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@ Marc Lacoste and I are having a bit of a disagreement about the including the conversion of nautical miles to statute miles in addition to kilometers.
Example of how I would like show the conversions: 4,620 nautical miles (5,320 mi; 8,560 km)
Example of how Marc prefers the conversions to be shown: 4,620 nautical miles (8,560 km)
Here's the way I see it...
Marc pointed me to a prior conversation at Talk:Airbus A350#Units where a similar, but not identical discussion took place. In that case, there was a discussion if nautical miles or kilometers should be the primary unit. I fully agree that nautical miles is the proper primary unit. There was a secondary discussion if the double conversion should be included. After reading over that discussion, in my opinion, most of the users disagreed with Marc's assertion that including (statute) miles was overly exhaustive and impacted readability.
-- RickyCourtney ( talk) 16:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
{{Convert|4640|nmi}}
→ 4,640 nautical miles (8,590 km; 5,340 mi)no need to add statute miles to aviation articles. So far, you're the only one to support nmi+mi+km conversions. I'm not sure another people want to continue this discussion, which is long enough already for a minor subject. I'm not sure the FA review has a guideline for aviation units conversions, it's very specific, and the default output of the convert template is not a guideline either.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 11:59, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Where in the instructions for Template:Aircraft specs does it say that it is intended only for WWII aircraft or that it’s not intended modern airliners?-- RickyCourtney ( talk) 05:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Wiki currently states (citing facebook -not an ideal source in my opinion) that the last plane went out in 2022.
However in todays new york times it states the last plane is being handed to customers today, 2023/01/31. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/business/last-boeing-747-plane.html
Should we adjust this, or is the last production date based on some assembly step, rather than delivery? 67.185.97.54 ( talk) 17:07, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree it needed more clarity. Boeing doesn’t remove it from the order book until the operator takes possession of the plane (which is also when Boeing gets paid) and that’s generally been how we account for these things. RickyCourtney ( talk) 18:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
You’re splitting hairs, Marc. Even though the plane rolled off the manufacturing line in 2022, it was not yet a finished product ready for delivery, therefore I think it’s still appropriate to say it was in production. RickyCourtney ( talk) 16:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Do we still agree that the end of production is 2023? The date was changed to 2022 in the infobox (but not the rest of the article) a few weeks ago. Not sure if the change went un-noticed or if we think 2022 is the right date.-- McSly ( talk) 20:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
On Tuesday, Boeing handed over the last 747. Not "produced" but "handed over", or delivered.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 15:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
There is another solution that we haven't mentioned here before: We include both years, as we have reliable sources for both, either in the infobox, or the other year as a footnote. That way were not straying into OR based on personal experience or other synthesis. As I did state before, it's unfortunate for us that Boeing didn't deliver the aircraft in the same year that it left the factory. I think we should put "2022" in the infobox, but explain that the aircraft was delivered in 2023, but we could do the reverse too. We could also put "2022/23" in the infobox, and explain it in a footnote. BilCat ( talk) 20:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
What no gallery of pictures of the inside of a 747. No pictures of rare designs of 747s. 116.68.21.216 ( talk) 00:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
I personally think a photo of a Pan Am plane is worse, I like the Iberia one better. Change it! Jayiscool1999 ( talk) 14:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the 747 production ended in December, 2022 but in the page it says, "...manufactured by Boeing Commercial Airplanes in the United States between 1968 and 2023" in the first paragraph. It also says it in the chart. Produced: 1968-2023. We should change it to 2022. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine ( talk) 04:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Please do not undo Mybirthday647 ( talk) 21:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Lufthansa Flight 540 was the first fatal crash of a 747. On November 20, 1974, it stalled and crashed moments after taking off from Nairobi, with 59 deaths and 98 survivors. The cause was an error by the flight engineer in combination with a lack of a sufficient warning system.
174.27.73.201 ( talk) 00:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
There's an article that has been created based on the first Boeing 747. So I would suggest we insert links to the N7470 in the preservation section or however you call it. 14.2.34.249 ( talk) 02:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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To add links to the City of Everett aircraft. 14.200.225.254 ( talk) 08:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Greetings from fellow Wikipedian BuddyHeigh! A problem about the last operator of the 747-200. Yes, it is true that Iran Air was the last commercial operator of the 747-200. But Kabo Air, the Nigerian airline that ceased operations on commercial passenger flights and continues operations on charter passenger flights and Hajj Flights, operates one Boeing 747-200, 5N-MAD, but it is stored for maintenance. If any Wikipedian finds this information useful, please change the information about the operations of the 747-200. Thanks! BuddyHeigh, A Wikipedian at Wikipedia BuddyHeigh ( talk) 14:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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@ Marc Lacoste and I are having a bit of a disagreement about the including the conversion of nautical miles to statute miles in addition to kilometers.
