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Do you have any idea how I could contact him for an interview? His name came up during an interview about the author James Robert Baker, and I have some questions I'd like to ask him. Thanks, Jeffpw 12:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I have made the request to consider re wording of WP:SPS to have a more concise and simple definition. Could you please help with this? Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Self_Published_Sources_is_worded_in_a_way_which_is_too_broad
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Thanks for improving Feminine essence concept of transsexuality by adding this information. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 01:40, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment at Talk:Femininity. That whole issue has been very frustrating, and it was good to find out I wasn't the only one who had objections to some of the logic being used. -- Aronoel ( talk) 02:55, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I am uninterested in working on this, however, a section which has the heading "To Family Members" is simply not encyclopedic. The rest of the article is not bad...but that section is deplorable. If you want to work on the ostracism aspect of the article, I have no problem with it, indeed it must be included. But, at the very least, the heading needs to go, and the rest of it looks like copy from a 3-fold pamphlet. Trying to avoid an edit war here. Oberonfitch ( talk) 14:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I had what I feel is just cause for deleting the cited content you have reinstated under the articles Causes of Transsexualism ("Causes") and Gender Identity Disorder ("GID"): 1.) The citation does not state that gender dysphoria is "closely related to transsexualism" and the question of it (or transsexualism; it's not made clear) being a mental disorder is irrelevant to Causes. 2.) The source, which claims "gender dysphoria ... is not a mental illness." is misused in the article GID to say "GID is not medically classified as a mental illness." Some additional notes: 3.) Gender dysphoria as a term is not interchangeable with either transsexualism or GID 4.) If the NHS does not classify GID as a mental disorder then it contends with sources such as the DSM-IV (cited in GID) an the ICD-9 (not cited). It should not be represented to discuss all classification of GID. 5.) The statement "GID is not medically classified..." in the GID article is absurd when a large part of the article is dedicated to discussing the movement to remove GID as a mental disorder.
I thank you for your consideration on this matter, and would much appreciate if you make corrections to those articles with the above in mind. Theinactivist ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Also for your deletion of my summary of the Controversy section be very clear that all material formerly removed was redundant to the article, including both citations listed later. I don't see how a summary constitutes original research but I do know that original research includes the compiling of scientific evidence to assert an argument that is not made by any cited authority -- what was done by Windupbird525 before me. If my statement is too "ungrammatical" to salvage then I suggest removing the entire paragraph. Theinactivist ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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You reverted a cleanup edit I made on John Money article. The portion I edited has been tagged has containing repetition for 10 month without significative edits. The portion i removed was in part a content similar to that of the previous 4 paragraphs, and in part details about the David Reimer case which is detailed in the corresponding article.
I did so to have an article that more or less correspond to the standard of quality required by wikipedia - existing article, with two competing versions of the same Sex reassignment controversy—David Reimer subtitle, being clearly not an acceptable article. I also tried to keep all relevant information, either in J Money or in Reimer articles. If you wish to make a more subtle edit, leading to a better quality article, i'd be glad, but returning to previous state of the article is in my mind not a good option. -- Dwarfpower ( talk) 14:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for all your hard work on trans-related articles. I had just checked the history for Transsexualism to see if I made any oops-es that had to be corrected and noticed all your edits (including reverting vandalism---it is a sad state of society that people sling around the word "transsexual" as an insult, or any other LGBT term for that matter---maybe I should start using "cis-gendered" and "heteronormative" as insults! *g*). Again, your work is deeply appreciated.["A+++++ WIKIPEDIAER, WOULD READ FROM AGAIN!!!!"] os ( talk) 08:57, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Bonze blayk. Will you weigh in on the above linked discussion to help us come to a new consensus? Flyer22 ( talk) 04:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
and AFAIK Brig. Nikolić fails entirely to meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability (WP:N) - thank you!
To which I would respond: "Your knowledge is inadequate".
If I got off my bum, I could unambiguously establish his notability, with heaps of
WP:RS in less than an hour. But, given that it's late in the evening, getting a good night's sleep is more important. And if I can do it, then you yourself are more than capable of doing it too. Given that you are making your claims based on ignorance, perhaps you should inform yourself and do something productive, rather than sitting back and doing nothing and being destructive?
