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I just wrote a Plot Summary for this novel. It is so long! I hope some others who read this novel by Ellis Peters will see how to make the summary a bit shorter. The character list needs to be made, too. I included all the characters in my summary except I forgot the first name of Drogo Bosiet's son.
I was logged in while doing the summary, but somehow got logged off before I completed my summary. So it was not attributed to me in the History. Rather to 70.131.63.62 and I cannot figure how to change that to Prairieplant. Prairieplant ( talk) 16:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I did add a sentence at the top -- all there was, with a very terse list of the elements of this novel. All except treason. That might tell the story before it is read. Prairieplant ( talk) 22:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Now I have added a List of Characters, Themes and Setting in History, Reviews, and references, after reading the novel again, in sequence of the Cadfael Chronicles. The reviews were interesting. I cannot figure how to get the image of the cover in place -- such a good cover, too. I hope someone else knows how to do that. Surprised myself with all this writing, hope someone else reads it. Prairieplant ( talk) 15:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
In the info box for After the Funeral, the Author's name does not show up. After Author in bold, we see only { {author} } where I expected Agatha Christie to show. I do not see this error in the info box, so cannot fix it. I hope someone else can fix that small error. Prairieplant ( talk) 06:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
It April 4 now, and that error is still present. Some bot went over the text, but I saw no improvements. This is the line that presumably includes the text yielding {{{author}}} instead of Agatha Christie as the author. I do not know how to fix this -- does anyone else? {{infobox book |
I made changes to the Plots Summary, Characters, Themes, but wikipedia logged me out while I was making them in January, so they are not marked as mine. What is the time limit for doing an edit? I do not mean to be skulking in my edits! Now I have logged myself in for 30 days so I will not get logged off while I write something.
Prairieplant ( talk) 01:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC) I typed Londong instead of London in the title of one of my changes. Sorry! Cool story, I thought. Definite 1960s flavor in it, and the mood of the Cold War, added to a murder mystery, murder for greed, a frequent motive.
Starting the Plot Summary with the series summary is redundant, in each novel. Having the List of Characters allows Cadfael to be described, and reference made to the entry on Cadfael in wikipedia.
Plus, sometimes in looking up a story, I want to see the character names without reading the plot summary. This is especially helpful to me when I listen to an audio book and want to know the spelling of a character's name. The plot should not be told in the Character List, I agree with the person who took out my effort on that. But it was not true that everything in the Character List was found in the Plot Summary.
Most of the other Ellis Peters Brother Cadfael stories have a Character List, so this keeps them consistent for this 20 book series. Prairieplant ( talk) 07:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Supporting change in Plot summary, that Cadfael was on foot across the frozen stream, seeing what the boy could not see, still seated on the horse. Then went back again, alone, as boy and horse waited for him. The boy crossed the same stream; it could be a secret from him only if he could not see through the ice as Cadfael did. This is the end of Chapter 3:
The second brook, still and silent like the rest, was a shallow, reed-fringed, meandering serpent of silver. The horse disliked the feel of the ice under him, and Cadfael dismounted again to lead him over. The wide, glassy surface shone opaque from every angle, except when looking directly down into it, and Cadfael was watching his own foothold as he crossed, for his boots were worn and smooth. Thus his eye caught, for a moment only, the ghostly pallor beneath the ice to his left, before the horse slithered and recovered, hoisting himself into the snowy grass on the further side.
Cadfael was slow to recognize, slower to believe, what he had seen. Half an hour later, and he would not have been able to see it at all. Fifty paces on, with a thicket of bushes between, he halted, and instead of remounting, as Yves expected, put the bridle into the boy's hands, and said with careful calm: "Wait a moment for me. No, we need not turn off yet, this is not the place where the tracks divide. Something I noticed there. Wait!"
Yves wondered, but waited obediently, as Cadfael turned back to the frozen brook. The pallor had been no illusion from some stray reflected gleam, it was there fixed and still, embedded in the ice. He went down on his knees to look more closely.
The short hairs rose on his neck. Not a yearling lamb, as he had briefly believed it might be. Longer, more shapely, slender and white. Out of the encasing, glassy stillness a pale, pearly oval stared up at him with open eyes. Small, delicate hands had floated briefly before the frost took hold, and hovered open at her sides, a little upraised as if in appeal. The white of her body and the white of her torn shift which was all she wore seemed to Cadfael to be smirched by some soiling color at the breast, but so faintly that too intent staring caused the mark to shift and fade. The face was fragile, delicate, young.
A lamb, after all. A lost ewe-lamb, a lamb of God, stripped and violated and slaughtered. Eighteen years old? It could well be so.
By this token, Ermina Hugonin was at once found and lost.
Hope this is persuasive. Prairieplant ( talk) 09:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Well, I think it is an essential plot point, given the book's title, and the line in the above text that the ice was opaque from all angles other than standing right above it. The gruesome image was seen due to the need to walk the skittish horse, while he was searching the likely area. Protecting the boy is typical of Cadfael, as is being quiet about what he learns before it can be properly digested, used, as is his combination of chance and skill in finding clues as well as missing people.
The other way of saying it left me remembering how the boy sat in front of Cadfael on the horse, and wouldn't they both see the same thing, from the same vantage point? How could he conceal what lay open to view? That is why I noticed the sentence. I appreciate you letting it stand.
I may yet be stinging from your description of my two to three sentence plot summary at the top as lurid, blurb style, or something like that. My one and only attempt to write a "blurb" for a friend was a dismal failure; too dry. Dry description is more my strong suit. Your reason to delete the very short summary did startle me. Your strong aversion to the very brief summary led me not to revise what I wrote.
Yes, of course these summaries need to be terse yet clear, and pick up the points on which the plot turns. In mystery stories, pick up the points that lead the detective to find the resolution, which is as important as the name of the character who did the crime. Prairieplant ( talk) 14:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I looked for reviews but had no luck, not on web sites by book lovers, or in newspapers.
I see, two meanings for small b brother. Civil forces are the sheriff, not the army. Well, another try might distill the story. Those are contrasts and story tensions I saw. You call it sensationalist. Well, try for a middle course.
I am not much expert on publishing details. I see, only one reissue date is supplied, not the original. The television and radio programs are already mentioned. It is the short introduction that lacks -- which I can contribute. Prairieplant ( talk) 13:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
HLGallon, I thought we had talked this all out before. Making the plot summary longer is pointless. All good books have complex plots; our task is to trim out what we can and leave a reasonable summary. Longer novels than this have summaries that meet the Wikipedia standards. I appreciate how much you love this particular book. I like it too. But it needs a shorter Plot summary, not a longer one. WP:PLOTSUM
I am sorry to see that you put all those words back. They are not an improvement to the Plot summary, and a bit of an insult to me.
There is no original research, the dates are in the text, and you can read the book again to see that. You make that accusation rather easily, without checking the text yourself. That is how I knew the story happened in nine days, from the dates given. I went through to eliminate things said twice. Any change that makes it longer is a bad change at this point in my thinking. I hope we can agree on that. 1,300 words is close to double the guidelines. I got it down a little. The real edit it needs is not to include all the complexities but to relay the main threads of the story. Shorter Plot summaries than this one have been flagged for length by other editors. I think this one would read better if it were shorter. The book is rich with details, but there are main threads in the story. I hope we can agree on changes if they are shorter, more concise. Have a good night or good day! -- Prairieplant ( talk) 01:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The term squire in the 12th century referred to an aide or young man in training in the service of a knight.
The meaning of squire as a country landowner was not current until several hundred years later.
A man who owned a manor and lands surrounding it was called lord of the manor. Thus, it is not correct to call Leoric Aspley a country squire. His family was long in the area, from the Saxon days (that is, before Wiliam the Conqueror and his power over land ownership). Leoric Aspley was successful, as shown in his being called a generous patron of the Abbey by Abbot Radulfus. In discussing son Nigel settling in a manor further north upon his marriage, Nigel was described as seeing his lording.
Bucolic is not the opposite of prosperous. Throughout the story, Abbot Radulfus gives this family special attention because the generous donations to the Abbey made by Leoric Aspley. The finery of the wedding is marked as well above the common, suitable to a prosperous manor. All of England was bucolic in the 12th century; London had under 20,000 people.
The story takes place in a week, from after midnight the night of a Friday wedding to dawn on Saturday one week later. "The winter had been hard indeed, but was blessedly over, the sun had shone on Easter Day, and continued shining ever since, with only light, scattered showers to confirm the blessing. "
The days of the week are in turn described as matching the statement above (from the 4th paragraph of Ch.1) about the lovely weather. The boy does not enter the Abbey for a few more paragraphs. Thus it is Ellis Peters who says it was a lovely night in May when the story began.
Can someone explain the AnomieBot? I found a spot-on definition of a jongleur in 12th century England. I used the link in the plot summary, and again in the description of the character Liliwin who is a jongleur. The link works in both cases. What is the objection, why does the link "fail"? Cannot talk to a bot, I guess. Prairieplant ( talk) 16:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I removed this intriguing review because the link is not valid in Aug 2012. I did search at Nan Hawthorne's newer blogs, and cannot find reference to any Ellis Peters reviews. Perhaps someone else can find it?
"A more recent review can be found at "That's All She Read With Nan Hawthorne" "I don't think I have ever read a sweeter love story. You will just have to read it to see what I mean. It is, indeed, an excellent mystery." [1] /Blog no longer at URL, Aug 1, 2012/" Prairieplant ( talk) 05:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC) corrections -- Prairieplant ( talk) 18:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
This page was nearly bare, so I did plot summary, list of characters, theme and setting in history, and even found some of the critical reception. The last, not from newspapers of the time, but on line blogs and Kirkus Reviews. Not sure how to find those original reviews, when it was published. Added reflist and external sources. Accurate, but not as concise as I would like to be.
Still missing -- commentary on the herbal recipes given in this book; more about the television adaptation, which I did not see. Was its plot the same as the book? Altered slightly or a lot? If someone else knows, it would be great if they add that. Also, an image of the book cover. I cannot quite figure how to do that, even if it seems simple to do fair use from an Amazon cover image. Hoping someone else can do it easily.
Finding the French version of the title (wings of the raven) made clear the meaning of the title -- simply that the tall and dark haired Father Ailnoth, in his priestly garb and walking rapidly, looks like a raven as he stalked past Brother Cadfael near the Abbey, on the way to his death. Ravens have so much symbolism, hard to know if any specific symbolism was meant.
Prairieplant ( talk) 04:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
This is text from Chapter 1 of the book, mentioning Empress Maud and the setting relative to the activities of the Anarchy:
It was a large house, well walled round, with garden and orchard behind, and it belonged to Roger de Clinton, bishop of Coventry, though he rarely used it himself. The loan of it to Huon de Domville, who held manors in Shropshire, Cheshire, Stafford and Leicester, was partly a friendly gesture towards Abbot Radulfus, and partly a politic compliment to a powerful baron whose favor and protection, in these times of civil war, it would be wise to cultivate. King Stephen might be in firm control of much of the country, but in the west the rival faction was strongly established, and there were plenty of lords ready and willing to change sides if fortune blew the opposite way. The Empress Maud had landed at Arundel barely three weeks previously, with her half-brother Robert, earl of Gloucester, and a hundred and forty knights, and through the misplaced generosity of the king, or the dishonest advice of some of his false friends, had been allowed to reach Bristol, where her cause was impregnably installed already. Here in the mellow autumn countryside everything might seem at peace, but for all that men walked warily and held their breath to listen for news, and even bishops might need powerful friends before all was done.
Supports mention in the wiki.
Prairieplant ( talk) 14:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Please read WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:OR. The historical facts have no place in the article unless you can provide 3rd party coverage about the books that talk about the period of the time. GimliDotNet ( Speak to me, Stuff I've done) 14:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I did read both of those Wikipedia guides, and modified what I wrote to fit it, by adding sources. Third party sources. Including many wikipedia entries. except your actions cancelled my writing as I was doing it. Give a person a chance to do their edits!
Prairieplant ( talk) 15:42, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Please refrain from using blogs for reviews. Articles require WP:NOTABLE sources, not random individuals. I've just had to remove who swaves of content from A Morbid Tate for Bones. GimliDotNet ( Speak to me, Stuff I've done) 07:44, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
User:GimliDotNet I cited that blog because he had the top 100 list posted there. Wikipedia has the list posted, but it is a red link, confusing to me. I can reach it from google search results but not inside an article.
There are many blogs or sites that post that UK list. What is your guideline which one I can use so people can see the list? Do I use one as a source, with no mention in the text? For the US writers list, I found it on a public library site in the US. You accepted that one. The published source (on paper) of each list was in the External References.
One reviewer you dropped, named Cecily Felber, is an author who writes in the same time period and geography (Wales and Shropshire) as Ellis Peters. She posts her reviews on Goodreads. In one such post, she remarked that the Peters book inspired her to write her own. I had a footnote for the webpage with her and her book -- link provided by another person HLGallon. Why did you delete her?
Philip Grosset has a web site where he reviews "clerical detetctives" exclusively. Why is he not Notable in the eyes of Wikipedia? Are all blogs not Notable by definition?
What is wrong with Kirkus Reviews? Full time business is reviewing books, since 1933. Sometimes favorable, sometimes not.
Once in a while I can find Publishers Weekly and Library Journal, but not for every book. I have not figured how to get reviews from newspapers (which would come out when the books was published, therefore in their archives) or major mystery magazines.
Trying to learn.
I am curious how A Morbid Taste for Bones got on both those lists (US and UK), and I cannot yet find other reviews to match the high esteem of the mystery and crime writers. Out there, not found.
