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Find video game sources: "Armed Gamer" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Stumble across this website while looking at an article. Can't really pinpoint its reliability as its probably a small website but that's why we have this page, right? GamerPro64 01:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, I'll run through the basic elements of my personal examination for the benefit of Smuckola's checklist question above. Important to note that this is a multi-factor test and none of these factors alone is dispositive.
Again, this is not a checklist, but a multi-factor test and each source should be considered on its individual merits. So opinions may vary and multi-editor consensus is required. - Thibbs ( talk) 14:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys. I'd be obliged if someone would be able to toss me a sentence or a link about why this section is supposedly allowed, if it is. Isn't it categorically going to violate WP:CRYSTALBALL unless there already exists some wide coverage by reliable sources of a super high profile title? And it'd have to definitely include only those which have Wikipedia articles. All of the titles currently in that section are either WP:CRYSTALBALL or straight nonexistent. Am I right? I have every inclination to delete the entire section and its contents. Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 12:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Zeldadungeon" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I've just written a Themes section for the Majora's Mask article (in the same style as the section seen in the Blade Runner FA), and used this source, specifically this article [1], to source interpretations on the game's theme of friendship and healing. I think it's a situational source and valid for my purpose, but I'd be interested in what you guys think. A link search reveals it's been linked from the Ocarina of Time FA so I assume it's okay, but I couldn't see it on this project's checklist. Autonova ( talk) 17:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Cracked" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Further to my discussion on Zeldadungeon above, I also used cracked.com, specifically this article [2], in sourcing a popular interpretation on Majora's Mask, which I included in the new Themes section. The site lists the identities of writers and editors ( [3]) and it seems reliable to me, but again I should let you guys have a look. Autonova ( talk) 17:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Here are some of the best places I've found for sources on classic video games, computers, and other things. But the other things often do include games and computers.
And there are archives of every kind of video game and computer software at Internet Archive. I've vaguely read that all of this is available via a temporary DMCA exemption, so I don't know whether it's suitable to link from WP:VGRS, but the software itself is a literary source. We're not distributing it here, but maybe could link to one who apparently legally does distribute it. I'll defer to someone who more thoroughly understands the facts. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 15:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Is the Metacritic User Score usable. I would think not, for similar reasons described at WP:MOSFILM#Audience response. However, I can't find a similar text about the audience response at, for example, WP:VG/S#Review sites. Where do I need to look, what is the guideline? -- 82.136.210.153 ( talk) 22:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Many sites allow users to submit content, like Wikipedia itself. These reviews are often not independent, and are not reliable because they have not been checked for factuality by an editor." WP:VG/RS is also subsidiary to the Wikipedia-wide guideline, WP:USERGENERATED. Which is pretty clear. I'd be open to suggestions to clarify/improve the language at WP:VG/S#Review sites, though, if you think it would help. Do you have a specific proposal for text to add? - Thibbs ( talk) 22:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
mmos
My impression is that MMOs.com should be considered unreliable. I am unable to find anything about editorial policies or control, and no author by-lines. In fact, according to their About Us page, they appear to use "free lance" writers rather than staff. Like "free lance", their articles are filled with spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors. They prominently link to specific, recommended games, which is probably advertising. And they're run by the founders of MMOHut, which is specifically considered unreliable by us. Other opinions before I revert? Woodroar ( talk) 16:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Before you revert the changes, take note that I've fixed numerous actual problems on various wiki pages as well as clarified things and was never warned up until today. I was adding value, not just spamming links. I may have gotten a bit ahead of myself, but please look at the actual changes. I've deleted dead links, removed a few obviously spam links, updated incorrect information, clarified / re-worded poorly written sentences and added official website links as sources. Plus many of game pages I edited had no references, and the official game pages don't mention the very specific content that was already talked about and needed a source. The links from wikipedia are no-follow anyway and don't pass on any search engine Juice, so there's nothing to gain aside from "click" traffic (which is literally 1 person a day from all articles. I genuinely thought I was enhancing these articles, had I been warned earlier I would have stopped and kept my edits simpler. My motivation behind the edits were to enhance the pages on Wikipedia, many of which were very out dated. EQ2/Planetside 2 didn't even update developer/publisher until I did it. I'd like to continue contributing if possible and would even do so without ever putting any sources if that's preferred. - MMOPhilosopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMOPhilosopher ( talk • contribs) 16:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I've added links to official game sources, ie. for Angels Online I cited their official site. I won't be adding any more links to mmos, I was under the impression that I was adding value since it was recent relevant source.. A lot of the obscure games like Angels Online will never be reviewed again by traditional gaming sources, and those games have all changed drastically over the years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMOPhilosopher ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "VGMdb" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I see this site often. It's user-submitted and unreliable, right? Any objections to listing it as such? czar ⨹ 14:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
The Polish entries were originally added as a result of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources/Archive 6#Proposal: pl.wiki VG RS Transclusion this discussion, copied from the analogous page on pl.wiki. For sake of completness, I now went and added links to the pl.wiki page so that users of this page can quickly learn what rationale was originally used to assess these sources. For the unreliable and situational sources, I had to link to an old revision of the pl.wiki page, because it had descriptions of non-reliable sources deleted back in 2013 by consensus. JudgeDeadd ( talk) 18:19, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I'd feel more comfortable if @ Thibbs were to review the changes before we accept them carte blanche. (I thought every wiki did their rules differently, too?) czar ⨹ 20:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)The one place I think we should differ from pl.wiki's RS determination is for situational sources. Because these sources require careful analysis for proper use, knowledge of polish would presumably be an important requirement and I think it's too much to expect WP:VG editors to navigate these sites in Polish.
