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Yesterday, I removed the gold edition Mario from the table as it is merely an alternate version of the Super Mario series Mario amiibo. The only difference between the two is one is gold and one isn't. A footnote is sufficient to document the former's existence. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 16:30, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
The Japanese amiibo page ( http://www.nintendo.co.jp/amiibo/lineup/) indicates that the Yarn Yoshis will act like the plastic Yoshis for other games, but I see no citations to indicate the plastic Yoshis will work for Wooly World. Can anyone produce one? Thanks! Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 02:18, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The table wave numbering is North America-centric, which is a problem for various reasons including neutrality issues. NOA decided to release this wave with a one month gap in between the 5A and 5B, but hat does not make them separate waves. They are being released drastically earlier and closer together in other regions, and thus this table should just refer to them all as Wave 5 [1] [2]. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 20:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Someone have added many Animal Crossing characters in the second table with images in the source and another one added notes about them not yet confirmed. Isn't that WP:CRYSTAL? Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 21:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
the images where off on West/JAP nintendo direct that somebody print-screen it and uploaded on the site, you may remove it if the source not good enough User: Aozz101x ( talk) edited: somebody did not look good enough the tom nook one is confirmed File:Tomnookcardimag.jpeg
I think there should be some mention, be it in the release section or its own new one (reception?) about the quick sells, rarity and short supplies. Many news pieces and editorials from both gaming and non-gaming press seem to lead with this in any article about amiibos currently. Frankly Man ( talk) 11:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I would like to move games like Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, amiibo tap: Nintendo's Greatest Bits and Girls Mode 3: Kira Kira Code which have read only support for every Amiibo figure to a smaller, separate table. The main table is already cluttered (imo) and removing those games would make space for potential future titles with assorted support. 88.69.118.238 ( talk) 20:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I am just wondering about if you guys would edit this page to add that some of the amiibo figurines, which some are in Wave 5 and some of them are Wave 6. Not all of them are Wave 5. And as well as editing to say that Wave 5 is expected to arrive in July and Wave 6 in September. Nintendo of Europe announced release dates for them as well. Dark Pit and Palutena from Wave 5, and Gandondorf and Zero Suit Samus from Wave 6 will be released in Europe on June 26th. The rest of Wave 6-- Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario and Olimar-- will be released on July 17th.
Thanks in advance!
Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 04:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The introduction says that Amiibos are similar in functionality to skylanders or Disney infinity figurines. However, except the fact that they can store data, there are no similarities. Skylanders figurines unlock the corresponding character in-game, that the player controls directly as the game's main character. Disney infinity figurines behave in the same way.
Amiibos have no in-game functionality per-se. They cannot be used as characters or controlled in any way. In Smash Bros. the character they represent are available to play with/against, whether you own the figurine or not, and the items they can collect can be obtained by the player without the use of an Amiibo as well. In Mario kart, their sole use is to unlock a costume for Mii characters, which has no impact on gameplay.
I feel comparing them is misleading. 198.103.167.20 ( talk) 18:46, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I am trying to parse out how Wave 5 works, so we are using a definition that is globally consistent to avoid violating WP:NPOV (i.e., an amiibo is part of the same wave number all around the world, but not necessarily the same wave sub-letter).
All we know about Falco anywhere is that he is coming during the Holiday season. Most of Wave 4 was announced in January, and then Jigglypuff and Greninja were tacked on in April [3] [4]. It seem pretty clear the Falco is in this ball too, and we can't call everything Wave 5. Per WP:BOLD, I am marking Falco as Wave 6. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 03:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I have seen the Reddit page as well as the SSBWiki amiibo page ( http://www.ssbwiki.com/Amiibo) wave notation. The problem with Reddit is that it is claiming in North America Wave 5B and 6 release at the same time to avoid calling it Wave 6 in Japan/Europe. The problem with SSBWiki notation is North America-centric and following their waves here would violate Wikipedia's NPOV standard. For waves 1-4, just searching IGN or Kotaku or other sources you can find the definition of waves easily. For example, IGN first described Wave 4 in January and then Jigglypuff/Greninja were tacked on in April (and the beginning of Wave 5 was defined at the same time) [5] [6] [7].
Ost, it's already WP:COMPREHENSIVE considering the "Release" section in the article. Replacing the waves with the release dates in the table will feel massively duplicated because characters got similar release dates.
