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The article has two categories refering to Patrick as a Roman Catholic, and a Catholicism convert. However, at no point in the prose is her religious affiliation mentioned. I believe that somewhere (perhaps WP:CAT) that in biographical articles, only categories that are supported in the text should be included. Either the cats should be removed, or, if it is found to be significant, referenced, verifiable prose should be added to the article somewhere. Gentgeen 01:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
This page keeps getting vandalized, especially the references to her IndyCar career (and if I were to bet, it's by disservicing [read: Insane] ChampCar fans). Whatever method is used for semi-protecting the page, please institute it. -- Chr.K. ( talk) 06:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone has been inserting vulgar remarks on this page. I deleted the ones I saw. Unfortunately, it leaves the grammar incorrect. But at least it's not vulgar. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 07:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
This page has been vandalized repeatedly since Sunday, including several times today. Can we get a mod to do a temporary lockdown? Kenhullett ( talk) 21:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
It says that she has one win but her best finish is 7th in 2007. 99.172.137.121 ( talk) 19:28, 20 April 2008
The article currently states that she was a HS cheerleader in 1996 -- which would have made her twelve. Definitely not impossible, but a little strange. — Music Maker 5376 16:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
How is she "american" when her father is Irish and her mother is Serbian and shes got a Serbian name: Danica!
Danica is apparently an American of Irish and Serbian origin: http://www.blic.co.yu/sports.php?id=1998 Although her Serbian and Irish ancestral origins appear to be documented, I don't believe they are particularly relevant to this article unless her official bio or her own promotional literature cite them. If she doesn't call herself Serbian-American or Irish-American in public, I wouldn't bother citing it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.234.79 ( talk) 18:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Let me look through the Martin Luther King Jr. pages are erase the 'African' from African-American because he is simply an American. I'll also call my American friends with Mexican ancestral heritage (formerly known as Mexican-American) and tell them that their Mexican heritage is no longer relevant since they are two generations removed from their immigrant grandparents. I would doubt that 'Bev' finds her ancestral origins to be as irrelevant as you find them. The choice of her daughter's name is one clear indication that 'Serbian-American' means something to the family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.234.79 ( talk) 19:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
<--Looks like it. :( If it hadn't been vandalized, I probably would just have ignored it, too. Oh, well. As for the rest, Serbian, Swedish, whatever, I think there's room for a certain amount of ethnic pride; I wouldn't drop it just because "everybody" can claim it. Not everybody is a woman Champ car racer. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
There's a pretty good genealogy of her here. Her mother's ancestry is entirely Norwegian. Her father's isn't traced very far back. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 00:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#Danica_Patrick
The referenced article (from SI.com) is wrong. Desiré Wilson won a non-championship F1 race, and at least 2 other women won races in the pre-modern World Championship era. Katherine Legge and Simona De Silvestro have won races in the Atlantic Championship and Erin Crocker won races in World of Outlaws. At any rate "major closed course race against multiple competitors" is just awkward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenhullett ( talk • contribs) 04:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, Milka Duno won races in Grand Am (albeit with a co-driver). That certainly qualifies as a "major closed course race against multiple competitors." Kenhullett ( talk) 04:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
ZueJay and Ken are right: the IRL statement is not just wrong, it's ludicrously so. See the lengthy discussion here for examples of about 10 other women who have won at various levels that could be called major, over the last 70 years. Cheers. 4u1e ( talk) 07:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Denise McCluggage-nuff said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.96.73 ( talk) 12:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Removed because it's terribly irrelevant. An IndyCar racer (and especially this one) is of a much higher level of fame than a NASCAR reporter, and the shared experience has nothing to do with either one reaching their current levels of fame. Lambertman ( talk) 21:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This section has nothing but negative comments about Danica Patrick from other drivers and just one fact that she finally won one race. How does winning one race balance two paragraphs of nothing but spitful comments (although referenced) from other drivers. There has to be someone authoritative out there who thought that she was good for the sport. How about adding some of those quotes. It's not really a controversy if everyone agrees that Patrick is destroying the sport. Something is a controversy if there are at least two polarizing views. From the section, it seems that there is just one view - Patrick is a bimbo who the crew are afraid to strap in. That's why it's NPOV - no neutrality in the section. -- RossF18 ( talk) 00:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Strongly agree. -- CaptainVlad ( talk) 06:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Racing ability" section of this page is subjective partisan banter dedicated to veiled character assassination and does not reflect a neutral point of view. Marty Roth and Milka Duno among other IndyCar drivers do not have such sections despite having zero top-10 finishes in their IndyCar careers. This entire area should be removed, it is sexist, reeks of selective enforcement and is without merit. Katherine Legge, Sarah Fisher, and Lyn St. James are all spared such treatment, but Danica Patrick remains the focus of vicious attacks from those with an agenda. Shame of Wikipedia and the webmasters assigned for not providing effective governance to limit such overtly prejudice-laden content.
