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INTERVENTIONS (and effectiveness)
PursuitOfPublicHealth ( talk) 15:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I just stumbled across this [1] . I dont now how real it is but its worrying. There is a Wikipedia article on Chris McKinstry. His blog looks as though he's just taken his life. Lumos3 23:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
This article lacks any kind of citation or sources for all the statements made. A source for the "intervention for recurrent suicide attempters is being developed which involves a combination of open discussion of the daily lived experience of individuals who have made repeated suicide attempts, and teaching new skills that can be used to 'stay safe'" would be helpful, as well as a source for each heading. Thehatinthecat 13:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
We do not typically put help lines on the top of articles. Specifically since this one was country specific. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
They all seem to be US sourced. Might be worth adding examples from elsewhere, if anyone can source some. Dolescum ( talk) 18:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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Not sure why these were removed?
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 19:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi, as an assignment for a college psych class, I will be contributing to this page. These are two sources that I will be consulting for my contribution [1] and [2] Cooks2 ( talk) 04:19, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
References
I suggest that the book Suicide Prohibition: The Shame of Medicine by psychiatrist Thomas Szasz be added to the further reading section. Michael Ten ( talk) 04:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
With respect to this "The average suicide costs $1,329,553. This amount consists of lost productivity following the suicide attempt as well as the cost of medical treatment." [2]
This is an estimate only about the US. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
According to this researcher, a physician, it appears that much of the research on lithium and suicidality is based on lithium cessation studies, not lithium administration in lithium-naive, suicidal individuals. Her conclusion:
"So there is the evidence on lithium and suicide. The meta-analysis that has been accepted as demonstrating that lithium prevents suicide spuriously inflated the suicide rate on placebo by excluding studies in which no suicides occurred. The only double blind, prospective study designed to test whether lithium reduces suicide in people at high risk, ended up unblinding many of its participants, and in any case suicidal events were low in both groups." https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/07/lithium-and-suicide-what-does-the-evidence-show/
Thus, lithium may not be the effective remedy that the main article suggests it is, and it may be worth identifying that the evidence is less clearly in favor of it as a valuable intervention for suicidality. I hope that helps. Gaom83 ( talk) 02:23, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Gaom83 I agree, I think the "Medication" section should either say something like
"Several different medications have been shown to reduce suicidality, such as ... (list)"
However, as there are multiple classes of such medications and multiple examples of each, used in different circumstances, I think it would be better to say something like
"Medication to prevent suicide primarily involves addressing the psychiatric conditions which increase one's risk of suicide; E.g. by treating depression with anti-depressants, manic depression/bipolar disorder with mood stabilisers, schizophrenia with antpsychotics etc."
Also, effective treatment regimens for any one person with a psychiatric condition that causes suicidality often take several years to be developed, because different people will respond differently to the same medications.
I think it's also worth mentioning that in some conditions medication alone is limited in reducing suicidality (especially in the long term), [1] and best practice stresses the importance of psychology/counseling for therapy/preventing suicide.
Anyway yes, I share a similar concern with this section in that people might get the wrong impression that taking lithium/medication alone is the best/primary/only way to prevent suicide.
Bonomiu ( talk) 11:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Bonomiu
I don't think there is any difference between suicide prevention and intervention, those names seem to refer to the same concept. Wouldn't the reader be better served if we had only one article about this? Thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I am doing this for a class and I'm totally new to editing Wikipedia, but from my perspective, I feel like this article has a lot of good information but could use some work structurally and grammatically. I made some changes myself with the grammar, but I do feel like there are more areas that could use some restructuring to help it flow just a little better and I doubt I caught all the grammatical issues. 1Kayla246 ( talk) 03:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
@ HJ Mitchell: Can you help explain what is wrong with my text? I've asked someone else before and all they said was "look at the referencing guide" which I had done already and thought it was good. I believe this information to be useful to be added to Wikipedia, so let me know what I can do to improve it. Nikkivaneijk ( talk) 08:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
The first image is of the “National Suicide Prevention Lifeline”, which has now become the “988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline“, which has it’s own logo ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:988_Suicide_%26_Crisis_Lifeline_logo_-_navy_-_square.svg). The image and caption should be changed. Tankpiggy18 ( talk) 00:40, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
May I suggest we add a link to meta:Mental health resources, perhaps as a hatnote, that imitates the language of {{ Self-harm}}? The latter is often added as a talk page header on suicide-related talk pages, but the primary audience for talk page headers is editors, who aren't particularly at risk, when that information would be most beneficial if it were instead directed to visitors, many of whom are presumably visiting suicide-related pages for a reason. DFlhb ( talk) 15:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) regarding the use of suicide crisis telephone numbers (which this article includes). The thread is Suicide hotlines. Thank you. TheSpacebook ( talk) 01:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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INTERVENTIONS (and effectiveness)
PursuitOfPublicHealth ( talk) 15:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I just stumbled across this [1] . I dont now how real it is but its worrying. There is a Wikipedia article on Chris McKinstry. His blog looks as though he's just taken his life. Lumos3 23:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
This article lacks any kind of citation or sources for all the statements made. A source for the "intervention for recurrent suicide attempters is being developed which involves a combination of open discussion of the daily lived experience of individuals who have made repeated suicide attempts, and teaching new skills that can be used to 'stay safe'" would be helpful, as well as a source for each heading. Thehatinthecat 13:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
We do not typically put help lines on the top of articles. Specifically since this one was country specific. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
They all seem to be US sourced. Might be worth adding examples from elsewhere, if anyone can source some. Dolescum ( talk) 18:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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Can this article be reviewed(if anything is missing, do discuss them in this talk page) and nominated for GA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.215.194.228 ( talk) 20:27, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Not sure why these were removed?
