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The word "table" appears in parantheses in most sections about nutrition, for example in Sweet potato#Nutrition, Lettuce#Nutritional content, Apple#Nutrition. Sometimes the word "see" is also added, or even "(see adjacent nutrition table)", for example in Orange (fruit)#Nutrition and Chickpea#Nutrition. There are also some pages where it doesn't appear in the text, for example Butternut squash#Nutrition and Falafel#Nutrition. How many times this word appears is also inconsistent, sometimes it's only added after one sentence, sometimes after multiple ones.
To make the articles more consistent and helpful, I would like to establish a consistent style recommendation regarding this. My first intuition is that it isn't useful in most cases where the table is very close to the text, so I don't think it's worth mentioning it explicitly. In the exceptional cases where the table cannot be moved closer to the text of the nutrition section, I would recommend giving a bit more directional help - something like "(see table above/below)". This should only appear after the first sentence. What do you think, is this a good style recommendation, or do you have a different idea? Bendegúz Ács ( talk) 21:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
1. I understand and agree with your reasoning on why it's currently inferior to use a regular citation to the USDA website rather than directing users to the table. Based on this, my suggestion would be a new template that takes the user to the table when clicked and would be rendered as a citation. For example, this is the original
Butternut squash#Nutrition:
Baked butternut squash is 88%
water, 11%
carbohydrates, 1%
protein, and contains negligible
fat (table). In a reference amount of 100 grams (3.5 oz), it supplies 167 kilojoules (40 kilocalories) of
food energy, and is a rich source (20% or more of the
Daily Value, DV) of
vitamin A (70% DV), with moderate amounts of
vitamin C (18% DV) and
vitamin B6 (10% DV) (table).
And this would be with the new template:
Baked butternut squash is 88%
water, 11%
carbohydrates, 1%
protein, and contains negligible
fat.[table] In a reference amount of 100 grams (3.5 oz), it supplies 167 kilojoules (40 kilocalories) of
food energy, and is a rich source (20% or more of the
Daily Value, DV) of
vitamin A (70% DV), with moderate amounts of
vitamin C (18% DV) and
vitamin B6 (10% DV).[table]
[table] would take the user to the "Butternut squash, baked" table, which will probably require inserting an {{anchor}} for
nutritional value templates. What do you think, would this be an improvement?
2. Yes, the URL is there, but it has to be provided in the Note parameter, for example: [https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169296/nutrients Link to USDA Database entry]. Instead, it would be more convinient, if only the ID (169296) or the URL would have to be provided and the same link (
Link to USDA Database entry) would be rendered automatically.
Hankwang,
Waddie96,
Thumperward,
Plastikspork,
Primefac,
Ans As significant contributors to the
Template:Infobox nutritional value, do you have any opinion about these potential improvements?
Bendegúz Ács (
talk) 18:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
With respect to a citation template that just links to an internal page anchor: I don't think that's a good idea. If you're going to use a citation template then you might as well use it to link to the FDA site itself. I dislike articles that seem to treat the concept of directing readers to the information they want as some sort of adventure. I do strongly agree that we should, however, just be using citations instead of self-referential things like "see table" which are both fragile and invalid in various contexts. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) ( talk) 06:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Comments please (and ideally sources) at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_18#Category:American_female_winemakers. Johnbod ( talk) 01:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
I was looking at the Jonah Crab talk page and I noticed that it has the food and drink categorization. I will research how to undo, but I don't truly know if it is a mistake or if it is a commonly eaten crab in some cultures, but this is probably a mistake. Edit, I fucked up. Sorry. how to delete? 2abc3 ( talk) 19:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I think we need to make it more clear that recipes are not suitable sources for food articles. I've nominated several different food articles (mainly cakes and salads) that have absolutely no notability and still have to explain to editors that the existence of recipes for a food doesn't make that specific food notable. Can we work on an essay or something to put this into writing somewhere? BaduFerreira ( talk) 02:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello editors,
My name is Paige, and I work for Subway and have requested updates to the article due to my COI. I have had an open request on the Subway Talk page for a while now and I thought editors here at Wikiproject Food and Drink would be interested in it, especially regarding updates to Subway's menu. Editors felt my proposed updates sounded too promotional, but when I sought feedback, I did not get a response on how to improve it. I think these updates will help the page and I would like to work with editors to update the menu in a way that is not promotional. I can answer any question on the Talk page. Thank you PHSubway ( talk) 13:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi guys, would anyone like to help me with this page? JacktheBrown ( talk) 01:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Bagna càuda originated in Lower Piedmont, a geographical region of Piedmont, Italy. See also: Talk:Bagna càuda. JacktheBrown ( talk) 17:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm an employee at the food and equipment distributor Sysco, and I'm seeking to improve the company article. I recently placed an edit request on the Sysco Talk page that invites editors to review my rewrite of the History section. That section is less than perfect, at the moment. It doesn't contain any information about the company's history pre-1981 (it was founded in 1969) and some of its content lacks citation. My draft expands the section and, I hope, makes it stronger by ensuring that every claim is backed up by a quality source or two. You can view my request by following this link. I'm open to any feedback independent editors may have. Thank you! KM at Sysco ( talk) 01:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
If interested, see this discussion: Talk:Ciceri e tria#Unclear and unverified sentence. JacktheBrown ( talk) 21:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Requests for new articles can be posted on this talk page and also at Requested articles/Arts and entertainment § Food, drink, and nutrition. |
The word "table" appears in parantheses in most sections about nutrition, for example in Sweet potato#Nutrition, Lettuce#Nutritional content, Apple#Nutrition. Sometimes the word "see" is also added, or even "(see adjacent nutrition table)", for example in Orange (fruit)#Nutrition and Chickpea#Nutrition. There are also some pages where it doesn't appear in the text, for example Butternut squash#Nutrition and Falafel#Nutrition. How many times this word appears is also inconsistent, sometimes it's only added after one sentence, sometimes after multiple ones.