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What do you make of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Sexual identity? Both articles are a mess, and the way "sexual identity" is being used is WP:OR (somewhat anyway). Flyer22 ( talk) 02:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm trying to start a deletion review of Category:Gay Wikipedians, and by association; also Category:Transexual Wikipedians. Please consider weighing in on the discussion. Thank you. Ncboy2010 ( talk) 13:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I request a source for your statement that the gender binary discriminates against binary (mtf and ftm) transgender people. I go to the Ingersoll gender center and have never heard of the gender binary concept ever discriminating against binary people. I want a source that says it affects binary transgender/transsexual people.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 23:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
None of these sources state exclusively that binary trans people are being discriminated against by the gender binary.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 01:14, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=VhfrmAM5WbYC&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=%22Whipping+Girl%22+Binary&source=bl&ots=GjVlWzN3Uv&sig=T6Og14brtJS1dxHdzc5XyBcM810&hl=en#v=onepage&q=gender%20binary&f=false Okay now that should prove to you that I searched the book that you requested me to search. NO WHERE in this book does it say that the gender binary causes discrimination against binary (masculine trans men or feminine trans women) transgender people. It does talk about how it affects intersex, non-binary gender identities and androgynous gender expressions which are all NON-BINARY. However I will give you 24 hours to find a source before I revert again.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 01:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys. el3ctr0nika here. I was wondering where all the discussion went. Hope I'm not intruding.
Rainbowofpeace: I really feel that your thinking is much too narrow/black and white here. You state on your user page that you have high-functioning autism, so I would imagine that that is why you seem to be having such difficulty "thinking outside of the box" in this case (not trying to offend). Don't get me wrong, I can and do empathize — I lean towards the autistic spectrum myself (to the extent that I was diagnosed with PDD-NOS when I was younger) and have had difficulty with black and white thinking as well — but please do at least attempt to make an effort to break out of it as best you can and to try to see where we're coming from on the matter.
Anyway, here's my attempt at explaining bonze's and I's point: "Binarism" (as you define it) relates to external gender expression just as much as it does to internal gender identity, if not much more so. In other words, binarism has more to do with the expression of gender variance rather than with how a person identifies internally. As an example, which scenario do you think would provoke more binarist discrimination: a) a large, masculine guy putting on a frilly pink dress; or b) the same guy stating that he feels more like a girl inside? The answer should be pretty obvious. Anyway, my point is this: because binarism is provoked mainly by gender variance rather than identity necessarily, it unquestionably has the potential to affect binary-identified individuals as well. In fact, since non-binary identities make up such a small portion of the population, I would imagine that, as a whole/purely in terms of amount, binarism affects gender variant binary-identified people much more in comparison. As a result, I feel that it is common sense that binarism does not apply solely to non-binary-identified people, and hence, I do not think a source that definitively states that "binarism may affect transgender and/or cisgender people as well" is at all necessary.
Also, recall that there are more attributes to gender than simply identity. The binarism article formerly listed the following attributes: gender/sexual identity, sexual preference/orientation, gender presentation/expression, gender/sex role, chromosome type, and genital morphology (also secondary sexual characteristics). Variation in any one of these can potentially result in a given individual falling outside of the gender binary to some degree. As an example, binary-identified/cisgender lesbians technically do not fall entirely into the gender binary on account of their non-binary sexual orientation, and many also display varying degrees of variance in gender expression (e.g., butch lesbians), which is another non-binary characteristic. As another example, binary-identified transsexuals as a rule have non-binary chromosome types, and there is the potential for them to display some degree of non-binary variation in virtually every one of the attributes listed above (e.g., non-ops in regards to genital morphology, variation in secondary sexual characteristics (since hormones simply can't reverse all of the effects of puberty of course), homosexual/bisexual sexual preferences, gender variance in behavioral expression (e.g., tomboyism in MTFs, which is relatively common I believe), etc). As a result of all this, I think that it's fairly obvious that transsexual and even cissexual individuals can be affected by binarism; indeed, I feel that transsexual people by definition are affected by it; and if you still feel compelled to pursue the matter, I would have to ask you to provide a citation that states that binarism only applies solely to gender identity and not to any of these other attributes of sex and gender as well.
I've gotta go for now, but I'll be back later tonight.
