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I was going to remove an urbanrail.net ( http://www.urbanrail.net/) reference, per WP:SPS and WP:CIRCULAR, but then discovered that there are hundreds of references to the website, and several other references quoting books and other works by Robert Schwandl (its maintainer). Is it me being paranoid, or can anyone vouch for the website? Tim PF ( talk) 22:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi railfans,
What is your opinion of the utility of railroadsignals.us? A COI editor added it to a bunch of pages today, which were promptly reverted. Researching shows it is on a handful of other pages. It likely passes WP:EL (though not WP:RS), but.. does it offer something that doesn't exist elsewhere? Are there copyright issues? Does it offer utility? It doesn't seem like outright spam, so the overall suitability is best left up to knowledgeable folks like yourselves. tedder ( talk) 20:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
A WP:CFD regarding Category:Defunct railway stations and its subcategories has been raised at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 May 30#Category:Defunct railway stations. Please discuss there. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I've started work on Canoe River train wreck. Sourced information will be welcome, and I'll double what I paid the last guys (unhappily, they did not get paid). Better yet, any images which are arguably in the public domain. I think I can get this at least to GA, maybe to FA, not sure yet. Please reply here, or better, on my talk page. Most of what I have is either contemporary clippings or is by Diefenbaker's biographers.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 15:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
An issue regarding the Athens Metro and ISAP articles was brought up at WP:AN#Athens Metro the other day. Although it was decided that no admin intervention was needed, these two articles may benefit from fresh eyes on them. Mjroots ( talk) 05:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
I've created articles for Kenya and Uganda Railways and Harbours and the East African ferries MV Kabalega, MV Pemba, MV Uhuru, MV Victoria, PS Lugard II, PS Speke, SS Robert Coryndon, SS Rusinga and SS Usoga. I've also revised and expanded articles for the Uganda Railway, East African Railways and Harbours Corporation, Uganda Railways Corporation, MV Kaawa and MV Umoja.
However, the Kaawa, Kabalega and Pemba articles still lack a lot of basic technical data. I have been unable to find out what company in what country built them, at what dates and what their yard numbers, dimensions and tonnages are. There are also remarkably disparate claims as to how many railway wagons each ferry can carry – although of course this may depend on the length of the wagons.
The Uganda Railway also had paddle steamers called PS Stanley (1910) and PS Grant (1925) that I think plied the Victoria Nile and Lake Kyoga and PS Lugard (1927) that plied the Albert Nile until Lugard II replaced her. Unfortunately I've been unable to find enough material online to create articles for any of these ships, so I would be grateful for any help in this direction. Motacilla ( talk) 13:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I have no knowledge with which to evaluate the accuracy of this post at the Editor Assistance Request board pointing out an apparent contradiction or inaccuracy in BR Standard Class 9F 92020-9. See WP:EAR#Franco-crosti boilered 9F BR locos for details. I would be very appreciative if someone who knows something about trains could take a look at the article and thought this would be the place to ask. -- Danger ( talk) 15:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
There's a proposal to create a Shanghai Metro wikiproject, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Shanghai Metro. 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 08:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Didn't want to change it if it was 'wrong' for a reason, but Thorrington has two r's Thorington_railway_station
Its right in the text, but the page title is wrong, and noticed it wrong on the Alresford rail page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.68.66 ( talk) 16:21, 16 June 2011
I wondered why this category exists. Even deducting the former broad gauge GWR mileage that was "standardised" this must cover the majority of track in England. If you do include ex GWR broad gauge mileage then I would think that it would cover such a high percentage of English track mileage that it's not very helpful. Comments? Britmax ( talk) 21:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The Lackawanna Cut-Off article has been brought up at WP:DRN. Maybe some fresh eyes on the matter will help resolve the dispute? Mjroots ( talk) 08:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I've just started 1944 Ilford rail crash, moved Ilford rail crash into a disambiguation page and moved its content to 1915 Ilford rail crash. If anyone wants to add to my feeble stub, please do. Totnesmartin ( talk) 15:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:RailGauge#Verifiability. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I need to place {{ WP India}} in Category:Rail transport in India . Can anyone help me ? -- naveenpf ( talk) 03:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Anybody know why this is empty or what it covered? Simply south.... .. digging mountains for 5 years 09:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
can someone cleanup Lightweight rail ? (or redirect it to light rail) It's up for deletion 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 05:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I've been doing some research for a future article on the Amtrak Chesapeake, when I stumbled upon a former railroad station in Maryland called "Jericho Park"( http://www.timetables.org/full.php?group=19801026&item=0020) between Odenton (MARC station) and the Bowie Railroad Buildings. It's mentioned in the segment on "Connecting Local Rail Passenger Services in the Northeast," and besides MBTA Commuter Rail and the Long Island Rail Road, it shows systems that evolved into Metro-North Railroad, New Jersey Transit Rail Operations, SEPTA Regional Rail, and MARC Train. So what was the story with that one? ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:12, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Should I add Category:Standard gauge railways in Canada to Canadian National Railway, despite the fact that they had 3'6" gauges on Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia in the past? Also, the Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railway is listed as having standard gauge in the infobox, but has the category of a 4"10" gauge of some sort. What's up with that one? ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous IP(67.173.175.77) has been posting opening years throughout articles on Metra stations. While some of them seem plausible, others are doubtful, and in some cases don't seem right at all. Can anybody here provide concrete evidence of accurate original opening dates? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Hallo, I have changed the "DB City Night Line" article. Could anyone review it and maybe remove the "Stubb" comment? I would also be grateful for comments on it.
Another topic: The name "DB City Night Line" itself is wrong: The brand name is simply "City Night Line" without DB (the "DB XY is only used for what DB calls "Brands" like DB Regio. Products like ICE, IC, CNL, CallaBike etc. have no DB. Can anyone rename it?
Thanks for your help, -- Alex 60489 ( talk) 11:00, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
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Both are lists of unclear meaning which are either difficult to verify, or would end up as a list of practically (50% of) everything.. Imgaril ( talk) 09:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Good prods. I stumbled across those before and just walked away because it would have taken so much effort to fix/complete them. I think wikipedia is better off without them; they'd be a timesink (and a source of controversy) at best. bobrayner ( talk) 10:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Within the past two years, I was able to gain support for the merging of two stations into two others; In the Autumn of 2009, I called for the merger of Wellesley Hills (Boston and Albany station) into Wellesley Hills (MBTA station). The next year I revised my call to merge Marshall (Amtrak station) with the Texas and Pacific Railroad Depot (Marshall, Texas), and many of you convinced me that the Amtrak station name should be merged into the T&P Depot name. What both of these stations have in common is that the duplicates had the same addresses as the articles they were merged into. It just so happens that the Harvey House Railroad Depot in Barstow, California( http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Page&code=BAR) has the same address as the Western America Railroad Museum( http://www.barstowrailmuseum.org/). So if the Barstow Route 66 "Mother Road" Museum, which shares the same building but not the same address isn't a factor, why can't the Western America Railroad Museum be a chapter in the Harvey House Railroad Depot? ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
G'day all; like aviation-related articles, some rail articles use National Transportation Safety Board accident reports as sources. The NTSB changed all the URLs for these reports a few weeks back, with the result that when the refs are clicked a page saying "where's my cheese?" is now displayed. The old URLs are "ntsb.gov/publictn/[yyyy]/"; if you change this to "ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/[yyyy]/" as in this edit, the link will work again. I have done this about 15 times so far in air crash articles, maritime accident articles, rail-related articles and an article dealing with pipeline accidents, and it fixed the link each time, although in a couple of cases, for example as in this edit, I had to change ".htm" to ".pdf" as well. However you need to test the links as at the moment the NTSB website has a notice that only reports since 1996 are available so far, and I have found a couple of instances where reports dating from 1996 are not available under the new URL yet. Cheers YSSYguy ( talk) 01:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Although there was a Wickham station on this line there is no article (at least none than I can find) and all links reference Wickham station in NSW, Australia. I am happy to set up a stub for the UK Wickham station based on the limited information I have and fix the links. Not sure how best to name the station to differentiate from Wickham station in NSW. Phileadie ( talk) 15:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
The name Tornado was suggested by Allen Levy a Director of New Cavendish Books in 1990.Narisa Chakrabongse Allen Levy's fellow Director was involved with the A1 negotiations at this time Originally in return for a £50,000 donation the locomotive would be named 'New Cavendish'. However formation of the A! Trust was in abeyance and it was Allen Levy who wrote to the then Chairman David Champion and suggested that the project would advance and be more marketable with the name 'Tornado' and the then committee endorsed this suggestion.
