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Most sites now say he was born 10 September (os)/22 September (ns) 1875. But Slonimsky places it at 22 September (os)/4 October (ns). The date 10 April also appears in some refs, the 10/4 of 10 April being a transposition of 4 October’s 4/10, so these numbers seem to have some credibility. Are we certain that he was born 10 September under the Julian calendar, and not 22 September? -- JackofOz ( talk) 01:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
The Lithuaninan (I guess) wiki-entry has some info this ine is lacking, if someone who speaks lithuanian could transfer that info it would be great.
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This article spells Ciurlionis's first name as "Mikalojus"; but I have seen the variant "Mikolajus" (exchanging the "o" and "a"). Is there any basis for this? Is it one of those things that cannot be resolved, or is a reason known for the wrong version (whichever that is)? Just wondering. M.J.E. ( talk) 12:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
To prevent future edit warring. Majority of sources describe him as Lithuanian and use his Lithuanian name. Here's a recent Polish source, whose title should make things quite clear. Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis: litewski malarz i kompozytor. Muzeum Śląskie. 2006. ISBN 978-83-60353-24-0. Retrieved 31 August 2012. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
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Are all those in-line links to Spotify really allowed?? Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
To add to this article: at least a few words describing the general style of this composer's music. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 01:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
I see no reliable references that mention this surname. Please do not remove citations tag until a reference is provided. Lokys dar Vienas ( talk) 20:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Marcelus in his reverting edit summary wrote "not needed here, in the article it's explained that he was born into Polish family" - Well, he was NOT born to Polish family. What is more, at this time the area was part of the Russian Empire and under enforced Russification. So whatever official birth documents he had, they were in Russian. Lokys dar Vienas ( talk) 20:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Čiurlionis was a Lithuanian but a native Polish speaker so I do not see why you need a ref. Merangs ( talk) 22:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
3O Response: Please add the reference. Per WP:Verifiability, any material that is challenged needs an inline citation to a reliable source. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 00:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Cukrakalnis So you are planning to add Russian name to every single Lithuanian, Polish, Georgian etc. figure that was born in Russian Empire? Do you think that's reasonable? I only added Polish version of Čiurlionis names because he was born in a Polish-speaking family and was using that name in his youth. That's literally in every single biography of his, he only later learned Lithuanian etc. Marcelus ( talk) 16:15, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Putting people's names into Efn is not hiding them - it's standard practice on Wikipedia: see the articles Joseph Stalin, Napoleon Bonaparte and Alexander the Great."isn't fully correct", according to you? By the way, Čiurlionis is the primary name used in English sources, so it's actually a good example. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 18:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
The purpose of giving alternative forms of a name, is to indicate the connection of a given figure to different linguistic and cultural circles.Since when? Is this to be found somewhere in Wikipedia's rules and standards? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 12:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Marcelus Great reform of ortography took place in 1936 - in Lithuania? - GizzyCatBella 🍁 13:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Merangs do you mind voicing your opinion regarding these issues ( Polish-Lithuianian) more often please - GizzyCatBella 🍁 22:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
In Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis, there is a dispute about using the Template:Efn for foreign-language names (Russian and Polish). I justify this move by pointing to articles where that is already the case: Joseph Stalin (Russian and Georgian names are in Efn), Napoleon Bonaparte (French, Italian and Corsican names are in Efn), etc. Two users, @ GizzyCatBella and @ Marcelus, are against this and insist on removing the Efn. One of the users, Marcelus, accuses me of trying to "hide" Čiurlionis' Polish name ( [27]), while simultaneously removing the Russian name ( [28], [29]). Should the foreign-language names be put in an Efn or not? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 18:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Note: Related discussion 0.5 second scroll time above. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 19:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Well, this is probably one of the least honest RfCs I've ever read. It is worth adding what I already wrote to the author of the RfC in the discussion above, but he chose to omit it, that even in the examples he gave, the alternative forms of names, namely what the character was born under, are given in the main part of the article. And Template:Efn contains only additional information that would overly stretch the lead of the article (e.g. spelling Stalin's name in Cyrillic and Georgian). It's also not a standard as Cukrakalnis suggests, just a notation used in the few articles he could find (the third Alexander the Great was dropped, apparently because it didn't fit the narrative). Moreover, the Russian form that I removed, Cukrakalnis added today, just to have an excuse to transfer the Polish form of the name Čiurlionis to the reference.