PS Thanks for following up on your own suggestion, on placement of the reference to stories with adaptation for television. My time had been spent putting content in the wikipedia entry for that year in British televion. The wiki links were useless with no mention of the date the show first aired on ITV in the UK. Got those from IMDb, the dates.
Not sure how to tell you that I have questions.
Prairieplant ( talk) 15:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a project where editors work together that you might be interested in. WP:NOVELS is the link. I've joined it yesterday. GimliDotNet ( Speak to me, Stuff I've done) 18:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
User: GimliDotNet I looked at it, not sure I am up to being part of the project. Still working on Cadfael series. Can you look at The Summer of the Danes entry? Plot summary is not the longest, but one contributor puts back details. I do not want argument. I put an alternative Plot Summary in my sandbox, but will not put it in the entry, as HLGallon will not like his/her words removed. Can this discussion about NOVELS and SHORT PLOT SUMMARIES and THIRD PARTY VIEWS of the novel include HLGallon too?
Prairieplant ( talk) 18:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
I put up a plot summary just now.
Longer than four paragraphs, but shorter than the summary of Our Mutual Friend, the last, longest and most complex novel by Charles Dickens. :-) Now even that impressive wiki entry is rated just B class (hard masters, these wiki raters).
I will re-read the novel to hear if there are errors to correct. I guess four paragraphs is beyond my scope!
Another day, it needs Setting in History to get some of those valued references added to the entry. Room to talk about heresy and heretics in 12th century England, or Europe, as I skipped all of the specific heresies and point-counterpoint dialogue in the summary. Perhaps also there is room for some discussion of seven year pilgrimages to the Holy Land by men in their 70s.
Prairieplant ( talk) 22:54, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
It has one quarter the word count of the Plot Summary for The Hermit of Eyton Forest, staying with Ellis Peters and Brother Cadfael. Is that any sort of accomplishment for a wiki article hoping to be "encylopedic"?
Prairieplant ( talk) 23:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I suppose not having the text immediately taken down is the only 'thanks' on wikipedia! I read the links you recommended and a few more. All the way to reading the entry for To Kill A Mockingbird as a perfect example.
Over my head, that kind of writing! I suppose I will keep trying. There is an example using Little Red Ridinghood, of how to pick the major plot and main themes, and not necessarily in the order of the plot. I do like to stick to chronology; so many challenges! I get the part about writing in the present tense and not in the world of the novel. All I do is think of extreme Star Trek fans, who live inside the show, cannot talk about it normally to understand that point. How to do that with a mystery story, still to learn.
Sinebot is a robot that automatically adds signatures when the editor forgets. It doesn't check the additions in any way. So what happened here is that someone vandalised the article (but did not sign the change) and the robot added the signature before anyone had a chance to undo the damage. PRL42 ( talk) 18:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining. The vandalism is gone now, the main point. Prairieplant ( talk) 06:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I've replied to your question regarding Cleeton on the Talk:Cleehill page. David ( talk) 13:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I've tweaked the page and replied to you at Talk:Vale#Where_is_vale_as_valley.2C_other_than_this_disambiguation_page.3F. Pam D 19:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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So the tedious efforts to shorten the Plot Summaries, each of them are major edits. Tedious to me, trying to edit what others have assembled, most of the time. I think I understand this now. Thanks. Prairieplant ( talk) 09:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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I responded to you over there.
Also, on your User page, it is conventional to use Babel to show what languages you speak, for example, native speaker of English, and student of Tibetan.
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I added the Babel box to my user page. I never noticed that before. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Prairieplant ( talk) 00:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for the translations of
Olivier Charbonneau.
Peter Horn
User talk 04:09, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I have only today discovered the talk page/messages you left for me. That function is not obvious, even though I use Wikipedia almost daily.
Of course I had no idea about the rules you cite for summaries. Surely you can figure out some way to pop them up when the edit function is selected. As with the other Rules.
The length limit makes no sense, especially since storage is free, and I suppose that one reads the Summary of a novel to understand the plot; otherwise a Plot Introduction would suffice. The logic of her often-complicated mystery novels only make sense in a longer format.
I have no interest or time to shorten these summaries. The prior ones are very deficient in logic, in content, and often make mistakes. Some other reader will have to undertake subsequent corrections.
I find Wikipedia to be immensely helpful, and have been a financial contributor. I'm not sure about your role there, but if you are this patient in explaining things to me, you must be making a good contribution to w worthy cause.
NYResident (
talk) 19:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Jim in Rye Brook
I replied on your talk page, as that is where the discussion began. Yes, there are many features of Wikipedia to uncover, at least that is what I have slowly learned. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 01:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I did a bit of tidying up at Olivier Charbonneau, sorry je m'excuse it has taken me six months to get round to this... I thought it best to revert it as I was in the middle of the translation when life intervened and so I left it a right mess and didn't have time to revert it even. Also my comments at User:Peter Horn's talk page probably seemed a bit harsh on French Canadians but were left in a hurry and were meant a bit tongue in cheek, they were not meant to be a put-down on French Canadians (or indeed English Canadians or anyone else).
The "sewer cleaner" is really a struggle to translate, "ditch cleaner"? I am really not sure how best to translate that. I just did a bit of tidying up and I can quite understand why you left the French in but I have translated that as a first pass but usually when I do a first pass translate then it is not very good English so could probably do with some polishing.
I am very sorry if I accidentally offended you with my off-the-cuff remarks about French Canadians, my intent was to make the article better and life intervened but it is certainly not my intention ever to offend anyone. I am sure you know I actually translated La Corriveau, a famous French Canadian, and got her to Good Article status, so it is not my business to go around insulting people (although she seemed quite good at it!) Si Trew ( talk) 12:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
SimonTrew, when I encountered the page it was mainly in French so I gave a try at translation. We decided to leave the French until others who felt strong enough in French and English gave it a review, and now you have done that. How do we add the the tag that the page is mainly translated from French Wikipedia? Seems we need to know the version number you used to start the English version. The tag might look like this, is it close? Except that version number is a complete fabrication. Back on 6 August 2013, Peter Horn marked on the French page that the English Wikipedia page had been set up. Where does one find the proper version number?
between double curly brackets translated page|fr|Olivier Charbonneau |version=45069858
I wondered also about the references that are deadlinks. Are there live links to use in their place? The links are dead from either version of Wikipedia. We have a red linked name in the English article Pierre Dagenets, but I see there is no link in French Wikipedia either, so I will just remove those brackets.
I do not feel insulted by any of the work you did. Glad you did it, mainly. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 22:00, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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translated page|fr|Olivier Charbonneau|version=45069858|insertversion=573975874|small=no}}
, that is where I lost it when someone scraped my car so I think that is reasonable, I'lll stick that on its talk page. I'll come back to read the rest of this later but it needs that for
WP:COPYVIO so I shall do that first and thank you. I can't even speak French any more since I have been learnging Hungarian all day and I knwo it sounds ridiculous but I can't remember the French for thank you, it kinda gets "blocked" but at least, Kosszonem (thank you)
Si Trew (
talk) 22:36, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
SimonTrew, thanks for showing me the easy way to find version numbers. Yes, they show nicely in the URL in the History list. You speak English and French and are learning Hungarian! It will be interesting at what point you feel comfortable with all your languages. So the translation template goes on the Talk page, not on the article page. I am learning new things all the time. I love that these articles on New France and its settlers are getting into English language Wikipedia, and then get strengthened (that is, taking the British bias out of the history type articles, which is much slower than your translation of Olivier Charbonneau). Such a grand story, I think, the settling of New France. Do you think we need to keep those dead links in the article? How long does a dead one stay there, before it is buried, I guess that is my question. I did hunt around a wee bit for some substitute reference, and found nothing, but my little search was just a toe in the waters. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 23:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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template was changed a few years ago and without the "small=no" it comes up as a tiny box, which to me just looks really ugly and also when there are other boxes on the talk page saying it's part of WikiProject New France or whatever then it gets rather hidden away and I think it just looks ugly, it's not that one wants to boast about the translation but other editors deserve to be able to see the information, I objected when the "small" came in to the default being changed thus the tag on lots of articles created before the change had their talk pages essentially changed by that, but I didn't win that one so that is how it stands.
Si Trew (
talk) 07:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)You asked about compating standard of living. Historian Peter Shergold (an Australian) has taken the economists' definition of standard of living and cost of living and compared two major steel cities (Pittsburgh in US and Birmingham in England). He first estimated annual incomes for skilled and unskilled workers in each city. He looked at actual family budgets in the two cities. He found the local prices for each basket item (pounds in England and dollars in US). The standard of living is what an average family could and did actually purchase every year (food, housing, clothes, leisure, etc). He found that American skilled workers could purchase about a 65% bigger basket of these goods than their English counterparts, while the baskets for unskilled workers were about the same for the two cities. Shergold's is the standard scholarly work & is often cited. --as shown by google citations. Rjensen ( talk) 00:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Hey, FYI, I just created The Last Pool and Other Stories this morning on a whim, and if you want to add anything, that would be awesome. Sadads ( talk) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
{{ Ship}} and its associated templates were created for the benefit of editors writing articles. There is no need to change them to standard wikilinks. Please desist from doing so. Mjroots ( talk) 19:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
== Dead Man's Folly ==Yes, I made more than verb tense changes. Hence the "clarified" notation. No, I did not make additions that duplicated what was told at the end. I broke one paragraph into two, but that was rearranging sentences, not adding. I did not "add" anything beyond fixes for clarity and verb tense. I get the feeling you didn't really look my changes and just arbitrarily decided to undo all of them. Douvaine ( talk) 19:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)Douvaine
Douvaine Sorry to upset you. I did read your changes to Dead Man's Folly carefully. The plot summaries for Agatha Christie stories have a bad habit of getting longer, not shorter, and I saw the change in bytes for the article was an increase. Plus I saw text that was in the denouement, the end of the summary, repeated in the opening. I look to keep them shorter, as Wikipedia's rules on plot summaries favor so strongly -- they like no more than four paragraphs and some editors will want a low word count as well -- less than 800 words for sure. The summary as it is now has 881 words and is in 8 paragraphs. If I erred, I do apologize. When I work on those summaries myself, I try really hard not to say parts of the plot twice in the summary, as one way of keeping it shorter. It was easier to revert, yes. I figured whatever needed saving from your edit could be done again. It is hard for me to keep the summaries short and accurate, trying to get a main theme, and not include all the cool plot devices she uses, all interesting characters. WP:PLOTSUM has some of the guidelines for plot summaries, see note 3 about length. There are good plots summaries written for novels far longer than one by Agatha Christie, so there is hope for success on staying accurate terse and interesting. I read your piece in the Talk page for the article. I hope some of the guidance from Wikipedia helps. As to pronouns, in general they refer to the last noun mentioned, so look for the last female name mentioned before "her" and you will have that settled. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 06:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Please have a look at this. Have a look at the news article I linked. Can I please ask who provided the 'organic' certification? Which government agency? If it's the food & drug administration it won't do since the judge has already ruled that the FDA is not reliable when it comes to these things (see [1]). Also please be mindful that the company's own claims on their own website is a primary source and is not acceptable per wp:rs and wp:npov and perhaps wp:puff. I understand you are looking for facts and not disputes, as am I-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Taeyebaar I do not see anything in the Wikipedia article as a puff piece. It is a bare bones descriptive article (a stub by Wikipedia standards), mainly listing the brands comprising the group. The court case is about personal care products, not about food, and only in California. I revised the Controversy section to reflect that, and put the references in cite web format. The food companies are not under challenge, at least from your sources, and they have the USDA certification on their products when the foods are organic. The article could use more about the dollar volume of the Group, if there are separate numbers for personal care vs food products, number of employees, location of companies in the group, etc. I am glad we are both aiming for facts in the article. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 08:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC) revised comment -- Prairieplant ( talk) 09:27, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant I don't disagree with most of what you have written. It mostly is about the company and it's products; however the use of organic or anything that gives a good impression of the products without proper reliable sources does make it appear promotional. If you can find a valid source that certifies the products as organic than that's fine. Calling some of them organic because the company has named it such is a sort of promotion. It should be verified that these products are organic. That's all I'm insisting on.-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
No that is not a reliable source. Blogs are not reliable to begin with. Somebody else stating their personal opinion is not a reliable source. I could open my own blog and state something with somebody else adding it as a citation on Wikipedia. That is not how it works. Please add some reliable sources. If you like you can shift the conversation to the talk page of the article and we can continue discussing it.-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:24, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Wikipedia talk:Image use policy#Clarification needed regarding WP:WATERMARK. Cheers. Kaldari ( talk) 09:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, Prairieplant:
I am undoing your "undo" to the article " The Hundred Days (novel)". The redundant "ISBN" is necessary to produce the "magic link" to the "Book sources" page. It's a little ugly, and it's being discussed here. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 03:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your emotion-charged yet logical note on my talk page.
You seem to be the committee of one on this point.
— Prairieplant
Actually, I'm the choir, and you're the reverend. :-) I agree with everything that you wrote (with one exception noted below). Shall we make it a committee of two? The problem seems localized in Template:Infobox book. It needs to be changed so its "isbn" parameter does not require "ISBN" in the parameter value to create the "magic link" to the "Book sources" page. I don't have time because I still need to fix ~900 broken ISBNs. Do you want to handle it? You might also look at this discussion on the template's Talk page Template talk:Infobox book#Use abbr tag for ISBN?.
