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Hi Ntnon, and welcome again. You are very likely to get in touch with some other Wikipedians very soon for the picture you just uploaded for People Like Us. Copyright problems, you know. Good idea to write about the series. Looking forward to reading your contributions, -- KF 15:08 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Erg. Copyright I thought would bo OK on that.. seeing as how the BBC website said it was OK to use it in promotional repects or something... Hmm.
Ah nuts. I presume you're sure..?! I did think quite hard about it... but I can't find any other public domain images, and I thought this would easily be covered by the disclaimers on the BBC site - http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/peoplelikeus/peoplephoto.htm - 'may be used for publicity purposes..' (Although that would explain why the picture keeps vanishing...!)
OK.. how about this.. Can I upload a logo for DC Comics...? Or anything that will promote the parties involved...?
Righty-ho! I'll e-mail the BBC, then... and cross my fingers. You'd think that any publicity would be a good thing, really...
(What about TV stills? Fully creditted things..?!) :o) Oh, and track-listings, or transcriptions of sketches..? Presumably the former, not the latter..?
I knew it. And Eloquence seems to be one of the tough guys around here. Good luck to you anyway. -- KF 23:03 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Please use "Show preview" before saving a page. This way, if there is a problem the page will not be saved. You will be able to fix it without spamming Recent Changes and the page's history. Your constant saves to Watchmen are getting annoying; if you use "Show preview" there will be no issue. -- goatasaur
Advice and opinion does not equal fact. If you'd like to add facts to the page, please feel free, include references. Mikieminnow ( talk) 13:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. :o) Greyhound Adoption Agency requirements are factual. Speed, agility, unsound recall, lack of road sense and prey drive are factual. Copious references throughout from multiple adoption agencies' websites - the best sources for facts on Greyhounds-as-pets. I will add footnotes from print sources when I can gain access to them. ntnon ( talk) 14:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
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1. My conversations with the CAC founders do not count as sources for an article. Do not add material without proper sources. 2. See Wikipedia's Manual of Style for how articles need to be written. For example, don't capitalize the entire section heading. Doczilla ( talk) 00:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Well worded: "The Comic(s) Arts Conference" Doczilla ( talk) 07:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the hard work. I've recently across a number of entries that you've greatly expanded and improved. Keep up the good work. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC))
Thanks for the input:
You are welcome to leave your own comments there - although the best option is to add some sources that prove notability ;) ( Emperor ( talk) 20:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC))
Well that shows how observant I am!! I hadn't linked "you" with "comics you" and... never mind. ;) Yes if there is anything I can fish out then let me know. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC))
I thought I may as well give you some more reading - a couple of thoughts I had that sank like a stone:
That's it for now. ( Emperor ( talk) 14:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC))
Given your interest in Alan Moore I thought I'd throw in a suggestion for a new article: Antony Johnston, he has done a lot of comic work [2] (see also the what links here) as well as the adaptations of Moore's work. I keep meaning to get around to it but other things keep intruding and while it was on my mind I thought I'd throw it over to you. No worries if you aren't interested but it struck me as being up your alley. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC))
We genuinely don't need it and it will only make the situation more confusing than it already is - see my comments on the talk page [4]. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC))
Hello Ntnon! I was just having a look at your user page (you'd inadvertently linked it into the ITC Distributions list) and I was wondering if you'd be interested in joining the ITC wikiproject... it's desperately short of members and could do with some enthusiastic editors! Howie ☎ 02:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I see you've worked on Cast of Characters vs. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen lawsuit. It looks like much of the article makes extensive use of poor sources, like forums, blogs, and the IMBDB. Since the litigants are living people whatever is said about them needs to comply with the WP:BLP policy. Offhand, It's hard to see how that can be done without drastic editing. Do you want to take a try or shall I? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
While policy allows for reverting edits by sock puppets, regardless of the quality, in this case, looking at what was removed and what sourced it, I'd say that a reliable source for the material would be required. It's a distinct possibility that Murphy removed the material that sourced the statements, which he is wont to do. In any case, yes, a source would be necessary, per WP:BLP. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
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I suspect we may disagree on whom should be in the Major Villains list, but we can deal with that at a later date. ;o) Since I don't want to wind up in an edit conflict with you, I'm working on this page offline at the moment, but have one correction and two suggestions:
I'll leave it there until you're done, and then (no doubt) politely disagree with some of it! :o) ntnon ( talk) 00:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
This is basically how I think it ought to be laid out. Costume/No costume; MAJOR, Gallery, also-ran. (N.B. I like that "Gallery" label, too. :o)) ntnon ( talk) 01:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Joe Chill became the first real "Batman Villain" when he shot the Waynes and started Bruce down his path of vigilanteism. Joker kicked off the recurrent villains, with Catwoman hot on his tail, and Penguin following soon thereafter. Zucco caused the Graysons to fall to their death, inadvertantly setting in motion the appearance of Robin, the Boy Wonder. DA Harvey Dent was attacked by Moroni, flipped and became Two-Face who would prove important to the evolution of Robin. Killer Moth was the first Villain to be encountered by early Batgirl, (and then the Joker shot Barbara, creating Oracle), while the third Robin had early run-ins with Killer Snake. During the Knightfall saga, Bane set free the inmates of Arkham Asylum <NOTE - is Arkham even linked to here? Should be. As should Blackgate.>, and hounded Batman into exhaustion before breaking him. | ” |
..i.e. covering some of the major plot beats in Bat-villain history, mentioning major villains, etc. That's what I'd prefer to see - and as a lead-in, rather than a subsection.
The key here is that, while you and I may know that, the page (or at least where it stood before I started refactoring) really was just a list of names. There is no way the average person who knows little to nothing about the characters would be able to sift through and discover that Two-Face (for example) is one of the most important/notorious villains. The page should give the characters "weight" to each other (and to Batman et al) in relation to the Bat universe chronology, and also give a sense of that chronology. A list of names is not much more than a navbox with a synopsis. This page should be more than that.
And we can do it through sections of prose, and section header leadins as well.
One thing to keep in mind is that this is Wikipedia. And no matter what we may do, this will become "mercilessly edited". So I think it's better to build a solid framework for the page which can grow (chronology, prose sections, notability weight, etc.) than just have a couple lists of names which ends up being a POV mess (as it was).
I moved the discussion concerning the template issues (such as character inclusion) to its talk page to hopefully reduce confusion of others, and am continuing that discussion there. - jc37 02:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I've started a discussion here. Can you participate? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 14:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Per user:Wildhartlivie, I've blocked User:TuppenceABag as a sock of banned user. Per [WP:BAN]], that user's edits may be reverted regardless of their merits. Since you're more familiar with the article, I'll leave it to you to decide what to revert. I'd urge care, as some parts may not be worth retaining. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, isn't that special? I'm not entirely thrilled to be a target of his. But it confirms that it was him. I didn't get him banned for removing things, I reported that a banned user was using a sock puppet account after being banned. Nice. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
-- Bedford 23:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
No worries. It confused the Hell out of me as I sure it wasn't the right article. Having "(comics)" and "(comic)" was unworkable and confusing (there were a handful of other articles linking to the wrong Enigma too) and hopefully that should help clarify things (why set indexes are such a handy thing - especially given companies fondness for using the same names for characters and titles). ( Emperor ( talk) 03:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC))
I saw this and rather than just adding it on to a few articles I thought I'd pass it on to you as a quick skim shows it has plenty of really good material that could be strip-mined for a number of articles (and it is only the first part too!!) and there was a lot you'd find useful. I'll be reading it when I have more time and extracting things that strike me but it is a whopper!! ( Emperor ( talk) 13:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC))
Hello, Ntnon. Please forgive my utter lack of familiarity re manipulating the net -- and Wikipedia especially. I'm a novice, and this was the only way I could figure out how to contact you (and I'm not even sure this will work). I received your note on what I guess is called my user talk page. Thank you for taking the time and effort to largely write up the entry on me, but it's so long. As Wikipedia notes, I'm a low-importance article. Do you really think the biblio has to be there? Also, I hate that photo! (Yeah, I'm old, but I'm female -- and there are better shots of me!) The interview quotes are pretty dated, and I'm less scathing in my opinions of other editors these days. Would you mind killing everything there but for the first sentence? And I don't know how to upload a new photo. If you receive this message and care to respond, please email me at dianas@darkhorse.com as I haven't the time or skill to learn how to work the WIki innards like this. In return I'd be willing to help with some of your work here (I know a lot about the comics biz in the '80s, for instance, as I was living it). Diana Schutz ( talk) 18:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Diana Schutz
Also despite what I said above Diana might be right about the credits being slightly overly detailed. I suppose the obvious place is the credits for the editor of collected volumes as the critical role is the editor of the initial comics - I'm not sure I'd add them to another editor's bibliography. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC))
Just a note to say I've added a couple of links that might be useful ( Diana Schutz#External links) and been through and given it a quick tweak. I've upgraded the class to a C and it looks to mainly be the awards that need referencing (and I'll have a crack at doing that myself). Before bumping it up to a B I'll do a more thorough run through and see if it needs anything else.
Thanks for the help and the notes left at the Comics Project. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I started a new section in the article "Character Attributes." The goal is to describe to similarities and/or differences between each of the Batgirl characters. Would you mind adding information from the sources you provided on the ComicsProject page? I feel uncomfortable adding information from a book I haven't read with my own eyes. I looked them up on google book search but they don't provide previews. Any help would be appreciated. Thnkayou. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I'm a new user and now feel a little silly piping in shortly after Diana Schutz about a Dark Horse topic, but I've been rereading Legend period comics lately and (since many of the characters' appearances were in each others' titles and disparate promotional works and anthologies) I've been using Wikipedia and other sources to piece together a chronology of a)their stories; and b)their publication.
I wasn't familiar with the editing process (in fact, I've created this registration mainly to notify somebody about this), but the Legend link from Art Adams' topic page has some confusing omissions: Paul Chadwick and Geoff Darrow. Their comic books are included in the list below (although "Big Guy & Rusty" could have been included out of deference to Miller), but only five artists are listed above. It would make more sense if someone working on the page included the artists but forgot one their numerous projects rather than the other way around.
Could someone have deleted them? What would be the point, if their comics titles are still listed? What I'm more curious about is why theimprint just sort of fizzled out, despite the fact that the artists not only continued to do work through Dark Horse without the Legend logo, but they continued to use the same characters in many cases. A link to an interview in Comics Journal or elsewhere could cover that and avoid redundancies, if such an explanation was ever made public. Anyway, a good point of citation for the list of original creators would simply be the editorial page appearing in October 1993 Dark Horse comic books. Most of the Legend artists also dominated the majority of a promotional comic that Dark Horse published for the San Diego Comic-con just two months before that editorial. The short, exclusive black-and-white stories would later appear, in color, in compilations of their respective characters under the Legend imprint. (In the case of Hellboy, at least, the Legend logo that appeared on the first printing of his paperback "Seed Of Destruction" has been dropped from later printings. Someone else would have to fact-check which printing is which.)
Finally, there is mention of other artists joining later. The only ones I've ever heard of were Jim Silke (of Rascals In Paradise) and Walt Simonson, who was meant to be a founder but had already committed himself to work on Malibu's fledgling Bravura imprint by the time Legend started to move from concept to planning stages. Bravura imploded before Simonson could finish his "Starslammers" series and the final issue was published as a Legend title. The sequel ran as a serial in Dark Horse Presents.
I could contribute more (or less) detail to an article since I've got the original artifacts kicking around somewhere, but the last programming language I studied was Fortran77 and the help pages, however polite, aren't a whole lot of help if I have to stop and look up the defintions of every third word whose definitions are all written in the same terminology. I can handle these talk pages; this just simulates the experience of e-mail. If I can be more help than nuisance, my own user name should, in theory, follow this entry.
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Cheers for expanding Simon Davis (comics) - it had niggled me for a while that no one had started an article on him and getting second prize in the BP competition needled me into getting t started but it was still a little bare bones and it looks a lot better now. The Red rag Gallery page was a great find - very useful and with a lot of piccies too. Now if only I could sneak into his work area and sneak that odd muddy greeny/blue colour from his palette I'd be the happiest boy in town.
