. At this point, I am concerned that some admins are being gamed into blocking me during the Arb committee hearing, and I feel that this mistreatment is leading to a prejudical hearing. It was problematic enough that Vassyana previously chose to give me a 3-month topic ban due to my good faith efforts to include a potentially notable study conducted at the University of Vienna and published in the leading pulmonary journal in the world, while only giving a slap on the hand to another editor for being uncivil. I have maintained civility and referenced notable RS research, and yet, I have been punished for doing so. When will someone come to their senses and when will NPOV really be in evidence?
Decline reason:
I concur with the block here: the parameters of the topic ban were made very clear to you. I am not convinced that you are able to edit constructively at the time being, and unblocking you would not be productive. A second consideration can be made of this matter after the conclusion of the Arbitration case. Anthøny 19:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
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Please note that Tim endorsed the block, as you disregarded his advice as well. [42] Vassyana ( talk) 20:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure, Enric, but the blocking admin is generally given the upper hand on such determinations. It is convenient that you chose to cherrypick that comment from Tim rather than his specific assertion that he felt that I deserved a warning, not a block [47] Enric, you seem to like to hit a man when he's down. I hope admins watch you more closely. DanaUllman Talk 13:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Dana: while the phrase about "judging other wikipedians' actions" may make it appear that this is not relevant, I sincerely suggest that you take note of points two and three [49]. Brunton ( talk) 21:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Per our email discussion, in which some confusion was cleared up, I am unblocking you. You are still under the topic ban, and I appreciate your understanding agreement to adhere to it. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me. Vassyana ( talk) 02:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict (defined as articles which relate to homeopathy, broadly interpreted) if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to the topic or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project. User DanaUllman ( talk · contribs) has been banned from Wikipedia for a period of one year. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Nishkid64 ( Make articles, not wikidrama) 23:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
You're being discussed here. Thought you should know. Cheers, Skinwalker ( talk) 22:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
In light of this discussion, and of past problems.. I think it's best that you stay entirely away from homeopathy-related articles and their associated talk pages. Will you agree to this voluntarily? Friday (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:Homeopathy. Thank you.
this is not acceptable, and it looks a continuation of your behaviour before your ban in March and April 2008, for example about Baegis or about myself and Shoemaker or several editors in a talk page, or about Scientizzle, or about Brunton and then myself, and that in January 2008 one of your first contribs was a bad faith accusations [50].
I'm not going to reply to your comment in that talk page. This very same page still has visible four warnings about asssuming good faith here, here, here and here. The next time you imply that I or someone else are editing in bad faith without actual proof, I'll just report you to WP:WQA so outside editors can comment.
Aaaaand I remind you that Homeopathy is under probation and that, being fresh out of a ban, you should be in your best behaviour. And this is a good-faith advice, by the way, because your contributions occassionally result in improvements to the article, but this is offset by things like frequent bad faith assumptions about the interpretation of sources, so please drop those assumptions and stay with the useful edits. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Your conduct has been raised for review here. Please take the time to respond and comment there. I strongly recommend, as I did previously, that you reconsider your approach and carriage. Your recent conduct is of the same variety that lead to previous sanctions being imposed, including the ban imposed by the Arbitration Committee. Yes, I know others may have engaged in some shenigans, but that is not a valid defense.
Additionally, I have imposed a two-week topic ban under the discretionary sanction enforcement imposed by ArbCom. This topic ban covers the homeopathy topic area across all namespaces, broadly construed, includer userspace and user talk pages. This should not be construed as denying you the right of response and participation in noticeboard threads regarding your conduct or contributions. It is a temporary measure while the situation is being discussed. I sincerely implore you to reconsider and reflect upon your conduct. You have shown no sign that you understand while previous sanctions were imposed and no indications that you will change your behavior accordingly. Thus, I regretfully impose this short-term topic ban until a more permanent solution can be achieved. Whether this lasting solution is a full community ban, some set of restrictions, or the continued freedom to edit unrestricted falls entirely upon you. -- Vassyana ( talk) 03:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
(copied here from ANI)
Dana - What you are trying to do with Wikipedia is essentially to synthesize a secondary source here, from a number of primary sources. You have been constantly treading on the grey line dividing normal summarization and reporting and paraphrasing legitimate secondary and primary sources, and WP:SYNTH (and in the process, WP:BATTLE, and other related policies).
You are, for all intents and purposes, too close to the topic to be doing what you've been doing here.
If you go out and write overview secondary source / tertiary source articles in reliable publications, those can be cited in Wikipedia. Trying to write that material directly in here - what you've been striving to do (directly with pre-Arbcom-block, and indirectly with talk page discussion since) - is not acceptable behavior.
Fighting the secondary sources battle in Wikipedia is all about what WP:SYNTH and WP:BATTLE show is entirely what Wikipedia is not here for.