I realized that "wave" is most likely originated from unreliable sources, and the reliable ones just happen to use that definition, and yet it still doesn't feel encyclopedic. If we go ahead to a chaotic solution, by replacing them with the release dates to the table while complete disregarding its height size, then the term "wave" can go. But wait, come to think of it, does the release dates for every Amiibo, matter? I thought, if we only use the earliest release dates for each Amiibo series (in "Release" section) and then drop the wave nomenclature once for all, it is another chaotic solution but will do well for Wikipedia. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 12:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
I noticed Rukario-sama already revamped the table, but I was going to suggest that we keep the waves in and then we have a separate table outlining the release dates for all series/waves in the four major regions. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 15:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
The Skylanders cross over figures work with more than just the Wii U version, which seems to come with Donkey Kong and his vehicle. The Wii version and the 3DS version both come with Bowser. No idea if either can be bought by themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.108.199 ( talk) 08:16, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Mario will be a Target exclusive for a limited time only! http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/aTkh7avfSbKaitAxdGQAen_mmE8vDspA and Bowser Jr. is a Toys R Us exclusive! http://www.ign.com/wikis/nintendo-amiibo-figurines/Amiibo_Rarity_Guide — Preceding unsigned comment added by JastDaSkylander ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I think that the Amiibo#List of Amiibo-branded NFC items section has gotten pretty large. At this point the list seems to be the main focus of the article, which it really shouldn't be. I'm proposing it be split off into a separate list article so that this article can focus on the development and reception of Amiibo. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 11:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
As there was no consensus for the split, I undid the split. This behavior is unacceptable on Wikipedia. There was no consensus. You can't split a page without consensus. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 23:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
The sentence in question is as follows:
The rarity of certain Amiibo influenced the prices...
This sentence is comprehensible on its own. Replace "Amiibo" with something like " precious gems" or "subvarieties of postage stamps" if you like; the core idea is simple enough. The main page does not need to detail individual Amiibo. If there are no further objections, I propose a formal vote on the split. — Asgardiator Iä! Iä! 00:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Several days have passed, and no one has come here. If the split supporters really want the split, they should open an RfC. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 22:52, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
I know that there are only extremely limited situations where it's appropriate to start the title of an article with a lowercase letter - Apple products being the best example - so having "Amiibo" as the article title is fine. But given that Nintendo's official stance is that "amiibo" is not capitalized, shouldn't it be written that way throughout the body of the article? 45.47.234.119 ( talk) 01:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
The article starts out by stating that "amiibo" is a wireless communications protocol, but then says absolutely nothing about the protocol, but instead discusses toys that use the technology. — Quicksilver T @ 18:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't the list of amiibo-branded NFC items subsection be considered a clear violation of WP:CATALOG, and be removed because of it? ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 12:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Even though people have been told and it's clearly written in the comments on the page, people keep violating MOS:TM and uncapitalising every occurrence of Amiibo in the article. They think this particular item deserves special treatment on Wikipedia. I think some level of protection may be needed to stop this from repeatedly happening. Avengah ( talk) 18:28, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Trademarks that officially begin with a lowercase letter raise several problems because they break the normal capitalization rules of English that trademarks, as proper names, are written with initial capital letters wherever they occur in a sentence.
Conventionally, articles usually give the normal English spelling in the lead, followed by a note such as "(stylized as ...)" with the stylized version, then revert to using normal English for the remainder of the article.
It's happening again, so I've sent a standard template (uw-mos1) to the user 76.119.224.157 and I've fixed the page again. Avengah ( talk) 00:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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I'm sort of confused by what you guys mean as 'noted variations' in the Amiibo list. Could anyone elaborate me on that. I took a quick count on it and it seems like that's the noted number of amiibo in a series, such as the 'Super Smash Bros.' line of amiibo. Is that what I'm looking at? Cause the number of amiibo series there is is exactly 14 if I'm not mistaken. Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 14:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone have any actual valid reason why the first line should not read
“ | Amiibo ( Japanese: アミーボ, Hepburn: Amībo, officially stylised as amiibo; plural: Amiibo) | ” |
?