Where do we disagree? I think that the "magic link" to the "Book sources" page is HUGELY important. (If I didn't, I wouldn't work on these tedious, sometimes excruciating, broken ISBNs.) The "Book sources" page tells a reader where in the entire world he or she can find a copy of the publication...from Amazon online to a library in Spain. A second purpose--oftentimes the citation in a Wiki article has errors...from an incorrect title to a misspelled author's name. With a valid ISBN and its magic link, I can find the correct bibliographical information somewhere in the entire world.
In short, take a closer look at a "Book sources" page.
If you're not interested to fix Template:Infobox book, I'll kick start the discussion on the French Wiki page again eventually. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 06:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia's guru just showed me the solution to the ISBN situation with " The Hundred Days (novel)". I think you'll like it. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 07:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
By any stretch of the imagination, the photo that I removed (Struthof.PNG) and replaced with the image (Natzweiler-Struthof Concentration Camp Main Gates.JPG) that you placed in the body of the article, is a poor photographic image. If it was an archival photo, I could see using it in the lede, but it is an image from 2001 taken on a foggy day, with low contrast, poor resolution, unclear subject composition and does not enhance the article. The thumbnail (Struthof.PNG) snapshot probably should not be in the lede anyway - few articles have an image, especially an unclear one, in the lede. I ask you to reconsider placement and inclusion of images to enhance the article, rather than getting into an editing war. Thanks for your consideration. N0TABENE ( talk) 16:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
If you want to war over that google doodle being mentioned in the article on Agnes Martin, perhaps you should take it to the Talk page. I read the brief discussion you linked, which seems to include the opinions of a few and no tallies of articles about men and women compared to google doodle about noting men and women. Wikipedia marks some articles by putting them in Did you know..? on the Wikipedia main page. Do you routinely delete that from the article's talk page? Google honors people, not articles, by new artwork to honor the person. I sometimes know the person, but like so very many people, I go to the Wikipedia article to learn about someone new to me. The articles are usually edit-locked for the time the doodle is up, to discourage the many people who thoughtlessly edit the articles. Do you think it is an insult to the person's memory to be remembered? Is that the case? The arguments at your link were somewhat convoluted, that you will delete mention of a google doodle, and a link to it, for articles about women because if there is a google doodle about a man, it is not mentioned in the article about the man. If that is true (and you provide no evidence), why not add mention of the doodles about men, as your grand Wikipedia project instead? At any rate, the text has been knocked out and added back in twice now, so it is time to make a stronger case at Agnes Martin as to why that real event about her in popular culture must be censored from the article. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 11:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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On the Blood-Stained Pavement in The Thirteen Problems by Agatha Christie: I wonder why you removed my statement that the disappearance of the blood stains is never explained. I did not say that this is the main mystery. All I wanted to point out is that this is a flaw in the story (which I had read very recently before making that entry). The story tells us that Joyce Lemprière first had seen the blood stains on the pavement (and we know from the ending that they were real) but it also tell us that she looked a second time later and there were no blood stains. How they had disappeared, is never explained -- just as I said (this is awkward, as it is very difficult to remove blood stains from the pavement, once they have dried in and even before, moreover the murderers would have had to expose themselves in cleaning the pavement, which would take a long time). So that is a weak point of Agatha Christie's story, one of the very few she has at all. I thought it interesting to give a hint at that.
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Didn't know I couldn't put game that wasn't avalible yet on ABC Murders jsut assumed no one knew about it.
The one referenced fact in the section that I recently deleted and you reverted has now been moved to a more appropriate place. The rest was plainly OR and I've mentioned what I've now done about it and an equally suspect section without proper citations on the Talk page. I've also had long experience of copy-editing and don't particularly want to cross swords with you! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 10:43, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
OK, I'll leave it to you. Though I'm an Austen fan, I've never liked Emma. There are two things you could do now. One is to find who placed the cn tabs in the one section and put dates on them so you can check how long it has been that problem has not been addressed; the other is to locate the overall development section you found and put a redirection tab at the head of the Emma section on the subject. Good luck! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 14:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Mzilikazi1939 – I put the citation needed notations in that text, not so long ago, when I decided to read the Wikipedia articles on the Jane Austen novels. I am an Austen fan, too, and I like Emma a lot, for all its humor and good dialogue, as the young lady learns better manners and her own heart, while running her funny father's household. My favorite is Persuasion. Oh, I can add a Main article link to that page, yes, that is logical. And then hope someone who knows French better than I do begins to bring translated sections over from the French article, with references. I can read the French article easily, but translating is another step up the language skills ladder. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 14:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Prairieplant. I hope you remember our discussion on the Jewish skeleton collection. I mentioned a great documentary I had seen, and promised to come back to you if I gain access to it again. Now I do; it was aired here again and I have access to it for a month. It's In The Name of the Race and of Science, Strasbourg 1941-1944 (Arte France). So, if you want me to work on related articles, I can provide information sourced to that documentary. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 12:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Finnusertop Of course I remember our discussion on the Jewish Skeleton Collection, most moving and informative. I have not done my rephrasing yet, but I will. As I said, my mood has to be right to take on that page, and not get myself overwhelmed in the sorrow of that place and that time. That is great you have the documentary showing, so some sourced information can be added. There seems to be a bit of it on you tube, yes, it is shown in four 15 minute segments, beginning with this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSpfXgUxqeI. Then the 2nd is "next up" in you tube lingo, and so on. These are in French, which is not marked as one of your languages on your page. Perhaps you are seeing a version with subtitles? Anyway, time to get myself disciplined to make my promised revisions. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 21:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant, Nice edits on the N-S page. I thinks its OK to use youtube videos if that's the best source. Did you check out WP:YOUTUBE? I've never used a youtube video as an inline reference, but did link to a video on the Landsberg am Lech page on the external link section. Regards, NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 16:41, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant. Per our earlier discussion, I took a stab at translating the fr:Hans-Joachim Lang and de:Hans-Joachim Lang to create a new English WP article. Actually, I asked my father to help with the German translation since he served as a French and German translator with the U.S. 7th Army in Alsace 1944-45. Before posting it, I wanted some feedback. It's really no more than a Start-class level but at least it's a start. Let me know what you think, and maybe Finnusertop too. Here is the link to my sandbox User:N0TABENE/sandbox/Hans-Joachim Lang - I didn't want to move it to the Draft space before getting another set of eyes on it. Thanks. NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 20:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes it is ready, and worth suggesting it for did you know . . . ? Can we put that Germab Wikipedia page in See also? I mean the page that lists the winners of that press freedom award by year. I had put it next to the award as a source, a bit clunky perhaps. When writing about authors who get awards, I try hard to find a source that lists the awards, either a Wikipedia page or the website of the organization giving the award. First time I have tried using my mobile phone to type for Wikipedia. A bit odd! Easier on the lap top Prairieplant ( talk) 04:14, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
What do you think of this for a DYK ....
I have 2 pending DYK nominations – maybe you’d like to submit this or another one? This is less than 200 characters. The submission date was 3/28/16, so there's 7 days since creation. I think it's still pending review because it's a WP:BLP. I created 2 new articles on World War 2 generals withing the last week and both were patrolled and published within hours. NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 21:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you quality contributions to articles such as Hans-Joachim Lang, performed in collaboration, for arresting plot sections, for updating article talk, especially for books, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
Gerda Arendt Thank you so much! -- Prairieplant ( talk) 10:37, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
A year ago, you were recipient no. 1362 of Precious, a prize of QAI! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:16, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Three years now! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hi,
I do not agree with deleting the second revision of The Secret Adversary, where it is explained where the name of Jane Finn was first heard. I am sorry, but without some explanation about Jane Finn's choice of name by Tuppence, the whole plot makes no sense. I did the shortest possible explanation using the existing text, but I could have added a whole paragrapth, so I disagree that the edit was too much explanation. The rules say to keep it simple, but no so simple that someone who has not read the book cannot understand it. If you read the plot part assuming that you have not read the book, you will see that it has many holes. Some are not important, but that particular one is a crucial plot device. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAlitxu ( talk • contribs) 07:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
TheAlitxu Hello. That plot summary is very long per Wikipedia guide lines; it needs to be almost one third shorter. It is flagged for too much detail. I am not sure what you mean by "holes" in the summary. There is no way to capture every twist and turn of the novel as Christie wrote it; read the novel for that. Where the invented name came from is a small detail, as interesting as Jane Finn becomes in the novel. It is a challenge to do a short summary; the other Tommy and Tuppence novels are summarized briefly. The summary can be a lot shorter and still convey the plot. Editors coming upon this article have the task of making it shorter, eliminating details while still providing the flow. So the task is to find ways to remove details from this plot summary, not to add them. It takes some thinking to decide what can be dropped or said in fewer words, especially when summarizing a story that has many twists and turns. It is good that you did not add a whole paragraph! MOS:PLOT and WP:PLOTSUM shed some light on ways to shorten a plot summary and why it is important that the plot summary not dominate the article about a novel. I realize it is difficult to cut away the parts of such interesting plots. If it helps, look at some of the summaries of other novels with much detail that are summarized in a few paragraphs and 800 words or less. The Secret of Chimneys and The Murder of Roger Ackroyd meet the length guidelines yet convey the stories well, in my view. Discussions of what is most important about the novel (a particular plot twist or specific red herrings, for example) belong in the article but not in the plot summary. Those discussions need to be sourced, as Wikipedia is not the place for original research. I hope you can see ways to shorten the summary, so that someday the flag about too much detail can be removed. I hope that helps. I appreciate that you posted your concerns on my talk page; it is important to know how each of use views a change. I do encourage you to edit articles and learn the rules and guidelines as you go along. Do remember to sign your posts, using the four tilde in a row. Tilde is upper case of the left most key in the number row on my lap top, and in the the third set of characters on my phone (ABC is 1st; 123 is 2nd; #+= is 3rd set). Same symbol that is used over the n in Spanish word señor. I do not know where all computer makers put it! A bot signed for you, which helped me greatly. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 13:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Prairieplant The article for the Kaufering concentration camp was tagged as having a copyright violation (not written by me) and the entire section about the origin and history of the camp has been removed. Would you be interested in working together to re-write it since we've worked well together in the past? The 11 Kaufering camps were sub-camps of Dachau concentration camp and used to supply a forced labor force to build the Messerschmitt ME-262 jet fighters and other forced labor industries. It was depicted in the HBO series " Band of Brothers" but that failed to mention that it was actually discovered by the 12th Armored Division that I've written about extensively. It would be an interesting project that I would like working on, if you're interested. Thanks. NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk
Reverting hard work, explained in Talk, en masse, without explanation in Talk, is uncalled for. Discuss changes. No article is owned by any editor, however interested. The changes were thoughtful, careful, AND SOURCE BASED. They also standardize the article to a more biographical format. Change carefully, slowly, AND EXPLAIN. Le Prof. Leprof 7272 ( talk) 17:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
You have made some nice edits at some of the novels for Jane Austen and I was wondering if this was a casual interest in her novels or if you might have a larger interest in her novels. If you might have an interest in possibly improving one or two of them to peer review status then perhaps you could let me know which of her novels you might consider being at the top of such a list. Cheers. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 16:56, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
You have very strong feelings! Wikipedia does have its rules and tools, that is a fait accompli. I cannot find the page in Wikipedia that shows the differences in the various reference styles that are supported, I am getting tired right now. I need that page to be clearer on just what is being altered by the system we agreed to use, or mix of systems, really, and whether the page ever had MLA style on it. Until tomorrow, then? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 23:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
irrelevant as he would have been drafted in 1968 the instant he graduated. The 1Y classification, however earned, made the birthday lotteries irrelevant. Richard Flahavan is correct so why is this text here? More interesting is the rich guy with the minor medical issue that did not need surgery, thus avoiding Viet Nam service
Irrelevant, interesting and minor are subjective. There are many people who agree with you. And many people who disagree with you. And many people who agree with some of your points and disagree with the rest of your points. -- Turkeybutt ( talk)
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Turkeybutt JC Next time, sign your post. Enough with the big big big over a comment that only editors can see. Advert? What am I selling? I left a comment, not an edit. The last sentence of that paragraph is incorrect and ought to be deleted, which you could do yourself, once you step down from your soapbox. The birth date lottery applied to guys when they hit their 18th birthday and registered with the military, not after being classified 1Y, so the sentence is irrelevant. I did not read the cites because I am not that interested, but I do suspect the cites apply to the sentence prior, or to a better closing sentence that you can write yourself. I was reading the article only to see the age difference between my older brother and Trump. My brother had five years of college deferments and the day of his last class, no graduation ceremony allowed, he was called up and he served. My brother is two years younger than Trump, so the pressure on the rich boy Trump was even higher to be drafted, being two years older, and just four years of college. I hope you do not admire inaccurate and irrelevant statements in Wikipedia biography of living persons articles, as it now appears that you do. How is it that you can "detect" what is in my mind? That is a rhetorical question. I know that heel spurs not requiring surgery are minor, so that is not subjective; it is not worth my time hunting down secondary sources, however, having had my primary source experience with them. I take it you were not alive and of the age to be drafted in that era, or you would know that the 'rich guys are deferred, poor guys get drafted' topic was one large topic of great interest in the days of that unpopular war. Deal with my two statements of fact, his 1Y classification is the last word, and the birth date lottery did not apply to Trump on account of his 1Y classification. Those two things make the sentence unnecessary and subjective about the draft in those confusing times. How or why Trump got the 1Y classification is another topic altogether, one not touched upon in this article. If you need a last sentence, put the quote from Flahavan in the text in quote marks, instead of the References, and that will close the section nicely and accurately, without a speculative sentence. You would be well advised to be sparer with your sharp words, in my view and to sign your posts; only Wikiepdia's notice system let me know who you are. Have a great day! -- Prairieplant ( talk) 18:44, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
There is NO CONSENSUS on the Talk page for Jane Austen for any of these edits by these 4 users. All editors must follow the Open RFC to the letter until it ends. Could you hold these edits until the RfC is completed. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 17:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant, I thought I'd drop a personal note here instead of clogging up the Austen page even more. You're right that I've not been responding but I have been reading your comments. As it happens, for the past two or three weeks I've been extremely tied up in real life (I did post to the Austen page that I'd be mostly gone until September) and haven't been replying to every comment posted on Wikipedia (in fact have been slow to reply to comments on a FAC where I'm a co-nominator). Yesterday was the first day in ages when I got some free time. I've noticed your comments on the Reception article and think they're interesting, for what ever that's worth. I might try to work that information into one of the Murasaki Shikibu pages. As for the changes, I'm happy to have anything challenged or discussed - I think we're in a state of flux, which isn't always a bad thing. I'd be happy if everyone can work together collegially, and we should be doing that, rather than fighting. It's conflict, more than anything, that tends to drive me away. After a family emergency a few weeks ago, when I peeked into that page and read some of the edit summaries I decided it would be best not to read the comments. Anyway, I'm rambling now - what I'm trying to convey is that there's a reason I've been unresponsive that has nothing to do with you or anyone else. Victoria ( tk) 12:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
These reversions on Persuasion and Mansfield Park were accompanied by misleading edit summaries. You restored the novel links after it had been carefully explained why they are inappropriate instead of continuing to discuss the issue on the talk pages (but I'm not encouraging you to do this, it would be a waste of your time, the novels are very clearly not part of a series so not even the blank parameters are appropriate). This is edit warring and you really must stop doing this. -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Which part of "Title of prior book in series; ... (do not use to connect separate books chronologically)" (emphasis in original - see Template:Infobox book documentation) is not clear to you? By all means seek consensus to change that, but until it is changed, follow the instructions. Please take note of WP:3RR before continuing to revert on these articles. -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:57, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I somehow didn't notice that that was a quotation. Sorry about that! Trivialist ( talk) 22:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Please check you spelling of Gaborone. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 14:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Prairieplant: I saw your changes to the footnoting for this article. I am quite willing to use the "snfp" template, though I admit I am starting to face difficulties remembering all the templates I should use. In this case in particular, I can't see that it adds any functionality. What am I missing? Cheers, Acad Ronin ( talk) 13:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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Theroadislong ( talk) 15:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)I've noticed on a couple of the Hillerman books that you've added a talk page request. Here's how to do it yourself:
1) Find cover art image. You can usually find them on the publisher's home page, or on sites like www.goodreads.com. FYI, a good way to find the book at goodreads, is to click on the ISBN number in article. That takes you to a Book sources page. Scroll down to the Online databases section, and there is a selection "Find this book at Goodreads.com"
2) There is often (but not always) an option on the image to enlarge it. I usually do, but once I didn't have the option and it worked out anyway.