If you will not work to understand that, in good faith, then you need to leave the project. In this case, your being an expert (and as experts are, particularly opinionated) is leading to significant mis-use of the Wikipedia project. This type of debate is not what we're here for. Please accept that, or leave of your own accord. You will do your field much better work if you write these synthesizing opinions and reviews and overviews elsewhere and let others include those (presumably, as you're clearly an expert) reliable secondary sources here once you've published elsewere.
Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
For Dana's reference, Shell also wrote in regards to this ban: "As for future removal, I would be happy to review the ban later if DanaUllman has shown an ability and interest in editing productively in other topic areas. Also, ArbCom is still a standard option for reviewing such sanctions." — Whig ( talk) 22:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Dana, please remember to assume good faith of other editors. On Talk:Louis Pasteur and Talk:Child abuse you’ve complained about other editors “following you around”, “writing against whatever you write”, “making personal attacks” and “simply trying to disrupt discussion”. But you know the community at large has a problem with your attempts at using Wikipedia to promote homeopathy, and you know you’ve been sanctioned for this behaviour, so don’t pretend that this kind of scrutiny is unwarranted. — NRen2k5( TALK), 01:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for being blunt, but if you've decided to return to editing at Wikipedia, it would be best if you steered far from anything remotely similar to you past problems. I suggest avoiding anything related to health or medicine, especially where WP:ARB/PS might apply. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Ronz, your condescending attitude smells and speaks volumes about you. Please take it away from my page and show respect and good faith. DanaUllman Talk 18:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dana. I want to ask you - is this comment a pejorative involving your name I just realized they might mean you - or it is my inability to get the benign joke ? Flogging a dead horse George. Is your real name Dullman? -Roxy the dog (resonate) 19:25, 10 March 2014 Are you still banned from homeopathy? I think you might be and cannot find the reasons in the board. Anyhow. Thanks. (UTC -- George1935 ( talk) 16:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hi DanaUllman, Following recent discussion, I think it would be helpful to explain some of my concerns, for example this edit:
Has a number of problems:
I suggest you carefully review wikipedia:gaming the system and wikipedia:disruptive editing. I'll leave a note on Lara's talk page to notify her of this. Addhoc ( talk) 17:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Dana, I think you've been here long enough now that you should have a grasp on what's acceptable and what's not. You've read the policies and should be able to edit unsupervised without getting yourself banned. You're on your own now. Good luck. Lara ❤ Love 19:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I took a look at your statement about homeopathic plants on the npov notice board and you are quite right to say it was a misreading on my part. Thanks for waking me up...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albion moonlight ( talk • contribs) 06:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I drew a line through the part that betrayed my misreading last night. : Albion moonlight ( talk) 06:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Worth starting this article, and would you be interested in this one? [2] — Whig ( talk) 22:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright, thanks, I was able to find it from there. For future reference, when discussing particular actions, what's most useful to others here is pointing them to the record of the specific edit which was made (the "diff"). In this case, it's at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Wanderer57/Problem_with_Homeopathy_Discussions&diff=194939851&oldid=194900463. I generally get these by going to either the modification history of the article or the user's contributions, and then clicking on "last" of the line of the applicable edit and copy that address. The advantage to this method is that it goes directly to the relevant message and you also don't have to worry about forgeries, deletions, or archiving. -- Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 00:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanx Fyslee...and for the record, "quack" IS libelous. Secondly, IMO, it is akin a the "n" word. Yeah...it is THAT offensive, and people who use it should use it very very selectively and with strong evidence DanaUllman Talk 03:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for jumping back here, but I found an on-wiki guide to creating diffs here. This may be better at explaining it to you than I was. -- Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 20:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Dana, this was a most unhelpful edit. You're changing a sourced statement from a longstanding position, without consensus, knowing that it will be reverted shortly. At some point all the edit warring and combative editing has to stop. Jehochman Talk 20:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I can't do that I'm afraid. From the policy - "Semi-protection should not be used as a pre-emptive measure against vandalism that has not yet occurred, nor should it be used solely to prevent editing by anonymous and newly registered users. In particular, it should not be used to settle content disputes." Looking over your recent contributions I can't see any pattern to the various IP editors who have reverted you, what makes you think these are connected? Tim Vickers ( talk) 23:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Apparently most of those IPs were open proxies, which have now been blocked. I suggest that in the future you report any IP that seems to be shadowing you to Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies. Tim Vickers ( talk) 00:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
"Complementary Therapies in Medicine" yeah I think that indicates the quality of the review. Geni 08:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Dana, I don't know if you're a Homeopathic Doctor, but you do seem to be a proponent of Homeopathy. Please download the book, "Homeopathy: The scientific proofs of efficacy" from the http://www.guna.it/eng/ricerca/indice.htm web-site and post the clinical trials it mentions on the Talk:Homeopathy Page (the page is now semi-protected, so only users more than 4 days old can post there - I will need to wait till Tuesday to post there). I'm sure that can help change the viewpoint of the other wikipedia users who call Homeopaths "Quacks". I read on Scientizzle's User Page that one can mention web-sites, so please visit my web-site, http://www.cure4incurables.com for more information about me and e-mail me privately. Of course, if web-sites aren't allowed a mention, please delete the web-sites mentioned. Thanks and Regards, Ramaanand ( talk) 03:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Dr.Jhingaadey
Dear Dana,
Please put this on the Talk:Homeopathy Page and mention it is posted by me (or else the others may think I've bribed you); I'm not yet able to post there directly myself because the Page is semi-writeprotected.
