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Here's the data: I haven't been supporting at A-class for a while (but I'm always available when the article gets to FAC). Recent A-class promotions have taken longer to garner supports, if any. The oldest article currently at A-class is already A-class; the second oldest has a support from Anotherclown, who hasn't reviewed at A-class since then (which he warned us about). No. 77 Squadron RAAF has a support from Sturm, but then, Ian is always going to get supports. AustralianRupert has continued to review and support, but he indicated during coord elections that he has commitments now and he's going to have to cut back. Other than that ... there isn't a single support for any of the current A-class articles, though there are a few reviews that may turn into supports, and auntieruth, Sturm, and Ian have been doing a lot of reviews ... much obliged. Still, this level of activity is a big drop from what we've seen the past few years.
In light of the data, my vote would be to give it a little longer and see if a new crop of devoted reviewers shows up, or if more people who nominate start sharing the workload. If that doesn't happen, then we should let nominators know that A-class is slower these days, so that they don't get a false sense that they're doing something wrong, and so that they know to go to PR or FAC (or GAN, if applicable) if they're looking for a quicker response. Needless to say, I'm not assigning blame here ... everyone's a volunteer, and people are busy doing other useful things. - Dank ( push to talk) 16:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
We had a problem with the MilHistBot. An ACR article that was failed was listed on the review page as a redirect. The Bot was unable to find the assessment page on the review page and remove it. As a result, it kept finding the assessment on the review page and attempted to fail it every time it ran (every hour). I have made two corrections:
Therefore, this error should not recur, and errors of this type should not recur. My apologies for the inconvenience. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 23:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
There is information missing from Sikorsky h34 page, specifically on the Incidents section, that maybe isn´t important to many people, but here in Uruguay it is to many, and it is an incident that must not be forgotten, i was there when I was 7. Many people died and lots were mutilated, and there was a cover-up of this because the sale of this old machines from the U.S.A. was done in a corrupt operation, and when they failed later at an air show full with civilians, there were huge efforts to cover it up. Yesterday 14th of november was the 43th anniversary of this. I think I don´t have the skills needed to add this info to a Wikipedia page so that´s why I´m asking for help. A documentary was recently done. More info here: http://helicesdoc.com/ Thank you.
Maverick528 ( talk) 12:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)maverick528
The discussion at Talk:World War II#Request for comment: WWII infobox appears to have concluded. Could an uninvolved coordinator please close this discussion and implement whatever they judge the consensus to be? Thanks Nick-D ( talk) 10:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
I am doing a small research project, and I need to know the total number of people who have served in the military forces of the United States of America from 1776 to present. I haven't been able to find this info anywhere so far. Do you have this info or can you tell me where I might get it. Thanks. BuzzWe ( talk) 17:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
In the article Treaty of Trianon I found the text below:
The treaty was dictated by the Allies rather than negotiated and the Hungarians had no option but to accept its terms.[11] The Hungarian delegation signed the treaty under protest
Aren't the above facts self-implied? As far as I know, after any military conflict the winners dictate the terms of the peace treaties to the losers (and don't negotiate with the defeated sided when taking the decisions).
So, is it necessary to include the phrase above? Undecand ( talk)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: It looks like the Signpost is getting ready to run another article about MILHIST. This is potentially a good opportunity for us to recruit more participants, so I'd encourage anyone with the time and inclination to respond to the interview questions. Kirill [talk] 01:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
It appears that Operation Majestic Titan has officially crossed the tranwiki barrier, as according to the project now has a page on the Russian Wikipedia.
Also, a look through our talk page suggests that it may be time for a little archiving. We got talk page material going all the way back to April, hence the suggestion :) TomStar81 ( Talk) 02:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
We are a little more than a week out from December 1, which for us means that its time to start thinking about setting up the nominations sections for the military historian and newcomer of the year. Based on previous years, I would propose that the nominations run for roughly a week, then voting for roughly a week, then the award ceremony. Are there any objections? TomStar81 ( Talk) 13:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: Since its December 1st, I would propose we adopt one of the two following time lines for the awards process:
I'll move to set up the nominations and election sections myself, but in the interest of transparency I'd like to keep some feedback on which of the two timelines the rest of you like. TomStar81 ( Talk) 03:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not in New York, and its not quite Saturday night yet, but we are live for the end of the year awards. Now all we need are the people to nominate the editors and we are set. To affect that last part, perhaps a mass message announcing the opening of the nomination period would be in our best interest. TomStar81 ( Talk) 00:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Diannaa ( talk · contribs) has been double nom'ed, I see. I've no idea what to do about it so for now its just something to watch. TomStar81 ( Talk) 10:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: I've archived the nominations and opened the voting, however I could use an extra set of eyes to ensure that I got everything right. In particular, I trimmed the editors to declines to be considered for the awards, and combined the two nominations for Dianna into one nom. I did not see that the newcomer nomination for the professor had been resolved, so I removed him without prejudice until the question on a Wikipedia account can be answered. I also sent out a mass message - again - and THIS time I got the right list on the first try. Is there anything else that needs to be done, reformatted, added, subtracted or otherwise tinkered with here? TomStar81 ( Talk) 00:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Can we have a more formalized nomination statement that includes the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on? I can't tell very easily who has done what, and I suspect that will lead many people to vote for names they know or not at all. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: – I am seeking guidance from other Military History Coordinators to my involvement of several "GA-class" assessed articles in WikiProject Military History. In my opinion some paragraphs require a {{citation needed}}, some editors have responded to my original re-assessment of these articles. They of course, do not think my request is basically non-sense. The claim that all of the paragraphs have been cited (which of course is incorrect). If these paragraphs were cited then they would place the citation from the following paragraph to the end of the paragraph. It's very little work and of course I do not have any resources or intentions of improving those articles, I am looking at the articles in a view of there should be a citation there and there. I know my article of Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher went through hell and back at "GA-class" as well as being correctly cited as a WP:Military History article for that assessment which of course every article that goes through that here in WP:Military History (and no other WikiProject, if it meets WP:MH, GA-class I would bump up all the others) ... why should these articles be any different? Adamdaley ( talk) 06:21, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I realize that this is rather out of the blue, but I got to thinking about some discussions we had a few years back about reorganizing our task forces. Given that the glory days of Wikipedia editing seem to be over insofar as we've been losing editors on site more than we have been gaining them I wonder if it would be worth revisiting the idea again. I remember that the discussions did result in the merging of two or three task forces, and I recall that I had advocated for geographical task forces to be reorganized under a continental system, with a subcontinental system for nations or regions that were in questionable areas. Just as a testing the water exercise, would anyone here care to revisit the issue, or should we let sleep soundly in our memories? TomStar81 ( Talk) 11:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Will the person responsible for archiving this page please do so (judiciously of course)? It's incredibly long and my computer crashes if I try to add something. auntieruth (talk) 15:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to join the WW1 Task force and I don't know what to do, can you help me out here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke Skywalker01 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi all! I recently nominated user User:Saxum as a newcomer of the year, but they are active in the MILHIST area for a week or two more than a year. I would appreciate coord feedback if the nom is inappropriate before the voting starts just to prevent any avoidable misunderstandings and give the project coords heads-up if some other form of recognition for Saxum's considerable achievement in their first year of contribution to the project is in order. Cheers.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 13:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Because my access to the server will be limited during the holiday season, I am reducing the frequency of the MilHistBot's A class run from hourly to daily. This will give me more time to fix any problems that may occur in the transition from 2014 to 2015. It will run a few minutes after 0000Z. Depending on when you make the triggering update, it may take up to 24 hours top process the request. All other runs (such as the announcements update) will run daily as usual. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 18:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I do enjoy it! Especially the pictures, which are amazing. I have no idea how anyone can clean them up so well! And seeing all we've accomplished in the month, too! auntieruth (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: G'day all, a very new user has nominated M14 Half-track for ACR. IMO it is a quick-fail, and I'm planning to do just that. I have gently advised the nominator about Milhist assessment, have invited them to join Milhist, and have offered help if they want it. Any repechages on the quick-fail? Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 23:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
The MilHistBot script that updates the announcements page suffered a failure due to a page with a corrupt Talk page. The page has been corrected. A fix has also been developed, but I cannot implement it at the present time. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 04:12, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I note a genuine hole in most WWII coverage on Wiki. It seems as if WWII in the Pacific was Pearl Harbor, a few Marines taking beaches against impossible odds and then we dropped the bomb, the end. Nothing else happened and no one else was there.