— el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 21:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
P.S.: Rainbowofpeace: I've left you a couple messages in different places but you've yet to respond to either of them. I was just wondering if you are you planning on doing so? — el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 21:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I havn't been on in a while. I want you all to know that there is a difference between transphobia and binarism. Transphobia is discrimination by a non-match of sex, gender identity or gender expression. Therefore what you are talking about specifically fits in that. However only the androgynous gender expression would completely fit outside the gender binary. Therefore intersex, various forms of non-binary gender identity and androgynous gender expression would be what binarism would target. Please try and remember this is not synonmous with transphobia. I'- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 21:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
And second of all I'm getting tired of this stop ignoring other non-binary identites thing. I put "non-binary transgender people." I DID NOT put "genderqueer trans people." If you want to throw in binary cis or trans people that is fine but I will continue to demand a source which I have the right to do according to wikipedias policies.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 22:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)]
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Beg pardon, el3ctr0nika and Rainbowofpeace, I strongly prefer that you conduct your dialog somewhere other than my Talk page?
Also, I've updated the Gender binary with a citation of "Whipping Girl" to support the claim that Rainbowofpeace has disputed. And here's more food for thought for you, Rainbowofpeace, if you care to persist in your remarkable claim that binary-identified transgender or transsexual persons do not suffer from discrimination due the strict enforcement of the gender binary - which involves not just "gender identity", but concordance between sex and gender, where those who identify as cross-gendered are subjected to harsh treatment - well, death, actually, in all too many cases. THE TRANS WOMEN'S ANTI-VIOLENCE PROJECT - this is a self-published blog on tumblr, but the cases discussed here are pretty bloody awful, and are typically based on WP:RS news sources. Thank you… - bonze blayk ( talk) 00:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
How many times do I need to tell you that I acknowledge the discrimination against binary trans people (its called Transphobia). But I'm saying there is a clear difference between transphobia and binarism. Much like there is a difference between racism and antisemitism. Sure binarism is a form of transphobia just like antisemitism is a form of racism but binarism is a specific form that is about a particular group of people. Now I will tell you exactly what I am looking for. I want you to find me an article in which it says that a form of discrimination against a binary identified trans person was caused due to the gender binary. Not just something on transphobia, not just something on attacks against trans people. Now do you get it. Not all Transphobia is Binarism. Thank you.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 03:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Fine then, answer one question What line in the whipping girl specifically says that misogyny is caused by the gender binary. if you can find that then I will back off. As I said I'm not just looking for discrimination against trans women. I'm looking for discrimination based on the gender binary. There is a reason why binarism is different from transphobia although technically binarism is one form of transphobia along with trans-misogyny and trans-misandry.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 05:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
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Do you have any idea how I could contact him for an interview? His name came up during an interview about the author James Robert Baker, and I have some questions I'd like to ask him. Thanks, Jeffpw 12:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I have made the request to consider re wording of WP:SPS to have a more concise and simple definition. Could you please help with this? Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Self_Published_Sources_is_worded_in_a_way_which_is_too_broad
Thanks -- Hfarmer ( talk) 14:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for improving Feminine essence concept of transsexuality by adding this information. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 01:40, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment at Talk:Femininity. That whole issue has been very frustrating, and it was good to find out I wasn't the only one who had objections to some of the logic being used. -- Aronoel ( talk) 02:55, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I am uninterested in working on this, however, a section which has the heading "To Family Members" is simply not encyclopedic. The rest of the article is not bad...but that section is deplorable. If you want to work on the ostracism aspect of the article, I have no problem with it, indeed it must be included. But, at the very least, the heading needs to go, and the rest of it looks like copy from a 3-fold pamphlet. Trying to avoid an edit war here. Oberonfitch ( talk) 14:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I had what I feel is just cause for deleting the cited content you have reinstated under the articles Causes of Transsexualism ("Causes") and Gender Identity Disorder ("GID"): 1.) The citation does not state that gender dysphoria is "closely related to transsexualism" and the question of it (or transsexualism; it's not made clear) being a mental disorder is irrelevant to Causes. 2.) The source, which claims "gender dysphoria ... is not a mental illness." is misused in the article GID to say "GID is not medically classified as a mental illness." Some additional notes: 3.) Gender dysphoria as a term is not interchangeable with either transsexualism or GID 4.) If the NHS does not classify GID as a mental disorder then it contends with sources such as the DSM-IV (cited in GID) an the ICD-9 (not cited). It should not be represented to discuss all classification of GID. 5.) The statement "GID is not medically classified..." in the GID article is absurd when a large part of the article is dedicated to discussing the movement to remove GID as a mental disorder.