As I wrote in the discussion above: adding a Russian name does nothing here. We don't do it for the hundreds of other characters who lived in the Russian Empire but were not Russian. Čiurlionis's biography is divided into two periods in terms of national identification and the language of everyday life. Early youth, when brought up in Polish culture and language, he felt Polish. And also the later period when, under the influence of the Lithuanian national revival, he became an ardent Lithuanian patriot. Still in 1901, he wrote to a friend: “We should be proud to be Poles […]. Our land, our freedom, our rights have been taken away, but our speech, our hearts, our intelligence will not be taken from us even by force". Moreover, Čiurlionis was a talented man of letters and wrote only in Polish. This does not mean that I want to make him a Pole by force. But it does not mean that his connection to Polish culture or the fact of using a Polish-sounding name should be hidden.
As a matter of fact if Cukrakalnis wants to use standard set by the Napoleon Bonaparte and Joseph Stalin then the article lead should look like this:
Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis [a] (born Mikołaj Konstanty Czurlanis; 22 September [ O.S. 10 September] 1875 – 10 April [ O.S. 28 March] 1911) was a Lithuanian painter, composer and writer in Polish.
Marcelus ( talk) 19:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Doing what you suggest is a clear case of overload.I wasn't avoiding your question. Also, how would we define/find the name he was born with? The baptismal record? The first case of where his name is written down? I'm genuinely unsure. Because in Laurynas Gucevičius' case, we do have a clear baptismal record - Laurentius Masulis. Is the same the case with Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 17:42, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Čiurlionis asked his wife Sofija Kymantaitė-Čiurlionienė to teach him Lithuanian. Interesting. She died not that long ago. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 20:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
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Most sites now say he was born 10 September (os)/22 September (ns) 1875. But Slonimsky places it at 22 September (os)/4 October (ns). The date 10 April also appears in some refs, the 10/4 of 10 April being a transposition of 4 October’s 4/10, so these numbers seem to have some credibility. Are we certain that he was born 10 September under the Julian calendar, and not 22 September? -- JackofOz ( talk) 01:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
The Lithuaninan (I guess) wiki-entry has some info this ine is lacking, if someone who speaks lithuanian could transfer that info it would be great.
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This article spells Ciurlionis's first name as "Mikalojus"; but I have seen the variant "Mikolajus" (exchanging the "o" and "a"). Is there any basis for this? Is it one of those things that cannot be resolved, or is a reason known for the wrong version (whichever that is)? Just wondering. M.J.E. ( talk) 12:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
To prevent future edit warring. Majority of sources describe him as Lithuanian and use his Lithuanian name. Here's a recent Polish source, whose title should make things quite clear. Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis: litewski malarz i kompozytor. Muzeum Śląskie. 2006. ISBN 978-83-60353-24-0. Retrieved 31 August 2012. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Now Sca this edit is simply this close || to qualify for vandalism. I imagine also that Lotje pic that up by watching my page and decided to remove circa 70 % of the works. Do me a favor Lotje, stop watching my page. Hafspajen ( talk) 17:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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Are all those in-line links to Spotify really allowed?? Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
To add to this article: at least a few words describing the general style of this composer's music. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 01:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
I see no reliable references that mention this surname. Please do not remove citations tag until a reference is provided. Lokys dar Vienas ( talk) 20:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Marcelus in his reverting edit summary wrote "not needed here, in the article it's explained that he was born into Polish family" - Well, he was NOT born to Polish family. What is more, at this time the area was part of the Russian Empire and under enforced Russification. So whatever official birth documents he had, they were in Russian. Lokys dar Vienas ( talk) 20:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Čiurlionis was a Lithuanian but a native Polish speaker so I do not see why you need a ref. Merangs ( talk) 22:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
