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Hey, I came across some of your recent edits on Commons. The Wellesley Farms move looks good. However I have a few comments:
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I know you're following naming conventions, but I named many of those stations **** (Metra Electric) to distinguish them from other stations with identical street numbers. Just thought you ought to know. ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Certainly have no objection to undeletion if the permission is established. I would, however, highly recommend sending a link to the images and to the website to WP:OTRS so they can verify the permission and add a ticket number to the description. That way if the website goes dead in the future, the evidence of the license is preserved. Thanks for the heads-up and hopefully this is resolved without too much trouble. With respect - Kelly hi! 19:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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I honestly wish I could've done more, which is why I tagged it for experts. If you have any extra info you can throw into the article, by all means throw it in. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
While I'm at it, I have to congratulate you on something; Getting an image for Quantico (Amtrak station). I tried to get one in April, but the US Marines wouldn't let me use the road going towards the station. I was beginning to think I was going to have to wait another two years before I go on Amtrak's Auto Train and try to sneak a picture of the station from there. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hello Mackensen.
I wonder if I could ask you for a bit of advice and guidance on the copyright status of "self images" on userpages. Another admin has recently twice deleted a long standing userpage self image of mine snapped for me by a friend using my camera and under my direction and control (as I could obviously not take the picture of myself) as I was getting ready to work on the TV broadcast of Game 6 of the 2010 NHL Stanley Cup final in Philadelphia in June, 2010. When I asked the admin why he had deleted it (no explanation had been provided), he gave as the reason "the party who pushed the button on the camera owns the copyright to the work, not the owner of the camera." and as I did not take the photo myself (an impossibility) I "therefore have no legal right to publish this file under a free license."
This seemed to me to be an extraordinarily narrow interpretation of WP policy on copyright in the light that there are litereally hundreds of such images on WP taken under virtually identical circumstances which are accepted as "free" images with the subject of the photos listed as the copyright holder. I gave as a specific example File:Ben Schumin at Iwo Jima Memorial.jpg as well as several hundred other similarly licensed "self" images posted in the "Wikipedia:Facebook Directory" and asked what was different about my self image that made it "non-free" when it was made in exactly the same way hundreds of others licensed as "free". Despite several requests the admin has refused to answer this question, refused to restore my self image, and implied that he would block me from editing if I reuploaded it myself. This image had never been "nominated for deletion", only questioned as "possibly un-free" because I had failed to remove a watermark that I had added to it for another non-web purpose, and when this was pointed out to me I removed the watermark. The image file resided in my camera's memory card, has always been in my custody and control, and has never been used on any other website or published in print.
It has always been my understanding the Admins are not meant to behave as the "Masters" of the other members of the WP community, or as you once observed in another FFD discussion, "Bureaucracy isn't a stick with which to beat editors." I wonder if you would take a look at the discussions in which I tried to get this admin to answer my question located here, here and here and give me your thoughts on how to deal with this conundrum. I feel that my self image is being discriminated against as being the only one deleted of hundreds of similar images which have not been challenged at all. Many thanks! Centpacrr ( talk) 02:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Well, a few observations. WP:PUF is a deletion discussion; I've listed files there myself. It's sort of a proposed deletion mechanism for files. There's nothing improper about the process used, and I'm afraid that your full-throated attack on Fastily over process concerns was counterproductive.
The file was singled out not because the image folks hate you (that part comes later), but because the presence of a watermark, coupled with incomplete source information, are red flags. Nothing about this is unreasonable. Now, the problem is that you've got a really antagonistic relationship with the image folks, and I hope you won't take offense when I say that I agree that your understanding of copyright is incomplete. That's nothing to be ashamed of; copyright law is this country is an utter nightmare. It does mean, however, that they're unlikely to accept your explanations about the source of an image. Strictly speaking Fastily is correct; an image at the instance of creation belongs to the creator. The reason SchuminWeb's image was ignored is because no one tweaked--there's no watermark or anything else. And I have seen some of his images get challenged on Commons.
I've uploaded several pictures where a friend pulled the trigger (I'm not fool enough to point them out but they can be found). In each case the friend understood why I was having the picture taken, and verbally assigned the rights to me. I've never bothered having him email WP:OTRS or some such to confirm this transfer, but if it came to that I could. I think in a situation like this such rigmarole really ought to be unnecessary; assuming that's you in the image (and I have no reason to assume otherwise) you really should have been given the benefit of the doubt. That you weren't is understandable, if unfortunate, given your past history.
