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I think that Jewish dates (23 Kislev, etc.) should have pages just like April 23. I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Jewish dates; please continue discussion there.— msh210℠ 00:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone is interested, Night (book), Elie Wiesel's story, is up for featured article status. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Could I ask that at least one religious/observant Jew take a look at my comments at Talk:Hasidic Judaism#Very POV link? The link strikes me as unrepresentative of Hasidism, but perhaps it is all too representative and should stay. In any case, if it stays it should be better captioned. I don't feel qualified to make the judgment on this one. - Jmabel | Talk 02:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, we're getting an influx of what appears to be Messianic Jewish POVs in The Third Temple and Shekhina articles giving what are claimed to be mainstream Christian POVs that -- I don't know for sure -- I suspect aren't very mainstream. Seeems like a repeat of a discussion we had a while back about Passover in which a Jesus-as-Passover-Offering POV was presented (except here we gave Jesus-as-Temple and Holy-Spirit-as-Shekhinah). Can someone with more knowledge of Christianity than myself check these claims out and see if we're getting a representive or a tiny-minority POV here? Also, the relevance of some of the material seems shaky -- there's a discussion going on in the articles' talk pages. Perhaps this could be checked out as well. -- Shirahadasha 03:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone seen the award proposal page? Is there any interest in proposing an award for this wikiproject?
This is a simple sample of what one could look like. If you think it's appropriate, please place a proposal on the page. evrik 18:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
here's my creation. simple and doesn't ruin the somewhat standardized aesthetic of wikipedia. -- User:Yung Wei 綪永徽 01:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I love the third version! Elizmr 18:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's an alternate version I just made:
Unfortunately, my Photoshop abilities don't measure up to those of whomever created the original barnstar... -- Eliyak T· C 10:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a vocabulary question at Talk:Aliyah#before and after the reading - Jmabel | Talk 19:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team for Wikipedia 1.0 would like you to identify the " key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the Judaism WikiProject article table any articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one (new) for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist like this one automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! Walkerma 04:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Since Wikiversity recently launched, I think there should be a presense of WikiProject Judaism in it. If anyone wants to teach any subject releated on Judaism or wants to help the project in anyway, please let me know.
Masterhomer
06:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
CALL TO ARMS: CREATE THE FIRST OPEN JEWISH STUDIES COLLEGE IN THE WORLD
Wikiversity: School of Jewish Studies
I understand there is an official policy for how Hebrew terms should be transliterated, Wikipedia: Naming conventions (Hebrew), which requires modern Sephardic Hebrew as well as apostrophes in certain places. A number of articles -- Chanuyos comes to mind -- are titled in Ashkenazic Hebrew and would need to be renamed, and vast numbers of articles have various words in variant transliterations. There had been a previous discussion about carving out an exception, e.g. for Ashkenazic individual and place names, but this exception doesn't seem to have made its way into the policy. -- Shirahadasha 16:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, we're having an interest mix of academics (including folks arguing for Tiberian Hebrew since, being the ancestor of all modern dialects, it's considered philologically representative of them all) and Haredi folks (including folks arguing for Ashkenazic Hebrew on grounds that any other use could lead to apostacy etc.) Perhaps some input from "regular" Hebrew users whose native language is English, and who could represent the interests of the average Jewish-interest Wikipedian, might be helpful. -- Shirahadasha 19:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the Rashi page to a prior edit because of the worst kind of vandalism. <samples removed. ← Humus sapiens ну? 00:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)> ( !Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 20:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC))
Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.-- JuanMuslim 1m 17:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Some editors dispute this. Please take a look and express yourself. ← Humus sapiens ну? 23:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
This edit claims to correct Exilarch. Since it is an anonymous uncited edit claiming to correct a statement from the Jewish Encyclopedia, I'm pretty skeptical. The issue is whether Jehoiachin (JE) or Zedekiah (anon., uncited) is the last king descended from David. Does anyone know if there is any reason at all to doubt the JE here? If so, please cite; if you are sure there is not, please revert. Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 04:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Transcribed and answered on article's talk section under heading "Which king was it?" -- Shirahadasha 05:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC).
I have created a new template {{ Hebrew script}}, to tag any articles about a place, name, or concept originally written in the Hebrew alphabet, but which does not include that version in the article. It adds these articles automatically to Category:Articles needing Hebrew script, where people knowledgeable in Hebrew can sort them out. The idea was based on {{ Arabic}}. Rigadoun (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the member list off WP:Judaism was not in alphabetical order (though it is supposed to be) and therefore I have taken the initiative to alphabetize it. Valley2city 21:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone explain what happened to the template section? I am confused and baffled.
Masterhomer
22:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I've requested an Editor review. If you have time, I'd very much appreciate your thoughts. Best, -- Shirahadasha 06:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Please add your learned comments whether Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai should be part of the Oral Torah article or not. See the discussions at Talk:Oral Torah#Defining Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai. Thank you. IZAK 08:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
NEW: On Wikiversity there is now a " Jewish Studies School." Will it become a "duplication" of many things on Wikipedia? What should it's goals and functions be? Please add your learned views. Thank you. IZAK 09:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Rescued from prod. Please improve. - CrazyRussian talk/ email 04:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
For anyone with an interest in all the articles about the Hebrew Bible; Tanakh, Torah and related subjects, User:FDuffy, who is very serious and devoted to the Biblical criticism POV (by his own admission he is a "third year theology student"), has recently resumed serious editing of Hebrew Bible articles and subjects. Please see the extensive edits via FDuffy's contibutions Your involvement, responses and edits would be important at this juncture, especially if you are capable of adding material from classical Judaic sources since most of these articles are lacking the teachings of Judaism, their obvious true source. Thank you. IZAK 11:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
User:FDuffy appears to have identified a single source for his claims that e.g. "most" scholars believe that Samuel in the story of Hannah really refers to Saul. (The source is identified in the King Saul article, although the claim has been added to a number of other articles without copying the source citation). The source indicated is the personal web site of one Rabbi Moshe Reiss, [1], a self-published source. Per WP:RS,
None of the exceptions to self-published sources (e.g. by someone known to be highly regarded in a field) appear to apply here. Accordingly, it appears that all this content is unsourced and should be deleted. I believe this is particularly so since the content makes claims such as "most textual scholars" hold, claims that are clearly so untenable in light of the sources provided as to cast even more doubt on this content. -- Shirahadasha 18:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The Jewish Encyclopedia says, among other things (note that some of the hyperlinked words are missing from my cut + paste here for some reason):
The New American Bible, in a footnote for 1 Samuel 1:20 says:
It seems to me that far from being interested in checking sources, that Shirahadasha, Jfdwolff, and IZAK are far more interested in removing any material that contradicts their literalist/semi-literalist stances on the accuracy of the Bible. Im not sure where the passage that Shirahadasha has quoted derives from, but selectively reading sources, and missing out the main arguments is really not appropriate. And claiming that my source is the website of some Rabbi is completely disingenuous - I had never heard of the Rabbi or website in question until Shirahadasha mentioned it, and I certainly do not see, having read the website, how it could even be considered to be my source. --User talk:FDuffy 14:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I should add that now I will be a 4th year (or rather an MA) theology student. And by the way, being a theology student does not intrinsically make you have a POV; and to suggest otherwise is simply Anti-Intellectualism. Also note that Biblical criticism, for those that don't know, is simply the rigourous treatment of the Bible as a historical text (the word criticism here being a reference to historical criticism (a method of study employed by nearly all historians of literature), rather than meaning anti); it is not a POV - to claim that Biblical criticism has a POV is tantamount to claiming that breathing is a biased action. --User talk:FDuffy
For your information, Jfdwolff, the quote from Jeremiah on my user page is in reference to the documentary hypothesis and how it is backed up even from within the Bible at face value. If I had such a lack of respect for tradition, then how come I always include the classical rabbinical viewpoint where the Jewish Encyclopedia mentions it?--User talk:FDuffy 14:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
FDuffy, the Jewish Encyclopedia is not the final word, neither on Rabbinical scholarship or on the Documentary Hypothesis. Quite on the contrary, it is >100 years old, and even in its day represented a stream in Rabbinical scholarship that was rather innovative (to use an euphemism). Many of the points you quote as the gospel (no pun intended) are highly, highly speculative and rather easily disproven by a slightly less radical look at the text.
I have no doubt that you want to improve the critical scholarship in Wikipedia, and I agree that articles should have reasonable coverage of all views in Bible articles, quite unlike your characterisation of me as a literalist and an anti-intellectual. Your big problem, as I've said only several times in the past, is your failure to cite your sources adequately. Have a look at aprotinin. Before I touched it, it looked monstrous - clearly written by someone with an agenda. [2] It lacked historical context, basic biochemistry etc etc. With the judicious use of good sources it wasn't even too difficult to arrive at the much more relevant, NPOV and well-sourced article that we have now. Similar things can be done with Bible articles. If you represent the POV of the Jewish Encyclopedia or Richard Elliott Friedmann, then CITE IT. However, if you are simply inserting your own thought, then stop, because WP:NOR is one of Wikipedia's strongest policies.