A good example of this is PUC site which does not mention a single bomb group from the 5th Air Force. Even your entry on the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, for which the 43rd BG received their PUC, you have units mislabeled on the Order of Battle.
Another example. You have nothing on the 4 raids on Balikpapan. This was the Ploesti of the Pacific. The first 2 went in with no fighter cover and got chewed up. The 3rd raid featured Chas. Lindbergh's modification to the P-38 allowing for limited fighter coverage. He actually flew this raid and is credited with a kill. The 4th raid had enough cover that effective damage was done.
I realize that Lindbergh getting a kill and B-24's flying raids over the largest Japanese held oil field and refinery isn't worth mentioning when compared to a Tiger tank commander somewhere in Russia. You might want to at least mention Battles in the Pacific like Huggins Road Block (the entry on Buna-Goa is like making one entry for the entire Italian Campaign, the parachute drop on Dobadura witnessed from the air by McArthur in his B-17, etc.
Michael La Vean Historian 43rd Bomb Group Association lavean@Hotmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavean ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
The article Amphetamine appears on the list of Mil Hist articles under FAR. Although I'm sure there is use of amphetamine in various militaries, it doesn't appear that this is a legitimate MilHistory article, nor could I discover any coding within the talk page that would cause it to appear on our lists. I tried to review it and quite honestly could not understand its concepts. This is not a good sign for FAR; I think articles should be at least accessible to a smart undergraduate (which I am not). Whatever it's merits, I'm wondering why it is showing up in MilHist articles? Any ideas? Ruth auntieruth (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
My father passed away in 2010, a veteran of WWII and the Korean War. Several boxes of documents and photos were recovered from his last home and given to me. Now I too am old and cannot sort these things out. Is there anyone who would value them enough to review the material and determine whether any of it might be archived or even published? Today I found a book about "Stilwell and the American Experience in China" with an inscription to my father, George D. Bottoms, Captain US Army Combat Engineers,written by Maj. General Haydon L. Boatner, who is mentioned in the book. There is correspondence and a book autographed by Girsham, the "Burma Surgeon" and many slides and photographs. Please advise soon as my wife wants to trash everything, Regards, G. Daniel Bottoms III 128 S. Western Ave. Aurora, IL 60506 cell: 630-306-1728 email: gdbthird@yahoo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.86.216.39 ( talk) 19:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
All awards have been handed out as of the date stamp on the end of this message, which officially concludes our 2014 Year In Review Award review. Thanks to everyone who participated. TomStar81 ( Talk) 08:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: After an exhaustive 7.5 hour review of the FA-Class material from our project for the year, I've compiled a list of editors who I think we should honor before the end of the year. Some of these guys may have earned numerical awards (like the FA ribbon), others we can take the opportunity to check and award Barnstars or other awards that they may have earned but not yet recieved (IE: ships barnstar for nautical related work, wiki-wings for airplanes, etc).
Note that there is unfortunately some built in error to this, as we have no formal automated system to track all the people who would get awards this list only takes into account the 2014 tally's, and because its was done manually some material may have slipped through the cracks (though I've taken as much care as I can to see to it that such occurrences did not happen) Additionally, as we have no formally recognized system for tracking featured media, I've listed those FPC and other such materials on grounds of whether or not they were relevant in a the given primary article.
This list is as follows:
For every editor listed, I would recommend an Epic Barnstar be given for "...particularly fine History and Events- related contributions." As to the rest of the awards for the individuals listed here, I've sorted them by editor and the area of contributions. To keep size down, the awards are listed with "nowiki" parameters, but you can use the master WP:Barnstar page as a cheat sheet to find the associated award and its description, or alternatively edit to remove the "nowiki" code to glimpse the award itself if you're better with visuals. TomStar81 ( Talk) 00:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Sturmvogel 66
Ian Rose
Hawkeye7
Parsecboy
Cliftonian
Wehalt
HJ Mitchell
Khanate General
Peter Isotalo
Dudley Miles {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Hch2009 {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Singles Those in this category receive the epic barnstar for history related contributions. Where two editors are present for the same article the left and right side of a barnstar will also be presented.
For each person listed here, a tireless contributor barnstar for working on a large body of work without sacrificing quality in addition to any other awards judge to be relevant to the body of work in question. In the event that two editors worked on a list a left and right side of a barnstar will be issued to recognize the efforts of both parties.
Paresecboy {{subst:The Featured List Medal|message ~~~~}} {{subst:WikiProject Ships Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Maile66 {{subst:The Featured List Medal|message ~~~~}} {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Singles
For each contributor here, a wikiproject barnstar for photographic work. As we've a limited supply of barnstars for visual related work, I'd propose one additional award based on any common theme for the images in question be presented to the editors when applicable (ie: a biography barnstar for portraits of people, a ships barnstar for ships, wings or aircraft, etc). As always, if there are two people in the nom the left and right half of a barnstar for each.
Godot13 File:Barnstarnumismatics.png - an unofficial barnstar design for WP:numanistics for the the USA, CSA, and IJA monetary sets promoted to FP status
Tomer T
Crisco 1492 {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}} - several people pictures
Adam Cuerden I'd be of the mind to entertain the idea of either a milhist chevrons or perhaps a chevron w/oak leaves fro this amount of work, there are a bunch of images in these noms.