So, process. You have asked Fastily to reverse himself. He has declined. It's his right to do so. You have two options. You can challenge the deletion at WP:DRV, or you can have your friend send you an email stating explicitly that he releases the image under some free license. I know a couple image guys who have OTRS access and are pretty stand-up administrators (I think one's even running for Arbcom). I would be more than happy to help you with either process, but I think DRV would be a mistake. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Direct answer to Baseball Bugs. The rule is consistent and not special (images are owned by the creator), but not enforced very often. The presence of the watermark was the kicker. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
That's your right, of course, and I've learned the hard way over the years that convincing someone not to quit isn't worth the pain and frustration. You're taking a policy matter personally, which is always a mistake. There's a few things going on here. First of all, the project's view on copyright has changed substantially since you started here. This derives in large part from the realization that the inclusion of "fair use" material isn't very compatible with the creation of a free-content encyclopedia and also from the increasing professionalization of certain aspects of the project.
Copyright is complicated; I work at a university and I can tell you many professors have no idea how it works, and their livelihood depends on it! An image that is watermarked with a Stanley Cup logo isn't at first glance a free image, and just removing the watermark isn't very reassuring. Your assertions about the image weren't taken at face value not because there's a vendetta against you, but because in the past you've made wild assertions about images and copyright coupled with personal attacks on other editors. I think we first encountered each other during the Pioneer Zephyr discussions; I only carried the day by disassociating myself from the statements you were making.
Again, enforcement isn't so much selective as incomplete. It's a big project with a limited number of users and people deal with things as they come to them. Furthermore, if someone went through all the WP:FACEBOOK images they'd no doubt be accused of going on a deletion spree!
Ultimately this is all beside the point. The goal of Wikipedia is to create a free-content encyclopedia. User images, watermarked or no, have very little to do with this. I consider copyright enforcement a necessary evil, but I think it's possible to do business with the administrators involved if you come to it with (a) a positive attitude and (b) at least a grounding in US copyright law and Wikipedia's interpretation of it (which is very strict).
Anyway, I wish you all the best. By my count I have changed the way I participate here at least three times in response to various stimuli, both within and without the project. I hope that you can come to some kind of accommodation. Mackensen (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
(Outdent) Bugs, that's the way I see it. Also, no one has formally challenged SchuminWeb's image. I think it would be pointy and disruptive to do so. Mackensen (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
On re-reading Fastily's talk page I'm concerned enough to open a DRV. It's here: Wikipedia:Deletion_review#File:Centpacrr.jpg. I think I've stated the issues plainly. Centpacrr, I must emphasize that if you go for somebody's head (not that I'd blame you) it will not turn out well. I would just reiterate that a friend took the picture, that you had the watermark on it because you used it elsewhere, and leave it at that. It's Fastily, not you, who will have to justify his actions. Mackensen (talk) 15:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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Mackensen - you added a hatnote to Berkeley Student Cooperative noting that the Hoyt Hall at U of Miami is at a different place. If you think it's notable enough, make Hoyt Hall redirect to the one in Ohio, and put a hatnote there redirecting people to the Berkeley Student Coop instead - the reason that Hoyt Hall redirects to the Berkeley Student Ccop is that there used to be articles for each house in the system, which have (mostly) been merged into one, with redirects. Argyriou (talk) 00:39, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that you have written a Wikipedia page on the debates over the Schlieffen Plan( User:Mackensen/Schlieffen Plan), and I was wondering if we should add some of the material in your article to the article on the Schlieffen Plan. Even though I have some interest in the topic of World War I, I am definitely not an expert on the Schlieffen plan or military history in general. That is why I would like to know your opinion regarding the idea of adding material from your article to Schlieffen Plan.
My reason for asking this question is that last October, a contributor to Wikipedia tried to add to the article on the Schlieffen Plan the opinion of Zuber that the canonical view of the Schlieffen Plan is not accurate. The problem was that he did not know how to edit the article according to the encyclopedic format. Consequently, his comments were removed from the article by another contributor, and after that, an administrator transferred the comments to the talk page and said that they were worthy of the attention of an expert. Another contributor has since stated that his concerns should be addressed. If you go to Talk:Schlieffen Plan, they are under the heading "Comments of 65.78.225.28".