Have you thought about fixing your signature, by the way? JFW | T@lk 19:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Friedmann tries to read things into that sentence that are not readily there. It is quite a feat to suggest that Jer 8:8 refers to the scribes rather than the people purposedly misreading their writings - simply from the verse's context. I admire the creativity, but it's not the plain meaning - or pshat in the terminology of Jewish exegesis.
Lev 18:22 is completely ambiguous as to whether the intercourse is anal, penetrative etc. All it says is "ve-et zachar lo tishkav mishkevei isha" - "do not lie with a man as one would lie with a woman". The term mishkav is not necessarily penetrative, nor does it definitely indicate that it is anal. Only through exegesis does Jewish law take this to refer to male penetrative behaviour. Female homosexuality is only banned by rabbinic law in Judaism, and is not derived from this verse at all. JFW | T@lk 15:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
You were fairly unclear. You said "lev. 18:22 actually mentions male-male anal sex" while it doesn't. It is correct that while Jewish law forbids fantasising about sin, is does not ban "being gay" but rather the act. JFW | T@lk 23:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
User:FDuffy claims that the Jewish Encyclopedia supports his position and brings a quote from it as evidence. The problem with this argument is that the Jewish Encyclopedia quote plainly opposed FDuffy's position. It plainly and clearly states that it is interpreting Samuel as representing "asked of" God -- Saul -that is untenable. The Jewish Encyclopedia not only provides no support for FDuffy's position, it strongly and emphatically opposes it. Here is the qoute again:
FDuffy's whole argument rests on an assumption that Hannah's answer must represent the etymology of Samuel's name, only if one believes this could an anomaly be perceived. The Jewish Encyclopedia takes the contrary position, stating that a purely etomological interpretation is "untenable." The sources FDuffy supplies simply do not check out in a very basic way. These claims should be removed. Best -- Shirahadasha 14:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
It is not my argument. I do not make arguments, wikipedia is not about original research. What is or isn't logical, and whether or not you think it depends on belief, or the perception of an anomaly, is not important - you should not try to form an argument of this manner since you would be creating original research by doing so.
The argument clearly exists, is cited, and is notable - the only qualification required for being present in wikipedia. What you are disputing is whether the position is a majority one, and whether the Jewish Encyclopedia views the argument as accurate or not - as a Jewish Encyclopedia, in the era before editorial neutrality (ie wikipedia), I would hazard a guess that some editorial bias may have been present. This is not important; what is important is that the view exists, is notable, and mentioned by a respected encyclopedia. You would seem to be attempting to remove a view simply because you disagree with it - something not allowed.
As for other citations, which you have asked me to present, where this theory is produced:
--User talk:FDuffy 21:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
-- Could you please provide standard references with author, title, publication date, ISBN, page numbers if possible? Thanks. -- Shirahadasha 19:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I have reviewed an additional source user:FDuffy provided, Peake's Biblical Commentary and the version I found (Mathew Black, Peake's Commentary on the Bible. Routledge, 2001. ISBN 0415263557) says the following at p. 319:
I agree this commentary is a reliable source to support mention of the idea as a hypothesis. However, a plain reading suggests it describes the theory as a suggestion ("it has been suggested..."). This tentative statement of the view does not appear consistent with the use of emphatic language or claims that the idea is established among "most" academic scholars or with anything like the degree of evidence or support comparable to evolution. A lot of explanation (e.g. a later anti-monarchist author etc.) which does not appear to be in this source's commentary on the Hannah story (It may be elsewhere). The Hannah article (and others) need to be signifcantly toned down, to state only what the sources can support. It is the making of statements beyond what the sources can support, as well as Wikipedia's policy shouldering editors with the responsibility for supplying sources, that is at issue. If sources can simply supplied in accordance with policy, they could be quietly checked without all this fuss and bother. Best, -- Shirahadasha 22:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The anti-monarchist (aka republican) stuff is in the Jewish Encyclopedia (see for example the Samuel, Books of article) you will also find in Peake's at the start of the Samuel commentary (I.e. before 1 Samuel 1:1 is commented on).
Also note that the second sentence is quite definite - "but this interpretation belongs, etymologically to the name Saul", and not at all tentative - hence "most scholars" support the view that it belongs to Saul (to be true to the source one should perhaps say "all scholars", but evidently there will be some who disagree, just on religious grounds).
As a more general comment on Peakes, statements, suggestions, etc. given by the commentary are the majority view, unless otherwise stated, alternate views are given, or the view is attributed to a particular individual - these conditions are not met here, ergo it is the majority view. Other encyclopedia also present this view; Cheyne and Black for example state that it is "too clear for any trained biblical scholar to deny" and go so far as to propose the possibility that Saul may in fact be completely identical to Samuel (the latter being a theory that is definitely in a minority, and only suggested by Cheyne and Black as plausible, not probable).
As a word of caution, its probably best to be aware that Peake's is not out of copyright, and therefore that explicitely quoting from it verbatim is somewhat inappropriate (Im not sure of florida copyright law, so I dont know exactly how much can or cannot be quoted).
--User talk:FDuffy 22:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Check out - WikiProject Judaism Award. -- JuanMuslim 1m 03:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, a Judaism COTW is now established. Please help out and lets make this work.
Masterhomer
04:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I have just begun putting the public domain Jewish Encyclopedia online at Wikisource (see here). Not only is this an invaluable source of fantastic information; it can be mined for articles and images. Best of all, we can provide sources for statements by using projects within the Wikimedia family of projects. I encourage you to help in this effort. Danny 13:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
The current Sukkah article is about the masechta, not about the structure. Any takers? Tom e r talk 22:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone here have access to back issues of the British newspaper The Independent going back to 1990? The reason I ask is that I've worked for a while with other people on the Roald Dahl article dealing with his anti-Semitism. We've had a few anonymous users occasionally appear and try to reduce or delete this section of the article, but the charges are well-documented. Dahl long made anti-Semitic remarks, though he personally claimed to be only anti-Israel, not anti-Jewish. (It's a fact that he had several Jewish friends, who apparently viewed him as an Archie Bunker type.) However, shortly before his death in 1990, he finally admitted to The Independent that he was an anti-Semite. This last fact is one I remember being publicized back in 1990 when I was a teenager, but strangely I found no mention of it anywhere on the Internet. There was lots of information about Dahl's anti-Semitic statements in the 1980s, but it always gave the impression that Dahl went to his grave denying the charges. I finally dug up a reference to it in an old New York Times letter to the editor by Abraham Foxman that appeared shortly after Dahl's death, and this is the source I used in the Wikipedia article on Dahl. (The exact quote is as follows: "I am certainly anti-Israel, and I have become anti-Semitic.") I so far have not gained access to back issues of The Independent going back to 1990 (I think I'm going to try my local library). If anyone can get the exact citation of the article in which Dahl made this statement, I'd appreciate it. marbeh raglaim 15:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Have you tried the British library? It has back issues of pretty much everything published in the UK since 1900 (and before), including newspapers. --User talk:FDuffy 18:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Ha! As if I'm going to travel all the way to England just to verify this tiny fact. I guess anyone who lives near there might try; meanwhile, I'll look for sources closer to home. marbeh raglaim 03:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
You don't mention where in the world you are, but your user page suggests the U.S. If you can identify the date of the story you want, then there is a fair chance that you can get microfiche of it on interlibrary loan. - Jmabel | Talk 05:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi: I posted the following at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy#"Orthodoxy" alone is ambiguous. Thank you. IZAK 03:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 19#Liozna and Larger than Life (books). Thank you. IZAK 06:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this is the wrong place, I can't find a Jewish Wikipedian's notice board - is there one? This phrase was written in the Jewish Chronicle in 1877, it refers to a Jewish heiress marrying a British gentile aristocrat - can anyone explain to me, what they are trying to say - "If the flame seize on the cedars, how will fare hyssop on the wall: if the leviathan is brought up with a hook, how will the minnows escape" - I'm not Jewish and find it completely mystifying, I gather they are not happy but is their an explanation of the text? Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Its for an article I am writing here. Thanks in advance Giano 13:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
“ | אם בארזים נפלה שלהבת מה יעשו אזובי הקיר
אם לויתן בחכה הועלה מה יעשו דגי הרקק אם בנחל שוטף נפלה חרבה מה יעשו מי גבים If the flames seize upon the cedars, what will the hyssops on the wall do? If the leviathan is brought up with a hook, what will the small fish do? If the drout hits the dashing torrent, what will the waters of the purling brook do? |
” |
In an ongoing POV attack, anons [3] [4] attempt to present Messianic Judaism as "the practice of the religion of Judaism". ← Humus sapiens ну? 22:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi: Could you please take a look at the discussion concerning Conceptual backround: Hasidic dynastic disputes in the Barry Gurary article. See Talk:Barry Gurary#Dispute of content. Thanks. IZAK 03:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
In the Division of Jewish Studies on Wikiversity, I'm starting up a Department of Torah Study] to provide for a way for the perpetual discussion of the parshah online. If anyone is able, I'd really appreciate some help getting the project off the ground. I think it could be really successful if we could get a group of people together who are willing to contribute to the discussion even once a month. Kari Hazzard ( T | C) 18:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Just wishing everyone a happy and successful New Year. Shana Tova!