There is a bit more on the BLAIR 1 run in TPO but it'd probably be better off in the relevant article. I am sure I have read somewhere that his run on Sinister Dexter was the definitive one but I may be extrapolating from the rest of the David Bishop quote I gave. Perhaps Dan Abnett has something on his blog I can use... I'm sure there is a way to add some bits about the reception to his art and keep it balanced. I'll do some more digging.
A quick aside - not sure if this interests you but it is an interview with Eddie Campbell. I'll drop it into his article later. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC))
They both look fine. I would adjust the layout on Laird so you have "Notes" (for the footnotes) and then "References" (for... well I think you get the point).
You can do the same with BMB - scooping up the three database links from somewhere like Sean Phillips#References (that is what I do -a quick copy and paste and you are away). As BMB has done computer games he'll also be listed in IMBD. But that is just the bog standard linkage I throw in when I have time, everything else seems fine. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC))
I don't think they are going to reprint every issue (at least I missed it if they said it) - that'd be a very bad idea as some of the stuff was pony when it was new and some won't have aged well, while others probably wouldn't make sense to a non-UK audience.
What I expect they'll do is allow Wagner the chance to produce an "Ultimate Dredd" (after I thought this I checked around and some are already using Ultimate Dredd, so if independent people are thinking it so must they) allowing him to build up the character without other people's additions and years of convoluted backstory and learning on the job.
They'd be wise to run an American print of the Case Files to bring everyone up to speed on the original (so Wagner isn't starting from square one) and then see how it goes.
They'll probably want to work some of the big properties in a similar way (Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper), which could allow Rebellion to leverage media developments on them.
I also wouldn't be surprised if they have an eye to grabbing things like stories by Grant Morrison (although possibly not Zenith) and Garth Ennis as they'll sell by the bucketload, as would Mark Millar's (even if the general fan opinion is/was that most of those stories were horrible). Just look at what DC have done with all of Alan Moore's Image output - even the dodgy stuff (I can't quite bring myself to buy Wild Worlds).
So that is my bet Big Name properties and stuff they can throw together that'll sell well no matter what the variable quality. ( Emperor ( talk) 03:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC))
I tend to add one of three classes to the header:
That is just my general rule of thumb for adding a quick rating, as B and above require you to go through a more intensive process (there is a checklist for getting it to B inbuilt). I'll also throw in a "low" importance rating unless I know enough about the topic to bump it up.
No rating is set in stone so if you think it deserves different importance or classes (and classes can go down as well as up) then anyone can edit them at any time, as it is a dynamic process (I suspect they are more likely to once something has been added) - although higher ratings will need increasing justification (the header should make that easy too). The important thing, as far as I'm concerned, is to attach it to a workgroup and flagging anything which needs doing. ( Emperor ( talk) 22:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC))
Hi, n. I hope you read my comments at Talk:Vertigo (DC Comics) before going to the request posted at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Vertigo (DC Comics). I do believe you're acting in good faith and with good intentions. Given the RfC commentary at the Vertigo talk page, I think Mediation can only help the article, and not hurt it. Couples go to marriage counseling, by way of example, because they want to work out issues amicably. I have a feeling we can air our issues and remain as amicable as we have been. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. The Archives p.223 cite was there when I got there, so, yeah, obviously, if I or a previous editor got that footnote wrong, do have at it. (I changed the name of it from "Archives 3.5" to "Archives223" since I thought something in the original phrasing was creating a cite-error tag. Turned out to be something else, but I didn't want to risk anything by changing them all back.)
To answer your question, I do have a large collection of Alter Ego and of the equally informative Comic Book Artist, plus a selection of Amazing Heroes, Write Now, and various others. I hesitate to say, but I began collecting comics in the 1960s (and writing them in the 1990s, but that's another story....) I imagine I'm one of the older Wikipedians, which ... can be interesting.
I went back just now and looked at the Dick Sprang article's "History" page, and yep, there you are! Nice work there, I must say -- you upgraded it, IMHO, from a few mere grafs to a genuine article.
And this will seem oddly coincidental, but I was adding something to my user page after working on Sprang, and noticed someone had created an article that I'd had on my "To do (and by all means feel free to do first!)" list, Whitney Ellsworth. Curious, I went to see, and lo and behold, there you were! I only gave it a quick read (it's 1:15 a.m. here) and I must compliment you, N. — your article structure and phrasing, your extensive referencing and your referencing style are all really, really close to my own. Assuming that's a good thing (!), I'm truly glad to see someone as intelligent and diligent as yourself creating and improving these biographical articles.
(There are at least a dozen particularly good regulars in WikiProject Comics — Doczilla; Emperor; Pepso/Pepso2; Hiding; ThuranX; BOZ; jc37; lately Asgardian, with whom I had an Arbitration that fell my way rather than his but whom I also now respect very much for his high encyclopedic standards and keen-eyed streamlining to the gist of things; and others I'm too sleepy to name off the bat.)
Let's please hold off on the "Marvel Age" thing until we work out Vertigo, and, hopefully, time-constrained as we are, collaborate as we've planned on a section about Jack Kirby's efforts to receive his artwork and credit from Marvel. I've pulled some AE issues out of storage, plus the generally OK Ronin Ro book Tales to Astonish, the trade-paper collected Kirby interviews from The Comics Journal, and Will Eisner's Shop Talk collection of interviews. Seriously, N., our head-butting at Vertigo aside, I think we have (as I've been saying) the same visions/goals/intentions, and could do, I am sure, some kick-ass collaborations. With hope for the future, -- Tenebrae ( talk) 05:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Just saw this on Mark Evenier's POV Online column (July 13, 2008). We probably would have run into it elsewhere, but this saves us the time to look: "One of the folks who asks a question of Bugliosi in the Q-and-A section is Steve Rohde, an attorney who's been a major champion of the First Amendment. He's a courageous man who has done much good for Freedom of Speech in this country...and he was the main lawyer who represented Jack Kirby in his famous dispute with Marvel Comics over the ownership of his original artwork." One more name to Google and maybe come up with interesting stuff, when we get to this. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 14:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
-- Gatoclass ( talk) 03:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
It seemed to be discussion, so I moved it to the talk page. I hope that's not a problem. Algebraist 17:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
A table might be clean and neat. It's easy enough to copy over the coding for one from, say, the simple table at Timely Comics.
I guess the main decision is whether to do it by year ( Shazam Award, Alley Award) or by category ( Eisner Award, Harvey Award). That would probably depend on the type and number of awards. If the names of the awards changed frequently, for example, a list by year might be the way to go.
Haven't forgotten about Kirby Kollaboration. Still looking forward to working on that with you on that once our favorite (joking) topic gets hashed out! :-) -- Tenebrae ( talk) 20:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. To answer your question: The points in the New Fun and Showcase captions are noted within the article. However, the Action Comics claim was not, and additionally the article Golden Age of Comics notes that historians differ on the first Golden Age comic. Ditto GL, with the caption actually at odds with article; if there's no agreement on the end of the Silver Age, it'd be hard to pinpoint the first Bronze Age title. Finally the Watchman claim also was not supported, and the relevant section is a wealth of uncited claims and POV; additionally, the article Modern Age of Comics has a "multiple issues" tag. Hope this helps. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 04:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
...on Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson. Great tracking down of a 20-some year old print source! Kudos! -- Tenebrae ( talk) 18:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I had originally just planned to point out my new entry on Dick Briefer, since I thought you'd appreciate it. Then I noticed the Mike Ploog revert.
And I am very, very disappointed in your citing Wikipedia:Citing IMDb in your edit summary when it says with a big red X at the top, "This proposal has failed to attain consensus within the Wikipedia community."
I don't know how old you are — very young, no more than in your 20s, I'd imagine — or what kind of professional training you have in research — and from all our conversations I'm thinking little if any, not counting self-taught — but I truly believe that like many people whose research background consists primarily of using the Internet, your credulousness, lack of skepticism, and erring on the side of laxness rather than stringency is more than troubling now that it's coupled with this beyond-the-pale attempt at citing a discredited page — with an anchor link, thinking no one would scroll up.
Writing for an encyclopedia requires even higher research standards than deadline journalism, which has high standards to begin with. In our many, many conversations, where I have spoken of my respect for your intellect, I have given so much of my time and professional expertise to practically give a tutorial on journalistic ethics. I can see now I've been wasting my breath, metaphorically speaking, in discussing ethics. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Well ... thanks.
I just now saw your July 16 posting with condolences about my mother's cancer. Don't know how I'd missed it. (Or, well, actually, it was probably because my mind was elsewhere.) So, thank you for that as well.
Still, let's hold off more debate for awhile unless it's some edit that can't wait. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 21:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd throw this one over - I seemed to have missed this when it was created (despite being on my watchlist) but saw it get PRODed so I've expanded it and removed the PROD but it needs more work. I haven't read it (although it sounds up my alley) and now I see it has been cancelled. I'll dig out the sales figures as they were rather poor (I've seen 6,000 mentioned which can't be breaking even). ( Emperor ( talk) 15:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC))
I know you took an interest in the Teen Titans article and wanted to run this one past you. Terror Titans got a big thumbs down recently (understandably as they only appeared in five issues [7]). Pretty bad timing as it has been announced they are getting their own mini-series and the interviews have already started [8]. I would have started an article but having been so recently deleted it does make me a bit wary. So thoughts? Start now or wait?
It would also tie in (and help bulk out) the rather skimpy The Dark Side Club. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC))
I've had this link knocking around for a bit and thought it was up your alley [9]. I've added a quick note in at Harry N. Abrams, Inc. but it might be something we'd want to return to in the future and I'll keep an eye out for more news on this front. ( Emperor ( talk) 00:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC))
I was just looking for advice on where to stick something - never a good question to ask anyone, but the structure of the Vertigo page means I'm not 100% sure where it should go. I just added Vertigo (DC Comics)#Vertigo Crime, which was fairly simple but I was going to add something on the Vertigo Encyclopedia [10] and was stumped on where was the best place for it. Possibly in a further reading section? Sounds like an impressive effort although I'm unsure if it is a little too broad a topic to have the kind of depth we might need to provide lots of useful references (but it might have some handy nuggets that could be used). ( Emperor ( talk) 02:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC))
Looks like the category will be deleted (I was surprised it wasn't last time) and I had been noddling away on User:Emperor/Sandbox/List of 2000 AD creators and was wondering if you'd be interested in chipping in so I can get it finished. Looking down it I'd want to take the focus off the list and putting it into 3 columns might do the trick. Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 17:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC))
Well I was going to be a smartie pants and do a little sleight of hand and conjure up a cached version of his page but, for reasons which desert me, I never edited that page and no one else added the link. However, my web fu is strong and the link was easy enough to guess so I have done it despite the odds being against me. soooooooooo:
FIRST CREDIT IN 2000AD
Judge Anderson
Triad 10 episodes (Progs 635 to 644) 50 pages
Script: Alan Grant, Artist: Arthur Ranson
Featuring: Orlok the Assassin
and:
FIRST CREDIT IN THE MEGAZINE
Judge Anderson
Reasons to Be Cheerful 2 episodes (Megs 2.10 to 2.11) 12 pages
Script: Alan Grant, Artist: Arthur Ranson (1) and Siku (2)
So 635 was cover dated 15th July, 1989 and Megazine 2.10 (how I hate the old numbering system) was cover dated 5th September, 1992.
Which is pretty definitive. as you can see Hewlett didn't appear in that issue (so it wasn't just badly worded and I can't explain that comment - you can always email David and check). Looking at 614 you can see the Future Shock in that issue was drawn by Kev Walker and that Jamie Hewlett appeared in two stories (including 1 Dredd) - impressive start, pity we never heard any more from him ;)
I am led to believe that the database will be back at some point in the future - fingers crossed. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC))
Ah ha!! Well done on finding where the system grinds to a halt. We now have an aliases infobox for pages that deal with a lot of characters of the same name but this....? It might normally be solved with a split but there isn't enough material and there appears to be no connection between the two. I'd say drop one in for the Marvel one in the appropriate section and a note on the talk page about it. Might also be worth throwing it into the Comics Project talk page and letting folks thrash that one out. I'm not sure there is a simple fix there I'm afraid. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC))
I'll be glad to take a look and offer what suggestions I can, sometime tonight. I've been wanting to see Goldwater in for some time now; I'm happy to see someone create that.