-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 05:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I completely disagree with your sentiment. You stated "Patrick just needs to control her temper a bit and be more careful when talking to fans and reporters given the current instant news era". Who are you to pass judgment? This section of Wikipedia remains highly discriminatory in tone, reflects pejorative meaning upon women and a lack of a neutral point of view. The Bob Margolis of Yahoo! Sports "drama queen" quote is highly subjective, sexist, and reflects a lack of journalistic integrity among other concerns and does not merit inclusion. If this section is to be fair, it should include in detail the apologies that Patrick has been given secondary to the sexist treatment she has been subjected to from the likes of F1 CEO Bernie Eccleston among others to provide perspective to readers. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=irl&id=2092194-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 22:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
You state that "your point would be outvoted by most editors"... what metrics do you have that evidence that? You have absolutely no data to substantiate such. In addition, a Wikipedia Editor stating "Patrick just needs to control her temper a bit and be more careful when talking to fans and reporters given the current instant news era" reflects subjectivity and lacks a neutral point of view. Wikipedia Editors are not supposed to pass judgment or selectively enforce regulation depending upon their own prejudice which you verbalized within that statement. This section of Wikipedia remains highly discriminatory in tone.-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 00:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
You are clearly evidencing a discriminatory and selective view by citing that "Patrick is more than free to have a temper and voice her disagreements, just because other drivers don't have a similar temper." Racing ability has nothing to do with temper. Tony Stewart, Alex Tagliani, Tomas Scheckter, A.J. Foyt, Tony Kanaan, and Sam Hornish Jr. all had actual fights with punches thrown (against drivers or race officials) and evidenced more than a "similar temper" but none of those drivers have discriminatory sections on Wikipedia dedicated to veiled character assassination because the editors do not care for her "temper".
By the way, an objective editor would have included Patrick's performance at the 2009 Long Beach Grand Prix in the supposed "Racing Ability" section since she started at the back in 22nd and finished in 4th (a net gain better than any other driver on the grid).
In addition, the "Indy 500 results" section is also incorrect. Patrick drove a Panoz Honda in 2006 for Rahal-Letterman Racing... not a Dallara. The photo on your page is from the 2006 Indianapolis 500 and the chassis clearly has a triangular airbox and a non-blistered nose.
-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 22:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Thebatsignal seems confused regarding the authorship of the article and the whole concept of multiple editor edited article. Nothing in my comments suggests that it's my article and if you see a problem, please fix them yourself instead of blaming me, for some reason, for mistakes found in the article. As far as temper and racing ability heading, the section was previously titled criticism, so if you rather the section be titled that instead, you're more than welcome to change it. And before commenting regarding other drivers' article, take the time to read them. A direct quote from Tony Stewart's article is:
The 2001 season was not without controversy, however. Jeff Gordon pulled a "bump and run" on Stewart to gain a better finishing position in a race in Bristol, and it resulted in Stewart retaliating in a post-race incident by spinning Gordon out on pit road. Stewart was fined and placed on probation by NASCAR. He got into further trouble at Daytona, when he confronted a Winston Cup official after ignoring a black flag. At the same race, he also got into an incident with a reporter, kicking away a tape recorder. He confronted the same NASCAR official at the race in Talladega after refusing to wear a mandated head-and-neck restraint. Stewart was not allowed to practice until wearing one and only managed to practice after his crew chief, Greg Zipadelli intervened. His fines and probation periods resulting from these incidents have earned Stewart a reputation of having a hot-temper, and he became NASCAR's "bad boy".
I'm not sure how the above quote is different than pointing out that Danika also has a temper. It has nothing to do with her racing ability. A temper is a temper. Every driver who is generally known (not just by your own opinion) for a fiery temper has at least some commentary regarding this. The section is just mislabeled. Also, if you prefer (and as Amedeofelix suggests) you can always merge the section into the article itself to take some focus of having a separate section regarding the controversy. However, I still would argue that nothing in my comments is discriminary and your repeated comments in this regard do not make it any more true. First you claimed that the section was discriminary because it commented on her temper, than you moved on to accusing me of discriminating against her (assuming somehow that I wrote the section), then when I specifically said that I don't care whether she has a temper or not (a reverse of your first objection), you continue to accuse me of discriminatory comments. Clearly, anything I say regarding Patrick's temper will be discriminary in your eyes. I don't think I have ever said that her temper had anything to do with her racing ability, and the title (or mistitle) of the section has nothing to do with me. If you continue to accuse me of discriminatary comments and given my lack of desire to further attempt to prove that nothing in my comments is discriminatory, you'll have a discussion on this point only with yourself since I will reply only to new points of business. -- RossF18 ( talk) 03:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
The " Controversy" section is appallingly POV. The section is basically a personal reflection on Danica's character & the way she has handled her career.
The author of the section has cleverly pulled together specific citations designed prove an argument of his or her own making -- namely, that Danica Patrick is media-obsessed and draws too much attention to herself and (b) is given significant advantage due to her "low weight" (read: "the fact that she's a woman"). Whether this is true or not is irrelevant to this article. Patrick is an athlete. This article is notable because of her success and recognition stemming from and associated with her athletic performance. Part of a professional athlete's job is promotion. Whether or not it is excessive - this is not a judgement that Wikipedia authors are allowed impart into an article. (Although this is not one of them, there are some articles that are permitted to offer judgements. These are articles about artists and their works of art. In these certain cases, one can write about opinions of artwork if they can be supported by citations to recognized critics in the field and are given in context of other, contrary criticism. However, this doesn't apply to this article because (a) the opinions being given are about her character and persona and (b) Danica Patrick isn't an artist.)
Regardless, some of the citations used were from haphazardly collected opinion articles (not typical journalistic covering a subject neutrally), and all of the citations were cherry-picked; they contained an agenda. The author took a particular point of view and then collected citations that supported his view and ignored those that opposed it.