Masterhomer
08:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Kashrut is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 14:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Vote
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Masterhomer
04:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I am moving this section from Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Todo: it is supposed to be a list, not a discussion. No change in content. The note was so huge that it destroys formatting. Thanks. ← Humus sapiens ну? 10:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Biblical Criticism has been formed to "to improve the coverage of material related to Biblical Criticism. I.e. to improve the provision of information deriving from academic rather than just religious sources" (see for example: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biblical Criticism/Torah list).
Input into articles from this "school of thought" has already been offensive to some members of Project:Judaism. Therefore, members of Project:Judaism are requested to be alert to efforts that would radically change the classical teachings of Judaism on related subjects.
I don't disagree with Francis' insistence that articles should at least contain DH views. Yes, it's apokorsus, and I won't be the person writing it. What has annoyed me about Francis' contributions is the creation of a large number of articles with inadequate sourcing. Simply listing some popular books, such as by the infallible R.E. Friedman, is completely inadequate in controversial topics.
I would also insist that the "classical" interpretation is provided by default, with the academic/DH view brought seperately in a section dedicated to it. This will show clearly the differences between long-held popular belief (for which millions died during persecutions) and the concoctions of a group of people bent on distorting the history of Judaism and the Jews. The suggestion that Hosea endorsed spiced skulls is laughable (what would one do with a spiced skull anyway? smoke it?). Have you considered a prophet may be using metaphors to eloquently state his point? JFW | T@lk 12:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Please provide your view at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 10#Category:Saintly person tombs in Israel. Thank you. IZAK 03:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I have written the following to the nominator:
Meshulam: You should avoid this kind of move (the hasty nomination to delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)) because it's a slippery slope and could lead to the nomination for and deletion of similar articles about smaller Hasidic dynasties - by people who are not experts and don't care - with unintended consequences. Votes to delete are open to the world and you are inviting people who have no idea what this topic is about at all to cast a vote, which is very unfair and lacking insight. It seems that you may have been better off trying to add a {{ merge to}} template or considered MERGING the material at some point perhaps and WAITED (at least a month!) to do so. You should also have first started a discussion at a number of places where people who know something about this topic could have given their intelligent input, such as at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism and Wikipedia talk:Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. Or you could have contacted other editors who deal with topics like this to solicit their views. This action of your is extreme and I do not condone it. I urge you to withdraw this nomination. Thank you. (I am cross-posting this message on a couple of relevant places, to get people's attention.) IZAK 10:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute over the future fate and scope of the Bible article. Someone has enlisted the help of WikiProject Christianity on this matter, so (because this dispute has to do with including the Jewish POV) I am returning the favor here. Comments over at Talk:Bible are encouraged. Thank you for your consideration.-- Andrew c 20:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I recently nominated the Bereishit parsha article for FA here. However, it has run into a little difficulty because one of the editors feels that the article is not comprehensive enough, but doesn't know enough about Judaism to tell me what is needed. Could I ask you to check this article and, if it needs more to it, either add it yourself or explain what is needed on the FAC and I'll have a go. If it doesn't require anything, please also explain that on the FAC. Votes of support, of course, are also welcome. :) Thankyou, Dev920 ( check out this proposal) 23:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Jews in apostasy article needs attention. IZAK 10:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Please review the The Seven Worlds article. What is fact and waht is fiction? Anyone know? IZAK 11:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
What do you make of this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Seven Worlds 2? Thanks. IZAK 09:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I created a stub under Holy of Holies to address the location in the Tabernacle, Temple in Jerusalem and Temple Mount. There's a proposal under Talk:Holy of Holies either to merge it into Most Holy Place or to create a new article called something like Kodesh Kadoshim devoted specifically to this purpose. Please share any thoughts you might have on the subject in the discussion taking place at Talk:Holy of Holies. Best, -- Shirahadasha 00:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Holy of Holies, definitely. If there is an English term that umambiguously refers to that subject in question then WP:NC dictates that term is to be used (e.g. Passover). The content presently on Most Holy Place (which is a hodgepodge) can be moved to Shirahadasha's new stub. JFW | T@lk 19:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
User:FDuffy has made extensive edits to the Korban article, including, in typical fashion, citing the Jewish Encyclopedia as a whole without bothering to identify a specific article, and adding a provocative section entitled "Human Sacrifice" claiming a dark origin in human sacrifice based on the views of a single individual (assuming the individual actually said it) characterized as fact and as what "Biblical scholars" as a whole believe. I'm going to wait to comment myself until I've had a chance to review this user's claims, but perhaps others might want to comment now. At the very least, biblical-criticism type claims should go in a separate section. Best, -- Shirahadasha 20:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like to create a project to help improve the series of articles dealing with Conservative Judaism. What do I need to do in order to create a new WikiProject? Is anyone interested? -- yonkeltron 08:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be useful to carefully delineate the scope of such a WikiProject. Of course Conservative viewpoints deserve airtime, but it needs to be quite clear what POV is Conservative and what POV is Orthodox. We have previously had a Conservative-affiliated editor trying to redefine Orthodoxy according to his POV, causing incessant edit wars. JFW | T@lk 12:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd definitely join. Valley2city 06:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Why not have a task force instead?-- Ķĩřβȳ ♥ Ťįɱé Ø 06:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Question here. Tom e r talk 23:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any graphic skills, or for that matter a good graphics program to create a barnstar for contributions to Jewish projects, etc? WP:Islam has their own barnstar and I think we should have our own as well. I was thinking something looking similar to the original barnstar but with six arms instead of five (like the Magen David). Anyone willing to do this? Does something like this already exist? Let's recognize some contributions with some wikiBling... Valley2city 06:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all: Care to take a look at this Aaron, Son of the Devil article and see what you make of it. Does it have validity and is it being twisted in some (anti-Semitic) ways? Thanks. IZAK 04:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
The issues are expressed in these diffs:
Basically, my contention is that since the template is a portal to Jews AND Judaism (not just Judaism) it belongs in all articles on Jews as well. They disagree for a reason that I cannot fathom (particularly, I invite you to note the last entry in User:BhaiSaab's block log).
Involved users are me User:Hkelkar, nd, on the other side, User:Zora and User:BhaiSaab
Thanks for your attention. Shalom. Hkelkar 21:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have created this article, as well as the cat Category:Indian Rabbis. Please peruse, expand and make corrections as needed. Hkelkar 22:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there any objection to merging Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Manual Of Style into a proposed guideline for Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Judaism)? — Viriditas | Talk 00:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The Jewish Encyclopedia article on Cherubim says that the Chayot that Ezekiel saw were Cherubim, referencing a mention in the Talmud. The Cherubim article reflects this. I had always thought that the Chayot were their own kind of angel, something quite distinct from Cherubim. They get their own mention in prayers (for example, in kal adon in shacharit on shabbat). But I'm not an angel expert. Would somebody know offhand what the traditional view on this is? Is there a dispute about it? It seems to me either they shouldn't be described as cherubim in the cherubim article, or they shouldn't have their own article, or we should identify and source both sides of a difference of opinion. -- Shirahadasha 21:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
HI,
I have no in-depth knowledge of Judaism whatsoever. I came across this page: Qemant. It may or may not belong in your WikiProject. Just letting you know.
-- Ling.Nut 16:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The article Holy of Holies has been replaced by a redirect to Most Holy Place, which is a general cross-cultural article about special places in various religious and cultural traditions. I created a stub for Kadosh Kadoshim to be able to describe features unique to the Tabernacle, Temple in Jerusalem, and current Temple Mount. I created the Kadosh Kadoshim article because the situation seemed a little like wanting an article on Nasi, and having to use either an obscure Hebrew term or an English term like Manager that has numerous other uses that drown out the intended one. I'd be open to a better term that's short, not a neologism, well-known in the English world, and unique to Judaism and the Tabernacle and Temples. Also, I'd welcome contributions on the article. Will attempt a more in-depth article soon. -- Shirahadasha 06:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: See vote at: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 12#Category:Orthodox Jewish communities. Thanks. IZAK 11:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
There is currently some discussion on the Haredim and Zionism article that might benefit from some more intelligent comments.-- Meshulam 22:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Shirahadasha has created an new article called " Open Orthodoxy" - about a new notion (that is "neither fish nor fowl") recently coined by Rabbi Avi Weiss. After having been asked about it, I attempted to redirect Open Orthodoxy to the Avi Weiss article and post all its content there because on it's own it's a neologism in violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms, but Shirahadasha has reverted my redirect. What do you think should be done, please add your views at Talk:Open Orthodoxy. IZAK 09:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I have just contacted new User:Chavatshimshon who has made some big moves in long-standing articles about Jewish topics. Please read what I wrote to him and add your expertise and intervention. Thank you. IZAK 08:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I came across over 700 links to this organization, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The site has a ton of ads but on the other hand, it has content (and a Wikipedia article).
Normally, such an ad-intensive site with so many links gets attention at WikiProject Spam for further investigation. Even if it's not spam, many links may often get deleted as not meeting the external links guideline. I've left a note at WikiProject Spam asking others to look at some of these and see what they think.
Even some non-profit organizations will add dozens of links to Wikipedia since links in Wikipedia are heavily weighted in Google's page ranking systems. (If interested, see the article on Spamdexing for more on this).