Thank you for asking after me. My mother grows graver with the cancer, and my wife has just lost her more than decade-long job at a prestigious magazine, following a mega-merger. It's true, I haven't had much energy for Wikipedia lately. I did some catch-up, mostly inspired by my having purchased the extraordinary new Blake Bell biography of Steve Ditko. I'm at work now; I'll try to get back in here tonight. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again for your kind thoughts during this time. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 22:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I think it looks really good, really solid. The only edits I would suggest are mostly technical/formatting in nature — primarily, I would paraphrase cited points except for cases of ambiguity or possible controversy, in which case I would (sparingly) use verbatim quotes from article-writers. I would also use the "Early life and career" subhead as the first subset of "Biography". But the writing style and tone are very good — neutral, but a narrative, with interesting, telling details. I'd adjust the odd phrase here and there for flow and clarity, but as I said, that's just technical polish.
"John L. Goldwater" seems to be the most common way he's referred to in press and such, like "Edward G. Robinson", so I would agree with you on that title formulation.
I somehow managed to drag a very basic Harry Sahle article out of myself yesterday. I need to add some print sources before posting it as a new article on the Noticeboard.
Now off to help somehow who asked for some informal mediation on Thanos.... Hang in there. Stay well. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for the added info/corrections. Jump in today if you can/want and tidy up, since I'm at work and can't get to it till later. I was rushing the Sahle piece, since I was doing it as take-my-mind-off-things therapy when I really didn't have the time to write up a new article, and clearly it shows. I really do appreciate your help on the clean-up and confirmations.
On a lighter note, I know you didn't mean to call using the Social Security Death Index a "trick"!
Stay well. Talk to you soon. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
"In 1940, he co-created the Timely character the Black Widow with writer George Kapitan, comics' first costumed, superpowered female protagonist."
is calling George Kapitan "comics' first costumed, superpowered female protagonist." Strunk & White talk about this somewhere. But as I said, that's just a grammatical thing. The new and corrected information itself is all very good.
One other very important thing: We can't include forum postings, per WP:SPS. -- Tenebrae ( talk)
Dear Ntnon...You are invited to come back to discuss WikiProject Media franchises. Since you participated in one or more discussions of the project, possibly when it was known as WikiProject Fictional series, I hope to see you return to it. The project needs your participation. Currently there is no activity on the project's talk page about the reorganization which is discouraging. I had great expectations for this project as it touches so many topics but am becoming discouraged. I hope to see you return. LA @ 19:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Excellent find - really great stuff!! I love Kevin O'Neill's work so it is always great to find out that there may be more of it coming soon. I bought Marshal Law trade when it came out and it has been so heavily re-read that it looks like I've made a decent stab at eating it (it was the late eighties/early nineties so anything is possible). Tonnes of good stuff, and The Bojeffries Saga? That has come rather out of the blue (or I missed previous mentions) and I'd love to hear more (no pun intended). I suppose if they have printed a million new Watchmen volumes and it is top of the sales charts (20,000 sold through Diamond alone in just July) then he is free from financial concerns and can focus on projects he really wants to do, I'd never have guessed about returning to that one, but why not? The article needs work and God knows what infobox to use (queried here). I'll start to look into this more.
It is interesting what they say about Mills and superheroes there as I'm sure I've read elsewhere that he actually dislikes superheroes (as does Garth Ennis) which allows him to really explore this area. I might see what I can extract for Marshal Law (comics) as it needs some work - I wonder if we can just move that issue #4 cover up to the infobox? I do wonder if the infobox needs changing to be a character infobox as the current one isn't really covering the topic. I'll ponder on this - I'm off at a family wedding at the weekend so won't be able to do much until next week anyway.
Looking at Kevin O'Neill (comics), it should be possible to source quite a bit of that and expand on it (it doesn't mention that he was the art editor) and I'll also look at that, as it'll go hand in hand with Marshall Law. ( Emperor ( talk) 14:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC))
Here is another Alan Moore interview - not much extra information although I am pleased to see there is a DVD of Mindscape coming out.
Good stuff - thanks for that. I'll have a read through the Warrior ones I have here and see if anything presents itself.
The image you link to is actually the proposed cover of Terror Tomes #1. As I mentioned above you can fiddle the image URL to get the images (actually I'll do this for the lot and drop the links into the talk page as it might be of some use to someone. So the version from Newsarama (which is similar to that but with all the lettering) is here. I am not sure about using unpublished (but solicited) images - J Greb is seeking clarification here.
One thing I've not seen anything on - what happened to Atomeka? They clearly had that comic finished and ready to roll with other material in for future issues but then... nothing. Considering the talent you'd think they could have teamed up with someone who could have covered printing and distribution. Seems very odd that it just seemed to evaporate. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC))
I agree - I have flagged some others I think need including as well as ones I am concerned about. There is a BIG problem with Gaiman/McFarlane/Spawn and I don't think we can let that be set in stone like that. I'll run it past the discussion but I think, as they need to be on the disc, I'll have to invoke WP:BLP and remove that material to the talk page until someone can source them.
Frank Hampson is certainly one I feel should be there but the article isn't great and lacks references (and a picture - given the fact he is no longer with us the bar is lower on getting a picture so it should be doable). That is a pretty good list and chimes with my concerns raised on the talk page - it is a crude algorithm that doesn't really take into account what is actually significant: I mean could we really end up with half a dozen Batman villains and no Eagle (comic book)? So I'd say post those suggestions there and we'll try and thrash it out.
I also agree that some are pretty (piss?) poor. I have suggested splitting off publication lists to their own article but if you did that on Dark Horse Comics you'd end up with stub. It might be that the titles are stifling the article and we need to do this (like excising a parasitic twin) but that is only going to have long-term benefits and short-term it isn't going to look pretty (not a big deal if this 0.7 wasn't looming). I think it would benefit Image Comics, and my previous suggestion of splitting off the Hellboy spin-offs to "Hellboy franchise" would really help that article too - so I might get the ball rolling there.
I suppose we also have to accept that some articles that are significant aren't going to be that great and that we are just going to have to do our best with what we have. It does make me wonder if we should make a list of say 100 articles that should be as good as we can make it.
On a slight sidenote I was just looking at Hellblazer and it is pretty poor, when it should be one of our best articles. I suspect using the trade template and a decent publication history we could remove all of those long lists of creators (which you don't see in other long-running titles - the important information should be in the main body of the text. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC))
You've probably seen this but it seemed relevant:
Steve Bissette: added "on a related topic, be sure to check out the chapters on Marvelman/Miracleman and Medieval Spawn & Angela in the upcoming "PRINCE OF STORIES: THE MANY WORLDS OF NEIL GAIMAN" (November from St. Martin's Press) for the most comprehensive and current coverage I could muster on both situations."
LitG obviously ( ISBN 0312387652) I wonder if we can get them to send you a copy!!! Also don't check out the Alan Moore yaoi - proof if we needed it that it is a funny old world!! ( Emperor ( talk) 22:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC))
I did some digging and added some more links User:Emperor/News_trawl#Hellblazer, although most are actually in the Delano article so nothing new. What he says there is that (also coming from Northampton) Alan Moore got him his break in comics by helping him through the door at Marvel UK, he does seem to have followed in his footsteps from Night Raven to Captain Britain, to DR & Quinch to Hellblazer but he doesn't say it was down to Moore. in two interviews he says similar things - he was pitching Vertigo an idea and so when they were looking for a British writer to do something with the popular Constantine character he was on their mind, they asked him to pitch some ideas, he did and they accepted the offer. I am not sure how much of an influence Moore had on Delano getting the Constantine gig which (barring other sources emerging) means the person who wrote it might not have known or was getting it mixed up with the earlier influence from Moore (that said I was always suspicious about the way the whole article was parachuted in by an anon IP - although from the interviews it doesn't seem like Delano is the type to be that bothered so I suspect it is a fan). There is some good material in those interviews and I'll extract bits and bobs.
Tricky call on the title/character business - I'd go with the character for now as it doesn't seem as bad as the title. ( Emperor ( talk) 00:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC))
Nice job tracking down his DOB and other details! What I would love to know is how Akin & Garvey hooked up, and how they divided duties. Like did Akin ink figures and Garvey backgrounds? I remember wondering this way back when when they broke into the mainstream... Also, do we know for sure that Akin & Garvey are American? For some reason, I had a sense they were British... Anyway, again, great expansions! — Stoshmaster ( talk) 13:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that - it helped resolve things quickly.
The only comics-related one left is: George Khoury (author). Just saying... ( Emperor ( talk) 03:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
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Could you transfer the material and sources you added to Watchmen to the temp page mentioned in the Featured Article Review? It would make things much easier, since the ultimate plan to to rework the article in that temp and then copy and paste the material into the main article when it's finished. Also, would those Comics Journal articles have information on sales or the publication delays I've heard about, or this news I keep hearing that the story is supposed to to change ownership from DC to Moore and Gibbons when it's no longer in print? Thanks. WesleyDodds ( talk) 02:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Veidt's ability to catch a bullet isn't portrayed as a superpower. It's portrayed as this really awesome physical feat he can do due to his training. Think Batman, hence the phrasing "obvious superpowers". I really doubt that article on comic book registration acts should even exist; aside from that, I see no reason to direct the reader to another page to read about something in Watchmen when they should get what they need in the main Watchmen article. Finally, the fake alien invasion needs to be mentioned for simple context. In one paragraph the synopsis says Veidt has a plan, then in the next paragraph it's been enacted. The reader would quite rightly ask, "Wait, what was the plan?" It's one of those simple things that's obvious to people familiar with the story, but it's very necessary for people who aren't familiar to understand it. Given it can be explained quite succinctly ("Veidt's plan involves faking an alien invasion in order to get the US and USSR to stop fighting"), there's no reason to exclude it. WesleyDodds ( talk) 01:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
As for the Composition and Themes sections, I'm basically dismantling them and rebuilding them in a more orderly fashion. Even after I removed all the unreliable sources, there's still plenty to work with (plus all the material you, me, and Hiding have been unearthing), but the structure from the original article is lackluster. WesleyDodds ( talk) 00:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
You can't use that Comics Journal cover because it's not discussed in the article, and is not direclty related to the subject. I want to use an image of one of the story pages to show the symbols and nine-panel grid system, but haven't decided on one yet. But the Comcs Journal cover does not belong. WesleyDodds ( talk) 22:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
In connection with the release of the encyclopaedia [16].
While on Vertigo I am collecting together resources to start the Greatest Hits article on my news trawl. CBR are running an introduction to the characters so when the last two are published I'll start the article - if you've spotted anything useful then drop it on in and I'll scoop it up. Reviews have been a bit varied but I'll probably pick up the trade eventually, unless issue #2 turns a corner and it becomes a must read, I suppose.