New Cavendish produced the original Covenant Forms for the eventual Trust. Both original sponsers attended the first chassis unveiling of Tornado at Darlington in 1996. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.108.196 ( talk) 23:01, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I would like to improve the way train service details are represented in articles about railway stations in the Netherlands and other countries. Old revision of Groningen railway station is an example of the present situation, see the "Train services" section. It's very detailed, every station that you can reach directly from Groningen is listed. But I think especially the table looks horrible, and information is repeated in the succession templates in the same section. I've been testing some ideas on a smaller railway station: Old revision of Meerssen railway station. I've moved the station listings to the succession navbox. The station listings are collapsed for clarity. The navbox retrieves the lists of stations from templates (e.g. {{ NS stops 32000}}) to make maintenance easier (if a station is renamed, you only have to change it in a few places). Before I do the same in other articles: do you think this is an improvement, and are there things that could be improved further? Probably the Dutch expressions "sneltrein" and "stoptrein" should be translated, and I'm not sure the train series numbers (32000 and 32100 in the example) should be shown. Markussep Talk 13:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Markussep, that looks great! Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 20:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2011/August/18#Rail_-.3E_Rail_transport — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imgaril ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 28 August 2011
An editor has proposed changing the Category:Rail transport in the United States and subcategories to use the word "transportation" instead of "transport" using WP:ENGVAR as his rationale. This editor has made several other proposals related to categories for other modes of transportation as well. Please take a moment to join the discussion. Slambo (Speak) 11:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Bobrayner ( talk · contribs) has removed all flags from the various lists of railway accidents, claiming WP:MOSFLAG as the rationale. The recent RfC on the issue did not come down against such use of flags. As a number of lists are affected, this is best discussed in a central venue. Should the lists use flags or not? Mjroots ( talk) 04:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Do not emphasize nationality without good reason
Wikipedia is not a place for nationalistic pride. Flags are visually striking, and placing a national flag next to something can make its nationality or location seem to be of greater significance than other things...
There are other features that have now been added to the RDTs such as level crossings and summits. I just think in some situations, not on all templates though, it may be useful to show when the track is a single track. I know this has been discussed a while ago but I would like like to reopen this debate again. I have created File:BSicon_STRs.png which someone kindly converted to .svg so it needs a little tweaking to make it continuous but what do others think? Simply south.... .. eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 11:26, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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Redrose64 (
talk) 22:56, 24 August 2011 (UTC)The original version I suggested I thought would only really needed to the straight sections and I was trying to create the icon based off what I'd seen in the British Railway Atlas. Couldn't something similar be done (for those who have the book, I misjudged it)? Simply south.... .. eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 19:45, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, thinking about it, Britmax is right. These are supposed to be quick reference diagrams, not full scale track maps showing every detail. Frankly, some of the grade crossings, overpasses, highways, etc could easily be removed as trivial. These were never meant to be that comprehensive. oknazevad ( talk) 23:06, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
A bit of an oddity, a steam-electric locomotive. I've made a start at Heilmann locomotive, but assistance in further improving the article is welcome, particularly in expanding the infoboxes and fully describing the power system. Mjroots ( talk) 05:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I was asked a question on my talk page which is outside my knowledge:
If someone knows the correct answer or which source is the most authoritative (not necessarily one of those listed) to please post a reply on the article talk page: Talk:Tom Thumb (locomotive) -- PBS ( talk) 21:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
The purpose of this may not be clear to those not familiar with EU Directive 91/440 - A few are missing from Europe. I'm not sure if this would make any sense for N. American railroads since they own their own track, no idea about S. America. Please expand, correct etc. Imgaril ( talk) 22:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking a template organization similar to Template:Professional Baseball, where nested groups of continent then country allow all leagues in a country (and level) might be a good idea. Just a thought. oknazevad ( talk) 15:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
A request for an article distributed traction (I suppose a wiktionary definition might also be valid, but there is extensive scope for an article) - a start stub would help .. already several potential incoming links [10] with clear scope for growth. volunteers only please ! Imgaril ( talk) 19:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Because all or most of the 70 Metro Rail station articles are stubs, it would be helpful to include a section for train departure times and distance from other stations. However, the format I am currently using (at Redondo Beach (Los Angeles Metro station)) seems kind of long. If anyone has a brilliant idea to shorten the long lists of departure times, I would be happy to hear from you before I go on to expand the other 69 articles. I've considered a stem-and-leaf plot, but in that case, it might not be easy to write the difference in time since the last departure. Thanks! Pkkao2 ( talk) 03:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Green Line service hours are approximately from 5:00 AM until 12:45 AM daily.
It's already covered by the Silver Line succession boxes on the stations along the Harbor Transitwa, isn't it? After the creation of the joint Silver Line, the Transitway no longer appears on maps in a distinct color. And any other bus routes that ply the Transitway serve the same stops, so I don't think any distinct succession boxes are necessary. oknazevad ( talk) 05:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
I am interested in starting new articles on extant and disused rail lines in the USA (on much the same way as every line in the UK has been described). This would enable articles on Depots to be linked to the line they are/were on, and predecessor and succesor railroads to be linked to them (see the UK Far North Line for a good example on this).
I propose to use the publicity maps produced by the railroads themselves in the 1930s to define which are primary and branch lines. The 1930s being the greatest extent of the railroad network in the USA.
When I first did work on Wikipedia this would have been relatively easy. Copy the format from an existing article and edit the text as appropriate. Now I find the existing articles so complex in structure that this is not possible. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Wikipedia is losing editors.
I would appreciate someone contacting me on my talk page with advice on this issue. I particularly want to draft my articles over a period of several weeks in Word and then paste them into a Wikipedia editing page. This seems now to be a problematic method given the existance of transcluded boxes used to sumerise and illustrate the line.