3) Right click on the image and save it to your computer.
4) In your Tools section (mine is on the left-hand side of the page), there is a link for "Upload file". Click it. It's rather self explanatory, with check boxes.
5) Book covers are always Non-free use rational. You can use File:Song of the Lion.jpg as a cheat sheet if you like.
6) Left-hand red stars tells you what is mandatory to click or fill out. Once you've filled it out, you should see an option at the bottom to Upload the file. If the Upload is grayed out, you missed something above.
7) Once the upload is successful, it will instantly flip you to another page. Scroll up, and you can click on the bolded File name link to see what you uploaded. Use that file name in the article's infobox.
DatBot will come along in a day or so to make a secondary copy, adapted to whatever size Wikipedia will allow. The result of that looks like (scroll to the bottom) File:Ladies of the Lights.jpg. You probably won't even be able to tell the difference between the two.
Happy uploading! — Maile ( talk) 22:00, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I understand about the reversions to my edit, but I do have a real notable concern over that second stage adaptation - I've checked the citations and I'm not sure that play actually adapted the novel much, other than the use of the murder method in the novel's plot. As far as I can tell, the first citation states "adaptation of novel" in its heading, but doesn't make much reference of the novel within the rest of it, while the second citation, a review of that play, pretty much shows that the novel wasn't adapted as such, much used as the basis to create, as it describes, a "metatheatrical polemic about the way Asian-Americans have been characterized and caricatured in popular culture". In all honesty, I think this should really be in a separate section for "References in other works" - I don't believe this play to be a complete adaptation of the novel as the citations state. GUtt01 ( talk) 08:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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Please don't write direct links to other Wikipedia's. {{ ill}} is much better, - you still have the direct link (when you click on the language symbol), but also a warning that you will meet a foreign language, which could be Hebrew or Russian. The ill-link turns automatically to blue when the red link is created. - If you don't like a red link there's a remedy: create the article ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt and Graham87 I appreciate your time, but I still think that is a poor set-up, the red link with the wee live link to the article in another language. I hope someone redesigns that, or comes up with compelling data that red links lead to articles being written in less than 5 years time, and that most readers of the article figure out that the tiny de or fr will lead to an article in the other language of Wikipedia. I never did.
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Hello! I was looking around on Wikipedia for someone to help out with an article I'm currently trying to make about a notable series book. You seemed to be an expert on the field, and I was curious if you could help point me in the right direction to writing an article about a book? (As this is not usually what I write about) This is my work in progress. Thank you so much for any advice you may give! Horsegeek (talk) 00:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Horsegeek
Hello- in the article Americans in China, you wrote the word 'expatriates' as 'ex-patriots' [6]. Geographyinitiative ( talk) 01:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
The picture is a portrait of his brother the admiral Ferdinand-Alphonse Hamelin and not the rear admiral Jacques Félix Emmanuel Hamelin. Pyb ( talk) 14:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The National Portrait Gallery in Canberra, Australia has the 1837 lithograph of Jacques Hamelin in its collection, showing a black and white version here. Does that make it easier to bring the image into the article? It was done by Antoine Maurin, as Rama suggested. What do you think, Pyb? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 17:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Please, before you re-revert my edit, parse the sentence. There is no actual full sentence if you use "which" in that spot; it has a subject ("the International Boundary and Water Commission"), but no verb, since everything after the subject is contained in a subordinate clause ("which was established in 1889 to maintain the border, and pursuant to still later treaties its duties expanded to allocation of river waters between the two nations, and providing for flood control and water sanitation.") Even as it stands with my edit ("the International Boundary and Water Commission was established in 1889"), the sentence is poorly written, with a confusing grammar ("and pursuant to still later treaties its duties expanded ..."), but at least it's a sentence. Doug ( talk) 14:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for evaluating my edit ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=And_Then_There_Were_None&action=edit&oldid=951383647), in which I had deleted part of a sentence: “it is likely that new foreign-language editions will match that title in their language”. You comment that “Statement is sourced, and followed by examples where translators did not stick to the official title”. Actually, the cited source only confirms the first part of that sentence, that is that the Estate of Agatha Christie consider now And Then There Were None as the official title, while nothing is said about foreign-language editions.
Furthermore, “examples where translators did not stick to the official title” do not say anything about the likelihood of new editions having one or another title. So the sentence, as it is now, sounds somewhat opinion-based (unless we could quote some authority about Christie's foreign editions who stated such a prediction).
Thanks, Goochelaar ( talk) 20:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Goochelaar, thanks for your reply. Comments about future titles seem beyond our scope, yours and mine, and that of Wikipedia. Published titles, in existence, can be discussed. Perhaps the citation could be moved to end of the first part of the sentence, as that is what it supports. That other sentence might be edited to say “Perhaps future foreign language editions will reflect this decision by the Estate of Agatha Christie.” Would that be clear and based on facts? - - Prairieplant ( talk) 20:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Prairieplant. It sounds still a bit opinion-based, but it's certainly an improvement, clarifying what's actually in the source being quoted. Thanks, all the best, Goochelaar ( talk) 20:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there. I wasn't doubting that the book was published in Scotland, it just seemed that "Country" was rather ambiguous, as it could mean published, written, set in, ... I've checked the infobox documentation and it seems you are fully correct, so my issue is with the template rather than the article it seems! Regards — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
MSGJ, all the information in the infobox is about the first edition. The cover on the book is from the first edition. If the book was first published before 1970, then no ISBN is provided, even if subsequent editions have an ISBN. To me, that is consistent. Further publications can be discussed in the Publication history section, along with their ISBN, or for very major novels like works of Dickens or Austen, given inline citations to quote from a definitive annotated edition. That is why I put the information from that book review about how a book published in Scotland was noticed in much of the world but not in England until the 5th novel in the series, in Publication history. There are other books where first publication is either US or UK, Agatha Christie’s novels being a prime example, as she had a publisher in each nation and sometimes first publication was in the US, not in her native UK. This instance of the parts of the UK being relevant is fun, even funny, but an example of how books find their audience and how there are publishers everywhere. - - Prairieplant ( talk) 21:13, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, I noticed you reverted a few of my edits inserting section headings into articles instead of using a single semicolon. I am not sure if you are aware that the use of a single semicolon to create headings is an incorrect use of the Wikipedia "definition lists" feature. See H:DL and I quote: Do not use a semicolon (;) simply to bold a line without defining a value using a colon (:). This usage renders invalid HTML5 and creates issues with screen readers. I am going to assume good faith that you were not aware of this and so posting a message on your talk page to let you know. Happy to discuss further if there are other options to consider, or your concerns at using subheadings. Kidburla ( talk) 14:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you added "citation needed" on quite a few of the Japanese anime adaptations I noted on individual novel/collection pages. I would like to know the reason for your doubt - as the article itself has a full list of episodes which should back up these claims. The only change I did was to add references to the individual novel/collection articles. If you dispute the episode list contained within the article for the show, maybe it would be worthwhile to mark citation needed on that article as well? Thanks. Kidburla ( talk) 14:29, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you, Gerda Arendt! Such a beautiful gem. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 17:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from http://collections.lib.purdue.edu/fa/pdf/ellis.pdf, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. I also removed some quotations. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa ( talk) 12:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Diannaa I hoped the quotes and source could remain until I or another editor could rephrase it. The Purdue Library has a clearly written bio that was far clearer than the text in the article as to how those engineer egos clashed in building the Golden Gate Bridge. I had not realized that Ellis was living in Chicago when he did the calculations and drawings, a quote from elsewhere that got me interested in the article. — Prairieplant ( talk) 13:34, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Just a friendly reminder regarding the recent revert you made to Poirot's Early Cases: After a revert, it's nice to place a message on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox or other applicable resources. You might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. They can also be used to give a warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Cheers :) — FORMALDUDE( talk) 03:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
In British English grammar, there should be no capital letters after a colon or dash, except for proper names. Since Agatha Christie's bibliography pages are written in British English, that grammar rule applies here. Thank you for not reverting again without a proper reason. -- Stelmaris ( talk) 07:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm not a keeper of any flame (what a weird thing to say...), this rule is in any British English grammar, dictionary and style guide: see Oxford University style guide https://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/Style%20Guide%20HT2016.pdf), this University of Sussex article http://www.sussex.ac.uk/informatics/punctuation/colonandsemi/colon, and Wikipedia's own entry (see 2.5 here /info/en/?search=Colon_(punctuation)#Use_of_capitals). You're welcome to keep capital letters in articles written in American English but Agatha Christie is a British author, who wrote in British English and any article about her an her works should adhere to British English grammar rules. I will revert your changes but feel free to take this issue up with Wikipedia admin if you still want to argue Wikipedia own rules on this. -- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
I would completely disagree with your last statement: it's all to do with the differences between British and American English. Whether it's text or a list, British usage is not to use a capital letter after a colon or dash, as stated in all (British) style guides, dictionaries, grammars. I've worked as an editor for many years and I should know. However, I don't intend to enter into a protracted edit war so I'll leave you to your American usage.-- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
The year of publication is never italicized following the title; italics are used for the title only. You wouldn't write Iron Man (2008 film), you'd write Iron Man(2008 film). Packer1028 ( talk) 20:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
You bio of Barr is severely flawed. I suggest you contact her to get your details straight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:4DC2:B168:216B:6F64:116E:6914 ( talk) 16:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks for your work on El Palo Alto. Wanted to fix that article up last year, but couldn't find good sources. Ovinus ( talk) 23:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
May you have success in gaining Good Article status. It reads well and the images are excellent. - - Prairieplant ( talk) 15:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
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I just moved an article from my sandbox to Main space. I think I messed up on the Talk page, as there seems not be to one, or it links to the first article I wrote, but nothing about Wilmette Wilbus. I need a bit of help there. Prairieplant ( talk) 04:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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I just wrote a Plot Summary for this novel. It is so long! I hope some others who read this novel by Ellis Peters will see how to make the summary a bit shorter. The character list needs to be made, too. I included all the characters in my summary except I forgot the first name of Drogo Bosiet's son.