{{subst:WikiProject Ships Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Yakiki
Yerevantsi
JJARichardson
Brandmeister
Singles
Hey all, I've started the review tally for this quarter - could someone please count GA reviews and distribute review awards? Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 19:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ian, you have more patience than I have. I'll start on the gongs tomorrow. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 10:39, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Hey all - you may or may not know that DANFS recently updated the links to their articles (see the discussion here). We not have a lot of dead links that need to be fixed. I was thinking we might be able to put together a drive to fix them all, similar to the backlog reduction drives we've done in the past, since this does not appear to be a task that can be easily fixed with a bot (see Trappist's comments in the above thread). Any thoughts? Parsecboy ( talk) 14:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm gathering material for articles on the British nuclear weapons. According to the article on the successor to the UK Trident system, a decision is not expected until next year, but if anything happens, could someone let me know? Similarly, the US is considering an Ohio Replacement Submarine. Apparently, it is going to cost a shipload of money even by American standards (About $95 billion and change), so they are probably going to take it off-budget. Again, if anything happens, could someone let me know. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 02:11, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, who do we have in the project who is also a veteran? I'm writing up an interview with Pendright, a WWII vet, and wanted to seek out a second person's thoughts on editing articles about things they've served on or campaigns they've participated in. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I've got a new job, I'm writing the daily Main Page paragraphs for
Today's Featured Article ... co-writing really, since I aim to keep as much of the original text from an article's lead section as I can. I was hoping that the job wouldn't be too much of a time sink, but the more I do it, the more uncomfortable the status quo feels. There's even less wiggle-room at TFA than at FAC; things are supposed to be "right", but 10 copyeditors would produce 10 different paragraphs. I'm not going to assert that I'm The Decider on prose questions, but when I step back and let people slug it out, some feel that I'm shirking my responsibility, and the more people fight over something, the worse things get. So, I need to do a lot of work asking people about prose rules and documenting those decisions. If anyone wants to participate in surveys, drop me a note on my talk page. I'm going to have to pull back a bit at A-class and FAC: if I'm finding that copyediting is an effort, then I'll do what I can with the lead section (I work from the lead at TFA) and give a quick opinion, and stop there. @
Anotherclown,
AustralianRupert,
Ian Rose,
Nick-D,
Hawkeye7,
Hchc2009, and
Nikkimaria: Thanks for keeping A-class humming, I wouldn't feel right about slowing down there without your tireless efforts. And thanks to all the noms for making this job such a pleasure. This new documentation project won't take forever, but it will be a while. - Dank (
push to talk)
15:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Good Morning. My name is Jerad Bane. Previously with the Assault and Barrier Platoon, 307th Eng Bn, 82nd Airborne from 2000-2004. One tour Afghanistan, one tour Iraq. I am contacting you because a battle buddy recently reached out to me and couldn't believe there was no mention of the origin of FOB Salerno. A detachment of combat engineers and operators from my platoon (A&B) along with a small mechanics detail (muse stick) were the first boots on the ground in 2002 for months. The only ones that proceeded us is a SF team which stayed in a small building. While being airdropped building supplies like hescos we took incoming mortars and small arms fire nightly, but never during the day. We contracted local vehicles and workers to assist in filling the hescos for the perimeter. We cleared acres of marijuana that grew freely like weeds and constructed a giant burning pit the dump trucks would deliver piles from the clearing for incineration. We also established relations with the local war lord and townspeople to try and work out a beneficial relationship. I personally dug all the drainage ditches by hand with my battle buddies, and after one surprise flash monsoon, drainage failed, base flooded, and we had to adjust the drainage by hand with piss and shit water up to our chests...... which in turn gave several of us dysentery. The one medic we had with us was only able to give us motion sickness pills to assist while we struggled through the sickness. We ate goat stew with the locals and wild chickens when we ran out of MREs. After months of being there solo, a small unit of infantry then showed up. One of our mechanics actually spent 3 days in their only water source, an old pump house powered by a model t engine, and repaired it restoring water to the region for their crops for drinking/bathing.
I have several photos of us and the unconstructed area. Along with several photos of it slowly coming together. Additionally some of us have ARCOMS/AAMs that were awarded for being the first there securing the area and building it. We built the only dirt runway in that entire area, and have a photo of some of us standing in front of the very first C-130 landing on it.
I don't know how to use Wikipedia, or know anything about editing it, and respect those of you who have taken your time to put this information together on the FOB but hope that someone reading this can please, please help me in giving credit to my unit.
If there is anything I can do to assist you further don't hesitate to contact me. Thank You 12.144.110.131 ( talk) 15:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)Jerad Bane 12.144.110.131 ( talk) 15:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC) big_bane@msn.com 262-496-2724
G'day @ WP:MILHIST coordinators: Have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment#Task forces (periods and conflicts). I think this is related to the issues I was having trying to use them for the quarterly GAR tallying. Who is responsible for these widgets? Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 23:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Gday ladies and gentlemen. I know this isn't really a function of the MILHIST co-ordinators but as you guys are amoung the more active in the project and take the lead on administrative aspects I'm hoping one of the co-ordinators might be able to finalise a few open GARs, or at least provide some advice.
Is there any way have start-class articles that completely lack a B-class checklist show up in Category:Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists? 67.239.119.192 ( talk) 19:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I've been staring at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources for the last few months think about how we may be able to replicate the page in some manner, however I had an idea this morning about how such a process may be applied to our project. I was wondering if it would be possible to set up a bot to automatically track and add sources from any article tagged as being within the scope of our project to sourcing section to create a source library from which members who may be looking for information to improve articles that they are working on can come to and browse through to see which sources have already been added to or otherwise on Wikipedia for military history related material. In this manner then both online and offline sources can be compiled in place for our members, and as an added bonus we can track the sources used against reliable sources lists to identify and remove anything added from unreliable sources. This idea of mine is still in its infancy (there are some issues that need to be hammered out for certain), however I think there is some potential here and I am interested to here what the rest of you have to say about this idea. TomStar81 ( Talk) 01:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello @ WP:MILHIST coordinators: The article for the U.S. 12th Armored Division ( /info/en/?search=12th_Armored_Division_(United_States) has a boilerplate notice dating from 2008 that the article lacked appropriate inline citations. In addition, the article was very incomplete, sections were lifted verbatim from the article for a former regiment which became one of the tank battalions within the Division, ignoring all of the other Battalions and omitting key details. There was a single linked reference. This article was extensively revised, more than tripled in length, increasing the verifiable references to 33 and adding 12 external sources and then posted on 3 February 2015. Please consider removing the notice of the need for additional citations. I would be happy to add any other historical details or references to bring the article up to standard. N0TABENE ( talk) 22:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: A member of this project, Buggie111 ( talk · contribs) is currently a candidate for adminship. All interested members may weigh in on his adminship request at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Buggie111 2. TomStar81 ( Talk) 04:21, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I don't see this as a violation of WP:CANVASS. If the MilHist wikiproject was perceived as a heavily politicised group on the Wikipedia, I might feel differently, but I think that the very small risk that someone might decide to politically support or oppose a candidacy based on the candidate's interest in Military History is hugely outweighed by the convenience of informing their fellow editors that a RFA is in the pipeline, who can then comment on their suitability or not. I'd add that I wouldn't have been aware of Buggie's RFA without Tom's note here. Hchc2009 ( talk) 09:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
If any of the coordinators who is also an admin remains WP:UNINVOLVED regarding User:AnnalesSchool, could they please look into their conduct and consider whether to institute a block? Nick-D ( talk) 11:11, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Someone want to take a look at this? It'll be within our scope apparently because its about a battle, however I've never seen a portal devoted to just one battle. I'm therefore on the fence about how to approach this. TomStar81 ( Talk) 11:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, I've started the review tally for this quarter - could someone please count GA reviews and distribute review awards? Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
If we're done, I'll get on with awarding. Any last repachages? Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 07:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
A Gallipoli focused Edit-a-thon will be held at the National Library of Wales on the 23rd of April. Please spread the word and, if you live in the UK, consider attending. Jason.nlw ( talk) 09:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Constance Stokes (not a Milhist article) was on the Main Page yesterday, and started off "... was a modernist Australian painter working in Victoria.", until this edit yesterday changed it to "... who worked in Victoria". The same change was made to the TFA text at exactly the time it was coming off the Main Page, so I reverted. That editor has just left a message on my talk page here saying that who was working in Victoria "would not make sense" (and I guess working in Victoria didn't make sense to that editor either.) My position is those two phrases mean the same thing (one is short for the other) and aren't ungrammatical in any flavor of English, but I think I've seen the "ing" in this context more often in AusEng Milhist articles (it's not as common in AmEng), so if any Australians want to weigh in on my talk page on whether it sounds right or wrong, please do ... or else similar language (which I've seen in a lot of Milhist articles) may get challenged again at TFA. - Dank ( push to talk) 19:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: if someone has a few lazy minutes, T&J and my entries in the April contest still need checking and the tallying and awards done. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 07:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
C/p'd from WT:MILHIST, sorry. Hi all, the election for the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees is open. Determine what candidates fit your views and make your voices heard—these people are going to be making some very significant decisions for the future of the movement. I personally used the Signpost's 1-5 rating scale because it was quick and easy; more detailed questions and answers are available. Bottom line: go vote! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 08:47, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed that the project surpassed its objective "10% of all articles rated B-Class or better: 100.3% complete"! Should we change the target, increasing the goal to 12 or 15%? MisterBee1966 ( talk) 07:40, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Hiya, my names Luis,
Is there a process to gain membership or join the Task Force? I in particular enjoy WW2 Articles. and i would love to help in any way i can!