Thanks in advance for the assistance
-- Wickifrank ( talk) 13:52, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
The article Chief Mechanical Engineer has been listed at WP:RM. Please discuss at Talk:Chief Mechanical Engineer#Requested move. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 16:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
There are two images I was forced to add to the commons sooner than I wanted to;
I was hoping to give them better names before moving them there, but Fbot tagged them with orphan tags, which I know would've lead to deletion tags later on. What I need to know is the exact locations of each of these pictures. I uploaded two similar ones to the commons a while back, but after some examination, I was able to give them decent names before doing so. Originally all four had names that were worse than that("File:IMG some random numbers.JPG"). So can anybody tell me where these trains are, other than in Michigan City, Indiana? Google Street View isn't helping with those two. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
We need to get more about my sub-topic (steam locomotives at portal:Steam locomotives), so I would like to request that the page have more content added. That would be a great help to the community! Thanks! Levonscott User talk:Levonscott User:Levonscott 04:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I would like to put some of my photos onto the page for Hamilton railway station, New South Wales. I haven't been able to work out how to add or change photos while adjusting a page. Could someone help me with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.26.241 ( talk) 02:10, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm propose to discuss the contribution "00:20, 28 November 2010 BIL":
He put information that distance from Obskaya to Harasaway is 677 km. What is source of it? I have another information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timotv ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Copy from the commons: Smiley.toerist ( talk) 18:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I recently made a trip to the Givet - charleville-Mezieres railway. It is a old railway where points are served from a central ground frame. The transmission of the lever movement is very unusual. It is not transmitted with wires but with metal bars. I have uploaded a lot of pictures: see [11]. I see categorys for points and "Levers and drives for points", however no categorys for the transmission of movement/energy?. There where lots wire transmissions with wires but I can find no pictures in the commons about it. What is the correct name for this type of system? What are the names for individual parts like the 90 degree turns based on turning axe?
How should this type of system be metaclassified? Energy transmission system? We have electric transmission, High pressure air transmission, hydraulic transmission, moving belt transmission used in old factorys. Moving wire tramsmission and what about the brake in bicycles? I make the distinction between energie and signal transmission. The signal transmission is when local power is used and energy transmission is when al energy needed for the action is transmitted centraly. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 11:20, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Here in the US, I'd call that a "mechanical interlocking". See [12]. (Note that in the US, we tend to blur the distinction between the interlocking machine, containing the logic to prevent signals and points from conflicting, and the interlocking plant as a whole, including those points, signals, and their controls.) "Rail transport traffic control" is probably the correct Commons category. In American practice, the metal parts transmitting motion are called "rods"; I believe the part making the 90-degree turn is a bell crank. I suppose the Commons category "Transmissions" could accommodate this, too; I don't know that there are enough pictures to inspire a really detailed subclassification. Choess ( talk) 21:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I have created the category "Rod transmissions for points". Double wire systems can transmit a considerable force, but the wires have to move a lot more then than the rods to compensate. I suggest "Wire transmissions in railways" for the wire systems (For points and signals).Lets wait until there are pictures to classify. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 08:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I've created a series of historical route diagrams showing the evolution of the MBTA's Orange Line. I would appreciate comments about where to place them here. Thanks! Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 22:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Will somebody fix the colors for Template:METRORail color? All the stations show up white, when the majority should be red. I'm also having trouble finding all the templates that should be added to Category:Minnesota rail succession templates, plus there are Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad templates that are neither line nor succession templates, and yet they are categorized as one or the other. These have to be moved and split off. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
For many of the Lists of named passenger trains in the US, Canada, and Mexico, I found this as a source. It's not necessarily complete, but it has some good info. Let me know if you find any of it useful. ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
User:SchuminWeb seems to be on an fair-use image-deleting campaign against a series of railroad articles. I have reverted some of them for discussion as I think his principles are not entirely consistent with the rationales he is using to justify their removal. Mangoe ( talk) 13:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at TfD about what to do with terminal subpages of {{ S-line}} that are unused. Feel free to comment. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 21:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully someone here may be able to help, as the Rapid Transit project appears to be inactive. There is a current disagreement over the motors used on trains. The page has said for quite some time that the motors are Bombardier MITRAC. However, an editor has recently claimed (with reference to a vague claim on a linkedin profile) that the motor are Mitsubishi Electric (along with the HVAC system). Unfortunately I cannot find reference to either in reliable sources, and TransLink has taken down their canadaline.ca website. Does anyone know which is used, and for that matter have reference to all of the specs of the trains, as there currently is no references period. Any help would be appreciated. Ravendrop 21:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I finally found all templates related to the Buffalo Metro Rail and added them to Category:New York rail succession templates, and there are enough of them to shift them to a new template category. My question is though, should I call this new category Buffalo Metro Rail templates, or should I go with Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority rail templates, in the event that Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority tries to install another railroad in Niagara Falls, New York, whether it's light rail, monorail, people mover, or even Bus Rapid Transit? ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
WP:NRHP is having a Fall Photo Contest running from Oct. 21-Dec. 4, 2011. I'd like to encourage anybody who enjoys photography, as well as anybody who is interested in historic places to participate as a photographer, a sponsor, or both.
One way that an individual editor or a project can participate is to sponsor their own challenge. For example, somebody here might want to include a challenge such as "A barnstar will be awarded to the photographer who adds the most photos to the NRHP county lists of previously non-illustrated NRHP sites that include locomotives, rail cars, and train stations." To sponsor a challenge all you need to do is come up with an idea, post it on the contest page, and do the small bit of work needed to judge the winner(s).
Any and all contributions appreciated.
Smallbones ( talk) 03:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
I noticed a few mistakes in the French railway signalling page but I would like to have advice before initiating a modification.
In section : The signals for "sectionnement" ( in indications for electric locomotives) is correct but the comment "This sign indicates a change of electrical section (change of voltage)" is wrong. The sign indicates only that the engineer will have to open the main circuit breaker to cross a neutral zone with no electrical supply, but it does not mean that a change of current or voltage will follow. On the contrary, most often, current will be the same onwards. The two zones (the one that will be left and the one that will be reached) are fed by two different electric plants (or stations) and for AC current, the phase of one station may differ from that of the other station, which is why a neutral zone has to be implemented.
In the same section, the name of the two next signs (beginning of netural zone and end of neutral zone) are OK. However this comment is only partly correct "...electric locomotives must pass with the main circuit breaker open and pantograph lowered". Indeed main circuit breaker should be open, but there is no need to lower pantograph except if the sign "lower pantograph" is posted. As a consequence, this other comment is partly right "This sign indicates the end of a neutral zone; electric locomotives can close the main circuit breaker open and raise the pantograph". There is no need to raise the "panto" as it may already been raised. Of course, if the engineer has met a sign "lower panto", he will meet another sign "raise panto" after the section.
Hope my technical english is correct ;-) ...
Yves D - Oct 10th 22:11 Paris time
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Can somebody try to find more info on the GE boxcabs? Thanks Jonathan is me ( talk) 23:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to drum up some discussion at Talk:Cardinal (train)#Image to use in infobox about the sorts of images we ought to use in infoboxes about train routes. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 00:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
The campaigners do have a point--in a situation like that an image adds very little (leaving aside all questions of licensing). Another example would be Maple Leaf, where I was able to replace a Genesis noodling around Toronto with an F40PH crossing the Whirlpool Bridge. I'm trying to assess all the current Amtrak articles since free images should either exist already or can be easily obtained/created. Mackensen (talk) 01:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, yesterday I edited Holly Springs, Mississippi, writing it was conquered in the civil war because it had a railroad intersection. Today I wanted to find out which were they. It was easy enough to find Illinois Central Railroad, and finally I tracked down Kansas City, Memphis and Birmingham Railroad as the earliest incarnation of the other line with a WP page. Trying to find its predecessor, I got to some wartime maps and discovered that none such appears there. [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] Is it a definite proof the line wasn't there? When was it laid and opened? trespassers william ( talk) 01:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
There are effectively no citations for Geared steam locomotive. Can someone add some? Thanks, Jonathan is me ( talk) 01:32, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
What are the criteria for inclusion in Category:Airport railway stations and its national subcategories? I see that Metro/Airport (VTA) is in Category:Airport railway stations in the United States, while Santa Clara Station (California) isn't - even though neither one is in the airport ( San Jose International Airport), and the same bus (VTA bus 10) goes from one to the other via the airport. It seems to me that these 2 articles equally belong in this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
I've always understood the category to mean a direct connection to the airport–either the station is in the same building, or there's a connecting walkway, or a dedicated shuttle bus (as with O'Hare Transfer (Metra)). Mackensen (talk) 22:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, as a developer of ShareMap.org project I want to encourage all users of WikiTrains project to try this tool too create maps for their rail related articles.