Example of how I would like show the conversions: 4,620 nautical miles (5,320 mi; 8,560 km)
Example of how Marc prefers the conversions to be shown: 4,620 nautical miles (8,560 km)
Here's the way I see it...
Marc pointed me to a prior conversation at Talk:Airbus A350#Units where a similar, but not identical discussion took place. In that case, there was a discussion if nautical miles or kilometers should be the primary unit. I fully agree that nautical miles is the proper primary unit. There was a secondary discussion if the double conversion should be included. After reading over that discussion, in my opinion, most of the users disagreed with Marc's assertion that including (statute) miles was overly exhaustive and impacted readability.
-- RickyCourtney ( talk) 16:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
{{Convert|4640|nmi}}
→ 4,640 nautical miles (8,590 km; 5,340 mi)no need to add statute miles to aviation articles. So far, you're the only one to support nmi+mi+km conversions. I'm not sure another people want to continue this discussion, which is long enough already for a minor subject. I'm not sure the FA review has a guideline for aviation units conversions, it's very specific, and the default output of the convert template is not a guideline either.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 11:59, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Where in the instructions for Template:Aircraft specs does it say that it is intended only for WWII aircraft or that it’s not intended modern airliners?-- RickyCourtney ( talk) 05:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Wiki currently states (citing facebook -not an ideal source in my opinion) that the last plane went out in 2022.
However in todays new york times it states the last plane is being handed to customers today, 2023/01/31. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/business/last-boeing-747-plane.html
Should we adjust this, or is the last production date based on some assembly step, rather than delivery? 67.185.97.54 ( talk) 17:07, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree it needed more clarity. Boeing doesn’t remove it from the order book until the operator takes possession of the plane (which is also when Boeing gets paid) and that’s generally been how we account for these things. RickyCourtney ( talk) 18:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
You’re splitting hairs, Marc. Even though the plane rolled off the manufacturing line in 2022, it was not yet a finished product ready for delivery, therefore I think it’s still appropriate to say it was in production. RickyCourtney ( talk) 16:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Do we still agree that the end of production is 2023? The date was changed to 2022 in the infobox (but not the rest of the article) a few weeks ago. Not sure if the change went un-noticed or if we think 2022 is the right date.-- McSly ( talk) 20:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
On Tuesday, Boeing handed over the last 747. Not "produced" but "handed over", or delivered.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 15:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
There is another solution that we haven't mentioned here before: We include both years, as we have reliable sources for both, either in the infobox, or the other year as a footnote. That way were not straying into OR based on personal experience or other synthesis. As I did state before, it's unfortunate for us that Boeing didn't deliver the aircraft in the same year that it left the factory. I think we should put "2022" in the infobox, but explain that the aircraft was delivered in 2023, but we could do the reverse too. We could also put "2022/23" in the infobox, and explain it in a footnote. BilCat ( talk) 20:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
What no gallery of pictures of the inside of a 747. No pictures of rare designs of 747s. 116.68.21.216 ( talk) 00:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
I personally think a photo of a Pan Am plane is worse, I like the Iberia one better. Change it! Jayiscool1999 ( talk) 14:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the 747 production ended in December, 2022 but in the page it says, "...manufactured by Boeing Commercial Airplanes in the United States between 1968 and 2023" in the first paragraph. It also says it in the chart. Produced: 1968-2023. We should change it to 2022. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine ( talk) 04:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Please do not undo Mybirthday647 ( talk) 21:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Lufthansa Flight 540 was the first fatal crash of a 747. On November 20, 1974, it stalled and crashed moments after taking off from Nairobi, with 59 deaths and 98 survivors. The cause was an error by the flight engineer in combination with a lack of a sufficient warning system.
174.27.73.201 ( talk) 00:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
There's an article that has been created based on the first Boeing 747. So I would suggest we insert links to the N7470 in the preservation section or however you call it. 14.2.34.249 ( talk) 02:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
To add links to the City of Everett aircraft. 14.200.225.254 ( talk) 08:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Greetings from fellow Wikipedian BuddyHeigh! A problem about the last operator of the 747-200. Yes, it is true that Iran Air was the last commercial operator of the 747-200. But Kabo Air, the Nigerian airline that ceased operations on commercial passenger flights and continues operations on charter passenger flights and Hajj Flights, operates one Boeing 747-200, 5N-MAD, but it is stored for maintenance. If any Wikipedian finds this information useful, please change the information about the operations of the 747-200. Thanks! BuddyHeigh, A Wikipedian at Wikipedia BuddyHeigh ( talk) 14:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)