Thanks!
-- Luis Santos24 ( talk) 19:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
G'day all, Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/United Nations Confidence Restoration Operation in Croatia is our oldest ACR. It has been open since 7 March, has attracted a couple of supports and an image review, and seems to travelling pretty well. Just wanted to see if anyone could jump in with a review. I reviewed at GAN and made quite a few edits what with c/e etc, so I don't think I'd be considered completely uninvolved. I also try to steer clear of ACRs on the recent wars in the former Yugoslavia, as I may be too close to see the wood for the trees. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 04:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers § RfC: What does DATETIES mean for articles on US military personnel? for a discussion on which date format should be preferred for articles on US military personnel. — sroc 💬 09:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, I noticed that Milhistbot isn't updating the FP section in Template:WPMILHIST Announcements - the nominations listed there as "current" were all closed in February. Anybody know what's going on? Parsecboy ( talk) 20:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm going through the backlog of unassessed articles and have just finished assessment on a dozen articles on the tunnelling companies (this one, for example: 257th_Tunnelling_Company. These articles are fundamentally the same, using the same sources and the same text. I suspect, at this point, they would be better off as a list, but am not sure how to proceed. I'm willing to do the list, although I'd prefer someone with better wiki skills at charting etc do it, but I'm not sure if I should do this given that ViennaUK and Occultzone are no longer with us, for various reasons (was ViennaUK one of oZ's puppets?) Any suggestions? auntieruth (talk) 13:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, could one of the admins who watch this page please close WP:ANI#Topic-Ban of User:Middayexpress from all Somalia-related topics (which relates to this project) and implement what they judge the result to be. There appears to be a clear consensus, and several editors have asked for it to be closed so it should be a straightforward job. Nick-D ( talk) 03:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
May I ask for arbitration in context of Trekphiler ( talk · contribs). He keeps deleting cited information from the articles Günther Prien and Heinrich Liebe. I tried explaining to him here that the situation is somewhat unique as the information in question pertains to Prien and Liebe (and a few others). I want to avoid an edit war over the subject. His rather rude remark on my talk page does not indicate that he understands why this information is important or is willing to engage in a discussion. Thanks MisterBee1966 ( talk) 19:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi coords, I'd love your feedback on this: WT:MILHIST#A veteran’s Wikipedia edits help him understand the brutality behind Yugoslavia’s wars. Thanks! Ed Erhart (WMF) ( talk) 22:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Next week I am going to depart the country for two weeks for the 2015 International Wheelchair Basketball Federation (IWBF) Women’s U25 World Wheelchair Basketball Championship in Beijing, China. In addition to the host nation, Australia, Canada, Germany, Great Britain and Japan will be competing. According to the Signpost, I may or may not have access to Wikipedia. The MilHistBot will therefore be running unattended. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 23:57, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Made a start on this, though GANs still need adding. Dan, per your comments last quarter, I've left your FACs to you. Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:52, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Could an uninvolved admin pls have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AnnalesSchool? Given the renewed disruption at Talk:Greco-Italian War I've opened another investigation; however, there seems to be a back log at SPI so these investigations seem to sometimes take several weeks to get any attention which pretty much defeats their purpose (there is never a cop around when you need one it seems...). Anyway if an admin is available to review the evidence I have presented and make a ruling that would be greatly appreciated. If more evidence is req'd pls let me know and I'll try to provide it. Thanks in advance. Anotherclown ( talk) 22:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
G'day @ WP:MILHIST coordinators: , if someone could check my entries, I believe the June contest log is otherwise wrapped up and awards can then be issued. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 04:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page /info/en/?search=USS_Stark_incident needs references, and the official military history of the incident is at: http://www.jag.navy.mil/library/investigations/uss%20stark%20basic.pdf as an unclassified document but with many names only referenced by a code, such as B1. Instead under the heading notes it seems to contain a published report combining 3 ship attack incidents but the link doesn't work.
The Wikipedia page /info/en/?search=USS_Stark_(FFG-31)should reference the many other articles on the USS Stark and perhaps be combined with the aforementioned incident report at some point.
I also suggest adding a page on the inefficiencies of war. There seem to be many more related articles than those shown that can be found in Wikipedia just with a search of Wikipedia "USS Stark" which brought up 9,070 entries. This would be a good project for a few history classes to do as a set of assignments or for someone with greater interest in military history than I have. I only came across this looking up a reference for an alleged Iranian attack on a US warship and that lead me to the actually Iraqi attack on the USS Stark by links.
My father was in the USAF but I never was into military history. but I would like to see an article on unnecessary war expense and waste that lets those still living past the statute of limitations report without fear of prosecution in wonton waste. I for example heard from an ex-Navy man that when the river gunboats in Vietnam could not replenish their Sterno to cook with they burned C-4, more than a 1,000 times more expense and just reported it exploded. Today's self heating ready to eat meals probably eliminate this problem as long as they provide a way also to heat a drink like coffee. The obvious solution would have been to oversupply Sterno cans but what those higher in the chain of command don't even know is rarely corrected in wartime and no one wants to be criminally held accountable for clear misuse of government property, but it happens with every war and could be fixed by the next war. SeniorMoment (pen name) ( talk) 16:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)SeniorMoment (pen name)
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Here's the data: I haven't been supporting at A-class for a while (but I'm always available when the article gets to FAC). Recent A-class promotions have taken longer to garner supports, if any. The oldest article currently at A-class is already A-class; the second oldest has a support from Anotherclown, who hasn't reviewed at A-class since then (which he warned us about). No. 77 Squadron RAAF has a support from Sturm, but then, Ian is always going to get supports. AustralianRupert has continued to review and support, but he indicated during coord elections that he has commitments now and he's going to have to cut back. Other than that ... there isn't a single support for any of the current A-class articles, though there are a few reviews that may turn into supports, and auntieruth, Sturm, and Ian have been doing a lot of reviews ... much obliged. Still, this level of activity is a big drop from what we've seen the past few years.