To make the articles more consistent and helpful, I would like to establish a consistent style recommendation regarding this. My first intuition is that it isn't useful in most cases where the table is very close to the text, so I don't think it's worth mentioning it explicitly. In the exceptional cases where the table cannot be moved closer to the text of the nutrition section, I would recommend giving a bit more directional help - something like "(see table above/below)". This should only appear after the first sentence. What do you think, is this a good style recommendation, or do you have a different idea? Bendegúz Ács ( talk) 21:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
1. I understand and agree with your reasoning on why it's currently inferior to use a regular citation to the USDA website rather than directing users to the table. Based on this, my suggestion would be a new template that takes the user to the table when clicked and would be rendered as a citation. For example, this is the original
Butternut squash#Nutrition:
Baked butternut squash is 88%
water, 11%
carbohydrates, 1%
protein, and contains negligible
fat (table). In a reference amount of 100 grams (3.5 oz), it supplies 167 kilojoules (40 kilocalories) of
food energy, and is a rich source (20% or more of the
Daily Value, DV) of
vitamin A (70% DV), with moderate amounts of
vitamin C (18% DV) and
vitamin B6 (10% DV) (table).
And this would be with the new template:
Baked butternut squash is 88%
water, 11%
carbohydrates, 1%
protein, and contains negligible
fat.[table] In a reference amount of 100 grams (3.5 oz), it supplies 167 kilojoules (40 kilocalories) of
food energy, and is a rich source (20% or more of the
Daily Value, DV) of
vitamin A (70% DV), with moderate amounts of
vitamin C (18% DV) and
vitamin B6 (10% DV).[table]
[table] would take the user to the "Butternut squash, baked" table, which will probably require inserting an {{anchor}} for
nutritional value templates. What do you think, would this be an improvement?
2. Yes, the URL is there, but it has to be provided in the Note parameter, for example: [https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169296/nutrients Link to USDA Database entry]. Instead, it would be more convinient, if only the ID (169296) or the URL would have to be provided and the same link (
Link to USDA Database entry) would be rendered automatically.
Hankwang,
Waddie96,
Thumperward,
Plastikspork,
Primefac,
Ans As significant contributors to the
Template:Infobox nutritional value, do you have any opinion about these potential improvements?
Bendegúz Ács (
talk) 18:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
With respect to a citation template that just links to an internal page anchor: I don't think that's a good idea. If you're going to use a citation template then you might as well use it to link to the FDA site itself. I dislike articles that seem to treat the concept of directing readers to the information they want as some sort of adventure. I do strongly agree that we should, however, just be using citations instead of self-referential things like "see table" which are both fragile and invalid in various contexts. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) ( talk) 06:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Comments please (and ideally sources) at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_18#Category:American_female_winemakers. Johnbod ( talk) 01:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
I was looking at the Jonah Crab talk page and I noticed that it has the food and drink categorization. I will research how to undo, but I don't truly know if it is a mistake or if it is a commonly eaten crab in some cultures, but this is probably a mistake. Edit, I fucked up. Sorry. how to delete? 2abc3 ( talk) 19:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I think we need to make it more clear that recipes are not suitable sources for food articles. I've nominated several different food articles (mainly cakes and salads) that have absolutely no notability and still have to explain to editors that the existence of recipes for a food doesn't make that specific food notable. Can we work on an essay or something to put this into writing somewhere? BaduFerreira ( talk) 02:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello editors,
My name is Paige, and I work for Subway and have requested updates to the article due to my COI. I have had an open request on the Subway Talk page for a while now and I thought editors here at Wikiproject Food and Drink would be interested in it, especially regarding updates to Subway's menu. Editors felt my proposed updates sounded too promotional, but when I sought feedback, I did not get a response on how to improve it. I think these updates will help the page and I would like to work with editors to update the menu in a way that is not promotional. I can answer any question on the Talk page. Thank you PHSubway ( talk) 13:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi guys, would anyone like to help me with this page? JacktheBrown ( talk) 01:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Bagna càuda originated in Lower Piedmont, a geographical region of Piedmont, Italy. See also: Talk:Bagna càuda. JacktheBrown ( talk) 17:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm an employee at the food and equipment distributor Sysco, and I'm seeking to improve the company article. I recently placed an edit request on the Sysco Talk page that invites editors to review my rewrite of the History section. That section is less than perfect, at the moment. It doesn't contain any information about the company's history pre-1981 (it was founded in 1969) and some of its content lacks citation. My draft expands the section and, I hope, makes it stronger by ensuring that every claim is backed up by a quality source or two. You can view my request by following this link. I'm open to any feedback independent editors may have. Thank you! KM at Sysco ( talk) 01:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
If interested, see this discussion: Talk:Ciceri e tria#Unclear and unverified sentence. JacktheBrown ( talk) 21:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)