You can see all the links by going to this this "Search web links" page. I encourage you to look at Wikipedia's external links guideline then look at the links in the articles you normally watch. Also, if you don't mind, please also weigh in at WikiProject Spam with your opinions. If you see links to pages that you don't think add additional value beyond the content already in an article, feel free to delete them, but please don't go mindlessly deleting dozens of links. (Per WP:EL, links that don't add additional value should be deleted but that doesn't necessarily mean they're "spam").
Thanks for your help and for providing some second opinions. -- A. B. 16:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I stumbled upon contributions of user:Budo (who earlier attracted my attention in other topics with his original interpretations), and I see quite a few artcles sitting here underlinked/undercathegorized (hence lacking rigorous attention) relater to the root "Nazar-". These must be reviewed and order made with them. Now it is total confusion.
Please review: Nazoraioi -- Nazarene (sect) -- Nazarene (disambiguation) -- Nasoraean -- Nazoraean -- Nazuraioi redir to ( Tzadikim Nistarim) -- Nazarenos (redir to Jesus) -- ( Nasri redir to Monophysitism. why?) etc. `' mikkanarxi 05:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thank you. IZAK 10:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The Messianic Judaism editors have been busy lately, you may want to know the following. Thanks. IZAK 19:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any comment regarding this? Tom e r talk 02:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know what kind of "rabbi" and Torah scholar Adolf Jellinek was (Orthodox, Reform, none-of-the-above, all-of-the above?) The question is important because he had a son Georg Jellinek who supposedly became a Christian, and the article about him says that "Jellinek, the son of Adolf Jellinek, a rabbinical scholar, converted to Christianity." Making it sound that the alleged conversion of George Jellinek is somehow "enhanced" (like a "hidur mitzva - lehavdil) by the fact that he had a "rabbinical father." Anyhow, the portrait of Adolf doesn't look like it would make it into an ArtScroll anything right now :-} In addition, in the List of converts to Christianity from Judaism Georg Jellinek is listed and his picture features very prominently. If anyone has any more information on this, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks. IZAK 14:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I am having a difference of opinion with User:Inigmatus who insists that Category:WikiProject Messianic Judaism be a sub-category of Category:WikiProject Judaism. I have tried to edit the page [11], and have even tried a compromise of having it be part of Category:Christian and Jewish interfaith topics instead which would be perfect for it, but each time he reverts me, claiming "We make that call, not you. We're not part of "normative" Christianity either." [12] and this:" "We" is Messianics. either both Judaism and Christain categories, or none go here. We make the call, because Messianics know best what is Messianic." [13], and he adds on Category talk:WikiProject Messianic Judaism#Main categories: "Either Christian and Judaism categories go here, or they both don't. Not one or the other. Messianics do not ascribe to Chrisitanity, and Judaism is an unrelated category. I didn't put either category in, so I request both be removed, but if one is to be listed, then I request both Christianity and Judaism be listed. "We" Messianics have the right to inform the readers who "we" are affiliated with. inigmatus 04:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)" What do you think should be done? Thanks. IZAK 14:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
On 25 October 2006 [14], User:Inigmatus moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha with the lame excuse "moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha: As discussed in prior archives, with the creation of the new Messianic Judaism template, this page can now be targeted for clean up: This entire page is better split into two articles" [15] thus opening up a whole new can of worms. This fits into this new pattern of vigorous pro-Messianic Judaism POV edits, moves, categories, projects and articles, basically without warning and ignoring the consensus that has been maintained for some time. The main problem is that the over-all thrust of the recent pro-Messianic Judaism activity is to mimic and and get as close as possible to any and all Judaism, particularly Orthodox Judaism, articles and efforts, so that anyone looking at the one will arrive at the other by sheer proximity and similarity. And I repeat this again, because of its relevance: * User:Inigmatus ( contributions), self-described as "A mystery user with a point to be made" (wouldn't that make anything he does as automatically POV?), has added a number of features to Messianic Judaism. A month ago he evidently plagiarized [16] the Template:Judaism and created Template Messianic Judaism based on it. He also created Wikipedia:WikiProject Messianic Judaism also obviously plagiarizing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism page. This may mislead unsuspecting readers and there ought to be some warning or guidance about this. I would suggest that a new template be develpoed that would be placed on Messianic Judaism pages with a "Note: This article deals with Messianic Judaism. It does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations." IZAK 03:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: In view of the above, please see the new {{ NotJudaism}} template:
Feel free to use it where applicable. Thanks. IZAK 05:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
There were a bunch of recent additions to Solomon's Temple. I did my best to copy edit this poorly written material, but I suspect that it was also poorly sourced and mostly either inaccurate, conjectural, or (insofar as it was accurate) redundant to material already there. Way outside of my expertise, though. Could someone have a look? - Jmabel | Talk 05:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Added by a new editor. The entry looks plausible but I am unable to find any sources in English google. I was hoping that people who knew more might be able to find sources and determine if this group is real and notable. JoshuaZ 05:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
As this is, according to the article, a very, very new group, that has functioned largely underground until now, it's not surprising that there is a paucity of sources. Does anyone speak Latvian or Russian, wwho could find some references in appropriate sources from the affected country, perhaps? HarvardOxon 05:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Question here. Tom e r talk 05:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I've written more than two dozen entries on Yiddish prose-writers and poets in the Russian-language wiki (some widely known religious figures as well). It is quite problematic an undertaking there, because these entries are regularly suggested for deletion on grounds of "having too many Jews there already" (verbatim) and the like (in the Russian wiki this sort of language is permitted). Thus far only one is about to be actually removed (on poet Srul Bronshtein). However, now that I just started to translate the entries into the English and Yiddish wikipedias (see my first addition on Srul Bronshtein), the very same people immediately post these for deletion. This seems to be a sort of stalking, but since my experience with this is limited, I don't really know what to do. Any help? -- SimulacrumDP 19:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I was hoping we could collaborate on cleaning splitting and writing up more articles related to 7mBn. I've tagged Noahide laws for a cleanup. I'm not rushing in, I've read them all up, I'm waiting for the readiness of a few others so we can take this on together, and have it featured on the main page sometime. Its possible, there are quite a few of us and will potentialy be a subject of interest. Again, I'm one for words and think the parent article should be Seven Laws of Noach, as in 'Sheva Mitzvas Bnei Noach'. Anything that is should be another 'ism'. Chavatshimshon 01:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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I am from the goyim side researching a Christian project which has a recurring Jewish theme rooted partly in the Narbonne and Leon schools of the 13th Century through an alchemical line via the Paris 1290 and Brussels 1370 pogroms into modern facts. If these ring a bell with anyone, please contact me directly at jelmain@skynet.be - I would prefer to have my suggestions peer-reviewed first. Jel 16:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
See [18]. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Base: UK.
Thank you. Nancy D.
Hello there.
I would like to ask if you don´t agree that the anonimous user 203.129.61.83 should be suspended or banned. I never did this before, but he already proved to be self-obsessed with his anti-catholic beliefs, and he´s editings aren´t definetely according with Wikipedia policies. Maybe you could ask for him to be suspended, since I never did this before and if I´m suggesting this, it´s because he gave me no other choice. Cheers! Mistico ( talk) 03:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you please help in the Talk Page:Thomas More debate? There are two users who insist in keeping a gross violation of Wikipedia policies concerning vandalism. Thanks. 81.193.220.52 ( talk) 20:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC) has called the Jewish encyclopedia a "hate source". Baka man 06:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I came across the guf which is apparently where souls are kept before birth. The two links provided (to jewishencyclopedia.com) only mention "guf" in passing, apparently as the transliteration from Hebrew of a word translated as "cage" or similar. Knowing positively jack squat about Judaism, I've come to ask someone here: is "the guf" a legitimate concept? The article also calls it the "Chamber of Guf" and notes several alternate spellings. Is "the guf" (or actually it should be just guf) the appropriate place for it? – Anþony talk 13:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal, and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. Badbilltucker 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
An anon has taken out a section there claiming as matters a conversation at Modern Orthodoxy- I don't fully understand what the critique of the section is. If someone who knows more about the relevant details could take a look it would be appreciated. JoshuaZ 05:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
it seems to me that this article should be at Shemoneh Esrei or even Eighteen Benedictions rather than at amidah, since the former is the prayer's proper name, `amidha being instead a "nickname" of sorts, analogous to the situation with `arvith, as opposed to ma`ariv. Thoughts? Tom e r talk 23:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone like to start an article about the Korban Pesach? Since right now all there is, is that Paschal Lamb disambig page that splits off to Jesus... It would be a nice start for Pesach too and help the Passover-related articles. Thanks. IZAK 09:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I strongly suspect that the Solomon's Temple article has been kidnapped by a fanatic crackpot. Sample: "the Temple could in no way have stood on the rock culminating the ancient Jewish citadel… For all the details, mathematical data and references, concerning this masterstroke-historical manipulation in Jerusalem (which, according to Natan, succeeded brilliantly until this day), and concerning (also according to Natan) the blind persistency of magisterial and complacent errors in history and archaeology, see the book online: The Temple of Solomon could not stand on its Water Tower at www.jerusalem-4thtemple.org." It is permeated through with this sort of stuff. I don't know the topic well enough to do much about this (I was just in there trying to copyedit when I noticed that there were problems well beyond those I can deal with as a proofreader). I suspect it may need eit her to be selectively removed, to be peeled way back to some much earlier version, or even to be restarted from scratch by someone knowledgable. - Jmabel | Talk 20:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Shirahadasha 21:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
There are still enormous problems there: much material cited from dubious sources. And, Shirahadasha. despite your undoubtedly good intentions, you mostly reverted my copy edits and the identification of a 19th century archaeologist. - Jmabel | Talk 07:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe I've now torn out the inappropriate material from Solomon's Temple. Twice, because User:Nnatan promptly reinserted it. (Apparently, he is citing his own original self-published research, and repeatedly telling people to see his own website for details.)
