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The SPI status colors have indeed changed.
Asartea made
an edit request to change {{
SPI case status}} to use consistently WCAG AA Normal or better color contrast (
MOS:COLOR).
Firefly found a way to keep moreinfo
eye-catching while keeping it in the same color range as before, but there wasn't really any way to do that for administrator
, so that's been changed from a noncompliant bright orange to a compliant bright green (rather than a compliant dull orange). For consistency's sake, I made a matching change to {{
SPIstatusentry/color}}, the template that is called on the SPI list. I welcome any feedback. --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 05:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
CUrequest
, moreinfo
, admin
, and clerk
are the four most eye-catching categories, and it doesn't look like there's a way to do that with orange in an a11y-compliant fashion. Thing is, all the main parts of the color wheel are already taken for something: yellow for CU, blue(ish) for endorse, red/pink for open and declined, dull green for checked, purple/magenta for hold and more info, reddish for clerk. So the way I see it:
checked
to a dull orange. Which might actually be a good idea, in terms of the psychology of color: I feel like sometimes the checked queue gets negelected despite often containing fairly time-sensitive cases.{{SPI case status|clerk}}
because its accessible against black, but I just realised when it gets used in the table it is of course used against links. --
Asartea
Talk |
Contribs 16:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)#F9AC71
for ADMIN and #FF8E7A
for CLERK.) --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 06:37, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
{{long rant about accessibility, the need for it to be a policy etc here}}
--
Asartea
Talk |
Contribs 16:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)First may I offer congratulations to all of you who have worked so hard to reduce the backlog.
I have an observation which may not be borne out by real life. When CU is requested a new investigation is almost always handled comparative quickly. When not requested it can feel to someone not intimately involved with the SPI process that it is treated as less urgent.
This may be because there are more non CU requests than there are CU requests, and I accept this may be a result of the human frailty of seeing patterns where none exist. The purpose of this post is to alert you very busy SPI folks of my perception.
I hasten to add that I am not complaining. I also subscribe to the view that there is never a need to rush on Wikipedia. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:41, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:SPI report § Proposed change to sock list. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 04:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
While I was at WP:PERM, something clicked me. That if someone changes their username after a SPI case had been filed against them, the SPI link at {{ rfplinks}} would *probably* show up as a red-link, making this Template useless. Can someone more knowledgeable confirm this? And if this is true, we should fix it so that a username change automatically creates a redirect from the new username SPI page to the old one where a case was actually filed. --- CX Zoom(he/him) ( let's talk| contribs) 06:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
but I seem to have ballsed up this shiney new report somehow, and can't work out the code to fix it. The loading form froze at one point, so it was probably something to do with that; unfortunately, I didn't notice. D'oh! SN54129 20:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
How do you combine investigations? User:Lieutenant of Melkor and User:Guardian of the Rings are the same account (renamed in 2014) but I don't think anyone has realized until now that we have sock investigations under both names which do not reference each other. Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 17:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
importScript('User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js');
—which is totally fine and functional, if this is the version you prefer. However, GeneralNotability has been maintaining
an updated version of the script that has a bunch of new features, including automated merging. It can be installed by replacing importScript('User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js');
with importScript( 'User:GeneralNotability/spihelper.js' );
.
Mz7 (
talk) 01:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I've reported a good number of socks over the years. I'm an admin but don't work in this area. I've identified an IP user as a sock without any doubt (edit same articles; restored 32k of text removed in 2019 as a result of a sockpuppet investigation). What do I have to do? Do I need to open an investigation or can I just go ahead, block the IP, and add the IP address to the list of previously identified socks? A sock would usually be blocked indefinitely, but I believe that's no longer possible for IP addresses. So do I go for the maximum length of time or are there options to permanently block an IP? Schwede 66 08:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I recently created a template that can be used to mark votes/comments cast by sockpuppets. The template is {{ Sock vote}}. I didn't spent a lot of time to create this and it may require some modification. Please feel free to review and modify the template as appropriate and then use it! Thanks! --- CX Zoom(he/him) ( let's talk| contribs) 16:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
So, I got a hunch that a number of accounts (Saurabh darade 1998, Shivadikarshreyash73, RudrakshaVaity, Navneet77, Kalpana234, Mdshayansiddiqui3, Aru Jaiswar, Mitul46, Ajayso.wp) are sockpuppets of User:Deep. 123456 based on their userpages/sandboxes but they are all inactive for several years. Is it still worth reporting them? Asking because several userpages were just tagged as U5 speedy deletion and thus showed up on the speedy deletion queue, and when checking I noticed a pattern. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
From what I've seen in edit histories, the case page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dealer07 has an earlier username involved, and should be moved to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Eurofan2000. Both Eurofan2000 and Dealer07 behaved the same as Greek IPs pursuing edit-warring behavior, and both were intensely interested in Greek/Albanian/Macedonian nationalities, with the intent to diminish non-Greek connections. They were also trying to weaken the UK by dividing "British" descriptions into English, Scottish, etc. Below I've listed the named accounts that I have seen. A massive number of Greek IPs is also part of this case. Binksternet ( talk) 01:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Since Amalthea (bot) ( talk · contribs) has been down since August 2021, my bot Mz7 (bot) ( talk · contribs) has been updating User:Mz7/SPI case list to serve the SPI case list that you see on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. I've now WP:BOLDly updated my bot such that it will now update the page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Cases instead of my userspace. I've redirected my old userspace title to point to the new location. I chose this new name instead of the former Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cases/Overview, as if Amalthea's bot ever comes back up, I don't want to clash with their bot. The format "Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/___" also aligns with other information pages relating to the clerk team. I do not foresee any complications arising from this change, but please let me know if I have indeed messed anything up. Thanks, Mz7 ( talk) 00:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
A relatively new user who is not an admin or clerk has tagged the user and user talk pages of socks. Not sure if this is allowed (or what to do if not) so I figured I'd bring it to your attention here. Nardog ( talk) 03:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Recently I found a phrase "Infinite torque at zero rpm" on an article. Such thing does not really exist, except in Wikipedia. I did further investigation, and here is what I found:
I found that suspicious. ⸻ Nikolas Ojala ( talk) 09:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Would an SPI clerk or better please review the new LTA subpage nominations at MfD? SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
I have almost no experience with SPI, so please bear with me if this is a dumb question. I've recently reported a new suspected sock into an old existing case - will it autopopulate into the big table on the main SPI page, or since it's an old SPI will I need to make some sort of additional action to bring attention to it? Hog Farm Talk 01:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
{{
SPI case status}}
or other important elements are missing. If a case hasn't shown up for a while, please post here so we can either fix the filing or annoy the
bot operator with a million pings. --
Blablubbs (
talk) 08:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)It seems to be stopping Twinkle from showing up on new user talk pages that haven't been created yet. Doug Weller talk 16:31, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Sorry SPI. I filed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ArsenalAtletico2007 in the wrong place, having mistyped the user's name? Should I refile at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ArsenalAtletico2017 or is it better for someone to move it? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 13:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi @ Jezebel's Ponyo, Blablubbs, Cabayi, and Bbb23:, Would you please check this SPI case Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nepalaya001? Fade258 ( talk) 09:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
I have added two IP suspected sockpuppets of indeffed user Moka Mo /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Moka_Mo. I believe I somehow screwed up the latest case as filing date shows unknown. Regards, Aloha27 talk 12:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
They all fall onto the shoulders of a very select few, and I'm not at all sure how you manage without burnout. One thing I notice often is that the non CU request queue seems to get less of your attention, perhaps because it's lower down the list. Or is my perception incorrect? Oughtn't Duck cases to be somehow simpler, fewer folk involved?