3O Response: Please add the reference. Per WP:Verifiability, any material that is challenged needs an inline citation to a reliable source. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 00:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Cukrakalnis So you are planning to add Russian name to every single Lithuanian, Polish, Georgian etc. figure that was born in Russian Empire? Do you think that's reasonable? I only added Polish version of Čiurlionis names because he was born in a Polish-speaking family and was using that name in his youth. That's literally in every single biography of his, he only later learned Lithuanian etc. Marcelus ( talk) 16:15, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Putting people's names into Efn is not hiding them - it's standard practice on Wikipedia: see the articles Joseph Stalin, Napoleon Bonaparte and Alexander the Great."isn't fully correct", according to you? By the way, Čiurlionis is the primary name used in English sources, so it's actually a good example. Cukrakalnis ( talk) 18:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
The purpose of giving alternative forms of a name, is to indicate the connection of a given figure to different linguistic and cultural circles.Since when? Is this to be found somewhere in Wikipedia's rules and standards? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 12:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Marcelus Great reform of ortography took place in 1936 - in Lithuania? - GizzyCatBella 🍁 13:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Merangs do you mind voicing your opinion regarding these issues ( Polish-Lithuianian) more often please - GizzyCatBella 🍁 22:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
In Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis, there is a dispute about using the Template:Efn for foreign-language names (Russian and Polish). I justify this move by pointing to articles where that is already the case: Joseph Stalin (Russian and Georgian names are in Efn), Napoleon Bonaparte (French, Italian and Corsican names are in Efn), etc. Two users, @ GizzyCatBella and @ Marcelus, are against this and insist on removing the Efn. One of the users, Marcelus, accuses me of trying to "hide" Čiurlionis' Polish name ( [27]), while simultaneously removing the Russian name ( [28], [29]). Should the foreign-language names be put in an Efn or not? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 18:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Note: Related discussion 0.5 second scroll time above. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 19:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Well, this is probably one of the least honest RfCs I've ever read. It is worth adding what I already wrote to the author of the RfC in the discussion above, but he chose to omit it, that even in the examples he gave, the alternative forms of names, namely what the character was born under, are given in the main part of the article. And Template:Efn contains only additional information that would overly stretch the lead of the article (e.g. spelling Stalin's name in Cyrillic and Georgian). It's also not a standard as Cukrakalnis suggests, just a notation used in the few articles he could find (the third Alexander the Great was dropped, apparently because it didn't fit the narrative). Moreover, the Russian form that I removed, Cukrakalnis added today, just to have an excuse to transfer the Polish form of the name Čiurlionis to the reference.
As I wrote in the discussion above: adding a Russian name does nothing here. We don't do it for the hundreds of other characters who lived in the Russian Empire but were not Russian. Čiurlionis's biography is divided into two periods in terms of national identification and the language of everyday life. Early youth, when brought up in Polish culture and language, he felt Polish. And also the later period when, under the influence of the Lithuanian national revival, he became an ardent Lithuanian patriot. Still in 1901, he wrote to a friend: “We should be proud to be Poles […]. Our land, our freedom, our rights have been taken away, but our speech, our hearts, our intelligence will not be taken from us even by force". Moreover, Čiurlionis was a talented man of letters and wrote only in Polish. This does not mean that I want to make him a Pole by force. But it does not mean that his connection to Polish culture or the fact of using a Polish-sounding name should be hidden.
As a matter of fact if Cukrakalnis wants to use standard set by the Napoleon Bonaparte and Joseph Stalin then the article lead should look like this:
Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis [a] (born Mikołaj Konstanty Czurlanis; 22 September [ O.S. 10 September] 1875 – 10 April [ O.S. 28 March] 1911) was a Lithuanian painter, composer and writer in Polish.
Marcelus ( talk) 19:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Doing what you suggest is a clear case of overload.I wasn't avoiding your question. Also, how would we define/find the name he was born with? The baptismal record? The first case of where his name is written down? I'm genuinely unsure. Because in Laurynas Gucevičius' case, we do have a clear baptismal record - Laurentius Masulis. Is the same the case with Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis? Cukrakalnis ( talk) 17:42, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Čiurlionis asked his wife Sofija Kymantaitė-Čiurlionienė to teach him Lithuanian. Interesting. She died not that long ago. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 20:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
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