If his concerns are valid, then we can address them by moving material from your article to Schlieffen plan. Please let me know your thoughts on this. JDefauw ( talk) 02:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)JDefauw
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Somewhat ignorant of coding or otherwise I cannot make head or tail out of the problem stated at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Orderinchaos - it would be great to either have an explanation of how it works, or an excuse to dismantle the format and start again... Satu Suro 14:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
was wanting to tweak the terminology re the particular railway line, the operators name, the actual stopping places versus the actual historical list of locations on the line, and a few other things - is there a simpler form of template? Satu Suro 22:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Like this? Different termini would require more tweaking, but this example stands alone. Mackensen (talk) 03:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your example - getting close, looks good!! - but problem is there are some stopping places in between who were WAGR stopping places but no longer are (ie technically 3 diff systems - Transwa (predecessors WAGR Steam, WAGR Deisel) so x place - can be utilised by all 3 wagr steam, wagr diesel, transwa) with variations in between... Satu Suro 05:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Moving mockup below. I'm going to show two different takes. Mackensen (talk) 12:39, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
=== Mockup ===
{{s-rail-start}}
{{s-rail|title=Transwa}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|previous=Harvey|next=Bunbury}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Diesel|previous=Somewhere|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1995|note2=Closed 1995|rows2=2}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Steam|previous=Some third location|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1956|hide2=yes}}
{{end}}
{{s-rail-start}}
{{s-rail|title=Transwa}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|previous=Harvey|next=Bunbury}}
{{s-note|text=Former [[Western Australian Government Railways|WAGR]] services}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Diesel|previous=Somewhere|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1995|note2=Closed 1995|rows2=2}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Steam|previous=Some third location|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1956|hide2=yes}}
{{end}}
w0w - thanks for the effort - with these examples I have something to work with - thank you for your effort - I just have to get a handle of a few lists I need to get and work out which way to present the info - and find the time to get the material in - the examples are very useful - appreciate that - cheers Satu Suro 12:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Mackensen, I noticed that you closed the AFD for Highest-grossing films in overseas markets as delete. I'm disappointed that the discussion didn't get relisted again. Every single delete vote occurred before I pointed out additional sources and clarified what the subject actually was. Many of the people in favor of deleting the topic were saying it should be deleted because the subject was unclear, but actually the subject as covered in the sources is fairly clear, and it was just the poorly chosen name of the article that made the Wikipedia article unclear. In addition some of the delete votes were based on the assumption that the list was made just by subtracting numbers in one list from another, when actually it is a topic discussed in and of itself. Now that the topic has been clarified and more sources have been pointed out, I think it is possible that people would have a different opinion on whether the article should be kept or deleted. I was hoping you would reconsider and would relist the discussion. Calathan ( talk) 16:32, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Ugh, not again. Thanks for letting me know ... bots are getting too fast for their own good these days! Graham 87 03:01, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hello! It was noted during the discussion that the AfD page was incorrectly named—it was the third nomination—but also that renaming it in the middle of the discussion would be problematic. Now that it’s closed, could you please fix it? Thanks.— Odysseus1479 ( talk) 03:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
I am the person who created the Karin Magnussen page, which I crossposted to 'paolosilv.wordpress.com." I can certainly delete it from there, and let you have the page. Sorry for the inconvenience, and have a happy new years! Valleyspring ( talk) 04:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the relevant material from my wordpress.com Valleyspring ( talk) 04:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC) Thanks.
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Do you know why certain templates are displaying an odd font? Please see WP:VPT#Template font link. Simply south.... .. walking into bells for just 6 years 23:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Removing my posts will not stop the problem that UK Railways faces.
Meaningfull discussion of the problem and how to tackle it is the way forward. Bhtpbank ( talk) 01:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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You closed this discussion after only 2 days, without a consensus, infact there were more "Keeps" than "Deletes". May I ask why? I generally vote to delete these minor Christian organizations, but in this case the arena seemed quite open until you deleted it. Can I intrigue you to let this discussion run it's full course? -- Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 09:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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Just FYI Star Trek into Darkness was a fully protected page. Can't say I disagree with you, but I'm not sure how 'rouge' you wanted to be. :) Prodego talk 01:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Please explain why you moved this page when there was no consensus to do so, which violates one of the most important policies of the project. -- Scjessey ( talk) 02:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Scjessey, quit being a wikilawyering Vogon. Just because you do not agree with consensus does not mean that there isn't a consensus.