I'm not "pushing" for anything except equality. There's no deadline for anything because those with the rights can correct many issues at a few keystrokes. I'm honestly not complaining. I think there need to be more of you guys. But that's true of all specialist areas of WP. So what is the real answer? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:09, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello,
I've just noticed that the button for submitting a report seems to have broken for IP editors. The button should only direct you to the talk page if you are opening a brand new investigation and need to create a new page, if you are adding a new section to an existing report then you can edit the page directly. I seem to remember that there used to be two boxes you could use which covered both possibilities? 192.76.8.78 ( talk) 13:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
;)
--
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 14:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Due to a copy-paste error, I've just created a new case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ Honest Yusuf Cricket instead of adding it to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Honest Yusuf Cricket. I hope someone can clean up after me; very sorry for the trouble! -- JBL ( talk) 19:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
:)
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Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 19:14, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
I realize of course that there's a huge backlog, but Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ZemenfesKidus has been open for more than three weeks now, and though one of the IP ranges has been blocked by Drmies after 500 or more block-evading edits, the account listed ( BeteAmora ( talk · contribs)) has made more than 600 edits and is still going strong. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 11:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Not sure what to do with this. A new article Tylerbrizyy (musician) has been created, and it looks like a recreation of something deleted earlier after this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tylerbrizyy (hence I've requested speedy on it). At the AfD it was mentioned that its creator Tylerbrizyy was blocked as a puppeteer, and David DXL was also mentioned. This new article has been created by the latter, now twice. I haven't filed a formal case as I don't know if this is enough of a reason to, but I reckon something's ducky here. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 13:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
:)
firefly (
t ·
c ) 13:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, SPI folks,
I've probably created a dozen SPI reports since I started editing here regularly and today when I did this, the "submit" won't go through. It kept bringing me back to an editing screen with no explanation of what the problem could be. I've gone through this now three times in case I was inputting the information incorrectly but I get the same response each time. Any advice? Liz Read! Talk! 02:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Why? Doug Weller talk 11:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:P
)
firefly (
t ·
c ) 09:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
I've seen a few SPI fillings that link to mobile diffs, and would a bot task to change to desktop diffs be useful? 0x Deadbeef 05:34, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingie11 →
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingie11
Instructions weren't clear whether an explicit request was needed, making one just to be safe. Thanks,
2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (
talk) 21:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
:)
--
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 04:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)I've recently started becoming slightly active here at SPI, and noticed some peculiarities regarding how the backlog works here. Firstly, the list of unarchived closed cases seems to be well over 100 cases long, and includes cases that haven't been modified in nearly a month. I assume that every once in a while, a clerk begrudgingly does the tedious work of archiving these cases and clears out the list periodically. Is archiving closed cases a sufficiently straightforward and clear-cut task that we might recruit the help of a bot to do it? Or is it something that requires subjective evaluation by a human or complex decision-making?
Secondly, I've noticed that the list of "open" cases contains a relatively large number of stale cases that have never had any edits made to them since they were originally created, with the list similarly stretching nearly a month back. Maybe they're just uninteresting cases. Maybe the requester gave very little info and therefore a lot of digging would be required by anyone that tries to handle the case. Or perhaps there just aren't enough people working at SPI to handle all the incoming cases. Anyway, I'm wondering what eventually happens to these stale cases? Is there a time limit after which they're just closed without comment? Or do all cases eventually get some kind of response from a clerk/admin/CU? —ScottyWong— 15:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
There's a discussion happening at Wikipedia talk:Edit warring#Reverting actions performed by banned users in violation of a ban, and sockpuppets or meatpuppets of banned or blocked users., and input from people experienced in anti-sockpuppetry work would be appreciated. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 14:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
I have recently been having an exchange with Somebody040404 in relation to a minor content dispute at Languages of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. A new user called JustSomeone08 had now made exactly the same disputed edit with an edit summary which is almost verbatim what the other user added a few days earlier entirely separately on my talk page. There is also an obvious similarity of usernames. I see that the two users also edit the same other articles ( 1 2) on Congolese languages, often on the same days, sometimes only hours apart.
Although it is perhaps also unfair to raise this allegation, I also wonder whether the single-use account TSHepo050302 is another sock of the same user given the similar edit history and naming format but I apologise sincerely if this is not the case.
I am not familiar with the processes in this area. Could someone let me know what is necessary to take it forward?— Brigade Piron ( talk) 20:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
FYI Template:SPI ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion at TfD -- 64.229.88.43 ( talk) 05:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
At Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Orca Vision Inc., an IP had misindentified the SPI page as protected and added an {{ edit semi-protected}} SPI request. Requesting a CU/clerk to merge the talk page with the actual SPI page. Thanks! — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • { C• X}) 08:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
From those of you with more experience at this, what do you do if you think you've spotted someone you recognize, but it's *way* too early to have substantive evidence yet. For example, this editor only registered hours ago and they have eight total edits, but they immediately reminded me of Hopelesswiki. Now what? Mathglot ( talk) 03:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I have a question. A throw-away account was created to commit one act of vandalism, which it did, and has been blocked. Is there a way to request that CheckUser determine who the sockmaster is? It was clearly a throw-away account created by a person who used it for a bad joke. If I had reason other than idle suspicion to guess who else had used that IP address during that time window, I could submit an SPI request, but I only know of one address, so I can't specify who else to check. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:51, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I think I've found another potential sock of Jurrasic kid ( User:2019Rocks), but I can't find any previous cases involving them (Jurrasic kid) in the archives and I don't want to file it under the wrong name. Would it even be worth it to start an investigation, since 2019Rocks already blocked?
Asparagusus (interaction) 22:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Isuzu.tf was created incorrectly and I cannot close it. Can someone check? The IP who created it was spot on, unfortunately the report didn't transclude to the open SPI list and the sock ran amok for a several weeks .-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Asking for some guidance on somewhat speculative reporting. I've just come across two drafts at AfC, Draft:Nuvoco Vistas and Draft:Akhil Talreja, which were created by new users. Both articles (by which I mean, articles on these topics, not necessarily identical in content) have previously been created by socks. If I can't find any other connection to the earlier socks (ie. no similarity in eg. usernames), is the mere recreation of an article previously associated with socking enough of a reason to report to SPI? In other words, is it better to report 'just in case', or not to bother you guys without more evidence? Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
I know that you don't usually connect IPs to accounts, but what are we supposed to do when we have good reasons to believe that someone is IP socking? Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 23:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
I would like to know whether it is technically possible to perform an investigation between two users editing from two different countries. The reason why I ask this is because an admin of the Italian Wikipedia called Ignis claims that user Jacquesparker0 may have engaged in "POV pushing" on their project using my IP address just because we edited the same article about Margaret Singer. They seem to think that I'm a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of him. Of course I am not as I edit from Italy, which you can easily verify, but Ignis is absolutely convinced I am. Here you can find the discussion. I'd be happy if you could clarify the point. Thanks. 151.31.243.65 ( talk) 15:38, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
There is one SPI for this sockmaster ( Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Anglo Pyramidologist) resulting from a series of merges but four sock categories:
Should these be merged? I'm asking for the purposes of determining the scope of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/GreenUniverse - which users should be added? MER-C 13:49, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
This quick case is open. |
This user nominated an article from a popular profile, calling it clear propaganda. This leads to suspicion that this is a mother's account with a complete lack of information. Either the blind is shooting arrows in the dark. Thailandhindi ( talk) 02:27, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
See
I maintain that MfD is an incompetent forum for authorising the deletion of LTA and SPI subpages without the involvement of an SPI clerk or checkuser.
I don’t think it is wise to allow random editors to blank LTA subpages. Precedent may be set by experienced users and admins that opens the door to others doing selective blanking for nefarious reasons. There should be some rule, and I suggest the rule that clerking of LTA be limited to SPI clerks. Alongside, I suggest serious consideration of the blanking of all LTA subpages, due to it containing more problems than useful resources, and it being abandoned by regular management. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:13, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
He has been making disruptive editing at Template:Dance drama of Southeast Asia Tellisavas ( talk) 16:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Barnstars all round!