ShareMap is a tool that allows to create map on CC-BY-SA license, you can find more information of ShareMap Wikimedia Commons and discussion page.
Recently ShareMap introduced Open Street Map import tool, so map creator doesn't have to draw railway lines, but can import lines from Open Street Map using XAPI queries.
ShareMap as community tool is still in beta phase, so any feedback is warmly welcome.
Example of railway map created with ShareMap:
-- Jkan997 ( talk) 21:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello! a new user named Lee480 ( talk · contribs) has been creating articles for what I believe are specific trains (not makes or models but a specific vehicle). I almost nominated the first one I found as an A1 but I'm almost positive it's about trains. I have no idea what to do with these articles as I'm not sure if there's a precedent that's be set for such articles (there's certainly no specific inclusion guideline for such). I thought this Wikiproject would know the best solution. I suspect that the user may be from Kawasaki Heavy Industries as all of the trains are manufactured by that company but that could be circumstantial. OlYeller21 Talktome 18:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
{{ Dutch Railway station}} has been nominated for deletion as being unused. This is a boilerplate template used to create a Dutch railway station article. It is either supposed to be substituted or used as a preload when creating a new article.
Does you project have an article wizard that loads this as a preload? Or do you have instructions on how to create an article with a substitution boilerplate for creating such articles?
65.94.77.11 ( talk) 04:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
It is very common for several countries or railway companies to have locomotives with the same class number on the lines of "Class XX". Generally these are disambiguated by inserting the company name in front e.g. " British Rail Class 25", " South African Railways Class 25" or " DRG Class 25". Where necessary, there is a dab page called "Class XX" which links to all the options. Recently " Class 66", which links to 3 locos and a submarine has been turned into a redirect to " British Rail Class 66" which itself appears to be a disputed title. Meanwhile the dab page has become " Class 66 (disambiguation)". This implies that the British Rail loco is more notable than the others, which seems dubious. Before this practice spreads, can we seek a consensus. My view FWIW is that, unless a loco is particularly famous, the dab page should remain at "Class XX". -- Bermicourt ( talk) 20:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I've gone over to the dark side and listed an image at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files: Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2011 November 11#File:Mkt153ags.jpg. I'd like to get some eyeballs here because I suspect we have other images with a similarly unclear status. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 13:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. I wanted to alert you folks to a related CfD I've created at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_12#Category:Alternatives_to_conventional_railways. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I've opened a merge discussion for Indianapolis Union Station and Indianapolis (Amtrak station) at Talk:Indianapolis Union Station#Merger proposal. Comments welcomed. Mackensen (talk) 14:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Was there ever a class on Durango And Silverton called the K-18? I think I heard something about it once somewhere. Thanks, Jonathan is me ( talk) 05:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Eleven articles and one template, all having "rail gauge" in their titles have been listed at WP:RM for renaming to the same titles but with "track gauge" instead, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions#November 25, 2011 and Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions#November 24, 2011. Please follow the "Discuss" links to leave comments. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:58, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I am very surprised, there is no page on the Utah Belt RR. Can I have a group of people help on making one? I just don't have the time to do it myself.
Thanks, Jonathan is me ( talk) 17:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I am not sure if I am on the right talk page (if not I apologise) but I need some help on finding the instructions on how to make a template about a railwayline. So far I managed to work on templates of single lines but when it comes to parallel or multiple lines and I need to use the various BS3-4-5 I can't just make it work. Anybody can direct me to the right help/instruction page?? or explain breifly how it works? Any help is appreciated! Thanks.-- Sal73x ( talk) 19:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
There is also a Milwaukee Road H10-44 in excellent cosmetic condition at the Brodhead, Wisconsin Museum. It sports number 781 and was built in 1950. I have no indication of operational condition but it sits on an isolated track with Milwaukee Road Caboose 01900.
Last month I called for the merger of Old Orlando Railroad Depot into Church Street Station (Orlando). Both article are for the same building, although the Church Street Station article focuses a lot on post railroad station development. So far I've received no reply. I'm also going to post this in the NRHP project. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
We need a list of locos that the Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy railroad had. Jonathan is me ( talk) 01:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I've added some more information to the Chippenham station on the services. ( Chip123456 ( talk) 19:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC))
I'm a little bit surprised that the stats given for locomotives don't list maximum mechanical output power. Jack Waugh ( talk) 13:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
{{
infobox locomotive}}
template has a parameter |poweroutput=
|poweroutput=
parameter, but they should be qualified, i.e. |poweroutput=3,000 bhp (2,200 kW) (1-hr)
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Redrose64 (
talk) 14:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)This page needs a lot of work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-8-8-2. Jonathan is me ( talk) 06:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know why?© Geni 16:25, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Huh? Can you give an example? Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 17:58, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I haven't found one yet although I haven't been through my whole list. So if you would please, that would be a help. Britmax ( talk) 19:45, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
It's pretty small... Jonathan is me ( talk) 00:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I should probably bring this to WikiProject:National Register of Historic Places as well, but there are at least a dozen articles about stations listed on the NRHP that have no railroads attached to them, mostly in New Jersey and Connecticut. They include the following;
I could probably guess which railroads these stations belonged to, but that's about all I can do. And I'm probably missing some that aren't on this list. Does anybody else know which railroads they served. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The current {{ S-line}} does not have any option to hide the word "toward" which causes trouble to line without terminus such as loop or circular line. I want your comments on the new parameter to disable the word. -- Sameboat - 同舟 ( talk) 23:41, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks. I just wanted to make you aware of something I only recently became aware of myself. Turntable used to be a disambiguation page that included a link to Railway turntable. It's now been changed to a redirect to Phonograph, so railway articles should not link directly to it. [[Railway turntable|turntable]] is my recommended alternative, and a couple of days ago I fixed a number of railway articles by piping them to Railway turntable. Best regards, -- Tkynerd ( talk) 19:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
{{
redirect|Turntable}}
. A common practice with dab pages without a primary topic is that [[Foo]]
is the actual dab page, and [[Foo (disambiguation)]]
is the redirect to the dab page (see
WP:DABNAME). In that way, when the dab page is to be deliberately linked, the link is made through the redirect, i.e. to [[Foo (disambiguation)]]
; thus, any accidental links to [[Foo]]
may be detected easily. --
Redrose64 (
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I suggest that Turntable (rail) should not have been moved to Railway turntable: the commonly used name is "Turntable", not "Railway turntable". See Talk:Railway turntable. Pam D 09:08, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
See here. — GFOLEY FOUR!— 05:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Please take a look at User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help the National Archives ExtravaSCANza. My hope is that the success of this event will ensure that others will be organized in the future, even without Dominic as a Wikipedian-in-Residence, so we all benefit from the high-quality, formerly non-digitized media uploaded to the Commons. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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I was going to remove an urbanrail.net ( http://www.urbanrail.net/) reference, per WP:SPS and WP:CIRCULAR, but then discovered that there are hundreds of references to the website, and several other references quoting books and other works by Robert Schwandl (its maintainer). Is it me being paranoid, or can anyone vouch for the website? Tim PF ( talk) 22:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi railfans,
What is your opinion of the utility of railroadsignals.us? A COI editor added it to a bunch of pages today, which were promptly reverted. Researching shows it is on a handful of other pages. It likely passes WP:EL (though not WP:RS), but.. does it offer something that doesn't exist elsewhere? Are there copyright issues? Does it offer utility? It doesn't seem like outright spam, so the overall suitability is best left up to knowledgeable folks like yourselves. tedder ( talk) 20:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
A WP:CFD regarding Category:Defunct railway stations and its subcategories has been raised at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 May 30#Category:Defunct railway stations. Please discuss there. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I've started work on Canoe River train wreck. Sourced information will be welcome, and I'll double what I paid the last guys (unhappily, they did not get paid). Better yet, any images which are arguably in the public domain. I think I can get this at least to GA, maybe to FA, not sure yet. Please reply here, or better, on my talk page. Most of what I have is either contemporary clippings or is by Diefenbaker's biographers.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 15:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
An issue regarding the Athens Metro and ISAP articles was brought up at WP:AN#Athens Metro the other day. Although it was decided that no admin intervention was needed, these two articles may benefit from fresh eyes on them. Mjroots ( talk) 05:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
I've created articles for Kenya and Uganda Railways and Harbours and the East African ferries MV Kabalega, MV Pemba, MV Uhuru, MV Victoria, PS Lugard II, PS Speke, SS Robert Coryndon, SS Rusinga and SS Usoga. I've also revised and expanded articles for the Uganda Railway, East African Railways and Harbours Corporation, Uganda Railways Corporation, MV Kaawa and MV Umoja.