Your posts here honestly come off as nothing but a temper tantrum. I don't know whether you need to quit beating the dead horse or pull the stick out of your ass, but you need to drop it either way. Ian.thomson ( talk) 04:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee, of which I have twice been a member, will reject it because it's not an emergency situation, it's a single edit, and because other steps such as an RfC have not been exhausted. You would be further wasting everyone's time. Mackensen (talk) 12:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
This has been an unseemly, dirty business. Mackensen acted rashly and abused the bit in the process; however, I do not think it will serve any useful purpose to make more of a fuss about this then I made yesterday. I'm not happy about the way this went down, but I'm tired of swimming against the current. -- Scjessey ( talk) 15:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I have to say, as a closing thought, that I haven't seen this much foul-mouthed bad faith in years. Absolutely incredible. Mackensen (talk) 18:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
With regards to this, how about engaging in the process yourself? (I disagree with applying WP:IAR, by the way, as I don't believe rules for capitalization and common usage capitalization have to contradict each other) – ὁ οἶστρος ( talk) 12:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I've closed the latest page move as endorsing your page move. IAR is still a functional rule, I see... :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 14:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hi. I restored the reference to the Bachmann Industries model turbo train. It isn't an ad, this model train hasn't been produced for some fifty years. Regards Aloha27 ( talk) 22:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
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I see that you created Template:Rail text color, which provides colored links to rail station articles. Why? I mean, I see why the "previous/following" navboxes would use colors to indicate different rail lines, but what's the use of coloring the actual link text in the body of an article? Not only does there not seem (to me) to be a compelling reason to do this, it actually appears to run counter to an item in our Manual of Style (which, granted, was not there when you created the template, but is there now, and does seem to make sense as a general guideline). - dcljr ( talk) 00:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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I know you're following naming conventions, but I named many of those stations **** (Metra Electric) to distinguish them from other stations with identical street numbers. Just thought you ought to know. ---- DanTD ( talk) 20:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Certainly have no objection to undeletion if the permission is established. I would, however, highly recommend sending a link to the images and to the website to WP:OTRS so they can verify the permission and add a ticket number to the description. That way if the website goes dead in the future, the evidence of the license is preserved. Thanks for the heads-up and hopefully this is resolved without too much trouble. With respect - Kelly hi! 19:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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I honestly wish I could've done more, which is why I tagged it for experts. If you have any extra info you can throw into the article, by all means throw it in. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
While I'm at it, I have to congratulate you on something; Getting an image for Quantico (Amtrak station). I tried to get one in April, but the US Marines wouldn't let me use the road going towards the station. I was beginning to think I was going to have to wait another two years before I go on Amtrak's Auto Train and try to sneak a picture of the station from there. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hello Mackensen.
I wonder if I could ask you for a bit of advice and guidance on the copyright status of "self images" on userpages. Another admin has recently twice deleted a long standing userpage self image of mine snapped for me by a friend using my camera and under my direction and control (as I could obviously not take the picture of myself) as I was getting ready to work on the TV broadcast of Game 6 of the 2010 NHL Stanley Cup final in Philadelphia in June, 2010. When I asked the admin why he had deleted it (no explanation had been provided), he gave as the reason "the party who pushed the button on the camera owns the copyright to the work, not the owner of the camera." and as I did not take the photo myself (an impossibility) I "therefore have no legal right to publish this file under a free license."
This seemed to me to be an extraordinarily narrow interpretation of WP policy on copyright in the light that there are litereally hundreds of such images on WP taken under virtually identical circumstances which are accepted as "free" images with the subject of the photos listed as the copyright holder. I gave as a specific example File:Ben Schumin at Iwo Jima Memorial.jpg as well as several hundred other similarly licensed "self" images posted in the "Wikipedia:Facebook Directory" and asked what was different about my self image that made it "non-free" when it was made in exactly the same way hundreds of others licensed as "free". Despite several requests the admin has refused to answer this question, refused to restore my self image, and implied that he would block me from editing if I reuploaded it myself. This image had never been "nominated for deletion", only questioned as "possibly un-free" because I had failed to remove a watermark that I had added to it for another non-web purpose, and when this was pointed out to me I removed the watermark. The image file resided in my camera's memory card, has always been in my custody and control, and has never been used on any other website or published in print.