I was logged in while doing the summary, but somehow got logged off before I completed my summary. So it was not attributed to me in the History. Rather to 70.131.63.62 and I cannot figure how to change that to Prairieplant. Prairieplant ( talk) 16:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I did add a sentence at the top -- all there was, with a very terse list of the elements of this novel. All except treason. That might tell the story before it is read. Prairieplant ( talk) 22:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Now I have added a List of Characters, Themes and Setting in History, Reviews, and references, after reading the novel again, in sequence of the Cadfael Chronicles. The reviews were interesting. I cannot figure how to get the image of the cover in place -- such a good cover, too. I hope someone else knows how to do that. Surprised myself with all this writing, hope someone else reads it. Prairieplant ( talk) 15:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
In the info box for After the Funeral, the Author's name does not show up. After Author in bold, we see only { {author} } where I expected Agatha Christie to show. I do not see this error in the info box, so cannot fix it. I hope someone else can fix that small error. Prairieplant ( talk) 06:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
It April 4 now, and that error is still present. Some bot went over the text, but I saw no improvements. This is the line that presumably includes the text yielding {{{author}}} instead of Agatha Christie as the author. I do not know how to fix this -- does anyone else? {{infobox book |
I made changes to the Plots Summary, Characters, Themes, but wikipedia logged me out while I was making them in January, so they are not marked as mine. What is the time limit for doing an edit? I do not mean to be skulking in my edits! Now I have logged myself in for 30 days so I will not get logged off while I write something.
Prairieplant ( talk) 01:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC) I typed Londong instead of London in the title of one of my changes. Sorry! Cool story, I thought. Definite 1960s flavor in it, and the mood of the Cold War, added to a murder mystery, murder for greed, a frequent motive.
Starting the Plot Summary with the series summary is redundant, in each novel. Having the List of Characters allows Cadfael to be described, and reference made to the entry on Cadfael in wikipedia.
Plus, sometimes in looking up a story, I want to see the character names without reading the plot summary. This is especially helpful to me when I listen to an audio book and want to know the spelling of a character's name. The plot should not be told in the Character List, I agree with the person who took out my effort on that. But it was not true that everything in the Character List was found in the Plot Summary.
Most of the other Ellis Peters Brother Cadfael stories have a Character List, so this keeps them consistent for this 20 book series. Prairieplant ( talk) 07:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Supporting change in Plot summary, that Cadfael was on foot across the frozen stream, seeing what the boy could not see, still seated on the horse. Then went back again, alone, as boy and horse waited for him. The boy crossed the same stream; it could be a secret from him only if he could not see through the ice as Cadfael did. This is the end of Chapter 3:
The second brook, still and silent like the rest, was a shallow, reed-fringed, meandering serpent of silver. The horse disliked the feel of the ice under him, and Cadfael dismounted again to lead him over. The wide, glassy surface shone opaque from every angle, except when looking directly down into it, and Cadfael was watching his own foothold as he crossed, for his boots were worn and smooth. Thus his eye caught, for a moment only, the ghostly pallor beneath the ice to his left, before the horse slithered and recovered, hoisting himself into the snowy grass on the further side.
Cadfael was slow to recognize, slower to believe, what he had seen. Half an hour later, and he would not have been able to see it at all. Fifty paces on, with a thicket of bushes between, he halted, and instead of remounting, as Yves expected, put the bridle into the boy's hands, and said with careful calm: "Wait a moment for me. No, we need not turn off yet, this is not the place where the tracks divide. Something I noticed there. Wait!"
Yves wondered, but waited obediently, as Cadfael turned back to the frozen brook. The pallor had been no illusion from some stray reflected gleam, it was there fixed and still, embedded in the ice. He went down on his knees to look more closely.
The short hairs rose on his neck. Not a yearling lamb, as he had briefly believed it might be. Longer, more shapely, slender and white. Out of the encasing, glassy stillness a pale, pearly oval stared up at him with open eyes. Small, delicate hands had floated briefly before the frost took hold, and hovered open at her sides, a little upraised as if in appeal. The white of her body and the white of her torn shift which was all she wore seemed to Cadfael to be smirched by some soiling color at the breast, but so faintly that too intent staring caused the mark to shift and fade. The face was fragile, delicate, young.
A lamb, after all. A lost ewe-lamb, a lamb of God, stripped and violated and slaughtered. Eighteen years old? It could well be so.
By this token, Ermina Hugonin was at once found and lost.
Hope this is persuasive. Prairieplant ( talk) 09:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Well, I think it is an essential plot point, given the book's title, and the line in the above text that the ice was opaque from all angles other than standing right above it. The gruesome image was seen due to the need to walk the skittish horse, while he was searching the likely area. Protecting the boy is typical of Cadfael, as is being quiet about what he learns before it can be properly digested, used, as is his combination of chance and skill in finding clues as well as missing people.
The other way of saying it left me remembering how the boy sat in front of Cadfael on the horse, and wouldn't they both see the same thing, from the same vantage point? How could he conceal what lay open to view? That is why I noticed the sentence. I appreciate you letting it stand.
I may yet be stinging from your description of my two to three sentence plot summary at the top as lurid, blurb style, or something like that. My one and only attempt to write a "blurb" for a friend was a dismal failure; too dry. Dry description is more my strong suit. Your reason to delete the very short summary did startle me. Your strong aversion to the very brief summary led me not to revise what I wrote.
Yes, of course these summaries need to be terse yet clear, and pick up the points on which the plot turns. In mystery stories, pick up the points that lead the detective to find the resolution, which is as important as the name of the character who did the crime. Prairieplant ( talk) 14:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I looked for reviews but had no luck, not on web sites by book lovers, or in newspapers.
I see, two meanings for small b brother. Civil forces are the sheriff, not the army. Well, another try might distill the story. Those are contrasts and story tensions I saw. You call it sensationalist. Well, try for a middle course.
I am not much expert on publishing details. I see, only one reissue date is supplied, not the original. The television and radio programs are already mentioned. It is the short introduction that lacks -- which I can contribute. Prairieplant ( talk) 13:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
HLGallon, I thought we had talked this all out before. Making the plot summary longer is pointless. All good books have complex plots; our task is to trim out what we can and leave a reasonable summary. Longer novels than this have summaries that meet the Wikipedia standards. I appreciate how much you love this particular book. I like it too. But it needs a shorter Plot summary, not a longer one. WP:PLOTSUM
I am sorry to see that you put all those words back. They are not an improvement to the Plot summary, and a bit of an insult to me.
There is no original research, the dates are in the text, and you can read the book again to see that. You make that accusation rather easily, without checking the text yourself. That is how I knew the story happened in nine days, from the dates given. I went through to eliminate things said twice. Any change that makes it longer is a bad change at this point in my thinking. I hope we can agree on that. 1,300 words is close to double the guidelines. I got it down a little. The real edit it needs is not to include all the complexities but to relay the main threads of the story. Shorter Plot summaries than this one have been flagged for length by other editors. I think this one would read better if it were shorter. The book is rich with details, but there are main threads in the story. I hope we can agree on changes if they are shorter, more concise. Have a good night or good day! -- Prairieplant ( talk) 01:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The term squire in the 12th century referred to an aide or young man in training in the service of a knight.
The meaning of squire as a country landowner was not current until several hundred years later.
A man who owned a manor and lands surrounding it was called lord of the manor. Thus, it is not correct to call Leoric Aspley a country squire. His family was long in the area, from the Saxon days (that is, before Wiliam the Conqueror and his power over land ownership). Leoric Aspley was successful, as shown in his being called a generous patron of the Abbey by Abbot Radulfus. In discussing son Nigel settling in a manor further north upon his marriage, Nigel was described as seeing his lording.
Bucolic is not the opposite of prosperous. Throughout the story, Abbot Radulfus gives this family special attention because the generous donations to the Abbey made by Leoric Aspley. The finery of the wedding is marked as well above the common, suitable to a prosperous manor. All of England was bucolic in the 12th century; London had under 20,000 people.
The story takes place in a week, from after midnight the night of a Friday wedding to dawn on Saturday one week later. "The winter had been hard indeed, but was blessedly over, the sun had shone on Easter Day, and continued shining ever since, with only light, scattered showers to confirm the blessing. "
The days of the week are in turn described as matching the statement above (from the 4th paragraph of Ch.1) about the lovely weather. The boy does not enter the Abbey for a few more paragraphs. Thus it is Ellis Peters who says it was a lovely night in May when the story began.
Can someone explain the AnomieBot? I found a spot-on definition of a jongleur in 12th century England. I used the link in the plot summary, and again in the description of the character Liliwin who is a jongleur. The link works in both cases. What is the objection, why does the link "fail"? Cannot talk to a bot, I guess. Prairieplant ( talk) 16:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I removed this intriguing review because the link is not valid in Aug 2012. I did search at Nan Hawthorne's newer blogs, and cannot find reference to any Ellis Peters reviews. Perhaps someone else can find it?
"A more recent review can be found at "That's All She Read With Nan Hawthorne" "I don't think I have ever read a sweeter love story. You will just have to read it to see what I mean. It is, indeed, an excellent mystery." [1] /Blog no longer at URL, Aug 1, 2012/" Prairieplant ( talk) 05:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC) corrections -- Prairieplant ( talk) 18:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
This page was nearly bare, so I did plot summary, list of characters, theme and setting in history, and even found some of the critical reception. The last, not from newspapers of the time, but on line blogs and Kirkus Reviews. Not sure how to find those original reviews, when it was published. Added reflist and external sources. Accurate, but not as concise as I would like to be.
Still missing -- commentary on the herbal recipes given in this book; more about the television adaptation, which I did not see. Was its plot the same as the book? Altered slightly or a lot? If someone else knows, it would be great if they add that. Also, an image of the book cover. I cannot quite figure how to do that, even if it seems simple to do fair use from an Amazon cover image. Hoping someone else can do it easily.
Finding the French version of the title (wings of the raven) made clear the meaning of the title -- simply that the tall and dark haired Father Ailnoth, in his priestly garb and walking rapidly, looks like a raven as he stalked past Brother Cadfael near the Abbey, on the way to his death. Ravens have so much symbolism, hard to know if any specific symbolism was meant.
Prairieplant ( talk) 04:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
This is text from Chapter 1 of the book, mentioning Empress Maud and the setting relative to the activities of the Anarchy:
It was a large house, well walled round, with garden and orchard behind, and it belonged to Roger de Clinton, bishop of Coventry, though he rarely used it himself. The loan of it to Huon de Domville, who held manors in Shropshire, Cheshire, Stafford and Leicester, was partly a friendly gesture towards Abbot Radulfus, and partly a politic compliment to a powerful baron whose favor and protection, in these times of civil war, it would be wise to cultivate. King Stephen might be in firm control of much of the country, but in the west the rival faction was strongly established, and there were plenty of lords ready and willing to change sides if fortune blew the opposite way. The Empress Maud had landed at Arundel barely three weeks previously, with her half-brother Robert, earl of Gloucester, and a hundred and forty knights, and through the misplaced generosity of the king, or the dishonest advice of some of his false friends, had been allowed to reach Bristol, where her cause was impregnably installed already. Here in the mellow autumn countryside everything might seem at peace, but for all that men walked warily and held their breath to listen for news, and even bishops might need powerful friends before all was done.
Supports mention in the wiki.
Prairieplant ( talk) 14:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Please read WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:OR. The historical facts have no place in the article unless you can provide 3rd party coverage about the books that talk about the period of the time. GimliDotNet ( Speak to me, Stuff I've done) 14:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I did read both of those Wikipedia guides, and modified what I wrote to fit it, by adding sources. Third party sources. Including many wikipedia entries. except your actions cancelled my writing as I was doing it. Give a person a chance to do their edits!
Prairieplant ( talk) 15:42, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Please refrain from using blogs for reviews. Articles require WP:NOTABLE sources, not random individuals. I've just had to remove who swaves of content from A Morbid Tate for Bones. GimliDotNet ( Speak to me, Stuff I've done) 07:44, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
User:GimliDotNet I cited that blog because he had the top 100 list posted there. Wikipedia has the list posted, but it is a red link, confusing to me. I can reach it from google search results but not inside an article.
There are many blogs or sites that post that UK list. What is your guideline which one I can use so people can see the list? Do I use one as a source, with no mention in the text? For the US writers list, I found it on a public library site in the US. You accepted that one. The published source (on paper) of each list was in the External References.
One reviewer you dropped, named Cecily Felber, is an author who writes in the same time period and geography (Wales and Shropshire) as Ellis Peters. She posts her reviews on Goodreads. In one such post, she remarked that the Peters book inspired her to write her own. I had a footnote for the webpage with her and her book -- link provided by another person HLGallon. Why did you delete her?
Philip Grosset has a web site where he reviews "clerical detetctives" exclusively. Why is he not Notable in the eyes of Wikipedia? Are all blogs not Notable by definition?
What is wrong with Kirkus Reviews? Full time business is reviewing books, since 1933. Sometimes favorable, sometimes not.
Once in a while I can find Publishers Weekly and Library Journal, but not for every book. I have not figured how to get reviews from newspapers (which would come out when the books was published, therefore in their archives) or major mystery magazines.
Trying to learn.
I am curious how A Morbid Taste for Bones got on both those lists (US and UK), and I cannot yet find other reviews to match the high esteem of the mystery and crime writers. Out there, not found.
PS Thanks for following up on your own suggestion, on placement of the reference to stories with adaptation for television. My time had been spent putting content in the wikipedia entry for that year in British televion. The wiki links were useless with no mention of the date the show first aired on ITV in the UK. Got those from IMDb, the dates.
Not sure how to tell you that I have questions.
Prairieplant ( talk) 15:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a project where editors work together that you might be interested in. WP:NOVELS is the link. I've joined it yesterday. GimliDotNet ( Speak to me, Stuff I've done) 18:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
User: GimliDotNet I looked at it, not sure I am up to being part of the project. Still working on Cadfael series. Can you look at The Summer of the Danes entry? Plot summary is not the longest, but one contributor puts back details. I do not want argument. I put an alternative Plot Summary in my sandbox, but will not put it in the entry, as HLGallon will not like his/her words removed. Can this discussion about NOVELS and SHORT PLOT SUMMARIES and THIRD PARTY VIEWS of the novel include HLGallon too?