PapiDimmi got scolded for including a stylization for the game Hitman, so now he was removing the stylization from this page. Does anyone have a valid reason to remove the stylization? Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 21:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
(stylized as HITMAN)
to the
Hitman (2016 video game) article, but it was already there in
Doom (2016 video game) and
Watch Dogs. I am a bit confused. Personally, I think that this is information that’s worth mentioning, but some other editors apparently think otherwise, and they also like to insult me in addition to just explaining the issue.@ PapiDimmi:, game covers and advertisements are not secondary sources!
Also, you are not looking properly. Avoid looking at IGN wikis, Wikipedia can't cite other wikis
Polygon
There you go, several sources using amiibo in its stylized form. I can't help you regarding Watch Dogs. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 18:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, this article calls them toys, like in the exclusive Amiibo section. But they are more like Figurines. Regards - Gary "Roach" Sanderson ( talk) 20:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I came to this page knowing next to nothing about Amiibo except that it exists and somehow involves collecting items from one game to use in another. And having read the intro and skimmed the rest of the article I'm none the wiser. There's a lot of great info on how it was developed, preceding systems and early versions, the technology it uses and how it's been received but nothing about what it actually does. Is it purely cosmetic (making your character in one game look like a character from another)? Does it add mini-games or other functions? Is it a game in it's own right?. Danikat ( talk) 21:43, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
The chart says what Amiibos are compatible with Smash 4 (Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Nintendo 3DS) Should we update the chart for Ultimate or wait until Ultimate is released? Felicia (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Can we make new pages for Amiibo figures and cards that compatible with games because this Amiibo articles is too long to see? TheBlackKnights1100 ( talk) 17:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
It has been officially confirmed by Nintendo in the past that the word "amiibo" is never spelt in capital letters and doesn't have a plural word, [1] yet this article consistently spells the word incorrectly. SuperWikiBrother ( talk) 12:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC) SuperWikiBrother ( talk) 12:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
References
It should be in retractable sections or whatever they’re called. 2600:6C5E:647F:65DA:3C0A:5BDE:84F7:DD96 ( talk) 05:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Should the amiibo be refered to as the "amiibo toy" like it is in the article? I assume that's what most sources refer to it as. Industrial Insect (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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Yesterday, I removed the gold edition Mario from the table as it is merely an alternate version of the Super Mario series Mario amiibo. The only difference between the two is one is gold and one isn't. A footnote is sufficient to document the former's existence. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 16:30, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
The Japanese amiibo page ( http://www.nintendo.co.jp/amiibo/lineup/) indicates that the Yarn Yoshis will act like the plastic Yoshis for other games, but I see no citations to indicate the plastic Yoshis will work for Wooly World. Can anyone produce one? Thanks! Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 02:18, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The table wave numbering is North America-centric, which is a problem for various reasons including neutrality issues. NOA decided to release this wave with a one month gap in between the 5A and 5B, but hat does not make them separate waves. They are being released drastically earlier and closer together in other regions, and thus this table should just refer to them all as Wave 5 [1] [2]. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 20:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Someone have added many Animal Crossing characters in the second table with images in the source and another one added notes about them not yet confirmed. Isn't that WP:CRYSTAL? Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 21:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
the images where off on West/JAP nintendo direct that somebody print-screen it and uploaded on the site, you may remove it if the source not good enough User: Aozz101x ( talk) edited: somebody did not look good enough the tom nook one is confirmed File:Tomnookcardimag.jpeg
I think there should be some mention, be it in the release section or its own new one (reception?) about the quick sells, rarity and short supplies. Many news pieces and editorials from both gaming and non-gaming press seem to lead with this in any article about amiibos currently. Frankly Man ( talk) 11:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I would like to move games like Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, amiibo tap: Nintendo's Greatest Bits and Girls Mode 3: Kira Kira Code which have read only support for every Amiibo figure to a smaller, separate table. The main table is already cluttered (imo) and removing those games would make space for potential future titles with assorted support. 88.69.118.238 ( talk) 20:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I am just wondering about if you guys would edit this page to add that some of the amiibo figurines, which some are in Wave 5 and some of them are Wave 6. Not all of them are Wave 5. And as well as editing to say that Wave 5 is expected to arrive in July and Wave 6 in September. Nintendo of Europe announced release dates for them as well. Dark Pit and Palutena from Wave 5, and Gandondorf and Zero Suit Samus from Wave 6 will be released in Europe on June 26th. The rest of Wave 6-- Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario and Olimar-- will be released on July 17th.