Similar issues at Temple in Jerusalem, by the way. Same user. I leave it to someone else to clean that one up. - Jmabel | Talk 22:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The "Jewish-American businesspeople" category was removed as were other ethnic groupings for business people. Comments are welcome at the discussion page for undeletion. I am trying to have the category recreated. Please read the comments there, and leave your thoughts. There are 15 subcategories for Category:Jewish Americans but this one was deleted by a group of people opposed to Jewish identity in articles. Only three votes were cast and then the category was deleted, leaving the biographies without a heritage category. Even if you believe there shouldn't be heritage categories please read the discussion and leave an opinion. Please go to: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_14#Category:Jewish-American_businesspeople_changed_to_Category:American_businesspeople -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Ling.Nut 07:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
What does one make of the new Category:Palestinian rabbis and Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense, I'll try to remember. However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine. Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism. Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy? What is this period? From Roman conquest until 1948? Thanks. Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion FYI: Hi Tomer! A Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion has asserted itself in the Korban article. The project indicates that it is an umbrella project for all of religion and that the current religion projects are subprojects of it, yet its member directory lists only six members. Where is the project coming from? Is it a broadbased project, a very small group with a very big reach, or what? If you know some background or some of its people, would be much appreciated. Best, -- Shirahadasha 03:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Judaism. Thanks, IZAK 10:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
NOTICE and OBJECTIONS:
Thank you for taking this matter seriously. IZAK 09:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the WikiProject I am most familiar with— Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups—has two projects listed as subprojects, both of which postdate it. Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America is quite active and has numerous participants and we've generally just gotten out of their way on anything they want to take over as within their scope; so far, there are no signs of them abusing that by staking out topics not obviously in their scope. And they seem to have adopted most of our best ideas, while we've picked up a few from them. Wikipedia:WikiProject Pashtun is smaller (only four participants), has so far bannered only 12 talk pages, doesn't seem very active, and until it shows more signs of life I wouldn't hesitate to "double up" on bannering talk pages.
Given that the Judaism WikiProject is quite active, I don't see the point of adding a Religion WikiProject banner to talk pages that have already been bannered by the Judaism WikiProject, unless the topic in question has significant ramifications outside of Judaism (e.g. the books of the Hebrew Bible are all equally important in Christianity). - Jmabel | Talk 17:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think your formulation is very different from mine. Material should be presented in an objecive but sympathetic manner, using the vocabulary appropriate to the topic. It does not necessarily mean "balance" within an article--it is not necessary to repeat in every article that Jews and Christians see things differently. There will however, be some topics in common where it makes sense to present the various perspectives together for a more lucid presentation. And if there is dispute, it is fair to alert the reader.
I would not hesitate in the least to edit a topic I think altoether wrongheaded. if I think I can do so fairly. I have added positive sources to articles about people whom I deplore to keep them from deletion. I think it extrmely wrong to have the view that only Jews, or only believing Jews, should edit here. I am aware that in some views Halacha accepts only arguments from believers. I would never dream of contributing to such a forum--not only would I not know enough, they'd through me out. It is such views which close individuals to "stuff that does not fit into their worldview." DGG 19:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC) Where we may differ is that I find I can best present the views I do not hold: I can better summarize creationism than Darwinism, because for Darwinism I am too much caught up in the details to have a good perspective. Obviously, doing this right implies that I have actually seen and considered what they have to say. DGG
((heading added--DGG) I must seriously question User:Badbilltucker's assertion above that:
Come again? "Atheism is a form of religion"??? What religion? Atheism comes from the Greek words a theos - "there is no God" so how can not believing in God be termed a "religion" unless one has totally lost touch with what the classical definition of "religion" means = (most basically) "belief in [a] God." Otherwise we can say that anytime anyone holds by any views (even antithetical to religion) they are "religious." If one is a fan of a movie star or celebrity or whatever tickles one's fancy, does that make one into a follower of a "religion"? Like the proverbial "Church of baseball" merely because most of America worships at its TV-altar as its national sport and people love to "worship" it tirelessly? One cannot allow confusion about the basics of religion to become the false foundation-stone of Wikipedia articles or projects. Sure we must, and we do all strive, for perfection as editors and writers, but we are not brainless blobs without ideals or religious principles, we must be steeped in knowledge and life's experience. IZAK 18:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, atheism means "godlessness" [a theos means "without god", not "there is no god"] and is never a religion, any more than "theism", "pantheism", "panentheism", or "deism", it is only ever a viewpoint. In the West, many atheists find religious expression in Secular Humanism and other forms of secular and, in many cases, antitheistic "religions", but that doesn't make atheism itself a religion. In light of that, adding Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism to Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion was probably not a very well-considered move, especially for someone who claims to have studied the history of religion, the apparent appeal to self as authority in that assertion notwithstanding. WikiProject Religion looks to be an all-around poorly conceived project, and not very diplomatically executed. IMHO, it should really be merged with Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy as a sub-project, but definitely should not attempt to characterize itself as the "parent" of the various religion wikiprojects. חג אורים שמח לכולם, and a very merry christmas to everyone else. ;-) Tom e r talk 00:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to add to Special Sabbaths. Thanks. IZAK 03:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Milkhemet Mitzvah needs some attention, someone came at from a funny angle initially. See what you can add. Thanks. IZAK 18:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
... is currently located at " Rebekah". My feeling is that the article should be located at the most common English spelling should be used, which is "Rebecca" (or maybe "Rebeccah"). See Talk: Rebekah. — Batamtig 00:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, I just wanted to let you guys know of the WikiProject Messianic Judaism, which was recently started. I want to raise the issue of their Template:Messianic Judaism, which has many of the same articles as Template:Judaism does. Please see the ongoing discussion at Template_talk:Messianic Judaism regarding the contents of that template. Thanks. -- Ķĩřβȳ ♥ Ťįɱé Ø 03:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I translated the Russian wiki page, and would appreciate some editing. Please see the talk page for details. Madler 04:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
How notable is this person Mala Zimetbaum, and does she deserve an article of her own? There were millions of Holocaust so should they all get their own articles now? Doesn't that trivialize the event? Seems that if someone gets to write a book or gets mentioned somewhere, they then "automatically" become notable. What do you think? IZAK 16:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Question: What should be the name for the Shalosh Regalim: the Three pilgrim festivals or the Three pilgrimage festivals? Please see the discussion at Talk:Three pilgrimage festivals#Name. Thanks you. IZAK 16:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Template:Messianic Judaism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. IZAK 19:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I think we should start to add ratings to the WP:Judaism template (ie: stub-class, start-class, b-class, etc...) as well as having an assessment system. I don't know how to go about with this technical stuff at this time but is anyone else knowledgeable on how to do this? See Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey ( WP:NJ) for an example of what I see it looking like. Valley2city 20:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, IZAK and I are having one of our occassional disagreements where outside comment might be helpful, this time about the Kavod HaBriyot article. I recently started the article because the concept has gotten increased notability as a result of its use in a Conservative opinion on homosexuality. It was previously used by Daniel Sperber as a basis for an opinion on women's aliyot. Before then Orthodox rabbis used it for much more mundane topics like whether a deaf person can use a hearing aid on Shabbat. These rulings are based on a particular Bareitah and related discussion in Berachot 19b beginning with "Great is kevod habriyot, which can override a negative prohibition of the Torah." IZAK has rewritten the article (a) to claim that the concept as we know it today is really based on statements in Pirkei Avot and elsewhere, and (b) to present as fact his view that the Rabbis of the Gemorrah eventually rejected the Baraitah in toto, so that it has no legitimate application in Halachah, period. Whatever one makes of this, I presented sources that contemporary rabbis (on the mundane as well as the controversial topics) looked to Berachot 19b as their source, saw it as still having some life (although addressing at most Rabbinic rather than Torah prohibitions), and used it in contemporary opinions. Although I respect both his passionate attachment and his scholarship, IZAK's essay seems to me to be essentially Original research. What do others make of this? IZAK has put a lot of work into this, and I'd appreciate other's opinions before any more attempts to revert each other are made. Obviously this is a controversial topic with multiple views, and I myself find some interpretations more dubious than others. Please comment on Talk:Kavod HaBriyot#Requesting Comments. Thanks. Hope you had a tzom kal and have a Happy New Year, -- Shirahadasha 00:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Have you ever had a close look at this strange article: Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jewish people? It's full of red links for the supposed Jews he had contact with (do they deserve articles just because they were Hitler's alleged dentist/shoe-shine-boy/chimney-sweep/whatnots etc?) It's weirdly prurient. The heading stinks. Do all the Jews killed in the Holocaust get to be in it? How about all the theories about Hitler having a Jewish ancestor, does that also count as him having "contact" with Jewish people? I doubt that the originators of this article and those who worked on it have rational objectives. It should be merged with something else involving Adolf Hitler or even deleted for its stupidity. (If not, how about Adolf Hitler's contacts with gypsies, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Italian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Russian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with retarded people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with murderers this can go on forever, and then we can even create Category:Adolf Hitler's contacts with people. IZAK 02:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Ever heard of this? See List of Muslim converts#Religious figures: " Maimonides - Jewish philosopher, theologian, and physician forced to convert to Islam under pain of death during the Cordoba massacre of 1148. Reverted to Judaism when his life was no longer under threat.