However, the Kaawa, Kabalega and Pemba articles still lack a lot of basic technical data. I have been unable to find out what company in what country built them, at what dates and what their yard numbers, dimensions and tonnages are. There are also remarkably disparate claims as to how many railway wagons each ferry can carry – although of course this may depend on the length of the wagons.
The Uganda Railway also had paddle steamers called PS Stanley (1910) and PS Grant (1925) that I think plied the Victoria Nile and Lake Kyoga and PS Lugard (1927) that plied the Albert Nile until Lugard II replaced her. Unfortunately I've been unable to find enough material online to create articles for any of these ships, so I would be grateful for any help in this direction. Motacilla ( talk) 13:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I have no knowledge with which to evaluate the accuracy of this post at the Editor Assistance Request board pointing out an apparent contradiction or inaccuracy in BR Standard Class 9F 92020-9. See WP:EAR#Franco-crosti boilered 9F BR locos for details. I would be very appreciative if someone who knows something about trains could take a look at the article and thought this would be the place to ask. -- Danger ( talk) 15:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
There's a proposal to create a Shanghai Metro wikiproject, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Shanghai Metro. 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 08:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Didn't want to change it if it was 'wrong' for a reason, but Thorrington has two r's Thorington_railway_station
Its right in the text, but the page title is wrong, and noticed it wrong on the Alresford rail page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.68.66 ( talk) 16:21, 16 June 2011
I wondered why this category exists. Even deducting the former broad gauge GWR mileage that was "standardised" this must cover the majority of track in England. If you do include ex GWR broad gauge mileage then I would think that it would cover such a high percentage of English track mileage that it's not very helpful. Comments? Britmax ( talk) 21:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The Lackawanna Cut-Off article has been brought up at WP:DRN. Maybe some fresh eyes on the matter will help resolve the dispute? Mjroots ( talk) 08:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I've just started 1944 Ilford rail crash, moved Ilford rail crash into a disambiguation page and moved its content to 1915 Ilford rail crash. If anyone wants to add to my feeble stub, please do. Totnesmartin ( talk) 15:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Please see Template talk:RailGauge#Verifiability. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I need to place {{ WP India}} in Category:Rail transport in India . Can anyone help me ? -- naveenpf ( talk) 03:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Anybody know why this is empty or what it covered? Simply south.... .. digging mountains for 5 years 09:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
can someone cleanup Lightweight rail ? (or redirect it to light rail) It's up for deletion 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 05:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I've been doing some research for a future article on the Amtrak Chesapeake, when I stumbled upon a former railroad station in Maryland called "Jericho Park"( http://www.timetables.org/full.php?group=19801026&item=0020) between Odenton (MARC station) and the Bowie Railroad Buildings. It's mentioned in the segment on "Connecting Local Rail Passenger Services in the Northeast," and besides MBTA Commuter Rail and the Long Island Rail Road, it shows systems that evolved into Metro-North Railroad, New Jersey Transit Rail Operations, SEPTA Regional Rail, and MARC Train. So what was the story with that one? ---- DanTD ( talk) 18:12, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Should I add Category:Standard gauge railways in Canada to Canadian National Railway, despite the fact that they had 3'6" gauges on Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia in the past? Also, the Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railway is listed as having standard gauge in the infobox, but has the category of a 4"10" gauge of some sort. What's up with that one? ---- DanTD ( talk) 15:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous IP(67.173.175.77) has been posting opening years throughout articles on Metra stations. While some of them seem plausible, others are doubtful, and in some cases don't seem right at all. Can anybody here provide concrete evidence of accurate original opening dates? ---- DanTD ( talk) 13:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Hallo, I have changed the "DB City Night Line" article. Could anyone review it and maybe remove the "Stubb" comment? I would also be grateful for comments on it.
Another topic: The name "DB City Night Line" itself is wrong: The brand name is simply "City Night Line" without DB (the "DB XY is only used for what DB calls "Brands" like DB Regio. Products like ICE, IC, CNL, CallaBike etc. have no DB. Can anyone rename it?
Thanks for your help, -- Alex 60489 ( talk) 11:00, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
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Both are lists of unclear meaning which are either difficult to verify, or would end up as a list of practically (50% of) everything.. Imgaril ( talk) 09:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Good prods. I stumbled across those before and just walked away because it would have taken so much effort to fix/complete them. I think wikipedia is better off without them; they'd be a timesink (and a source of controversy) at best. bobrayner ( talk) 10:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Within the past two years, I was able to gain support for the merging of two stations into two others; In the Autumn of 2009, I called for the merger of Wellesley Hills (Boston and Albany station) into Wellesley Hills (MBTA station). The next year I revised my call to merge Marshall (Amtrak station) with the Texas and Pacific Railroad Depot (Marshall, Texas), and many of you convinced me that the Amtrak station name should be merged into the T&P Depot name. What both of these stations have in common is that the duplicates had the same addresses as the articles they were merged into. It just so happens that the Harvey House Railroad Depot in Barstow, California( http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Page&code=BAR) has the same address as the Western America Railroad Museum( http://www.barstowrailmuseum.org/). So if the Barstow Route 66 "Mother Road" Museum, which shares the same building but not the same address isn't a factor, why can't the Western America Railroad Museum be a chapter in the Harvey House Railroad Depot? ---- DanTD ( talk) 00:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
G'day all; like aviation-related articles, some rail articles use National Transportation Safety Board accident reports as sources. The NTSB changed all the URLs for these reports a few weeks back, with the result that when the refs are clicked a page saying "where's my cheese?" is now displayed. The old URLs are "ntsb.gov/publictn/[yyyy]/"; if you change this to "ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/[yyyy]/" as in this edit, the link will work again. I have done this about 15 times so far in air crash articles, maritime accident articles, rail-related articles and an article dealing with pipeline accidents, and it fixed the link each time, although in a couple of cases, for example as in this edit, I had to change ".htm" to ".pdf" as well. However you need to test the links as at the moment the NTSB website has a notice that only reports since 1996 are available so far, and I have found a couple of instances where reports dating from 1996 are not available under the new URL yet. Cheers YSSYguy ( talk) 01:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Although there was a Wickham station on this line there is no article (at least none than I can find) and all links reference Wickham station in NSW, Australia. I am happy to set up a stub for the UK Wickham station based on the limited information I have and fix the links. Not sure how best to name the station to differentiate from Wickham station in NSW. Phileadie ( talk) 15:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
The name Tornado was suggested by Allen Levy a Director of New Cavendish Books in 1990.Narisa Chakrabongse Allen Levy's fellow Director was involved with the A1 negotiations at this time Originally in return for a £50,000 donation the locomotive would be named 'New Cavendish'. However formation of the A! Trust was in abeyance and it was Allen Levy who wrote to the then Chairman David Champion and suggested that the project would advance and be more marketable with the name 'Tornado' and the then committee endorsed this suggestion.
