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September 11 attacks → September 11, 2001 attacks – In my opinion it would be better move the page at September 11, 2001 attacks to distinguish the page from any future attacks that will take place on 11 September. Dr Salvus ( talk) 19:50, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello there. Having looked at the images in the infobox, I think the three of the Pentagon at the bottom need to be replaced. They are very unclear, even when they are clicked on to make the image larger and thus I don't think they could be useful to a reader. I suggest changing the images to one or two from this category. Please let me know what you think. Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 23:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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The citation at "Congressional Record, Vol. 148, Pt. 7, May 23, 2002 to June 12, 2002" lists a page number that is clearly incorrect. It shows a page of 9909 while linking to a book with 1466 pages, so that's clearly incorrect. I've looked online and I am not able to find a full copy of this myself. I assume that the citation is otherwise accurate, at least as far as the source is concerned - just the wrong page is listed. (Maybe it was supposed to be 909?) Assuming the correct page number cannot be quickly found, we should just remove it for now. 192.88.255.9 ( talk) 14:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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As the 20th anniversary of the September 11 attacks approaches, I thought (and I'm sure many others concur) it would be great to push for the ambitious yet difficult Today's featured article by the 11th of September to commemorate the event. Would it perhaps be realistic for us editors to try to get this to FAC (maybe peer-review first) and all the way to TFA by the deadline? With many experienced editors and reviewers, I don't see why that wouldn't be possible. Wretchskull ( talk) 17:59, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Should there be a part in the info box citing Al-Qaeda's reasons for the attacks? What were their motives anyway?-- 72.42.172.83 ( talk) 05:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Why is it that the first table in the section Attacks gives the total number of deaths as 2,765 while elsewhere in the article the number is given as 2,996? Linguist111 talk 21:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Should the death toll include the people that have died of cancer and/or other ilnesses due to 9/11? Elliottharvickfan94 ( talk) 02:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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In the infobox, please change 8:46 to 8:46 a.m., in order to make the time more specific. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 21:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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Since it crashed into a field, the exact building intended to be hit by Flight 93 is not decisively known although it has been believed by U.S. authorities that the U.S. Capitol or the White House were Flight 93's potential targets.
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There is a typo in the first sentence of the second paragraph. The letter f is missing from the word “four”.
“On Tuesday morning, our commercial airliners from the northeastern United States were scheduled to land in California.” 2604:3D09:97E:B200:AD62:FFE4:CFDD:5529 ( talk) 07:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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In the first sentence of the third paragraph "The George W. Bush's adiminsitration [...]" sounds strange. It should be either "George W. Bush's administration" or "The George W. Bush administration". JamieFleming ( talk) 00:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I don’t think this article dwells enough on the geo-political fallout vis-à-vis the West. There is no doubt in my mind that the attacks caused a lurch to the right in both the USA and Europe. The liberal order that had held sway was already under pressure given the rise of the right in America after Clinton, however the attacks accelerated the shift. It took Europe longer, but it no doubt had the same effect there. The attacks, and the bungled (re invasion of Iraq) response from the West emboldened Islamic fundamentalists all over the world.
Separately, it lead to a heightened tensions between the West and the Muslim world. The US invasion of Iraq resulted in the deaths of over 100000 civilian deaths, destabilized the Middle East, upsetting the balance of power between Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia that remains unresolved, ultimately leading to the Syrian civil war and the rise of ISIS. Iran emerged as a major actor in the region, shaping anti-West sentiment in tne region and putting pressure on Israel through Hezbollah and the Palestinians.
Further, one can trace much of the root cause of the current refugee/migrant crises Europe faces from ME countries, Afghanistan, Pakistan and North Africa to the 9/11 attacks.
I think these aspects need to be reviewed and documented. What would the geopolitical situation look like had the attacks not transpired?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:2696:8b00:a0fb:ac79:9949:e39d ( talk) 16:35, August 11, 2021 (UTC)
How come timelines have different flight departures and crashes? For instance, the link here has Flight 93 taking off at 8:41 a.m. and crashing at 10:07 a.m. [2] 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 14:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
This is an inaccurate term and should be replaced by "extremist." Wahabism is not listed as the motivation for the attacks. Clearly states below it was because of 1) US support for Israel 2) US troop presence in Saudi Arabia and 3) US sanction on Iran. The controversy with the term "Islamist" isn't related to Sunni or Shia. See the article I cited from Politico. Islamist is a political ideology not necessarily tied to extremism. https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/04/ap-stylebook-revises-islamist-use-160943 Rethinkmedia487 ( talk) 18:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
"militant Sunni Islamist"description seen at Al-Qaeda, Wikipedia is not bound by the AP's style guide nor by the statements of Osama bin Laden. Once that distinction is made, much of the rationale for your edit ceases to function. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 18:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
"Because Osama bin Laden and most of the hijackers are Saudi nationals, it was assumed that al-Qaeda is an expression of Wahhabism. That is not the case. Wahhabi ulama have maintained that it is the prerogative of the ruler to determine when conditions warrant jihad."
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"militant Sunni Islamist"or perhaps Salafist. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 20:51, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I just made an article for the recently released documentary Generation 9/11 (film), which tells the stories of seven children of men killed in the September 11th terrorist attacks who were too young to understand what occurred or were not yet born. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 17:32, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
In the lede, there is a missing comma, which I can't fix because the article is locked: "This flight was the only plane not to hit its intended target instead crashing in a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 10:03 am." There should be a comma after "target." -- Fashionslide ( talk) 12:07, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please change '19 years ago' to 20 years ago' 2A00:23C4:6410:FB00:CCF2:919D:62E5:CF6A ( talk) 23:05, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
"Bin Laden said he had personally directed his followers to attack the World Trade Center"
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"Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent"
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45.144.113.217 ( talk) 11:09, 11 September 2021 (UTC)remove the porn picture of the article pls
The article currently states that UA93 was only a "partially successful diversion from target." I disagree with these choice of words. They absolutely were not "partially" successful. The heroic individuals aboard UA93 were 100% successful in their intent to prevent United 93 from reaching the terrorists' intended target of the U.S. Capitol or White House. These brave individuals used the extremely limited information available to them at the time to make the impossible decision to risk and sacrifice their lives (they may have failed to save themselves but they prevented the hijackers from reaching their target). To indicate their sacrifice was anything short of an absolute success sounds wrong. The article is locked for editing but I personally believe this needs to be changed. Please discuss if you agree/disagree. 213.107.66.176 ( talk) 03:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Remove the 2 blank lines at the start of the article, between "For other uses, see 9/11 (disambiguation) and September 11 attacks (disambiguation)." and "The September 11 attacks..." INDT ( talk) 11:52, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Remove that grotesque picture!! 156.57.250.82 ( talk) 22:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Someone has added a photo of an individual actively deficating to this page.
I would suggest removing the image immediately. 2001:56A:7203:C200:2566:8906:17A1:1288 ( talk) 22:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please remove the discussing photos on this page. I don’t even understand how they got here in the first place 109.129.154.124 ( talk) 22:42, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the lead collage of the article could be improved. Some of the choices are not the most compelling options available (particularly the Flight 93 remains and the bottom three), the towers impact photo is repeated from the body and partially redundant to the lead photo, and the collage as a whole is a single file, rather than {{ Multiple image}}, which makes for a better reader experience by making clicking on an image go to a full-sized version of it.
My proposed replacement is above. I'm going to boldly implement it momentarily, as this article is getting a lot of pageviews today. Here's some rationale behind the choices:
The whole collage is a line shorter than the current one, which is good, as this article has a long infobox. Please let me know if you have any thoughts or comments. Regards, {{u| Sdkb}} talk 20:07, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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There has been a lot of criticism of the NIST report demonstrating that it is contradicted by physical evidence. Why is this not mentioned? Why are there no links under see also to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and 9/11 conspiracy theories? This criticism is so prominent that it cannot be ignored, whether you agree with it or not. 130.226.230.24 ( talk)
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Remove vandalism 2600:1700:7E8:9800:0:0:0:B ( talk) 22:37, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Why is the time the attacks began as stated in the infobox that of the time Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower? Would it not make more sense to change it to 8:14, the time of Flight 11's hijacking (and the first hijacking overall in the attacks)? People were attacked and died on board the plane before it hit the tower, such as Daniel Lewin and Captain John Ogonowski. They are victims of the September 11 attacks just like everyone else who died after the North Tower was hit. 148.252.129.49 ( talk) 21:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Last time I saw the page it was fine and I wanted to fine tune the page's language. For example instead of saying on that morning I would have said on Tuesday morning but the page is extended confirmed protected. Can someone please explain what happened? I can't see the edits that were made previously with the images some described as offensive. I am hoping now that the editor responsible for the vandalism has been suspended that the page's status can be lowered as I have not attained the XP to edit. Thank you for your time.
* {{ vandal|Ultima the Hedgehog}} Putting graphic images and blatantly defacing the page. ~~~~ Aricmfergie ( talk) 22:34, 11 September 2021 (UTC) This graphic image was removed before. SidChat2048 ( talk) 05:21, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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A Wikipedian with proper level of access is kindly requested to change Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan to Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001) on this section and, if possible, any other relevant part of the article. Thanks. KachaleMouferferee ( talk) 19:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
There are currently quite a few references in the lead, including a group of three halfway through the first sentence. I don't want to just delete these since many of them look like quality sources, but per MOS:LEADCITE, they shouldn't be in the lead. Is anyone interested in going through and transferring them to the body/bibliography as needed? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 21:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
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There is a line under the "Casualties" section that reads The New York City Fire Department (FDNY) lost 343 firefighters, including a chaplain and two paramedics. The word firefighters should be changed to "members" or similar. FDNY did lose 343 members, but only 340 firefighters. As mentioned, the other three where a chaplain and two medics. 100.6.141.126 ( talk) 16:25, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
I think this may need taking to RSN, the nfpa may well be a professional body, that does not mean it is an RS for who or who is not a fire fighter. Slatersteven ( talk) 11:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Adjusted for the deaths of 340 firefighters at the World Trade Center in 2001[...]
Commissioner Nigro acknowledged Ronnie J. Gies, who was promoted to Lieutenant and follows in the footsteps of his father, Lieutenant Ronnie E. Gies of Squad 288, who was one of the 343 FDNY members to make the Supreme Sacrifice on September 11, 2001."
