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The soup is eaten all over Balkans and Turkey and probably in other places as well, so it shouldn't be treated just as a Bulgarian national food. Its widely used name "Shkembe Chorba" is Turkish in origin, so we should either keep it at the Turkish version or use an English name, something like Tripe soup? Zocky 16:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know exactly whether Iskembe is a 100% Turkish word, I think it's maybe Persian because during the Ottoman Empire, Turks used very much Persian loanwords. But I'm very very sure dat çorba is a Turkish word, no doubt about it. The Bulgar language is full of loanwords from Turkish. Just a few examples: yogurt, tugla, tepe, kutu(kutiya), ...
Shkembe Chorba is actualy a southern balkan meal. I know of it as a popular Macedonian meal, but it is widely spread in Pirin Macedonia (today south western Bulgaria) and southern Bulgaria and especialy in Aegian Macedonia (today northern Greece) thus making it a regional dish! I propose that it's added in Macedonian cusine as well and maby Greek cusine. Gogo 14:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
In Turkey we have a business called işkembeci that serves only işkembe çorba (işkembe soup) and they are widely found around the country.Any normal logic would accept that işkembe çorbası is turkish orijin , I know it is hard to divide the heritage of ottoman empire but this soup is Turkish orijin.
My god that article sucks.... I'll overhaul it as soon as I am done. --
Emir Ali Enç (
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22:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
User:TrueHistoryPoland wrote the following on my Talk page -- I'm moving it here as a more appropriate place:
Dear TrueHistoryPoland, I certainly agree with you that the Polish-style tripe soup (flaki) should be covered on this page. However, the way you have added your material, you make it look as though Polish flaki is the principal kind of tripe soup: you have changed the introduction to be about flaki, not about tripe soup in general; you have made an infobox about flaki, not about tripe soup in general; and you have put the discussion of flaki in its own section, before the discussion of the variety of tripe soups. Please try to edit more collaboratively and not give undue weight to a particular kind of soup. I plan to revert to my last version, but will leave some time for discussion first. Thanks, -- Macrakis ( talk) 18:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I wonder whether it makes sense to have a separate article on Tripe soups while we have individual pages on most soups and the page on tripe, which actually contains a list of all... (a lover of odd but interesting food) :D-- Welshwind ( talk) 00:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, as discussed below, an RM is not the way to propose splitting an article, see WP:SPLIT. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 13:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Tripe soups →
Tripe chorba – I suggest a renaming and a splitting.
This article deals with
but not other tripe soups such as
and so on.
I cant help but keep asking "Why?"
Turkish işkembe çorbası and Polish flaki are as different as Mexican menudo and French tripes à la mode de Caen are. Perhaps it is a good idea to move this article to Tripe chorba and make separate articles for Flaki and other non- chorba tripe soups. (Among them Saure Kutteln already has its own article.)
Tripe soup, then, could and should be either a disambiguation page or an overview page for all soups that use tripe as its main ingredient. Gomuragi ( talk) 12:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 12:18, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea (not my proposal, but the nom didn't start a discussion). PS. The merge shoudl be to the soup article, per WP:USEENGLISH -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Merge Yes, of course they should be merged. There are certainly distinctive things about the Turkish/Balkan Tripe chorba, notably that they're usually served with vinegar and garlic, but that can certainly be included in this article. -- Macrakis ( talk) 23:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Neutral/Opinion Tripe chorba, as well as Flaki, Menudo (soup), Sopa de mondongo and others, could fit in Tripe soup, but merging the already lengthy Tripe chorba article into this one would make certain paragraph much longer than the others. It might be a better idea to move the article to Işkembe çorbası as in ca:İşkembe çorbası, es:İşkembe çorbası, fr:İşkembe, it:Işkembe çorbası, ja:イシュケンベ, ru:Ишкембе чорбасы, which are specifically about the Turkish tripe soup. -- Melsj ( talk) 06:03, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
The Romanian article https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciorb%C4%83_de_burt%C4%83 reffers to the same soup, or has the same origin, as the other Balkan recipes. Could be the Romanian language aricle linked to the English article? Kataadj ( talk) 10:19, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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The soup is eaten all over Balkans and Turkey and probably in other places as well, so it shouldn't be treated just as a Bulgarian national food. Its widely used name "Shkembe Chorba" is Turkish in origin, so we should either keep it at the Turkish version or use an English name, something like Tripe soup? Zocky 16:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know exactly whether Iskembe is a 100% Turkish word, I think it's maybe Persian because during the Ottoman Empire, Turks used very much Persian loanwords. But I'm very very sure dat çorba is a Turkish word, no doubt about it. The Bulgar language is full of loanwords from Turkish. Just a few examples: yogurt, tugla, tepe, kutu(kutiya), ...