Here are some of the studies/clinical trials:-
REDACTED VANDALISM AND SPAM see Ramaanand's talk
Ramaanand ( talk) 02:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)Dr.Jhingadé
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Arsenicum album. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. You have reverted 3 times already. Baegis ( talk) 03:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Watch it Dana, I don't enjoy such personal attacks. If you have a problem with me, bring it up on AN/I. Fishing will get you nowhere. Baegis ( talk) 04:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
You have been engaged in a low level edit war at Arsenicum album. Other editors have been involved, however you have reverted more often, and have been given more warnings for other disruptive behavior. In accordance with the conditions stated at Talk:Homeopathy/Article probation of which you are aware, I am banning you from all Homeopathy related pages for a period of 7 days. Addhoc ( talk) 12:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Dana, when you return to work on the homeopathy articles, I have a great idea of how serious progress can be made. With you being a homeopath, you have access to these various dilutions in the form that they will be used by patients. Many of the articles on homeopathic remedies could use some images. For example, the Arsenicum album page would be greatly improved by having pictures of the tinctures, tablet, pellet, or powder form of the remedy. Since you probably have these ingredients and a camera, you could take pictures of them, tastefully done of course, and upload them for use in the article. An idea would be to have the big container (or whatever the main material is stored in) surrounded by the different forms. Of course, you would have to release the image under WP policies, but this is merely to insure that they comply with various copyright issues. Also, you can greatly help with more detail regarding preparations and the use of nearly all of these remedies. Here's to some progress for these articles. Baegis ( talk) 15:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I gotta tell you that your photo of Oscillo made me laugh
It's a very strange style of argumentation to say "some editors" and then quote one (me) in particular. Just 'Antelan' if you mean Antelan. I don't think we need to be in argument, especially since you simply stepped into a longstanding disagreement of mine with Hopping. Ironically, the type of medicine practiced by osteopathic physicians would fall under the unpleasant label "allpathic", since in the US they practice in the same way as MDs. Ante lan talk 01:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
There are several good sources: Have you looked at this website called wikipedia? allopathy is one good place that has lots of good references. Also, at this big and vocal promoter of homeopathy's user-page [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin#Allopathic] (please excuse my warped sense of humor...my apologies OM, but a guy can wish, can't he? DanaUllman Talk 02:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
To reply to what you posted on my talk page [8]:
The reference you posted to support your contention that Smith was a "homeopathic physician" didn't support this, for reasons that, as per my edit summary, I set out on the talk page [9] for the article (you really ought to pay attention to what's posted on talk pages - it looks as if a failure to do this is what led to your current ban). Once I had tracked down the hard-copy reference you gave, it turned out to be to one of Darwin's letters [10] in which he wrote, "Dr Smith, I think, is sensible, but he is a Homœopathist!! & as far as I can judge does not personally look much after patients or anything else." It is unclear exactly what Darwin meant by "Homœopathist!!"; he could have meant that he practised as a "homoeopathic physician", but he could equally meant that used homoeopathy as an occasional adjunct to his "water cure", or that he was merely a believer in homoeopathy. It looks almost as if Darwin was using the term "homoeopathist" in a derogatory sense, as something that no "sensible" person should be.
You now seem to have found a better reference for Smith's status as a homoeopath, but I would still question whether, in the absence of any evidence that he acted as a homoeopath for Darwin, this is relevant in an article about Charles Darwin's illness and treatment. If you do decide to reinstate this, I would also question the use of the term "homeopathic physician" rather than simply "homeopath". This is hardly current usage, and although it sounds fancy the word "physician" is redundant as the article has already established that Smith was a doctor.
As for making the edit on your behalf as you have requested, I'm not sure that circumventing a ban by recruiting another editor to edit a page on your behalf is within the rules here. In view of the probation on homoeopathy-related pages and the recent rash of sanctions against editors of those pages I'd rather not consider this. Brunton ( talk) 13:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
In the U.S., the term is used to make a distinction not only between two types of degrees (MD & DO), but two types of exams (COMLEX & USMLE), two types of residency programs (ACGME & AOA), two matching programs (NRMP & NMS), two medical traditions/cultures, etc.
Bryan Hopping T 20:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
There are many more examples over on the Wikitionary Talk:Allopathic page. Cheers!
Thanks for you kind words. As far as being ganged up on . . . don't even get me started. Bryan Hopping T 04:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
One source (Peter) says that the duck lungs and heart are used:
Another source (US News and world report) says the duck liver and heart are used:
So which is correct?