Fire Commissioner Daniel A. Nigro will lead a special commemoration ceremony on Wednesday, October 17, marking the 52nd anniversary of the 23rd Street fire – which took the lives of 12 New York City firefighters on October 17, 1966 – the deadliest day in the history of the FDNY until September 11, 2001, when 343 members were killed at the World Trade Center..
Firefighter Stephen Belson of Battalion 7, Firefighter Alan Feinberg of Battalion 9, and Firefighter David Weiss of Rescue 1 are three of the 343 FDNY members who made the Supreme Sacrifice on September 11th, 2001.
Lieutenant Riches is the brother of Firefighter James C. Riches, one of the 343 FDNY members who made the Supreme Sacrifice on September 11, 2001.
His brother, Firefighter Thomas Foley, also of Rescue Company 3, was one of 343 FDNY members killed on September 11th, 2001.
He is following in the footsteps of his father, Firefighter Paul Tegtmeier, one of the 343 FDNY Members killed on September 11, 2001.
Probationary Firefighter Rebecca Asaro, who graduated today alongside her brother, Probationary Firefighter Marc Asaro, is following in the footsteps of their father, Firefighter Carl Asaro of Engine 54, one of the 343 FDNY members killed on September 11th.
Our Department made a solemn promise to never forget the bravery and sacrifice of the 343 members who gave their lives on September 11th, and the growing list of heroes who have died due to illnesses related to their courageous work throughout the rescue and recovery effort," said Fire Commissioner Daniel A. Nigro.
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change the linkless "passenger revolt" text to a link to the passenger revolt section of the "united airlines flight 93" article Loganp23 ( talk) 02:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
As you may know, "Reactions" sectors or columns, and especially their list format and flags, are despised by many editors as unencyclopedic quotefarms sourced to primary sources such as Twitter. Also, Every major Office holder and politician have mourned the death. Thus, these "Reactions" should be trimmed from the "Aftermaths" section. 2401:4900:44C1:CA63:B62:3931:3073:5F34 ( talk) 07:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Under "Attacks", the section on "Damage" refers to St. Nicholas Orthodox Church, but that is not shown on the image of the damage. It, and all other structures mentioned as damaged, should be included on the image of the damage and marked in the overlay. I found this: http://crimescenedb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/911-04-full.jpg but it is only a map and doesn't show the damage; it is, however, the only image I can find that includes all the structures that were damaged. Dismalscholar ( talk) 02:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I just feel like I needed to point out that in the beginning of the second paragraph, which reads "The first plane to hit its target was American Airlines Flight 11. It was flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center complex in Lower Manhattan at 8:46 am.", the words highlighted in bold are a redirect, to an article of the tenants in the One World Trade Center, the current building which was opened in 2014. Based on the context of this sentence, I think this redirect should be removed, and instead replaced with a redirect to an article of the tenants in the previous 1 World Trade Center, the building opened in 1973 and destroyed in 2001. I just believe it makes the article more sensical. -- Medalpager ( talk) 11:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hello. The death count says 2,996 people died that day, however I believe that there should also be a note below the death count saying people continue to die today from cancer and other sickness due to exposure while rescuing survivors. They sacrificed, they died, and should be remembered. 76.109.122.155 ( talk) 05:10, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Thank you for your quick response. Unfortunately this is not a "Change X to Y" rather it is a request for a small footnote right below the official death count of 2,996 on the main information block. And yes while I am aware that there is a separate page describing casualties, the issue is that most other people do not know it exists, so when they google the attacks and see the death count in the right hand box, they should also be a part below it in parenthesis or asterisk or however you want to form it. As long as people who visit the September 11 attacks page, not the casualties of the September 11 attacks page, and see that more have died as a direct result of the attack after the initial 2,996 people, then that will allow the stories for those who are not currently represented on the figure to know how its long term impacts and not just immediate. They should not have to visit another page to find that information out. And if this is confusing to you then I am sorry I don't know how else to phrase it I just want to see the real story told completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.122.155 ( talk) 05:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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Can we add to the sentence in the "casualties" section to make: Casualties in the South Tower were significantly reduced because some occupants decided to leave the building as soon as the North Tower was struck, and because Rick Rescorla, head of security at Morgan Stanley, defied an order to remain in place and evacuated almost all of the company's 2,700 employees in the South Tower to safety after Flight 11 had struck the North Tower. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B065:F8DB:31E4:61E0:EE11:128B ( talk) 05:58, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
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remove the parts about Islamists since it paints a bad picture of Islam and it was also proven that Muslims were not the ones who caused 9/11 197.60.95.183 ( talk) 07:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
The 9/11 memorial pool should not be shown in the Infobox as the photos there are about events that took place on the day of September 11 2001. -- Aaron106 ( talk) 19:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, on September 17 2001, the FBI was able to confirm the identity of eight of the hijackers during interrogations with bin Laden’s former chief bodyguard, who was the time jailed in a Yemeni prison (the FBI confirmed the names of all hijackers well before, but it's one thing to confirm the names and quite another thing to confirm their al Qaeda membership). From my point of view, I would suggest to add this to the article in the section "5.1 FBI" probably before the sentence On September 27, 2001, they released photos of all 19 hijackers.... I would suggest the following text (but feel free to polish it, I am not a native English speaker anyway). Thanks!
Abu Jandal, who served as bin Laden’s chief bodyguard for years, confirmed the identity of eight hijackers during interrogations with the FBI on September 17. He had been jailed in a Yemeni prison since 2000.
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Hello, my question with the article is regarding why September 11 is still an extended confirmed protected article and if it will ever return to the protection status it once was? From my research the actor responsible for the vandalism of the article and others has been blocked, yet the page remains protected. Thank you for your time.
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Thank you very much! FictiousLibrarian ( talk). 01:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Date is wrong: Maythefourth576 ( talk) 19:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Maythefourth
I just want to edit the article itself and some conspiracy theories, that some governments in the Middle East were participating in the attacks, although I have to become careful right, because if there's something wrong, it'll be your turn. Takeshi Ishii 00:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add a comma after 8:14 a.m. and a period after attacks. 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 06:16, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Done ✅ Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 11:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the article: "On the morning of Tuesday September 11, 2001"
There should be a comma between Tuesday and September. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5230:8880:98DF:4897:3398:D294 ( talk) 17:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
The section Al-Qaeda contains a couple of errors and does not really use high-quality sources.
In the Western literature the terms “Afghan Arabs” and “Arab Afghans” are used in roughly equal measure, but “Afghan Arabs” is more logical, because these men were Arabs who had been “Afghanized” by their involvement. Another reason to use “Afghan Arabs” for the foreign fighters is that there is actually an ethnic group in Afghanistan that identifies as Arab, claiming heritage from previous Arab migrations into Afghanistan.
It’s worth mentioning here that there is simply no evidence for the common myth that bin Laden and his Afghan Arabs were supported by the CIA financially. Nor is there any evidence that CIA officials at any level met with bin Laden or anyone in his circle. [...] No independent evidence of the CIA supporting al-Qaeda has emerged in the four decades since the end of the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan.
No proof exists of collaboration between the CIA and the Afghan Arabs. No record or interview to this effect has surfaced in the three decades since the Afghanistan war.
To date, no researcher has produced documentation of direct links between Washington and bin Laden or, for that matter, Zarqawi. The weight of evidence suggests that the CIA and the future leaders of Al-Qaeda and ISIS were not in communication with one another during the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan.
There is no evidence that bin Laden’s key strategic decision to target the American “head of the snake” had any input from the Egyptian militant Ayman al-Zawahiri, despite later claims that Zawahiri was really the “brains” behind bin Laden. Indeed, bin Laden did not involve Zawahiri in the planning of his major operations, including the 9/11 attacks. The troika who founded and ran al-Qaeda was bin Laden at the apex and his two key military commanders, Abu Ubayda and Abu Hafs the Egyptian, both of whom had been on bin Laden’s payroll since the beginning of 1987. They were bin Laden’s men, not Zawahiri’s. Meanwhile, Zawahiri’s obsessive goal was overthrowing the “near enemy” Egyptian regime, a subject that bin Laden evinced very little interest in and that he rarely discussed in his public statements. Instead, the majority of bin Laden’s statements focused on what he described as American and Jewish aggression against Muslims, while his second-most-important topic was his criticism of the Saudi government, in particular for its alliance with the United States.
Probably best to rewrite this section. -- Jo1971 ( talk) 20:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
"Bin Laden's group was one of many that received intelligence, and equipment from the CIA."Instead, the Social Justice article states (accurately, as far as I know) that:
"Osama bin Laden had been brought to Afghanistan by his friend Prince Turki, the head of Saudi intelligence. The young bin Laden—tall, handsome, devout, and rich—was the next best thing to the real Saudi prince that the ISI had long requested. In Afghanistan, bin Laden's tasks included building infrastructure, coordinating logistics for the mujahedeen, dishing out funds, and, later, fighting. As one of the leaders of the international volunteers, bin Laden kept track of the other recruits, registering their identities and contact information. From this roster, it is said, emerged al Qaeda."Assuming good faith, it is possible that FictiousLibrarian could have misread that (or similar passages) and thought that the author was stating (or perhaps implying) that
"Bin Laden's group was one of many that received intelligence, and equipment from the CIA."However, in wiki-parlance I would have to say that the edit fails verification. Accordingly, I have restored the previous long-standing version of this article, while merging two sentences of relevant background information from Soviet–Afghan War. A full rewrite using the sources above could also be welcome, but keep in mind that our focus here is the September 11 attacks themselves—the "Background" section does not need to be massive or fully comprehensive. Finally, FictiousLibrarian's edit included an unsourced assertion that
"Al-Qaeda during this time had also undertaken acts of terrorism including the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing,"which I mention because our 1993 World Trade Center bombing article does not appear to support this attribution. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 19:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Ayman al-Zawahiri is listed in the infobox together with bin Laden as perpetrator. Peter Bergen writes there's no evidence he had any role in planning 9/11 and I do not see a reference for this claim in the article. So I would suggest to remove his name from the infobox.
Bergen, Peter (2021). The Rise and Fall of Osama bin Laden. New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 92. ISBN 978-1-9821-7052-3.