While nosing around the Forbidden Planet blog I found an overview/review of Paul Gravett's next one [17] - sounds right up my alley. I just wonder if Santa is going to be able to get everything I want down the chimney!! ( Emperor ( talk) 23:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC))
Just a note to ask if you are aware that the person involved in the Talk:Alan Moore is highly more than likely to be a new sock of User:ColScott, who posted this about us in May? I'm looking at the history right now and will submit it when I'm sure. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 07:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I wish you luck as well. I'm all for giving people second chances, but somewhere around the thirtysecond chance I lose patience. - JasonAQuest ( talk) 20:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Could you cast an eye over Michael Bair? No rush it was just that, as discussed in the AfD, I expanded it to demonstrate his notability and did it all in one go (based on the things I'd found to support my keep suggestion) so I was rather loosing interest (the will to live?) towards the end and feel it could do with a quick once-over just to make sure it reads OK. As I say, no rush - it isn't going anywhere but I thought I'd flag it as in need of a read through at some point. Cheers. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC))
Some further discussion here. Thought I'd drop you a note as you pitched in some ideas in the earlier discussion. ( Emperor ( talk) 00:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC))
Not sure if you are interested but I got the ball rolling on The Big Book of. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC))
You are always welcome to ask but (as far as I can tell) I don't have either. There have been some interesting surprises when I've gone digging but I'd doubt there are any left along those lines (although I will go and kick a few boxes but I'm not holding my breath). Sorry. ( Emperor ( talk) 20:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC))
OK I have started a (long-overdue) discussion on getting a list of resources together: WT:CMC#Resources list. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC))
Seems that while they are working on it the database is living here, if you need to look anything up. Seems to be fairly up to date. ( Emperor ( talk) 19:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC))
Hi. Can you read this section and then offer your opinion on the points raised? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 14:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Interesting question - which should give you a clue that I don't know. Have you checked Thrill Power Overload? I can't think of any obvious connection as he was long past being editor of the title. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC))
Moore and Gibbons had worked together before on a number of one-off Future Shocks. Although Gibbons had effectively started working full-time at DC, Richard Burton, the Assistant Editor of 2000 AD at the time and an old friend of Gibbons' from comic fandom, would still send him one-off scripts all of which were written by Moore. They both flag the last of these stories, "Chronocops" as being key to their later work. Gibbons recalls "it was an early taste of the self-referential, very involved things, Alan would get me working on in Watchmen" (TPO, page 96) and in the introduction to the Titan Books collection of the stories Moore said the story "marked the first time I realised Dave Gibbons was prepared to draw whatever absurd amount of detail I could ask for, however ludicrous an impractical. This in fact served me well in later life".(TPO, page 95)
Alan Moore loves the Watchmen film (in 1987). ( Emperor ( talk) 02:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC))
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Generally red links are covered by WP:REDLINK (i.e. include them if there is the possibility the article might possibily be created) but WP:MOSDAB is a lot stricter and generally says you can't have red links there which is a pity. That said I add them to disambiguation pages and they often don't get removed, worse are multiple links per item and should be trimmed back. That said the page is a WP:SETINDEX which allows more flexibility in formatting and red links are fine - the editor had just misunderstood what the page was so applied MOSDAB more strictly than should have been done. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC))
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Does this seem reasonable? I'd assume the lack of feedback meant no one really cares that much but I want to avoid doing it and then finding the problem. ( Emperor ( talk) 12:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC))
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Thanks for the note. It is fairly mysterious - they clearly have some kind of "plan" as the edits are consistent but they refuse to explain what it is and you'd have to assume it is some kind of opinion/agenda they have about what should and shouldn't count. Hell they may even be right but they'd need to demonstrate it somewhere along the line and just editing away is only going to get you banned. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC))
How goes in, N.? As promised, finally, I'm drafting a section on the Marvel/Kirby art controversy. Here's my initial draft (with a couple items to be filled-in yet) of the background and the early stages. Given both the labyrinthine intricacies of copyright law and the justifiable passion of this David & Goliath situation, I've attempted to keep things as plain and simple as possible for the first issue, and as blandly neutral as possible for the second. Comments welcome.
I can tell you right off that we need to diversity the sourcing; I'm using three books that were immediately handy, but we need contemporaneous magazine and other press accounts as well or in place of what's here.
Here 'tis...
From comic books' inception, publishers typically retained artists' original artwork, either storing it or destroying it, [1] though occasionally returning particular pages to artists making specific requests. citation needed In a nod to changing times, DC Comics, as early as 1973, [2] and the newly formed Atlas/Seaboard Comics, in 1974, began routinely returning new original artwork. When the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976, effective January 1, 1978, codified "that freelancers could now claim copyrights on anything created before that year" unless they signed a work-for-hire agreement, [3] DC in 1978 began offering contracts affirming freelancers the right to the return and ownership of artwork. Marvel Comics began returning new original art in 1976, requiring artists to sign an approximately four-line rights-release, replaced by a one-page form in 1979. [2]
Kirby's Marvel artwork, beginning with his mid-1970s return to the company, was, like that of other artists, routinely returned. [1] However, Marvel did not offer Kirby a freelancer contract until August 1984, [4] when Kirby received a four-page agreement exclusive to him. [5] This document offered "a gift" of only the "physical custody" of 88 pages of original art [5] out of more than 8,000 Kirby had produced between 1960 and 1970. [2] While the one-page form offered to other freelancers confirmed their ownership of their artwork, [2] Kirby's form provided "nothing more than the right to store the art on behalf of Marvel. Though it would be in his possession, there was nothing that Kirby would be allowed to do with it", [2] as the form specified that the artwork could not be sold or otherwise commercially exploited; could not be publicly displayed without Marvel's written permission; and must be accessible to Marvel to copy. [5] Further, it forbid Kirby to claim any other of his thousands of unreturned pages in Marvel's possession. [5]
Kirby attempted to negotiate with Marvel editor-in-chief Jim Shooter, who responded with a January 25, 1985, letter reiterating Marvel's demand that Kirby sign the complete agreement as written. [4] The issue became public that summer in the magazine The Comics Journal #___ (month 1985), which launched a nearly year-long editorial crusade advocating the full-ownership return of Kirby's art. Together with discussion at comic-book fan convention panels; a pro-Kirby petition signed by approximately 150 industry professionals and published in The Comics Journal #105 (Feb. 1986); and, in that same issue, a November 19, 1985, open letter to Marvel from DC publisher Jenette Kahn and editors Dick Giordano and Paul Levitz castigating Marvel, "Shooter and Marvel found themselves in the middle of the worst public relations disaster in the company's history". [4]
Marvel increased the number of pages it offered to return, first to 800, then 1700, and the four-page agreement became three agreements, with modifications. [6] On June 16, 1987, Kirby signed the final document giving up any copyright claims in exchange for return of his artwork. [6] Marvel refused to pay the $800 insurance cost of shipping "what the company says remained of Kirby's drawings — about one-sixth of his work", which arrived the last week of June and consisted of "300 [pre-superhero] monster pages, 300 Westerns, two dozen covers, some Fantastic Four, no X-Men, and just a handful of Hulk and Sgt. Fury pages". [6]
-- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Just thought you might be interested [20] ( Emperor ( talk) 02:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC))
I have been trying to track down better details for his death and I was wondering if you have Comics International? I believe the may 2005 issue #185, has a tribute to him, which could provide much needed background. ( Emperor ( talk) 22:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC))
Where did you get the information that Paul Smith created this series? I can't find any references for that - but then again, I can't find any mention of anyone else "creating" it either (apart from one document that credits Dawn French, but that could be lazy writing). I'd be interested to know, as I'm cleaning up the IMDb credits for that show, and he doesn't seem to get an on-screen "created by" credit, apart from the 4 episodes he wrote. Cheers — sjorford ++ 17:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
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Looking through the list:
And Happy Xmas and a Spiffing New Year - I've got quite a bit on and might be a bit scarce around here over the holidays, so might as well throw it in now ;) ( Emperor ( talk) 23:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC))
I wonder if you'd be interested in helping improve Jean-Marc Lofficier. I've had a word with him and we've refocused the article so the biography reads like a biography but he has helpfully provided the biography and I'm sure the COI pixies would just love to tag it so I was going to rewrite it and ping ponging the article back and forth (like Michael Bair and Antony Johnston) worked well, resulting in some respectably solid articles, if I must say so myself ;) I'll start drawing together resources and fiddling with it. I'm also planning a rewrite of another article but need to get back up to speed with that as I've been busy. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC))
Good to see you pitching in on Alex Raymond! Hope you're having a good start to the New Year. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. Regarding your on the List of Handel's compositions page, please see the note I've raised on the talk page. Thanks. HWV258 22:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. I copied your comment to the talk page of the article; that's normally the place to discuss Signpost articles. Cheers!-- ragesoss ( talk) 02:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Thought you might be interested in this: [22] and [23]. As well as being a giant book on Marvel's UK comics (which needed!!!) it is also the first venture from Dez Skinn "The book will apparently be published in hardback and as 'A Quality Guide' - the first in a new imprint of books from Dez Skinn's long-running publishing company" which sounds like it could be an interesting line of books. Also in the second link he asks if anyone can help out with the images - I'm checking what I can provide (nothing so far) but you are probably a better bet for such things, although whether you have access to it is another matter ;) Hope you're keeping well. ( Emperor ( talk))
I've asked for some fresh sets of eyes on this and then we'll try for GA status. As you've done the lion's share of the work I thought I'd let you know in case there is anything else you want to add and just so you know. ( Emperor ( talk) 20:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC))
Hi. Could you offer your opinion on the consensus discussion here? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 05:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
If not, I have a request (a task) for you if you'd be willing to help : ) - jc37 00:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Fairly busy yes, but ask away anyway. :o) I could probably find time if need be...! Things have been utterly, utterly frantic and packed; now my time is just 'full'. So it's improved. <small(I think...) ntnon ( talk) 22:11, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Dear Ntnon...You were at one time helping WikiProject Media franchises figure out where it was going to go and what it would cover. About five months ago, I left suddenly and without explination; and in my absense the WikiProject came to a complete standstill. I am now wondering if the project is sustainable and worthwhile to try to revive and continue with the work started there. If you would be interested in coming back to the table to discuss it, that would be great. We were just getting to a point where things were coming together when I had to leave to cool off from a particularly heated discussion that was upsetting me. I had hoped that the project would have moved forward without me, but it did not; but I am hioping to bring it back.
Please stop by if you are still interested. I look forward to seeing you there and seeing if we can pick up where we left off. LA If you reply here, please leave me a {{ Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 04:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you see if you could help out in the discussion regarding Rorschach's Journal? See Talk:Watchmen#Should Rorschach's journal be mentioned in the Plot Summary of The Watchmen?. Hiding T 11:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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You wouldn't happen to have anything useful on the company that I can use? They are back publishing again and publishing Razorjack and Cla$$war in the next couple of months and this is already generating quite some interest [24] and there should be enough by the time they launch to start articles on both (although I might have to ask Santa for those, as somehow my wishlist is growing longer by the day ;) ) but something on the company would be a little thin at the moment so I thought I'd ask. Their blog is tracking the news about them so I should be able to pick up more information from there too. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC))
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Thanks for the notes - they are shaping up nicely already. I've decided to have a couple of projects on the go, Com.x and Cla$$war should be pretty much boxed off soon and I'll return to a couple of rewrites I was working on. When I get a good start on them I'll throw you the links as I always appreciate a second set of eyes :)
Also a couple of other things:
Interesting stuff. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC))
Looks like this might be resolving itself. Moore has made pretty definitive statements here and I think a lot of the creators are now getting behind the idea of Mick Anglo getting the proceeds from any reprints. There is a summary of progress so far here (although based on those interviews). So fingers crossed. I have never seen the Warrior material recoloured, as shown in that last link and I think I'd rather it were in B&W if that is what it will look like. So of all those that could be reprinted this is moving to the top of the list. Next... Zenith. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC))
Nice expansion of the Weisinger article! Fascinating character, him... -- stoshmaster ( talk) 03:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey Ntnon, I noticed your work on the Alex Raymond article, so this to invite you to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Al_Williamson/archive1
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Hi. Can you join this discussion in order to offer us your thoughts? It would be most appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 06:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
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"True, to a point, but the image is one of several from AWoDC illustrating the people-behind-the-fanzine - so it does show that turning point, since it is a caricature produced to illustrate the man recently put to work at DC." But there is nothing in that illustration that shows any of that to the reader. No one looking at that image will see, "Oh, it's of a guy at a turning point who's recent been put in charge of..." It just shows a caricature. Nothing more.
"I understand that a photograph would be better - and I'm seeking one - and I agree that a contextualised caricature might be better, but I fail to see why is automatically better. Would it be more acceptable as an illustration of his career turning point if I left the text in describing him? To contextualise the image?" A photograph is a more realistic representation of something with less room for subjectivity. A caricature, by its very nature is not, and text will not change the fact that the caricature does not describe what you insist it does. You may have personal knowledge of that background behind that image, but that doesn't mean that this is self-explanatorily illustrated by that image to someone looking at it. Using your reasoning, I should upload one of the caricatures I made of Sam Viviano when I studied under him in art school, because it illustrates that important point in his life when he was teaching at the School of Visual Arts, which is mentioned in his article, but lacks an image. But in truth, this would not be justified, and would come across as me trying to shoehorning an image into an article.
"That can be easily fixed - but is there any point, though..?!" That was the point. :-) Nightscream ( talk) 02:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
So let me get this straight.......you've been insisting that a floating head caricature without any background conveys all sorts of things about its production, only if it's included in an article with an explanatory caption, but now you're arguing that no one will know that AA is a TV program, even though it says so in the section to which that title is a heading???
Seriously, though, the title is italicized, which indicates this to readers, as does the capitalization of the title (as only the first word and proper nouns can be capitalized in section headings). The reader can then read all about it in that section. It seems odd to argue that that title will imply Ayre claimed abduction, since even a reader reacting that way when seeing the heading will then be intrigued enough to read the section, which clarifies it.
