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This article (under the "Philip K. Dick" section) states that Lem "did not read in English", but the Solaris (novel) page states that he "read English fluently" ("English translation" section.) Neither assertion is attributed. Which is correct, and shouldn't the incorrect one be fixed? Wocky ( talk) 21:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
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It was first part of Poland first occupied by by Russian Empire then some mess during Russian Civil War ( West Ukrainian People's Republic) then occupied by Poland then by USSR. Anyway, see Lviv article. Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree SL birthplace -->> Lviv was in Poland at that time, I just wanted to underline that version with liberation those lands from Polish forces was also not untrue. Lviv was a Polish city but there was no referendum about those lands in 1920-22, so it is not so easy to define the status - occupied/liberated/conquered/annexed. History as well may treat those territories: Vilnius Region, Western Belarus, Western Ukraine, Latgalia as annexed by Polish army by force, not by any neutral referendum.
As to the question of liberation or occupation - it depends on a point of view, as the same army can be regarded by some people as liberators while by other - occupiers.
The reason was simple and obvious - Stanisław Lem did not receive his medical diploma, because his father worked in the UB (Stalinist secret politcal police, Division in Poland) medical division (IPN Archive file reference number Kr 057/962), so he would also have to work there. And because Samuel Lem was recommended to work in the Ministry of Public Security, i.e. in the UB, not by just anyone, because he was recommended by Dr. Leon (Lew) Gangel, then deputy and later the Head of Health Service of that ministry, Stanisław Lem knew well, what doctors employed in the UB had to do. Dr. Gangel was known for the fact that when prisoners abused by UB officers began to fall short, that dr Leon Gangel, the head of the MBP's (UB) health service at that time, was called, who ordered these prisoners strenuous strengthening treatments, so that UB officers could continue, without fear of death od a prisoner, their interrogations (Andrzej Paczkowski, Trzy twarze Józefa Światły. Przyczynek do historii komunizmu w Polsce ["Three faces of Józef Światło: a contribution to the history of communism in Poland"] Warsaw: Prószyński i ska, 2009 p. 114).
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I quote in original Polish language: "Funkcjonariuszom zebranym w Miedzeszynie nie dano zbyt wiele czasu na przygotowanie się. Dzień po ich zjawieniu się w „Spacerze”, 13 października, aresztowany został Lechowicz, którego, po dowiezieniu do siedziby MBP przy ul. Koszykowej - od jego mieszkania w Alei Róż było to o „rzut beretem” - powitał Światło, a 14 lub 15 października odstawiono go do Miedzeszyna. Szybko posypali się kolejni aresztanci. W ciągu paru dni w „Spacerze” znalazł się prawie komplet więźniów, zapełniały się też cele wydzielonego pawilonu w więzieniu mokotowskim. W sumie do końca października aresztowano około 30 osób. Przesłuchania zaczynano od razu, niemal z marszu. Wedle oświadczenia, złożonego w 1954 r. przez Edmunda Kwaska, który w „Spacerze” służył od początku, pierwszym bitym więźniem był Alfred Jaroszewicz, ale „po kilku lub kilkunastu dniach zaczęto bić i pozostałych”. Polecenie bicia dawał Różański za aprobatą Romkowskiego, a później już szło samo z siebie. W jednym z pierwszych przesłuchań Jaroszewicza miał brać udział Światło, który uczestniczył w zbiorowym znęcaniu się nad aresztowanym. Kwasek zaznaczył, iż służba (ochrona wewnętrzna) aresztu zaczęła naśladować starszych stopniem i biła więźniów w czasie przyprowadzania na przesłuchanie lub w drodze powrotnej do celi. Ochrona wewnętrzna szykanowała więźniów w celach - wlewano wodę, budzono ich w nocy, kontrolowano, czy zgodnie z poleceniem aresztowani w ciągu dnia nie siadają. Więźniowie mieli przydzielone numery i wywoływani byli z cel tylko po tych numerach, choć funkcjonariusze ochrony zapewne znali nazwiska przynajmniej części aresztowanych. Poza Gomułką żaden z więźniów „Spaceru” nie korzystał z tego ważnego „przywileju”, jakim było wyjście, choćby na pół godziny, na spacerniak. Może dlatego obiekt nazwano tak przewrotnie. Gdy maltretowani zaczynali niedomagać, ściągano szefa służby zdrowia MBP dr Leona Gangla, który ordynował forsowne kuracje wzmacniające, aby bez obawy o zgon można było kontynuować przesłuchania. Mimo to w samym tylko „Spacerze” zmarło co najmniej trzech więźniów: Aleksander Giercyk, który popełnił samobójstwo, a przywołany lekarz nie zdołał go odratować (zabieg usunięcia z ciała odłamków drutu, które wkręcił sobie desperat, odbywał się bez znieczulenia, na zwykłym stole, ale za to w asyście Romkowskiego, Różańskiego i Światły); Wacław Dobrzyński, oficer sztabu głównego GL/AL, po wojnie wyższy funkcjonariusz w MBR który został zakatowany przez śledczego Jerzego Kędziorę; Kazimierz Cessanis, o którym brak bliższych danych, a wedle dokumentów zmarł na żółtaczkę. Protokoły zgonu wystawiane były na fikcyjne nazwiska. Były też przypadki śmierci i samobójstw w części więzienia mokotowskiego zarządzanej przez „grupę specjalną”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8004:1580:21F4:9123:A9FE:B5BA:D558 ( talk) 21:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Lech Keller "Przyczynek do biografii Stanisława Lema" Acta Polonica Monashiensis (Monash University: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia) Volume 3 Number 2, R&S Press, Melbourne, Vic., 2019 I hope that you will take care of updating the main article so it will contain the full truth about Stanisław Lem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8004:1580:21F4:8854:B52C:ED72:A60E ( talk) 23:55, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
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In the lede, Sturgeon mentioned, in 1976, that Lem "was the most widely read science fiction writer in the world".