It is not OK to write a section that is mostly a collection of personal attacks and mudslinging -- the usual fodder that circulates about the social and professional scene of a given sport. The fodder comes from all places but legitimate journalism on the sport itself. It is about everything but the sport itself. If you want to include this type of information, then why not also add it to the articles on other drivers besides Danica Patrick? Why don't articles on baseball players and football players go into the gossip, rumor and opinion cycle that one finds on the net and the opinion side of ESPN? There are criticisms and insults lobbed back and forth all different drivers all the time. But, somehow, they don't end up in the articles on these drivers. So why is the Danica Patrick article singled out for this kind of pointed, frivolous criticism section? I'll let you all do the math...
Needless to say, I'm deleting the tripe and leaving the bit about her being a female driver and the controversy over it. I think that's better than clogging the article up with all of the necessary template messages ("POV-section," "Unbalanced," "Unencyclopedic," "Remove-section," etc.). It's fine to have a section on the controversy over her being a female driver. But you cannot turn it into an agenda piece on why there shouldn't be female drivers. It's a debate. Some drivers have resisted the rise in the number of females in the sport (in some cases, for real sports-related reasons and, in others, for no reason besides the fact that women "shouldn't drive race cars"), and, on the other hand, some drivers have supported women joining the competition. It's fine to report on that. Just use integrity please. Report on it in a neutral, accurate and respectful manner. Lose the agenda.
Thanks. Cheers, ask123 ( talk) 04:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
^ "Robby Gordon raining on Danica's parade". Associated Press. May 28, 2005. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=wc&id=2070899. Retrieved on 2007-03-10. Robby Gordon currently races in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, which since 1997 has weighed cars (3,400 pounds (1,500 kg) without driver, 3,600 pounds (1,600 kg) with driver), but drivers under 150 pounds (68 kg) have an advantage since the maximum amount of weight that can be added to cars for lighter drivers is 50 pounds (23 kg).) ^ "Biography for Danica Patrick". IMDb.com. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1701077/bio. ^ "IRL Sets Weight Standards for Drivers". epochtimes.com. 2008-04-03. http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-4-3/68499.html. Retrieved on 2008-04-22. ^ "Justin Wilson". Indycar.com. http://www.indycar.com/drivers/driver.php?driver_id=408. Retrieved on 2008-04-23. ^ "Dallara chassis program". Indycar.com. http://www.indycar.com/tech/chassis.php. Retrieved on 2008-04-23. ^ "As Patrick's Star Rises, I.R.L. Is Along for Ride". The New York Times. May 31, 2005. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/sports/othersports/31indy.html?scp=1&sq=%22danica+patrick%22+%22minimal+effect%22&st=nyt. Retrieved on 2008-02-16.
Why does the controversy section leave out the main problem many have with Patrick? While the "woman" angle is more appealing, her ability vs hype is an even bigger controversy. There are scores of fans who do not think Patrick deserves all the glorified hype and attention she gets in comparision to her less than glorified racing results. Case in point, Versus will do a one hour feature on her five years at Indy (instead of many other worthy drivers there), however she has only won one minor race in those five years. I am not trying to start any fights, I just think this is something that should be looked into. If people were fair and objective, they would see plenty of evidence to support this as well as reasons to include it. NeuGye ( talk) 00:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Does the comment regarding Danica being linked to possible F1 testing with the US team really belong in the controversy section? It does not seem to be a matter of controversy, just a possible turn in her career. There is a section specifically dedicated to her possible move to F1. It seems to me that since the same information is available in that section, that having it mentioned in "Controversy" is unnecessary given that no explanation on why it is a controversy is included. Would people object to this edit? Either that, or does someone have a source that they can cite and then explain in her article as to why this is indeed a cause for controversy? ( Dml4dsp ( talk) 19:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC))
It's been said that per WP:CRITS, criticism sections should be integrated into the article. Given how small the section is, that shouldn't be a problem. Just putting it out there for discussion.-- RossF18 ( talk) 20:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Im removing criticism based on her sex as a violation of BLP. Ones sex is not a legitimate point of criticism. That is just silly. If you want to criticize her racing record.. that would be legitimate. criticizing her based on her sex is nothing more then a slam job and contributes nothing to the article. In fact, it is more applicable to nascar's view of women drivers in general and not her personally. It is not only sexist but stupid in claiming because she is a woman she somehow cannot drive a car. Thats like saying because you (or any male) are a man.. you have no capacity for rational thought..and should be home swigging beers in in front of your trailer..or hauling lumber..and scratching your balls...criticism is meant for actual criticism of an event or point of view not a retarded diatribe on why women should not be in nascar. BLP does not allow you to blast people with your opinion based on the fact someone was born female. Just because something is commented on.. does not make it encyclopedia material...btw.. RossF18 said it should be integrated into the article.. meaning not have its own section but be mixed into the article.. how you get criticism section is cool from his post is beyond me..talk about seeing what you want to see...lol - Tracer9999 ( talk) 05:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
<--That being true, I'd suggest either 1) note it, with (cited, naturally) ref to younger drivers being a bit fiesty or 2) take it out entire. My personal preference is 1), because inexperience is a fact of her driving career (of every driver, actually). I wouldn't leave it out of Senna's page, & if Danica's the same way in the car, it shouldn't get left out of hers because she's a woman, presuming we can get a source saying something beyond "eew, a girl". TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 21:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm confused--the 'critics' based on the references appears only one person--Robbie Gordon, and that was 5 years ago. Can we just take this out? One paragraph with two sentences where only one suggests criticism is not meaningful. Buzzbo ( talk) 04:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
According to the Daily Star among several other sources, Sir Richard Branson and Virgin Racing offered Danica Patrick a full-time F1 seat for 2010 but she declined instead opting for a return to IndyCar in conjunction with a limited NASCAR Nationwide schedule.