Regarding the quotes, point taken. Looking over the section, though, it had way too many quotes, where simple paraphrases would suffice. As for his nationality, Canadian English accepts both spellings. Nightscream ( talk) 01:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm hesitant, simply because I think Darius is a self-promoter of dubious at best quality in his scholarship. There are tons of good sources on Vertigo material - is the information really not sourceable to something better than seqart? Phil Sandifer ( talk) 18:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Ntnon, and welcome again. You are very likely to get in touch with some other Wikipedians very soon for the picture you just uploaded for People Like Us. Copyright problems, you know. Good idea to write about the series. Looking forward to reading your contributions, -- KF 15:08 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Erg. Copyright I thought would bo OK on that.. seeing as how the BBC website said it was OK to use it in promotional repects or something... Hmm.
Ah nuts. I presume you're sure..?! I did think quite hard about it... but I can't find any other public domain images, and I thought this would easily be covered by the disclaimers on the BBC site - http://www.bbcprograms.com/pbs/catalog/peoplelikeus/peoplephoto.htm - 'may be used for publicity purposes..' (Although that would explain why the picture keeps vanishing...!)
OK.. how about this.. Can I upload a logo for DC Comics...? Or anything that will promote the parties involved...?
Righty-ho! I'll e-mail the BBC, then... and cross my fingers. You'd think that any publicity would be a good thing, really...
(What about TV stills? Fully creditted things..?!) :o) Oh, and track-listings, or transcriptions of sketches..? Presumably the former, not the latter..?
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Done. :o) Greyhound Adoption Agency requirements are factual. Speed, agility, unsound recall, lack of road sense and prey drive are factual. Copious references throughout from multiple adoption agencies' websites - the best sources for facts on Greyhounds-as-pets. I will add footnotes from print sources when I can gain access to them. ntnon ( talk) 14:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the hard work. I've recently across a number of entries that you've greatly expanded and improved. Keep up the good work. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC))
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You are welcome to leave your own comments there - although the best option is to add some sources that prove notability ;) ( Emperor ( talk) 20:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC))
Well that shows how observant I am!! I hadn't linked "you" with "comics you" and... never mind. ;) Yes if there is anything I can fish out then let me know. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC))
I thought I may as well give you some more reading - a couple of thoughts I had that sank like a stone:
That's it for now. ( Emperor ( talk) 14:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC))
Given your interest in Alan Moore I thought I'd throw in a suggestion for a new article: Antony Johnston, he has done a lot of comic work [2] (see also the what links here) as well as the adaptations of Moore's work. I keep meaning to get around to it but other things keep intruding and while it was on my mind I thought I'd throw it over to you. No worries if you aren't interested but it struck me as being up your alley. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC))
We genuinely don't need it and it will only make the situation more confusing than it already is - see my comments on the talk page [4]. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC))
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While policy allows for reverting edits by sock puppets, regardless of the quality, in this case, looking at what was removed and what sourced it, I'd say that a reliable source for the material would be required. It's a distinct possibility that Murphy removed the material that sourced the statements, which he is wont to do. In any case, yes, a source would be necessary, per WP:BLP. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
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I suspect we may disagree on whom should be in the Major Villains list, but we can deal with that at a later date. ;o) Since I don't want to wind up in an edit conflict with you, I'm working on this page offline at the moment, but have one correction and two suggestions:
I'll leave it there until you're done, and then (no doubt) politely disagree with some of it! :o) ntnon ( talk) 00:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
This is basically how I think it ought to be laid out. Costume/No costume; MAJOR, Gallery, also-ran. (N.B. I like that "Gallery" label, too. :o)) ntnon ( talk) 01:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Joe Chill became the first real "Batman Villain" when he shot the Waynes and started Bruce down his path of vigilanteism. Joker kicked off the recurrent villains, with Catwoman hot on his tail, and Penguin following soon thereafter. Zucco caused the Graysons to fall to their death, inadvertantly setting in motion the appearance of Robin, the Boy Wonder. DA Harvey Dent was attacked by Moroni, flipped and became Two-Face who would prove important to the evolution of Robin. Killer Moth was the first Villain to be encountered by early Batgirl, (and then the Joker shot Barbara, creating Oracle), while the third Robin had early run-ins with Killer Snake. During the Knightfall saga, Bane set free the inmates of Arkham Asylum <NOTE - is Arkham even linked to here? Should be. As should Blackgate.>, and hounded Batman into exhaustion before breaking him. | ” |
..i.e. covering some of the major plot beats in Bat-villain history, mentioning major villains, etc. That's what I'd prefer to see - and as a lead-in, rather than a subsection.
The key here is that, while you and I may know that, the page (or at least where it stood before I started refactoring) really was just a list of names. There is no way the average person who knows little to nothing about the characters would be able to sift through and discover that Two-Face (for example) is one of the most important/notorious villains. The page should give the characters "weight" to each other (and to Batman et al) in relation to the Bat universe chronology, and also give a sense of that chronology. A list of names is not much more than a navbox with a synopsis. This page should be more than that.
And we can do it through sections of prose, and section header leadins as well.
One thing to keep in mind is that this is Wikipedia. And no matter what we may do, this will become "mercilessly edited". So I think it's better to build a solid framework for the page which can grow (chronology, prose sections, notability weight, etc.) than just have a couple lists of names which ends up being a POV mess (as it was).
I moved the discussion concerning the template issues (such as character inclusion) to its talk page to hopefully reduce confusion of others, and am continuing that discussion there. - jc37 02:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I've started a discussion here. Can you participate? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 14:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Per user:Wildhartlivie, I've blocked User:TuppenceABag as a sock of banned user. Per [WP:BAN]], that user's edits may be reverted regardless of their merits. Since you're more familiar with the article, I'll leave it to you to decide what to revert. I'd urge care, as some parts may not be worth retaining. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, isn't that special? I'm not entirely thrilled to be a target of his. But it confirms that it was him. I didn't get him banned for removing things, I reported that a banned user was using a sock puppet account after being banned. Nice. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 02:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
-- Bedford 23:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
No worries. It confused the Hell out of me as I sure it wasn't the right article. Having "(comics)" and "(comic)" was unworkable and confusing (there were a handful of other articles linking to the wrong Enigma too) and hopefully that should help clarify things (why set indexes are such a handy thing - especially given companies fondness for using the same names for characters and titles). ( Emperor ( talk) 03:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC))
I saw this and rather than just adding it on to a few articles I thought I'd pass it on to you as a quick skim shows it has plenty of really good material that could be strip-mined for a number of articles (and it is only the first part too!!) and there was a lot you'd find useful. I'll be reading it when I have more time and extracting things that strike me but it is a whopper!! ( Emperor ( talk) 13:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC))
Hello, Ntnon. Please forgive my utter lack of familiarity re manipulating the net -- and Wikipedia especially. I'm a novice, and this was the only way I could figure out how to contact you (and I'm not even sure this will work). I received your note on what I guess is called my user talk page. Thank you for taking the time and effort to largely write up the entry on me, but it's so long. As Wikipedia notes, I'm a low-importance article. Do you really think the biblio has to be there? Also, I hate that photo! (Yeah, I'm old, but I'm female -- and there are better shots of me!) The interview quotes are pretty dated, and I'm less scathing in my opinions of other editors these days. Would you mind killing everything there but for the first sentence? And I don't know how to upload a new photo. If you receive this message and care to respond, please email me at dianas@darkhorse.com as I haven't the time or skill to learn how to work the WIki innards like this. In return I'd be willing to help with some of your work here (I know a lot about the comics biz in the '80s, for instance, as I was living it). Diana Schutz ( talk) 18:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Diana Schutz
Also despite what I said above Diana might be right about the credits being slightly overly detailed. I suppose the obvious place is the credits for the editor of collected volumes as the critical role is the editor of the initial comics - I'm not sure I'd add them to another editor's bibliography. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC))
Just a note to say I've added a couple of links that might be useful ( Diana Schutz#External links) and been through and given it a quick tweak. I've upgraded the class to a C and it looks to mainly be the awards that need referencing (and I'll have a crack at doing that myself). Before bumping it up to a B I'll do a more thorough run through and see if it needs anything else.
Thanks for the help and the notes left at the Comics Project. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I started a new section in the article "Character Attributes." The goal is to describe to similarities and/or differences between each of the Batgirl characters. Would you mind adding information from the sources you provided on the ComicsProject page? I feel uncomfortable adding information from a book I haven't read with my own eyes. I looked them up on google book search but they don't provide previews. Any help would be appreciated. Thnkayou. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I'm a new user and now feel a little silly piping in shortly after Diana Schutz about a Dark Horse topic, but I've been rereading Legend period comics lately and (since many of the characters' appearances were in each others' titles and disparate promotional works and anthologies) I've been using Wikipedia and other sources to piece together a chronology of a)their stories; and b)their publication.
I wasn't familiar with the editing process (in fact, I've created this registration mainly to notify somebody about this), but the Legend link from Art Adams' topic page has some confusing omissions: Paul Chadwick and Geoff Darrow. Their comic books are included in the list below (although "Big Guy & Rusty" could have been included out of deference to Miller), but only five artists are listed above. It would make more sense if someone working on the page included the artists but forgot one their numerous projects rather than the other way around.
Could someone have deleted them? What would be the point, if their comics titles are still listed? What I'm more curious about is why theimprint just sort of fizzled out, despite the fact that the artists not only continued to do work through Dark Horse without the Legend logo, but they continued to use the same characters in many cases. A link to an interview in Comics Journal or elsewhere could cover that and avoid redundancies, if such an explanation was ever made public. Anyway, a good point of citation for the list of original creators would simply be the editorial page appearing in October 1993 Dark Horse comic books. Most of the Legend artists also dominated the majority of a promotional comic that Dark Horse published for the San Diego Comic-con just two months before that editorial. The short, exclusive black-and-white stories would later appear, in color, in compilations of their respective characters under the Legend imprint. (In the case of Hellboy, at least, the Legend logo that appeared on the first printing of his paperback "Seed Of Destruction" has been dropped from later printings. Someone else would have to fact-check which printing is which.)
Finally, there is mention of other artists joining later. The only ones I've ever heard of were Jim Silke (of Rascals In Paradise) and Walt Simonson, who was meant to be a founder but had already committed himself to work on Malibu's fledgling Bravura imprint by the time Legend started to move from concept to planning stages. Bravura imploded before Simonson could finish his "Starslammers" series and the final issue was published as a Legend title. The sequel ran as a serial in Dark Horse Presents.
I could contribute more (or less) detail to an article since I've got the original artifacts kicking around somewhere, but the last programming language I studied was Fortran77 and the help pages, however polite, aren't a whole lot of help if I have to stop and look up the defintions of every third word whose definitions are all written in the same terminology. I can handle these talk pages; this just simulates the experience of e-mail. If I can be more help than nuisance, my own user name should, in theory, follow this entry.
Moose N. Squirrel (
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22:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Cheers for expanding Simon Davis (comics) - it had niggled me for a while that no one had started an article on him and getting second prize in the BP competition needled me into getting t started but it was still a little bare bones and it looks a lot better now. The Red rag Gallery page was a great find - very useful and with a lot of piccies too. Now if only I could sneak into his work area and sneak that odd muddy greeny/blue colour from his palette I'd be the happiest boy in town.
There is a bit more on the BLAIR 1 run in TPO but it'd probably be better off in the relevant article. I am sure I have read somewhere that his run on Sinister Dexter was the definitive one but I may be extrapolating from the rest of the David Bishop quote I gave. Perhaps Dan Abnett has something on his blog I can use... I'm sure there is a way to add some bits about the reception to his art and keep it balanced. I'll do some more digging.
A quick aside - not sure if this interests you but it is an interview with Eddie Campbell. I'll drop it into his article later. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC))
They both look fine. I would adjust the layout on Laird so you have "Notes" (for the footnotes) and then "References" (for... well I think you get the point).
You can do the same with BMB - scooping up the three database links from somewhere like Sean Phillips#References (that is what I do -a quick copy and paste and you are away). As BMB has done computer games he'll also be listed in IMBD. But that is just the bog standard linkage I throw in when I have time, everything else seems fine. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC))
I don't think they are going to reprint every issue (at least I missed it if they said it) - that'd be a very bad idea as some of the stuff was pony when it was new and some won't have aged well, while others probably wouldn't make sense to a non-UK audience.