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 19:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi, as an assignment for a college psych class, I will be contributing to this page. These are two sources that I will be consulting for my contribution [1] and [2] Cooks2 ( talk) 04:19, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
References
I suggest that the book Suicide Prohibition: The Shame of Medicine by psychiatrist Thomas Szasz be added to the further reading section. Michael Ten ( talk) 04:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
With respect to this "The average suicide costs $1,329,553. This amount consists of lost productivity following the suicide attempt as well as the cost of medical treatment." [2]
This is an estimate only about the US. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
According to this researcher, a physician, it appears that much of the research on lithium and suicidality is based on lithium cessation studies, not lithium administration in lithium-naive, suicidal individuals. Her conclusion:
"So there is the evidence on lithium and suicide. The meta-analysis that has been accepted as demonstrating that lithium prevents suicide spuriously inflated the suicide rate on placebo by excluding studies in which no suicides occurred. The only double blind, prospective study designed to test whether lithium reduces suicide in people at high risk, ended up unblinding many of its participants, and in any case suicidal events were low in both groups." https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/07/lithium-and-suicide-what-does-the-evidence-show/
Thus, lithium may not be the effective remedy that the main article suggests it is, and it may be worth identifying that the evidence is less clearly in favor of it as a valuable intervention for suicidality. I hope that helps. Gaom83 ( talk) 02:23, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Gaom83 I agree, I think the "Medication" section should either say something like
"Several different medications have been shown to reduce suicidality, such as ... (list)"
However, as there are multiple classes of such medications and multiple examples of each, used in different circumstances, I think it would be better to say something like
"Medication to prevent suicide primarily involves addressing the psychiatric conditions which increase one's risk of suicide; E.g. by treating depression with anti-depressants, manic depression/bipolar disorder with mood stabilisers, schizophrenia with antpsychotics etc."
Also, effective treatment regimens for any one person with a psychiatric condition that causes suicidality often take several years to be developed, because different people will respond differently to the same medications.
I think it's also worth mentioning that in some conditions medication alone is limited in reducing suicidality (especially in the long term), [1] and best practice stresses the importance of psychology/counseling for therapy/preventing suicide.
Anyway yes, I share a similar concern with this section in that people might get the wrong impression that taking lithium/medication alone is the best/primary/only way to prevent suicide.
Bonomiu ( talk) 11:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Bonomiu
I don't think there is any difference between suicide prevention and intervention, those names seem to refer to the same concept. Wouldn't the reader be better served if we had only one article about this? Thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I am doing this for a class and I'm totally new to editing Wikipedia, but from my perspective, I feel like this article has a lot of good information but could use some work structurally and grammatically. I made some changes myself with the grammar, but I do feel like there are more areas that could use some restructuring to help it flow just a little better and I doubt I caught all the grammatical issues. 1Kayla246 ( talk) 03:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
@ HJ Mitchell: Can you help explain what is wrong with my text? I've asked someone else before and all they said was "look at the referencing guide" which I had done already and thought it was good. I believe this information to be useful to be added to Wikipedia, so let me know what I can do to improve it. Nikkivaneijk ( talk) 08:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
The first image is of the “National Suicide Prevention Lifeline”, which has now become the “988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline“, which has it’s own logo ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:988_Suicide_%26_Crisis_Lifeline_logo_-_navy_-_square.svg). The image and caption should be changed. Tankpiggy18 ( talk) 00:40, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
May I suggest we add a link to meta:Mental health resources, perhaps as a hatnote, that imitates the language of {{ Self-harm}}? The latter is often added as a talk page header on suicide-related talk pages, but the primary audience for talk page headers is editors, who aren't particularly at risk, when that information would be most beneficial if it were instead directed to visitors, many of whom are presumably visiting suicide-related pages for a reason. DFlhb ( talk) 15:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 January 2023 and 28 April 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Bnesheim3 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Melen02, Stevicks835, Mtcstt.
— Assignment last updated by Stevicks835 ( talk) 18:42, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) regarding the use of suicide crisis telephone numbers (which this article includes). The thread is Suicide hotlines. Thank you. TheSpacebook ( talk) 01:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)