"America’s knockout queen of speed Danica Patrick, an IndyCar winner and regular front-runner, topped his [Branson's] targets – but she opted to stay in the USA." - Daily Star, December 20th, 2009
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/113451/Richard-Branson-s-curvy-plan-for-F1
There is no mention of this in the F1 section of the Danica Patrick wikipedia article, but there should be.
--Thebatsignal (talk) 20:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs)
Really, the only team I've heard was a possibility was USF1.--raganbaby_6 22:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raganbaby 6 ( talk • contribs)
The above quotes are yet another example of the selective enforcement by users on Wikipedia's Danica Patrick page. I provided a verifiable professional media source with direct quotes stating that Virgin F1 offered Patrick a seat and thus it should be included within the Danica Patrick Wikipedia article within the F1 section... but the response I get is "the only team I've heard was a possibility was USF1" from someone who offers no professional media sources stating otherwise. In addition I am provided subjective assessment by another user who seems more concerned with interpreting the team's underlying motivation.
Are we including verifiable encyclopedic information or just selective content approved by users when it is congruent with their agenda, motivation or perspective?
--Thebatsignal (talk) 17:01, 26 December 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs)
I have to apologize to the editor who is building a table on this subject. When I saw it initially onscreen with bot flagging as TAGged for repetitive characters and the BOT correction just prior, it appeared that editor was making a test edit. After looking at what the editor is doing on the article, I reverted myself. The table should be allowed to be built. Cheers! -- Morenooso ( talk) 19:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Danica finished 6th, not 5th. http://www.indycar.com/schedule/raceresults/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.169.86 ( talk) 23:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed that at some point someone replaced the majority of places where it said "Andretti Green Racing" in the text of this page (race seasons 2007-2009)with "Andretti Autosport." As "Andretti Autosport" was not the official name of the team at that time, I think that, in the interests of accuracy, all references to her team for the 2007, 2008, and 2009 seasons should be reverted back to "Andretti Green Racing" and "Andretti Autosport" only used for this season (and beyond). I would like to know what others this of this proposal? Dml4dsp ( talk) 00:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
In the infobox at the top of the page, is there any way to remove "2010 from where it says "2010 IRL Indycar Series"? I beleive that having the "2010" there is confusing many users who think that the box below that is supposed to be stats from the current season, instead of overall stats. More than once now people have changed numbers within the box to match the current season instead of overall numbers. I can't figure out how to do so. If someone else can, that would be great. 24.22.105.177 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC).
The IndyCar credit "Most Popular Driver" is incorrect and should read 2005-2010. Per the Wikipedia IndyCar page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndyCar_Series via the section "Seasons", and IndyCar official website at http://www.indycar.com/news/archive/show/55-izod-indycar-series/33847-night-for-the-fans/ . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs) 04:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Since Lyn St. James won 2 races at Daytona International Speedway in the 24 Hours of Daytona (1987 & 1990) how can Danica be listed as the first woman to lead a lap at Daytona ?. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyn_St._James. Also the Nationwide series is not the top-circuit in NASCAR, the Sprint Cup is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series MBarje ( talk) 16:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source clearing up who supplies what on the Cup side? The last I think I recall reading was that the actual cars were Tony's when Danica is in the 10. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
The infobox photo shows her wearing very dark sunglasses. This makes it a bad picture for the infobox especially since those sunglasses are not a trademark look for her, unlike Roy Orbison. Auchansa ( talk) 03:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I copy edited this section. -- Malerooster ( talk) 04:11, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
"Robby Gordon has claimed that Patrick's comparatively low body weight constitutes unfair competition due to the inverse proportionality of the combined mass of a car and its driver, and its maximum velocity."
This is an incredibly pretentious way of writing "Lighter cars go faster". I suggest editing to "...due to the advantage given in maximum speed".
"However, the body weight of male drivers have the higher muscle mass, which is a key component in distance and endurance"
This is just bad English - delete "the" please.
Cannot do myself as article has been locked to editing. -- 31.51.157.227 ( talk) 08:22, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Is User:The Bushranger at any point going to attempt to justify presenting "model and advertising spokeswoman" as if they are equal in importance to her being a racing driver, or is he just going to continue adding this text without justification? 200.30.223.19 ( talk) 03:16, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
The "personal life" section included the solo line "....does CrossFit to help stay in shape." In the context of a bio of a living person this is basically spam - no better than mentioning any other product she prefers. Unless it in some way can be linked to her success (and that would be dubious) it ought to be removed, and I am doing so. I have added this "talk" section as justification and a place to have further discussion, if needed. Arbalest Mike ( talk) 22:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
The Indycar part of the infobox says her best finish was 5th, yet it also says she won a race. That's confusing or wrong. Either way, can it be fixed? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 15:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Looking at Juan Pablo Montoya's infobox, the Formula 1 section is much easier to understand (in the light of this discussion) than the American racing series - it's unambiguous. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 16:20, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
The Patrick surname is Scottish in origin, and was brought to Ireland via Scotland in the 17th Century (plantation period). Jonathan f1 ( talk) 20:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Watch podcasts 2601:184:407F:CBB0:2C7C:7A7:2E59:1C60 ( talk) 05:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Your own stats show that her best finish in the CUP series was 24th twice. Therefore she has 0 top 10's like all other women in Nascar. 74.123.17.218 ( talk) 16:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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The article has two categories refering to Patrick as a Roman Catholic, and a Catholicism convert. However, at no point in the prose is her religious affiliation mentioned. I believe that somewhere (perhaps WP:CAT) that in biographical articles, only categories that are supported in the text should be included. Either the cats should be removed, or, if it is found to be significant, referenced, verifiable prose should be added to the article somewhere. Gentgeen 01:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
This page keeps getting vandalized, especially the references to her IndyCar career (and if I were to bet, it's by disservicing [read: Insane] ChampCar fans). Whatever method is used for semi-protecting the page, please institute it. -- Chr.K. ( talk) 06:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone has been inserting vulgar remarks on this page. I deleted the ones I saw. Unfortunately, it leaves the grammar incorrect. But at least it's not vulgar. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 07:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
This page has been vandalized repeatedly since Sunday, including several times today. Can we get a mod to do a temporary lockdown? Kenhullett ( talk) 21:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
It says that she has one win but her best finish is 7th in 2007. 99.172.137.121 ( talk) 19:28, 20 April 2008
The article currently states that she was a HS cheerleader in 1996 -- which would have made her twelve. Definitely not impossible, but a little strange. — Music Maker 5376 16:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
How is she "american" when her father is Irish and her mother is Serbian and shes got a Serbian name: Danica!