What I expect they'll do is allow Wagner the chance to produce an "Ultimate Dredd" (after I thought this I checked around and some are already using Ultimate Dredd, so if independent people are thinking it so must they) allowing him to build up the character without other people's additions and years of convoluted backstory and learning on the job.
They'd be wise to run an American print of the Case Files to bring everyone up to speed on the original (so Wagner isn't starting from square one) and then see how it goes.
They'll probably want to work some of the big properties in a similar way (Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper), which could allow Rebellion to leverage media developments on them.
I also wouldn't be surprised if they have an eye to grabbing things like stories by Grant Morrison (although possibly not Zenith) and Garth Ennis as they'll sell by the bucketload, as would Mark Millar's (even if the general fan opinion is/was that most of those stories were horrible). Just look at what DC have done with all of Alan Moore's Image output - even the dodgy stuff (I can't quite bring myself to buy Wild Worlds).
So that is my bet Big Name properties and stuff they can throw together that'll sell well no matter what the variable quality. ( Emperor ( talk) 03:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC))
I tend to add one of three classes to the header:
That is just my general rule of thumb for adding a quick rating, as B and above require you to go through a more intensive process (there is a checklist for getting it to B inbuilt). I'll also throw in a "low" importance rating unless I know enough about the topic to bump it up.
No rating is set in stone so if you think it deserves different importance or classes (and classes can go down as well as up) then anyone can edit them at any time, as it is a dynamic process (I suspect they are more likely to once something has been added) - although higher ratings will need increasing justification (the header should make that easy too). The important thing, as far as I'm concerned, is to attach it to a workgroup and flagging anything which needs doing. ( Emperor ( talk) 22:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC))
Hi, n. I hope you read my comments at Talk:Vertigo (DC Comics) before going to the request posted at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Vertigo (DC Comics). I do believe you're acting in good faith and with good intentions. Given the RfC commentary at the Vertigo talk page, I think Mediation can only help the article, and not hurt it. Couples go to marriage counseling, by way of example, because they want to work out issues amicably. I have a feeling we can air our issues and remain as amicable as we have been. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. The Archives p.223 cite was there when I got there, so, yeah, obviously, if I or a previous editor got that footnote wrong, do have at it. (I changed the name of it from "Archives 3.5" to "Archives223" since I thought something in the original phrasing was creating a cite-error tag. Turned out to be something else, but I didn't want to risk anything by changing them all back.)
To answer your question, I do have a large collection of Alter Ego and of the equally informative Comic Book Artist, plus a selection of Amazing Heroes, Write Now, and various others. I hesitate to say, but I began collecting comics in the 1960s (and writing them in the 1990s, but that's another story....) I imagine I'm one of the older Wikipedians, which ... can be interesting.
I went back just now and looked at the Dick Sprang article's "History" page, and yep, there you are! Nice work there, I must say -- you upgraded it, IMHO, from a few mere grafs to a genuine article.
And this will seem oddly coincidental, but I was adding something to my user page after working on Sprang, and noticed someone had created an article that I'd had on my "To do (and by all means feel free to do first!)" list, Whitney Ellsworth. Curious, I went to see, and lo and behold, there you were! I only gave it a quick read (it's 1:15 a.m. here) and I must compliment you, N. — your article structure and phrasing, your extensive referencing and your referencing style are all really, really close to my own. Assuming that's a good thing (!), I'm truly glad to see someone as intelligent and diligent as yourself creating and improving these biographical articles.
(There are at least a dozen particularly good regulars in WikiProject Comics — Doczilla; Emperor; Pepso/Pepso2; Hiding; ThuranX; BOZ; jc37; lately Asgardian, with whom I had an Arbitration that fell my way rather than his but whom I also now respect very much for his high encyclopedic standards and keen-eyed streamlining to the gist of things; and others I'm too sleepy to name off the bat.)
Let's please hold off on the "Marvel Age" thing until we work out Vertigo, and, hopefully, time-constrained as we are, collaborate as we've planned on a section about Jack Kirby's efforts to receive his artwork and credit from Marvel. I've pulled some AE issues out of storage, plus the generally OK Ronin Ro book Tales to Astonish, the trade-paper collected Kirby interviews from The Comics Journal, and Will Eisner's Shop Talk collection of interviews. Seriously, N., our head-butting at Vertigo aside, I think we have (as I've been saying) the same visions/goals/intentions, and could do, I am sure, some kick-ass collaborations. With hope for the future, -- Tenebrae ( talk) 05:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Just saw this on Mark Evenier's POV Online column (July 13, 2008). We probably would have run into it elsewhere, but this saves us the time to look: "One of the folks who asks a question of Bugliosi in the Q-and-A section is Steve Rohde, an attorney who's been a major champion of the First Amendment. He's a courageous man who has done much good for Freedom of Speech in this country...and he was the main lawyer who represented Jack Kirby in his famous dispute with Marvel Comics over the ownership of his original artwork." One more name to Google and maybe come up with interesting stuff, when we get to this. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 14:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
-- Gatoclass ( talk) 03:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
It seemed to be discussion, so I moved it to the talk page. I hope that's not a problem. Algebraist 17:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
A table might be clean and neat. It's easy enough to copy over the coding for one from, say, the simple table at Timely Comics.
I guess the main decision is whether to do it by year ( Shazam Award, Alley Award) or by category ( Eisner Award, Harvey Award). That would probably depend on the type and number of awards. If the names of the awards changed frequently, for example, a list by year might be the way to go.
Haven't forgotten about Kirby Kollaboration. Still looking forward to working on that with you on that once our favorite (joking) topic gets hashed out! :-) -- Tenebrae ( talk) 20:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. To answer your question: The points in the New Fun and Showcase captions are noted within the article. However, the Action Comics claim was not, and additionally the article Golden Age of Comics notes that historians differ on the first Golden Age comic. Ditto GL, with the caption actually at odds with article; if there's no agreement on the end of the Silver Age, it'd be hard to pinpoint the first Bronze Age title. Finally the Watchman claim also was not supported, and the relevant section is a wealth of uncited claims and POV; additionally, the article Modern Age of Comics has a "multiple issues" tag. Hope this helps. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 04:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
...on Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson. Great tracking down of a 20-some year old print source! Kudos! -- Tenebrae ( talk) 18:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I had originally just planned to point out my new entry on Dick Briefer, since I thought you'd appreciate it. Then I noticed the Mike Ploog revert.
And I am very, very disappointed in your citing Wikipedia:Citing IMDb in your edit summary when it says with a big red X at the top, "This proposal has failed to attain consensus within the Wikipedia community."
I don't know how old you are — very young, no more than in your 20s, I'd imagine — or what kind of professional training you have in research — and from all our conversations I'm thinking little if any, not counting self-taught — but I truly believe that like many people whose research background consists primarily of using the Internet, your credulousness, lack of skepticism, and erring on the side of laxness rather than stringency is more than troubling now that it's coupled with this beyond-the-pale attempt at citing a discredited page — with an anchor link, thinking no one would scroll up.
Writing for an encyclopedia requires even higher research standards than deadline journalism, which has high standards to begin with. In our many, many conversations, where I have spoken of my respect for your intellect, I have given so much of my time and professional expertise to practically give a tutorial on journalistic ethics. I can see now I've been wasting my breath, metaphorically speaking, in discussing ethics. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Well ... thanks.
I just now saw your July 16 posting with condolences about my mother's cancer. Don't know how I'd missed it. (Or, well, actually, it was probably because my mind was elsewhere.) So, thank you for that as well.
Still, let's hold off more debate for awhile unless it's some edit that can't wait. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 21:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd throw this one over - I seemed to have missed this when it was created (despite being on my watchlist) but saw it get PRODed so I've expanded it and removed the PROD but it needs more work. I haven't read it (although it sounds up my alley) and now I see it has been cancelled. I'll dig out the sales figures as they were rather poor (I've seen 6,000 mentioned which can't be breaking even). ( Emperor ( talk) 15:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC))
I know you took an interest in the Teen Titans article and wanted to run this one past you. Terror Titans got a big thumbs down recently (understandably as they only appeared in five issues [7]). Pretty bad timing as it has been announced they are getting their own mini-series and the interviews have already started [8]. I would have started an article but having been so recently deleted it does make me a bit wary. So thoughts? Start now or wait?
It would also tie in (and help bulk out) the rather skimpy The Dark Side Club. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC))
I've had this link knocking around for a bit and thought it was up your alley [9]. I've added a quick note in at Harry N. Abrams, Inc. but it might be something we'd want to return to in the future and I'll keep an eye out for more news on this front. ( Emperor ( talk) 00:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC))
I was just looking for advice on where to stick something - never a good question to ask anyone, but the structure of the Vertigo page means I'm not 100% sure where it should go. I just added Vertigo (DC Comics)#Vertigo Crime, which was fairly simple but I was going to add something on the Vertigo Encyclopedia [10] and was stumped on where was the best place for it. Possibly in a further reading section? Sounds like an impressive effort although I'm unsure if it is a little too broad a topic to have the kind of depth we might need to provide lots of useful references (but it might have some handy nuggets that could be used). ( Emperor ( talk) 02:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC))
Looks like the category will be deleted (I was surprised it wasn't last time) and I had been noddling away on User:Emperor/Sandbox/List of 2000 AD creators and was wondering if you'd be interested in chipping in so I can get it finished. Looking down it I'd want to take the focus off the list and putting it into 3 columns might do the trick. Thoughts? ( Emperor ( talk) 17:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC))
Well I was going to be a smartie pants and do a little sleight of hand and conjure up a cached version of his page but, for reasons which desert me, I never edited that page and no one else added the link. However, my web fu is strong and the link was easy enough to guess so I have done it despite the odds being against me. soooooooooo:
FIRST CREDIT IN 2000AD
Judge Anderson
Triad 10 episodes (Progs 635 to 644) 50 pages
Script: Alan Grant, Artist: Arthur Ranson
Featuring: Orlok the Assassin
and:
FIRST CREDIT IN THE MEGAZINE
Judge Anderson
Reasons to Be Cheerful 2 episodes (Megs 2.10 to 2.11) 12 pages
Script: Alan Grant, Artist: Arthur Ranson (1) and Siku (2)
So 635 was cover dated 15th July, 1989 and Megazine 2.10 (how I hate the old numbering system) was cover dated 5th September, 1992.
Which is pretty definitive. as you can see Hewlett didn't appear in that issue (so it wasn't just badly worded and I can't explain that comment - you can always email David and check). Looking at 614 you can see the Future Shock in that issue was drawn by Kev Walker and that Jamie Hewlett appeared in two stories (including 1 Dredd) - impressive start, pity we never heard any more from him ;)
I am led to believe that the database will be back at some point in the future - fingers crossed. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC))
Ah ha!! Well done on finding where the system grinds to a halt. We now have an aliases infobox for pages that deal with a lot of characters of the same name but this....? It might normally be solved with a split but there isn't enough material and there appears to be no connection between the two. I'd say drop one in for the Marvel one in the appropriate section and a note on the talk page about it. Might also be worth throwing it into the Comics Project talk page and letting folks thrash that one out. I'm not sure there is a simple fix there I'm afraid. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC))
I'll be glad to take a look and offer what suggestions I can, sometime tonight. I've been wanting to see Goldwater in for some time now; I'm happy to see someone create that.
Thank you for asking after me. My mother grows graver with the cancer, and my wife has just lost her more than decade-long job at a prestigious magazine, following a mega-merger. It's true, I haven't had much energy for Wikipedia lately. I did some catch-up, mostly inspired by my having purchased the extraordinary new Blake Bell biography of Steve Ditko. I'm at work now; I'll try to get back in here tonight. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again for your kind thoughts during this time. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 22:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I think it looks really good, really solid. The only edits I would suggest are mostly technical/formatting in nature — primarily, I would paraphrase cited points except for cases of ambiguity or possible controversy, in which case I would (sparingly) use verbatim quotes from article-writers. I would also use the "Early life and career" subhead as the first subset of "Biography". But the writing style and tone are very good — neutral, but a narrative, with interesting, telling details. I'd adjust the odd phrase here and there for flow and clarity, but as I said, that's just technical polish.