<ref>Lewis (1984), p. 100</ref>" I don't see which book by "Lewis" is even cited here, and does "Lewis" even say that? (I assume this refers to the Arabist Bernard Lewis.) I had once heard that the Rambam did issue a heter for this kind of procedure (it must be written somewhere) but I had never heard that it had also happened to himself personally. I read an article in the English Yated a couple of years ago that the Mashhadi Jews in Iran relied on such a ruling from the Rambam, and that it was controversial, yet acceptable according to Halachah. Can you help with verifying this, especially if it happened to the Rambam? Thanks. IZAK 18:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Reciting the Shahadah three times only means that a person wishes to be recognized as a Muslim. Whether or not they are actually Muslim is a matter left to God (and occasionally Islamic scholars) -- Ķĩřβȳ ♥ Ťįɱé Ø 18:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The group indicated above was recently revitalized for, among other things, the purpose of working on those articles whose content is such that the article does not fall within the scope of any particular denomination. To most effectively do this, however, we would benefit greatly if there were at least one member from this Project working on those articles. On that basis, I would encourage and welcome any member of this Project willing to work on those articles to join the Religion WikiProject. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure what is like in other articles but the Jewish article seem to get cluttered up pretty fast with links to shurim of everyone favorite rabbi. Perhaps it would be best if we add a comment at the top of the external link section giving a short explanation of what types of links are appropriate. A "external link cleanup campaign" might also be a good idea. And it could be helpful if we formate more specific rules for external links in halakhic article than what is currently explain in Wikipedia:External links. It seems to me that there is also a problem when there are many links to different, yet comparable, shurim on a topic. There is no need to include all, but it is hard to justify how to pick just one. Jon513 15:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Anon editor 24.110.12.50 has made some pretty substantial edits to Judaism's view of Jesus, Jewish Messiah, and Messianic Prophecy that should be examined. He's obviously well-intentioned, but his grasp of the language is a bit lacking and he's been somewhat over-eager to add links to numerous anti-missionary sites to every page which aren't really necessary for the subjects in question. Some of his other additions may be worthwhile, which is why I haven't made the changes myself - it will require a bit of effort to determine what parts should be kept and adjust the wording, and I'm going to bed momentarily after a long, torturous day of flat hunting. ;)
While you're at Judaism's view of Jesus be sure to check out the one-man crusade being waged by editor Just nigel to introduce first a section on MJ, and now a POV tag because the page is "biased against their religious minority". Dbratton 22:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at these templates:
with the
displayed prominently. Honestly, of all of Hinduism's symbols' did this one have to get "headline" billing on these templates? Alternatives are aplenty if one were to look around on articles listed on {{
Hindu Deities and Texts}} where there are dozens of less offensive symbols that could be chosen for the same purpose. While the
swastika may be ok with some Hindus, it should not be flashed around "in all innocence" because for the rest of the world that was caught up in
World War II it was the symbol of literal EVIL, DEATH and DESTRUCTION emanating from the
Nazis. It was
Hitler's personal diabolical "symbol of choice" and for that reason it is VERY far from neutral, no matter in what context it is used. It violates
Wikipedia:Civility to have it displayed in such an "in your face" fashion on these Hindu templates, giving it a dubious "place of pride" it does not deserve. Need one say more?
IZAK
22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a centralized discussion on this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism. -- tjstrf talk 01:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
NOTE: Talk about this is now centralized at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism#Use of Swastika. Thanks. IZAK 02:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed two separate moves:
1. Aharon Leib Shteinman --> Aharon Leib Steinman
2. Joseph Soloveitchik --> Joseph B. Soloveitchik
Please see Talk:Aharon Leib Shteinman and Talk:Joseph Soloveitchik to discuss and comment. Thanks, DLand TALK 04:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Great Synagogue of London has been tagged as requiring expert attention. Any such assistance in improving this article would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Badbilltucker 02:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Jon513 and I have had our hands full dealing with some original research-related edit warring from a new editor at Negiah. If anyone can help us build consensus there, it would be appreciated. -- DLand TALK 04:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with DLand on at least this point! As one of the two 'new editors' in question (new in that I've never made a login before), I think building consensus about how to correctly cite sources is really important to ensuring the quality of this article. I actually think the debate we were having on Negiah is pretty useful vis-a-vis how sources are cited in general in halachic articles on Wiki. (Namely, is it OK to cite, without comment, an ancient or medieval textual source for a contemporary practice, when the textual source itself appears to describe a different practice. Conversely, is it original research to instead translate or paraphrase the cited textual source in the body of a Wiki article?) The related issue of conflating rabbinic historiography with academic Jewish history/history of halacha is also of great importance. YM0107 18:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi all. A person pointed out to me that some of the individual pages for various rabbinical works (i.e., Avot de-Rabbi Nathan) are difficult to dive into without some background. What I thought might help matters would be some sort of template for "rabbinical literature" that would essentially parallel the structure of the Rabbinical literature page, and could be placed on the individual pages for the various Midrashic works and such (any page describing a post-biblical and pre-medieval work). This would make it immediately obvious what "category" such pages belong to, and where the interested reader should go for a "gentle introduction". (Of course the Rabbinical literature page should then provide such a "gentle introduction", which I'm not sure it currently does.) Is this template a good idea, and, if so, should I just go ahead and try to make a template (I've never done one before), or is there some procedure? Or is it a bad idea? Thanks much. — Dfass 00:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Please read Banu Qurayza and then compare it to Banu Nadir, Banu Qaynuqa, and Muhammad and the Jews. The first one is well written, while the last three proclaim, in not so many words, that Muhammad was great and those Jews had it coming. Please try to make all the articles like the Banu Qurayza article! Muhammad's treatment of the Jews is held up to be the model to emulate in many parts of the Middle East. It's vital that the wikipedia articles on these topics be accurate and neutral. Arrow740 02:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
If someone wants to put it on the front page of this wikiproject that'd be great. Arrow740 02:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, could somebody please place one of those Hebrew-character parenthetical names for this guy? I mean, the one with standard Hebrew and Tiberian Hebrew and the like. I wasn't sure which part of To-Do I should put this, so I figured I may as well put it here. The Behnam 07:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Godhead (Judaism) is a new contribution that requires further input. Thanks. IZAK 08:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SFD#.7B.7BHeBible-stub.7D.7D_.E2.86.92_.7B.7BTanakh-stub.7D.7D - crz crztalk 19:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Greetings! I come under the auspices of WikiProject Abandoned Articles, aiming to bring abandoned articles back to life. One such article is Molten Sea, and I was wondering if there was anybody with enough knowledge to expand the article and make it more detailed and comprehensive. -- Lord Pheasant 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor, User:Pan Dan, has tagged United Synagogue Day School, a Conservative Jewish Day school in Toronto, as not being notable. I am having trouble proving its notability. Any help to keep it would be appreciated. -- YUL89YYZ 23:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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בס"ד | This user built their user page with the help of HaShem.. |
Anyone is free to use my new BS'D userbox. -- יהושועEric 01:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
39 categories of activity prohibited on Shabbat was recently expanded( [20]) The source of "Ribiat, Rabbi Dovid. The 39 Melachos. 12th ed. Vol. 3. Jerusalem / New York: Feldheim, 2003. Pages 783-803." is given. Can someone with the book handly see if it is a copyvio? (I suspect it is) Otherwise it needs to wikified. Jon513 17:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't do any vandalism, I think some mistook it for vandalism though, all I did was put down a picture of an actual Sephardic Jew. I got it off of [http: http://racialreality.shorturl.com/]. There was no harm intended. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arnie Gov ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
A new draft of a proposed policy on criticism is being circulated. Since Judaism articles tend to have lots of controversy, suggest editors might want to review and comment on the proposal. Best, -- Shirahadasha 18:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
In Jews and Judaism in Kazakhstan, it says, and I quote:
Can anyone find a source for this ... one which says what exactly is meant by "Jewish missionaries"? Tom e r talk 04:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Vat is this? Some type of joke? 203.217.94.62 09:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shammaite. -- Shirahadasha 18:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Given the recent re-deletion of Category:Jewish-American businesspeople in an attempt to circumvent the overwhelming consensus of the DRV in question, I think we might want to start an opt-in list for canvassing articles related to the project. Kari Hazzard ( T | C) 16:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
In Operation Wilno article there is a dispute whether Wilno in 1920 was inhabited by Polish Jews or Lithuanian Jews. See also Talk:Operation Wilno#The Jewish Issue. Comments appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Could some one with some background peek at
Talk:List of people by name: Aa#ben Joseph & ben Elijah? (And respond to this note with at least "Done", when their peek satisfies them it's been brought under control.)