Danica is apparently an American of Irish and Serbian origin: http://www.blic.co.yu/sports.php?id=1998 Although her Serbian and Irish ancestral origins appear to be documented, I don't believe they are particularly relevant to this article unless her official bio or her own promotional literature cite them. If she doesn't call herself Serbian-American or Irish-American in public, I wouldn't bother citing it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.234.79 ( talk) 18:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Let me look through the Martin Luther King Jr. pages are erase the 'African' from African-American because he is simply an American. I'll also call my American friends with Mexican ancestral heritage (formerly known as Mexican-American) and tell them that their Mexican heritage is no longer relevant since they are two generations removed from their immigrant grandparents. I would doubt that 'Bev' finds her ancestral origins to be as irrelevant as you find them. The choice of her daughter's name is one clear indication that 'Serbian-American' means something to the family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.234.79 ( talk) 19:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
<--Looks like it. :( If it hadn't been vandalized, I probably would just have ignored it, too. Oh, well. As for the rest, Serbian, Swedish, whatever, I think there's room for a certain amount of ethnic pride; I wouldn't drop it just because "everybody" can claim it. Not everybody is a woman Champ car racer. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
There's a pretty good genealogy of her here. Her mother's ancestry is entirely Norwegian. Her father's isn't traced very far back. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 00:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#Danica_Patrick
The referenced article (from SI.com) is wrong. Desiré Wilson won a non-championship F1 race, and at least 2 other women won races in the pre-modern World Championship era. Katherine Legge and Simona De Silvestro have won races in the Atlantic Championship and Erin Crocker won races in World of Outlaws. At any rate "major closed course race against multiple competitors" is just awkward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenhullett ( talk • contribs) 04:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, Milka Duno won races in Grand Am (albeit with a co-driver). That certainly qualifies as a "major closed course race against multiple competitors." Kenhullett ( talk) 04:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
ZueJay and Ken are right: the IRL statement is not just wrong, it's ludicrously so. See the lengthy discussion here for examples of about 10 other women who have won at various levels that could be called major, over the last 70 years. Cheers. 4u1e ( talk) 07:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Denise McCluggage-nuff said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.96.73 ( talk) 12:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Removed because it's terribly irrelevant. An IndyCar racer (and especially this one) is of a much higher level of fame than a NASCAR reporter, and the shared experience has nothing to do with either one reaching their current levels of fame. Lambertman ( talk) 21:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This section has nothing but negative comments about Danica Patrick from other drivers and just one fact that she finally won one race. How does winning one race balance two paragraphs of nothing but spitful comments (although referenced) from other drivers. There has to be someone authoritative out there who thought that she was good for the sport. How about adding some of those quotes. It's not really a controversy if everyone agrees that Patrick is destroying the sport. Something is a controversy if there are at least two polarizing views. From the section, it seems that there is just one view - Patrick is a bimbo who the crew are afraid to strap in. That's why it's NPOV - no neutrality in the section. -- RossF18 ( talk) 00:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Strongly agree. -- CaptainVlad ( talk) 06:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Racing ability" section of this page is subjective partisan banter dedicated to veiled character assassination and does not reflect a neutral point of view. Marty Roth and Milka Duno among other IndyCar drivers do not have such sections despite having zero top-10 finishes in their IndyCar careers. This entire area should be removed, it is sexist, reeks of selective enforcement and is without merit. Katherine Legge, Sarah Fisher, and Lyn St. James are all spared such treatment, but Danica Patrick remains the focus of vicious attacks from those with an agenda. Shame of Wikipedia and the webmasters assigned for not providing effective governance to limit such overtly prejudice-laden content.