Thanks in advance!
Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 04:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The introduction says that Amiibos are similar in functionality to skylanders or Disney infinity figurines. However, except the fact that they can store data, there are no similarities. Skylanders figurines unlock the corresponding character in-game, that the player controls directly as the game's main character. Disney infinity figurines behave in the same way.
Amiibos have no in-game functionality per-se. They cannot be used as characters or controlled in any way. In Smash Bros. the character they represent are available to play with/against, whether you own the figurine or not, and the items they can collect can be obtained by the player without the use of an Amiibo as well. In Mario kart, their sole use is to unlock a costume for Mii characters, which has no impact on gameplay.
I feel comparing them is misleading. 198.103.167.20 ( talk) 18:46, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I am trying to parse out how Wave 5 works, so we are using a definition that is globally consistent to avoid violating WP:NPOV (i.e., an amiibo is part of the same wave number all around the world, but not necessarily the same wave sub-letter).
All we know about Falco anywhere is that he is coming during the Holiday season. Most of Wave 4 was announced in January, and then Jigglypuff and Greninja were tacked on in April [3] [4]. It seem pretty clear the Falco is in this ball too, and we can't call everything Wave 5. Per WP:BOLD, I am marking Falco as Wave 6. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 03:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I have seen the Reddit page as well as the SSBWiki amiibo page ( http://www.ssbwiki.com/Amiibo) wave notation. The problem with Reddit is that it is claiming in North America Wave 5B and 6 release at the same time to avoid calling it Wave 6 in Japan/Europe. The problem with SSBWiki notation is North America-centric and following their waves here would violate Wikipedia's NPOV standard. For waves 1-4, just searching IGN or Kotaku or other sources you can find the definition of waves easily. For example, IGN first described Wave 4 in January and then Jigglypuff/Greninja were tacked on in April (and the beginning of Wave 5 was defined at the same time) [5] [6] [7].
Ost, it's already WP:COMPREHENSIVE considering the "Release" section in the article. Replacing the waves with the release dates in the table will feel massively duplicated because characters got similar release dates.
I realized that "wave" is most likely originated from unreliable sources, and the reliable ones just happen to use that definition, and yet it still doesn't feel encyclopedic. If we go ahead to a chaotic solution, by replacing them with the release dates to the table while complete disregarding its height size, then the term "wave" can go. But wait, come to think of it, does the release dates for every Amiibo, matter? I thought, if we only use the earliest release dates for each Amiibo series (in "Release" section) and then drop the wave nomenclature once for all, it is another chaotic solution but will do well for Wikipedia. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 12:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
I noticed Rukario-sama already revamped the table, but I was going to suggest that we keep the waves in and then we have a separate table outlining the release dates for all series/waves in the four major regions. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 15:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
The Skylanders cross over figures work with more than just the Wii U version, which seems to come with Donkey Kong and his vehicle. The Wii version and the 3DS version both come with Bowser. No idea if either can be bought by themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.108.199 ( talk) 08:16, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Mario will be a Target exclusive for a limited time only! http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/aTkh7avfSbKaitAxdGQAen_mmE8vDspA and Bowser Jr. is a Toys R Us exclusive! http://www.ign.com/wikis/nintendo-amiibo-figurines/Amiibo_Rarity_Guide — Preceding unsigned comment added by JastDaSkylander ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I think that the Amiibo#List of Amiibo-branded NFC items section has gotten pretty large. At this point the list seems to be the main focus of the article, which it really shouldn't be. I'm proposing it be split off into a separate list article so that this article can focus on the development and reception of Amiibo. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 11:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
As there was no consensus for the split, I undid the split. This behavior is unacceptable on Wikipedia. There was no consensus. You can't split a page without consensus. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 23:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
The sentence in question is as follows:
The rarity of certain Amiibo influenced the prices...