The Wikignome Award | ||
For beavering away in a thankless area, creating order out of chaos, this award is for all who undertake the detailed task of nuking sockpuppetry, and most particularly for the current low level of backlog of SPI reports 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC) |
My new filing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BiniamAmbachew doesn't currently appear at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Cases even after a purge. Maybe this is a due to a delay while waiting for a robot to extract the strings for the columns? Boud ( talk) 13:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Would it be useful to look for patterns which might indicate potential socks, such as rapidly making exactly ten edits then becoming dormant, or would that constitute unwarranted fishing? I understand that any such trawl would include false positives from good-faith editors and require corroboration from other activities before meriting any sort of investigation. Certes ( talk) 15:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I do not know how to handle all this sockpuppetry investigation stuff. However, I strongly suspect Mysteronfax and Historian442 of being sockpuppets of each other. They only edit one article, Jerome Sinclair. They have both been editing only since January 8, 2023 at the EXACT same time. They mirror and back up each other in debates, such as the ones on this talk page. On that page, they responded to the previous commenter within minutes apart, on two (four) occasions! It's clear as day they're sockpuppets, I just don't know how to get them banned. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 09:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Mz7 (bot) will no longer add pages in the User or Template namespaces to the SPI case table even if the template {{ Checkuser needed}} is placed on them. There is currently an issue where adding the CU needed template to a page will cause the bot to add all pages that transclude that page to the SPI table as well. Since more than a hundred pages transclude WP:AIV, for example, this resulted in an overwhelming amount of duplicate entries in the table when it was used there—see [12] for an illustration of this issue. Off the top of my head, I could not think of an easy solution to skip these sorts of "nested" transclusions directly, so I decided to implement this solution instead. Almost all pages that transclude pages like WP:AIV are in the User and Template namespaces, and it seems unlikely that a legitimate use of the {{ Checkuser needed}} template will occur in those namespaces. Please let me know if you notice any other issues with the bot. Thanks, Mz7 ( talk) 22:52, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton/Archive and to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mark Mulwanyi/Archive.
I suppose the alternative question is "Does it matter?" 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 10:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Just a note that the CheckUser queue on the Account Creation Interface is backlogged: currently at 36 requests and four weeks. If any CUs have some spare time, processing some of these would be much appreciated. (Noting this here because I figure a bunch of CUs have this watchlisted and I can't think of anywhere better. :) ) — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 17:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey, there's a discussion about what WHOIS lookup link is best to use for ranges at Template talk:Range vandal and I suspect SPI people are probably the ones to ask. Feel free to help out! -- Trialpears ( talk) 14:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
There are three sockpuppet investigation which are opened. 1: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Whybob19 2: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hilola Jurakulova 3: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Panpanchik
The first investigation is by me in which I wrote "All first four accounts are created in interval of 2-3 hours at the same day and I think that they all are about same user because they all regularly create unsourced and one sentence articles about towns and villages in Uzbekistan.", second is by @User:Bbb23 in which he wrote "Generally, this involves the creation of drafts/articles on Uzbekistani topics, mostly places and mosques. There are a slew of users who create the drafts, and then usually the master or Dilshod's project move the drafts to article space. The master and Dilshod's project also create pages on their own, and sometimes the other users also create pages directly into article space on their own. Occasionally, the master and Dilshod's project edit the same pages. With the exception of the master, all of the accounts were created at roughly the same time. I'm requesting a check to confirm and also to look for other accounts. I found most of the suspected socks from following the history of the pages in the masters and Dilshod's project's history, but I don't think I found all of them." and third is by @User:Onel5969 in which he wrote "Okay, not sure exactly what this is, but these 6 editors, 4 of them created in the last day or two, went on a stub-spree today. Each of them created about 20+ articles on Uzbekistan subjects, using the exact same sourcing and framework. Not sure if its the same editor or not, but I thought perhaps it might be worth taking a look at. I'll provide a link to one article from each of them, but as I said, if you look at their contributions, each did quite a few. Here are the articles: To'xtaboyvachcha Mosque, Tillasheykh mosque, [Qambarboyvachcha uy Mosque]], Chor Xaros Mosque (although that one's a little bit different, but same subject matter from a recently created account, but it's their only creation today), Uzun Hovuz Mosque, and Tinchob Mosque." and the similarity of these all three investigation is that the suspected users of this investigation creates articles related to Uzbekistan which means that this all investigations is about one subject and should be merged.
I think that this all three investigations should be merged with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Whybob19 since this investigation was made first. I request you for merging it. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 12:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone recognise the editing pattern of new editor EggsAndCakey? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 09:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
I did it again - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DilHaiChhotaSaChhotiSiAasha. I just intended to move the latest case into Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ANASKHAN777, but I misclicked and histmerged the two cases - sorry! Rationale: I'm not sure about the connection to this master - previous socks are stale, CU logs show IPs that geolocate to the same city as TheAnasKhan's IPs, so it's certainly Possible, but some behavioural analysis would be needed to be confident. What I am certain about is that TheAnasKhan and Lillyput4455 are Confirmed to one another, and to Jaalkipoy, who is a confirmed sock of ANASKHAN777. Can someone fix my mess? Girth Summit (blether) 15:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Please will one you you bring this small SPI to a conclusion. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 14:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey there,
Please merge Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/GizzyCatBella with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jacurek, per this ArbCom block.
Thanks. François Robere ( talk) 20:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Please check [15] and [16]. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:18FC:2E3D:DBD7:7AA2 ( talk) 14:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please add Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ytrezq to the list of cases. An IP user created it, and I moved it to the correct locale based on their request, but I don't know how to make it show up on the list. Thanks! -- Jayron 32 17:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi, the user I think is sockpuppeting hasn't bothered to make an account this time and seems to be just using a IP address. How do I go about reporting it in this case? I believe it to be Brogo13 – Mesidast ( talk) 19:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Should_editing_on_Wikipedia_be_limited_to_accounts_only? - Notice about a discussion asking whether editing on Wikipedia should be limited to accounts only? - jc37 16:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Sorry admins, I made a mistake with an autofiling. I had meant to submit a filing for DJdjPollard15 (the target filing) but I accidentally filed it under DjdjPollard15 (my filing). Can an admin merge the two into the correct ones please? The C of E God Save the King! ( talk) 07:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Hey CUers, admins and SPI clerks,
I was just browsing the list on the main SPI page and was wondering why there are some SPI investigations listed that were last actioned in February, March and April. I know that your schedules are full of SPI cases to investigate so it seems like these older ones should have aged off the list at this point to make room for new cases. I can't imagine there are still cases that have been left open for 2 or 3 months so I guess I'm just wondering what bot moves cases along (and off) the list on this page. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 21:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, I know there's a backlog and admins must be flooded with things to do, but is there a chance that some of the oldest open SPI cases will be evaluated in the near future? I'm asking because one of the suspected sockpuppets I reported back in May ( here) hasn't been looked at yet but is still very much active and continues to disrupt multiple articles, so I'm considering bringing a report to WP:ANI, but I really think it would be better dealt with here first (it seems to me a fairly blatant case of WP:BLOCKEVADE). Thanks for any advice and/or update on where things stand. R Prazeres ( talk) 17:53, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Please, can someone have a look at this case? A sock master with not much else to do is creating one SP after another. Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 14:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
A user has made a few weird removals of data about himself, mostly from talk page archives, claiming that he is "archiving" something. The data is mostly SPI-related stuff about the person "archiving" the data. Do we just revert?