It has always been my understanding the Admins are not meant to behave as the "Masters" of the other members of the WP community, or as you once observed in another FFD discussion, "Bureaucracy isn't a stick with which to beat editors." I wonder if you would take a look at the discussions in which I tried to get this admin to answer my question located here, here and here and give me your thoughts on how to deal with this conundrum. I feel that my self image is being discriminated against as being the only one deleted of hundreds of similar images which have not been challenged at all. Many thanks! Centpacrr ( talk) 02:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Well, a few observations. WP:PUF is a deletion discussion; I've listed files there myself. It's sort of a proposed deletion mechanism for files. There's nothing improper about the process used, and I'm afraid that your full-throated attack on Fastily over process concerns was counterproductive.
The file was singled out not because the image folks hate you (that part comes later), but because the presence of a watermark, coupled with incomplete source information, are red flags. Nothing about this is unreasonable. Now, the problem is that you've got a really antagonistic relationship with the image folks, and I hope you won't take offense when I say that I agree that your understanding of copyright is incomplete. That's nothing to be ashamed of; copyright law is this country is an utter nightmare. It does mean, however, that they're unlikely to accept your explanations about the source of an image. Strictly speaking Fastily is correct; an image at the instance of creation belongs to the creator. The reason SchuminWeb's image was ignored is because no one tweaked--there's no watermark or anything else. And I have seen some of his images get challenged on Commons.
I've uploaded several pictures where a friend pulled the trigger (I'm not fool enough to point them out but they can be found). In each case the friend understood why I was having the picture taken, and verbally assigned the rights to me. I've never bothered having him email WP:OTRS or some such to confirm this transfer, but if it came to that I could. I think in a situation like this such rigmarole really ought to be unnecessary; assuming that's you in the image (and I have no reason to assume otherwise) you really should have been given the benefit of the doubt. That you weren't is understandable, if unfortunate, given your past history.
So, process. You have asked Fastily to reverse himself. He has declined. It's his right to do so. You have two options. You can challenge the deletion at WP:DRV, or you can have your friend send you an email stating explicitly that he releases the image under some free license. I know a couple image guys who have OTRS access and are pretty stand-up administrators (I think one's even running for Arbcom). I would be more than happy to help you with either process, but I think DRV would be a mistake. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Direct answer to Baseball Bugs. The rule is consistent and not special (images are owned by the creator), but not enforced very often. The presence of the watermark was the kicker. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
That's your right, of course, and I've learned the hard way over the years that convincing someone not to quit isn't worth the pain and frustration. You're taking a policy matter personally, which is always a mistake. There's a few things going on here. First of all, the project's view on copyright has changed substantially since you started here. This derives in large part from the realization that the inclusion of "fair use" material isn't very compatible with the creation of a free-content encyclopedia and also from the increasing professionalization of certain aspects of the project.
Copyright is complicated; I work at a university and I can tell you many professors have no idea how it works, and their livelihood depends on it! An image that is watermarked with a Stanley Cup logo isn't at first glance a free image, and just removing the watermark isn't very reassuring. Your assertions about the image weren't taken at face value not because there's a vendetta against you, but because in the past you've made wild assertions about images and copyright coupled with personal attacks on other editors. I think we first encountered each other during the Pioneer Zephyr discussions; I only carried the day by disassociating myself from the statements you were making.
Again, enforcement isn't so much selective as incomplete. It's a big project with a limited number of users and people deal with things as they come to them. Furthermore, if someone went through all the WP:FACEBOOK images they'd no doubt be accused of going on a deletion spree!
Ultimately this is all beside the point. The goal of Wikipedia is to create a free-content encyclopedia. User images, watermarked or no, have very little to do with this. I consider copyright enforcement a necessary evil, but I think it's possible to do business with the administrators involved if you come to it with (a) a positive attitude and (b) at least a grounding in US copyright law and Wikipedia's interpretation of it (which is very strict).