I noticed that an IP added an entry for a website called 'GamesNosh' at Donkey Kong Country (an article I'm currently in the process of bringing up to GA). I've never heard of this website before and it's not even on WP:VG/RS. A quick look at its website doesn't do it any favours. Should it be deleted? ☠ JAG UAR ☠ 23:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "The Daily Dot" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I was under the impression that The Daily Dot was already seen as reliable based on its incidence in other articles, but I didn't see it on our list and its related pages at RSN were not favorable. Thoughts?
The Daily Dot’s first and most important responsibility is accuracy. We make reasonable efforts to verify information by publication time and we disclose to readers transparently what we do and do not know to be a fact.
— http://www.dailydot.com/ethics-policy/
The specific use I have in mind is its articles on eSports, specifically a team called Cloud9, in order to prove notability. Daily Dot gives the team way more coverage than any other site on our list. czar ⨹ 00:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "JayIsGames" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
There have been several past discussions about JayIsGames, but they were all in 2011 and earlier. The main consensus from them was that, due to the site accepting user reviews, it was a situational reliable source and, generally, only reviews by Jay Bibby, the creator, were considered reliable. I would like to point out that, since 2011, the site has hired several editorial staff members for the site. They still allow submitted user reviews, which will obviously not be considered reliable, but there are other reviews that I feel should be considered reliable. Obviously, any reviews by Jay Bibby, but I want to suggest also reviews by Dora Breckinridge, the Chief Editor of the site that manages the content and approves other reviews and also runs the official Twitter, to be considered reliable. She was hired on in 2012, after the previous VG/S discussions, so she wouldn't have been considered back then. Silver seren C 23:28, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "BuzzFeed" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I'm surprised that Buzzfeed hasn't been discussed here before. But I've noticed that its used on a few pages. I don't personally find this site to be reliable at all, with its notoriety of click bait articles, and it being accused of plagiarism which I didn't know about until now. Just doesn't seem like the best choice to be used as a reliable source on this site at all. GamerPro64 01:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I've determined that the following sources are most likely reliable for eSports. I'm still trying to find non-English language sources that might be reliable.
(edit: more sources)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Prisencolinensinainciusol ( talk • contribs)
Find video game sources: "Gaming Trend" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Marking this as unreliable. About page:
Gaming Trend is an entirely independent wholly-owned website run by volunteers – this site is run by gamers, for gamers.