In light of the data, my vote would be to give it a little longer and see if a new crop of devoted reviewers shows up, or if more people who nominate start sharing the workload. If that doesn't happen, then we should let nominators know that A-class is slower these days, so that they don't get a false sense that they're doing something wrong, and so that they know to go to PR or FAC (or GAN, if applicable) if they're looking for a quicker response. Needless to say, I'm not assigning blame here ... everyone's a volunteer, and people are busy doing other useful things. - Dank ( push to talk) 16:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
We had a problem with the MilHistBot. An ACR article that was failed was listed on the review page as a redirect. The Bot was unable to find the assessment page on the review page and remove it. As a result, it kept finding the assessment on the review page and attempted to fail it every time it ran (every hour). I have made two corrections:
Therefore, this error should not recur, and errors of this type should not recur. My apologies for the inconvenience. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 23:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
There is information missing from Sikorsky h34 page, specifically on the Incidents section, that maybe isn´t important to many people, but here in Uruguay it is to many, and it is an incident that must not be forgotten, i was there when I was 7. Many people died and lots were mutilated, and there was a cover-up of this because the sale of this old machines from the U.S.A. was done in a corrupt operation, and when they failed later at an air show full with civilians, there were huge efforts to cover it up. Yesterday 14th of november was the 43th anniversary of this. I think I don´t have the skills needed to add this info to a Wikipedia page so that´s why I´m asking for help. A documentary was recently done. More info here: http://helicesdoc.com/ Thank you.
Maverick528 ( talk) 12:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)maverick528
The discussion at Talk:World War II#Request for comment: WWII infobox appears to have concluded. Could an uninvolved coordinator please close this discussion and implement whatever they judge the consensus to be? Thanks Nick-D ( talk) 10:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
I am doing a small research project, and I need to know the total number of people who have served in the military forces of the United States of America from 1776 to present. I haven't been able to find this info anywhere so far. Do you have this info or can you tell me where I might get it. Thanks. BuzzWe ( talk) 17:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
In the article Treaty of Trianon I found the text below:
The treaty was dictated by the Allies rather than negotiated and the Hungarians had no option but to accept its terms.[11] The Hungarian delegation signed the treaty under protest
Aren't the above facts self-implied? As far as I know, after any military conflict the winners dictate the terms of the peace treaties to the losers (and don't negotiate with the defeated sided when taking the decisions).
So, is it necessary to include the phrase above? Undecand ( talk)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: It looks like the Signpost is getting ready to run another article about MILHIST. This is potentially a good opportunity for us to recruit more participants, so I'd encourage anyone with the time and inclination to respond to the interview questions. Kirill [talk] 01:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
It appears that Operation Majestic Titan has officially crossed the tranwiki barrier, as according to the project now has a page on the Russian Wikipedia.
Also, a look through our talk page suggests that it may be time for a little archiving. We got talk page material going all the way back to April, hence the suggestion :) TomStar81 ( Talk) 02:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
We are a little more than a week out from December 1, which for us means that its time to start thinking about setting up the nominations sections for the military historian and newcomer of the year. Based on previous years, I would propose that the nominations run for roughly a week, then voting for roughly a week, then the award ceremony. Are there any objections? TomStar81 ( Talk) 13:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: Since its December 1st, I would propose we adopt one of the two following time lines for the awards process:
I'll move to set up the nominations and election sections myself, but in the interest of transparency I'd like to keep some feedback on which of the two timelines the rest of you like. TomStar81 ( Talk) 03:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not in New York, and its not quite Saturday night yet, but we are live for the end of the year awards. Now all we need are the people to nominate the editors and we are set. To affect that last part, perhaps a mass message announcing the opening of the nomination period would be in our best interest. TomStar81 ( Talk) 00:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Diannaa ( talk · contribs) has been double nom'ed, I see. I've no idea what to do about it so for now its just something to watch. TomStar81 ( Talk) 10:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: I've archived the nominations and opened the voting, however I could use an extra set of eyes to ensure that I got everything right. In particular, I trimmed the editors to declines to be considered for the awards, and combined the two nominations for Dianna into one nom. I did not see that the newcomer nomination for the professor had been resolved, so I removed him without prejudice until the question on a Wikipedia account can be answered. I also sent out a mass message - again - and THIS time I got the right list on the first try. Is there anything else that needs to be done, reformatted, added, subtracted or otherwise tinkered with here? TomStar81 ( Talk) 00:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Can we have a more formalized nomination statement that includes the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on? I can't tell very easily who has done what, and I suspect that will lead many people to vote for names they know or not at all. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: – I am seeking guidance from other Military History Coordinators to my involvement of several "GA-class" assessed articles in WikiProject Military History. In my opinion some paragraphs require a {{citation needed}}, some editors have responded to my original re-assessment of these articles. They of course, do not think my request is basically non-sense. The claim that all of the paragraphs have been cited (which of course is incorrect). If these paragraphs were cited then they would place the citation from the following paragraph to the end of the paragraph. It's very little work and of course I do not have any resources or intentions of improving those articles, I am looking at the articles in a view of there should be a citation there and there. I know my article of Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher went through hell and back at "GA-class" as well as being correctly cited as a WP:Military History article for that assessment which of course every article that goes through that here in WP:Military History (and no other WikiProject, if it meets WP:MH, GA-class I would bump up all the others) ... why should these articles be any different? Adamdaley ( talk) 06:21, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I realize that this is rather out of the blue, but I got to thinking about some discussions we had a few years back about reorganizing our task forces. Given that the glory days of Wikipedia editing seem to be over insofar as we've been losing editors on site more than we have been gaining them I wonder if it would be worth revisiting the idea again. I remember that the discussions did result in the merging of two or three task forces, and I recall that I had advocated for geographical task forces to be reorganized under a continental system, with a subcontinental system for nations or regions that were in questionable areas. Just as a testing the water exercise, would anyone here care to revisit the issue, or should we let sleep soundly in our memories? TomStar81 ( Talk) 11:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Will the person responsible for archiving this page please do so (judiciously of course)? It's incredibly long and my computer crashes if I try to add something. auntieruth (talk) 15:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to join the WW1 Task force and I don't know what to do, can you help me out here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke Skywalker01 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi all! I recently nominated user User:Saxum as a newcomer of the year, but they are active in the MILHIST area for a week or two more than a year. I would appreciate coord feedback if the nom is inappropriate before the voting starts just to prevent any avoidable misunderstandings and give the project coords heads-up if some other form of recognition for Saxum's considerable achievement in their first year of contribution to the project is in order. Cheers.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 13:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Because my access to the server will be limited during the holiday season, I am reducing the frequency of the MilHistBot's A class run from hourly to daily. This will give me more time to fix any problems that may occur in the transition from 2014 to 2015. It will run a few minutes after 0000Z. Depending on when you make the triggering update, it may take up to 24 hours top process the request. All other runs (such as the announcements update) will run daily as usual. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 18:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I do enjoy it! Especially the pictures, which are amazing. I have no idea how anyone can clean them up so well! And seeing all we've accomplished in the month, too! auntieruth (talk) 20:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: G'day all, a very new user has nominated M14 Half-track for ACR. IMO it is a quick-fail, and I'm planning to do just that. I have gently advised the nominator about Milhist assessment, have invited them to join Milhist, and have offered help if they want it. Any repechages on the quick-fail? Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 23:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
The MilHistBot script that updates the announcements page suffered a failure due to a page with a corrupt Talk page. The page has been corrected. A fix has also been developed, but I cannot implement it at the present time. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 04:12, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I note a genuine hole in most WWII coverage on Wiki. It seems as if WWII in the Pacific was Pearl Harbor, a few Marines taking beaches against impossible odds and then we dropped the bomb, the end. Nothing else happened and no one else was there.
