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See discussion Talk Great Expectations and Project Novels. I suggest modifying the guideline for characters to read as follows:
I suggested this here [1] but just to check. I'd like to change the section on publication date to read:
The novel's earliest release, or publication in book form; if it was previously serialized, do not give the date of serialization. If not formally published, use the date written; this would be highly unusual for writing of notability.
CohenTheBohemian ( talk) 04:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
The pages count for books, at the moment, is a near-useless way to gauge how long a book is, as pages aren't standardized and can have different amount of words depending on the text size. Dune (novel) for instance, is listed as having 896 pages, and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is listed as being 766 pages. This is in contrary to the fact that Dune is actually a shorter work of fiction, being 187,240 words while the Harry Potter book is 257,154 words.
I will make the argument here that there exists no encyclopedic value for how much pages the first edition of a book has, and thus should be mass-removed from all pages about novels. After all, the page counts for novels vary widely depending on the edition, and for books like Dune or The Lord of the Rings which get reprinted dozens of times in different formats, it can vary by hundreds of pages. However, there does exist encyclopedic value in the word count for the first edition of novels, as this isn't bound to font sizes and usually only changes if the author makes edits or changes to the content of the novel themselves.
Functionally speaking, this will entail adding a new "word count" parameter for the Books infobox. Pages should only be used as a parameter for mediums like comic books, which are usually standardized to appear the same way no matter the edition. Of course, all novel pages as they exist right now will have to be changed to remove page counts and introduce word counts, but I believe this will be useful for readers and introduce more encyclopedic value to the Wiki. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 21:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Novels Project‑class | |||||||
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This page has archives. Sections older than 60 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 3 sections are present. |
See discussion Talk Great Expectations and Project Novels. I suggest modifying the guideline for characters to read as follows:
I suggested this here [1] but just to check. I'd like to change the section on publication date to read:
The novel's earliest release, or publication in book form; if it was previously serialized, do not give the date of serialization. If not formally published, use the date written; this would be highly unusual for writing of notability.
CohenTheBohemian ( talk) 04:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
The pages count for books, at the moment, is a near-useless way to gauge how long a book is, as pages aren't standardized and can have different amount of words depending on the text size. Dune (novel) for instance, is listed as having 896 pages, and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is listed as being 766 pages. This is in contrary to the fact that Dune is actually a shorter work of fiction, being 187,240 words while the Harry Potter book is 257,154 words.
I will make the argument here that there exists no encyclopedic value for how much pages the first edition of a book has, and thus should be mass-removed from all pages about novels. After all, the page counts for novels vary widely depending on the edition, and for books like Dune or The Lord of the Rings which get reprinted dozens of times in different formats, it can vary by hundreds of pages. However, there does exist encyclopedic value in the word count for the first edition of novels, as this isn't bound to font sizes and usually only changes if the author makes edits or changes to the content of the novel themselves.
Functionally speaking, this will entail adding a new "word count" parameter for the Books infobox. Pages should only be used as a parameter for mediums like comic books, which are usually standardized to appear the same way no matter the edition. Of course, all novel pages as they exist right now will have to be changed to remove page counts and introduce word counts, but I believe this will be useful for readers and introduce more encyclopedic value to the Wiki. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 21:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)