In fact, there is no evidence that Zawahiri had a role in the planning of any of al-Qaeda’s major anti-American attacks against the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000, and 9/11 itself.
-- Jo1971 ( talk) 16:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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I request permission to add a sub-section detailing the negative domestic indirect effects of 9/11, such as politicians using the tragedy to further political agendas at an unprecedented scale. For instance, Republicans have been suspected of using 9/11 as an excuse to expand the NSA, not in order to protect Americans, but to exercise a higher degree of control over society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.122.28.167 ( talk) 18:21, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
The true death toll is 7,437 this includes deaths from the original attack. Deaths from Sept 12,2001 to July 31,2022 include deaths directly cause by the attacks. deaths related to asbestos exposure, Smoke and concreate dust lung damages. Lung damage from chemicals and fuel burning. The melting of plastic fumes and vapor gas. 50.102.147.20 ( talk) 19:50, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Of course, you don't find any sources. You don't have a government approved need to know to have access to the medical data of the victim's Starting Sept 12, 2001, to July 31,2022.
Hmm1994 makes a good point on the number of injuries. Determination of "injury" is somewhat subjective, but the comparatively high 25,000 figure (present in the lead and infobox) is cited to [7]. Have there been previous discussions on this topic? Is there an official government source on injury count? Ovinus ( talk) 04:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Is this really the best image of Flight 175 hitting the South Tower we can get? Much of the South Tower is obstructed by the North Tower being positioned closer to the camera, billowing smoke coming from the North Tower's crash zone, the fireball, and what appears to be an apartment building at the bottom of the picture. I propose either of these two photographs [1] [2] as a replacement, depending on whether or not their inclusion on the site falls under fair use. Hmm1994 ( talk) 07:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Video titled "American Airlines Flight 175 crashes into WTC 2" should be renamed "United Airlines Flight 175 crashes into WTC 2" Romanian1106 ( talk) 15:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
This graph depicting the attacks on the Twin Towers (featured under the planning subheading on this article) is wrong. It claims that Flight 11 hit the North Tower between floors 94-98 while Flight 175 hit the South Tower between floors 78-84; in actual fact, it was floors 93-99 and 77-85, respectively. I went into Photoshop, did a bit of tweaking, and was wondering if we could replace it with my edited version for the sake of accuracy? Here it is:
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I'm not sure what to think or do about this, but just wanted to make y'all aware of it. When I hover over any Wikilinks to the article, the image popup is that beauty shot/studio photograph of Osama Bin-laden. Maybe it should be, as he was the most directly responsible person for 9/11. I would prefer that the image be the one in the infobox. I don't know how we control that, what image shows. I thought it would be the first one, the one in the infobox, but clearly not. We should at least consider here on the talk page what image is the most appropriate one for the popup for this article. FeralOink ( talk) 10:17, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Why does the article use this picture to illustrate the debris field from the two crashes and not this one? The second is more accurate and a lot easier on the eyes as well, since there's at least a hatch in the line to depict the landing gear going behind the South Tower. In the first one, it literally looks like the landing gear emerged from the northeast corner of the North Tower and flew past the South Tower's eastern facade before somehow landing in West Street. Hmm1994 ( talk) 05:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Sorry if I double posted, I wasn’t logged in. But this article by business insider includes a memo which demonstrates that CIA director Tenet did not “fail to warn” the White House. In fact, he warned them 40 separate times about an impending attack- and the Bush admin dismissed it.
This is crucial information and shows a profound negligence on the White House’s part.
https://www.businessinsider.com/911-commission-memo-declassified-bush-cheney-attacks-bin-laden-qaeda-2022-11?utm_source=reddit.com GonzoTribune ( talk) 00:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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It would be relevant to include a quote by the Prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, which is "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq". This is from a Haaretz article from 2008. Haaretz is a respected Israeli newspaper if you are not familiar with them. Aurela111 ( talk) 09:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
WP:ONUS is clear it is the person who wished to add content that needs wp:consensus on their side. I have not seen one RS say this was anything other than a terror attack, not a targeted assassination (that failed). This should be reverted until the is a consensus to add it, that is how wp:brd works. Slatersteven ( talk) 15:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Two users have now objected, no argument has been made in support of this edit, I will now revert. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Straight from this article under the subsection of Attacks "The four crashes". It states "In an April 2002 interview, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh, who are believed to have organized the attacks, said Flight 93's intended target was the United States Capitol, not the White House. During the planning stage of the attacks, Mohamed Atta (Flight 11's hijacker and pilot) thought the White House might be too tough a target and sought an assessment from Hani Hanjour (who hijacked and piloted Flight 77). Two sources used here:
Stated in lead of the article: "The fourth and final flight, United Airlines Flight 93, flew in the direction of Washington, D.C. Alerted of the previous attacks, the plane's passengers attempted to gain control of the aircraft, but the hijackers ultimately crashed the plane in a field in Stonycreek Township, Pennsylvania, near Shanksville at 10:03 a.m. Investigators determined that Flight 93 was targeting either the United States Capitol or the White House."
From the Flight 93 article under the subsection Aftermath "Possible targets":
"The intended target of Flight 93 has never been definitively confirmed. [1] However, investigators have said there is high probability that the most likely target was the United States Capitol." [2] [3]
"Before the attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Osama bin Laden, and Mohammed Atef developed a list of potential targets. Bin Laden wanted to destroy the White House and the Pentagon. Sheikh Mohammed wanted to strike the World Trade Center and all three wanted to hit the Capitol. No one else was involved in the initial selection of targets. [4] Bin Laden told 9/11 planner Ramzi bin al-Shibh to advise Mohamed Atta that he preferred the White House over the Capitol as a target. [5] Atta cautioned bin al-Shibh that this would be difficult, but agreed to include the White House as a possible target and suggested they keep the Capitol as an alternative in case the White House proved too difficult. Eventually, Atta told bin al-Shibh that Jarrah planned to hit the Capitol. [5] Atta briefly mentioned the possibility of striking a nuclear facility, but relented after the other attack pilots voiced their opposition. [5] Based on an exchange between Atta and bin al-Shibh two days before the attacks, the White House would be the primary target for the fourth plane and the Capitol the secondary target. [6] If any pilot could not reach his intended target, he was to crash the plane." [5]
To have Flight 93 attack either the White House and Capitol Building is intended to kill members of the government like that of elected officials. Therefore, the plot with Flight 93 was to assassinate them. Since 93 never reached Washington it failed. Thus, failing to reach meant it failed to assassinate. And majority of the assessment from the sources all point to the Capitol building as the intended target. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 18:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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I added a sentence in the intro about how the U.S. failed in Afghanistan but it was reverted.
I don't really understand. The whole Afghan war happened because of 9/11 attacks, isn't it relevant how it turned out? Reading it now one would think it was some sort of success because bin Laden got killed. When in reality, right as I type this, al-Qaeda sans bin Laden is in Afghanistan just like they were before 9/11. The whole thing was a failure.
Am I wrong? CJK ( talk) 21:30, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
U.S. leaders are on record explaining why we were in Afghanistan
I don't think the 9/11 memorial should be shown in the infobox as the pictures are about the events that took place on September 11th 2001, and rather could be added to the memorial section instead. September 11 attacks#Memorials -- Aaron106 ( talk) 21:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Hmm1994 We would need about a replacement picture of 9/11 we could use to replace the memorial. Any picture from here do you like? Aaron106 ( talk) 16:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
How many were actually killed in the attacks? This page's infobox claims 3,013 lives were lost but everywhere else seems to go with a figure of 2,996. 109.78.173.137 ( talk) 15:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Under the Section "Investigations>>FBI", the very last paragraph is a bit misleading when it cites source [412]. The wikipedia article says "The FBI did not record the 2,977 deaths from the attacks in their annual violent crime index for 2001." The report *did* fully tally those deaths, but in separate tables from the rest of the data, in an entirely separate section of the report (section V, pages 301-307 of that section). This Wikipedia article correctly quoted the report when it said "the FBI stated that 'the number of deaths is so great that combining it with the traditional crime statistics will have an outlier effect that falsely skews all types of measurements in the program's analyses.' ", but they didn't just delete the data from the report, but rather quarantined it from the rest of the data so that it didn't unfairly skew the results. It should also be noted that the way the report bundled the causes of death together: the report classified *all* of the deaths related to the attacks (minus the 19 hijackers, of course) as murder, *including* those who died by jumping: "UCR Program has classified those deaths for the purpose of presenting these data as murder and nonnegligent manslaughter" (page 303 of the report). I found the text for section 5 (pages 301-314) of the CIUS 2001 report--that wikipedia cited as [412]--at the following URL: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/01sec5.pdf Also, for reference, source [412] as cited in this wikipedia article: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/toc01.pdf INSANITYISAVIRTUE ( talk) 18:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
How do we define “part of” in the phrase “part of the War on Terror”? Is 9/11 considered to be part of the War on Terror? Someone edited saying that because 9/11 led to the war and caused the war, and didn’t happen as a wartime battle or attack, that it’s not part of the war. But I can also see it as being part of the war because it was the precipitating event. I can see it either way, I’m neutral about it. Just wanna throw this out there and see what we’ve got. Opinions? Thoughts? Perspectives? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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Missing word: "Similar pre-impact evacuations were carried out by companies such as Fiduciary Trust" 149.86.189.14 ( talk) 15:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
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This picture was seemingly taken by Lyle Owerko, but the picture itself is tagged as "This image is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government]] supposedly by an employee of the NIST and "released" because of a FOIA (which has nothing to do with being public domain or not). Is there any evidence that the picture actually is in the Public Domain? Macktheknifeau ( talk) 10:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
I added content from Jacobin https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=September_11_attacks&diff=prev&oldid=1156612334. But the content has been erased. Jacobin is on the list of approved sources Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and I should be able to use it. [10] [11] Chances last a finite time ( talk) 19:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
"Although reliable sources have repeatedly reported on conspiracy theories, reporting on conspiracy theories is not the same thing as advocating conspiracy theories or accepting them as fact."DDMS123 ( talk) 20:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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After delays in the design of a replacement complex, the One World Trade Center began construction in November 2006 and opened in November 2014.
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After delays in the design of a replacement complex, construction of the One World Trade Center began in November 2006; it opened in November 2014.