Prairieplant ( talk) 18:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
I put up a plot summary just now.
Longer than four paragraphs, but shorter than the summary of Our Mutual Friend, the last, longest and most complex novel by Charles Dickens. :-) Now even that impressive wiki entry is rated just B class (hard masters, these wiki raters).
I will re-read the novel to hear if there are errors to correct. I guess four paragraphs is beyond my scope!
Another day, it needs Setting in History to get some of those valued references added to the entry. Room to talk about heresy and heretics in 12th century England, or Europe, as I skipped all of the specific heresies and point-counterpoint dialogue in the summary. Perhaps also there is room for some discussion of seven year pilgrimages to the Holy Land by men in their 70s.
Prairieplant ( talk) 22:54, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
It has one quarter the word count of the Plot Summary for The Hermit of Eyton Forest, staying with Ellis Peters and Brother Cadfael. Is that any sort of accomplishment for a wiki article hoping to be "encylopedic"?
Prairieplant ( talk) 23:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I suppose not having the text immediately taken down is the only 'thanks' on wikipedia! I read the links you recommended and a few more. All the way to reading the entry for To Kill A Mockingbird as a perfect example.
Over my head, that kind of writing! I suppose I will keep trying. There is an example using Little Red Ridinghood, of how to pick the major plot and main themes, and not necessarily in the order of the plot. I do like to stick to chronology; so many challenges! I get the part about writing in the present tense and not in the world of the novel. All I do is think of extreme Star Trek fans, who live inside the show, cannot talk about it normally to understand that point. How to do that with a mystery story, still to learn.
Sinebot is a robot that automatically adds signatures when the editor forgets. It doesn't check the additions in any way. So what happened here is that someone vandalised the article (but did not sign the change) and the robot added the signature before anyone had a chance to undo the damage. PRL42 ( talk) 18:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining. The vandalism is gone now, the main point. Prairieplant ( talk) 06:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I've replied to your question regarding Cleeton on the Talk:Cleehill page. David ( talk) 13:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I've tweaked the page and replied to you at Talk:Vale#Where_is_vale_as_valley.2C_other_than_this_disambiguation_page.3F. Pam D 19:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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So the tedious efforts to shorten the Plot Summaries, each of them are major edits. Tedious to me, trying to edit what others have assembled, most of the time. I think I understand this now. Thanks. Prairieplant ( talk) 09:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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I added the Babel box to my user page. I never noticed that before. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Prairieplant ( talk) 00:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for the translations of
Olivier Charbonneau.
Peter Horn
User talk 04:09, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I have only today discovered the talk page/messages you left for me. That function is not obvious, even though I use Wikipedia almost daily.
Of course I had no idea about the rules you cite for summaries. Surely you can figure out some way to pop them up when the edit function is selected. As with the other Rules.
The length limit makes no sense, especially since storage is free, and I suppose that one reads the Summary of a novel to understand the plot; otherwise a Plot Introduction would suffice. The logic of her often-complicated mystery novels only make sense in a longer format.
I have no interest or time to shorten these summaries. The prior ones are very deficient in logic, in content, and often make mistakes. Some other reader will have to undertake subsequent corrections.
I find Wikipedia to be immensely helpful, and have been a financial contributor. I'm not sure about your role there, but if you are this patient in explaining things to me, you must be making a good contribution to w worthy cause.
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I replied on your talk page, as that is where the discussion began. Yes, there are many features of Wikipedia to uncover, at least that is what I have slowly learned. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 01:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I did a bit of tidying up at Olivier Charbonneau, sorry je m'excuse it has taken me six months to get round to this... I thought it best to revert it as I was in the middle of the translation when life intervened and so I left it a right mess and didn't have time to revert it even. Also my comments at User:Peter Horn's talk page probably seemed a bit harsh on French Canadians but were left in a hurry and were meant a bit tongue in cheek, they were not meant to be a put-down on French Canadians (or indeed English Canadians or anyone else).
The "sewer cleaner" is really a struggle to translate, "ditch cleaner"? I am really not sure how best to translate that. I just did a bit of tidying up and I can quite understand why you left the French in but I have translated that as a first pass but usually when I do a first pass translate then it is not very good English so could probably do with some polishing.
I am very sorry if I accidentally offended you with my off-the-cuff remarks about French Canadians, my intent was to make the article better and life intervened but it is certainly not my intention ever to offend anyone. I am sure you know I actually translated La Corriveau, a famous French Canadian, and got her to Good Article status, so it is not my business to go around insulting people (although she seemed quite good at it!) Si Trew ( talk) 12:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
SimonTrew, when I encountered the page it was mainly in French so I gave a try at translation. We decided to leave the French until others who felt strong enough in French and English gave it a review, and now you have done that. How do we add the the tag that the page is mainly translated from French Wikipedia? Seems we need to know the version number you used to start the English version. The tag might look like this, is it close? Except that version number is a complete fabrication. Back on 6 August 2013, Peter Horn marked on the French page that the English Wikipedia page had been set up. Where does one find the proper version number?
between double curly brackets translated page|fr|Olivier Charbonneau |version=45069858
I wondered also about the references that are deadlinks. Are there live links to use in their place? The links are dead from either version of Wikipedia. We have a red linked name in the English article Pierre Dagenets, but I see there is no link in French Wikipedia either, so I will just remove those brackets.
I do not feel insulted by any of the work you did. Glad you did it, mainly. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 22:00, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
{{
translated page|fr|Olivier Charbonneau|version=45069858|insertversion=573975874|small=no}}
, that is where I lost it when someone scraped my car so I think that is reasonable, I'lll stick that on its talk page. I'll come back to read the rest of this later but it needs that for
WP:COPYVIO so I shall do that first and thank you. I can't even speak French any more since I have been learnging Hungarian all day and I knwo it sounds ridiculous but I can't remember the French for thank you, it kinda gets "blocked" but at least, Kosszonem (thank you)
Si Trew (
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SimonTrew, thanks for showing me the easy way to find version numbers. Yes, they show nicely in the URL in the History list. You speak English and French and are learning Hungarian! It will be interesting at what point you feel comfortable with all your languages. So the translation template goes on the Talk page, not on the article page. I am learning new things all the time. I love that these articles on New France and its settlers are getting into English language Wikipedia, and then get strengthened (that is, taking the British bias out of the history type articles, which is much slower than your translation of Olivier Charbonneau). Such a grand story, I think, the settling of New France. Do you think we need to keep those dead links in the article? How long does a dead one stay there, before it is buried, I guess that is my question. I did hunt around a wee bit for some substitute reference, and found nothing, but my little search was just a toe in the waters. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 23:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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template was changed a few years ago and without the "small=no" it comes up as a tiny box, which to me just looks really ugly and also when there are other boxes on the talk page saying it's part of WikiProject New France or whatever then it gets rather hidden away and I think it just looks ugly, it's not that one wants to boast about the translation but other editors deserve to be able to see the information, I objected when the "small" came in to the default being changed thus the tag on lots of articles created before the change had their talk pages essentially changed by that, but I didn't win that one so that is how it stands.
Si Trew (
talk) 07:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)You asked about compating standard of living. Historian Peter Shergold (an Australian) has taken the economists' definition of standard of living and cost of living and compared two major steel cities (Pittsburgh in US and Birmingham in England). He first estimated annual incomes for skilled and unskilled workers in each city. He looked at actual family budgets in the two cities. He found the local prices for each basket item (pounds in England and dollars in US). The standard of living is what an average family could and did actually purchase every year (food, housing, clothes, leisure, etc). He found that American skilled workers could purchase about a 65% bigger basket of these goods than their English counterparts, while the baskets for unskilled workers were about the same for the two cities. Shergold's is the standard scholarly work & is often cited. --as shown by google citations. Rjensen ( talk) 00:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Hey, FYI, I just created The Last Pool and Other Stories this morning on a whim, and if you want to add anything, that would be awesome. Sadads ( talk) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
{{ Ship}} and its associated templates were created for the benefit of editors writing articles. There is no need to change them to standard wikilinks. Please desist from doing so. Mjroots ( talk) 19:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
== Dead Man's Folly ==Yes, I made more than verb tense changes. Hence the "clarified" notation. No, I did not make additions that duplicated what was told at the end. I broke one paragraph into two, but that was rearranging sentences, not adding. I did not "add" anything beyond fixes for clarity and verb tense. I get the feeling you didn't really look my changes and just arbitrarily decided to undo all of them. Douvaine ( talk) 19:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)Douvaine
Douvaine Sorry to upset you. I did read your changes to Dead Man's Folly carefully. The plot summaries for Agatha Christie stories have a bad habit of getting longer, not shorter, and I saw the change in bytes for the article was an increase. Plus I saw text that was in the denouement, the end of the summary, repeated in the opening. I look to keep them shorter, as Wikipedia's rules on plot summaries favor so strongly -- they like no more than four paragraphs and some editors will want a low word count as well -- less than 800 words for sure. The summary as it is now has 881 words and is in 8 paragraphs. If I erred, I do apologize. When I work on those summaries myself, I try really hard not to say parts of the plot twice in the summary, as one way of keeping it shorter. It was easier to revert, yes. I figured whatever needed saving from your edit could be done again. It is hard for me to keep the summaries short and accurate, trying to get a main theme, and not include all the cool plot devices she uses, all interesting characters. WP:PLOTSUM has some of the guidelines for plot summaries, see note 3 about length. There are good plots summaries written for novels far longer than one by Agatha Christie, so there is hope for success on staying accurate terse and interesting. I read your piece in the Talk page for the article. I hope some of the guidance from Wikipedia helps. As to pronouns, in general they refer to the last noun mentioned, so look for the last female name mentioned before "her" and you will have that settled. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 06:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Please have a look at this. Have a look at the news article I linked. Can I please ask who provided the 'organic' certification? Which government agency? If it's the food & drug administration it won't do since the judge has already ruled that the FDA is not reliable when it comes to these things (see [1]). Also please be mindful that the company's own claims on their own website is a primary source and is not acceptable per wp:rs and wp:npov and perhaps wp:puff. I understand you are looking for facts and not disputes, as am I-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Taeyebaar I do not see anything in the Wikipedia article as a puff piece. It is a bare bones descriptive article (a stub by Wikipedia standards), mainly listing the brands comprising the group. The court case is about personal care products, not about food, and only in California. I revised the Controversy section to reflect that, and put the references in cite web format. The food companies are not under challenge, at least from your sources, and they have the USDA certification on their products when the foods are organic. The article could use more about the dollar volume of the Group, if there are separate numbers for personal care vs food products, number of employees, location of companies in the group, etc. I am glad we are both aiming for facts in the article. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 08:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC) revised comment -- Prairieplant ( talk) 09:27, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant I don't disagree with most of what you have written. It mostly is about the company and it's products; however the use of organic or anything that gives a good impression of the products without proper reliable sources does make it appear promotional. If you can find a valid source that certifies the products as organic than that's fine. Calling some of them organic because the company has named it such is a sort of promotion. It should be verified that these products are organic. That's all I'm insisting on.-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
No that is not a reliable source. Blogs are not reliable to begin with. Somebody else stating their personal opinion is not a reliable source. I could open my own blog and state something with somebody else adding it as a citation on Wikipedia. That is not how it works. Please add some reliable sources. If you like you can shift the conversation to the talk page of the article and we can continue discussing it.-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:24, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Please see discussion at Wikipedia talk:Image use policy#Clarification needed regarding WP:WATERMARK. Cheers. Kaldari ( talk) 09:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, Prairieplant:
I am undoing your "undo" to the article " The Hundred Days (novel)". The redundant "ISBN" is necessary to produce the "magic link" to the "Book sources" page. It's a little ugly, and it's being discussed here. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 03:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your emotion-charged yet logical note on my talk page.
You seem to be the committee of one on this point.
— Prairieplant
Actually, I'm the choir, and you're the reverend. :-) I agree with everything that you wrote (with one exception noted below). Shall we make it a committee of two? The problem seems localized in Template:Infobox book. It needs to be changed so its "isbn" parameter does not require "ISBN" in the parameter value to create the "magic link" to the "Book sources" page. I don't have time because I still need to fix ~900 broken ISBNs. Do you want to handle it? You might also look at this discussion on the template's Talk page Template talk:Infobox book#Use abbr tag for ISBN?.
Where do we disagree? I think that the "magic link" to the "Book sources" page is HUGELY important. (If I didn't, I wouldn't work on these tedious, sometimes excruciating, broken ISBNs.) The "Book sources" page tells a reader where in the entire world he or she can find a copy of the publication...from Amazon online to a library in Spain. A second purpose--oftentimes the citation in a Wiki article has errors...from an incorrect title to a misspelled author's name. With a valid ISBN and its magic link, I can find the correct bibliographical information somewhere in the entire world.
In short, take a closer look at a "Book sources" page.