No editorial oversight. – czar 14:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Defunct Games" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Defunct Games has come up on two occasions here with little dialogue. I don't see how the site could be reliable. Its main writer, Cyril Lachel, is most closely affiliated with Gaming Nexus, which we have marked as unreliable. Defunct's "about" page says nothing about editorial oversight and their "now hiring" page says even more in its title, posted in 2013: "Help Wanted: How to Work Really Hard for No Money" ... "We've grown into a website that cannot be run by one single person." Mark as unreliable. – czar 12:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Can this be added to unreliable sources? As far as I know, it's a database that relies on user submitted content. Site FAQ: [6], About: [7] -- The1337gamer ( talk) 22:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/ is the link. Is Gamesetwatch a reliable source? Qwertyxp2000 ( talk | contribs) 10:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Gamebits" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Their about page says their column was published in a couple of major publications, which I haven't verified, but the staff doesn't look too hot from the journalistic expertise side. I don't see the editorial oversight either... – czar 05:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing something on the page, I'm surprised GameCritics is not on the list of sources? I'm also here to ask if it's reliable, as I'm in the process of bringing an article up to GA with one of its reviews included. Its about us page has a list of critics and a philosophy, but even so, I'm still unsure if it can be used as a source. If it's already on the list of reliable sources as a different name or if it has been discussed about before, then I'm sorry to bring it up. JAG UAR 22:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Been seeing GameRanx being used lately (mostly for "Best of" list), while DualShockers I've have heard was reliable but there wasn't any real consensus on it.
GameRanx: http://www.gameranx.com
DualShockers: http://www.dualshockers.com
GamerPro64 02:01, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Hm, how much is relevant to be cited by other RSes? It's cited by CNET, Time , VG247, GameZone, GameSpot, among others according to the WP:VG/RS searching tool ( [10], [11]). Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Dorkly" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Do we have a stance on Dorkly? They seem to have their own staff], though not that big of one, and are apparently owned by the same people who do College Humor. I'm not overly familiar with their work though. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 13:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "The Jimquisition" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Saw this on the Hatred (video game) page. Recalling that Jim Sterling left The Escapist a couple of months ago, as well as him formally from Destructoid, there may be some reliability from him. Like Robert Christgau for music. Though it just being a WordPress website does make it come off more as a blog. GamerPro64 04:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Bumping this for a bit more attention, as he was briefly used at Fallout Shelter till being removed in favor of IGN as a better source. The archives suggests that nearly 5 years ago there was one lengthy-ish section about him, with a lot of back and forth that seemed mostly tied to personal taste of him. -- ferret ( talk) 01:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "CinemaBlend" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Currently CinemaBlend isn't considered reliable due to this discussion five years ago. However, it also has a question mark next to it on the checklist. The site doesn't seem too bad in terms of reliability. Would at least consider it Situational. GamerPro64 21:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Previous discussions of Arcade History found it to be a fansite with no editorial backing. Does it make sense to have this as an external link template when we have KLOV and Moby, which appear to be better alternatives by every measure? – czar 03:36, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "That VideoGame Blog" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Discussed briefly once before, but wanted to confirm that this site is unreliable so it gets the X. No reputation for fact-checking or reliability. Writers page, no editorial policy. – czar 16:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I've spotted this quite a bit lately, but someone was specifically calling it out as a "random blog" and removing Gamesindustry.biz sources due to the fact that they reference it. My position in that particular case is that Gamesindustry is a reliable source, so we presume they vetted it.
That said, I'm not sure Super Data Research might not be a reliable source in and of itself... thoughts? -- ferret ( talk) 17:05, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "TechRaptor" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This site was discussed before with only one response and no determined opinion on its reliability. But after it being mentioned in the GamerGate talk page I think it should get looked at again. At the very least it might fall under situational. GamerPro64 23:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: " Twinfinite" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I've seen this site used a couple of times so might as well get other peoples opinion on this site. They have a Resume and Review Policy so that might make things easier to determine. GamerPro64 03:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Khabal" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Well, this is an interesting find. Khabal came up in a recent AfD and it looks considerably professional for the time period (early 2000s). It was apparently an Asian video games website owned by the Internet portal Lycos and was sold in 2003—not sure how that affected its reporting. It appears to have had staff writers with real, full names, and the content does not appear user-submitted. I could use some help identifying the history of the publication and the credentials of its authors, but I thought it looked surprising good for something unknown to us. Here's a list of reviews. – czar 06:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Gamestyle" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
So besides being briefly discussed here many years ago, there hasn't been much consensus on its reliability here. Looks like a regular blog so I don't really see much reliability. GamerPro64 03:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I brought this up on another talk page, but I think it needs to be addressed more here. This recent article is promoted on the website, and while clearly an opinion piece by non-regulars to the site, there is no indication it is an opinion piece other than the 'contributor' header. Additionally the article's very title, stating a fact about the character and that we as an audience should "deal with it". raises some red flags for me that the site itself may not making a distinction between factual article and opinion pieces. Additionally looking through other articles on the site there is no distinction of such here: every article I click states "contributor", even when the website's own staff is involved.