A few examples: Special:Diff/1162994107, Special:Diff/1163282068, Special:Diff/1163353374, Special:Diff/1163283656. There's more if you check the user's contributions. I spotted this by chance because I had one of the edited pages on my watchlist. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 11:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Placing {{ Admin backlog}} in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/header lists both the SPI page and the header in Category:Administrative backlog, which is not ideal. Any objection to moving {{ Admin backlog}} back to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations? cc Dreamy Jazz – Novem Linguae ( talk) 13:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/119.75.204.218. Does User:Lemonaka have standing to seek deletion of SPI pages? SmokeyJoe ( talk) 10:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Why is Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Onlinenow under that name when Billy Hathorn is older than Onlinenow. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 19:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
A while ago RoySmith made a request at WP:AN for more administrators to patrol SPI to help out with what he described as a seasonal backlog. One administrator - forget who - thought it would be a good idea to put up a backlog notice on the SPI page like the ones you see at AIV and RFPP. I think it should be removed. First, those notices at other boards are handled by bots so they are added and removed when some algorithm decides they should be, whereas the notice at SPI will only be removed if someone decides it should be removed, and there don't appear to be any agreed-upon criteria for when it should be placed or when it should be removed. Second, based on past experience there will almost always be a backlog at SPI in one category or another, so what's the point? I doubt it will attract any admins who don't already patrol SPI anyway. Is it supposed to "shame" CUs or clerks to be more active? We don't usually do that - and with good reason. Anyway, I think it should be removed as valueless.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 11:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
<includeonly>{{#ifexpr:{{PAGESINCATEGORY:Open SPI cases|pages}} > 100|{{Administrative backlog}}}}</includeonly>It will hide automatically after Category:Open SPI cases drops below 100 pages (as of the time I'm writing this, it's at 124). I'm personally not bothered by the template, and I understand its intent as trying to recruit more administrators rather than guilting CUs/clerks into working harder, but at the same time, I am somewhat skeptical of its effectiveness (how many of us actually look at Category:Administrative backlog?). Mz7 ( talk) 21:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
{{#ifexpr:({{PAGESINCATEGORY:Open SPI cases|pages}}-{{PAGESINCATEGORY:SPI cases awaiting archive}}) > 100|{{Administrative backlog|auto=yes}}}}
|pages
parameter is applied to the PAGESINCATEGORY magic word, it will exclude subcategories from the count, see
mw:Help:Magic words#Statistics, so the 18 subcategories don't have to be factored into the threshold.
Mz7 (
talk) 06:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I suspect that these two accounts were operated by same person because of editing pattern. I didn't filling a SPI for these users yet because I didnt notice any disruptive edits by these editors. So, I bring this up here for better suggestions. Thank you ! Fade258 ( talk) 07:03, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
All make the exact same edits A type of cabinet ( talk) 05:49, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
{{ Uw-socksuspect}}
I've been debating whether to TfD this talk page notice and thought some feedback from SPI regulars would be useful. This template essentially duplicates the functionality of {{ Socksuspectnotice}} (the old yellow box talk notice), which was removed from twinkle and deleted last year following a request [17].
I think most SPI regulars would agree that notifying people that you've spotted they're a sock is at best unproductive and at worst results in a significant amount of disruption. Having the suspected sock show up to engage in 200k of "You're a sockpuppet" "no I'm not" arguments is a waste of time for everyone involved. In my experience most of the people who use these notices are newcomers who don't realise how unproductive the notices are.
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether this template is actually worth keeping? I think it would probably be better for clerks/checkusers to invite people to an investigation when they are needed, rather than doing it relativley indiscriminately with twinkle/redwarn. 192.76.8.91 ( talk) 14:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Please go to the WT:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/header page to help with an edit request. Thank you in advance! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 09:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello fellow CUs and SPI folk! I'm unravelling Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Amansharma111 and will definitely need more hands on deck. This is a massive UPE sockfarm that is using proxies extensively to create multiple accounts and articles daily. Cross checks are going to be needed as every check I make, more socks fall out. I've been heavy handed with the G11 and G5 deletions and have now started protecting some targets in article space as they typically create a draft then move it themselves to article space. It may be a good idea to loop in WP:NPP and WP:AFC to catch them early ( Wikishovel seems to have picked up on their pattern, which is helpful). Also, we'll need to shore up the proxy/P2P blocks. All of my checks will likely need to be rerun as I was unaware of the scope of the socking yesterday when I first starting checking the accounts. -- Ponyo bons mots 17:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Tamzin regarding your quick request on 60.242.166.182, I'm curious how many indefs you've found on IPs. I would think (hope, anyway) those would be exceptionally rare. RoySmith (talk) 17:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
I've changed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JoinFluffy250 to Clerk status but thought it prudent to drop a note here as well. I've blocked several socks, some of which were being used over a long period to vote in and, in some cases sway the outcome of AfDs. Extra eyes would be appreciated to untangle the deceptive edits.-- Ponyo bons mots 18:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Rehashing this from the Incidents Noticeboard:
I have noticed that numerous IP addresses and accounts that have been posting pornographic imagery mostly involving phalluses for the past few months appear to have characteristics that suggest that they are based in Sweden and are the same person (same nature of images and threats of police action to impose their edits). Is there a possible way to pinpoint the exact location and to determine how extensive is this possible sockpuppet network? Borgenland ( talk) 16:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
I have stumbled into a link to an SPI against me completely at random while reading a section in Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Shouldn't I have been pinged or informed on my talk page or something? JM2023 ( talk) 02:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
If any CU is up to it, I've come across a large (has there ever been any other size?) UPE studio spam ring. Start with a check on FilmyTV, then run a "get edits" on the IPs showing multiple users. I'm heading out in a moment or I would continue pulling the threads and watching the socks unravel.-- Ponyo bons mots 18:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Sometimes accounts are suspicious solely because they are doing something only experienced editors would do on their first edits, or their usernames suggest LTA, but no master is known. The existing format of SPI is not conducive to requesting investigations of these accounts as the format presumes there's a suspected sockmaster. I think we should have a different process for investigating these sorts of cases. Jasper Deng (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
{{
Checkuser needed}}
.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 00:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm almost certain that I've found a connection between two accounts, and it was being used as a WP:STRAWSOCK. The problem is, the sockpuppet was used for only two edits, and that was a few months ago. They were being used abusively (unless, of course, it turns out that they aren't related) but I don't know if too much time has passed since the violations. Any advice? Cheers~ Relativity 02:04, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
In the past 2 months, we have had 3 administrators desysopped under circumstances relating to sockpuppetry: CorbieVreccan and Mark Ironie in August (resigned facing ArbCom inquiry about meatpuppetry) and Lourdes this month (resigned facing ADMINCOND inquiry, then self-outed as a sock of Wifione).
One thing that was raised when I first
brought the Mark/Corbie case to the community's attention is that
this page's header begins, If you suspect sockpuppetry by an
administrator, you should
email the Arbitration Committee to open an investigation.
As far as I can tell, that's not actually part of
WP:SOCK, just a "house rule" here. Here are the four reasons I perceive for that rule, and my rebuttals:
Furthermore, the focus on administrators is strange and gives an impression of us being above the law. It doesn't even make sense in terms of avoiding abuse: Many of the worst things an admin can do, a bot operator or template editor can do as well.
In light of all this, I would propose either removing the line outright or making the following change:
If you are reporting an administrator or other user in a position of trust, you should notify the Arbitration Committee by email about your report, and note in the report that you have done so.
This draws more eyes to the case, both ensuring that spurious reports will be handled promptly (since all arbs have clerk powers as CUs) and that ArbCom will be aware of any risk of rouge-ness. Personally I have a slight preference for removal, though. Enough arbs watch SPI pages, and enough admins/clerks know how to get in touch with an arb on short notice. -- Tamzin[ cetacean needed (they|xe|she) 15:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
If you suspect sockpuppetry by an administrator, you should email the Arbitration Committee ... If you need to ... you must contact the checkuser team privately to open an investigation. Private information, emails, logs, and other sensitive evidence must not be posted on Wikipedia.The first one is a should which is generally taken to be advisory. The next two are musts, which are obligatory. I assume whoever wrote that language used those specific words exactly because they mean different things. So as far as I can tell, if you file an SPI against an admin, as long as you don't violate any of the musts, you're fine. It won't be very useful because SPI can't desysop, and the changes Tamzin proposes won't change that, nor allow the posting of private or off-wiki evidence. So there's not really any point in filing an SPI against an admin, but I don't see that doing so is actually forbidden. And, seriously, if you're going to have people accusing admins of socking, wouldn't you rather it happen on SPI instead of WPO or Discord?
If you suspect sockpuppetry by an administrator, or if you need to submit off-wiki evidence for some other reason, you must email the checkuser team to open an investigation.Mz7 ( talk) 12:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
The SPI status colors have indeed changed.
