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It seems that some dates in this article follow the Gregorian calendar while other dates follow the Julian calendar, sometimes following the Swedish system (Julian calendar until 1700-02-28 and then a huge mess), sometimes following the Polish system (Julian calendar until 1582-10-04 and then Gregorian calendar), without telling whether the Swedish or the Polish system is used. Can the calendar (Gregorian/Julian) be specified everywhere, in order to avoid confusion? As it is now, some dates differ between Swedish and English WP because different calendars are used on different Wikipedias, and that is confusing, since it doesn't tell what's used where. ( 212.247.11.156 ( talk) 17:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC))
I see no need for this edit which just denies the reader relevant and important knowledge about the king's different naming in the two countries he ruled. Nobody in one of those countries, Sweden, ever called him Sigismund III Vasa. Reversing again. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 17:04, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
file: c:File:Zygmunt Waza Soutman.jpg Reason:internet copy of File:Soutman Sigismund III Vasa in coronation robes (detail) 01.jpg subpage: link
Message automatically deposited by a robot on 09:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harideepan ( talk • contribs)
Well done, User:Oliszydlowski, I think this is almost ready for a GAN. A few sentences need citations. I recommend replacing century+ old sources like Fabisz 1864, Pears 1893, Czermiński 1907 and Dyer 1861 with a more modern reference (PSB is fine). What makes [1] reliable? Likewise, Kinga 2020 published by e-bookowo.pl is likely a WP:SPS. Lastly, we can surely find a more reliable source than [2] too (communist-era tourbook?). Overall, sourcing is close to a GA level, but I am unsure if FA reviewers would let those older sources slide or not; updating as much as possible to more modern scholarship is advisable. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
The lead gives an uninitiated reader the impression that he was known as Sigismund III even in Sweden (including Finland). That's not too great. The repetitious first-line bold text Sigismund III and Sigismund III of Poland strengthens that incorrect impression and, in any case, looks weird.
Also, why is his name in Polish Zygmunt not included up there?-- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 20:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Wording such as "monarch of" (in the lead) is too vague and highly unusual. What was his title there? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 13:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The name of the article does not coincide with what's in bold type at the very start of it. The name of the article is in bold type nowhere in the text. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 13:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
I think we are being overly pedantic here. The title of this Swedish-language biography focusing on Sigismund's reign in Poland tells us that a) Swedish historians do not find it so queer to call this king Sigismund Vasa, b) historians do not insist on using the numeral when discussing him as king of Poland. Therefore we can afford to be quite flexible in dealing with this non-issue. Surtsicna ( talk)
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Reviewer: SergeWoodzing ( talk · contribs) 14:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
As long as the lead's first line only has bold type on the name form used for this king in Poland, but not that used in Sweden, I will oppose this nomination. It now looks like he was called Sigismund III Vasa in both countries, which is wrong on 2 counts. See talk there. I also think the nomination should be made by someone other than the dominant contributor (but that's maybe just how I feel). -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Merangs, the last sentence in the third paragraph of lead seems like it could use editing: After a series of skirmishes ending in a truce, Gustavus II Adolphus launched a campaign against the Commonwealth which resulted in the partial loss of Polish Livonia and in Sigismund's claim to the Swedish crown
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Please note that although my suggestion sounds kind miniscule, I want to let you know that I can see and appreciate the hard work you've done on this article and the effort to make the sources accessible so that English speakers can verify most of the citations with the help of online translation tools if they choose. (At least the handful I glanced at.) Wtfiv ( talk) 00:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Simongraham ( talk · contribs) 19:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
This looks an interesting article which looks to be not that far short of a GA on an initial cursory inspection. I will start a full review shortly. simongraham ( talk) 19:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Merangs: This is a really good article and the edits are minor. Please ping me when you would like me to take another look. simongraham ( talk) 13:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
The six good article criteria:
Congratulations. This article meets the criteria to be a Good Article. simongraham ( talk) 13:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
I have no intention of starting a RM right away, but I'd appreciate a reply from User:Merangs (who just improved this to GA) over why Sigismund is preferred to Zygmunt. I'll note that the inconsistency of calling father with Latin/English name (Sigismund) and the son, Polish ( Władysław IV Vasa) is a bit jarring. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
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Improved to Good Article status by Merangs ( talk). Self-nominated at 04:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC).
This article is unfortunately riddled with historical copyright issues introduced in approximately 2014 (all sources listed below clearly pre-date the edits). Because it is a Good Article, I have endeavored to rewrite rather than simply remove the content. Obviously I have no complaints if someone rewrites my rewrites, but the content should under no circumstances be restored to its previous state.