-- Filll ( talk) 17:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Some discussion of various pellet sizes [11].-- Filll ( talk) 17:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
It states:
Medicated Pellets are manufactured in various sizes e.g. #10 pellets (very small), #20 pellets (small), #35 pellets (regular) and #55 pellets (large). While the diameter of the medicated pellet differs from size to size
So what are those diameters? Weights? Volumes? What are they made of?-- Filll ( talk) 17:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I have found many different methods for making LM dilutions. For example:
Overview: No 10 globules are required for saturation of medicine in LM potency. 100 globules are equivalent to 1 grain (i.e. 65 mg). 500 globules to be soaked in one drop of previous potency. One such medicated globule is required for next degree of dynamization in LM scale.
Hence 1/500 th of a drop instead of one full drop is used in LM potency. The material part of the medicine is reduced by (1/500 x 1/100 = 1/50,000) 50,000 times for each degree of dynamization and at the same time the curative power of the medicine increases tremendously. (makes little sense of course).
Gives two different procedures:
LM (50 millesimal, Q) - the second potency scale developed by Hahnemann, introduced in the sixth edition of the Organon. Start with a 3c triturate of a remedy. One part is placed into 500 drops liquid (400 drops water, 100 drops alcohol). One drop is placed into 100 drops of alcohol. This is succussed by hand 100 times. One drop of this mixture is used to medicate 500 #10 pellets. This is the Q1 potency(sometimes written 0/1). The Q2 is made by taking 1 of these medicated pellets, putting it into 1 drop of water, and then mixing into 100 drops of alcohol. This mixture is succussed 100 times by hand.
Today, the HPUS standard differs from Hahnemann's. The following excerpt is taken from HPUS Abstracts - General Pharmacy:
LM (50 millesimal, Q) - the second potency scale developed by Hahnemann, introduced in the sixth edition of the Organon. Start with a 3c triturate of a remedy. One part is placed into 500 drops liquid (4 parts water, 1 part alcohol 95% v/v). One drop is placed into 2 ml alcohol 95% v/v. This is succussed by hand 100 times. One drop of this mixture is used to medicate 500 #10 pellets. This is the Q1 potency (sometimes written 0/1). The Q2 is made by taking 1 of these medicated pellet and placing it into 2 ml alcohol 95% v/v. This mixture is succussed 100 times by hand."
Main difference appears to be a confusion about what 95% v/v means.--
Filll (
talk) 20:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
-states one grain is 0.062 grams.
-States most of their remedies are processed to LM/120
-very confusing part about 8 successive triturations that makes no sense
-refers to subtriturations which I do not know about
dissolve one grain of trituration (supposedly 3CH) in 500 drops of water/alcohol (400 drops water, 100 drops alcohol 94%)
Then mix one drop with 100 drops alcohol and succuss to get LM1
Put on 500 "granules"
Take one granule, dissolve in one drop of water and put in 100 drops of alcohol.
This is LM/2
etc
So, in light of this, do you have any idea or opinion on which is most common? Which might be a standard? Which might be closest to what Hahnemann suggested? Thanks.-- Filll ( talk) 12:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
In the library today, I ran across more books on homeopathy by other Ullmans. Any relations? Or connection?-- Filll ( talk) 17:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
No. I did see it on the library shelf however. I might take a peek at it next time I am there. I am trying to really get enough information together to write this subarticle I have been working on very slowly. It is quite painful to do, with the quality of the references, that is for sure. However, it shows how badly an article is needed to clean up some of this mess.-- Filll ( talk) 21:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Would you consider appearing on [16]? It is easiest with a headset, or you can use a microphone and speakers. It is also possible to do it with a telephone in the US and Canada. I have done it twice so far and it was sort of fun. -- Filll ( talk) 14:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Well the interviews are typically 20 or 30 minutes long, but the discussion can be longer or shorter as needs be. Skype is free, and it works best if you have a headset, although you can use a microphone and speakers. Anyone who is on the internet can listen to them; they are available at that page linked above. You can listen to previous shows to see what you think. It does not have to be about homeopathy; it can be about anything you are interested in, as you can see from the list of past and future topics.-- Filll ( talk) 00:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
You will want to read this comment of mine [17] and the answers to it. You should have warned the editors at Talk:Homeopathy that this study had already been shooted down at Talk:Arsenicum album. I'm not sure of the reach of the probation that you are subject to, as in wether it extends to all homeopathy articles or just Homeopathy, or if pushing studies on talk pages can be considered a breach. I'm also posting on Talk:Homeopathy/Article_probation/Incidents -- Enric Naval ( talk) 23:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Just to tell I opened another similar incident at Talk:Homeopathy/Article_probation/Incidents#gross_WP:COI_on_pushing_of_another_shooted_down_study -- Enric Naval ( talk) 14:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Be careful. There are sock puppets of banned users who may seek to involve you in their mischief. See [19] and [20]. Jehochman Talk 16:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I can't answer right now your message, I g2g -- Enric Naval ( talk) 18:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, I see you keep posting about the studies at Homeopathy. You were adviced by Jehochman to take a holiday on the homeopathy article and I also did advice you to do that. You should trust more the other editors there to decide what studies are RS for the article:
Please start accepting that you might be wrong about the studies you bring for addition to the articles. While they might be valid on Berkeley and on conferences and congresses, that doesn't mean that they must be valid for sourcing articles on wikipedia. Please really take that holiday and think about the fact that you could be wrong on some points and pushing too hard against editors that disagree with you -- Enric Naval ( talk) 22:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