Asartea made
an edit request to change {{
SPI case status}} to use consistently WCAG AA Normal or better color contrast (
MOS:COLOR).
Firefly found a way to keep moreinfo
eye-catching while keeping it in the same color range as before, but there wasn't really any way to do that for administrator
, so that's been changed from a noncompliant bright orange to a compliant bright green (rather than a compliant dull orange). For consistency's sake, I made a matching change to {{
SPIstatusentry/color}}, the template that is called on the SPI list. I welcome any feedback. --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 05:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
CUrequest
, moreinfo
, admin
, and clerk
are the four most eye-catching categories, and it doesn't look like there's a way to do that with orange in an a11y-compliant fashion. Thing is, all the main parts of the color wheel are already taken for something: yellow for CU, blue(ish) for endorse, red/pink for open and declined, dull green for checked, purple/magenta for hold and more info, reddish for clerk. So the way I see it:
checked
to a dull orange. Which might actually be a good idea, in terms of the psychology of color: I feel like sometimes the checked queue gets negelected despite often containing fairly time-sensitive cases.{{SPI case status|clerk}}
because its accessible against black, but I just realised when it gets used in the table it is of course used against links. --
Asartea
Talk |
Contribs 16:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)#F9AC71
for ADMIN and #FF8E7A
for CLERK.) --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 06:37, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
{{long rant about accessibility, the need for it to be a policy etc here}}
--
Asartea
Talk |
Contribs 16:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)First may I offer congratulations to all of you who have worked so hard to reduce the backlog.
I have an observation which may not be borne out by real life. When CU is requested a new investigation is almost always handled comparative quickly. When not requested it can feel to someone not intimately involved with the SPI process that it is treated as less urgent.
This may be because there are more non CU requests than there are CU requests, and I accept this may be a result of the human frailty of seeing patterns where none exist. The purpose of this post is to alert you very busy SPI folks of my perception.
I hasten to add that I am not complaining. I also subscribe to the view that there is never a need to rush on Wikipedia. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:41, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:SPI report § Proposed change to sock list. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 04:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
While I was at WP:PERM, something clicked me. That if someone changes their username after a SPI case had been filed against them, the SPI link at {{ rfplinks}} would *probably* show up as a red-link, making this Template useless. Can someone more knowledgeable confirm this? And if this is true, we should fix it so that a username change automatically creates a redirect from the new username SPI page to the old one where a case was actually filed. --- CX Zoom(he/him) ( let's talk| contribs) 06:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
but I seem to have ballsed up this shiney new report somehow, and can't work out the code to fix it. The loading form froze at one point, so it was probably something to do with that; unfortunately, I didn't notice. D'oh! SN54129 20:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
How do you combine investigations? User:Lieutenant of Melkor and User:Guardian of the Rings are the same account (renamed in 2014) but I don't think anyone has realized until now that we have sock investigations under both names which do not reference each other. Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 17:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
importScript('User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js');
—which is totally fine and functional, if this is the version you prefer. However, GeneralNotability has been maintaining
an updated version of the script that has a bunch of new features, including automated merging. It can be installed by replacing importScript('User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js');
with importScript( 'User:GeneralNotability/spihelper.js' );
.
Mz7 (
talk) 01:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I've reported a good number of socks over the years. I'm an admin but don't work in this area. I've identified an IP user as a sock without any doubt (edit same articles; restored 32k of text removed in 2019 as a result of a sockpuppet investigation). What do I have to do? Do I need to open an investigation or can I just go ahead, block the IP, and add the IP address to the list of previously identified socks? A sock would usually be blocked indefinitely, but I believe that's no longer possible for IP addresses. So do I go for the maximum length of time or are there options to permanently block an IP? Schwede 66 08:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I recently created a template that can be used to mark votes/comments cast by sockpuppets. The template is {{ Sock vote}}. I didn't spent a lot of time to create this and it may require some modification. Please feel free to review and modify the template as appropriate and then use it! Thanks! --- CX Zoom(he/him) ( let's talk| contribs) 16:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
So, I got a hunch that a number of accounts (Saurabh darade 1998, Shivadikarshreyash73, RudrakshaVaity, Navneet77, Kalpana234, Mdshayansiddiqui3, Aru Jaiswar, Mitul46, Ajayso.wp) are sockpuppets of User:Deep. 123456 based on their userpages/sandboxes but they are all inactive for several years. Is it still worth reporting them? Asking because several userpages were just tagged as U5 speedy deletion and thus showed up on the speedy deletion queue, and when checking I noticed a pattern. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
From what I've seen in edit histories, the case page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dealer07 has an earlier username involved, and should be moved to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Eurofan2000. Both Eurofan2000 and Dealer07 behaved the same as Greek IPs pursuing edit-warring behavior, and both were intensely interested in Greek/Albanian/Macedonian nationalities, with the intent to diminish non-Greek connections. They were also trying to weaken the UK by dividing "British" descriptions into English, Scottish, etc. Below I've listed the named accounts that I have seen. A massive number of Greek IPs is also part of this case. Binksternet ( talk) 01:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Since Amalthea (bot) ( talk · contribs) has been down since August 2021, my bot Mz7 (bot) ( talk · contribs) has been updating User:Mz7/SPI case list to serve the SPI case list that you see on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. I've now WP:BOLDly updated my bot such that it will now update the page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Cases instead of my userspace. I've redirected my old userspace title to point to the new location. I chose this new name instead of the former Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cases/Overview, as if Amalthea's bot ever comes back up, I don't want to clash with their bot. The format "Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/___" also aligns with other information pages relating to the clerk team. I do not foresee any complications arising from this change, but please let me know if I have indeed messed anything up. Thanks, Mz7 ( talk) 00:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
A relatively new user who is not an admin or clerk has tagged the user and user talk pages of socks. Not sure if this is allowed (or what to do if not) so I figured I'd bring it to your attention here. Nardog ( talk) 03:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Recently I found a phrase "Infinite torque at zero rpm" on an article. Such thing does not really exist, except in Wikipedia. I did further investigation, and here is what I found:
I found that suspicious. ⸻ Nikolas Ojala ( talk) 09:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Would an SPI clerk or better please review the new LTA subpage nominations at MfD? SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
I have almost no experience with SPI, so please bear with me if this is a dumb question. I've recently reported a new suspected sock into an old existing case - will it autopopulate into the big table on the main SPI page, or since it's an old SPI will I need to make some sort of additional action to bring attention to it? Hog Farm Talk 01:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
{{
SPI case status}}
or other important elements are missing. If a case hasn't shown up for a while, please post here so we can either fix the filing or annoy the
bot operator with a million pings. --
Blablubbs (
talk) 08:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)It seems to be stopping Twinkle from showing up on new user talk pages that haven't been created yet. Doug Weller talk 16:31, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Sorry SPI. I filed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ArsenalAtletico2007 in the wrong place, having mistyped the user's name? Should I refile at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ArsenalAtletico2017 or is it better for someone to move it? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 13:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi @ Jezebel's Ponyo, Blablubbs, Cabayi, and Bbb23:, Would you please check this SPI case Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nepalaya001? Fade258 ( talk) 09:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
I have added two IP suspected sockpuppets of indeffed user Moka Mo /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Moka_Mo. I believe I somehow screwed up the latest case as filing date shows unknown. Regards, Aloha27 talk 12:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
They all fall onto the shoulders of a very select few, and I'm not at all sure how you manage without burnout. One thing I notice often is that the non CU request queue seems to get less of your attention, perhaps because it's lower down the list. Or is my perception incorrect? Oughtn't Duck cases to be somehow simpler, fewer folk involved?