I thank you for your consideration on this matter, and would much appreciate if you make corrections to those articles with the above in mind. Theinactivist ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Also for your deletion of my summary of the Controversy section be very clear that all material formerly removed was redundant to the article, including both citations listed later. I don't see how a summary constitutes original research but I do know that original research includes the compiling of scientific evidence to assert an argument that is not made by any cited authority -- what was done by Windupbird525 before me. If my statement is too "ungrammatical" to salvage then I suggest removing the entire paragraph. Theinactivist ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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You reverted a cleanup edit I made on John Money article. The portion I edited has been tagged has containing repetition for 10 month without significative edits. The portion i removed was in part a content similar to that of the previous 4 paragraphs, and in part details about the David Reimer case which is detailed in the corresponding article.
I did so to have an article that more or less correspond to the standard of quality required by wikipedia - existing article, with two competing versions of the same Sex reassignment controversy—David Reimer subtitle, being clearly not an acceptable article. I also tried to keep all relevant information, either in J Money or in Reimer articles. If you wish to make a more subtle edit, leading to a better quality article, i'd be glad, but returning to previous state of the article is in my mind not a good option. -- Dwarfpower ( talk) 14:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for all your hard work on trans-related articles. I had just checked the history for Transsexualism to see if I made any oops-es that had to be corrected and noticed all your edits (including reverting vandalism---it is a sad state of society that people sling around the word "transsexual" as an insult, or any other LGBT term for that matter---maybe I should start using "cis-gendered" and "heteronormative" as insults! *g*). Again, your work is deeply appreciated.["A+++++ WIKIPEDIAER, WOULD READ FROM AGAIN!!!!"] os ( talk) 08:57, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Bonze blayk. Will you weigh in on the above linked discussion to help us come to a new consensus? Flyer22 ( talk) 04:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
and AFAIK Brig. Nikolić fails entirely to meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability (WP:N) - thank you!
To which I would respond: "Your knowledge is inadequate".
If I got off my bum, I could unambiguously establish his notability, with heaps of
WP:RS in less than an hour. But, given that it's late in the evening, getting a good night's sleep is more important. And if I can do it, then you yourself are more than capable of doing it too. Given that you are making your claims based on ignorance, perhaps you should inform yourself and do something productive, rather than sitting back and doing nothing and being destructive?
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What do you make of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Sexual identity? Both articles are a mess, and the way "sexual identity" is being used is WP:OR (somewhat anyway). Flyer22 ( talk) 02:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm trying to start a deletion review of Category:Gay Wikipedians, and by association; also Category:Transexual Wikipedians. Please consider weighing in on the discussion. Thank you. Ncboy2010 ( talk) 13:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I request a source for your statement that the gender binary discriminates against binary (mtf and ftm) transgender people. I go to the Ingersoll gender center and have never heard of the gender binary concept ever discriminating against binary people. I want a source that says it affects binary transgender/transsexual people.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 23:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
None of these sources state exclusively that binary trans people are being discriminated against by the gender binary.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 01:14, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=VhfrmAM5WbYC&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=%22Whipping+Girl%22+Binary&source=bl&ots=GjVlWzN3Uv&sig=T6Og14brtJS1dxHdzc5XyBcM810&hl=en#v=onepage&q=gender%20binary&f=false Okay now that should prove to you that I searched the book that you requested me to search. NO WHERE in this book does it say that the gender binary causes discrimination against binary (masculine trans men or feminine trans women) transgender people. It does talk about how it affects intersex, non-binary gender identities and androgynous gender expressions which are all NON-BINARY. However I will give you 24 hours to find a source before I revert again.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 01:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys. el3ctr0nika here. I was wondering where all the discussion went. Hope I'm not intruding.
Rainbowofpeace: I really feel that your thinking is much too narrow/black and white here. You state on your user page that you have high-functioning autism, so I would imagine that that is why you seem to be having such difficulty "thinking outside of the box" in this case (not trying to offend). Don't get me wrong, I can and do empathize — I lean towards the autistic spectrum myself (to the extent that I was diagnosed with PDD-NOS when I was younger) and have had difficulty with black and white thinking as well — but please do at least attempt to make an effort to break out of it as best you can and to try to see where we're coming from on the matter.
Anyway, here's my attempt at explaining bonze's and I's point: "Binarism" (as you define it) relates to external gender expression just as much as it does to internal gender identity, if not much more so. In other words, binarism has more to do with the expression of gender variance rather than with how a person identifies internally. As an example, which scenario do you think would provoke more binarist discrimination: a) a large, masculine guy putting on a frilly pink dress; or b) the same guy stating that he feels more like a girl inside? The answer should be pretty obvious. Anyway, my point is this: because binarism is provoked mainly by gender variance rather than identity necessarily, it unquestionably has the potential to affect binary-identified individuals as well. In fact, since non-binary identities make up such a small portion of the population, I would imagine that, as a whole/purely in terms of amount, binarism affects gender variant binary-identified people much more in comparison. As a result, I feel that it is common sense that binarism does not apply solely to non-binary-identified people, and hence, I do not think a source that definitively states that "binarism may affect transgender and/or cisgender people as well" is at all necessary.