At the article on homeopathy, I have begun to engage Scientizzle in a healthy dialogue. I hope that we too can do that. I am broadly familiar with broad body of basic science and clinical science literature in homeopathy, not just the "positive" trials but the "negative" ones...as well as the ones in-between. Enric, you only began editing in the homeopathy sector on wikipedia for 1-2 months now (unless you are another sock who just hasn't been caught yet...please know that I am NOT accusing you of this, and I AGF...but to me, it is curious that you only just began to edit here, and yet, you assume to have greater knowledge on this subject than other editors who have studies this subject for several decades). Can you say with any type of authority that you have a similar broad familiarity with this body of research? Baegis, are you also willing to make a similar assertion? I ask this because I cannot help but sense that you're familiar with a relatively small number of trials in homeopathy and have mostly read abstracts. That said, I would love it if my sense of things is wrong. DanaUllman Talk 00:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Now you are saying "Unless you can provide evidence for Linde's comments relating with Arsencium album and/or environmental toxicology, your additions will need to be changed or deleted." [21], yet you haven't still answered the evidence on the probation incidents page about all the objections to the studies you are pushing forward. Dana, you need to address the objections raised by other editors to your proposals and your wordings before engaging on restoring them on the articles. At this moment, I don't think that other editors will agree with those changes or deletions unless you really start addressing some of those issues. So, read Talk:Homeopathy/Article_probation/Incidents#Section_I_-_The_Cazin_study_and_Linde_metaanalysis and actually address some of the issues for a change, please.
I have already asked Shoemaker on his talk page to fill the edit summaries for other editors to see what the hell he's doing on his edits. I have looked at his edits and he doesn't seem to be engaging on any deception based on not filling the edit summary. He is just continuing to edit the same section as the last edit where he provided an edit summary, so it looks like he just didn't consider the summary necessary. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 00:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
You said on one comment that you were curious about when I had started homeopathy articles. I don't remember exactly, but I think it was when I decided to check what Wikipedia had to say about homeopathy, and see if I could help with the article.
Checking my contributions, my first edit Homeopathy's page was this one [22], asking people, specially User:Randy Blackamoor, to not misuse the talk page, which, ironically enough , almost a month and a half later is exactly what I am saying that you are doing by pushing those studies. Note that you had also posted on that very same thread, so you were one of the posters that I was asking not to fill the talk page, altought at that moment I had no idea who you were, and I didn't distinguish you from the other editors on the page until much later.
Notice that I was inactive during a lot of time. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 21:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, this removal of sourced text had nothing to do with the edit summary justifying it [23], and the editor justified his changes on the incident reporting page. Please, think again about following Jehochman's advice to take a holiday from editing homeopathy articles. I fear that you are taking this too personally, please try to take a rest before you enter an edit war over this and get yourself blocked. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 13:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/DanaUllman for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Enric Naval ( talk) 01:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Answered here -- Enric Naval ( talk) 14:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
You will probably be interesed in Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Wikipedia:BLP_subject_response. Cheers. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to invite you to consider taking part in the AGF Challenge which has been proposed for use in the RfA process [24] by User: Kim Bruning. You can answer in multiple choice format, or using essay answers, or anonymously. You can of course skip any parts of the Challenge you find objectionable or inadvisable.-- Filll ( talk) 14:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
An arbitration case has been filed involving you: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#DanaUllman Appropriate links will also be given on the various pages that I am aware you edit, in order to give all a say. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 01:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 10:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, your recent statement at Talk:Potassium dichromate is, in my opinion, highly inappropriate.
I have not yet offered an opinion at the ArbCom case because I am of mixed feelings (I'm also just not a fan of beurocratic tedium). First off, I don't necessarily think the encyclopedia is better off blocking an expert of your qualification from providing input. On the other hand, it appears your day job--promoting homeopathy--may be spilling over too much into Wikipedia.
Are you getting piled upon? Perhaps, and perhaps unduly so. But it's clear that your track record of repetitively hammering certain things for inclusion or removal (or a certain wording, etc.), in spite of clear consensus against, is damaging your ability to do anything actually useful. This leads progressively to stronger pushback, and degrades merit-based discussions as both sides snipe.
This recent offering absolutely won't help. Please reconsider your words, and your editing strategies. — Scien tizzle 18:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
[I've been working on this reply for a few hours, on and off, while I tried to get some work done. In that time, I've received and read all of your messages, and I've been updating the whole thing as I go to respond to specific points.]