However, in the original article that the statement was made in, Sturgeon gives absolutely no proof for the statement - - - it is his opinion!
I researched online many lists of "the most widely read science fiction writer/author" and I cannot find Lem on any of them. And these are lists of the top 15 to 25 writers/authors. In most cases, the #1 position is given to, or held by, Isaac Asimov !
I think it needs to made clear, somewhere, that the 'label' of "most widely read," as used here, is a personal opinion and not backed up by any facts or statistics.
It's possible that, in 1976, Lem was the "most widely read;" but I doubt even that.
I suggest that the inclusion of the Sturgeon sentence be re-thought.
Opinions? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 01:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Could someone familiar with Lem's work translate the titles in Polish into English? If the books have not been translated, leave the Polish title but put a literal translation of the words in parentheses after it.- 86.43.171.190 ( talk) 17:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Staszek Lem: Are you in any way affiliated with Stanislaw Lem? If so you are required to disclose your conflict of interest. Read WP:COI. Sundayclose ( talk) 04:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Lem is overwhelmingly described as "Polish writer", not "Polish-Jewish writer". His Jewishness is described in the bio, and does not belong to the first line of the lede. Just like Richard Feynman is American physicist, not Jewish-American physicist. Lembit Staan ( talk) 19:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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This article (under the "Philip K. Dick" section) states that Lem "did not read in English", but the Solaris (novel) page states that he "read English fluently" ("English translation" section.) Neither assertion is attributed. Which is correct, and shouldn't the incorrect one be fixed? Wocky ( talk) 21:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
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It was first part of Poland first occupied by by Russian Empire then some mess during Russian Civil War ( West Ukrainian People's Republic) then occupied by Poland then by USSR. Anyway, see Lviv article. Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree SL birthplace -->> Lviv was in Poland at that time, I just wanted to underline that version with liberation those lands from Polish forces was also not untrue. Lviv was a Polish city but there was no referendum about those lands in 1920-22, so it is not so easy to define the status - occupied/liberated/conquered/annexed. History as well may treat those territories: Vilnius Region, Western Belarus, Western Ukraine, Latgalia as annexed by Polish army by force, not by any neutral referendum.
As to the question of liberation or occupation - it depends on a point of view, as the same army can be regarded by some people as liberators while by other - occupiers.
The reason was simple and obvious - Stanisław Lem did not receive his medical diploma, because his father worked in the UB (Stalinist secret politcal police, Division in Poland) medical division (IPN Archive file reference number Kr 057/962), so he would also have to work there. And because Samuel Lem was recommended to work in the Ministry of Public Security, i.e. in the UB, not by just anyone, because he was recommended by Dr. Leon (Lew) Gangel, then deputy and later the Head of Health Service of that ministry, Stanisław Lem knew well, what doctors employed in the UB had to do. Dr. Gangel was known for the fact that when prisoners abused by UB officers began to fall short, that dr Leon Gangel, the head of the MBP's (UB) health service at that time, was called, who ordered these prisoners strenuous strengthening treatments, so that UB officers could continue, without fear of death od a prisoner, their interrogations (Andrzej Paczkowski, Trzy twarze Józefa Światły. Przyczynek do historii komunizmu w Polsce ["Three faces of Józef Światło: a contribution to the history of communism in Poland"] Warsaw: Prószyński i ska, 2009 p. 114).