-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 05:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I completely disagree with your sentiment. You stated "Patrick just needs to control her temper a bit and be more careful when talking to fans and reporters given the current instant news era". Who are you to pass judgment? This section of Wikipedia remains highly discriminatory in tone, reflects pejorative meaning upon women and a lack of a neutral point of view. The Bob Margolis of Yahoo! Sports "drama queen" quote is highly subjective, sexist, and reflects a lack of journalistic integrity among other concerns and does not merit inclusion. If this section is to be fair, it should include in detail the apologies that Patrick has been given secondary to the sexist treatment she has been subjected to from the likes of F1 CEO Bernie Eccleston among others to provide perspective to readers. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=irl&id=2092194-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 22:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
You state that "your point would be outvoted by most editors"... what metrics do you have that evidence that? You have absolutely no data to substantiate such. In addition, a Wikipedia Editor stating "Patrick just needs to control her temper a bit and be more careful when talking to fans and reporters given the current instant news era" reflects subjectivity and lacks a neutral point of view. Wikipedia Editors are not supposed to pass judgment or selectively enforce regulation depending upon their own prejudice which you verbalized within that statement. This section of Wikipedia remains highly discriminatory in tone.-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 00:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
You are clearly evidencing a discriminatory and selective view by citing that "Patrick is more than free to have a temper and voice her disagreements, just because other drivers don't have a similar temper." Racing ability has nothing to do with temper. Tony Stewart, Alex Tagliani, Tomas Scheckter, A.J. Foyt, Tony Kanaan, and Sam Hornish Jr. all had actual fights with punches thrown (against drivers or race officials) and evidenced more than a "similar temper" but none of those drivers have discriminatory sections on Wikipedia dedicated to veiled character assassination because the editors do not care for her "temper".
By the way, an objective editor would have included Patrick's performance at the 2009 Long Beach Grand Prix in the supposed "Racing Ability" section since she started at the back in 22nd and finished in 4th (a net gain better than any other driver on the grid).
In addition, the "Indy 500 results" section is also incorrect. Patrick drove a Panoz Honda in 2006 for Rahal-Letterman Racing... not a Dallara. The photo on your page is from the 2006 Indianapolis 500 and the chassis clearly has a triangular airbox and a non-blistered nose.
-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 22:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Thebatsignal seems confused regarding the authorship of the article and the whole concept of multiple editor edited article. Nothing in my comments suggests that it's my article and if you see a problem, please fix them yourself instead of blaming me, for some reason, for mistakes found in the article. As far as temper and racing ability heading, the section was previously titled criticism, so if you rather the section be titled that instead, you're more than welcome to change it. And before commenting regarding other drivers' article, take the time to read them. A direct quote from Tony Stewart's article is:
The 2001 season was not without controversy, however. Jeff Gordon pulled a "bump and run" on Stewart to gain a better finishing position in a race in Bristol, and it resulted in Stewart retaliating in a post-race incident by spinning Gordon out on pit road. Stewart was fined and placed on probation by NASCAR. He got into further trouble at Daytona, when he confronted a Winston Cup official after ignoring a black flag. At the same race, he also got into an incident with a reporter, kicking away a tape recorder. He confronted the same NASCAR official at the race in Talladega after refusing to wear a mandated head-and-neck restraint. Stewart was not allowed to practice until wearing one and only managed to practice after his crew chief, Greg Zipadelli intervened. His fines and probation periods resulting from these incidents have earned Stewart a reputation of having a hot-temper, and he became NASCAR's "bad boy".
I'm not sure how the above quote is different than pointing out that Danika also has a temper. It has nothing to do with her racing ability. A temper is a temper. Every driver who is generally known (not just by your own opinion) for a fiery temper has at least some commentary regarding this. The section is just mislabeled. Also, if you prefer (and as Amedeofelix suggests) you can always merge the section into the article itself to take some focus of having a separate section regarding the controversy. However, I still would argue that nothing in my comments is discriminary and your repeated comments in this regard do not make it any more true. First you claimed that the section was discriminary because it commented on her temper, than you moved on to accusing me of discriminating against her (assuming somehow that I wrote the section), then when I specifically said that I don't care whether she has a temper or not (a reverse of your first objection), you continue to accuse me of discriminatory comments. Clearly, anything I say regarding Patrick's temper will be discriminary in your eyes. I don't think I have ever said that her temper had anything to do with her racing ability, and the title (or mistitle) of the section has nothing to do with me. If you continue to accuse me of discriminatary comments and given my lack of desire to further attempt to prove that nothing in my comments is discriminatory, you'll have a discussion on this point only with yourself since I will reply only to new points of business. -- RossF18 ( talk) 03:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
The " Controversy" section is appallingly POV. The section is basically a personal reflection on Danica's character & the way she has handled her career.
The author of the section has cleverly pulled together specific citations designed prove an argument of his or her own making -- namely, that Danica Patrick is media-obsessed and draws too much attention to herself and (b) is given significant advantage due to her "low weight" (read: "the fact that she's a woman"). Whether this is true or not is irrelevant to this article. Patrick is an athlete. This article is notable because of her success and recognition stemming from and associated with her athletic performance. Part of a professional athlete's job is promotion. Whether or not it is excessive - this is not a judgement that Wikipedia authors are allowed impart into an article. (Although this is not one of them, there are some articles that are permitted to offer judgements. These are articles about artists and their works of art. In these certain cases, one can write about opinions of artwork if they can be supported by citations to recognized critics in the field and are given in context of other, contrary criticism. However, this doesn't apply to this article because (a) the opinions being given are about her character and persona and (b) Danica Patrick isn't an artist.)
Regardless, some of the citations used were from haphazardly collected opinion articles (not typical journalistic covering a subject neutrally), and all of the citations were cherry-picked; they contained an agenda. The author took a particular point of view and then collected citations that supported his view and ignored those that opposed it.