Dana, while I appreciate that your complaint may not have been directed at me, it still doesn't address the underlying issues:
— Scien tizzle 00:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Did you get my mail? -- Hans Adler ( talk) 23:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In the light of the thread below I want to make it clear that I contacted Dana by email and not the other way round. Dana never contacted me, he only replied to my email. I left the above message to certify that it was the owner of my account who asked him privately about a specific point on which I wanted clarity fast. (This point was unrelated to the arbitration, Dana made clear he didn't think it such a big deal, and now someone else has solved the problem without my assistance anyway.) -- Hans Adler ( talk) 10:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Dana, this is canvassing. It is against WP policies to go soliciting for reinforcements for your viewpoint. Please reconsider your post. Baegis ( talk) 07:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
You have persisted in disrupting homeopathy-related topics, including tendentious arguments, soapboxing, and accusations against other editors. For example, your behavior (both over the long-term and more recently) at Potassium dichromate ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is completely unacceptable. You are well aware of the community standards. You have been clearly informed what is not acceptable within this often-heated topic area. You are have been notified of Talk:Homeopathy/Article probation, and previously subject to its sanctions. Given your history, you are banned from all homeopathy related topics, broadly construed, for three months. I do not intend this ban to extend to arbitration pages. Vassyana ( talk) 10:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's
no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to
blocks for disruption. Please
stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.--
Enric Naval (
talk) 05:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I've taken some time away and discussed the issue with a couple of sysops for a sanity check. I will not be repealing the topic ban. After review, it seems like a more severe sanction would actually be appropriate. Part of what is distressing to me is that you show no indication that you accept that your actions are in any way problematic. (That is not to say that you're the only one at fault, as the topic area is plagued with issues, but "he started it" or "she's breaking the rules" are not valid defenses.) I sincerely beseech you to reconsider the approach and path that you have taken. Please review the advice and warnings that you have received regarding your participation in this area of the wiki, especially from uninvolved parties. It has been made abundantly clear to you what is a problem and why. You are obviously more than intelligent and social enough to make the necessary adjustments in your approach. You are very knowledgeable and eloquent, having quite a bit you could contribute to Wikipedia. However, you need to make serious course corrections, as your current contributing pattern is much more disruptive than productive. Even within the article Homeopathy by itself, there are numerous areas that could use improvement, revision and expansion that are far less likely to encounter opposition and confrontations. I find it unfortunate that a knowledgeable contributor such as yourself has not found a way to participate in a constructive and cooperative fashion, and I sincerely hope that may change. Vassyana ( talk) 12:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
My talkpage is not the place for you and other editors to debate what sources should go in the homeopathy article. Tim Vickers ( talk) 03:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please participate in a respectful and civil way, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I am posting the entirety of the 1994 Lancet editorial that accompanied the third (of what later became 4 trials using homeopathic medicines in the treatment of respiratory allergies), and under this is the entirety of the 2000 BMJ editorial that accompanied the fourth trial. Despite the strong evidence from these high-impact journals and despite the editorial support that acknowledged these studies as having "exceptional rigour," the anti-homeopathy editors stonewall their inclusion on wikipedia. When will this stonewalling stop?
The BMJ editorial is from 2000 (not 2004 as stated in the first sentence of this section)[error to which this referred has been corrected], so does not consider, for example, this
[28] later and larger study which failed to confirm the earlier findings. The first sentence as quoted here is not part of the actual editorial, but its title, or headline. The body of the editorial is clearly reporting Reilly and his team's belief that "it may be time to confront the conclusion that homoeopathy and placebo differ", rather than the editorial opinion of the Journal.
Brunton (
talk) 16:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Homeopathic Preparation of Galphimia Potentisation D6, Galphimia Dilution 10-6, and Placebo on Pollinosis," Arzneim.-Forsch/Drug Research, 35(II), 11(1985):1745-7 (this trial was the 7th trial by this group of researchers). Thanx for asking. DanaUllman Talk 13:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Brunton, the fact that the Lancet AND the BMJ have published Reilly's research shows its notability. The fact that they both provided editorial comment on it provides stronger notability. Whether there is or isn't additional replication doesn't diminish its notability. Editors should mention this work, as well as Lewith's effort to replicate it (along with some critique of this "replication") As for that Darwin letter, I quote that entire letter that Darwin wrote in my book, The H.omeopathic Revolution, and acknowledged Darwin's skepticism...but I also note that he acknowledged that, despite his skepticism, Gully's treating were curing people (as Darwin noted that this girl did recover...and Darwin himself never again experienced those fainting spells, spots before his eyes, heart palpitations and select other symptoms which he had had for 2-12 years. His nausea was only temporarily paliated, but previously Darwin wrote that he was dying (and that was 10 years BEFORE he wrote his seminal work). If your goal was really NPOV, you would bring the Reilly's research to the article, but you're not: you have not yet brought any study to the article that had a positive result, though I really look forward to the day that you prove me wrong (I really do). DanaUllman Talk 19:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
You are under a topic ban, broadly construed. Cease using your page to advocate and circumvent the ban. Such will not be tolerated, and neither will meatpuppetry. If it is necessary, you will be blocked and your talk page fully protected. Vassyana ( talk) 19:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanx Antelan! DanaUllman Talk 13:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for understanding. There is normally quite a large degree of freedom in userspace. For users under a topic ban, userspace should not be used to circumvent the ban, but I do understand how there may have been a misunderstanding about the scope of the topic ban. I would sincerely recommend that you focus on some other topics areas to demonstrate to the community that you can work within the standards and rules of Wikipedia. When there is reason for editors to generally expect less-than-exemplar behavior, the best thing you can do is demonstrate clearly that you can be a productive editors. If you have any other questions, please feel free to drop a line on my talk page. Vassyana ( talk) 04:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Have read some of your books on Homeopathy and I truly appreciate the service you have done to the field of homeopathy.