At the very least I do feel this source needs to be regarded as situational and not considered entirely reliable, with a distinction being whether or not the cited member is a part of the website's direct staff or not. Thoughts on the subject?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 20:50, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Game Freaks 365" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk
Noticed a single editor has been adding this website as reference to game articles since 2009. From the brief search I've done, it is the editor's own personal blog. Assuredly, an unreliable source. So unless anyone contests I'm gonna go ahead and purge it from all articles. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 23:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Is this usable or not? My gut instinct is telling me no, since the about page doesn't really have a lot of info, but I figured that I should ask. I wanted to use this preview/review for a potential page on the Lakeview Cabin series. The site has been quoted by IBT, but that seems to be the only mention I can really find. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "GamersHell" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I've been seeing this website lately and have no idea what it is. To the point i thought it was called "GamerShell". Anyway, checking previous discussions doesn't help me believing its reliability ( 1, 2, 3). So does this meet criteria for reliability? GamerPro64 15:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Hobby Consolas" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
To start this site is in Spanish. I think this might be a good source from a perspective from a Spanish-speaking publication. GamerPro64 01:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Inside Mac Games" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
So I was checking up the sources that are considered reliable here and noticed that Inside Mac Games, currently marked reliable (✓), redirects to a forums board. I went on the Wayback Machine and its looks completely different from its current look ( 2011). This should either be considered situational if certain links work still or unreliable if all their previous articles were deleted and replaced with its current forums layout. GamerPro64 01:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "CinemaBlend" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Find video game sources: "Thunderbolt" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Thunderbolt's review scores are aggregated at Metacritic, [1] Rotten Tomatoes, [2] GameTab, [3] MobyGames [4] and Game Rankings, [5] where it is amongst the sites that are used to calculate average scores. [5] The site is also referenced by game publishers such as Atari [6] and 2K Games. [7] [8]
References
Find video game sources: "HonestGamers" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Want to confirm as ✗ unreliable. Their ethics page suggests that it's a self-run fan website with no professional expertise or reputation for accuracy. – czar 18:07, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
As a side note, Honest Gamers is currently used as a source in 17 articles. - X201 ( talk) 15:25, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Game Rant" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Another source that I've been seeing lately with no discussion on its reliability. Its own by Complex, just like GameRanx and seems to be run by two people so I have no clue. GamerPro64 02:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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Find video game sources: "Armed Gamer" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Stumble across this website while looking at an article. Can't really pinpoint its reliability as its probably a small website but that's why we have this page, right? GamerPro64 01:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, I'll run through the basic elements of my personal examination for the benefit of Smuckola's checklist question above. Important to note that this is a multi-factor test and none of these factors alone is dispositive.
Again, this is not a checklist, but a multi-factor test and each source should be considered on its individual merits. So opinions may vary and multi-editor consensus is required. - Thibbs ( talk) 14:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys. I'd be obliged if someone would be able to toss me a sentence or a link about why this section is supposedly allowed, if it is. Isn't it categorically going to violate WP:CRYSTALBALL unless there already exists some wide coverage by reliable sources of a super high profile title? And it'd have to definitely include only those which have Wikipedia articles. All of the titles currently in that section are either WP:CRYSTALBALL or straight nonexistent. Am I right? I have every inclination to delete the entire section and its contents. Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 12:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Zeldadungeon" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I've just written a Themes section for the Majora's Mask article (in the same style as the section seen in the Blade Runner FA), and used this source, specifically this article [1], to source interpretations on the game's theme of friendship and healing. I think it's a situational source and valid for my purpose, but I'd be interested in what you guys think. A link search reveals it's been linked from the Ocarina of Time FA so I assume it's okay, but I couldn't see it on this project's checklist. Autonova ( talk) 17:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Cracked" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Further to my discussion on Zeldadungeon above, I also used cracked.com, specifically this article [2], in sourcing a popular interpretation on Majora's Mask, which I included in the new Themes section. The site lists the identities of writers and editors ( [3]) and it seems reliable to me, but again I should let you guys have a look. Autonova ( talk) 17:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Here are some of the best places I've found for sources on classic video games, computers, and other things. But the other things often do include games and computers.