I'm not "pushing" for anything except equality. There's no deadline for anything because those with the rights can correct many issues at a few keystrokes. I'm honestly not complaining. I think there need to be more of you guys. But that's true of all specialist areas of WP. So what is the real answer? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:09, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello,
I've just noticed that the button for submitting a report seems to have broken for IP editors. The button should only direct you to the talk page if you are opening a brand new investigation and need to create a new page, if you are adding a new section to an existing report then you can edit the page directly. I seem to remember that there used to be two boxes you could use which covered both possibilities? 192.76.8.78 ( talk) 13:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
;)
--
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 14:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)Due to a copy-paste error, I've just created a new case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ Honest Yusuf Cricket instead of adding it to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Honest Yusuf Cricket. I hope someone can clean up after me; very sorry for the trouble! -- JBL ( talk) 19:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
:)
--
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she/they) 19:14, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
I realize of course that there's a huge backlog, but Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ZemenfesKidus has been open for more than three weeks now, and though one of the IP ranges has been blocked by Drmies after 500 or more block-evading edits, the account listed ( BeteAmora ( talk · contribs)) has made more than 600 edits and is still going strong. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 11:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Not sure what to do with this. A new article Tylerbrizyy (musician) has been created, and it looks like a recreation of something deleted earlier after this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tylerbrizyy (hence I've requested speedy on it). At the AfD it was mentioned that its creator Tylerbrizyy was blocked as a puppeteer, and David DXL was also mentioned. This new article has been created by the latter, now twice. I haven't filed a formal case as I don't know if this is enough of a reason to, but I reckon something's ducky here. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 13:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
:)
firefly (
t ·
c ) 13:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, SPI folks,
I've probably created a dozen SPI reports since I started editing here regularly and today when I did this, the "submit" won't go through. It kept bringing me back to an editing screen with no explanation of what the problem could be. I've gone through this now three times in case I was inputting the information incorrectly but I get the same response each time. Any advice? Liz Read! Talk! 02:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Why? Doug Weller talk 11:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:P
)
firefly (
t ·
c ) 09:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
I've seen a few SPI fillings that link to mobile diffs, and would a bot task to change to desktop diffs be useful? 0x Deadbeef 05:34, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingie11 →
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingie11
Instructions weren't clear whether an explicit request was needed, making one just to be safe. Thanks,
2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (
talk) 21:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
:)
--
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 04:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)I've recently started becoming slightly active here at SPI, and noticed some peculiarities regarding how the backlog works here. Firstly, the list of unarchived closed cases seems to be well over 100 cases long, and includes cases that haven't been modified in nearly a month. I assume that every once in a while, a clerk begrudgingly does the tedious work of archiving these cases and clears out the list periodically. Is archiving closed cases a sufficiently straightforward and clear-cut task that we might recruit the help of a bot to do it? Or is it something that requires subjective evaluation by a human or complex decision-making?
Secondly, I've noticed that the list of "open" cases contains a relatively large number of stale cases that have never had any edits made to them since they were originally created, with the list similarly stretching nearly a month back. Maybe they're just uninteresting cases. Maybe the requester gave very little info and therefore a lot of digging would be required by anyone that tries to handle the case. Or perhaps there just aren't enough people working at SPI to handle all the incoming cases. Anyway, I'm wondering what eventually happens to these stale cases? Is there a time limit after which they're just closed without comment? Or do all cases eventually get some kind of response from a clerk/admin/CU? —ScottyWong— 15:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
There's a discussion happening at Wikipedia talk:Edit warring#Reverting actions performed by banned users in violation of a ban, and sockpuppets or meatpuppets of banned or blocked users., and input from people experienced in anti-sockpuppetry work would be appreciated. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 14:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
I have recently been having an exchange with Somebody040404 in relation to a minor content dispute at Languages of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. A new user called JustSomeone08 had now made exactly the same disputed edit with an edit summary which is almost verbatim what the other user added a few days earlier entirely separately on my talk page. There is also an obvious similarity of usernames. I see that the two users also edit the same other articles ( 1 2) on Congolese languages, often on the same days, sometimes only hours apart.
Although it is perhaps also unfair to raise this allegation, I also wonder whether the single-use account TSHepo050302 is another sock of the same user given the similar edit history and naming format but I apologise sincerely if this is not the case.
I am not familiar with the processes in this area. Could someone let me know what is necessary to take it forward?— Brigade Piron ( talk) 20:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
FYI Template:SPI ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion at TfD -- 64.229.88.43 ( talk) 05:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
At Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Orca Vision Inc., an IP had misindentified the SPI page as protected and added an {{ edit semi-protected}} SPI request. Requesting a CU/clerk to merge the talk page with the actual SPI page. Thanks! — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • { C• X}) 08:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
From those of you with more experience at this, what do you do if you think you've spotted someone you recognize, but it's *way* too early to have substantive evidence yet. For example, this editor only registered hours ago and they have eight total edits, but they immediately reminded me of Hopelesswiki. Now what? Mathglot ( talk) 03:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I have a question. A throw-away account was created to commit one act of vandalism, which it did, and has been blocked. Is there a way to request that CheckUser determine who the sockmaster is? It was clearly a throw-away account created by a person who used it for a bad joke. If I had reason other than idle suspicion to guess who else had used that IP address during that time window, I could submit an SPI request, but I only know of one address, so I can't specify who else to check. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:51, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I think I've found another potential sock of Jurrasic kid ( User:2019Rocks), but I can't find any previous cases involving them (Jurrasic kid) in the archives and I don't want to file it under the wrong name. Would it even be worth it to start an investigation, since 2019Rocks already blocked?
Asparagusus (interaction) 22:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Isuzu.tf was created incorrectly and I cannot close it. Can someone check? The IP who created it was spot on, unfortunately the report didn't transclude to the open SPI list and the sock ran amok for a several weeks .-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Asking for some guidance on somewhat speculative reporting. I've just come across two drafts at AfC, Draft:Nuvoco Vistas and Draft:Akhil Talreja, which were created by new users. Both articles (by which I mean, articles on these topics, not necessarily identical in content) have previously been created by socks. If I can't find any other connection to the earlier socks (ie. no similarity in eg. usernames), is the mere recreation of an article previously associated with socking enough of a reason to report to SPI? In other words, is it better to report 'just in case', or not to bother you guys without more evidence? Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 06:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
I know that you don't usually connect IPs to accounts, but what are we supposed to do when we have good reasons to believe that someone is IP socking? Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 23:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
I would like to know whether it is technically possible to perform an investigation between two users editing from two different countries. The reason why I ask this is because an admin of the Italian Wikipedia called Ignis claims that user Jacquesparker0 may have engaged in "POV pushing" on their project using my IP address just because we edited the same article about Margaret Singer. They seem to think that I'm a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of him. Of course I am not as I edit from Italy, which you can easily verify, but Ignis is absolutely convinced I am. Here you can find the discussion. I'd be happy if you could clarify the point. Thanks. 151.31.243.65 ( talk) 15:38, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
There is one SPI for this sockmaster ( Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Anglo Pyramidologist) resulting from a series of merges but four sock categories:
Should these be merged? I'm asking for the purposes of determining the scope of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/GreenUniverse - which users should be added? MER-C 13:49, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
This quick case is open. |
This user nominated an article from a popular profile, calling it clear propaganda. This leads to suspicion that this is a mother's account with a complete lack of information. Either the blind is shooting arrows in the dark. Thailandhindi ( talk) 02:27, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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I maintain that MfD is an incompetent forum for authorising the deletion of LTA and SPI subpages without the involvement of an SPI clerk or checkuser.
I don’t think it is wise to allow random editors to blank LTA subpages. Precedent may be set by experienced users and admins that opens the door to others doing selective blanking for nefarious reasons. There should be some rule, and I suggest the rule that clerking of LTA be limited to SPI clerks. Alongside, I suggest serious consideration of the blanking of all LTA subpages, due to it containing more problems than useful resources, and it being abandoned by regular management. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:13, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
He has been making disruptive editing at Template:Dance drama of Southeast Asia Tellisavas ( talk) 16:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Barnstars all round!