New Cavendish produced the original Covenant Forms for the eventual Trust. Both original sponsers attended the first chassis unveiling of Tornado at Darlington in 1996. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.108.196 ( talk) 23:01, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I would like to improve the way train service details are represented in articles about railway stations in the Netherlands and other countries. Old revision of Groningen railway station is an example of the present situation, see the "Train services" section. It's very detailed, every station that you can reach directly from Groningen is listed. But I think especially the table looks horrible, and information is repeated in the succession templates in the same section. I've been testing some ideas on a smaller railway station: Old revision of Meerssen railway station. I've moved the station listings to the succession navbox. The station listings are collapsed for clarity. The navbox retrieves the lists of stations from templates (e.g. {{ NS stops 32000}}) to make maintenance easier (if a station is renamed, you only have to change it in a few places). Before I do the same in other articles: do you think this is an improvement, and are there things that could be improved further? Probably the Dutch expressions "sneltrein" and "stoptrein" should be translated, and I'm not sure the train series numbers (32000 and 32100 in the example) should be shown. Markussep Talk 13:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Markussep, that looks great! Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 20:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2011/August/18#Rail_-.3E_Rail_transport — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imgaril ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 28 August 2011
An editor has proposed changing the Category:Rail transport in the United States and subcategories to use the word "transportation" instead of "transport" using WP:ENGVAR as his rationale. This editor has made several other proposals related to categories for other modes of transportation as well. Please take a moment to join the discussion. Slambo (Speak) 11:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Bobrayner ( talk · contribs) has removed all flags from the various lists of railway accidents, claiming WP:MOSFLAG as the rationale. The recent RfC on the issue did not come down against such use of flags. As a number of lists are affected, this is best discussed in a central venue. Should the lists use flags or not? Mjroots ( talk) 04:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Do not emphasize nationality without good reason
Wikipedia is not a place for nationalistic pride. Flags are visually striking, and placing a national flag next to something can make its nationality or location seem to be of greater significance than other things...
There are other features that have now been added to the RDTs such as level crossings and summits. I just think in some situations, not on all templates though, it may be useful to show when the track is a single track. I know this has been discussed a while ago but I would like like to reopen this debate again. I have created File:BSicon_STRs.png which someone kindly converted to .svg so it needs a little tweaking to make it continuous but what do others think? Simply south.... .. eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 11:26, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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Useddenim (
talk) 15:25, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
<svg ...><title>...</title>
<path ... />
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- and there is much, much more than that in these files. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 22:56, 24 August 2011 (UTC)The original version I suggested I thought would only really needed to the straight sections and I was trying to create the icon based off what I'd seen in the British Railway Atlas. Couldn't something similar be done (for those who have the book, I misjudged it)? Simply south.... .. eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 19:45, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, thinking about it, Britmax is right. These are supposed to be quick reference diagrams, not full scale track maps showing every detail. Frankly, some of the grade crossings, overpasses, highways, etc could easily be removed as trivial. These were never meant to be that comprehensive. oknazevad ( talk) 23:06, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
A bit of an oddity, a steam-electric locomotive. I've made a start at Heilmann locomotive, but assistance in further improving the article is welcome, particularly in expanding the infoboxes and fully describing the power system. Mjroots ( talk) 05:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I was asked a question on my talk page which is outside my knowledge:
If someone knows the correct answer or which source is the most authoritative (not necessarily one of those listed) to please post a reply on the article talk page: Talk:Tom Thumb (locomotive) -- PBS ( talk) 21:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
The purpose of this may not be clear to those not familiar with EU Directive 91/440 - A few are missing from Europe. I'm not sure if this would make any sense for N. American railroads since they own their own track, no idea about S. America. Please expand, correct etc. Imgaril ( talk) 22:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking a template organization similar to Template:Professional Baseball, where nested groups of continent then country allow all leagues in a country (and level) might be a good idea. Just a thought. oknazevad ( talk) 15:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
A request for an article distributed traction (I suppose a wiktionary definition might also be valid, but there is extensive scope for an article) - a start stub would help .. already several potential incoming links [10] with clear scope for growth. volunteers only please ! Imgaril ( talk) 19:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Because all or most of the 70 Metro Rail station articles are stubs, it would be helpful to include a section for train departure times and distance from other stations. However, the format I am currently using (at Redondo Beach (Los Angeles Metro station)) seems kind of long. If anyone has a brilliant idea to shorten the long lists of departure times, I would be happy to hear from you before I go on to expand the other 69 articles. I've considered a stem-and-leaf plot, but in that case, it might not be easy to write the difference in time since the last departure. Thanks! Pkkao2 ( talk) 03:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Green Line service hours are approximately from 5:00 AM until 12:45 AM daily.
It's already covered by the Silver Line succession boxes on the stations along the Harbor Transitwa, isn't it? After the creation of the joint Silver Line, the Transitway no longer appears on maps in a distinct color. And any other bus routes that ply the Transitway serve the same stops, so I don't think any distinct succession boxes are necessary. oknazevad ( talk) 05:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
I am interested in starting new articles on extant and disused rail lines in the USA (on much the same way as every line in the UK has been described). This would enable articles on Depots to be linked to the line they are/were on, and predecessor and succesor railroads to be linked to them (see the UK Far North Line for a good example on this).
I propose to use the publicity maps produced by the railroads themselves in the 1930s to define which are primary and branch lines. The 1930s being the greatest extent of the railroad network in the USA.
When I first did work on Wikipedia this would have been relatively easy. Copy the format from an existing article and edit the text as appropriate. Now I find the existing articles so complex in structure that this is not possible. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Wikipedia is losing editors.
I would appreciate someone contacting me on my talk page with advice on this issue. I particularly want to draft my articles over a period of several weeks in Word and then paste them into a Wikipedia editing page. This seems now to be a problematic method given the existance of transcluded boxes used to sumerise and illustrate the line.