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Additional information to include: The profile of General Timmons recounts that on the morning of September 11, 2001, she was the first officer on United Airlines flight 23 preparing to take-off from New York’s JFK Airport bound for Los Angeles. The plane had already pulled away from the gate and was taxiing down the runway when the airport was shut down and the crew was ordered to secure the cockpit.
Timmons confirmed that as the pilot grabbed the crash ax, she jumped from her seat and started barricading the cockpit door. From the other side of the barricade the cabin crew relayed their concern about four young Arab men in first-class who became agitated when the take-off was cancelled, and fled from the plane when it returned to the terminal. Box cutters and Al Qaeda documents were later found in their luggage.
Timmons, the pilot, and the rest of the crew were repeatedly questioned by the FBI, though the findings were never shared. The pilot concluded that Flight 23 would have been the next plane hijacked by terrorists if the airport shutdown order had been delayed. [1] Jdriesen ( talk) 00:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Not done: Mainly because this isn't a proper edit request: simply pasting verbatim text from a citation is not sufficient; you need to write out what you want added to the article in your own words. Also, this topic has been discussed several times in the talk page archives, but never added to the article. Nobody ever said, "absolutely don't add this", but neither was there much support on the basis that all we have are statements from Captain Manello and First Officer Timmons which are highly speculative.
I found four other sources in case someone else stumbles on this and finds them useful. [2] [3] [4] [5] I'm also aware that there's a recent documentary on TMZ about this.
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"Truther" doesn't come up in a google search? What flaring nonsense. Hatting trolling. Bishonen | tålk 18:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC). |
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Why does this article not mention the controversy surrounding the explanation of what actually happened? This article presents one version of events only: the version supported by the US government. If you compare this to the entry on the assassination of JFK, also embroiled in controversy, very soon after the official government portrayal of what happened there is a clear paragraph about the fact that this explanation is highly controversial on the subject of who the killer was, as any honest reporting of the story of these events should have included. So why is the same type of information included here as well? I can't even believe I have to ask this question. Please explain this dishonest portrayal of what happened. If someone does not add this, I will add it! RPeel ( talk) 07:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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If the administrators of wiki are not willing to do what makes sense, which is to include information on the FACT that the reporting around what really happened is extremely controversial, then might I suggest at the very least that in the opening description, a link to the so-called "conspiracy" page for 9-11 is offered, such as "The facts of the events are quite controversial. More on that can be found here (link)" Additionally, it would also be fair to begin the entire entry this way: "According to the Bush Administration,..." RPeel ( talk) 11:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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When I said I could not find any reference to "truther narrative" I meant that literally: I searched for 'truther narrative' but did not find that specific phrase. I did not search for "truther" alone until today. I see what that means. Fine. I had never heard that before because I am not someone who spends his time roaming the internet on such topics, and I am not an administrator at wiki who has, like you, been up and down this ladder many times before. A bit more respect to those of us "normal" users who from time to time offer a helping hand would be nice to see from you instead of your rude scorn. RPeel ( talk) 12:07, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
the firefighters listed as killed is 343, it was 344 343 FDNY and 1 NYFP
https://www.firehero.org/fallen-firefighter/keith-m-roma/ 50.48.132.255 ( talk) 17:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Add that my grandma was in New York City when this happened and that she was 45 (she was born on 11/18) and her name is Debbie Alvey (I know you're probably not gonna add this.) VinnyFarmer88930423 ( talk) 00:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Yesterday I watched on Dutch television the 2021 film documentary: “ 9/11: Life Under Attack” see IMDB profile, with only amateur footage of the day of the attacks.I was impressed. As one of the better 9/11 documentaries, also according the references provided, I was surprised that it doesn’t have a Wikipedia page. I think this documentary deserves it to get its own page. If you don’t know the documentary; you should watch it ;). See here some references: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] 109.37.150.86 ( talk) 08:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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On 9/11 343 FDNY members perished. 340 of them were firefighters, 2 were paramedics, 1 was a chaplain. the number 343 is very important and is what should be mentioned on the wiki page 173.3.10.96 ( talk) 22:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
I was watching CNN 10 and the person working at the museum said that 2983 people died is that an error ChaseTOM4YT ( talk) 13:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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American airlines flight 11 hit the first tower. not flight 77. 192.189.40.130 ( talk) 01:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Should the lead say, "The September 11 attacks, commonly known as 9/11, were four coordinated Islamist suicide terrorist attacks carried out by al-Qaeda against the United States on Tuesday, September 11, 2001" with or without the use of Islamist. I persoanlly think it should as it gives the reader an idea of the motive from the very first line. 78.157.120.208 ( talk) 14:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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I want to change where it says terrorist attacks are suicidal attacks when not all 9/11 type attacks have to include suicide . I feel this is a necessaries change to make. 2605:B100:950:77B6:5D99:96AD:EC5:9E29 ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I think there are so many sub-articles about this attack that I would like to suggest making an article series about the September 11 attacks. Thoughts? -- Marginataen ( talk) 16:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Add links to al-Qaeda in this paragraph:
Within hours of the attacks, the Central Intelligence Agency had determined that al-Qaeda was responsible. The United States formally responded by launching the war on terror and invading Afghanistan to depose the Taliban, which rejected the conditions of U.S. terms to expel al-Qaeda from Afghanistan and extradite its leaders. The U.S.'s invocation of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty—its only usage to date—called upon allies to fight al-Qaeda. As U.S. and NATO invasion forces swept through Afghanistan, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden disappeared into the White Mountains, eluding captivity by Western forces. Although bin Laden initially denied any involvement, in 2004 he formally claimed responsibility for the attacks. Al-Qaeda's cited motivations included U.S. support of Israel, the presence of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia and sanctions against Iraq. The nearly decade-long manhunt for bin Laden concluded on May 2, 2011, when he was killed during a U.S. military raid after being tracked down to his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan continued for another eight years until the agreement was made in February 2020 for American and NATO troops to withdraw from the country, and the last members of the U.S. armed forces left the region on August 30, 2021, resulting in the return to power of the Taliban.
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Within hours of the attacks, the Central Intelligence Agency had determined that al-Qaeda was responsible. The United States formally responded by launching the war on terror and invading Afghanistan to depose the Taliban, which rejected the conditions of U.S. terms to expel al-Qaeda from Afghanistan and extradite its leaders. The U.S.'s invocation of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty—its only usage to date—called upon allies to fight al-Qaeda. As U.S. and NATO invasion forces swept through Afghanistan, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden disappeared into the White Mountains, eluding captivity by Western forces. Although bin Laden initially denied any involvement, in 2004 he formally claimed responsibility for the attacks. Al-Qaeda's cited motivations included U.S. support of Israel, the presence of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia and sanctions against Iraq. The nearly decade-long manhunt for bin Laden concluded on May 2, 2011, when he was killed during a U.S. military raid after being tracked down to his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan continued for another eight years until the agreement was made in February 2020 for American and NATO troops to withdraw from the country, and the last members of the U.S. armed forces left the region on August 30, 2021, resulting in the return to power of the Taliban. Travish07 ( talk) 10:26, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Following the precedent set by the article on the Hamas-Israel war of 2023, WP is obliged to add a separate section on how the attacks arose in reaction to US imperialism, citing some of the many pundits, officials, and academics who have articulated that view. It should also offer a sympathetic portrait of the militants who hijacked planes, explaining the sources of their despair and irresistible anger. 32.221.36.119 ( talk) 14:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
The Victim Names section begins with “There were many people that were shot and killed, and witnessed the event.” It is unclear what the author means by “shot and killed,” and there is no citation to clarify its meaning. Does anyone have any additional information on this section? BrokeTheInterweb ( talk) 18:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
In the infobox at the top of this page, the type of attack morphed from:
Islamic terrorism,
aircraft hijacking,
suicide attack,
mass murder
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Islamic terrorism,
aircraft hijacking,
suicide attack,
mass murder,
stabbing,
slashing,
arson,
torture,
blunt trauma,
crimes against humanity
While most of these are likely true, it seems excessive. Infoboxes should be a brief overview of the page, so brevity is best. I'd like to suggest we revert these changes. -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 20:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
I know 2,996 people died but since two new victims were identified, does this increase the victim count to 2,979, and total to 2,998? They were identified back in September this year. 120.28.224.231 ( talk) 12:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
I have made several edits to this article for clarity and readability that are all being reverted due to the lead being longer than four paragraphs.
Per the MOS the number of lead paragraphs is not a rule, but a general guideline. Given the length of this article and for the sake of readability, citing this guideline as a rule results in important elements being lost in unreasonable long paragraphs. This results in the article being unnecessarily difficult to read and parse.