And there are archives of every kind of video game and computer software at Internet Archive. I've vaguely read that all of this is available via a temporary DMCA exemption, so I don't know whether it's suitable to link from WP:VGRS, but the software itself is a literary source. We're not distributing it here, but maybe could link to one who apparently legally does distribute it. I'll defer to someone who more thoroughly understands the facts. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 15:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Is the Metacritic User Score usable. I would think not, for similar reasons described at WP:MOSFILM#Audience response. However, I can't find a similar text about the audience response at, for example, WP:VG/S#Review sites. Where do I need to look, what is the guideline? -- 82.136.210.153 ( talk) 22:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Many sites allow users to submit content, like Wikipedia itself. These reviews are often not independent, and are not reliable because they have not been checked for factuality by an editor." WP:VG/RS is also subsidiary to the Wikipedia-wide guideline, WP:USERGENERATED. Which is pretty clear. I'd be open to suggestions to clarify/improve the language at WP:VG/S#Review sites, though, if you think it would help. Do you have a specific proposal for text to add? - Thibbs ( talk) 22:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
mmos
My impression is that MMOs.com should be considered unreliable. I am unable to find anything about editorial policies or control, and no author by-lines. In fact, according to their About Us page, they appear to use "free lance" writers rather than staff. Like "free lance", their articles are filled with spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors. They prominently link to specific, recommended games, which is probably advertising. And they're run by the founders of MMOHut, which is specifically considered unreliable by us. Other opinions before I revert? Woodroar ( talk) 16:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Before you revert the changes, take note that I've fixed numerous actual problems on various wiki pages as well as clarified things and was never warned up until today. I was adding value, not just spamming links. I may have gotten a bit ahead of myself, but please look at the actual changes. I've deleted dead links, removed a few obviously spam links, updated incorrect information, clarified / re-worded poorly written sentences and added official website links as sources. Plus many of game pages I edited had no references, and the official game pages don't mention the very specific content that was already talked about and needed a source. The links from wikipedia are no-follow anyway and don't pass on any search engine Juice, so there's nothing to gain aside from "click" traffic (which is literally 1 person a day from all articles. I genuinely thought I was enhancing these articles, had I been warned earlier I would have stopped and kept my edits simpler. My motivation behind the edits were to enhance the pages on Wikipedia, many of which were very out dated. EQ2/Planetside 2 didn't even update developer/publisher until I did it. I'd like to continue contributing if possible and would even do so without ever putting any sources if that's preferred. - MMOPhilosopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMOPhilosopher ( talk • contribs) 16:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I've added links to official game sources, ie. for Angels Online I cited their official site. I won't be adding any more links to mmos, I was under the impression that I was adding value since it was recent relevant source.. A lot of the obscure games like Angels Online will never be reviewed again by traditional gaming sources, and those games have all changed drastically over the years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMOPhilosopher ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "VGMdb" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I see this site often. It's user-submitted and unreliable, right? Any objections to listing it as such? czar ⨹ 14:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
The Polish entries were originally added as a result of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources/Archive 6#Proposal: pl.wiki VG RS Transclusion this discussion, copied from the analogous page on pl.wiki. For sake of completness, I now went and added links to the pl.wiki page so that users of this page can quickly learn what rationale was originally used to assess these sources. For the unreliable and situational sources, I had to link to an old revision of the pl.wiki page, because it had descriptions of non-reliable sources deleted back in 2013 by consensus. JudgeDeadd ( talk) 18:19, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I'd feel more comfortable if @ Thibbs were to review the changes before we accept them carte blanche. (I thought every wiki did their rules differently, too?) czar ⨹ 20:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)The one place I think we should differ from pl.wiki's RS determination is for situational sources. Because these sources require careful analysis for proper use, knowledge of polish would presumably be an important requirement and I think it's too much to expect WP:VG editors to navigate these sites in Polish.
I noticed that an IP added an entry for a website called 'GamesNosh' at Donkey Kong Country (an article I'm currently in the process of bringing up to GA). I've never heard of this website before and it's not even on WP:VG/RS. A quick look at its website doesn't do it any favours. Should it be deleted? ☠ JAG UAR ☠ 23:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "The Daily Dot" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I was under the impression that The Daily Dot was already seen as reliable based on its incidence in other articles, but I didn't see it on our list and its related pages at RSN were not favorable. Thoughts?
The Daily Dot’s first and most important responsibility is accuracy. We make reasonable efforts to verify information by publication time and we disclose to readers transparently what we do and do not know to be a fact.