The CV-introducing edits and their respective sources are here:
Thank you and my apologies for having to do this. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
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It seems that some dates in this article follow the Gregorian calendar while other dates follow the Julian calendar, sometimes following the Swedish system (Julian calendar until 1700-02-28 and then a huge mess), sometimes following the Polish system (Julian calendar until 1582-10-04 and then Gregorian calendar), without telling whether the Swedish or the Polish system is used. Can the calendar (Gregorian/Julian) be specified everywhere, in order to avoid confusion? As it is now, some dates differ between Swedish and English WP because different calendars are used on different Wikipedias, and that is confusing, since it doesn't tell what's used where. ( 212.247.11.156 ( talk) 17:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC))
I see no need for this edit which just denies the reader relevant and important knowledge about the king's different naming in the two countries he ruled. Nobody in one of those countries, Sweden, ever called him Sigismund III Vasa. Reversing again. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 17:04, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
file: c:File:Zygmunt Waza Soutman.jpg Reason:internet copy of File:Soutman Sigismund III Vasa in coronation robes (detail) 01.jpg subpage: link
Message automatically deposited by a robot on 09:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harideepan ( talk • contribs)
Well done, User:Oliszydlowski, I think this is almost ready for a GAN. A few sentences need citations. I recommend replacing century+ old sources like Fabisz 1864, Pears 1893, Czermiński 1907 and Dyer 1861 with a more modern reference (PSB is fine). What makes [1] reliable? Likewise, Kinga 2020 published by e-bookowo.pl is likely a WP:SPS. Lastly, we can surely find a more reliable source than [2] too (communist-era tourbook?). Overall, sourcing is close to a GA level, but I am unsure if FA reviewers would let those older sources slide or not; updating as much as possible to more modern scholarship is advisable. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
The lead gives an uninitiated reader the impression that he was known as Sigismund III even in Sweden (including Finland). That's not too great. The repetitious first-line bold text Sigismund III and Sigismund III of Poland strengthens that incorrect impression and, in any case, looks weird.
Also, why is his name in Polish Zygmunt not included up there?-- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 20:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Wording such as "monarch of" (in the lead) is too vague and highly unusual. What was his title there? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 13:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The name of the article does not coincide with what's in bold type at the very start of it. The name of the article is in bold type nowhere in the text. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 13:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
I think we are being overly pedantic here. The title of this Swedish-language biography focusing on Sigismund's reign in Poland tells us that a) Swedish historians do not find it so queer to call this king Sigismund Vasa, b) historians do not insist on using the numeral when discussing him as king of Poland. Therefore we can afford to be quite flexible in dealing with this non-issue. Surtsicna ( talk)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: SergeWoodzing ( talk · contribs) 14:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
As long as the lead's first line only has bold type on the name form used for this king in Poland, but not that used in Sweden, I will oppose this nomination. It now looks like he was called Sigismund III Vasa in both countries, which is wrong on 2 counts. See talk there. I also think the nomination should be made by someone other than the dominant contributor (but that's maybe just how I feel). -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Merangs, the last sentence in the third paragraph of lead seems like it could use editing: After a series of skirmishes ending in a truce, Gustavus II Adolphus launched a campaign against the Commonwealth which resulted in the partial loss of Polish Livonia and in Sigismund's claim to the Swedish crown
.
Please note that although my suggestion sounds kind miniscule, I want to let you know that I can see and appreciate the hard work you've done on this article and the effort to make the sources accessible so that English speakers can verify most of the citations with the help of online translation tools if they choose. (At least the handful I glanced at.) Wtfiv ( talk) 00:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Simongraham ( talk · contribs) 19:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
This looks an interesting article which looks to be not that far short of a GA on an initial cursory inspection. I will start a full review shortly. simongraham ( talk) 19:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Merangs: This is a really good article and the edits are minor. Please ping me when you would like me to take another look. simongraham ( talk) 13:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
The six good article criteria:
Congratulations. This article meets the criteria to be a Good Article. simongraham ( talk) 13:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
I have no intention of starting a RM right away, but I'd appreciate a reply from User:Merangs (who just improved this to GA) over why Sigismund is preferred to Zygmunt. I'll note that the inconsistency of calling father with Latin/English name (Sigismund) and the son, Polish ( Władysław IV Vasa) is a bit jarring. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
09:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Merangs ( talk). Self-nominated at 04:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC).
This article is unfortunately riddled with historical copyright issues introduced in approximately 2014 (all sources listed below clearly pre-date the edits). Because it is a Good Article, I have endeavored to rewrite rather than simply remove the content. Obviously I have no complaints if someone rewrites my rewrites, but the content should under no circumstances be restored to its previous state.
The CV-introducing edits and their respective sources are here:
Thank you and my apologies for having to do this. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)