Thanks in advance for the assistance
-- Wickifrank ( talk) 13:52, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
The article Chief Mechanical Engineer has been listed at WP:RM. Please discuss at Talk:Chief Mechanical Engineer#Requested move. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 16:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
There are two images I was forced to add to the commons sooner than I wanted to;
I was hoping to give them better names before moving them there, but Fbot tagged them with orphan tags, which I know would've lead to deletion tags later on. What I need to know is the exact locations of each of these pictures. I uploaded two similar ones to the commons a while back, but after some examination, I was able to give them decent names before doing so. Originally all four had names that were worse than that("File:IMG some random numbers.JPG"). So can anybody tell me where these trains are, other than in Michigan City, Indiana? Google Street View isn't helping with those two. ---- DanTD ( talk) 02:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
We need to get more about my sub-topic (steam locomotives at portal:Steam locomotives), so I would like to request that the page have more content added. That would be a great help to the community! Thanks! Levonscott User talk:Levonscott User:Levonscott 04:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I would like to put some of my photos onto the page for Hamilton railway station, New South Wales. I haven't been able to work out how to add or change photos while adjusting a page. Could someone help me with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.26.241 ( talk) 02:10, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm propose to discuss the contribution "00:20, 28 November 2010 BIL":
He put information that distance from Obskaya to Harasaway is 677 km. What is source of it? I have another information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timotv ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Copy from the commons: Smiley.toerist ( talk) 18:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I recently made a trip to the Givet - charleville-Mezieres railway. It is a old railway where points are served from a central ground frame. The transmission of the lever movement is very unusual. It is not transmitted with wires but with metal bars. I have uploaded a lot of pictures: see [11]. I see categorys for points and "Levers and drives for points", however no categorys for the transmission of movement/energy?. There where lots wire transmissions with wires but I can find no pictures in the commons about it. What is the correct name for this type of system? What are the names for individual parts like the 90 degree turns based on turning axe?
How should this type of system be metaclassified? Energy transmission system? We have electric transmission, High pressure air transmission, hydraulic transmission, moving belt transmission used in old factorys. Moving wire tramsmission and what about the brake in bicycles? I make the distinction between energie and signal transmission. The signal transmission is when local power is used and energy transmission is when al energy needed for the action is transmitted centraly. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 11:20, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Here in the US, I'd call that a "mechanical interlocking". See [12]. (Note that in the US, we tend to blur the distinction between the interlocking machine, containing the logic to prevent signals and points from conflicting, and the interlocking plant as a whole, including those points, signals, and their controls.) "Rail transport traffic control" is probably the correct Commons category. In American practice, the metal parts transmitting motion are called "rods"; I believe the part making the 90-degree turn is a bell crank. I suppose the Commons category "Transmissions" could accommodate this, too; I don't know that there are enough pictures to inspire a really detailed subclassification. Choess ( talk) 21:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I have created the category "Rod transmissions for points". Double wire systems can transmit a considerable force, but the wires have to move a lot more then than the rods to compensate. I suggest "Wire transmissions in railways" for the wire systems (For points and signals).Lets wait until there are pictures to classify. Smiley.toerist ( talk) 08:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I've created a series of historical route diagrams showing the evolution of the MBTA's Orange Line. I would appreciate comments about where to place them here. Thanks! Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 22:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Will somebody fix the colors for Template:METRORail color? All the stations show up white, when the majority should be red. I'm also having trouble finding all the templates that should be added to Category:Minnesota rail succession templates, plus there are Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North Railroad templates that are neither line nor succession templates, and yet they are categorized as one or the other. These have to be moved and split off. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
For many of the Lists of named passenger trains in the US, Canada, and Mexico, I found this as a source. It's not necessarily complete, but it has some good info. Let me know if you find any of it useful. ---- DanTD ( talk) 16:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
User:SchuminWeb seems to be on an fair-use image-deleting campaign against a series of railroad articles. I have reverted some of them for discussion as I think his principles are not entirely consistent with the rationales he is using to justify their removal. Mangoe ( talk) 13:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at TfD about what to do with terminal subpages of {{ S-line}} that are unused. Feel free to comment. — Train2104 ( talk • contribs • count) 21:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully someone here may be able to help, as the Rapid Transit project appears to be inactive. There is a current disagreement over the motors used on trains. The page has said for quite some time that the motors are Bombardier MITRAC. However, an editor has recently claimed (with reference to a vague claim on a linkedin profile) that the motor are Mitsubishi Electric (along with the HVAC system). Unfortunately I cannot find reference to either in reliable sources, and TransLink has taken down their canadaline.ca website. Does anyone know which is used, and for that matter have reference to all of the specs of the trains, as there currently is no references period. Any help would be appreciated. Ravendrop 21:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I finally found all templates related to the Buffalo Metro Rail and added them to Category:New York rail succession templates, and there are enough of them to shift them to a new template category. My question is though, should I call this new category Buffalo Metro Rail templates, or should I go with Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority rail templates, in the event that Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority tries to install another railroad in Niagara Falls, New York, whether it's light rail, monorail, people mover, or even Bus Rapid Transit? ---- DanTD ( talk) 04:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
WP:NRHP is having a Fall Photo Contest running from Oct. 21-Dec. 4, 2011. I'd like to encourage anybody who enjoys photography, as well as anybody who is interested in historic places to participate as a photographer, a sponsor, or both.
One way that an individual editor or a project can participate is to sponsor their own challenge. For example, somebody here might want to include a challenge such as "A barnstar will be awarded to the photographer who adds the most photos to the NRHP county lists of previously non-illustrated NRHP sites that include locomotives, rail cars, and train stations." To sponsor a challenge all you need to do is come up with an idea, post it on the contest page, and do the small bit of work needed to judge the winner(s).
Any and all contributions appreciated.
Smallbones ( talk) 03:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
I noticed a few mistakes in the French railway signalling page but I would like to have advice before initiating a modification.
In section : The signals for "sectionnement" ( in indications for electric locomotives) is correct but the comment "This sign indicates a change of electrical section (change of voltage)" is wrong. The sign indicates only that the engineer will have to open the main circuit breaker to cross a neutral zone with no electrical supply, but it does not mean that a change of current or voltage will follow. On the contrary, most often, current will be the same onwards. The two zones (the one that will be left and the one that will be reached) are fed by two different electric plants (or stations) and for AC current, the phase of one station may differ from that of the other station, which is why a neutral zone has to be implemented.
In the same section, the name of the two next signs (beginning of netural zone and end of neutral zone) are OK. However this comment is only partly correct "...electric locomotives must pass with the main circuit breaker open and pantograph lowered". Indeed main circuit breaker should be open, but there is no need to lower pantograph except if the sign "lower pantograph" is posted. As a consequence, this other comment is partly right "This sign indicates the end of a neutral zone; electric locomotives can close the main circuit breaker open and raise the pantograph". There is no need to raise the "panto" as it may already been raised. Of course, if the engineer has met a sign "lower panto", he will meet another sign "raise panto" after the section.
Hope my technical english is correct ;-) ...
Yves D - Oct 10th 22:11 Paris time
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83.112.195.155 (
talk) 20:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody try to find more info on the GE boxcabs? Thanks Jonathan is me ( talk) 23:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to drum up some discussion at Talk:Cardinal (train)#Image to use in infobox about the sorts of images we ought to use in infoboxes about train routes. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 00:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
The campaigners do have a point--in a situation like that an image adds very little (leaving aside all questions of licensing). Another example would be Maple Leaf, where I was able to replace a Genesis noodling around Toronto with an F40PH crossing the Whirlpool Bridge. I'm trying to assess all the current Amtrak articles since free images should either exist already or can be easily obtained/created. Mackensen (talk) 01:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, yesterday I edited Holly Springs, Mississippi, writing it was conquered in the civil war because it had a railroad intersection. Today I wanted to find out which were they. It was easy enough to find Illinois Central Railroad, and finally I tracked down Kansas City, Memphis and Birmingham Railroad as the earliest incarnation of the other line with a WP page. Trying to find its predecessor, I got to some wartime maps and discovered that none such appears there. [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] Is it a definite proof the line wasn't there? When was it laid and opened? trespassers william ( talk) 01:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
There are effectively no citations for Geared steam locomotive. Can someone add some? Thanks, Jonathan is me ( talk) 01:32, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
What are the criteria for inclusion in Category:Airport railway stations and its national subcategories? I see that Metro/Airport (VTA) is in Category:Airport railway stations in the United States, while Santa Clara Station (California) isn't - even though neither one is in the airport ( San Jose International Airport), and the same bus (VTA bus 10) goes from one to the other via the airport. It seems to me that these 2 articles equally belong in this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
I've always understood the category to mean a direct connection to the airport–either the station is in the same building, or there's a connecting walkway, or a dedicated shuttle bus (as with O'Hare Transfer (Metra)). Mackensen (talk) 22:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, as a developer of ShareMap.org project I want to encourage all users of WikiTrains project to try this tool too create maps for their rail related articles.