The Wikignome Award | ||
For beavering away in a thankless area, creating order out of chaos, this award is for all who undertake the detailed task of nuking sockpuppetry, and most particularly for the current low level of backlog of SPI reports 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC) |
My new filing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BiniamAmbachew doesn't currently appear at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Cases even after a purge. Maybe this is a due to a delay while waiting for a robot to extract the strings for the columns? Boud ( talk) 13:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Would it be useful to look for patterns which might indicate potential socks, such as rapidly making exactly ten edits then becoming dormant, or would that constitute unwarranted fishing? I understand that any such trawl would include false positives from good-faith editors and require corroboration from other activities before meriting any sort of investigation. Certes ( talk) 15:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I do not know how to handle all this sockpuppetry investigation stuff. However, I strongly suspect Mysteronfax and Historian442 of being sockpuppets of each other. They only edit one article, Jerome Sinclair. They have both been editing only since January 8, 2023 at the EXACT same time. They mirror and back up each other in debates, such as the ones on this talk page. On that page, they responded to the previous commenter within minutes apart, on two (four) occasions! It's clear as day they're sockpuppets, I just don't know how to get them banned. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 09:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Mz7 (bot) will no longer add pages in the User or Template namespaces to the SPI case table even if the template {{ Checkuser needed}} is placed on them. There is currently an issue where adding the CU needed template to a page will cause the bot to add all pages that transclude that page to the SPI table as well. Since more than a hundred pages transclude WP:AIV, for example, this resulted in an overwhelming amount of duplicate entries in the table when it was used there—see [12] for an illustration of this issue. Off the top of my head, I could not think of an easy solution to skip these sorts of "nested" transclusions directly, so I decided to implement this solution instead. Almost all pages that transclude pages like WP:AIV are in the User and Template namespaces, and it seems unlikely that a legitimate use of the {{ Checkuser needed}} template will occur in those namespaces. Please let me know if you notice any other issues with the bot. Thanks, Mz7 ( talk) 22:52, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton/Archive and to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mark Mulwanyi/Archive.
I suppose the alternative question is "Does it matter?" 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 10:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Just a note that the CheckUser queue on the Account Creation Interface is backlogged: currently at 36 requests and four weeks. If any CUs have some spare time, processing some of these would be much appreciated. (Noting this here because I figure a bunch of CUs have this watchlisted and I can't think of anywhere better. :) ) — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 17:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey, there's a discussion about what WHOIS lookup link is best to use for ranges at Template talk:Range vandal and I suspect SPI people are probably the ones to ask. Feel free to help out! -- Trialpears ( talk) 14:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
There are three sockpuppet investigation which are opened. 1: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Whybob19 2: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hilola Jurakulova 3: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Panpanchik
The first investigation is by me in which I wrote "All first four accounts are created in interval of 2-3 hours at the same day and I think that they all are about same user because they all regularly create unsourced and one sentence articles about towns and villages in Uzbekistan.", second is by @User:Bbb23 in which he wrote "Generally, this involves the creation of drafts/articles on Uzbekistani topics, mostly places and mosques. There are a slew of users who create the drafts, and then usually the master or Dilshod's project move the drafts to article space. The master and Dilshod's project also create pages on their own, and sometimes the other users also create pages directly into article space on their own. Occasionally, the master and Dilshod's project edit the same pages. With the exception of the master, all of the accounts were created at roughly the same time. I'm requesting a check to confirm and also to look for other accounts. I found most of the suspected socks from following the history of the pages in the masters and Dilshod's project's history, but I don't think I found all of them." and third is by @User:Onel5969 in which he wrote "Okay, not sure exactly what this is, but these 6 editors, 4 of them created in the last day or two, went on a stub-spree today. Each of them created about 20+ articles on Uzbekistan subjects, using the exact same sourcing and framework. Not sure if its the same editor or not, but I thought perhaps it might be worth taking a look at. I'll provide a link to one article from each of them, but as I said, if you look at their contributions, each did quite a few. Here are the articles: To'xtaboyvachcha Mosque, Tillasheykh mosque, [Qambarboyvachcha uy Mosque]], Chor Xaros Mosque (although that one's a little bit different, but same subject matter from a recently created account, but it's their only creation today), Uzun Hovuz Mosque, and Tinchob Mosque." and the similarity of these all three investigation is that the suspected users of this investigation creates articles related to Uzbekistan which means that this all investigations is about one subject and should be merged.
I think that this all three investigations should be merged with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Whybob19 since this investigation was made first. I request you for merging it. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 12:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone recognise the editing pattern of new editor EggsAndCakey? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 09:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
I did it again - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DilHaiChhotaSaChhotiSiAasha. I just intended to move the latest case into Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ANASKHAN777, but I misclicked and histmerged the two cases - sorry! Rationale: I'm not sure about the connection to this master - previous socks are stale, CU logs show IPs that geolocate to the same city as TheAnasKhan's IPs, so it's certainly Possible, but some behavioural analysis would be needed to be confident. What I am certain about is that TheAnasKhan and Lillyput4455 are Confirmed to one another, and to Jaalkipoy, who is a confirmed sock of ANASKHAN777. Can someone fix my mess? Girth Summit (blether) 15:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Please will one you you bring this small SPI to a conclusion. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 14:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey there,
Please merge Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/GizzyCatBella with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jacurek, per this ArbCom block.
Thanks. François Robere ( talk) 20:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Please check [15] and [16]. 2804:14D:5C32:4673:18FC:2E3D:DBD7:7AA2 ( talk) 14:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please add Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ytrezq to the list of cases. An IP user created it, and I moved it to the correct locale based on their request, but I don't know how to make it show up on the list. Thanks! -- Jayron 32 17:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi, the user I think is sockpuppeting hasn't bothered to make an account this time and seems to be just using a IP address. How do I go about reporting it in this case? I believe it to be Brogo13 – Mesidast ( talk) 19:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Should_editing_on_Wikipedia_be_limited_to_accounts_only? - Notice about a discussion asking whether editing on Wikipedia should be limited to accounts only? - jc37 16:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Sorry admins, I made a mistake with an autofiling. I had meant to submit a filing for DJdjPollard15 (the target filing) but I accidentally filed it under DjdjPollard15 (my filing). Can an admin merge the two into the correct ones please? The C of E God Save the King! ( talk) 07:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Hey CUers, admins and SPI clerks,
I was just browsing the list on the main SPI page and was wondering why there are some SPI investigations listed that were last actioned in February, March and April. I know that your schedules are full of SPI cases to investigate so it seems like these older ones should have aged off the list at this point to make room for new cases. I can't imagine there are still cases that have been left open for 2 or 3 months so I guess I'm just wondering what bot moves cases along (and off) the list on this page. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 21:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, I know there's a backlog and admins must be flooded with things to do, but is there a chance that some of the oldest open SPI cases will be evaluated in the near future? I'm asking because one of the suspected sockpuppets I reported back in May ( here) hasn't been looked at yet but is still very much active and continues to disrupt multiple articles, so I'm considering bringing a report to WP:ANI, but I really think it would be better dealt with here first (it seems to me a fairly blatant case of WP:BLOCKEVADE). Thanks for any advice and/or update on where things stand. R Prazeres ( talk) 17:53, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Please, can someone have a look at this case? A sock master with not much else to do is creating one SP after another. Thanks. M.Bitton ( talk) 14:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
A user has made a few weird removals of data about himself, mostly from talk page archives, claiming that he is "archiving" something. The data is mostly SPI-related stuff about the person "archiving" the data. Do we just revert?