"John L. Goldwater" seems to be the most common way he's referred to in press and such, like "Edward G. Robinson", so I would agree with you on that title formulation.
I somehow managed to drag a very basic Harry Sahle article out of myself yesterday. I need to add some print sources before posting it as a new article on the Noticeboard.
Now off to help somehow who asked for some informal mediation on Thanos.... Hang in there. Stay well. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for the added info/corrections. Jump in today if you can/want and tidy up, since I'm at work and can't get to it till later. I was rushing the Sahle piece, since I was doing it as take-my-mind-off-things therapy when I really didn't have the time to write up a new article, and clearly it shows. I really do appreciate your help on the clean-up and confirmations.
On a lighter note, I know you didn't mean to call using the Social Security Death Index a "trick"!
Stay well. Talk to you soon. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
"In 1940, he co-created the Timely character the Black Widow with writer George Kapitan, comics' first costumed, superpowered female protagonist."
is calling George Kapitan "comics' first costumed, superpowered female protagonist." Strunk & White talk about this somewhere. But as I said, that's just a grammatical thing. The new and corrected information itself is all very good.
One other very important thing: We can't include forum postings, per WP:SPS. -- Tenebrae ( talk)
Dear Ntnon...You are invited to come back to discuss WikiProject Media franchises. Since you participated in one or more discussions of the project, possibly when it was known as WikiProject Fictional series, I hope to see you return to it. The project needs your participation. Currently there is no activity on the project's talk page about the reorganization which is discouraging. I had great expectations for this project as it touches so many topics but am becoming discouraged. I hope to see you return. LA @ 19:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Excellent find - really great stuff!! I love Kevin O'Neill's work so it is always great to find out that there may be more of it coming soon. I bought Marshal Law trade when it came out and it has been so heavily re-read that it looks like I've made a decent stab at eating it (it was the late eighties/early nineties so anything is possible). Tonnes of good stuff, and The Bojeffries Saga? That has come rather out of the blue (or I missed previous mentions) and I'd love to hear more (no pun intended). I suppose if they have printed a million new Watchmen volumes and it is top of the sales charts (20,000 sold through Diamond alone in just July) then he is free from financial concerns and can focus on projects he really wants to do, I'd never have guessed about returning to that one, but why not? The article needs work and God knows what infobox to use (queried here). I'll start to look into this more.
It is interesting what they say about Mills and superheroes there as I'm sure I've read elsewhere that he actually dislikes superheroes (as does Garth Ennis) which allows him to really explore this area. I might see what I can extract for Marshal Law (comics) as it needs some work - I wonder if we can just move that issue #4 cover up to the infobox? I do wonder if the infobox needs changing to be a character infobox as the current one isn't really covering the topic. I'll ponder on this - I'm off at a family wedding at the weekend so won't be able to do much until next week anyway.
Looking at Kevin O'Neill (comics), it should be possible to source quite a bit of that and expand on it (it doesn't mention that he was the art editor) and I'll also look at that, as it'll go hand in hand with Marshall Law. ( Emperor ( talk) 14:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC))
Here is another Alan Moore interview - not much extra information although I am pleased to see there is a DVD of Mindscape coming out.
Good stuff - thanks for that. I'll have a read through the Warrior ones I have here and see if anything presents itself.
The image you link to is actually the proposed cover of Terror Tomes #1. As I mentioned above you can fiddle the image URL to get the images (actually I'll do this for the lot and drop the links into the talk page as it might be of some use to someone. So the version from Newsarama (which is similar to that but with all the lettering) is here. I am not sure about using unpublished (but solicited) images - J Greb is seeking clarification here.
One thing I've not seen anything on - what happened to Atomeka? They clearly had that comic finished and ready to roll with other material in for future issues but then... nothing. Considering the talent you'd think they could have teamed up with someone who could have covered printing and distribution. Seems very odd that it just seemed to evaporate. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC))
I agree - I have flagged some others I think need including as well as ones I am concerned about. There is a BIG problem with Gaiman/McFarlane/Spawn and I don't think we can let that be set in stone like that. I'll run it past the discussion but I think, as they need to be on the disc, I'll have to invoke WP:BLP and remove that material to the talk page until someone can source them.
Frank Hampson is certainly one I feel should be there but the article isn't great and lacks references (and a picture - given the fact he is no longer with us the bar is lower on getting a picture so it should be doable). That is a pretty good list and chimes with my concerns raised on the talk page - it is a crude algorithm that doesn't really take into account what is actually significant: I mean could we really end up with half a dozen Batman villains and no Eagle (comic book)? So I'd say post those suggestions there and we'll try and thrash it out.
I also agree that some are pretty (piss?) poor. I have suggested splitting off publication lists to their own article but if you did that on Dark Horse Comics you'd end up with stub. It might be that the titles are stifling the article and we need to do this (like excising a parasitic twin) but that is only going to have long-term benefits and short-term it isn't going to look pretty (not a big deal if this 0.7 wasn't looming). I think it would benefit Image Comics, and my previous suggestion of splitting off the Hellboy spin-offs to "Hellboy franchise" would really help that article too - so I might get the ball rolling there.
I suppose we also have to accept that some articles that are significant aren't going to be that great and that we are just going to have to do our best with what we have. It does make me wonder if we should make a list of say 100 articles that should be as good as we can make it.
On a slight sidenote I was just looking at Hellblazer and it is pretty poor, when it should be one of our best articles. I suspect using the trade template and a decent publication history we could remove all of those long lists of creators (which you don't see in other long-running titles - the important information should be in the main body of the text. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC))
You've probably seen this but it seemed relevant:
Steve Bissette: added "on a related topic, be sure to check out the chapters on Marvelman/Miracleman and Medieval Spawn & Angela in the upcoming "PRINCE OF STORIES: THE MANY WORLDS OF NEIL GAIMAN" (November from St. Martin's Press) for the most comprehensive and current coverage I could muster on both situations."
LitG obviously ( ISBN 0312387652) I wonder if we can get them to send you a copy!!! Also don't check out the Alan Moore yaoi - proof if we needed it that it is a funny old world!! ( Emperor ( talk) 22:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC))
I did some digging and added some more links User:Emperor/News_trawl#Hellblazer, although most are actually in the Delano article so nothing new. What he says there is that (also coming from Northampton) Alan Moore got him his break in comics by helping him through the door at Marvel UK, he does seem to have followed in his footsteps from Night Raven to Captain Britain, to DR & Quinch to Hellblazer but he doesn't say it was down to Moore. in two interviews he says similar things - he was pitching Vertigo an idea and so when they were looking for a British writer to do something with the popular Constantine character he was on their mind, they asked him to pitch some ideas, he did and they accepted the offer. I am not sure how much of an influence Moore had on Delano getting the Constantine gig which (barring other sources emerging) means the person who wrote it might not have known or was getting it mixed up with the earlier influence from Moore (that said I was always suspicious about the way the whole article was parachuted in by an anon IP - although from the interviews it doesn't seem like Delano is the type to be that bothered so I suspect it is a fan). There is some good material in those interviews and I'll extract bits and bobs.
Tricky call on the title/character business - I'd go with the character for now as it doesn't seem as bad as the title. ( Emperor ( talk) 00:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC))
Nice job tracking down his DOB and other details! What I would love to know is how Akin & Garvey hooked up, and how they divided duties. Like did Akin ink figures and Garvey backgrounds? I remember wondering this way back when when they broke into the mainstream... Also, do we know for sure that Akin & Garvey are American? For some reason, I had a sense they were British... Anyway, again, great expansions! — Stoshmaster ( talk) 13:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that - it helped resolve things quickly.
The only comics-related one left is: George Khoury (author). Just saying... ( Emperor ( talk) 03:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
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Could you transfer the material and sources you added to Watchmen to the temp page mentioned in the Featured Article Review? It would make things much easier, since the ultimate plan to to rework the article in that temp and then copy and paste the material into the main article when it's finished. Also, would those Comics Journal articles have information on sales or the publication delays I've heard about, or this news I keep hearing that the story is supposed to to change ownership from DC to Moore and Gibbons when it's no longer in print? Thanks. WesleyDodds ( talk) 02:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Veidt's ability to catch a bullet isn't portrayed as a superpower. It's portrayed as this really awesome physical feat he can do due to his training. Think Batman, hence the phrasing "obvious superpowers". I really doubt that article on comic book registration acts should even exist; aside from that, I see no reason to direct the reader to another page to read about something in Watchmen when they should get what they need in the main Watchmen article. Finally, the fake alien invasion needs to be mentioned for simple context. In one paragraph the synopsis says Veidt has a plan, then in the next paragraph it's been enacted. The reader would quite rightly ask, "Wait, what was the plan?" It's one of those simple things that's obvious to people familiar with the story, but it's very necessary for people who aren't familiar to understand it. Given it can be explained quite succinctly ("Veidt's plan involves faking an alien invasion in order to get the US and USSR to stop fighting"), there's no reason to exclude it. WesleyDodds ( talk) 01:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
As for the Composition and Themes sections, I'm basically dismantling them and rebuilding them in a more orderly fashion. Even after I removed all the unreliable sources, there's still plenty to work with (plus all the material you, me, and Hiding have been unearthing), but the structure from the original article is lackluster. WesleyDodds ( talk) 00:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
You can't use that Comics Journal cover because it's not discussed in the article, and is not direclty related to the subject. I want to use an image of one of the story pages to show the symbols and nine-panel grid system, but haven't decided on one yet. But the Comcs Journal cover does not belong. WesleyDodds ( talk) 22:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
In connection with the release of the encyclopaedia [16].
While on Vertigo I am collecting together resources to start the Greatest Hits article on my news trawl. CBR are running an introduction to the characters so when the last two are published I'll start the article - if you've spotted anything useful then drop it on in and I'll scoop it up. Reviews have been a bit varied but I'll probably pick up the trade eventually, unless issue #2 turns a corner and it becomes a must read, I suppose.
While nosing around the Forbidden Planet blog I found an overview/review of Paul Gravett's next one [17] - sounds right up my alley. I just wonder if Santa is going to be able to get everything I want down the chimney!! ( Emperor ( talk) 23:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC))
Just a note to ask if you are aware that the person involved in the Talk:Alan Moore is highly more than likely to be a new sock of User:ColScott, who posted this about us in May? I'm looking at the history right now and will submit it when I'm sure. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 07:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I wish you luck as well. I'm all for giving people second chances, but somewhere around the thirtysecond chance I lose patience. - JasonAQuest ( talk) 20:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Could you cast an eye over Michael Bair? No rush it was just that, as discussed in the AfD, I expanded it to demonstrate his notability and did it all in one go (based on the things I'd found to support my keep suggestion) so I was rather loosing interest (the will to live?) towards the end and feel it could do with a quick once-over just to make sure it reads OK. As I say, no rush - it isn't going anywhere but I thought I'd flag it as in need of a read through at some point. Cheers. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC))
Some further discussion here. Thought I'd drop you a note as you pitched in some ideas in the earlier discussion. ( Emperor ( talk) 00:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC))
Not sure if you are interested but I got the ball rolling on The Big Book of. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC))
You are always welcome to ask but (as far as I can tell) I don't have either. There have been some interesting surprises when I've gone digging but I'd doubt there are any left along those lines (although I will go and kick a few boxes but I'm not holding my breath). Sorry. ( Emperor ( talk) 20:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC))
OK I have started a (long-overdue) discussion on getting a list of resources together: WT:CMC#Resources list. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC))
Seems that while they are working on it the database is living here, if you need to look anything up. Seems to be fairly up to date. ( Emperor ( talk) 19:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC))
Hi. Can you read this section and then offer your opinion on the points raised? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 14:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Interesting question - which should give you a clue that I don't know. Have you checked Thrill Power Overload? I can't think of any obvious connection as he was long past being editor of the title. ( Emperor ( talk) 23:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC))
Moore and Gibbons had worked together before on a number of one-off Future Shocks. Although Gibbons had effectively started working full-time at DC, Richard Burton, the Assistant Editor of 2000 AD at the time and an old friend of Gibbons' from comic fandom, would still send him one-off scripts all of which were written by Moore. They both flag the last of these stories, "Chronocops" as being key to their later work. Gibbons recalls "it was an early taste of the self-referential, very involved things, Alan would get me working on in Watchmen" (TPO, page 96) and in the introduction to the Titan Books collection of the stories Moore said the story "marked the first time I realised Dave Gibbons was prepared to draw whatever absurd amount of detail I could ask for, however ludicrous an impractical. This in fact served me well in later life".(TPO, page 95)
Alan Moore loves the Watchmen film (in 1987). ( Emperor ( talk) 02:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC))
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Generally red links are covered by WP:REDLINK (i.e. include them if there is the possibility the article might possibily be created) but WP:MOSDAB is a lot stricter and generally says you can't have red links there which is a pity. That said I add them to disambiguation pages and they often don't get removed, worse are multiple links per item and should be trimmed back. That said the page is a WP:SETINDEX which allows more flexibility in formatting and red links are fine - the editor had just misunderstood what the page was so applied MOSDAB more strictly than should have been done. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC))
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Does this seem reasonable? I'd assume the lack of feedback meant no one really cares that much but I want to avoid doing it and then finding the problem. ( Emperor ( talk) 12:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC))
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Thanks for the note. It is fairly mysterious - they clearly have some kind of "plan" as the edits are consistent but they refuse to explain what it is and you'd have to assume it is some kind of opinion/agenda they have about what should and shouldn't count. Hell they may even be right but they'd need to demonstrate it somewhere along the line and just editing away is only going to get you banned. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC))
How goes in, N.? As promised, finally, I'm drafting a section on the Marvel/Kirby art controversy. Here's my initial draft (with a couple items to be filled-in yet) of the background and the early stages. Given both the labyrinthine intricacies of copyright law and the justifiable passion of this David & Goliath situation, I've attempted to keep things as plain and simple as possible for the first issue, and as blandly neutral as possible for the second. Comments welcome.