If you're not interested to fix Template:Infobox book, I'll kick start the discussion on the French Wiki page again eventually. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 06:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia's guru just showed me the solution to the ISBN situation with " The Hundred Days (novel)". I think you'll like it. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 07:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
By any stretch of the imagination, the photo that I removed (Struthof.PNG) and replaced with the image (Natzweiler-Struthof Concentration Camp Main Gates.JPG) that you placed in the body of the article, is a poor photographic image. If it was an archival photo, I could see using it in the lede, but it is an image from 2001 taken on a foggy day, with low contrast, poor resolution, unclear subject composition and does not enhance the article. The thumbnail (Struthof.PNG) snapshot probably should not be in the lede anyway - few articles have an image, especially an unclear one, in the lede. I ask you to reconsider placement and inclusion of images to enhance the article, rather than getting into an editing war. Thanks for your consideration. N0TABENE ( talk) 16:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
If you want to war over that google doodle being mentioned in the article on Agnes Martin, perhaps you should take it to the Talk page. I read the brief discussion you linked, which seems to include the opinions of a few and no tallies of articles about men and women compared to google doodle about noting men and women. Wikipedia marks some articles by putting them in Did you know..? on the Wikipedia main page. Do you routinely delete that from the article's talk page? Google honors people, not articles, by new artwork to honor the person. I sometimes know the person, but like so very many people, I go to the Wikipedia article to learn about someone new to me. The articles are usually edit-locked for the time the doodle is up, to discourage the many people who thoughtlessly edit the articles. Do you think it is an insult to the person's memory to be remembered? Is that the case? The arguments at your link were somewhat convoluted, that you will delete mention of a google doodle, and a link to it, for articles about women because if there is a google doodle about a man, it is not mentioned in the article about the man. If that is true (and you provide no evidence), why not add mention of the doodles about men, as your grand Wikipedia project instead? At any rate, the text has been knocked out and added back in twice now, so it is time to make a stronger case at Agnes Martin as to why that real event about her in popular culture must be censored from the article. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 11:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
This is official notification that you are edit warring at The Moving Finger. You are now at the limits of WP:3RR – a policy you should read carefully. Should you revert again I will not hesitate to report your actions in the appropriate forum, where there are several steps of administrative action that could be taken against you. – SchroCat ( talk) 16:57, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
On the Blood-Stained Pavement in The Thirteen Problems by Agatha Christie: I wonder why you removed my statement that the disappearance of the blood stains is never explained. I did not say that this is the main mystery. All I wanted to point out is that this is a flaw in the story (which I had read very recently before making that entry). The story tells us that Joyce Lemprière first had seen the blood stains on the pavement (and we know from the ending that they were real) but it also tell us that she looked a second time later and there were no blood stains. How they had disappeared, is never explained -- just as I said (this is awkward, as it is very difficult to remove blood stains from the pavement, once they have dried in and even before, moreover the murderers would have had to expose themselves in cleaning the pavement, which would take a long time). So that is a weak point of Agatha Christie's story, one of the very few she has at all. I thought it interesting to give a hint at that.
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Didn't know I couldn't put game that wasn't avalible yet on ABC Murders jsut assumed no one knew about it.
The one referenced fact in the section that I recently deleted and you reverted has now been moved to a more appropriate place. The rest was plainly OR and I've mentioned what I've now done about it and an equally suspect section without proper citations on the Talk page. I've also had long experience of copy-editing and don't particularly want to cross swords with you! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 10:43, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
OK, I'll leave it to you. Though I'm an Austen fan, I've never liked Emma. There are two things you could do now. One is to find who placed the cn tabs in the one section and put dates on them so you can check how long it has been that problem has not been addressed; the other is to locate the overall development section you found and put a redirection tab at the head of the Emma section on the subject. Good luck! Mzilikazi1939 ( talk) 14:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Mzilikazi1939 – I put the citation needed notations in that text, not so long ago, when I decided to read the Wikipedia articles on the Jane Austen novels. I am an Austen fan, too, and I like Emma a lot, for all its humor and good dialogue, as the young lady learns better manners and her own heart, while running her funny father's household. My favorite is Persuasion. Oh, I can add a Main article link to that page, yes, that is logical. And then hope someone who knows French better than I do begins to bring translated sections over from the French article, with references. I can read the French article easily, but translating is another step up the language skills ladder. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 14:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Prairieplant. I hope you remember our discussion on the Jewish skeleton collection. I mentioned a great documentary I had seen, and promised to come back to you if I gain access to it again. Now I do; it was aired here again and I have access to it for a month. It's In The Name of the Race and of Science, Strasbourg 1941-1944 (Arte France). So, if you want me to work on related articles, I can provide information sourced to that documentary. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 12:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Finnusertop Of course I remember our discussion on the Jewish Skeleton Collection, most moving and informative. I have not done my rephrasing yet, but I will. As I said, my mood has to be right to take on that page, and not get myself overwhelmed in the sorrow of that place and that time. That is great you have the documentary showing, so some sourced information can be added. There seems to be a bit of it on you tube, yes, it is shown in four 15 minute segments, beginning with this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSpfXgUxqeI. Then the 2nd is "next up" in you tube lingo, and so on. These are in French, which is not marked as one of your languages on your page. Perhaps you are seeing a version with subtitles? Anyway, time to get myself disciplined to make my promised revisions. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 21:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant, Nice edits on the N-S page. I thinks its OK to use youtube videos if that's the best source. Did you check out WP:YOUTUBE? I've never used a youtube video as an inline reference, but did link to a video on the Landsberg am Lech page on the external link section. Regards, NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 16:41, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant. Per our earlier discussion, I took a stab at translating the fr:Hans-Joachim Lang and de:Hans-Joachim Lang to create a new English WP article. Actually, I asked my father to help with the German translation since he served as a French and German translator with the U.S. 7th Army in Alsace 1944-45. Before posting it, I wanted some feedback. It's really no more than a Start-class level but at least it's a start. Let me know what you think, and maybe Finnusertop too. Here is the link to my sandbox User:N0TABENE/sandbox/Hans-Joachim Lang - I didn't want to move it to the Draft space before getting another set of eyes on it. Thanks. NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 20:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes it is ready, and worth suggesting it for did you know . . . ? Can we put that Germab Wikipedia page in See also? I mean the page that lists the winners of that press freedom award by year. I had put it next to the award as a source, a bit clunky perhaps. When writing about authors who get awards, I try hard to find a source that lists the awards, either a Wikipedia page or the website of the organization giving the award. First time I have tried using my mobile phone to type for Wikipedia. A bit odd! Easier on the lap top Prairieplant ( talk) 04:14, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
What do you think of this for a DYK ....
I have 2 pending DYK nominations – maybe you’d like to submit this or another one? This is less than 200 characters. The submission date was 3/28/16, so there's 7 days since creation. I think it's still pending review because it's a WP:BLP. I created 2 new articles on World War 2 generals withing the last week and both were patrolled and published within hours. NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 21:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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On 11 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hans-Joachim Lang, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the long-lost names of 86 Jews killed for the Jewish skeleton collection planned by Nazi anatomist August Hirt over 70 years ago were published by Hans-Joachim Lang? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hans-Joachim Lang. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Thank you quality contributions to articles such as Hans-Joachim Lang, performed in collaboration, for arresting plot sections, for updating article talk, especially for books, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
Gerda Arendt Thank you so much! -- Prairieplant ( talk) 10:37, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
A year ago, you were recipient no. 1362 of Precious, a prize of QAI! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:16, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Three years now! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! -- Prairieplant ( talk) 00:38, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
I do not agree with deleting the second revision of The Secret Adversary, where it is explained where the name of Jane Finn was first heard. I am sorry, but without some explanation about Jane Finn's choice of name by Tuppence, the whole plot makes no sense. I did the shortest possible explanation using the existing text, but I could have added a whole paragrapth, so I disagree that the edit was too much explanation. The rules say to keep it simple, but no so simple that someone who has not read the book cannot understand it. If you read the plot part assuming that you have not read the book, you will see that it has many holes. Some are not important, but that particular one is a crucial plot device. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAlitxu ( talk • contribs) 07:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
TheAlitxu Hello. That plot summary is very long per Wikipedia guide lines; it needs to be almost one third shorter. It is flagged for too much detail. I am not sure what you mean by "holes" in the summary. There is no way to capture every twist and turn of the novel as Christie wrote it; read the novel for that. Where the invented name came from is a small detail, as interesting as Jane Finn becomes in the novel. It is a challenge to do a short summary; the other Tommy and Tuppence novels are summarized briefly. The summary can be a lot shorter and still convey the plot. Editors coming upon this article have the task of making it shorter, eliminating details while still providing the flow. So the task is to find ways to remove details from this plot summary, not to add them. It takes some thinking to decide what can be dropped or said in fewer words, especially when summarizing a story that has many twists and turns. It is good that you did not add a whole paragraph! MOS:PLOT and WP:PLOTSUM shed some light on ways to shorten a plot summary and why it is important that the plot summary not dominate the article about a novel. I realize it is difficult to cut away the parts of such interesting plots. If it helps, look at some of the summaries of other novels with much detail that are summarized in a few paragraphs and 800 words or less. The Secret of Chimneys and The Murder of Roger Ackroyd meet the length guidelines yet convey the stories well, in my view. Discussions of what is most important about the novel (a particular plot twist or specific red herrings, for example) belong in the article but not in the plot summary. Those discussions need to be sourced, as Wikipedia is not the place for original research. I hope you can see ways to shorten the summary, so that someday the flag about too much detail can be removed. I hope that helps. I appreciate that you posted your concerns on my talk page; it is important to know how each of use views a change. I do encourage you to edit articles and learn the rules and guidelines as you go along. Do remember to sign your posts, using the four tilde in a row. Tilde is upper case of the left most key in the number row on my lap top, and in the the third set of characters on my phone (ABC is 1st; 123 is 2nd; #+= is 3rd set). Same symbol that is used over the n in Spanish word señor. I do not know where all computer makers put it! A bot signed for you, which helped me greatly. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 13:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Prairieplant The article for the Kaufering concentration camp was tagged as having a copyright violation (not written by me) and the entire section about the origin and history of the camp has been removed. Would you be interested in working together to re-write it since we've worked well together in the past? The 11 Kaufering camps were sub-camps of Dachau concentration camp and used to supply a forced labor force to build the Messerschmitt ME-262 jet fighters and other forced labor industries. It was depicted in the HBO series " Band of Brothers" but that failed to mention that it was actually discovered by the 12th Armored Division that I've written about extensively. It would be an interesting project that I would like working on, if you're interested. Thanks. NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk
Reverting hard work, explained in Talk, en masse, without explanation in Talk, is uncalled for. Discuss changes. No article is owned by any editor, however interested. The changes were thoughtful, careful, AND SOURCE BASED. They also standardize the article to a more biographical format. Change carefully, slowly, AND EXPLAIN. Le Prof. Leprof 7272 ( talk) 17:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
You have made some nice edits at some of the novels for Jane Austen and I was wondering if this was a casual interest in her novels or if you might have a larger interest in her novels. If you might have an interest in possibly improving one or two of them to peer review status then perhaps you could let me know which of her novels you might consider being at the top of such a list. Cheers. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 16:56, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
You have very strong feelings! Wikipedia does have its rules and tools, that is a fait accompli. I cannot find the page in Wikipedia that shows the differences in the various reference styles that are supported, I am getting tired right now. I need that page to be clearer on just what is being altered by the system we agreed to use, or mix of systems, really, and whether the page ever had MLA style on it. Until tomorrow, then? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 23:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
irrelevant as he would have been drafted in 1968 the instant he graduated. The 1Y classification, however earned, made the birthday lotteries irrelevant. Richard Flahavan is correct so why is this text here? More interesting is the rich guy with the minor medical issue that did not need surgery, thus avoiding Viet Nam service
Irrelevant, interesting and minor are subjective. There are many people who agree with you. And many people who disagree with you. And many people who agree with some of your points and disagree with the rest of your points. -- Turkeybutt ( talk)
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Turkeybutt JC Next time, sign your post. Enough with the big big big over a comment that only editors can see. Advert? What am I selling? I left a comment, not an edit. The last sentence of that paragraph is incorrect and ought to be deleted, which you could do yourself, once you step down from your soapbox. The birth date lottery applied to guys when they hit their 18th birthday and registered with the military, not after being classified 1Y, so the sentence is irrelevant. I did not read the cites because I am not that interested, but I do suspect the cites apply to the sentence prior, or to a better closing sentence that you can write yourself. I was reading the article only to see the age difference between my older brother and Trump. My brother had five years of college deferments and the day of his last class, no graduation ceremony allowed, he was called up and he served. My brother is two years younger than Trump, so the pressure on the rich boy Trump was even higher to be drafted, being two years older, and just four years of college. I hope you do not admire inaccurate and irrelevant statements in Wikipedia biography of living persons articles, as it now appears that you do. How is it that you can "detect" what is in my mind? That is a rhetorical question. I know that heel spurs not requiring surgery are minor, so that is not subjective; it is not worth my time hunting down secondary sources, however, having had my primary source experience with them. I take it you were not alive and of the age to be drafted in that era, or you would know that the 'rich guys are deferred, poor guys get drafted' topic was one large topic of great interest in the days of that unpopular war. Deal with my two statements of fact, his 1Y classification is the last word, and the birth date lottery did not apply to Trump on account of his 1Y classification. Those two things make the sentence unnecessary and subjective about the draft in those confusing times. How or why Trump got the 1Y classification is another topic altogether, one not touched upon in this article. If you need a last sentence, put the quote from Flahavan in the text in quote marks, instead of the References, and that will close the section nicely and accurately, without a speculative sentence. You would be well advised to be sparer with your sharp words, in my view and to sign your posts; only Wikiepdia's notice system let me know who you are. Have a great day! -- Prairieplant ( talk) 18:44, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
There is NO CONSENSUS on the Talk page for Jane Austen for any of these edits by these 4 users. All editors must follow the Open RFC to the letter until it ends. Could you hold these edits until the RfC is completed. Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 17:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Prairieplant, I thought I'd drop a personal note here instead of clogging up the Austen page even more. You're right that I've not been responding but I have been reading your comments. As it happens, for the past two or three weeks I've been extremely tied up in real life (I did post to the Austen page that I'd be mostly gone until September) and haven't been replying to every comment posted on Wikipedia (in fact have been slow to reply to comments on a FAC where I'm a co-nominator). Yesterday was the first day in ages when I got some free time. I've noticed your comments on the Reception article and think they're interesting, for what ever that's worth. I might try to work that information into one of the Murasaki Shikibu pages. As for the changes, I'm happy to have anything challenged or discussed - I think we're in a state of flux, which isn't always a bad thing. I'd be happy if everyone can work together collegially, and we should be doing that, rather than fighting. It's conflict, more than anything, that tends to drive me away. After a family emergency a few weeks ago, when I peeked into that page and read some of the edit summaries I decided it would be best not to read the comments. Anyway, I'm rambling now - what I'm trying to convey is that there's a reason I've been unresponsive that has nothing to do with you or anyone else. Victoria ( tk) 12:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
These reversions on Persuasion and Mansfield Park were accompanied by misleading edit summaries. You restored the novel links after it had been carefully explained why they are inappropriate instead of continuing to discuss the issue on the talk pages (but I'm not encouraging you to do this, it would be a waste of your time, the novels are very clearly not part of a series so not even the blank parameters are appropriate). This is edit warring and you really must stop doing this. -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Which part of "Title of prior book in series; ... (do not use to connect separate books chronologically)" (emphasis in original - see Template:Infobox book documentation) is not clear to you? By all means seek consensus to change that, but until it is changed, follow the instructions. Please take note of WP:3RR before continuing to revert on these articles. -- Mirokado ( talk) 15:57, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I somehow didn't notice that that was a quotation. Sorry about that! Trivialist ( talk) 22:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Please check you spelling of Gaborone. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 14:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Prairieplant: I saw your changes to the footnoting for this article. I am quite willing to use the "snfp" template, though I admit I am starting to face difficulties remembering all the templates I should use. In this case in particular, I can't see that it adds any functionality. What am I missing? Cheers, Acad Ronin ( talk) 13:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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Theroadislong ( talk) 15:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)I've noticed on a couple of the Hillerman books that you've added a talk page request. Here's how to do it yourself:
1) Find cover art image. You can usually find them on the publisher's home page, or on sites like www.goodreads.com. FYI, a good way to find the book at goodreads, is to click on the ISBN number in article. That takes you to a Book sources page. Scroll down to the Online databases section, and there is a selection "Find this book at Goodreads.com"
2) There is often (but not always) an option on the image to enlarge it. I usually do, but once I didn't have the option and it worked out anyway.