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section/Archive 17#Four-paragraph lead
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section/Archive 22
It's not my intention to disrupt, but rather to make the article accessible and readable to a large audience. I'd greatly appreciate any feedback or clarification on the way forward. VHarbee ( talk) 14:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
The coverage of prior intelligence on this page seems lengthier and more detailed than that in the supposed "Main article." Mwanner | Talk 14:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be described as a vehicle-ramming attack in "attack type" Unknown... ( talk) 02:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Why would they change the image like this? I have no idea why. 120.28.224.231 ( talk) 10:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Spelling error. Section 2.3 Damages. 5th paragraph begins with "fhe Pentagon was extensively damaged...", and should be "The" instead of "fhe". Alexrnau ( talk) 08:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/25/1201608110/fdny-deaths-from-9-11-related-illnesses-now-equal-the-number-killed-on-sept-11 https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-september-eleventh-9-11-related-illnesses-death-toll/13827299/ According to the FDNY, the amount of firefighters and EMTs who died from sicknesses related to 9/11 now equals the amount killed in the initial attacks themselves. I am aware that there is a separate page that talks about the deaths from sicknesses, but shouldn’t the deaths be reported in the main article as “2,996 (2,977 victims) from the initial attack. At least 343 from illnesses related to the attack.” or something to that effect.? MountainDew20 ( talk) 02:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm really not the one to do this, but I just want to point out that there is an entire Wikipedia article about criticism of the 9/11 Commission, but not a single piece of that criticism in this article. Somebody might want change that.-- Marginataen ( talk) 09:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Add a statement mentioning that all four flight numbers (ex: UA 93) were retired after the attack. 120.28.229.213 ( talk) 15:11, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Why not add the first airplane video from Commons? ( First Plane WTC) 174.3.207.112 ( talk) 17:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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September 11 attacks → September 11, 2001 attacks – In my opinion it would be better move the page at September 11, 2001 attacks to distinguish the page from any future attacks that will take place on 11 September. Dr Salvus ( talk) 19:50, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello there. Having looked at the images in the infobox, I think the three of the Pentagon at the bottom need to be replaced. They are very unclear, even when they are clicked on to make the image larger and thus I don't think they could be useful to a reader. I suggest changing the images to one or two from this category. Please let me know what you think. Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 23:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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The citation at "Congressional Record, Vol. 148, Pt. 7, May 23, 2002 to June 12, 2002" lists a page number that is clearly incorrect. It shows a page of 9909 while linking to a book with 1466 pages, so that's clearly incorrect. I've looked online and I am not able to find a full copy of this myself. I assume that the citation is otherwise accurate, at least as far as the source is concerned - just the wrong page is listed. (Maybe it was supposed to be 909?) Assuming the correct page number cannot be quickly found, we should just remove it for now. 192.88.255.9 ( talk) 14:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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As the 20th anniversary of the September 11 attacks approaches, I thought (and I'm sure many others concur) it would be great to push for the ambitious yet difficult Today's featured article by the 11th of September to commemorate the event. Would it perhaps be realistic for us editors to try to get this to FAC (maybe peer-review first) and all the way to TFA by the deadline? With many experienced editors and reviewers, I don't see why that wouldn't be possible. Wretchskull ( talk) 17:59, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Should there be a part in the info box citing Al-Qaeda's reasons for the attacks? What were their motives anyway?-- 72.42.172.83 ( talk) 05:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Why is it that the first table in the section Attacks gives the total number of deaths as 2,765 while elsewhere in the article the number is given as 2,996? Linguist111 talk 21:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Should the death toll include the people that have died of cancer and/or other ilnesses due to 9/11? Elliottharvickfan94 ( talk) 02:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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In the infobox, please change 8:46 to 8:46 a.m., in order to make the time more specific. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 21:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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Since it crashed into a field, the exact building intended to be hit by Flight 93 is not decisively known although it has been believed by U.S. authorities that the U.S. Capitol or the White House were Flight 93's potential targets.
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There is a typo in the first sentence of the second paragraph. The letter f is missing from the word “four”.
“On Tuesday morning, our commercial airliners from the northeastern United States were scheduled to land in California.” 2604:3D09:97E:B200:AD62:FFE4:CFDD:5529 ( talk) 07:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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In the first sentence of the third paragraph "The George W. Bush's adiminsitration [...]" sounds strange. It should be either "George W. Bush's administration" or "The George W. Bush administration". JamieFleming ( talk) 00:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I don’t think this article dwells enough on the geo-political fallout vis-à-vis the West. There is no doubt in my mind that the attacks caused a lurch to the right in both the USA and Europe. The liberal order that had held sway was already under pressure given the rise of the right in America after Clinton, however the attacks accelerated the shift. It took Europe longer, but it no doubt had the same effect there. The attacks, and the bungled (re invasion of Iraq) response from the West emboldened Islamic fundamentalists all over the world.
Separately, it lead to a heightened tensions between the West and the Muslim world. The US invasion of Iraq resulted in the deaths of over 100000 civilian deaths, destabilized the Middle East, upsetting the balance of power between Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia that remains unresolved, ultimately leading to the Syrian civil war and the rise of ISIS. Iran emerged as a major actor in the region, shaping anti-West sentiment in tne region and putting pressure on Israel through Hezbollah and the Palestinians.
Further, one can trace much of the root cause of the current refugee/migrant crises Europe faces from ME countries, Afghanistan, Pakistan and North Africa to the 9/11 attacks.
I think these aspects need to be reviewed and documented. What would the geopolitical situation look like had the attacks not transpired?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c4:2696:8b00:a0fb:ac79:9949:e39d ( talk) 16:35, August 11, 2021 (UTC)
How come timelines have different flight departures and crashes? For instance, the link here has Flight 93 taking off at 8:41 a.m. and crashing at 10:07 a.m. [2] 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 14:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
This is an inaccurate term and should be replaced by "extremist." Wahabism is not listed as the motivation for the attacks. Clearly states below it was because of 1) US support for Israel 2) US troop presence in Saudi Arabia and 3) US sanction on Iran. The controversy with the term "Islamist" isn't related to Sunni or Shia. See the article I cited from Politico. Islamist is a political ideology not necessarily tied to extremism. https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/04/ap-stylebook-revises-islamist-use-160943 Rethinkmedia487 ( talk) 18:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
"militant Sunni Islamist"description seen at Al-Qaeda, Wikipedia is not bound by the AP's style guide nor by the statements of Osama bin Laden. Once that distinction is made, much of the rationale for your edit ceases to function. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 18:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
"Because Osama bin Laden and most of the hijackers are Saudi nationals, it was assumed that al-Qaeda is an expression of Wahhabism. That is not the case. Wahhabi ulama have maintained that it is the prerogative of the ruler to determine when conditions warrant jihad."
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"militant Sunni Islamist"or perhaps Salafist. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 20:51, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I just made an article for the recently released documentary Generation 9/11 (film), which tells the stories of seven children of men killed in the September 11th terrorist attacks who were too young to understand what occurred or were not yet born. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 17:32, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
In the lede, there is a missing comma, which I can't fix because the article is locked: "This flight was the only plane not to hit its intended target instead crashing in a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 10:03 am." There should be a comma after "target." -- Fashionslide ( talk) 12:07, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please change '19 years ago' to 20 years ago' 2A00:23C4:6410:FB00:CCF2:919D:62E5:CF6A ( talk) 23:05, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
"Bin Laden said he had personally directed his followers to attack the World Trade Center"
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"Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent"
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45.144.113.217 ( talk) 11:09, 11 September 2021 (UTC)remove the porn picture of the article pls
The article currently states that UA93 was only a "partially successful diversion from target." I disagree with these choice of words. They absolutely were not "partially" successful. The heroic individuals aboard UA93 were 100% successful in their intent to prevent United 93 from reaching the terrorists' intended target of the U.S. Capitol or White House. These brave individuals used the extremely limited information available to them at the time to make the impossible decision to risk and sacrifice their lives (they may have failed to save themselves but they prevented the hijackers from reaching their target). To indicate their sacrifice was anything short of an absolute success sounds wrong. The article is locked for editing but I personally believe this needs to be changed. Please discuss if you agree/disagree. 213.107.66.176 ( talk) 03:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Remove the 2 blank lines at the start of the article, between "For other uses, see 9/11 (disambiguation) and September 11 attacks (disambiguation)." and "The September 11 attacks..." INDT ( talk) 11:52, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Remove that grotesque picture!! 156.57.250.82 ( talk) 22:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Someone has added a photo of an individual actively deficating to this page.
I would suggest removing the image immediately. 2001:56A:7203:C200:2566:8906:17A1:1288 ( talk) 22:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please remove the discussing photos on this page. I don’t even understand how they got here in the first place 109.129.154.124 ( talk) 22:42, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the lead collage of the article could be improved. Some of the choices are not the most compelling options available (particularly the Flight 93 remains and the bottom three), the towers impact photo is repeated from the body and partially redundant to the lead photo, and the collage as a whole is a single file, rather than {{ Multiple image}}, which makes for a better reader experience by making clicking on an image go to a full-sized version of it.
My proposed replacement is above. I'm going to boldly implement it momentarily, as this article is getting a lot of pageviews today. Here's some rationale behind the choices:
The whole collage is a line shorter than the current one, which is good, as this article has a long infobox. Please let me know if you have any thoughts or comments. Regards, {{u| Sdkb}} talk 20:07, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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There has been a lot of criticism of the NIST report demonstrating that it is contradicted by physical evidence. Why is this not mentioned? Why are there no links under see also to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and 9/11 conspiracy theories? This criticism is so prominent that it cannot be ignored, whether you agree with it or not. 130.226.230.24 ( talk)
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Remove vandalism 2600:1700:7E8:9800:0:0:0:B ( talk) 22:37, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Why is the time the attacks began as stated in the infobox that of the time Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower? Would it not make more sense to change it to 8:14, the time of Flight 11's hijacking (and the first hijacking overall in the attacks)? People were attacked and died on board the plane before it hit the tower, such as Daniel Lewin and Captain John Ogonowski. They are victims of the September 11 attacks just like everyone else who died after the North Tower was hit. 148.252.129.49 ( talk) 21:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Last time I saw the page it was fine and I wanted to fine tune the page's language. For example instead of saying on that morning I would have said on Tuesday morning but the page is extended confirmed protected. Can someone please explain what happened? I can't see the edits that were made previously with the images some described as offensive. I am hoping now that the editor responsible for the vandalism has been suspended that the page's status can be lowered as I have not attained the XP to edit. Thank you for your time.
* {{ vandal|Ultima the Hedgehog}} Putting graphic images and blatantly defacing the page. ~~~~ Aricmfergie ( talk) 22:34, 11 September 2021 (UTC) This graphic image was removed before. SidChat2048 ( talk) 05:21, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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A Wikipedian with proper level of access is kindly requested to change Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan to Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001) on this section and, if possible, any other relevant part of the article. Thanks. KachaleMouferferee ( talk) 19:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
There are currently quite a few references in the lead, including a group of three halfway through the first sentence. I don't want to just delete these since many of them look like quality sources, but per MOS:LEADCITE, they shouldn't be in the lead. Is anyone interested in going through and transferring them to the body/bibliography as needed? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 21:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
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There is a line under the "Casualties" section that reads The New York City Fire Department (FDNY) lost 343 firefighters, including a chaplain and two paramedics. The word firefighters should be changed to "members" or similar. FDNY did lose 343 members, but only 340 firefighters. As mentioned, the other three where a chaplain and two medics. 100.6.141.126 ( talk) 16:25, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
I think this may need taking to RSN, the nfpa may well be a professional body, that does not mean it is an RS for who or who is not a fire fighter. Slatersteven ( talk) 11:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Adjusted for the deaths of 340 firefighters at the World Trade Center in 2001[...]
Commissioner Nigro acknowledged Ronnie J. Gies, who was promoted to Lieutenant and follows in the footsteps of his father, Lieutenant Ronnie E. Gies of Squad 288, who was one of the 343 FDNY members to make the Supreme Sacrifice on September 11, 2001."