Dilip rajeev ( talk) 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to ask if you happen to use Bach Remedies in your practice? In fact, I have a rather deep interest in both homeopathy and Bach Flower Therapy - I maintain a website on Bach Flower Therapy -
http://bachtherapy.org .. just hoping you'll find it interesting.. :)
Thanks and Regards, Dilip rajeev ( talk) 14:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I would once again express my intense interest in having you come to WP:NTWW to participate in one of the podcasts as our guest. You can see the previous episodes on the NTWW page and listen to them. You can participate by headset over your computer, or by telephone or by dialing in to a conference call number we set up. Please consider this. We would love to have you!-- Filll ( talk) 16:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I got your invitation to participate in NTWW, and I just downloaded skype, though I still need to get a head-set. That said, I'm a bit confused about several things. I do not find a table of contents for each conversation. How does someone know the subject of a forum, either as they are happening or after the fact? How long are the conversations? Also, you may have noticed that I may soon be banned from wiki for a year. Does this ban mean that I cannot participate in NTWW? I'm still shocked that so many editors have worked, seemingly very effectively, to mute an expert on homeopathy. Your silence has been loud. What is your intentions with the NTWW? DanaUllman Talk 15:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
You are blocked with no defined ending period, pending the resolution of your ArbCom case. You were placed under a topic ban and warned about circumventing it. [32] [33] Despite your topic ban, you have still participated/advocated in homeopathy-related topics. [34] (Previous involvement: [35] [36] )I have posted a note on the proposed decision page so that the clerks and arbitrators are aware of your block. Vassyana ( talk) 09:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
DanaUllman ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Admin Tim Vickers clearly told me that my topic ban did NOT extend to user pages. [41] I acted in good faith in following his advice. At this point, I am concerned that some admins are being gamed into blocking me during the Arb committee hearing, and I feel that this mistreatment is leading to a prejudical hearing. It was problematic enough that Vassyana previously chose to give me a 3-month topic ban due to my good faith efforts to include a potentially notable study conducted at the University of Vienna and published in the leading pulmonary journal in the world, while only giving a slap on the hand to another editor for being uncivil. I have maintained civility and referenced notable RS research, and yet, I have been punished for doing so. When will someone come to their senses and when will NPOV really be in evidence?
Decline reason:
I concur with the block here: the parameters of the topic ban were made very clear to you. I am not convinced that you are able to edit constructively at the time being, and unblocking you would not be productive. A second consideration can be made of this matter after the conclusion of the Arbitration case. Anthøny 19:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Please note that Tim endorsed the block, as you disregarded his advice as well. [42] Vassyana ( talk) 20:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure, Enric, but the blocking admin is generally given the upper hand on such determinations. It is convenient that you chose to cherrypick that comment from Tim rather than his specific assertion that he felt that I deserved a warning, not a block [47] Enric, you seem to like to hit a man when he's down. I hope admins watch you more closely. DanaUllman Talk 13:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Dana: while the phrase about "judging other wikipedians' actions" may make it appear that this is not relevant, I sincerely suggest that you take note of points two and three [49]. Brunton ( talk) 21:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Per our email discussion, in which some confusion was cleared up, I am unblocking you. You are still under the topic ban, and I appreciate your understanding agreement to adhere to it. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me. Vassyana ( talk) 02:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict (defined as articles which relate to homeopathy, broadly interpreted) if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to the topic or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project. User DanaUllman ( talk · contribs) has been banned from Wikipedia for a period of one year. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Nishkid64 ( Make articles, not wikidrama) 23:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
You're being discussed here. Thought you should know. Cheers, Skinwalker ( talk) 22:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
In light of this discussion, and of past problems.. I think it's best that you stay entirely away from homeopathy-related articles and their associated talk pages. Will you agree to this voluntarily? Friday (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:Homeopathy. Thank you.
this is not acceptable, and it looks a continuation of your behaviour before your ban in March and April 2008, for example about Baegis or about myself and Shoemaker or several editors in a talk page, or about Scientizzle, or about Brunton and then myself, and that in January 2008 one of your first contribs was a bad faith accusations [50].