— http://www.dailydot.com/ethics-policy/
The specific use I have in mind is its articles on eSports, specifically a team called Cloud9, in order to prove notability. Daily Dot gives the team way more coverage than any other site on our list. czar ⨹ 00:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "JayIsGames" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
There have been several past discussions about JayIsGames, but they were all in 2011 and earlier. The main consensus from them was that, due to the site accepting user reviews, it was a situational reliable source and, generally, only reviews by Jay Bibby, the creator, were considered reliable. I would like to point out that, since 2011, the site has hired several editorial staff members for the site. They still allow submitted user reviews, which will obviously not be considered reliable, but there are other reviews that I feel should be considered reliable. Obviously, any reviews by Jay Bibby, but I want to suggest also reviews by Dora Breckinridge, the Chief Editor of the site that manages the content and approves other reviews and also runs the official Twitter, to be considered reliable. She was hired on in 2012, after the previous VG/S discussions, so she wouldn't have been considered back then. Silver seren C 23:28, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "BuzzFeed" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
I'm surprised that Buzzfeed hasn't been discussed here before. But I've noticed that its used on a few pages. I don't personally find this site to be reliable at all, with its notoriety of click bait articles, and it being accused of plagiarism which I didn't know about until now. Just doesn't seem like the best choice to be used as a reliable source on this site at all. GamerPro64 01:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I've determined that the following sources are most likely reliable for eSports. I'm still trying to find non-English language sources that might be reliable.
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Find video game sources: "Gaming Trend" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Marking this as unreliable. About page:
Gaming Trend is an entirely independent wholly-owned website run by volunteers – this site is run by gamers, for gamers.
No editorial oversight. – czar 14:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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Defunct Games has come up on two occasions here with little dialogue. I don't see how the site could be reliable. Its main writer, Cyril Lachel, is most closely affiliated with Gaming Nexus, which we have marked as unreliable. Defunct's "about" page says nothing about editorial oversight and their "now hiring" page says even more in its title, posted in 2013: "Help Wanted: How to Work Really Hard for No Money" ... "We've grown into a website that cannot be run by one single person." Mark as unreliable. – czar 12:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Can this be added to unreliable sources? As far as I know, it's a database that relies on user submitted content. Site FAQ: [6], About: [7] -- The1337gamer ( talk) 22:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/ is the link. Is Gamesetwatch a reliable source? Qwertyxp2000 ( talk | contribs) 10:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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Their about page says their column was published in a couple of major publications, which I haven't verified, but the staff doesn't look too hot from the journalistic expertise side. I don't see the editorial oversight either... – czar 05:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing something on the page, I'm surprised GameCritics is not on the list of sources? I'm also here to ask if it's reliable, as I'm in the process of bringing an article up to GA with one of its reviews included. Its about us page has a list of critics and a philosophy, but even so, I'm still unsure if it can be used as a source. If it's already on the list of reliable sources as a different name or if it has been discussed about before, then I'm sorry to bring it up. JAG UAR 22:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Been seeing GameRanx being used lately (mostly for "Best of" list), while DualShockers I've have heard was reliable but there wasn't any real consensus on it.
GameRanx: http://www.gameranx.com
DualShockers: http://www.dualshockers.com
GamerPro64 02:01, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Hm, how much is relevant to be cited by other RSes? It's cited by CNET, Time , VG247, GameZone, GameSpot, among others according to the WP:VG/RS searching tool ( [10], [11]). Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Do we have a stance on Dorkly? They seem to have their own staff], though not that big of one, and are apparently owned by the same people who do College Humor. I'm not overly familiar with their work though. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 13:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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Saw this on the Hatred (video game) page. Recalling that Jim Sterling left The Escapist a couple of months ago, as well as him formally from Destructoid, there may be some reliability from him. Like Robert Christgau for music. Though it just being a WordPress website does make it come off more as a blog. GamerPro64 04:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Bumping this for a bit more attention, as he was briefly used at Fallout Shelter till being removed in favor of IGN as a better source. The archives suggests that nearly 5 years ago there was one lengthy-ish section about him, with a lot of back and forth that seemed mostly tied to personal taste of him. -- ferret ( talk) 01:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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Currently CinemaBlend isn't considered reliable due to this discussion five years ago. However, it also has a question mark next to it on the checklist. The site doesn't seem too bad in terms of reliability. Would at least consider it Situational. GamerPro64 21:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Previous discussions of Arcade History found it to be a fansite with no editorial backing. Does it make sense to have this as an external link template when we have KLOV and Moby, which appear to be better alternatives by every measure? – czar 03:36, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "That VideoGame Blog" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Discussed briefly once before, but wanted to confirm that this site is unreliable so it gets the X. No reputation for fact-checking or reliability. Writers page, no editorial policy. – czar 16:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I've spotted this quite a bit lately, but someone was specifically calling it out as a "random blog" and removing Gamesindustry.biz sources due to the fact that they reference it. My position in that particular case is that Gamesindustry is a reliable source, so we presume they vetted it.