This sentence is comprehensible on its own. Replace "Amiibo" with something like " precious gems" or "subvarieties of postage stamps" if you like; the core idea is simple enough. The main page does not need to detail individual Amiibo. If there are no further objections, I propose a formal vote on the split. — Asgardiator Iä! Iä! 00:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Several days have passed, and no one has come here. If the split supporters really want the split, they should open an RfC. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 22:52, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
I know that there are only extremely limited situations where it's appropriate to start the title of an article with a lowercase letter - Apple products being the best example - so having "Amiibo" as the article title is fine. But given that Nintendo's official stance is that "amiibo" is not capitalized, shouldn't it be written that way throughout the body of the article? 45.47.234.119 ( talk) 01:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
The article starts out by stating that "amiibo" is a wireless communications protocol, but then says absolutely nothing about the protocol, but instead discusses toys that use the technology. — Quicksilver T @ 18:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't the list of amiibo-branded NFC items subsection be considered a clear violation of WP:CATALOG, and be removed because of it? ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 12:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Even though people have been told and it's clearly written in the comments on the page, people keep violating MOS:TM and uncapitalising every occurrence of Amiibo in the article. They think this particular item deserves special treatment on Wikipedia. I think some level of protection may be needed to stop this from repeatedly happening. Avengah ( talk) 18:28, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Trademarks that officially begin with a lowercase letter raise several problems because they break the normal capitalization rules of English that trademarks, as proper names, are written with initial capital letters wherever they occur in a sentence.
Conventionally, articles usually give the normal English spelling in the lead, followed by a note such as "(stylized as ...)" with the stylized version, then revert to using normal English for the remainder of the article.
It's happening again, so I've sent a standard template (uw-mos1) to the user 76.119.224.157 and I've fixed the page again. Avengah ( talk) 00:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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I'm sort of confused by what you guys mean as 'noted variations' in the Amiibo list. Could anyone elaborate me on that. I took a quick count on it and it seems like that's the noted number of amiibo in a series, such as the 'Super Smash Bros.' line of amiibo. Is that what I'm looking at? Cause the number of amiibo series there is is exactly 14 if I'm not mistaken. Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 14:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone have any actual valid reason why the first line should not read
“ | Amiibo ( Japanese: アミーボ, Hepburn: Amībo, officially stylised as amiibo; plural: Amiibo) | ” |
?
PapiDimmi got scolded for including a stylization for the game Hitman, so now he was removing the stylization from this page. Does anyone have a valid reason to remove the stylization? Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 21:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
(stylized as HITMAN)
to the
Hitman (2016 video game) article, but it was already there in
Doom (2016 video game) and
Watch Dogs. I am a bit confused. Personally, I think that this is information that’s worth mentioning, but some other editors apparently think otherwise, and they also like to insult me in addition to just explaining the issue.@ PapiDimmi:, game covers and advertisements are not secondary sources!
Also, you are not looking properly. Avoid looking at IGN wikis, Wikipedia can't cite other wikis
Polygon
There you go, several sources using amiibo in its stylized form. I can't help you regarding Watch Dogs. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 18:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, this article calls them toys, like in the exclusive Amiibo section. But they are more like Figurines. Regards - Gary "Roach" Sanderson ( talk) 20:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I came to this page knowing next to nothing about Amiibo except that it exists and somehow involves collecting items from one game to use in another. And having read the intro and skimmed the rest of the article I'm none the wiser. There's a lot of great info on how it was developed, preceding systems and early versions, the technology it uses and how it's been received but nothing about what it actually does. Is it purely cosmetic (making your character in one game look like a character from another)? Does it add mini-games or other functions? Is it a game in it's own right?. Danikat ( talk) 21:43, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
The chart says what Amiibos are compatible with Smash 4 (Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Nintendo 3DS) Should we update the chart for Ultimate or wait until Ultimate is released? Felicia (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Can we make new pages for Amiibo figures and cards that compatible with games because this Amiibo articles is too long to see? TheBlackKnights1100 ( talk) 17:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
It has been officially confirmed by Nintendo in the past that the word "amiibo" is never spelt in capital letters and doesn't have a plural word, [1] yet this article consistently spells the word incorrectly. SuperWikiBrother ( talk) 12:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC) SuperWikiBrother ( talk) 12:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
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It should be in retractable sections or whatever they’re called. 2600:6C5E:647F:65DA:3C0A:5BDE:84F7:DD96 ( talk) 05:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Should the amiibo be refered to as the "amiibo toy" like it is in the article? I assume that's what most sources refer to it as. Industrial Insect (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)