A good example of this is PUC site which does not mention a single bomb group from the 5th Air Force. Even your entry on the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, for which the 43rd BG received their PUC, you have units mislabeled on the Order of Battle.
Another example. You have nothing on the 4 raids on Balikpapan. This was the Ploesti of the Pacific. The first 2 went in with no fighter cover and got chewed up. The 3rd raid featured Chas. Lindbergh's modification to the P-38 allowing for limited fighter coverage. He actually flew this raid and is credited with a kill. The 4th raid had enough cover that effective damage was done.
I realize that Lindbergh getting a kill and B-24's flying raids over the largest Japanese held oil field and refinery isn't worth mentioning when compared to a Tiger tank commander somewhere in Russia. You might want to at least mention Battles in the Pacific like Huggins Road Block (the entry on Buna-Goa is like making one entry for the entire Italian Campaign, the parachute drop on Dobadura witnessed from the air by McArthur in his B-17, etc.
Michael La Vean Historian 43rd Bomb Group Association lavean@Hotmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavean ( talk • contribs) 17:55, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
The article Amphetamine appears on the list of Mil Hist articles under FAR. Although I'm sure there is use of amphetamine in various militaries, it doesn't appear that this is a legitimate MilHistory article, nor could I discover any coding within the talk page that would cause it to appear on our lists. I tried to review it and quite honestly could not understand its concepts. This is not a good sign for FAR; I think articles should be at least accessible to a smart undergraduate (which I am not). Whatever it's merits, I'm wondering why it is showing up in MilHist articles? Any ideas? Ruth auntieruth (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
My father passed away in 2010, a veteran of WWII and the Korean War. Several boxes of documents and photos were recovered from his last home and given to me. Now I too am old and cannot sort these things out. Is there anyone who would value them enough to review the material and determine whether any of it might be archived or even published? Today I found a book about "Stilwell and the American Experience in China" with an inscription to my father, George D. Bottoms, Captain US Army Combat Engineers,written by Maj. General Haydon L. Boatner, who is mentioned in the book. There is correspondence and a book autographed by Girsham, the "Burma Surgeon" and many slides and photographs. Please advise soon as my wife wants to trash everything, Regards, G. Daniel Bottoms III 128 S. Western Ave. Aurora, IL 60506 cell: 630-306-1728 email: gdbthird@yahoo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.86.216.39 ( talk) 19:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
All awards have been handed out as of the date stamp on the end of this message, which officially concludes our 2014 Year In Review Award review. Thanks to everyone who participated. TomStar81 ( Talk) 08:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: After an exhaustive 7.5 hour review of the FA-Class material from our project for the year, I've compiled a list of editors who I think we should honor before the end of the year. Some of these guys may have earned numerical awards (like the FA ribbon), others we can take the opportunity to check and award Barnstars or other awards that they may have earned but not yet recieved (IE: ships barnstar for nautical related work, wiki-wings for airplanes, etc).
Note that there is unfortunately some built in error to this, as we have no formal automated system to track all the people who would get awards this list only takes into account the 2014 tally's, and because its was done manually some material may have slipped through the cracks (though I've taken as much care as I can to see to it that such occurrences did not happen) Additionally, as we have no formally recognized system for tracking featured media, I've listed those FPC and other such materials on grounds of whether or not they were relevant in a the given primary article.
This list is as follows:
For every editor listed, I would recommend an Epic Barnstar be given for "...particularly fine History and Events- related contributions." As to the rest of the awards for the individuals listed here, I've sorted them by editor and the area of contributions. To keep size down, the awards are listed with "nowiki" parameters, but you can use the master WP:Barnstar page as a cheat sheet to find the associated award and its description, or alternatively edit to remove the "nowiki" code to glimpse the award itself if you're better with visuals. TomStar81 ( Talk) 00:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Sturmvogel 66
Ian Rose
Hawkeye7
Parsecboy
Cliftonian
Wehalt
HJ Mitchell
Khanate General
Peter Isotalo
Dudley Miles {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Hch2009 {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Singles Those in this category receive the epic barnstar for history related contributions. Where two editors are present for the same article the left and right side of a barnstar will also be presented.
For each person listed here, a tireless contributor barnstar for working on a large body of work without sacrificing quality in addition to any other awards judge to be relevant to the body of work in question. In the event that two editors worked on a list a left and right side of a barnstar will be issued to recognize the efforts of both parties.
Paresecboy {{subst:The Featured List Medal|message ~~~~}} {{subst:WikiProject Ships Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Maile66 {{subst:The Featured List Medal|message ~~~~}} {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Singles
For each contributor here, a wikiproject barnstar for photographic work. As we've a limited supply of barnstars for visual related work, I'd propose one additional award based on any common theme for the images in question be presented to the editors when applicable (ie: a biography barnstar for portraits of people, a ships barnstar for ships, wings or aircraft, etc). As always, if there are two people in the nom the left and right half of a barnstar for each.
Godot13 File:Barnstarnumismatics.png - an unofficial barnstar design for WP:numanistics for the the USA, CSA, and IJA monetary sets promoted to FP status
Tomer T
Crisco 1492 {{subst:The Biography Barnstar|message ~~~~}} - several people pictures
Adam Cuerden I'd be of the mind to entertain the idea of either a milhist chevrons or perhaps a chevron w/oak leaves fro this amount of work, there are a bunch of images in these noms.
