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The section on criticisms is sourced mainly with information that is Soviet backed, and Polish Satallite State propoganda. As such it has no basis in Fact and must be dismissed DESPITE what certain Communist and Socialist editors on this site would believe.
The editors are to be commended. While I do not have Polish languaage skills to verify the references, I thouht the article was well written (and well translated). It dealt with what is clearly a touchy subject while retaining NPOV.
I did some very light copyediting to make date formats consistent, add some definitive articles that seemed to be missing, replace the abbreviation ps. with pseudonym, eliminate a few run-on sentences, and make all spellings American English (there were only a few thaat were British, such as realised, while the rest were American). Twisted86 05:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, the reasons why I failed it:
Most of this page is based on and article in a Polish newspaper. Do we know anything about the author of this newspaper article and his credentials of historian? -- Irpen 05:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Lot's of water and no answer. Let me repeat the question then. Is he a historian? -- Irpen 19:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
All right, so now without answering a question I did not ask (we will get to that later) I repeat. Is he a historian? -- Irpen 20:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Please stop disrupting the integrity of an encyclopedia through writing articles about hisotry referenced to newspapers. Since you refuse to correct, the article tagged. -- Irpen 08:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Icorrect, no policies were clearly cited and invited editors were split on the issue whether newspaper writings by an author with no credentials in history can are reliable. Not only the source is unreliable, but the entire article is based on a single (and unacceptable) source. I will mark it as such as well. Instead of revert warring, I suggest you improve the article and its sourcing. -- Irpen 18:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
IMHO mayby good alternative would be Polish post war world II anti-comunist guerillas or something like that. Radomil talk 08:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
If the current title, "Cursed soldiers", is to be kept, it should be cast in good English: "Accursed soldiers", as the soldiers were the objects of the curse or curses. Has anyone the ability to change the title to proper English? Firstorm ( talk) 15:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
To what extent does the term outlaw have the right connotations? Jackiespeel ( talk) 14:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
I am a PL o EN translator and I don't believe there is a term in EN that conveys the exact meaning of the PL "wyklęci". One can resort to the terms like "anathemised" or similar, but this sounds quite Baroque. As close equivalents in meaning, if not literal translations, I suggest "banished" or "proscribed" soldiers? Both terms convey condemnation, denunciation and exclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.43.52 ( talk), ISP: Netia SA, Poland (Mazowieckie), Warsaw; 01:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Yo. How about "Forsaken"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.73.82.134 ( talk) 22:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
It would be nice if someone would translate the abbreviations of army rank in the list from Polish to English. Thanks Hmains ( talk) 22:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate that the background to this story could go back centuries, but I felt that it would benefit readers to know about events from 17 Sept 1939 onwards. I think we could give an account of how the Soviet Union suddenly invaded and annexed eastern Poland in September 1939 whilst Poland was fighting the Third Reich. A link to the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland would help, with a brief synopsis of the Soviet ocupation of eastern Poland until the Third Reich went to war with the Soviets in June 1941; I think it will add understanding if we mention that the Soviet invasion and repression had added to antagonism between Poles and the USSR, and the resistance offered by AK and others to the Lublin poles from 1944 onwards had its roots in this previous invasion and repression.
I'm happy to create an extra paragraph along these lines but don't want to amend someone else's work without discussing it first Any thoughts? Mungo Shuntbox ( talk) 12:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Literally no mention of their crimes comitted on Ukrainians (Wierzchowiny) and Leftis anti-German movements. The article is very one sided, as if it was written by a Polish right-wing historian.
5.172.252.171 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:51, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I've added a missing ref, and I think this article passes B-class criteria. As a major contributor, I'll ask for another review (from the MILHIST project), and till then, the WP:POLAND assessment will match MILHIST. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 23:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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Let's discuss the sources used here. In particular, let's discuss the Jan Tomasz Gross source and possible charges of antisemitism. Please. — Javert2113 ( talk) 16:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Oh, lest I forget: @ Kleuske, 2602:306:8389:4120:3C38:D701:3A6E:B5A0, and Arjayay:. Sorry to drag you all into this. — Javert2113 ( talk) 16:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Soviet backed propoganda sources that were used at the time to smear anti communist resistance. The satallite state were routinely executing polish officers who fought in the war and were as well smearing any group that would speak out against their glorious revoloution, a revolution which helped the nazis invade in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:3C38:D701:3A6E:B5A0 ( talk) 16:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Instytut Pamięci narodowej published materials on Dubingai Massacre (victims include small children) commited by group of Szendzielarz "Łupaszko" and on numerous murders of group of Rajs "Bury". I'm quiet surprised you are not aware of them and are proposing removal. We can probably even add Kuraś "Ogień" to that group because of his Jewish and Slovak victims. Is Insytut Pamięci Narodowej realiable for you? (+ +)MagicalFaces(+ +) ( talk) 23:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the unsourced text. The mentioned book was a Communist propaganda tool. The context should be explained. Xx236 ( talk) 08:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Not a native English speaker--but is "pacification" a good phrasing in the last section? Almost 600 people were (probably) massacred, "pacification" sounds like whitewashing. -- Kraligor ( talk) 11:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Please change the spelling of Belarusan
to Belarusian
. The spelling "Belarusan" is outdated, to my knowledge. It yields 541,000 results on Google, while Belarusian gets 34,400,000 results. The
Oxford and
Cambridge dictionaries both use "Belarusian", and Belarusians themselves also use "Belarusian", not "Belarusan", e.g., the English website of the
Belarusian State University.