I'm not going to reply to your comment in that talk page. This very same page still has visible four warnings about asssuming good faith here, here, here and here. The next time you imply that I or someone else are editing in bad faith without actual proof, I'll just report you to WP:WQA so outside editors can comment.
Aaaaand I remind you that Homeopathy is under probation and that, being fresh out of a ban, you should be in your best behaviour. And this is a good-faith advice, by the way, because your contributions occassionally result in improvements to the article, but this is offset by things like frequent bad faith assumptions about the interpretation of sources, so please drop those assumptions and stay with the useful edits. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Your conduct has been raised for review here. Please take the time to respond and comment there. I strongly recommend, as I did previously, that you reconsider your approach and carriage. Your recent conduct is of the same variety that lead to previous sanctions being imposed, including the ban imposed by the Arbitration Committee. Yes, I know others may have engaged in some shenigans, but that is not a valid defense.
Additionally, I have imposed a two-week topic ban under the discretionary sanction enforcement imposed by ArbCom. This topic ban covers the homeopathy topic area across all namespaces, broadly construed, includer userspace and user talk pages. This should not be construed as denying you the right of response and participation in noticeboard threads regarding your conduct or contributions. It is a temporary measure while the situation is being discussed. I sincerely implore you to reconsider and reflect upon your conduct. You have shown no sign that you understand while previous sanctions were imposed and no indications that you will change your behavior accordingly. Thus, I regretfully impose this short-term topic ban until a more permanent solution can be achieved. Whether this lasting solution is a full community ban, some set of restrictions, or the continued freedom to edit unrestricted falls entirely upon you. -- Vassyana ( talk) 03:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
(copied here from ANI)
Dana - What you are trying to do with Wikipedia is essentially to synthesize a secondary source here, from a number of primary sources. You have been constantly treading on the grey line dividing normal summarization and reporting and paraphrasing legitimate secondary and primary sources, and WP:SYNTH (and in the process, WP:BATTLE, and other related policies).
You are, for all intents and purposes, too close to the topic to be doing what you've been doing here.
If you go out and write overview secondary source / tertiary source articles in reliable publications, those can be cited in Wikipedia. Trying to write that material directly in here - what you've been striving to do (directly with pre-Arbcom-block, and indirectly with talk page discussion since) - is not acceptable behavior.
Fighting the secondary sources battle in Wikipedia is all about what WP:SYNTH and WP:BATTLE show is entirely what Wikipedia is not here for.
If you will not work to understand that, in good faith, then you need to leave the project. In this case, your being an expert (and as experts are, particularly opinionated) is leading to significant mis-use of the Wikipedia project. This type of debate is not what we're here for. Please accept that, or leave of your own accord. You will do your field much better work if you write these synthesizing opinions and reviews and overviews elsewhere and let others include those (presumably, as you're clearly an expert) reliable secondary sources here once you've published elsewere.
Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
For Dana's reference, Shell also wrote in regards to this ban: "As for future removal, I would be happy to review the ban later if DanaUllman has shown an ability and interest in editing productively in other topic areas. Also, ArbCom is still a standard option for reviewing such sanctions." — Whig ( talk) 22:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Dana, please remember to assume good faith of other editors. On Talk:Louis Pasteur and Talk:Child abuse you’ve complained about other editors “following you around”, “writing against whatever you write”, “making personal attacks” and “simply trying to disrupt discussion”. But you know the community at large has a problem with your attempts at using Wikipedia to promote homeopathy, and you know you’ve been sanctioned for this behaviour, so don’t pretend that this kind of scrutiny is unwarranted. — NRen2k5( TALK), 01:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for being blunt, but if you've decided to return to editing at Wikipedia, it would be best if you steered far from anything remotely similar to you past problems. I suggest avoiding anything related to health or medicine, especially where WP:ARB/PS might apply. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Ronz, your condescending attitude smells and speaks volumes about you. Please take it away from my page and show respect and good faith. DanaUllman Talk 18:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dana. I want to ask you - is this comment a pejorative involving your name I just realized they might mean you - or it is my inability to get the benign joke ? Flogging a dead horse George. Is your real name Dullman? -Roxy the dog (resonate) 19:25, 10 March 2014 Are you still banned from homeopathy? I think you might be and cannot find the reasons in the board. Anyhow. Thanks. (UTC -- George1935 ( talk) 16:39, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dana Ullman (2nd nomination), you may be blocked from editing. Nat Gertler ( talk) 02:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
I have filed an arbitration enforcement request here: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § DanaUllman Guy ( Help!) 20:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
I have closed the thread at ANI about you as having community consensus for a site ban, and have blocked your account and revoked your talk page access accordingly. If in the future you wish to appeal you ban, you may request that an administrator restore talk page access via WP:UTRS. While the discussion did not set a minimum appeal timetable, appeals before six months are typically not granted. TonyBallioni ( talk) 14:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)