3) Right click on the image and save it to your computer.
4) In your Tools section (mine is on the left-hand side of the page), there is a link for "Upload file". Click it. It's rather self explanatory, with check boxes.
5) Book covers are always Non-free use rational. You can use File:Song of the Lion.jpg as a cheat sheet if you like.
6) Left-hand red stars tells you what is mandatory to click or fill out. Once you've filled it out, you should see an option at the bottom to Upload the file. If the Upload is grayed out, you missed something above.
7) Once the upload is successful, it will instantly flip you to another page. Scroll up, and you can click on the bolded File name link to see what you uploaded. Use that file name in the article's infobox.
DatBot will come along in a day or so to make a secondary copy, adapted to whatever size Wikipedia will allow. The result of that looks like (scroll to the bottom) File:Ladies of the Lights.jpg. You probably won't even be able to tell the difference between the two.
Happy uploading! — Maile ( talk) 22:00, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I understand about the reversions to my edit, but I do have a real notable concern over that second stage adaptation - I've checked the citations and I'm not sure that play actually adapted the novel much, other than the use of the murder method in the novel's plot. As far as I can tell, the first citation states "adaptation of novel" in its heading, but doesn't make much reference of the novel within the rest of it, while the second citation, a review of that play, pretty much shows that the novel wasn't adapted as such, much used as the basis to create, as it describes, a "metatheatrical polemic about the way Asian-Americans have been characterized and caricatured in popular culture". In all honesty, I think this should really be in a separate section for "References in other works" - I don't believe this play to be a complete adaptation of the novel as the citations state. GUtt01 ( talk) 08:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Please, join the conversation! - Conservatrix ( talk) 05:44, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Please don't write direct links to other Wikipedia's. {{ ill}} is much better, - you still have the direct link (when you click on the language symbol), but also a warning that you will meet a foreign language, which could be Hebrew or Russian. The ill-link turns automatically to blue when the red link is created. - If you don't like a red link there's a remedy: create the article ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt and Graham87 I appreciate your time, but I still think that is a poor set-up, the red link with the wee live link to the article in another language. I hope someone redesigns that, or comes up with compelling data that red links lead to articles being written in less than 5 years time, and that most readers of the article figure out that the tiny de or fr will lead to an article in the other language of Wikipedia. I never did.
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Hello! I was looking around on Wikipedia for someone to help out with an article I'm currently trying to make about a notable series book. You seemed to be an expert on the field, and I was curious if you could help point me in the right direction to writing an article about a book? (As this is not usually what I write about) This is my work in progress. Thank you so much for any advice you may give! Horsegeek (talk) 00:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Horsegeek
Hello- in the article Americans in China, you wrote the word 'expatriates' as 'ex-patriots' [6]. Geographyinitiative ( talk) 01:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
The picture is a portrait of his brother the admiral Ferdinand-Alphonse Hamelin and not the rear admiral Jacques Félix Emmanuel Hamelin. Pyb ( talk) 14:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The National Portrait Gallery in Canberra, Australia has the 1837 lithograph of Jacques Hamelin in its collection, showing a black and white version here. Does that make it easier to bring the image into the article? It was done by Antoine Maurin, as Rama suggested. What do you think, Pyb? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 17:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Please, before you re-revert my edit, parse the sentence. There is no actual full sentence if you use "which" in that spot; it has a subject ("the International Boundary and Water Commission"), but no verb, since everything after the subject is contained in a subordinate clause ("which was established in 1889 to maintain the border, and pursuant to still later treaties its duties expanded to allocation of river waters between the two nations, and providing for flood control and water sanitation.") Even as it stands with my edit ("the International Boundary and Water Commission was established in 1889"), the sentence is poorly written, with a confusing grammar ("and pursuant to still later treaties its duties expanded ..."), but at least it's a sentence. Doug ( talk) 14:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for evaluating my edit ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=And_Then_There_Were_None&action=edit&oldid=951383647), in which I had deleted part of a sentence: “it is likely that new foreign-language editions will match that title in their language”. You comment that “Statement is sourced, and followed by examples where translators did not stick to the official title”. Actually, the cited source only confirms the first part of that sentence, that is that the Estate of Agatha Christie consider now And Then There Were None as the official title, while nothing is said about foreign-language editions.
Furthermore, “examples where translators did not stick to the official title” do not say anything about the likelihood of new editions having one or another title. So the sentence, as it is now, sounds somewhat opinion-based (unless we could quote some authority about Christie's foreign editions who stated such a prediction).
Thanks, Goochelaar ( talk) 20:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Goochelaar, thanks for your reply. Comments about future titles seem beyond our scope, yours and mine, and that of Wikipedia. Published titles, in existence, can be discussed. Perhaps the citation could be moved to end of the first part of the sentence, as that is what it supports. That other sentence might be edited to say “Perhaps future foreign language editions will reflect this decision by the Estate of Agatha Christie.” Would that be clear and based on facts? - - Prairieplant ( talk) 20:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Prairieplant. It sounds still a bit opinion-based, but it's certainly an improvement, clarifying what's actually in the source being quoted. Thanks, all the best, Goochelaar ( talk) 20:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you, Driverofknowledge! Very kind. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 10:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Please don't change the format of dates, as you did to Dilhan Eryurt. As a general rule, if an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the dates should be left in the format they were originally written in, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. Please also note that Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes (e.g., st, nd, th), articles, or leading zeros on dates.
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Hi there. I wasn't doubting that the book was published in Scotland, it just seemed that "Country" was rather ambiguous, as it could mean published, written, set in, ... I've checked the infobox documentation and it seems you are fully correct, so my issue is with the template rather than the article it seems! Regards — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
MSGJ, all the information in the infobox is about the first edition. The cover on the book is from the first edition. If the book was first published before 1970, then no ISBN is provided, even if subsequent editions have an ISBN. To me, that is consistent. Further publications can be discussed in the Publication history section, along with their ISBN, or for very major novels like works of Dickens or Austen, given inline citations to quote from a definitive annotated edition. That is why I put the information from that book review about how a book published in Scotland was noticed in much of the world but not in England until the 5th novel in the series, in Publication history. There are other books where first publication is either US or UK, Agatha Christie’s novels being a prime example, as she had a publisher in each nation and sometimes first publication was in the US, not in her native UK. This instance of the parts of the UK being relevant is fun, even funny, but an example of how books find their audience and how there are publishers everywhere. - - Prairieplant ( talk) 21:13, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, I noticed you reverted a few of my edits inserting section headings into articles instead of using a single semicolon. I am not sure if you are aware that the use of a single semicolon to create headings is an incorrect use of the Wikipedia "definition lists" feature. See H:DL and I quote: Do not use a semicolon (;) simply to bold a line without defining a value using a colon (:). This usage renders invalid HTML5 and creates issues with screen readers. I am going to assume good faith that you were not aware of this and so posting a message on your talk page to let you know. Happy to discuss further if there are other options to consider, or your concerns at using subheadings. Kidburla ( talk) 14:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you added "citation needed" on quite a few of the Japanese anime adaptations I noted on individual novel/collection pages. I would like to know the reason for your doubt - as the article itself has a full list of episodes which should back up these claims. The only change I did was to add references to the individual novel/collection articles. If you dispute the episode list contained within the article for the show, maybe it would be worthwhile to mark citation needed on that article as well? Thanks. Kidburla ( talk) 14:29, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you, Gerda Arendt! Such a beautiful gem. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 17:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from http://collections.lib.purdue.edu/fa/pdf/ellis.pdf, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. I also removed some quotations. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa ( talk) 12:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Diannaa I hoped the quotes and source could remain until I or another editor could rephrase it. The Purdue Library has a clearly written bio that was far clearer than the text in the article as to how those engineer egos clashed in building the Golden Gate Bridge. I had not realized that Ellis was living in Chicago when he did the calculations and drawings, a quote from elsewhere that got me interested in the article. — Prairieplant ( talk) 13:34, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Just a friendly reminder regarding the recent revert you made to Poirot's Early Cases: After a revert, it's nice to place a message on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox or other applicable resources. You might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. They can also be used to give a warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Cheers :) — FORMALDUDE( talk) 03:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
In British English grammar, there should be no capital letters after a colon or dash, except for proper names. Since Agatha Christie's bibliography pages are written in British English, that grammar rule applies here. Thank you for not reverting again without a proper reason. -- Stelmaris ( talk) 07:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm not a keeper of any flame (what a weird thing to say...), this rule is in any British English grammar, dictionary and style guide: see Oxford University style guide https://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/Style%20Guide%20HT2016.pdf), this University of Sussex article http://www.sussex.ac.uk/informatics/punctuation/colonandsemi/colon, and Wikipedia's own entry (see 2.5 here /info/en/?search=Colon_(punctuation)#Use_of_capitals). You're welcome to keep capital letters in articles written in American English but Agatha Christie is a British author, who wrote in British English and any article about her an her works should adhere to British English grammar rules. I will revert your changes but feel free to take this issue up with Wikipedia admin if you still want to argue Wikipedia own rules on this. -- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
I would completely disagree with your last statement: it's all to do with the differences between British and American English. Whether it's text or a list, British usage is not to use a capital letter after a colon or dash, as stated in all (British) style guides, dictionaries, grammars. I've worked as an editor for many years and I should know. However, I don't intend to enter into a protracted edit war so I'll leave you to your American usage.-- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
The year of publication is never italicized following the title; italics are used for the title only. You wouldn't write Iron Man (2008 film), you'd write Iron Man(2008 film). Packer1028 ( talk) 20:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
You bio of Barr is severely flawed. I suggest you contact her to get your details straight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:4DC2:B168:216B:6F64:116E:6914 ( talk) 16:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
FYI, in case you haven't noticed: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Temax_reported_by_User:Eric_(Result:_) and Maturin article history. Eric talk 21:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
The main image on this page does not have the Cupid. Images of the full Cupid are now available. 2601:152:4D80:88B0:E482:1187:4C04:2512 ( talk) 13:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
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Regarding your unnecessary reversion of this article, I feel it is very useful to repeat the subject's name so that the casual reader has a frequent reminder of who the subject is. If your comment is based on a Wikipedia policy, please advise me of it. Also, if you find a mistake, the polite solution is to simply fix it yourself. I assume you never make mistakes when you edit. Have a nice day. Rogermx ( talk) 18:32, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on El Palo Alto. Wanted to fix that article up last year, but couldn't find good sources. Ovinus ( talk) 23:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
May you have success in gaining Good Article status. It reads well and the images are excellent. - - Prairieplant ( talk) 15:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Just Another Cringy Username ( talk) 06:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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I just moved an article from my sandbox to Main space. I think I messed up on the Talk page, as there seems not be to one, or it links to the first article I wrote, but nothing about Wilmette Wilbus. I need a bit of help there. Prairieplant ( talk) 04:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion discussion about Wilmette Wilbus has been moved to the Talk page of the article. Please make your comments there. - - Prairieplant ( talk) 14:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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