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The section on criticisms is sourced mainly with information that is Soviet backed, and Polish Satallite State propoganda. As such it has no basis in Fact and must be dismissed DESPITE what certain Communist and Socialist editors on this site would believe.
The editors are to be commended. While I do not have Polish languaage skills to verify the references, I thouht the article was well written (and well translated). It dealt with what is clearly a touchy subject while retaining NPOV.
I did some very light copyediting to make date formats consistent, add some definitive articles that seemed to be missing, replace the abbreviation ps. with pseudonym, eliminate a few run-on sentences, and make all spellings American English (there were only a few thaat were British, such as realised, while the rest were American). Twisted86 05:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, the reasons why I failed it:
Most of this page is based on and article in a Polish newspaper. Do we know anything about the author of this newspaper article and his credentials of historian? -- Irpen 05:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Lot's of water and no answer. Let me repeat the question then. Is he a historian? -- Irpen 19:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
All right, so now without answering a question I did not ask (we will get to that later) I repeat. Is he a historian? -- Irpen 20:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Please stop disrupting the integrity of an encyclopedia through writing articles about hisotry referenced to newspapers. Since you refuse to correct, the article tagged. -- Irpen 08:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Icorrect, no policies were clearly cited and invited editors were split on the issue whether newspaper writings by an author with no credentials in history can are reliable. Not only the source is unreliable, but the entire article is based on a single (and unacceptable) source. I will mark it as such as well. Instead of revert warring, I suggest you improve the article and its sourcing. -- Irpen 18:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
IMHO mayby good alternative would be Polish post war world II anti-comunist guerillas or something like that. Radomil talk 08:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
If the current title, "Cursed soldiers", is to be kept, it should be cast in good English: "Accursed soldiers", as the soldiers were the objects of the curse or curses. Has anyone the ability to change the title to proper English? Firstorm ( talk) 15:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
To what extent does the term outlaw have the right connotations? Jackiespeel ( talk) 14:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
I am a PL o EN translator and I don't believe there is a term in EN that conveys the exact meaning of the PL "wyklęci". One can resort to the terms like "anathemised" or similar, but this sounds quite Baroque. As close equivalents in meaning, if not literal translations, I suggest "banished" or "proscribed" soldiers? Both terms convey condemnation, denunciation and exclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.43.52 ( talk), ISP: Netia SA, Poland (Mazowieckie), Warsaw; 01:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Yo. How about "Forsaken"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.73.82.134 ( talk) 22:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
It would be nice if someone would translate the abbreviations of army rank in the list from Polish to English. Thanks Hmains ( talk) 22:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate that the background to this story could go back centuries, but I felt that it would benefit readers to know about events from 17 Sept 1939 onwards. I think we could give an account of how the Soviet Union suddenly invaded and annexed eastern Poland in September 1939 whilst Poland was fighting the Third Reich. A link to the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland would help, with a brief synopsis of the Soviet ocupation of eastern Poland until the Third Reich went to war with the Soviets in June 1941; I think it will add understanding if we mention that the Soviet invasion and repression had added to antagonism between Poles and the USSR, and the resistance offered by AK and others to the Lublin poles from 1944 onwards had its roots in this previous invasion and repression.
I'm happy to create an extra paragraph along these lines but don't want to amend someone else's work without discussing it first Any thoughts? Mungo Shuntbox ( talk) 12:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Literally no mention of their crimes comitted on Ukrainians (Wierzchowiny) and Leftis anti-German movements. The article is very one sided, as if it was written by a Polish right-wing historian.
5.172.252.171 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:51, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I've added a missing ref, and I think this article passes B-class criteria. As a major contributor, I'll ask for another review (from the MILHIST project), and till then, the WP:POLAND assessment will match MILHIST. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 23:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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Let's discuss the sources used here. In particular, let's discuss the Jan Tomasz Gross source and possible charges of antisemitism. Please. — Javert2113 ( talk) 16:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Oh, lest I forget: @ Kleuske, 2602:306:8389:4120:3C38:D701:3A6E:B5A0, and Arjayay:. Sorry to drag you all into this. — Javert2113 ( talk) 16:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Soviet backed propoganda sources that were used at the time to smear anti communist resistance. The satallite state were routinely executing polish officers who fought in the war and were as well smearing any group that would speak out against their glorious revoloution, a revolution which helped the nazis invade in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:3C38:D701:3A6E:B5A0 ( talk) 16:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Instytut Pamięci narodowej published materials on Dubingai Massacre (victims include small children) commited by group of Szendzielarz "Łupaszko" and on numerous murders of group of Rajs "Bury". I'm quiet surprised you are not aware of them and are proposing removal. We can probably even add Kuraś "Ogień" to that group because of his Jewish and Slovak victims. Is Insytut Pamięci Narodowej realiable for you? (+ +)MagicalFaces(+ +) ( talk) 23:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the unsourced text. The mentioned book was a Communist propaganda tool. The context should be explained. Xx236 ( talk) 08:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Not a native English speaker--but is "pacification" a good phrasing in the last section? Almost 600 people were (probably) massacred, "pacification" sounds like whitewashing. -- Kraligor ( talk) 11:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Please change the spelling of Belarusan
to Belarusian
. The spelling "Belarusan" is outdated, to my knowledge. It yields 541,000 results on Google, while Belarusian gets 34,400,000 results. The
Oxford and
Cambridge dictionaries both use "Belarusian", and Belarusians themselves also use "Belarusian", not "Belarusan", e.g., the English website of the
Belarusian State University.
Nakonana (
talk) 09:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)