Fire Commissioner Daniel A. Nigro will lead a special commemoration ceremony on Wednesday, October 17, marking the 52nd anniversary of the 23rd Street fire – which took the lives of 12 New York City firefighters on October 17, 1966 – the deadliest day in the history of the FDNY until September 11, 2001, when 343 members were killed at the World Trade Center..
Firefighter Stephen Belson of Battalion 7, Firefighter Alan Feinberg of Battalion 9, and Firefighter David Weiss of Rescue 1 are three of the 343 FDNY members who made the Supreme Sacrifice on September 11th, 2001.
Lieutenant Riches is the brother of Firefighter James C. Riches, one of the 343 FDNY members who made the Supreme Sacrifice on September 11, 2001.
His brother, Firefighter Thomas Foley, also of Rescue Company 3, was one of 343 FDNY members killed on September 11th, 2001.
He is following in the footsteps of his father, Firefighter Paul Tegtmeier, one of the 343 FDNY Members killed on September 11, 2001.
Probationary Firefighter Rebecca Asaro, who graduated today alongside her brother, Probationary Firefighter Marc Asaro, is following in the footsteps of their father, Firefighter Carl Asaro of Engine 54, one of the 343 FDNY members killed on September 11th.
Our Department made a solemn promise to never forget the bravery and sacrifice of the 343 members who gave their lives on September 11th, and the growing list of heroes who have died due to illnesses related to their courageous work throughout the rescue and recovery effort," said Fire Commissioner Daniel A. Nigro.
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change the linkless "passenger revolt" text to a link to the passenger revolt section of the "united airlines flight 93" article Loganp23 ( talk) 02:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
As you may know, "Reactions" sectors or columns, and especially their list format and flags, are despised by many editors as unencyclopedic quotefarms sourced to primary sources such as Twitter. Also, Every major Office holder and politician have mourned the death. Thus, these "Reactions" should be trimmed from the "Aftermaths" section. 2401:4900:44C1:CA63:B62:3931:3073:5F34 ( talk) 07:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Under "Attacks", the section on "Damage" refers to St. Nicholas Orthodox Church, but that is not shown on the image of the damage. It, and all other structures mentioned as damaged, should be included on the image of the damage and marked in the overlay. I found this: http://crimescenedb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/911-04-full.jpg but it is only a map and doesn't show the damage; it is, however, the only image I can find that includes all the structures that were damaged. Dismalscholar ( talk) 02:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I just feel like I needed to point out that in the beginning of the second paragraph, which reads "The first plane to hit its target was American Airlines Flight 11. It was flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center complex in Lower Manhattan at 8:46 am.", the words highlighted in bold are a redirect, to an article of the tenants in the One World Trade Center, the current building which was opened in 2014. Based on the context of this sentence, I think this redirect should be removed, and instead replaced with a redirect to an article of the tenants in the previous 1 World Trade Center, the building opened in 1973 and destroyed in 2001. I just believe it makes the article more sensical. -- Medalpager ( talk) 11:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hello. The death count says 2,996 people died that day, however I believe that there should also be a note below the death count saying people continue to die today from cancer and other sickness due to exposure while rescuing survivors. They sacrificed, they died, and should be remembered. 76.109.122.155 ( talk) 05:10, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Thank you for your quick response. Unfortunately this is not a "Change X to Y" rather it is a request for a small footnote right below the official death count of 2,996 on the main information block. And yes while I am aware that there is a separate page describing casualties, the issue is that most other people do not know it exists, so when they google the attacks and see the death count in the right hand box, they should also be a part below it in parenthesis or asterisk or however you want to form it. As long as people who visit the September 11 attacks page, not the casualties of the September 11 attacks page, and see that more have died as a direct result of the attack after the initial 2,996 people, then that will allow the stories for those who are not currently represented on the figure to know how its long term impacts and not just immediate. They should not have to visit another page to find that information out. And if this is confusing to you then I am sorry I don't know how else to phrase it I just want to see the real story told completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.122.155 ( talk) 05:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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Can we add to the sentence in the "casualties" section to make: Casualties in the South Tower were significantly reduced because some occupants decided to leave the building as soon as the North Tower was struck, and because Rick Rescorla, head of security at Morgan Stanley, defied an order to remain in place and evacuated almost all of the company's 2,700 employees in the South Tower to safety after Flight 11 had struck the North Tower. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B065:F8DB:31E4:61E0:EE11:128B ( talk) 05:58, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
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remove the parts about Islamists since it paints a bad picture of Islam and it was also proven that Muslims were not the ones who caused 9/11 197.60.95.183 ( talk) 07:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
The 9/11 memorial pool should not be shown in the Infobox as the photos there are about events that took place on the day of September 11 2001. -- Aaron106 ( talk) 19:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, on September 17 2001, the FBI was able to confirm the identity of eight of the hijackers during interrogations with bin Laden’s former chief bodyguard, who was the time jailed in a Yemeni prison (the FBI confirmed the names of all hijackers well before, but it's one thing to confirm the names and quite another thing to confirm their al Qaeda membership). From my point of view, I would suggest to add this to the article in the section "5.1 FBI" probably before the sentence On September 27, 2001, they released photos of all 19 hijackers.... I would suggest the following text (but feel free to polish it, I am not a native English speaker anyway). Thanks!
Abu Jandal, who served as bin Laden’s chief bodyguard for years, confirmed the identity of eight hijackers during interrogations with the FBI on September 17. He had been jailed in a Yemeni prison since 2000.
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Hello, my question with the article is regarding why September 11 is still an extended confirmed protected article and if it will ever return to the protection status it once was? From my research the actor responsible for the vandalism of the article and others has been blocked, yet the page remains protected. Thank you for your time.
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Thank you very much! FictiousLibrarian ( talk). 01:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Date is wrong: Maythefourth576 ( talk) 19:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Maythefourth
I just want to edit the article itself and some conspiracy theories, that some governments in the Middle East were participating in the attacks, although I have to become careful right, because if there's something wrong, it'll be your turn. Takeshi Ishii 00:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add a comma after 8:14 a.m. and a period after attacks. 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 06:16, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Done ✅ Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 11:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of the article: "On the morning of Tuesday September 11, 2001"
There should be a comma between Tuesday and September. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5230:8880:98DF:4897:3398:D294 ( talk) 17:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
The section Al-Qaeda contains a couple of errors and does not really use high-quality sources.
In the Western literature the terms “Afghan Arabs” and “Arab Afghans” are used in roughly equal measure, but “Afghan Arabs” is more logical, because these men were Arabs who had been “Afghanized” by their involvement. Another reason to use “Afghan Arabs” for the foreign fighters is that there is actually an ethnic group in Afghanistan that identifies as Arab, claiming heritage from previous Arab migrations into Afghanistan.
It’s worth mentioning here that there is simply no evidence for the common myth that bin Laden and his Afghan Arabs were supported by the CIA financially. Nor is there any evidence that CIA officials at any level met with bin Laden or anyone in his circle. [...] No independent evidence of the CIA supporting al-Qaeda has emerged in the four decades since the end of the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan.
No proof exists of collaboration between the CIA and the Afghan Arabs. No record or interview to this effect has surfaced in the three decades since the Afghanistan war.
To date, no researcher has produced documentation of direct links between Washington and bin Laden or, for that matter, Zarqawi. The weight of evidence suggests that the CIA and the future leaders of Al-Qaeda and ISIS were not in communication with one another during the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan.
There is no evidence that bin Laden’s key strategic decision to target the American “head of the snake” had any input from the Egyptian militant Ayman al-Zawahiri, despite later claims that Zawahiri was really the “brains” behind bin Laden. Indeed, bin Laden did not involve Zawahiri in the planning of his major operations, including the 9/11 attacks. The troika who founded and ran al-Qaeda was bin Laden at the apex and his two key military commanders, Abu Ubayda and Abu Hafs the Egyptian, both of whom had been on bin Laden’s payroll since the beginning of 1987. They were bin Laden’s men, not Zawahiri’s. Meanwhile, Zawahiri’s obsessive goal was overthrowing the “near enemy” Egyptian regime, a subject that bin Laden evinced very little interest in and that he rarely discussed in his public statements. Instead, the majority of bin Laden’s statements focused on what he described as American and Jewish aggression against Muslims, while his second-most-important topic was his criticism of the Saudi government, in particular for its alliance with the United States.
Probably best to rewrite this section. -- Jo1971 ( talk) 20:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
"Bin Laden's group was one of many that received intelligence, and equipment from the CIA."Instead, the Social Justice article states (accurately, as far as I know) that:
"Osama bin Laden had been brought to Afghanistan by his friend Prince Turki, the head of Saudi intelligence. The young bin Laden—tall, handsome, devout, and rich—was the next best thing to the real Saudi prince that the ISI had long requested. In Afghanistan, bin Laden's tasks included building infrastructure, coordinating logistics for the mujahedeen, dishing out funds, and, later, fighting. As one of the leaders of the international volunteers, bin Laden kept track of the other recruits, registering their identities and contact information. From this roster, it is said, emerged al Qaeda."Assuming good faith, it is possible that FictiousLibrarian could have misread that (or similar passages) and thought that the author was stating (or perhaps implying) that
"Bin Laden's group was one of many that received intelligence, and equipment from the CIA."However, in wiki-parlance I would have to say that the edit fails verification. Accordingly, I have restored the previous long-standing version of this article, while merging two sentences of relevant background information from Soviet–Afghan War. A full rewrite using the sources above could also be welcome, but keep in mind that our focus here is the September 11 attacks themselves—the "Background" section does not need to be massive or fully comprehensive. Finally, FictiousLibrarian's edit included an unsourced assertion that
"Al-Qaeda during this time had also undertaken acts of terrorism including the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing,"which I mention because our 1993 World Trade Center bombing article does not appear to support this attribution. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 19:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Ayman al-Zawahiri is listed in the infobox together with bin Laden as perpetrator. Peter Bergen writes there's no evidence he had any role in planning 9/11 and I do not see a reference for this claim in the article. So I would suggest to remove his name from the infobox.
Bergen, Peter (2021). The Rise and Fall of Osama bin Laden. New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 92. ISBN 978-1-9821-7052-3.