{{subst:WikiProject Ships Barnstar|message ~~~~}}
Yakiki
Yerevantsi
JJARichardson
Brandmeister
Singles
Hey all, I've started the review tally for this quarter - could someone please count GA reviews and distribute review awards? Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 19:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ian, you have more patience than I have. I'll start on the gongs tomorrow. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 10:39, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Hey all - you may or may not know that DANFS recently updated the links to their articles (see the discussion here). We not have a lot of dead links that need to be fixed. I was thinking we might be able to put together a drive to fix them all, similar to the backlog reduction drives we've done in the past, since this does not appear to be a task that can be easily fixed with a bot (see Trappist's comments in the above thread). Any thoughts? Parsecboy ( talk) 14:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm gathering material for articles on the British nuclear weapons. According to the article on the successor to the UK Trident system, a decision is not expected until next year, but if anything happens, could someone let me know? Similarly, the US is considering an Ohio Replacement Submarine. Apparently, it is going to cost a shipload of money even by American standards (About $95 billion and change), so they are probably going to take it off-budget. Again, if anything happens, could someone let me know. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 02:11, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, who do we have in the project who is also a veteran? I'm writing up an interview with Pendright, a WWII vet, and wanted to seek out a second person's thoughts on editing articles about things they've served on or campaigns they've participated in. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I've got a new job, I'm writing the daily Main Page paragraphs for
Today's Featured Article ... co-writing really, since I aim to keep as much of the original text from an article's lead section as I can. I was hoping that the job wouldn't be too much of a time sink, but the more I do it, the more uncomfortable the status quo feels. There's even less wiggle-room at TFA than at FAC; things are supposed to be "right", but 10 copyeditors would produce 10 different paragraphs. I'm not going to assert that I'm The Decider on prose questions, but when I step back and let people slug it out, some feel that I'm shirking my responsibility, and the more people fight over something, the worse things get. So, I need to do a lot of work asking people about prose rules and documenting those decisions. If anyone wants to participate in surveys, drop me a note on my talk page. I'm going to have to pull back a bit at A-class and FAC: if I'm finding that copyediting is an effort, then I'll do what I can with the lead section (I work from the lead at TFA) and give a quick opinion, and stop there. @
Anotherclown,
AustralianRupert,
Ian Rose,
Nick-D,
Hawkeye7,
Hchc2009, and
Nikkimaria: Thanks for keeping A-class humming, I wouldn't feel right about slowing down there without your tireless efforts. And thanks to all the noms for making this job such a pleasure. This new documentation project won't take forever, but it will be a while. - Dank (
push to talk)
15:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Good Morning. My name is Jerad Bane. Previously with the Assault and Barrier Platoon, 307th Eng Bn, 82nd Airborne from 2000-2004. One tour Afghanistan, one tour Iraq. I am contacting you because a battle buddy recently reached out to me and couldn't believe there was no mention of the origin of FOB Salerno. A detachment of combat engineers and operators from my platoon (A&B) along with a small mechanics detail (muse stick) were the first boots on the ground in 2002 for months. The only ones that proceeded us is a SF team which stayed in a small building. While being airdropped building supplies like hescos we took incoming mortars and small arms fire nightly, but never during the day. We contracted local vehicles and workers to assist in filling the hescos for the perimeter. We cleared acres of marijuana that grew freely like weeds and constructed a giant burning pit the dump trucks would deliver piles from the clearing for incineration. We also established relations with the local war lord and townspeople to try and work out a beneficial relationship. I personally dug all the drainage ditches by hand with my battle buddies, and after one surprise flash monsoon, drainage failed, base flooded, and we had to adjust the drainage by hand with piss and shit water up to our chests...... which in turn gave several of us dysentery. The one medic we had with us was only able to give us motion sickness pills to assist while we struggled through the sickness. We ate goat stew with the locals and wild chickens when we ran out of MREs. After months of being there solo, a small unit of infantry then showed up. One of our mechanics actually spent 3 days in their only water source, an old pump house powered by a model t engine, and repaired it restoring water to the region for their crops for drinking/bathing.
I have several photos of us and the unconstructed area. Along with several photos of it slowly coming together. Additionally some of us have ARCOMS/AAMs that were awarded for being the first there securing the area and building it. We built the only dirt runway in that entire area, and have a photo of some of us standing in front of the very first C-130 landing on it.
I don't know how to use Wikipedia, or know anything about editing it, and respect those of you who have taken your time to put this information together on the FOB but hope that someone reading this can please, please help me in giving credit to my unit.
If there is anything I can do to assist you further don't hesitate to contact me. Thank You 12.144.110.131 ( talk) 15:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)Jerad Bane 12.144.110.131 ( talk) 15:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC) big_bane@msn.com 262-496-2724
G'day @ WP:MILHIST coordinators: Have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment#Task forces (periods and conflicts). I think this is related to the issues I was having trying to use them for the quarterly GAR tallying. Who is responsible for these widgets? Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 23:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Gday ladies and gentlemen. I know this isn't really a function of the MILHIST co-ordinators but as you guys are amoung the more active in the project and take the lead on administrative aspects I'm hoping one of the co-ordinators might be able to finalise a few open GARs, or at least provide some advice.
Is there any way have start-class articles that completely lack a B-class checklist show up in Category:Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists? 67.239.119.192 ( talk) 19:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I've been staring at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources for the last few months think about how we may be able to replicate the page in some manner, however I had an idea this morning about how such a process may be applied to our project. I was wondering if it would be possible to set up a bot to automatically track and add sources from any article tagged as being within the scope of our project to sourcing section to create a source library from which members who may be looking for information to improve articles that they are working on can come to and browse through to see which sources have already been added to or otherwise on Wikipedia for military history related material. In this manner then both online and offline sources can be compiled in place for our members, and as an added bonus we can track the sources used against reliable sources lists to identify and remove anything added from unreliable sources. This idea of mine is still in its infancy (there are some issues that need to be hammered out for certain), however I think there is some potential here and I am interested to here what the rest of you have to say about this idea. TomStar81 ( Talk) 01:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello @ WP:MILHIST coordinators: The article for the U.S. 12th Armored Division ( /info/en/?search=12th_Armored_Division_(United_States) has a boilerplate notice dating from 2008 that the article lacked appropriate inline citations. In addition, the article was very incomplete, sections were lifted verbatim from the article for a former regiment which became one of the tank battalions within the Division, ignoring all of the other Battalions and omitting key details. There was a single linked reference. This article was extensively revised, more than tripled in length, increasing the verifiable references to 33 and adding 12 external sources and then posted on 3 February 2015. Please consider removing the notice of the need for additional citations. I would be happy to add any other historical details or references to bring the article up to standard. N0TABENE ( talk) 22:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: A member of this project, Buggie111 ( talk · contribs) is currently a candidate for adminship. All interested members may weigh in on his adminship request at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Buggie111 2. TomStar81 ( Talk) 04:21, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I don't see this as a violation of WP:CANVASS. If the MilHist wikiproject was perceived as a heavily politicised group on the Wikipedia, I might feel differently, but I think that the very small risk that someone might decide to politically support or oppose a candidacy based on the candidate's interest in Military History is hugely outweighed by the convenience of informing their fellow editors that a RFA is in the pipeline, who can then comment on their suitability or not. I'd add that I wouldn't have been aware of Buggie's RFA without Tom's note here. Hchc2009 ( talk) 09:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
If any of the coordinators who is also an admin remains WP:UNINVOLVED regarding User:AnnalesSchool, could they please look into their conduct and consider whether to institute a block? Nick-D ( talk) 11:11, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Someone want to take a look at this? It'll be within our scope apparently because its about a battle, however I've never seen a portal devoted to just one battle. I'm therefore on the fence about how to approach this. TomStar81 ( Talk) 11:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, I've started the review tally for this quarter - could someone please count GA reviews and distribute review awards? Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 20:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
If we're done, I'll get on with awarding. Any last repachages? Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 07:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
A Gallipoli focused Edit-a-thon will be held at the National Library of Wales on the 23rd of April. Please spread the word and, if you live in the UK, consider attending. Jason.nlw ( talk) 09:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Constance Stokes (not a Milhist article) was on the Main Page yesterday, and started off "... was a modernist Australian painter working in Victoria.", until this edit yesterday changed it to "... who worked in Victoria". The same change was made to the TFA text at exactly the time it was coming off the Main Page, so I reverted. That editor has just left a message on my talk page here saying that who was working in Victoria "would not make sense" (and I guess working in Victoria didn't make sense to that editor either.) My position is those two phrases mean the same thing (one is short for the other) and aren't ungrammatical in any flavor of English, but I think I've seen the "ing" in this context more often in AusEng Milhist articles (it's not as common in AmEng), so if any Australians want to weigh in on my talk page on whether it sounds right or wrong, please do ... or else similar language (which I've seen in a lot of Milhist articles) may get challenged again at TFA. - Dank ( push to talk) 19:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
@ WP:MILHIST coordinators: if someone has a few lazy minutes, T&J and my entries in the April contest still need checking and the tallying and awards done. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 07:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
C/p'd from WT:MILHIST, sorry. Hi all, the election for the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees is open. Determine what candidates fit your views and make your voices heard—these people are going to be making some very significant decisions for the future of the movement. I personally used the Signpost's 1-5 rating scale because it was quick and easy; more detailed questions and answers are available. Bottom line: go vote! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 08:47, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed that the project surpassed its objective "10% of all articles rated B-Class or better: 100.3% complete"! Should we change the target, increasing the goal to 12 or 15%? MisterBee1966 ( talk) 07:40, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Hiya, my names Luis,
Is there a process to gain membership or join the Task Force? I in particular enjoy WW2 Articles. and i would love to help in any way i can!