Also, recall that there are more attributes to gender than simply identity. The binarism article formerly listed the following attributes: gender/sexual identity, sexual preference/orientation, gender presentation/expression, gender/sex role, chromosome type, and genital morphology (also secondary sexual characteristics). Variation in any one of these can potentially result in a given individual falling outside of the gender binary to some degree. As an example, binary-identified/cisgender lesbians technically do not fall entirely into the gender binary on account of their non-binary sexual orientation, and many also display varying degrees of variance in gender expression (e.g., butch lesbians), which is another non-binary characteristic. As another example, binary-identified transsexuals as a rule have non-binary chromosome types, and there is the potential for them to display some degree of non-binary variation in virtually every one of the attributes listed above (e.g., non-ops in regards to genital morphology, variation in secondary sexual characteristics (since hormones simply can't reverse all of the effects of puberty of course), homosexual/bisexual sexual preferences, gender variance in behavioral expression (e.g., tomboyism in MTFs, which is relatively common I believe), etc). As a result of all this, I think that it's fairly obvious that transsexual and even cissexual individuals can be affected by binarism; indeed, I feel that transsexual people by definition are affected by it; and if you still feel compelled to pursue the matter, I would have to ask you to provide a citation that states that binarism only applies solely to gender identity and not to any of these other attributes of sex and gender as well.
I've gotta go for now, but I'll be back later tonight.
— el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 21:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
P.S.: Rainbowofpeace: I've left you a couple messages in different places but you've yet to respond to either of them. I was just wondering if you are you planning on doing so? — el3ctr0nika ( Talk | Contribs) 21:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I havn't been on in a while. I want you all to know that there is a difference between transphobia and binarism. Transphobia is discrimination by a non-match of sex, gender identity or gender expression. Therefore what you are talking about specifically fits in that. However only the androgynous gender expression would completely fit outside the gender binary. Therefore intersex, various forms of non-binary gender identity and androgynous gender expression would be what binarism would target. Please try and remember this is not synonmous with transphobia. I'- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 21:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
And second of all I'm getting tired of this stop ignoring other non-binary identites thing. I put "non-binary transgender people." I DID NOT put "genderqueer trans people." If you want to throw in binary cis or trans people that is fine but I will continue to demand a source which I have the right to do according to wikipedias policies.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 22:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)]
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Beg pardon, el3ctr0nika and Rainbowofpeace, I strongly prefer that you conduct your dialog somewhere other than my Talk page?
Also, I've updated the Gender binary with a citation of "Whipping Girl" to support the claim that Rainbowofpeace has disputed. And here's more food for thought for you, Rainbowofpeace, if you care to persist in your remarkable claim that binary-identified transgender or transsexual persons do not suffer from discrimination due the strict enforcement of the gender binary - which involves not just "gender identity", but concordance between sex and gender, where those who identify as cross-gendered are subjected to harsh treatment - well, death, actually, in all too many cases. THE TRANS WOMEN'S ANTI-VIOLENCE PROJECT - this is a self-published blog on tumblr, but the cases discussed here are pretty bloody awful, and are typically based on WP:RS news sources. Thank you… - bonze blayk ( talk) 00:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
How many times do I need to tell you that I acknowledge the discrimination against binary trans people (its called Transphobia). But I'm saying there is a clear difference between transphobia and binarism. Much like there is a difference between racism and antisemitism. Sure binarism is a form of transphobia just like antisemitism is a form of racism but binarism is a specific form that is about a particular group of people. Now I will tell you exactly what I am looking for. I want you to find me an article in which it says that a form of discrimination against a binary identified trans person was caused due to the gender binary. Not just something on transphobia, not just something on attacks against trans people. Now do you get it. Not all Transphobia is Binarism. Thank you.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 03:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Fine then, answer one question What line in the whipping girl specifically says that misogyny is caused by the gender binary. if you can find that then I will back off. As I said I'm not just looking for discrimination against trans women. I'm looking for discrimination based on the gender binary. There is a reason why binarism is different from transphobia although technically binarism is one form of transphobia along with trans-misogyny and trans-misandry.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 05:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
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