It is not OK to write a section that is mostly a collection of personal attacks and mudslinging -- the usual fodder that circulates about the social and professional scene of a given sport. The fodder comes from all places but legitimate journalism on the sport itself. It is about everything but the sport itself. If you want to include this type of information, then why not also add it to the articles on other drivers besides Danica Patrick? Why don't articles on baseball players and football players go into the gossip, rumor and opinion cycle that one finds on the net and the opinion side of ESPN? There are criticisms and insults lobbed back and forth all different drivers all the time. But, somehow, they don't end up in the articles on these drivers. So why is the Danica Patrick article singled out for this kind of pointed, frivolous criticism section? I'll let you all do the math...
Needless to say, I'm deleting the tripe and leaving the bit about her being a female driver and the controversy over it. I think that's better than clogging the article up with all of the necessary template messages ("POV-section," "Unbalanced," "Unencyclopedic," "Remove-section," etc.). It's fine to have a section on the controversy over her being a female driver. But you cannot turn it into an agenda piece on why there shouldn't be female drivers. It's a debate. Some drivers have resisted the rise in the number of females in the sport (in some cases, for real sports-related reasons and, in others, for no reason besides the fact that women "shouldn't drive race cars"), and, on the other hand, some drivers have supported women joining the competition. It's fine to report on that. Just use integrity please. Report on it in a neutral, accurate and respectful manner. Lose the agenda.
Thanks. Cheers, ask123 ( talk) 04:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
^ "Robby Gordon raining on Danica's parade". Associated Press. May 28, 2005. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=wc&id=2070899. Retrieved on 2007-03-10. Robby Gordon currently races in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, which since 1997 has weighed cars (3,400 pounds (1,500 kg) without driver, 3,600 pounds (1,600 kg) with driver), but drivers under 150 pounds (68 kg) have an advantage since the maximum amount of weight that can be added to cars for lighter drivers is 50 pounds (23 kg).) ^ "Biography for Danica Patrick". IMDb.com. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1701077/bio. ^ "IRL Sets Weight Standards for Drivers". epochtimes.com. 2008-04-03. http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-4-3/68499.html. Retrieved on 2008-04-22. ^ "Justin Wilson". Indycar.com. http://www.indycar.com/drivers/driver.php?driver_id=408. Retrieved on 2008-04-23. ^ "Dallara chassis program". Indycar.com. http://www.indycar.com/tech/chassis.php. Retrieved on 2008-04-23. ^ "As Patrick's Star Rises, I.R.L. Is Along for Ride". The New York Times. May 31, 2005. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/sports/othersports/31indy.html?scp=1&sq=%22danica+patrick%22+%22minimal+effect%22&st=nyt. Retrieved on 2008-02-16.
Why does the controversy section leave out the main problem many have with Patrick? While the "woman" angle is more appealing, her ability vs hype is an even bigger controversy. There are scores of fans who do not think Patrick deserves all the glorified hype and attention she gets in comparision to her less than glorified racing results. Case in point, Versus will do a one hour feature on her five years at Indy (instead of many other worthy drivers there), however she has only won one minor race in those five years. I am not trying to start any fights, I just think this is something that should be looked into. If people were fair and objective, they would see plenty of evidence to support this as well as reasons to include it. NeuGye ( talk) 00:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Does the comment regarding Danica being linked to possible F1 testing with the US team really belong in the controversy section? It does not seem to be a matter of controversy, just a possible turn in her career. There is a section specifically dedicated to her possible move to F1. It seems to me that since the same information is available in that section, that having it mentioned in "Controversy" is unnecessary given that no explanation on why it is a controversy is included. Would people object to this edit? Either that, or does someone have a source that they can cite and then explain in her article as to why this is indeed a cause for controversy? ( Dml4dsp ( talk) 19:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC))
It's been said that per WP:CRITS, criticism sections should be integrated into the article. Given how small the section is, that shouldn't be a problem. Just putting it out there for discussion.-- RossF18 ( talk) 20:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Im removing criticism based on her sex as a violation of BLP. Ones sex is not a legitimate point of criticism. That is just silly. If you want to criticize her racing record.. that would be legitimate. criticizing her based on her sex is nothing more then a slam job and contributes nothing to the article. In fact, it is more applicable to nascar's view of women drivers in general and not her personally. It is not only sexist but stupid in claiming because she is a woman she somehow cannot drive a car. Thats like saying because you (or any male) are a man.. you have no capacity for rational thought..and should be home swigging beers in in front of your trailer..or hauling lumber..and scratching your balls...criticism is meant for actual criticism of an event or point of view not a retarded diatribe on why women should not be in nascar. BLP does not allow you to blast people with your opinion based on the fact someone was born female. Just because something is commented on.. does not make it encyclopedia material...btw.. RossF18 said it should be integrated into the article.. meaning not have its own section but be mixed into the article.. how you get criticism section is cool from his post is beyond me..talk about seeing what you want to see...lol - Tracer9999 ( talk) 05:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
<--That being true, I'd suggest either 1) note it, with (cited, naturally) ref to younger drivers being a bit fiesty or 2) take it out entire. My personal preference is 1), because inexperience is a fact of her driving career (of every driver, actually). I wouldn't leave it out of Senna's page, & if Danica's the same way in the car, it shouldn't get left out of hers because she's a woman, presuming we can get a source saying something beyond "eew, a girl". TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 21:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm confused--the 'critics' based on the references appears only one person--Robbie Gordon, and that was 5 years ago. Can we just take this out? One paragraph with two sentences where only one suggests criticism is not meaningful. Buzzbo ( talk) 04:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
According to the Daily Star among several other sources, Sir Richard Branson and Virgin Racing offered Danica Patrick a full-time F1 seat for 2010 but she declined instead opting for a return to IndyCar in conjunction with a limited NASCAR Nationwide schedule.