Thanks!
-- Luis Santos24 ( talk) 19:49, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
G'day all, Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/United Nations Confidence Restoration Operation in Croatia is our oldest ACR. It has been open since 7 March, has attracted a couple of supports and an image review, and seems to travelling pretty well. Just wanted to see if anyone could jump in with a review. I reviewed at GAN and made quite a few edits what with c/e etc, so I don't think I'd be considered completely uninvolved. I also try to steer clear of ACRs on the recent wars in the former Yugoslavia, as I may be too close to see the wood for the trees. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 04:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers § RfC: What does DATETIES mean for articles on US military personnel? for a discussion on which date format should be preferred for articles on US military personnel. — sroc 💬 09:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, I noticed that Milhistbot isn't updating the FP section in Template:WPMILHIST Announcements - the nominations listed there as "current" were all closed in February. Anybody know what's going on? Parsecboy ( talk) 20:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm going through the backlog of unassessed articles and have just finished assessment on a dozen articles on the tunnelling companies (this one, for example: 257th_Tunnelling_Company. These articles are fundamentally the same, using the same sources and the same text. I suspect, at this point, they would be better off as a list, but am not sure how to proceed. I'm willing to do the list, although I'd prefer someone with better wiki skills at charting etc do it, but I'm not sure if I should do this given that ViennaUK and Occultzone are no longer with us, for various reasons (was ViennaUK one of oZ's puppets?) Any suggestions? auntieruth (talk) 13:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, could one of the admins who watch this page please close WP:ANI#Topic-Ban of User:Middayexpress from all Somalia-related topics (which relates to this project) and implement what they judge the result to be. There appears to be a clear consensus, and several editors have asked for it to be closed so it should be a straightforward job. Nick-D ( talk) 03:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
May I ask for arbitration in context of Trekphiler ( talk · contribs). He keeps deleting cited information from the articles Günther Prien and Heinrich Liebe. I tried explaining to him here that the situation is somewhat unique as the information in question pertains to Prien and Liebe (and a few others). I want to avoid an edit war over the subject. His rather rude remark on my talk page does not indicate that he understands why this information is important or is willing to engage in a discussion. Thanks MisterBee1966 ( talk) 19:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi coords, I'd love your feedback on this: WT:MILHIST#A veteran’s Wikipedia edits help him understand the brutality behind Yugoslavia’s wars. Thanks! Ed Erhart (WMF) ( talk) 22:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Next week I am going to depart the country for two weeks for the 2015 International Wheelchair Basketball Federation (IWBF) Women’s U25 World Wheelchair Basketball Championship in Beijing, China. In addition to the host nation, Australia, Canada, Germany, Great Britain and Japan will be competing. According to the Signpost, I may or may not have access to Wikipedia. The MilHistBot will therefore be running unattended. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 23:57, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Made a start on this, though GANs still need adding. Dan, per your comments last quarter, I've left your FACs to you. Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:52, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Could an uninvolved admin pls have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AnnalesSchool? Given the renewed disruption at Talk:Greco-Italian War I've opened another investigation; however, there seems to be a back log at SPI so these investigations seem to sometimes take several weeks to get any attention which pretty much defeats their purpose (there is never a cop around when you need one it seems...). Anyway if an admin is available to review the evidence I have presented and make a ruling that would be greatly appreciated. If more evidence is req'd pls let me know and I'll try to provide it. Thanks in advance. Anotherclown ( talk) 22:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
G'day @ WP:MILHIST coordinators: , if someone could check my entries, I believe the June contest log is otherwise wrapped up and awards can then be issued. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 04:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page /info/en/?search=USS_Stark_incident needs references, and the official military history of the incident is at: http://www.jag.navy.mil/library/investigations/uss%20stark%20basic.pdf as an unclassified document but with many names only referenced by a code, such as B1. Instead under the heading notes it seems to contain a published report combining 3 ship attack incidents but the link doesn't work.
The Wikipedia page /info/en/?search=USS_Stark_(FFG-31)should reference the many other articles on the USS Stark and perhaps be combined with the aforementioned incident report at some point.
I also suggest adding a page on the inefficiencies of war. There seem to be many more related articles than those shown that can be found in Wikipedia just with a search of Wikipedia "USS Stark" which brought up 9,070 entries. This would be a good project for a few history classes to do as a set of assignments or for someone with greater interest in military history than I have. I only came across this looking up a reference for an alleged Iranian attack on a US warship and that lead me to the actually Iraqi attack on the USS Stark by links.
My father was in the USAF but I never was into military history. but I would like to see an article on unnecessary war expense and waste that lets those still living past the statute of limitations report without fear of prosecution in wonton waste. I for example heard from an ex-Navy man that when the river gunboats in Vietnam could not replenish their Sterno to cook with they burned C-4, more than a 1,000 times more expense and just reported it exploded. Today's self heating ready to eat meals probably eliminate this problem as long as they provide a way also to heat a drink like coffee. The obvious solution would have been to oversupply Sterno cans but what those higher in the chain of command don't even know is rarely corrected in wartime and no one wants to be criminally held accountable for clear misuse of government property, but it happens with every war and could be fixed by the next war. SeniorMoment (pen name) ( talk) 16:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)SeniorMoment (pen name)