--
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17:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
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I think that Jewish dates (23 Kislev, etc.) should have pages just like April 23. I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Jewish dates; please continue discussion there.— msh210℠ 00:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone is interested, Night (book), Elie Wiesel's story, is up for featured article status. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Could I ask that at least one religious/observant Jew take a look at my comments at Talk:Hasidic Judaism#Very POV link? The link strikes me as unrepresentative of Hasidism, but perhaps it is all too representative and should stay. In any case, if it stays it should be better captioned. I don't feel qualified to make the judgment on this one. - Jmabel | Talk 02:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, we're getting an influx of what appears to be Messianic Jewish POVs in The Third Temple and Shekhina articles giving what are claimed to be mainstream Christian POVs that -- I don't know for sure -- I suspect aren't very mainstream. Seeems like a repeat of a discussion we had a while back about Passover in which a Jesus-as-Passover-Offering POV was presented (except here we gave Jesus-as-Temple and Holy-Spirit-as-Shekhinah). Can someone with more knowledge of Christianity than myself check these claims out and see if we're getting a representive or a tiny-minority POV here? Also, the relevance of some of the material seems shaky -- there's a discussion going on in the articles' talk pages. Perhaps this could be checked out as well. -- Shirahadasha 03:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone seen the award proposal page? Is there any interest in proposing an award for this wikiproject?
This is a simple sample of what one could look like. If you think it's appropriate, please place a proposal on the page. evrik 18:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
here's my creation. simple and doesn't ruin the somewhat standardized aesthetic of wikipedia. -- User:Yung Wei 綪永徽 01:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I love the third version! Elizmr 18:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's an alternate version I just made:
Unfortunately, my Photoshop abilities don't measure up to those of whomever created the original barnstar... -- Eliyak T· C 10:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a vocabulary question at Talk:Aliyah#before and after the reading - Jmabel | Talk 19:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team for Wikipedia 1.0 would like you to identify the " key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the Judaism WikiProject article table any articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one (new) for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist like this one automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! Walkerma 04:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Since Wikiversity recently launched, I think there should be a presense of WikiProject Judaism in it. If anyone wants to teach any subject releated on Judaism or wants to help the project in anyway, please let me know.
Masterhomer
06:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
CALL TO ARMS: CREATE THE FIRST OPEN JEWISH STUDIES COLLEGE IN THE WORLD
Wikiversity: School of Jewish Studies
I understand there is an official policy for how Hebrew terms should be transliterated, Wikipedia: Naming conventions (Hebrew), which requires modern Sephardic Hebrew as well as apostrophes in certain places. A number of articles -- Chanuyos comes to mind -- are titled in Ashkenazic Hebrew and would need to be renamed, and vast numbers of articles have various words in variant transliterations. There had been a previous discussion about carving out an exception, e.g. for Ashkenazic individual and place names, but this exception doesn't seem to have made its way into the policy. -- Shirahadasha 16:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, we're having an interest mix of academics (including folks arguing for Tiberian Hebrew since, being the ancestor of all modern dialects, it's considered philologically representative of them all) and Haredi folks (including folks arguing for Ashkenazic Hebrew on grounds that any other use could lead to apostacy etc.) Perhaps some input from "regular" Hebrew users whose native language is English, and who could represent the interests of the average Jewish-interest Wikipedian, might be helpful. -- Shirahadasha 19:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the Rashi page to a prior edit because of the worst kind of vandalism. <samples removed. ← Humus sapiens ну? 00:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)> ( !Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 20:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC))
Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.-- JuanMuslim 1m 17:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Some editors dispute this. Please take a look and express yourself. ← Humus sapiens ну? 23:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
This edit claims to correct Exilarch. Since it is an anonymous uncited edit claiming to correct a statement from the Jewish Encyclopedia, I'm pretty skeptical. The issue is whether Jehoiachin (JE) or Zedekiah (anon., uncited) is the last king descended from David. Does anyone know if there is any reason at all to doubt the JE here? If so, please cite; if you are sure there is not, please revert. Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 04:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Transcribed and answered on article's talk section under heading "Which king was it?" -- Shirahadasha 05:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC).
I have created a new template {{ Hebrew script}}, to tag any articles about a place, name, or concept originally written in the Hebrew alphabet, but which does not include that version in the article. It adds these articles automatically to Category:Articles needing Hebrew script, where people knowledgeable in Hebrew can sort them out. The idea was based on {{ Arabic}}. Rigadoun (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the member list off WP:Judaism was not in alphabetical order (though it is supposed to be) and therefore I have taken the initiative to alphabetize it. Valley2city 21:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone explain what happened to the template section? I am confused and baffled.
Masterhomer
22:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I've requested an Editor review. If you have time, I'd very much appreciate your thoughts. Best, -- Shirahadasha 06:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Please add your learned comments whether Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai should be part of the Oral Torah article or not. See the discussions at Talk:Oral Torah#Defining Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai. Thank you. IZAK 08:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
NEW: On Wikiversity there is now a " Jewish Studies School." Will it become a "duplication" of many things on Wikipedia? What should it's goals and functions be? Please add your learned views. Thank you. IZAK 09:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Rescued from prod. Please improve. - CrazyRussian talk/ email 04:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
For anyone with an interest in all the articles about the Hebrew Bible; Tanakh, Torah and related subjects, User:FDuffy, who is very serious and devoted to the Biblical criticism POV (by his own admission he is a "third year theology student"), has recently resumed serious editing of Hebrew Bible articles and subjects. Please see the extensive edits via FDuffy's contibutions Your involvement, responses and edits would be important at this juncture, especially if you are capable of adding material from classical Judaic sources since most of these articles are lacking the teachings of Judaism, their obvious true source. Thank you. IZAK 11:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
User:FDuffy appears to have identified a single source for his claims that e.g. "most" scholars believe that Samuel in the story of Hannah really refers to Saul. (The source is identified in the King Saul article, although the claim has been added to a number of other articles without copying the source citation). The source indicated is the personal web site of one Rabbi Moshe Reiss, [1], a self-published source. Per WP:RS,
None of the exceptions to self-published sources (e.g. by someone known to be highly regarded in a field) appear to apply here. Accordingly, it appears that all this content is unsourced and should be deleted. I believe this is particularly so since the content makes claims such as "most textual scholars" hold, claims that are clearly so untenable in light of the sources provided as to cast even more doubt on this content. -- Shirahadasha 18:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The Jewish Encyclopedia says, among other things (note that some of the hyperlinked words are missing from my cut + paste here for some reason):
The New American Bible, in a footnote for 1 Samuel 1:20 says:
It seems to me that far from being interested in checking sources, that Shirahadasha, Jfdwolff, and IZAK are far more interested in removing any material that contradicts their literalist/semi-literalist stances on the accuracy of the Bible. Im not sure where the passage that Shirahadasha has quoted derives from, but selectively reading sources, and missing out the main arguments is really not appropriate. And claiming that my source is the website of some Rabbi is completely disingenuous - I had never heard of the Rabbi or website in question until Shirahadasha mentioned it, and I certainly do not see, having read the website, how it could even be considered to be my source. --User talk:FDuffy 14:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I should add that now I will be a 4th year (or rather an MA) theology student. And by the way, being a theology student does not intrinsically make you have a POV; and to suggest otherwise is simply Anti-Intellectualism. Also note that Biblical criticism, for those that don't know, is simply the rigourous treatment of the Bible as a historical text (the word criticism here being a reference to historical criticism (a method of study employed by nearly all historians of literature), rather than meaning anti); it is not a POV - to claim that Biblical criticism has a POV is tantamount to claiming that breathing is a biased action. --User talk:FDuffy
For your information, Jfdwolff, the quote from Jeremiah on my user page is in reference to the documentary hypothesis and how it is backed up even from within the Bible at face value. If I had such a lack of respect for tradition, then how come I always include the classical rabbinical viewpoint where the Jewish Encyclopedia mentions it?--User talk:FDuffy 14:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
FDuffy, the Jewish Encyclopedia is not the final word, neither on Rabbinical scholarship or on the Documentary Hypothesis. Quite on the contrary, it is >100 years old, and even in its day represented a stream in Rabbinical scholarship that was rather innovative (to use an euphemism). Many of the points you quote as the gospel (no pun intended) are highly, highly speculative and rather easily disproven by a slightly less radical look at the text.
I have no doubt that you want to improve the critical scholarship in Wikipedia, and I agree that articles should have reasonable coverage of all views in Bible articles, quite unlike your characterisation of me as a literalist and an anti-intellectual. Your big problem, as I've said only several times in the past, is your failure to cite your sources adequately. Have a look at aprotinin. Before I touched it, it looked monstrous - clearly written by someone with an agenda. [2] It lacked historical context, basic biochemistry etc etc. With the judicious use of good sources it wasn't even too difficult to arrive at the much more relevant, NPOV and well-sourced article that we have now. Similar things can be done with Bible articles. If you represent the POV of the Jewish Encyclopedia or Richard Elliott Friedmann, then CITE IT. However, if you are simply inserting your own thought, then stop, because WP:NOR is one of Wikipedia's strongest policies.