"America’s knockout queen of speed Danica Patrick, an IndyCar winner and regular front-runner, topped his [Branson's] targets – but she opted to stay in the USA." - Daily Star, December 20th, 2009
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/113451/Richard-Branson-s-curvy-plan-for-F1
There is no mention of this in the F1 section of the Danica Patrick wikipedia article, but there should be.
--Thebatsignal (talk) 20:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs)
Really, the only team I've heard was a possibility was USF1.--raganbaby_6 22:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raganbaby 6 ( talk • contribs)
The above quotes are yet another example of the selective enforcement by users on Wikipedia's Danica Patrick page. I provided a verifiable professional media source with direct quotes stating that Virgin F1 offered Patrick a seat and thus it should be included within the Danica Patrick Wikipedia article within the F1 section... but the response I get is "the only team I've heard was a possibility was USF1" from someone who offers no professional media sources stating otherwise. In addition I am provided subjective assessment by another user who seems more concerned with interpreting the team's underlying motivation.
Are we including verifiable encyclopedic information or just selective content approved by users when it is congruent with their agenda, motivation or perspective?
--Thebatsignal (talk) 17:01, 26 December 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs)
I have to apologize to the editor who is building a table on this subject. When I saw it initially onscreen with bot flagging as TAGged for repetitive characters and the BOT correction just prior, it appeared that editor was making a test edit. After looking at what the editor is doing on the article, I reverted myself. The table should be allowed to be built. Cheers! -- Morenooso ( talk) 19:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Danica finished 6th, not 5th. http://www.indycar.com/schedule/raceresults/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.169.86 ( talk) 23:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed that at some point someone replaced the majority of places where it said "Andretti Green Racing" in the text of this page (race seasons 2007-2009)with "Andretti Autosport." As "Andretti Autosport" was not the official name of the team at that time, I think that, in the interests of accuracy, all references to her team for the 2007, 2008, and 2009 seasons should be reverted back to "Andretti Green Racing" and "Andretti Autosport" only used for this season (and beyond). I would like to know what others this of this proposal? Dml4dsp ( talk) 00:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
In the infobox at the top of the page, is there any way to remove "2010 from where it says "2010 IRL Indycar Series"? I beleive that having the "2010" there is confusing many users who think that the box below that is supposed to be stats from the current season, instead of overall stats. More than once now people have changed numbers within the box to match the current season instead of overall numbers. I can't figure out how to do so. If someone else can, that would be great. 24.22.105.177 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC).
The IndyCar credit "Most Popular Driver" is incorrect and should read 2005-2010. Per the Wikipedia IndyCar page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndyCar_Series via the section "Seasons", and IndyCar official website at http://www.indycar.com/news/archive/show/55-izod-indycar-series/33847-night-for-the-fans/ . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs) 04:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Since Lyn St. James won 2 races at Daytona International Speedway in the 24 Hours of Daytona (1987 & 1990) how can Danica be listed as the first woman to lead a lap at Daytona ?. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyn_St._James. Also the Nationwide series is not the top-circuit in NASCAR, the Sprint Cup is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series MBarje ( talk) 16:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source clearing up who supplies what on the Cup side? The last I think I recall reading was that the actual cars were Tony's when Danica is in the 10. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
The infobox photo shows her wearing very dark sunglasses. This makes it a bad picture for the infobox especially since those sunglasses are not a trademark look for her, unlike Roy Orbison. Auchansa ( talk) 03:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I copy edited this section. -- Malerooster ( talk) 04:11, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
"Robby Gordon has claimed that Patrick's comparatively low body weight constitutes unfair competition due to the inverse proportionality of the combined mass of a car and its driver, and its maximum velocity."
This is an incredibly pretentious way of writing "Lighter cars go faster". I suggest editing to "...due to the advantage given in maximum speed".
"However, the body weight of male drivers have the higher muscle mass, which is a key component in distance and endurance"
This is just bad English - delete "the" please.
Cannot do myself as article has been locked to editing. -- 31.51.157.227 ( talk) 08:22, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Is User:The Bushranger at any point going to attempt to justify presenting "model and advertising spokeswoman" as if they are equal in importance to her being a racing driver, or is he just going to continue adding this text without justification? 200.30.223.19 ( talk) 03:16, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
The "personal life" section included the solo line "....does CrossFit to help stay in shape." In the context of a bio of a living person this is basically spam - no better than mentioning any other product she prefers. Unless it in some way can be linked to her success (and that would be dubious) it ought to be removed, and I am doing so. I have added this "talk" section as justification and a place to have further discussion, if needed. Arbalest Mike ( talk) 22:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
The Indycar part of the infobox says her best finish was 5th, yet it also says she won a race. That's confusing or wrong. Either way, can it be fixed? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 15:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Looking at Juan Pablo Montoya's infobox, the Formula 1 section is much easier to understand (in the light of this discussion) than the American racing series - it's unambiguous. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 16:20, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
The Patrick surname is Scottish in origin, and was brought to Ireland via Scotland in the 17th Century (plantation period). Jonathan f1 ( talk) 20:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
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Your own stats show that her best finish in the CUP series was 24th twice. Therefore she has 0 top 10's like all other women in Nascar. 74.123.17.218 ( talk) 16:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)