In fact, there is no evidence that Zawahiri had a role in the planning of any of al-Qaeda’s major anti-American attacks against the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000, and 9/11 itself.
-- Jo1971 ( talk) 16:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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I request permission to add a sub-section detailing the negative domestic indirect effects of 9/11, such as politicians using the tragedy to further political agendas at an unprecedented scale. For instance, Republicans have been suspected of using 9/11 as an excuse to expand the NSA, not in order to protect Americans, but to exercise a higher degree of control over society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.122.28.167 ( talk) 18:21, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
The true death toll is 7,437 this includes deaths from the original attack. Deaths from Sept 12,2001 to July 31,2022 include deaths directly cause by the attacks. deaths related to asbestos exposure, Smoke and concreate dust lung damages. Lung damage from chemicals and fuel burning. The melting of plastic fumes and vapor gas. 50.102.147.20 ( talk) 19:50, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Of course, you don't find any sources. You don't have a government approved need to know to have access to the medical data of the victim's Starting Sept 12, 2001, to July 31,2022.
Hmm1994 makes a good point on the number of injuries. Determination of "injury" is somewhat subjective, but the comparatively high 25,000 figure (present in the lead and infobox) is cited to [7]. Have there been previous discussions on this topic? Is there an official government source on injury count? Ovinus ( talk) 04:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Is this really the best image of Flight 175 hitting the South Tower we can get? Much of the South Tower is obstructed by the North Tower being positioned closer to the camera, billowing smoke coming from the North Tower's crash zone, the fireball, and what appears to be an apartment building at the bottom of the picture. I propose either of these two photographs [1] [2] as a replacement, depending on whether or not their inclusion on the site falls under fair use. Hmm1994 ( talk) 07:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Video titled "American Airlines Flight 175 crashes into WTC 2" should be renamed "United Airlines Flight 175 crashes into WTC 2" Romanian1106 ( talk) 15:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
This graph depicting the attacks on the Twin Towers (featured under the planning subheading on this article) is wrong. It claims that Flight 11 hit the North Tower between floors 94-98 while Flight 175 hit the South Tower between floors 78-84; in actual fact, it was floors 93-99 and 77-85, respectively. I went into Photoshop, did a bit of tweaking, and was wondering if we could replace it with my edited version for the sake of accuracy? Here it is:
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I'm not sure what to think or do about this, but just wanted to make y'all aware of it. When I hover over any Wikilinks to the article, the image popup is that beauty shot/studio photograph of Osama Bin-laden. Maybe it should be, as he was the most directly responsible person for 9/11. I would prefer that the image be the one in the infobox. I don't know how we control that, what image shows. I thought it would be the first one, the one in the infobox, but clearly not. We should at least consider here on the talk page what image is the most appropriate one for the popup for this article. FeralOink ( talk) 10:17, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Why does the article use this picture to illustrate the debris field from the two crashes and not this one? The second is more accurate and a lot easier on the eyes as well, since there's at least a hatch in the line to depict the landing gear going behind the South Tower. In the first one, it literally looks like the landing gear emerged from the northeast corner of the North Tower and flew past the South Tower's eastern facade before somehow landing in West Street. Hmm1994 ( talk) 05:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Sorry if I double posted, I wasn’t logged in. But this article by business insider includes a memo which demonstrates that CIA director Tenet did not “fail to warn” the White House. In fact, he warned them 40 separate times about an impending attack- and the Bush admin dismissed it.
This is crucial information and shows a profound negligence on the White House’s part.
https://www.businessinsider.com/911-commission-memo-declassified-bush-cheney-attacks-bin-laden-qaeda-2022-11?utm_source=reddit.com GonzoTribune ( talk) 00:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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It would be relevant to include a quote by the Prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, which is "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq". This is from a Haaretz article from 2008. Haaretz is a respected Israeli newspaper if you are not familiar with them. Aurela111 ( talk) 09:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
WP:ONUS is clear it is the person who wished to add content that needs wp:consensus on their side. I have not seen one RS say this was anything other than a terror attack, not a targeted assassination (that failed). This should be reverted until the is a consensus to add it, that is how wp:brd works. Slatersteven ( talk) 15:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Two users have now objected, no argument has been made in support of this edit, I will now revert. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Straight from this article under the subsection of Attacks "The four crashes". It states "In an April 2002 interview, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh, who are believed to have organized the attacks, said Flight 93's intended target was the United States Capitol, not the White House. During the planning stage of the attacks, Mohamed Atta (Flight 11's hijacker and pilot) thought the White House might be too tough a target and sought an assessment from Hani Hanjour (who hijacked and piloted Flight 77). Two sources used here:
Stated in lead of the article: "The fourth and final flight, United Airlines Flight 93, flew in the direction of Washington, D.C. Alerted of the previous attacks, the plane's passengers attempted to gain control of the aircraft, but the hijackers ultimately crashed the plane in a field in Stonycreek Township, Pennsylvania, near Shanksville at 10:03 a.m. Investigators determined that Flight 93 was targeting either the United States Capitol or the White House."
From the Flight 93 article under the subsection Aftermath "Possible targets":
"The intended target of Flight 93 has never been definitively confirmed. [1] However, investigators have said there is high probability that the most likely target was the United States Capitol." [2] [3]
"Before the attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Osama bin Laden, and Mohammed Atef developed a list of potential targets. Bin Laden wanted to destroy the White House and the Pentagon. Sheikh Mohammed wanted to strike the World Trade Center and all three wanted to hit the Capitol. No one else was involved in the initial selection of targets. [4] Bin Laden told 9/11 planner Ramzi bin al-Shibh to advise Mohamed Atta that he preferred the White House over the Capitol as a target. [5] Atta cautioned bin al-Shibh that this would be difficult, but agreed to include the White House as a possible target and suggested they keep the Capitol as an alternative in case the White House proved too difficult. Eventually, Atta told bin al-Shibh that Jarrah planned to hit the Capitol. [5] Atta briefly mentioned the possibility of striking a nuclear facility, but relented after the other attack pilots voiced their opposition. [5] Based on an exchange between Atta and bin al-Shibh two days before the attacks, the White House would be the primary target for the fourth plane and the Capitol the secondary target. [6] If any pilot could not reach his intended target, he was to crash the plane." [5]
To have Flight 93 attack either the White House and Capitol Building is intended to kill members of the government like that of elected officials. Therefore, the plot with Flight 93 was to assassinate them. Since 93 never reached Washington it failed. Thus, failing to reach meant it failed to assassinate. And majority of the assessment from the sources all point to the Capitol building as the intended target. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 18:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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I added a sentence in the intro about how the U.S. failed in Afghanistan but it was reverted.
I don't really understand. The whole Afghan war happened because of 9/11 attacks, isn't it relevant how it turned out? Reading it now one would think it was some sort of success because bin Laden got killed. When in reality, right as I type this, al-Qaeda sans bin Laden is in Afghanistan just like they were before 9/11. The whole thing was a failure.
Am I wrong? CJK ( talk) 21:30, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
U.S. leaders are on record explaining why we were in Afghanistan
I don't think the 9/11 memorial should be shown in the infobox as the pictures are about the events that took place on September 11th 2001, and rather could be added to the memorial section instead. September 11 attacks#Memorials -- Aaron106 ( talk) 21:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Hmm1994 We would need about a replacement picture of 9/11 we could use to replace the memorial. Any picture from here do you like? Aaron106 ( talk) 16:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
How many were actually killed in the attacks? This page's infobox claims 3,013 lives were lost but everywhere else seems to go with a figure of 2,996. 109.78.173.137 ( talk) 15:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Under the Section "Investigations>>FBI", the very last paragraph is a bit misleading when it cites source [412]. The wikipedia article says "The FBI did not record the 2,977 deaths from the attacks in their annual violent crime index for 2001." The report *did* fully tally those deaths, but in separate tables from the rest of the data, in an entirely separate section of the report (section V, pages 301-307 of that section). This Wikipedia article correctly quoted the report when it said "the FBI stated that 'the number of deaths is so great that combining it with the traditional crime statistics will have an outlier effect that falsely skews all types of measurements in the program's analyses.' ", but they didn't just delete the data from the report, but rather quarantined it from the rest of the data so that it didn't unfairly skew the results. It should also be noted that the way the report bundled the causes of death together: the report classified *all* of the deaths related to the attacks (minus the 19 hijackers, of course) as murder, *including* those who died by jumping: "UCR Program has classified those deaths for the purpose of presenting these data as murder and nonnegligent manslaughter" (page 303 of the report). I found the text for section 5 (pages 301-314) of the CIUS 2001 report--that wikipedia cited as [412]--at the following URL: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/01sec5.pdf Also, for reference, source [412] as cited in this wikipedia article: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/toc01.pdf INSANITYISAVIRTUE ( talk) 18:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
How do we define “part of” in the phrase “part of the War on Terror”? Is 9/11 considered to be part of the War on Terror? Someone edited saying that because 9/11 led to the war and caused the war, and didn’t happen as a wartime battle or attack, that it’s not part of the war. But I can also see it as being part of the war because it was the precipitating event. I can see it either way, I’m neutral about it. Just wanna throw this out there and see what we’ve got. Opinions? Thoughts? Perspectives? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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Missing word: "Similar pre-impact evacuations were carried out by companies such as Fiduciary Trust" 149.86.189.14 ( talk) 15:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
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This picture was seemingly taken by Lyle Owerko, but the picture itself is tagged as "This image is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government]] supposedly by an employee of the NIST and "released" because of a FOIA (which has nothing to do with being public domain or not). Is there any evidence that the picture actually is in the Public Domain? Macktheknifeau ( talk) 10:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
I added content from Jacobin https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=September_11_attacks&diff=prev&oldid=1156612334. But the content has been erased. Jacobin is on the list of approved sources Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and I should be able to use it. [10] [11] Chances last a finite time ( talk) 19:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
"Although reliable sources have repeatedly reported on conspiracy theories, reporting on conspiracy theories is not the same thing as advocating conspiracy theories or accepting them as fact."DDMS123 ( talk) 20:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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After delays in the design of a replacement complex, the One World Trade Center began construction in November 2006 and opened in November 2014.
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After delays in the design of a replacement complex, construction of the One World Trade Center began in November 2006; it opened in November 2014.