Anyway, I wish you all the best. By my count I have changed the way I participate here at least three times in response to various stimuli, both within and without the project. I hope that you can come to some kind of accommodation. Mackensen (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
(Outdent) Bugs, that's the way I see it. Also, no one has formally challenged SchuminWeb's image. I think it would be pointy and disruptive to do so. Mackensen (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
On re-reading Fastily's talk page I'm concerned enough to open a DRV. It's here: Wikipedia:Deletion_review#File:Centpacrr.jpg. I think I've stated the issues plainly. Centpacrr, I must emphasize that if you go for somebody's head (not that I'd blame you) it will not turn out well. I would just reiterate that a friend took the picture, that you had the watermark on it because you used it elsewhere, and leave it at that. It's Fastily, not you, who will have to justify his actions. Mackensen (talk) 15:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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Mackensen - you added a hatnote to Berkeley Student Cooperative noting that the Hoyt Hall at U of Miami is at a different place. If you think it's notable enough, make Hoyt Hall redirect to the one in Ohio, and put a hatnote there redirecting people to the Berkeley Student Coop instead - the reason that Hoyt Hall redirects to the Berkeley Student Ccop is that there used to be articles for each house in the system, which have (mostly) been merged into one, with redirects. Argyriou (talk) 00:39, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that you have written a Wikipedia page on the debates over the Schlieffen Plan( User:Mackensen/Schlieffen Plan), and I was wondering if we should add some of the material in your article to the article on the Schlieffen Plan. Even though I have some interest in the topic of World War I, I am definitely not an expert on the Schlieffen plan or military history in general. That is why I would like to know your opinion regarding the idea of adding material from your article to Schlieffen Plan.
My reason for asking this question is that last October, a contributor to Wikipedia tried to add to the article on the Schlieffen Plan the opinion of Zuber that the canonical view of the Schlieffen Plan is not accurate. The problem was that he did not know how to edit the article according to the encyclopedic format. Consequently, his comments were removed from the article by another contributor, and after that, an administrator transferred the comments to the talk page and said that they were worthy of the attention of an expert. Another contributor has since stated that his concerns should be addressed. If you go to Talk:Schlieffen Plan, they are under the heading "Comments of 65.78.225.28".
If his concerns are valid, then we can address them by moving material from your article to Schlieffen plan. Please let me know your thoughts on this. JDefauw ( talk) 02:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)JDefauw
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Regarding this, I wanted to let you know that I have opened this sockpuppetry report. • Jesse V. (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Any chance you might be considering it again? : ) - jc37 17:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
This talk page section brought a big smile to my face. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 18:06, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Somewhat ignorant of coding or otherwise I cannot make head or tail out of the problem stated at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Orderinchaos - it would be great to either have an explanation of how it works, or an excuse to dismantle the format and start again... Satu Suro 14:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
was wanting to tweak the terminology re the particular railway line, the operators name, the actual stopping places versus the actual historical list of locations on the line, and a few other things - is there a simpler form of template? Satu Suro 22:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Like this? Different termini would require more tweaking, but this example stands alone. Mackensen (talk) 03:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your example - getting close, looks good!! - but problem is there are some stopping places in between who were WAGR stopping places but no longer are (ie technically 3 diff systems - Transwa (predecessors WAGR Steam, WAGR Deisel) so x place - can be utilised by all 3 wagr steam, wagr diesel, transwa) with variations in between... Satu Suro 05:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Moving mockup below. I'm going to show two different takes. Mackensen (talk) 12:39, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
=== Mockup ===
{{s-rail-start}}
{{s-rail|title=Transwa}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|previous=Harvey|next=Bunbury}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Diesel|previous=Somewhere|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1995|note2=Closed 1995|rows2=2}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Steam|previous=Some third location|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1956|hide2=yes}}
{{end}}
{{s-rail-start}}
{{s-rail|title=Transwa}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|previous=Harvey|next=Bunbury}}
{{s-note|text=Former [[Western Australian Government Railways|WAGR]] services}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Diesel|previous=Somewhere|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1995|note2=Closed 1995|rows2=2}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|branch=WAGR Steam|previous=Some third location|next=Somewhere else|note=Closed 1956|hide2=yes}}
{{end}}
w0w - thanks for the effort - with these examples I have something to work with - thank you for your effort - I just have to get a handle of a few lists I need to get and work out which way to present the info - and find the time to get the material in - the examples are very useful - appreciate that - cheers Satu Suro 12:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