Shkembe Chorba is actualy a southern balkan meal. I know of it as a popular Macedonian meal, but it is widely spread in Pirin Macedonia (today south western Bulgaria) and southern Bulgaria and especialy in Aegian Macedonia (today northern Greece) thus making it a regional dish! I propose that it's added in Macedonian cusine as well and maby Greek cusine. Gogo 14:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
In Turkey we have a business called işkembeci that serves only işkembe çorba (işkembe soup) and they are widely found around the country.Any normal logic would accept that işkembe çorbası is turkish orijin , I know it is hard to divide the heritage of ottoman empire but this soup is Turkish orijin.
My god that article sucks.... I'll overhaul it as soon as I am done. --
Emir Ali Enç (
talk)
22:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
User:TrueHistoryPoland wrote the following on my Talk page -- I'm moving it here as a more appropriate place:
Dear TrueHistoryPoland, I certainly agree with you that the Polish-style tripe soup (flaki) should be covered on this page. However, the way you have added your material, you make it look as though Polish flaki is the principal kind of tripe soup: you have changed the introduction to be about flaki, not about tripe soup in general; you have made an infobox about flaki, not about tripe soup in general; and you have put the discussion of flaki in its own section, before the discussion of the variety of tripe soups. Please try to edit more collaboratively and not give undue weight to a particular kind of soup. I plan to revert to my last version, but will leave some time for discussion first. Thanks, -- Macrakis ( talk) 18:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I wonder whether it makes sense to have a separate article on Tripe soups while we have individual pages on most soups and the page on tripe, which actually contains a list of all... (a lover of odd but interesting food) :D-- Welshwind ( talk) 00:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, as discussed below, an RM is not the way to propose splitting an article, see WP:SPLIT. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 13:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Tripe soups →
Tripe chorba – I suggest a renaming and a splitting.
This article deals with
but not other tripe soups such as
and so on.
I cant help but keep asking "Why?"
Turkish işkembe çorbası and Polish flaki are as different as Mexican menudo and French tripes à la mode de Caen are. Perhaps it is a good idea to move this article to Tripe chorba and make separate articles for Flaki and other non- chorba tripe soups. (Among them Saure Kutteln already has its own article.)
Tripe soup, then, could and should be either a disambiguation page or an overview page for all soups that use tripe as its main ingredient. Gomuragi ( talk) 12:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 12:18, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea (not my proposal, but the nom didn't start a discussion). PS. The merge shoudl be to the soup article, per WP:USEENGLISH -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Merge Yes, of course they should be merged. There are certainly distinctive things about the Turkish/Balkan Tripe chorba, notably that they're usually served with vinegar and garlic, but that can certainly be included in this article. -- Macrakis ( talk) 23:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Neutral/Opinion Tripe chorba, as well as Flaki, Menudo (soup), Sopa de mondongo and others, could fit in Tripe soup, but merging the already lengthy Tripe chorba article into this one would make certain paragraph much longer than the others. It might be a better idea to move the article to Işkembe çorbası as in ca:İşkembe çorbası, es:İşkembe çorbası, fr:İşkembe, it:Işkembe çorbası, ja:イシュケンベ, ru:Ишкембе чорбасы, which are specifically about the Turkish tripe soup. -- Melsj ( talk) 06:03, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello,
The Romanian article https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciorb%C4%83_de_burt%C4%83 reffers to the same soup, or has the same origin, as the other Balkan recipes. Could be the Romanian language aricle linked to the English article? Kataadj ( talk) 10:19, 24 April 2023 (UTC)