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Additional information to include: The profile of General Timmons recounts that on the morning of September 11, 2001, she was the first officer on United Airlines flight 23 preparing to take-off from New York’s JFK Airport bound for Los Angeles. The plane had already pulled away from the gate and was taxiing down the runway when the airport was shut down and the crew was ordered to secure the cockpit.
Timmons confirmed that as the pilot grabbed the crash ax, she jumped from her seat and started barricading the cockpit door. From the other side of the barricade the cabin crew relayed their concern about four young Arab men in first-class who became agitated when the take-off was cancelled, and fled from the plane when it returned to the terminal. Box cutters and Al Qaeda documents were later found in their luggage.
Timmons, the pilot, and the rest of the crew were repeatedly questioned by the FBI, though the findings were never shared. The pilot concluded that Flight 23 would have been the next plane hijacked by terrorists if the airport shutdown order had been delayed. [1] Jdriesen ( talk) 00:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Not done: Mainly because this isn't a proper edit request: simply pasting verbatim text from a citation is not sufficient; you need to write out what you want added to the article in your own words. Also, this topic has been discussed several times in the talk page archives, but never added to the article. Nobody ever said, "absolutely don't add this", but neither was there much support on the basis that all we have are statements from Captain Manello and First Officer Timmons which are highly speculative.
I found four other sources in case someone else stumbles on this and finds them useful. [2] [3] [4] [5] I'm also aware that there's a recent documentary on TMZ about this.
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"Truther" doesn't come up in a google search? What flaring nonsense. Hatting trolling. Bishonen | tålk 18:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC). |
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Why does this article not mention the controversy surrounding the explanation of what actually happened? This article presents one version of events only: the version supported by the US government. If you compare this to the entry on the assassination of JFK, also embroiled in controversy, very soon after the official government portrayal of what happened there is a clear paragraph about the fact that this explanation is highly controversial on the subject of who the killer was, as any honest reporting of the story of these events should have included. So why is the same type of information included here as well? I can't even believe I have to ask this question. Please explain this dishonest portrayal of what happened. If someone does not add this, I will add it! RPeel ( talk) 07:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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If the administrators of wiki are not willing to do what makes sense, which is to include information on the FACT that the reporting around what really happened is extremely controversial, then might I suggest at the very least that in the opening description, a link to the so-called "conspiracy" page for 9-11 is offered, such as "The facts of the events are quite controversial. More on that can be found here (link)" Additionally, it would also be fair to begin the entire entry this way: "According to the Bush Administration,..." RPeel ( talk) 11:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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When I said I could not find any reference to "truther narrative" I meant that literally: I searched for 'truther narrative' but did not find that specific phrase. I did not search for "truther" alone until today. I see what that means. Fine. I had never heard that before because I am not someone who spends his time roaming the internet on such topics, and I am not an administrator at wiki who has, like you, been up and down this ladder many times before. A bit more respect to those of us "normal" users who from time to time offer a helping hand would be nice to see from you instead of your rude scorn. RPeel ( talk) 12:07, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
the firefighters listed as killed is 343, it was 344 343 FDNY and 1 NYFP
https://www.firehero.org/fallen-firefighter/keith-m-roma/ 50.48.132.255 ( talk) 17:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Add that my grandma was in New York City when this happened and that she was 45 (she was born on 11/18) and her name is Debbie Alvey (I know you're probably not gonna add this.) VinnyFarmer88930423 ( talk) 00:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Yesterday I watched on Dutch television the 2021 film documentary: “ 9/11: Life Under Attack” see IMDB profile, with only amateur footage of the day of the attacks.I was impressed. As one of the better 9/11 documentaries, also according the references provided, I was surprised that it doesn’t have a Wikipedia page. I think this documentary deserves it to get its own page. If you don’t know the documentary; you should watch it ;). See here some references: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] 109.37.150.86 ( talk) 08:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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On 9/11 343 FDNY members perished. 340 of them were firefighters, 2 were paramedics, 1 was a chaplain. the number 343 is very important and is what should be mentioned on the wiki page 173.3.10.96 ( talk) 22:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
I was watching CNN 10 and the person working at the museum said that 2983 people died is that an error ChaseTOM4YT ( talk) 13:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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American airlines flight 11 hit the first tower. not flight 77. 192.189.40.130 ( talk) 01:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Should the lead say, "The September 11 attacks, commonly known as 9/11, were four coordinated Islamist suicide terrorist attacks carried out by al-Qaeda against the United States on Tuesday, September 11, 2001" with or without the use of Islamist. I persoanlly think it should as it gives the reader an idea of the motive from the very first line. 78.157.120.208 ( talk) 14:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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I want to change where it says terrorist attacks are suicidal attacks when not all 9/11 type attacks have to include suicide . I feel this is a necessaries change to make. 2605:B100:950:77B6:5D99:96AD:EC5:9E29 ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I think there are so many sub-articles about this attack that I would like to suggest making an article series about the September 11 attacks. Thoughts? -- Marginataen ( talk) 16:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Add links to al-Qaeda in this paragraph:
Within hours of the attacks, the Central Intelligence Agency had determined that al-Qaeda was responsible. The United States formally responded by launching the war on terror and invading Afghanistan to depose the Taliban, which rejected the conditions of U.S. terms to expel al-Qaeda from Afghanistan and extradite its leaders. The U.S.'s invocation of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty—its only usage to date—called upon allies to fight al-Qaeda. As U.S. and NATO invasion forces swept through Afghanistan, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden disappeared into the White Mountains, eluding captivity by Western forces. Although bin Laden initially denied any involvement, in 2004 he formally claimed responsibility for the attacks. Al-Qaeda's cited motivations included U.S. support of Israel, the presence of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia and sanctions against Iraq. The nearly decade-long manhunt for bin Laden concluded on May 2, 2011, when he was killed during a U.S. military raid after being tracked down to his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan continued for another eight years until the agreement was made in February 2020 for American and NATO troops to withdraw from the country, and the last members of the U.S. armed forces left the region on August 30, 2021, resulting in the return to power of the Taliban.
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Within hours of the attacks, the Central Intelligence Agency had determined that al-Qaeda was responsible. The United States formally responded by launching the war on terror and invading Afghanistan to depose the Taliban, which rejected the conditions of U.S. terms to expel al-Qaeda from Afghanistan and extradite its leaders. The U.S.'s invocation of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty—its only usage to date—called upon allies to fight al-Qaeda. As U.S. and NATO invasion forces swept through Afghanistan, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden disappeared into the White Mountains, eluding captivity by Western forces. Although bin Laden initially denied any involvement, in 2004 he formally claimed responsibility for the attacks. Al-Qaeda's cited motivations included U.S. support of Israel, the presence of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia and sanctions against Iraq. The nearly decade-long manhunt for bin Laden concluded on May 2, 2011, when he was killed during a U.S. military raid after being tracked down to his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan continued for another eight years until the agreement was made in February 2020 for American and NATO troops to withdraw from the country, and the last members of the U.S. armed forces left the region on August 30, 2021, resulting in the return to power of the Taliban. Travish07 ( talk) 10:26, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Following the precedent set by the article on the Hamas-Israel war of 2023, WP is obliged to add a separate section on how the attacks arose in reaction to US imperialism, citing some of the many pundits, officials, and academics who have articulated that view. It should also offer a sympathetic portrait of the militants who hijacked planes, explaining the sources of their despair and irresistible anger. 32.221.36.119 ( talk) 14:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
The Victim Names section begins with “There were many people that were shot and killed, and witnessed the event.” It is unclear what the author means by “shot and killed,” and there is no citation to clarify its meaning. Does anyone have any additional information on this section? BrokeTheInterweb ( talk) 18:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
In the infobox at the top of this page, the type of attack morphed from:
Islamic terrorism,
aircraft hijacking,
suicide attack,
mass murder
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Islamic terrorism,
aircraft hijacking,
suicide attack,
mass murder,
stabbing,
slashing,
arson,
torture,
blunt trauma,
crimes against humanity
While most of these are likely true, it seems excessive. Infoboxes should be a brief overview of the page, so brevity is best. I'd like to suggest we revert these changes. -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 20:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
I know 2,996 people died but since two new victims were identified, does this increase the victim count to 2,979, and total to 2,998? They were identified back in September this year. 120.28.224.231 ( talk) 12:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
I have made several edits to this article for clarity and readability that are all being reverted due to the lead being longer than four paragraphs.
Per the MOS the number of lead paragraphs is not a rule, but a general guideline. Given the length of this article and for the sake of readability, citing this guideline as a rule results in important elements being lost in unreasonable long paragraphs. This results in the article being unnecessarily difficult to read and parse.
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section/Archive 17#Four-paragraph lead
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section/Archive 22
It's not my intention to disrupt, but rather to make the article accessible and readable to a large audience. I'd greatly appreciate any feedback or clarification on the way forward. VHarbee ( talk) 14:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
The coverage of prior intelligence on this page seems lengthier and more detailed than that in the supposed "Main article." Mwanner | Talk 14:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be described as a vehicle-ramming attack in "attack type" Unknown... ( talk) 02:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Why would they change the image like this? I have no idea why. 120.28.224.231 ( talk) 10:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Spelling error. Section 2.3 Damages. 5th paragraph begins with "fhe Pentagon was extensively damaged...", and should be "The" instead of "fhe". Alexrnau ( talk) 08:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/25/1201608110/fdny-deaths-from-9-11-related-illnesses-now-equal-the-number-killed-on-sept-11 https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-september-eleventh-9-11-related-illnesses-death-toll/13827299/ According to the FDNY, the amount of firefighters and EMTs who died from sicknesses related to 9/11 now equals the amount killed in the initial attacks themselves. I am aware that there is a separate page that talks about the deaths from sicknesses, but shouldn’t the deaths be reported in the main article as “2,996 (2,977 victims) from the initial attack. At least 343 from illnesses related to the attack.” or something to that effect.? MountainDew20 ( talk) 02:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm really not the one to do this, but I just want to point out that there is an entire Wikipedia article about criticism of the 9/11 Commission, but not a single piece of that criticism in this article. Somebody might want change that.-- Marginataen ( talk) 09:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Add a statement mentioning that all four flight numbers (ex: UA 93) were retired after the attack. 120.28.229.213 ( talk) 15:11, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Why not add the first airplane video from Commons? ( First Plane WTC) 174.3.207.112 ( talk) 17:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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