I can tell you right off that we need to diversity the sourcing; I'm using three books that were immediately handy, but we need contemporaneous magazine and other press accounts as well or in place of what's here.
Here 'tis...
From comic books' inception, publishers typically retained artists' original artwork, either storing it or destroying it, [1] though occasionally returning particular pages to artists making specific requests. citation needed In a nod to changing times, DC Comics, as early as 1973, [2] and the newly formed Atlas/Seaboard Comics, in 1974, began routinely returning new original artwork. When the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976, effective January 1, 1978, codified "that freelancers could now claim copyrights on anything created before that year" unless they signed a work-for-hire agreement, [3] DC in 1978 began offering contracts affirming freelancers the right to the return and ownership of artwork. Marvel Comics began returning new original art in 1976, requiring artists to sign an approximately four-line rights-release, replaced by a one-page form in 1979. [2]
Kirby's Marvel artwork, beginning with his mid-1970s return to the company, was, like that of other artists, routinely returned. [1] However, Marvel did not offer Kirby a freelancer contract until August 1984, [4] when Kirby received a four-page agreement exclusive to him. [5] This document offered "a gift" of only the "physical custody" of 88 pages of original art [5] out of more than 8,000 Kirby had produced between 1960 and 1970. [2] While the one-page form offered to other freelancers confirmed their ownership of their artwork, [2] Kirby's form provided "nothing more than the right to store the art on behalf of Marvel. Though it would be in his possession, there was nothing that Kirby would be allowed to do with it", [2] as the form specified that the artwork could not be sold or otherwise commercially exploited; could not be publicly displayed without Marvel's written permission; and must be accessible to Marvel to copy. [5] Further, it forbid Kirby to claim any other of his thousands of unreturned pages in Marvel's possession. [5]
Kirby attempted to negotiate with Marvel editor-in-chief Jim Shooter, who responded with a January 25, 1985, letter reiterating Marvel's demand that Kirby sign the complete agreement as written. [4] The issue became public that summer in the magazine The Comics Journal #___ (month 1985), which launched a nearly year-long editorial crusade advocating the full-ownership return of Kirby's art. Together with discussion at comic-book fan convention panels; a pro-Kirby petition signed by approximately 150 industry professionals and published in The Comics Journal #105 (Feb. 1986); and, in that same issue, a November 19, 1985, open letter to Marvel from DC publisher Jenette Kahn and editors Dick Giordano and Paul Levitz castigating Marvel, "Shooter and Marvel found themselves in the middle of the worst public relations disaster in the company's history". [4]
Marvel increased the number of pages it offered to return, first to 800, then 1700, and the four-page agreement became three agreements, with modifications. [6] On June 16, 1987, Kirby signed the final document giving up any copyright claims in exchange for return of his artwork. [6] Marvel refused to pay the $800 insurance cost of shipping "what the company says remained of Kirby's drawings — about one-sixth of his work", which arrived the last week of June and consisted of "300 [pre-superhero] monster pages, 300 Westerns, two dozen covers, some Fantastic Four, no X-Men, and just a handful of Hulk and Sgt. Fury pages". [6]
-- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Just thought you might be interested [20] ( Emperor ( talk) 02:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC))
I have been trying to track down better details for his death and I was wondering if you have Comics International? I believe the may 2005 issue #185, has a tribute to him, which could provide much needed background. ( Emperor ( talk) 22:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC))
Where did you get the information that Paul Smith created this series? I can't find any references for that - but then again, I can't find any mention of anyone else "creating" it either (apart from one document that credits Dawn French, but that could be lazy writing). I'd be interested to know, as I'm cleaning up the IMDb credits for that show, and he doesn't seem to get an on-screen "created by" credit, apart from the 4 episodes he wrote. Cheers — sjorford ++ 17:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
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Looking through the list:
And Happy Xmas and a Spiffing New Year - I've got quite a bit on and might be a bit scarce around here over the holidays, so might as well throw it in now ;) ( Emperor ( talk) 23:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC))
I wonder if you'd be interested in helping improve Jean-Marc Lofficier. I've had a word with him and we've refocused the article so the biography reads like a biography but he has helpfully provided the biography and I'm sure the COI pixies would just love to tag it so I was going to rewrite it and ping ponging the article back and forth (like Michael Bair and Antony Johnston) worked well, resulting in some respectably solid articles, if I must say so myself ;) I'll start drawing together resources and fiddling with it. I'm also planning a rewrite of another article but need to get back up to speed with that as I've been busy. ( Emperor ( talk) 02:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC))
Good to see you pitching in on Alex Raymond! Hope you're having a good start to the New Year. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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Several months ago you made some sensible suggestions regarding the Batman villains article and I'd like to implement them with your help if possible. Thanks A gx7 ( talk) 01:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Regarding your on the List of Handel's compositions page, please see the note I've raised on the talk page. Thanks. HWV258 22:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. I copied your comment to the talk page of the article; that's normally the place to discuss Signpost articles. Cheers!-- ragesoss ( talk) 02:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Thought you might be interested in this: [22] and [23]. As well as being a giant book on Marvel's UK comics (which needed!!!) it is also the first venture from Dez Skinn "The book will apparently be published in hardback and as 'A Quality Guide' - the first in a new imprint of books from Dez Skinn's long-running publishing company" which sounds like it could be an interesting line of books. Also in the second link he asks if anyone can help out with the images - I'm checking what I can provide (nothing so far) but you are probably a better bet for such things, although whether you have access to it is another matter ;) Hope you're keeping well. ( Emperor ( talk))
I've asked for some fresh sets of eyes on this and then we'll try for GA status. As you've done the lion's share of the work I thought I'd let you know in case there is anything else you want to add and just so you know. ( Emperor ( talk) 20:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC))
Hi. Could you offer your opinion on the consensus discussion here? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 05:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
If not, I have a request (a task) for you if you'd be willing to help : ) - jc37 00:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Fairly busy yes, but ask away anyway. :o) I could probably find time if need be...! Things have been utterly, utterly frantic and packed; now my time is just 'full'. So it's improved. <small(I think...) ntnon ( talk) 22:11, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Dear Ntnon...You were at one time helping WikiProject Media franchises figure out where it was going to go and what it would cover. About five months ago, I left suddenly and without explination; and in my absense the WikiProject came to a complete standstill. I am now wondering if the project is sustainable and worthwhile to try to revive and continue with the work started there. If you would be interested in coming back to the table to discuss it, that would be great. We were just getting to a point where things were coming together when I had to leave to cool off from a particularly heated discussion that was upsetting me. I had hoped that the project would have moved forward without me, but it did not; but I am hioping to bring it back.
Please stop by if you are still interested. I look forward to seeing you there and seeing if we can pick up where we left off. LA If you reply here, please leave me a {{ Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 04:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Could you see if you could help out in the discussion regarding Rorschach's Journal? See Talk:Watchmen#Should Rorschach's journal be mentioned in the Plot Summary of The Watchmen?. Hiding T 11:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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You wouldn't happen to have anything useful on the company that I can use? They are back publishing again and publishing Razorjack and Cla$$war in the next couple of months and this is already generating quite some interest [24] and there should be enough by the time they launch to start articles on both (although I might have to ask Santa for those, as somehow my wishlist is growing longer by the day ;) ) but something on the company would be a little thin at the moment so I thought I'd ask. Their blog is tracking the news about them so I should be able to pick up more information from there too. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC))
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Thanks for the notes - they are shaping up nicely already. I've decided to have a couple of projects on the go, Com.x and Cla$$war should be pretty much boxed off soon and I'll return to a couple of rewrites I was working on. When I get a good start on them I'll throw you the links as I always appreciate a second set of eyes :)
Also a couple of other things:
Interesting stuff. ( Emperor ( talk) 15:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC))
Looks like this might be resolving itself. Moore has made pretty definitive statements here and I think a lot of the creators are now getting behind the idea of Mick Anglo getting the proceeds from any reprints. There is a summary of progress so far here (although based on those interviews). So fingers crossed. I have never seen the Warrior material recoloured, as shown in that last link and I think I'd rather it were in B&W if that is what it will look like. So of all those that could be reprinted this is moving to the top of the list. Next... Zenith. ( Emperor ( talk) 01:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC))
Nice expansion of the Weisinger article! Fascinating character, him... -- stoshmaster ( talk) 03:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey Ntnon, I noticed your work on the Alex Raymond article, so this to invite you to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Al_Williamson/archive1
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Hi. Can you join this discussion in order to offer us your thoughts? It would be most appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 06:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
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"True, to a point, but the image is one of several from AWoDC illustrating the people-behind-the-fanzine - so it does show that turning point, since it is a caricature produced to illustrate the man recently put to work at DC." But there is nothing in that illustration that shows any of that to the reader. No one looking at that image will see, "Oh, it's of a guy at a turning point who's recent been put in charge of..." It just shows a caricature. Nothing more.
"I understand that a photograph would be better - and I'm seeking one - and I agree that a contextualised caricature might be better, but I fail to see why is automatically better. Would it be more acceptable as an illustration of his career turning point if I left the text in describing him? To contextualise the image?" A photograph is a more realistic representation of something with less room for subjectivity. A caricature, by its very nature is not, and text will not change the fact that the caricature does not describe what you insist it does. You may have personal knowledge of that background behind that image, but that doesn't mean that this is self-explanatorily illustrated by that image to someone looking at it. Using your reasoning, I should upload one of the caricatures I made of Sam Viviano when I studied under him in art school, because it illustrates that important point in his life when he was teaching at the School of Visual Arts, which is mentioned in his article, but lacks an image. But in truth, this would not be justified, and would come across as me trying to shoehorning an image into an article.
"That can be easily fixed - but is there any point, though..?!" That was the point. :-) Nightscream ( talk) 02:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
So let me get this straight.......you've been insisting that a floating head caricature without any background conveys all sorts of things about its production, only if it's included in an article with an explanatory caption, but now you're arguing that no one will know that AA is a TV program, even though it says so in the section to which that title is a heading???
Seriously, though, the title is italicized, which indicates this to readers, as does the capitalization of the title (as only the first word and proper nouns can be capitalized in section headings). The reader can then read all about it in that section. It seems odd to argue that that title will imply Ayre claimed abduction, since even a reader reacting that way when seeing the heading will then be intrigued enough to read the section, which clarifies it.
Regarding the quotes, point taken. Looking over the section, though, it had way too many quotes, where simple paraphrases would suffice. As for his nationality, Canadian English accepts both spellings. Nightscream ( talk) 01:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm hesitant, simply because I think Darius is a self-promoter of dubious at best quality in his scholarship. There are tons of good sources on Vertigo material - is the information really not sourceable to something better than seqart? Phil Sandifer ( talk) 18:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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