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thanks! Azylber ( talk) 03:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, I noticed that you closed the AFD for Highest-grossing films in overseas markets as delete. I'm disappointed that the discussion didn't get relisted again. Every single delete vote occurred before I pointed out additional sources and clarified what the subject actually was. Many of the people in favor of deleting the topic were saying it should be deleted because the subject was unclear, but actually the subject as covered in the sources is fairly clear, and it was just the poorly chosen name of the article that made the Wikipedia article unclear. In addition some of the delete votes were based on the assumption that the list was made just by subtracting numbers in one list from another, when actually it is a topic discussed in and of itself. Now that the topic has been clarified and more sources have been pointed out, I think it is possible that people would have a different opinion on whether the article should be kept or deleted. I was hoping you would reconsider and would relist the discussion. Calathan ( talk) 16:32, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Ugh, not again. Thanks for letting me know ... bots are getting too fast for their own good these days! Graham 87 03:01, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hello! It was noted during the discussion that the AfD page was incorrectly named—it was the third nomination—but also that renaming it in the middle of the discussion would be problematic. Now that it’s closed, could you please fix it? Thanks.— Odysseus1479 ( talk) 03:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
I am the person who created the Karin Magnussen page, which I crossposted to 'paolosilv.wordpress.com." I can certainly delete it from there, and let you have the page. Sorry for the inconvenience, and have a happy new years! Valleyspring ( talk) 04:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the relevant material from my wordpress.com Valleyspring ( talk) 04:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC) Thanks.
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Mackensen: Thanks for the change, but now we get a circular redirect on the talk page. Can you fix please?-- S. Rich ( talk) 06:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Do you know why certain templates are displaying an odd font? Please see WP:VPT#Template font link. Simply south.... .. walking into bells for just 6 years 23:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Removing my posts will not stop the problem that UK Railways faces.
Meaningfull discussion of the problem and how to tackle it is the way forward. Bhtpbank ( talk) 01:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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You closed this discussion after only 2 days, without a consensus, infact there were more "Keeps" than "Deletes". May I ask why? I generally vote to delete these minor Christian organizations, but in this case the arena seemed quite open until you deleted it. Can I intrigue you to let this discussion run it's full course? -- Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 09:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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this is what you want, but I'm sure you already knew that. Frietjes ( talk) 21:56, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Just FYI Star Trek into Darkness was a fully protected page. Can't say I disagree with you, but I'm not sure how 'rouge' you wanted to be. :) Prodego talk 01:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Please explain why you moved this page when there was no consensus to do so, which violates one of the most important policies of the project. -- Scjessey ( talk) 02:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Scjessey, quit being a wikilawyering Vogon. Just because you do not agree with consensus does not mean that there isn't a consensus.
Your posts here honestly come off as nothing but a temper tantrum. I don't know whether you need to quit beating the dead horse or pull the stick out of your ass, but you need to drop it either way. Ian.thomson ( talk) 04:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee, of which I have twice been a member, will reject it because it's not an emergency situation, it's a single edit, and because other steps such as an RfC have not been exhausted. You would be further wasting everyone's time. Mackensen (talk) 12:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
This has been an unseemly, dirty business. Mackensen acted rashly and abused the bit in the process; however, I do not think it will serve any useful purpose to make more of a fuss about this then I made yesterday. I'm not happy about the way this went down, but I'm tired of swimming against the current. -- Scjessey ( talk) 15:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I have to say, as a closing thought, that I haven't seen this much foul-mouthed bad faith in years. Absolutely incredible. Mackensen (talk) 18:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
With regards to this, how about engaging in the process yourself? (I disagree with applying WP:IAR, by the way, as I don't believe rules for capitalization and common usage capitalization have to contradict each other) – ὁ οἶστρος ( talk) 12:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I've closed the latest page move as endorsing your page move. IAR is still a functional rule, I see... :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 14:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hi. I restored the reference to the Bachmann Industries model turbo train. It isn't an ad, this model train hasn't been produced for some fifty years. Regards Aloha27 ( talk) 22:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey Mackensen; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 21:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I see that you created Template:Rail text color, which provides colored links to rail station articles. Why? I mean, I see why the "previous/following" navboxes would use colors to indicate different rail lines, but what's the use of coloring the actual link text in the body of an article? Not only does there not seem (to me) to be a compelling reason to do this, it actually appears to run counter to an item in our Manual of Style (which, granted, was not there when you created the template, but is there now, and does seem to make sense as a general guideline). - dcljr ( talk) 00:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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