lech.keller@gmail.com
I quote in original Polish language: "Funkcjonariuszom zebranym w Miedzeszynie nie dano zbyt wiele czasu na przygotowanie się. Dzień po ich zjawieniu się w „Spacerze”, 13 października, aresztowany został Lechowicz, którego, po dowiezieniu do siedziby MBP przy ul. Koszykowej - od jego mieszkania w Alei Róż było to o „rzut beretem” - powitał Światło, a 14 lub 15 października odstawiono go do Miedzeszyna. Szybko posypali się kolejni aresztanci. W ciągu paru dni w „Spacerze” znalazł się prawie komplet więźniów, zapełniały się też cele wydzielonego pawilonu w więzieniu mokotowskim. W sumie do końca października aresztowano około 30 osób. Przesłuchania zaczynano od razu, niemal z marszu. Wedle oświadczenia, złożonego w 1954 r. przez Edmunda Kwaska, który w „Spacerze” służył od początku, pierwszym bitym więźniem był Alfred Jaroszewicz, ale „po kilku lub kilkunastu dniach zaczęto bić i pozostałych”. Polecenie bicia dawał Różański za aprobatą Romkowskiego, a później już szło samo z siebie. W jednym z pierwszych przesłuchań Jaroszewicza miał brać udział Światło, który uczestniczył w zbiorowym znęcaniu się nad aresztowanym. Kwasek zaznaczył, iż służba (ochrona wewnętrzna) aresztu zaczęła naśladować starszych stopniem i biła więźniów w czasie przyprowadzania na przesłuchanie lub w drodze powrotnej do celi. Ochrona wewnętrzna szykanowała więźniów w celach - wlewano wodę, budzono ich w nocy, kontrolowano, czy zgodnie z poleceniem aresztowani w ciągu dnia nie siadają. Więźniowie mieli przydzielone numery i wywoływani byli z cel tylko po tych numerach, choć funkcjonariusze ochrony zapewne znali nazwiska przynajmniej części aresztowanych. Poza Gomułką żaden z więźniów „Spaceru” nie korzystał z tego ważnego „przywileju”, jakim było wyjście, choćby na pół godziny, na spacerniak. Może dlatego obiekt nazwano tak przewrotnie. Gdy maltretowani zaczynali niedomagać, ściągano szefa służby zdrowia MBP dr Leona Gangla, który ordynował forsowne kuracje wzmacniające, aby bez obawy o zgon można było kontynuować przesłuchania. Mimo to w samym tylko „Spacerze” zmarło co najmniej trzech więźniów: Aleksander Giercyk, który popełnił samobójstwo, a przywołany lekarz nie zdołał go odratować (zabieg usunięcia z ciała odłamków drutu, które wkręcił sobie desperat, odbywał się bez znieczulenia, na zwykłym stole, ale za to w asyście Romkowskiego, Różańskiego i Światły); Wacław Dobrzyński, oficer sztabu głównego GL/AL, po wojnie wyższy funkcjonariusz w MBR który został zakatowany przez śledczego Jerzego Kędziorę; Kazimierz Cessanis, o którym brak bliższych danych, a wedle dokumentów zmarł na żółtaczkę. Protokoły zgonu wystawiane były na fikcyjne nazwiska. Były też przypadki śmierci i samobójstw w części więzienia mokotowskiego zarządzanej przez „grupę specjalną”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8004:1580:21F4:9123:A9FE:B5BA:D558 ( talk) 21:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Lech Keller "Przyczynek do biografii Stanisława Lema" Acta Polonica Monashiensis (Monash University: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia) Volume 3 Number 2, R&S Press, Melbourne, Vic., 2019 I hope that you will take care of updating the main article so it will contain the full truth about Stanisław Lem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8004:1580:21F4:8854:B52C:ED72:A60E ( talk) 23:55, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Scroll down a little bit
In the lede, Sturgeon mentioned, in 1976, that Lem "was the most widely read science fiction writer in the world".
However, in the original article that the statement was made in, Sturgeon gives absolutely no proof for the statement - - - it is his opinion!
I researched online many lists of "the most widely read science fiction writer/author" and I cannot find Lem on any of them. And these are lists of the top 15 to 25 writers/authors. In most cases, the #1 position is given to, or held by, Isaac Asimov !
I think it needs to made clear, somewhere, that the 'label' of "most widely read," as used here, is a personal opinion and not backed up by any facts or statistics.
It's possible that, in 1976, Lem was the "most widely read;" but I doubt even that.
I suggest that the inclusion of the Sturgeon sentence be re-thought.
Opinions? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 01:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Could someone familiar with Lem's work translate the titles in Polish into English? If the books have not been translated, leave the Polish title but put a literal translation of the words in parentheses after it.- 86.43.171.190 ( talk) 17:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Staszek Lem: Are you in any way affiliated with Stanislaw Lem? If so you are required to disclose your conflict of interest. Read WP:COI. Sundayclose ( talk) 04:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Lem is overwhelmingly described as "Polish writer", not "Polish-Jewish writer". His Jewishness is described in the bio, and does not belong to the first line of the lede. Just like Richard Feynman is American physicist, not Jewish-American physicist. Lembit Staan ( talk) 19:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)