A few examples: Special:Diff/1162994107, Special:Diff/1163282068, Special:Diff/1163353374, Special:Diff/1163283656. There's more if you check the user's contributions. I spotted this by chance because I had one of the edited pages on my watchlist. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 11:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Placing {{ Admin backlog}} in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/header lists both the SPI page and the header in Category:Administrative backlog, which is not ideal. Any objection to moving {{ Admin backlog}} back to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations? cc Dreamy Jazz – Novem Linguae ( talk) 13:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/119.75.204.218. Does User:Lemonaka have standing to seek deletion of SPI pages? SmokeyJoe ( talk) 10:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Why is Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Onlinenow under that name when Billy Hathorn is older than Onlinenow. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 19:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
A while ago RoySmith made a request at WP:AN for more administrators to patrol SPI to help out with what he described as a seasonal backlog. One administrator - forget who - thought it would be a good idea to put up a backlog notice on the SPI page like the ones you see at AIV and RFPP. I think it should be removed. First, those notices at other boards are handled by bots so they are added and removed when some algorithm decides they should be, whereas the notice at SPI will only be removed if someone decides it should be removed, and there don't appear to be any agreed-upon criteria for when it should be placed or when it should be removed. Second, based on past experience there will almost always be a backlog at SPI in one category or another, so what's the point? I doubt it will attract any admins who don't already patrol SPI anyway. Is it supposed to "shame" CUs or clerks to be more active? We don't usually do that - and with good reason. Anyway, I think it should be removed as valueless.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 11:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
<includeonly>{{#ifexpr:{{PAGESINCATEGORY:Open SPI cases|pages}} > 100|{{Administrative backlog}}}}</includeonly>It will hide automatically after Category:Open SPI cases drops below 100 pages (as of the time I'm writing this, it's at 124). I'm personally not bothered by the template, and I understand its intent as trying to recruit more administrators rather than guilting CUs/clerks into working harder, but at the same time, I am somewhat skeptical of its effectiveness (how many of us actually look at Category:Administrative backlog?). Mz7 ( talk) 21:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
{{#ifexpr:({{PAGESINCATEGORY:Open SPI cases|pages}}-{{PAGESINCATEGORY:SPI cases awaiting archive}}) > 100|{{Administrative backlog|auto=yes}}}}
|pages
parameter is applied to the PAGESINCATEGORY magic word, it will exclude subcategories from the count, see
mw:Help:Magic words#Statistics, so the 18 subcategories don't have to be factored into the threshold.
Mz7 (
talk) 06:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I suspect that these two accounts were operated by same person because of editing pattern. I didn't filling a SPI for these users yet because I didnt notice any disruptive edits by these editors. So, I bring this up here for better suggestions. Thank you ! Fade258 ( talk) 07:03, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
All make the exact same edits A type of cabinet ( talk) 05:49, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
{{ Uw-socksuspect}}
I've been debating whether to TfD this talk page notice and thought some feedback from SPI regulars would be useful. This template essentially duplicates the functionality of {{ Socksuspectnotice}} (the old yellow box talk notice), which was removed from twinkle and deleted last year following a request [17].
I think most SPI regulars would agree that notifying people that you've spotted they're a sock is at best unproductive and at worst results in a significant amount of disruption. Having the suspected sock show up to engage in 200k of "You're a sockpuppet" "no I'm not" arguments is a waste of time for everyone involved. In my experience most of the people who use these notices are newcomers who don't realise how unproductive the notices are.
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether this template is actually worth keeping? I think it would probably be better for clerks/checkusers to invite people to an investigation when they are needed, rather than doing it relativley indiscriminately with twinkle/redwarn. 192.76.8.91 ( talk) 14:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Please go to the WT:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/header page to help with an edit request. Thank you in advance! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 09:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello fellow CUs and SPI folk! I'm unravelling Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Amansharma111 and will definitely need more hands on deck. This is a massive UPE sockfarm that is using proxies extensively to create multiple accounts and articles daily. Cross checks are going to be needed as every check I make, more socks fall out. I've been heavy handed with the G11 and G5 deletions and have now started protecting some targets in article space as they typically create a draft then move it themselves to article space. It may be a good idea to loop in WP:NPP and WP:AFC to catch them early ( Wikishovel seems to have picked up on their pattern, which is helpful). Also, we'll need to shore up the proxy/P2P blocks. All of my checks will likely need to be rerun as I was unaware of the scope of the socking yesterday when I first starting checking the accounts. -- Ponyo bons mots 17:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Tamzin regarding your quick request on 60.242.166.182, I'm curious how many indefs you've found on IPs. I would think (hope, anyway) those would be exceptionally rare. RoySmith (talk) 17:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
I've changed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JoinFluffy250 to Clerk status but thought it prudent to drop a note here as well. I've blocked several socks, some of which were being used over a long period to vote in and, in some cases sway the outcome of AfDs. Extra eyes would be appreciated to untangle the deceptive edits.-- Ponyo bons mots 18:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Rehashing this from the Incidents Noticeboard:
I have noticed that numerous IP addresses and accounts that have been posting pornographic imagery mostly involving phalluses for the past few months appear to have characteristics that suggest that they are based in Sweden and are the same person (same nature of images and threats of police action to impose their edits). Is there a possible way to pinpoint the exact location and to determine how extensive is this possible sockpuppet network? Borgenland ( talk) 16:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
I have stumbled into a link to an SPI against me completely at random while reading a section in Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Shouldn't I have been pinged or informed on my talk page or something? JM2023 ( talk) 02:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
If any CU is up to it, I've come across a large (has there ever been any other size?) UPE studio spam ring. Start with a check on FilmyTV, then run a "get edits" on the IPs showing multiple users. I'm heading out in a moment or I would continue pulling the threads and watching the socks unravel.-- Ponyo bons mots 18:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Sometimes accounts are suspicious solely because they are doing something only experienced editors would do on their first edits, or their usernames suggest LTA, but no master is known. The existing format of SPI is not conducive to requesting investigations of these accounts as the format presumes there's a suspected sockmaster. I think we should have a different process for investigating these sorts of cases. Jasper Deng (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
{{
Checkuser needed}}
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Bbb23 (
talk) 00:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm almost certain that I've found a connection between two accounts, and it was being used as a WP:STRAWSOCK. The problem is, the sockpuppet was used for only two edits, and that was a few months ago. They were being used abusively (unless, of course, it turns out that they aren't related) but I don't know if too much time has passed since the violations. Any advice? Cheers~ Relativity 02:04, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
In the past 2 months, we have had 3 administrators desysopped under circumstances relating to sockpuppetry: CorbieVreccan and Mark Ironie in August (resigned facing ArbCom inquiry about meatpuppetry) and Lourdes this month (resigned facing ADMINCOND inquiry, then self-outed as a sock of Wifione).
One thing that was raised when I first
brought the Mark/Corbie case to the community's attention is that
this page's header begins, If you suspect sockpuppetry by an
administrator, you should
email the Arbitration Committee to open an investigation.
As far as I can tell, that's not actually part of
WP:SOCK, just a "house rule" here. Here are the four reasons I perceive for that rule, and my rebuttals:
Furthermore, the focus on administrators is strange and gives an impression of us being above the law. It doesn't even make sense in terms of avoiding abuse: Many of the worst things an admin can do, a bot operator or template editor can do as well.
In light of all this, I would propose either removing the line outright or making the following change:
If you are reporting an administrator or other user in a position of trust, you should notify the Arbitration Committee by email about your report, and note in the report that you have done so.
This draws more eyes to the case, both ensuring that spurious reports will be handled promptly (since all arbs have clerk powers as CUs) and that ArbCom will be aware of any risk of rouge-ness. Personally I have a slight preference for removal, though. Enough arbs watch SPI pages, and enough admins/clerks know how to get in touch with an arb on short notice. -- Tamzin[ cetacean needed (they|xe|she) 15:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
If you suspect sockpuppetry by an administrator, you should email the Arbitration Committee ... If you need to ... you must contact the checkuser team privately to open an investigation. Private information, emails, logs, and other sensitive evidence must not be posted on Wikipedia.The first one is a should which is generally taken to be advisory. The next two are musts, which are obligatory. I assume whoever wrote that language used those specific words exactly because they mean different things. So as far as I can tell, if you file an SPI against an admin, as long as you don't violate any of the musts, you're fine. It won't be very useful because SPI can't desysop, and the changes Tamzin proposes won't change that, nor allow the posting of private or off-wiki evidence. So there's not really any point in filing an SPI against an admin, but I don't see that doing so is actually forbidden. And, seriously, if you're going to have people accusing admins of socking, wouldn't you rather it happen on SPI instead of WPO or Discord?
If you suspect sockpuppetry by an administrator, or if you need to submit off-wiki evidence for some other reason, you must email the checkuser team to open an investigation.Mz7 ( talk) 12:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)