ShareMap is a tool that allows to create map on CC-BY-SA license, you can find more information of ShareMap Wikimedia Commons and discussion page.
Recently ShareMap introduced Open Street Map import tool, so map creator doesn't have to draw railway lines, but can import lines from Open Street Map using XAPI queries.
ShareMap as community tool is still in beta phase, so any feedback is warmly welcome.
Example of railway map created with ShareMap:
-- Jkan997 ( talk) 21:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello! a new user named Lee480 ( talk · contribs) has been creating articles for what I believe are specific trains (not makes or models but a specific vehicle). I almost nominated the first one I found as an A1 but I'm almost positive it's about trains. I have no idea what to do with these articles as I'm not sure if there's a precedent that's be set for such articles (there's certainly no specific inclusion guideline for such). I thought this Wikiproject would know the best solution. I suspect that the user may be from Kawasaki Heavy Industries as all of the trains are manufactured by that company but that could be circumstantial. OlYeller21 Talktome 18:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
{{ Dutch Railway station}} has been nominated for deletion as being unused. This is a boilerplate template used to create a Dutch railway station article. It is either supposed to be substituted or used as a preload when creating a new article.
Does you project have an article wizard that loads this as a preload? Or do you have instructions on how to create an article with a substitution boilerplate for creating such articles?
65.94.77.11 ( talk) 04:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
It is very common for several countries or railway companies to have locomotives with the same class number on the lines of "Class XX". Generally these are disambiguated by inserting the company name in front e.g. " British Rail Class 25", " South African Railways Class 25" or " DRG Class 25". Where necessary, there is a dab page called "Class XX" which links to all the options. Recently " Class 66", which links to 3 locos and a submarine has been turned into a redirect to " British Rail Class 66" which itself appears to be a disputed title. Meanwhile the dab page has become " Class 66 (disambiguation)". This implies that the British Rail loco is more notable than the others, which seems dubious. Before this practice spreads, can we seek a consensus. My view FWIW is that, unless a loco is particularly famous, the dab page should remain at "Class XX". -- Bermicourt ( talk) 20:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I've gone over to the dark side and listed an image at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files: Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2011 November 11#File:Mkt153ags.jpg. I'd like to get some eyeballs here because I suspect we have other images with a similarly unclear status. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 13:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. I wanted to alert you folks to a related CfD I've created at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_12#Category:Alternatives_to_conventional_railways. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I've opened a merge discussion for Indianapolis Union Station and Indianapolis (Amtrak station) at Talk:Indianapolis Union Station#Merger proposal. Comments welcomed. Mackensen (talk) 14:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Was there ever a class on Durango And Silverton called the K-18? I think I heard something about it once somewhere. Thanks, Jonathan is me ( talk) 05:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Eleven articles and one template, all having "rail gauge" in their titles have been listed at WP:RM for renaming to the same titles but with "track gauge" instead, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions#November 25, 2011 and Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions#November 24, 2011. Please follow the "Discuss" links to leave comments. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 11:58, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I am very surprised, there is no page on the Utah Belt RR. Can I have a group of people help on making one? I just don't have the time to do it myself.
Thanks, Jonathan is me ( talk) 17:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, I am not sure if I am on the right talk page (if not I apologise) but I need some help on finding the instructions on how to make a template about a railwayline. So far I managed to work on templates of single lines but when it comes to parallel or multiple lines and I need to use the various BS3-4-5 I can't just make it work. Anybody can direct me to the right help/instruction page?? or explain breifly how it works? Any help is appreciated! Thanks.-- Sal73x ( talk) 19:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
There is also a Milwaukee Road H10-44 in excellent cosmetic condition at the Brodhead, Wisconsin Museum. It sports number 781 and was built in 1950. I have no indication of operational condition but it sits on an isolated track with Milwaukee Road Caboose 01900.
Last month I called for the merger of Old Orlando Railroad Depot into Church Street Station (Orlando). Both article are for the same building, although the Church Street Station article focuses a lot on post railroad station development. So far I've received no reply. I'm also going to post this in the NRHP project. ---- DanTD ( talk) 01:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
We need a list of locos that the Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy railroad had. Jonathan is me ( talk) 01:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I've added some more information to the Chippenham station on the services. ( Chip123456 ( talk) 19:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC))
I'm a little bit surprised that the stats given for locomotives don't list maximum mechanical output power. Jack Waugh ( talk) 13:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
{{
infobox locomotive}}
template has a parameter |poweroutput=
|poweroutput=
parameter, but they should be qualified, i.e. |poweroutput=3,000 bhp (2,200 kW) (1-hr)
. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 14:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)This page needs a lot of work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-8-8-2. Jonathan is me ( talk) 06:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know why?© Geni 16:25, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Huh? Can you give an example? Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 17:58, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I haven't found one yet although I haven't been through my whole list. So if you would please, that would be a help. Britmax ( talk) 19:45, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
It's pretty small... Jonathan is me ( talk) 00:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I should probably bring this to WikiProject:National Register of Historic Places as well, but there are at least a dozen articles about stations listed on the NRHP that have no railroads attached to them, mostly in New Jersey and Connecticut. They include the following;
I could probably guess which railroads these stations belonged to, but that's about all I can do. And I'm probably missing some that aren't on this list. Does anybody else know which railroads they served. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The current {{ S-line}} does not have any option to hide the word "toward" which causes trouble to line without terminus such as loop or circular line. I want your comments on the new parameter to disable the word. -- Sameboat - 同舟 ( talk) 23:41, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi folks. I just wanted to make you aware of something I only recently became aware of myself. Turntable used to be a disambiguation page that included a link to Railway turntable. It's now been changed to a redirect to Phonograph, so railway articles should not link directly to it. [[Railway turntable|turntable]] is my recommended alternative, and a couple of days ago I fixed a number of railway articles by piping them to Railway turntable. Best regards, -- Tkynerd ( talk) 19:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
{{
redirect|Turntable}}
. A common practice with dab pages without a primary topic is that [[Foo]]
is the actual dab page, and [[Foo (disambiguation)]]
is the redirect to the dab page (see
WP:DABNAME). In that way, when the dab page is to be deliberately linked, the link is made through the redirect, i.e. to [[Foo (disambiguation)]]
; thus, any accidental links to [[Foo]]
may be detected easily. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 12:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that Turntable (rail) should not have been moved to Railway turntable: the commonly used name is "Turntable", not "Railway turntable". See Talk:Railway turntable. Pam D 09:08, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
See here. — GFOLEY FOUR!— 05:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Please take a look at User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help the National Archives ExtravaSCANza. My hope is that the success of this event will ensure that others will be organized in the future, even without Dominic as a Wikipedian-in-Residence, so we all benefit from the high-quality, formerly non-digitized media uploaded to the Commons. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)