That said, I'm not sure Super Data Research might not be a reliable source in and of itself... thoughts? -- ferret ( talk) 17:05, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "TechRaptor" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
This site was discussed before with only one response and no determined opinion on its reliability. But after it being mentioned in the GamerGate talk page I think it should get looked at again. At the very least it might fall under situational. GamerPro64 23:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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I've seen this site used a couple of times so might as well get other peoples opinion on this site. They have a Resume and Review Policy so that might make things easier to determine. GamerPro64 03:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Khabal" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Well, this is an interesting find. Khabal came up in a recent AfD and it looks considerably professional for the time period (early 2000s). It was apparently an Asian video games website owned by the Internet portal Lycos and was sold in 2003—not sure how that affected its reporting. It appears to have had staff writers with real, full names, and the content does not appear user-submitted. I could use some help identifying the history of the publication and the credentials of its authors, but I thought it looked surprising good for something unknown to us. Here's a list of reviews. – czar 06:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
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So besides being briefly discussed here many years ago, there hasn't been much consensus on its reliability here. Looks like a regular blog so I don't really see much reliability. GamerPro64 03:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I brought this up on another talk page, but I think it needs to be addressed more here. This recent article is promoted on the website, and while clearly an opinion piece by non-regulars to the site, there is no indication it is an opinion piece other than the 'contributor' header. Additionally the article's very title, stating a fact about the character and that we as an audience should "deal with it". raises some red flags for me that the site itself may not making a distinction between factual article and opinion pieces. Additionally looking through other articles on the site there is no distinction of such here: every article I click states "contributor", even when the website's own staff is involved.
At the very least I do feel this source needs to be regarded as situational and not considered entirely reliable, with a distinction being whether or not the cited member is a part of the website's direct staff or not. Thoughts on the subject?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 20:50, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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Noticed a single editor has been adding this website as reference to game articles since 2009. From the brief search I've done, it is the editor's own personal blog. Assuredly, an unreliable source. So unless anyone contests I'm gonna go ahead and purge it from all articles. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 23:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Is this usable or not? My gut instinct is telling me no, since the about page doesn't really have a lot of info, but I figured that I should ask. I wanted to use this preview/review for a potential page on the Lakeview Cabin series. The site has been quoted by IBT, but that seems to be the only mention I can really find. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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I've been seeing this website lately and have no idea what it is. To the point i thought it was called "GamerShell". Anyway, checking previous discussions doesn't help me believing its reliability ( 1, 2, 3). So does this meet criteria for reliability? GamerPro64 15:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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To start this site is in Spanish. I think this might be a good source from a perspective from a Spanish-speaking publication. GamerPro64 01:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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So I was checking up the sources that are considered reliable here and noticed that Inside Mac Games, currently marked reliable (✓), redirects to a forums board. I went on the Wayback Machine and its looks completely different from its current look ( 2011). This should either be considered situational if certain links work still or unreliable if all their previous articles were deleted and replaced with its current forums layout. GamerPro64 01:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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Find video game sources: "Thunderbolt" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Thunderbolt's review scores are aggregated at Metacritic, [1] Rotten Tomatoes, [2] GameTab, [3] MobyGames [4] and Game Rankings, [5] where it is amongst the sites that are used to calculate average scores. [5] The site is also referenced by game publishers such as Atari [6] and 2K Games. [7] [8]
References
Find video game sources: "HonestGamers" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Want to confirm as ✗ unreliable. Their ethics page suggests that it's a self-run fan website with no professional expertise or reputation for accuracy. – czar 18:07, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
As a side note, Honest Gamers is currently used as a source in 17 articles. - X201 ( talk) 15:25, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Game Rant" – news · books · scholar · images – VGRS · WPVG Talk · LinkSearch · CrossWiki · LinkTo
Another source that I've been seeing lately with no discussion on its reliability. Its own by Complex, just like GameRanx and seems to be run by two people so I have no clue. GamerPro64 02:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)