Have you thought about fixing your signature, by the way? JFW | T@lk 19:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Friedmann tries to read things into that sentence that are not readily there. It is quite a feat to suggest that Jer 8:8 refers to the scribes rather than the people purposedly misreading their writings - simply from the verse's context. I admire the creativity, but it's not the plain meaning - or pshat in the terminology of Jewish exegesis.
Lev 18:22 is completely ambiguous as to whether the intercourse is anal, penetrative etc. All it says is "ve-et zachar lo tishkav mishkevei isha" - "do not lie with a man as one would lie with a woman". The term mishkav is not necessarily penetrative, nor does it definitely indicate that it is anal. Only through exegesis does Jewish law take this to refer to male penetrative behaviour. Female homosexuality is only banned by rabbinic law in Judaism, and is not derived from this verse at all. JFW | T@lk 15:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
You were fairly unclear. You said "lev. 18:22 actually mentions male-male anal sex" while it doesn't. It is correct that while Jewish law forbids fantasising about sin, is does not ban "being gay" but rather the act. JFW | T@lk 23:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
User:FDuffy claims that the Jewish Encyclopedia supports his position and brings a quote from it as evidence. The problem with this argument is that the Jewish Encyclopedia quote plainly opposed FDuffy's position. It plainly and clearly states that it is interpreting Samuel as representing "asked of" God -- Saul -that is untenable. The Jewish Encyclopedia not only provides no support for FDuffy's position, it strongly and emphatically opposes it. Here is the qoute again:
FDuffy's whole argument rests on an assumption that Hannah's answer must represent the etymology of Samuel's name, only if one believes this could an anomaly be perceived. The Jewish Encyclopedia takes the contrary position, stating that a purely etomological interpretation is "untenable." The sources FDuffy supplies simply do not check out in a very basic way. These claims should be removed. Best -- Shirahadasha 14:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
It is not my argument. I do not make arguments, wikipedia is not about original research. What is or isn't logical, and whether or not you think it depends on belief, or the perception of an anomaly, is not important - you should not try to form an argument of this manner since you would be creating original research by doing so.
The argument clearly exists, is cited, and is notable - the only qualification required for being present in wikipedia. What you are disputing is whether the position is a majority one, and whether the Jewish Encyclopedia views the argument as accurate or not - as a Jewish Encyclopedia, in the era before editorial neutrality (ie wikipedia), I would hazard a guess that some editorial bias may have been present. This is not important; what is important is that the view exists, is notable, and mentioned by a respected encyclopedia. You would seem to be attempting to remove a view simply because you disagree with it - something not allowed.
As for other citations, which you have asked me to present, where this theory is produced:
--User talk:FDuffy 21:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
-- Could you please provide standard references with author, title, publication date, ISBN, page numbers if possible? Thanks. -- Shirahadasha 19:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I have reviewed an additional source user:FDuffy provided, Peake's Biblical Commentary and the version I found (Mathew Black, Peake's Commentary on the Bible. Routledge, 2001. ISBN 0415263557) says the following at p. 319:
I agree this commentary is a reliable source to support mention of the idea as a hypothesis. However, a plain reading suggests it describes the theory as a suggestion ("it has been suggested..."). This tentative statement of the view does not appear consistent with the use of emphatic language or claims that the idea is established among "most" academic scholars or with anything like the degree of evidence or support comparable to evolution. A lot of explanation (e.g. a later anti-monarchist author etc.) which does not appear to be in this source's commentary on the Hannah story (It may be elsewhere). The Hannah article (and others) need to be signifcantly toned down, to state only what the sources can support. It is the making of statements beyond what the sources can support, as well as Wikipedia's policy shouldering editors with the responsibility for supplying sources, that is at issue. If sources can simply supplied in accordance with policy, they could be quietly checked without all this fuss and bother. Best, -- Shirahadasha 22:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The anti-monarchist (aka republican) stuff is in the Jewish Encyclopedia (see for example the Samuel, Books of article) you will also find in Peake's at the start of the Samuel commentary (I.e. before 1 Samuel 1:1 is commented on).
Also note that the second sentence is quite definite - "but this interpretation belongs, etymologically to the name Saul", and not at all tentative - hence "most scholars" support the view that it belongs to Saul (to be true to the source one should perhaps say "all scholars", but evidently there will be some who disagree, just on religious grounds).
As a more general comment on Peakes, statements, suggestions, etc. given by the commentary are the majority view, unless otherwise stated, alternate views are given, or the view is attributed to a particular individual - these conditions are not met here, ergo it is the majority view. Other encyclopedia also present this view; Cheyne and Black for example state that it is "too clear for any trained biblical scholar to deny" and go so far as to propose the possibility that Saul may in fact be completely identical to Samuel (the latter being a theory that is definitely in a minority, and only suggested by Cheyne and Black as plausible, not probable).
As a word of caution, its probably best to be aware that Peake's is not out of copyright, and therefore that explicitely quoting from it verbatim is somewhat inappropriate (Im not sure of florida copyright law, so I dont know exactly how much can or cannot be quoted).
--User talk:FDuffy 22:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Check out - WikiProject Judaism Award. -- JuanMuslim 1m 03:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, a Judaism COTW is now established. Please help out and lets make this work.
Masterhomer
04:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I have just begun putting the public domain Jewish Encyclopedia online at Wikisource (see here). Not only is this an invaluable source of fantastic information; it can be mined for articles and images. Best of all, we can provide sources for statements by using projects within the Wikimedia family of projects. I encourage you to help in this effort. Danny 13:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
The current Sukkah article is about the masechta, not about the structure. Any takers? Tom e r talk 22:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone here have access to back issues of the British newspaper The Independent going back to 1990? The reason I ask is that I've worked for a while with other people on the Roald Dahl article dealing with his anti-Semitism. We've had a few anonymous users occasionally appear and try to reduce or delete this section of the article, but the charges are well-documented. Dahl long made anti-Semitic remarks, though he personally claimed to be only anti-Israel, not anti-Jewish. (It's a fact that he had several Jewish friends, who apparently viewed him as an Archie Bunker type.) However, shortly before his death in 1990, he finally admitted to The Independent that he was an anti-Semite. This last fact is one I remember being publicized back in 1990 when I was a teenager, but strangely I found no mention of it anywhere on the Internet. There was lots of information about Dahl's anti-Semitic statements in the 1980s, but it always gave the impression that Dahl went to his grave denying the charges. I finally dug up a reference to it in an old New York Times letter to the editor by Abraham Foxman that appeared shortly after Dahl's death, and this is the source I used in the Wikipedia article on Dahl. (The exact quote is as follows: "I am certainly anti-Israel, and I have become anti-Semitic.") I so far have not gained access to back issues of The Independent going back to 1990 (I think I'm going to try my local library). If anyone can get the exact citation of the article in which Dahl made this statement, I'd appreciate it. marbeh raglaim 15:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Have you tried the British library? It has back issues of pretty much everything published in the UK since 1900 (and before), including newspapers. --User talk:FDuffy 18:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Ha! As if I'm going to travel all the way to England just to verify this tiny fact. I guess anyone who lives near there might try; meanwhile, I'll look for sources closer to home. marbeh raglaim 03:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
You don't mention where in the world you are, but your user page suggests the U.S. If you can identify the date of the story you want, then there is a fair chance that you can get microfiche of it on interlibrary loan. - Jmabel | Talk 05:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi: I posted the following at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy#"Orthodoxy" alone is ambiguous. Thank you. IZAK 03:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 19#Liozna and Larger than Life (books). Thank you. IZAK 06:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this is the wrong place, I can't find a Jewish Wikipedian's notice board - is there one? This phrase was written in the Jewish Chronicle in 1877, it refers to a Jewish heiress marrying a British gentile aristocrat - can anyone explain to me, what they are trying to say - "If the flame seize on the cedars, how will fare hyssop on the wall: if the leviathan is brought up with a hook, how will the minnows escape" - I'm not Jewish and find it completely mystifying, I gather they are not happy but is their an explanation of the text? Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Its for an article I am writing here. Thanks in advance Giano 13:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
“ | אם בארזים נפלה שלהבת מה יעשו אזובי הקיר
אם לויתן בחכה הועלה מה יעשו דגי הרקק אם בנחל שוטף נפלה חרבה מה יעשו מי גבים If the flames seize upon the cedars, what will the hyssops on the wall do? If the leviathan is brought up with a hook, what will the small fish do? If the drout hits the dashing torrent, what will the waters of the purling brook do? |
” |
In an ongoing POV attack, anons [3] [4] attempt to present Messianic Judaism as "the practice of the religion of Judaism". ← Humus sapiens ну? 22:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi: Could you please take a look at the discussion concerning Conceptual backround: Hasidic dynastic disputes in the Barry Gurary article. See Talk:Barry Gurary#Dispute of content. Thanks. IZAK 03:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
In the Division of Jewish Studies on Wikiversity, I'm starting up a Department of Torah Study] to provide for a way for the perpetual discussion of the parshah online. If anyone is able, I'd really appreciate some help getting the project off the ground. I think it could be really successful if we could get a group of people together who are willing to contribute to the discussion even once a month. Kari Hazzard ( T | C) 18:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Just wishing everyone a happy and successful New Year. Shana Tova!
Masterhomer
08:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Kashrut is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 14:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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I am moving this section from Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Todo: it is supposed to be a list, not a discussion. No change in content. The note was so huge that it destroys formatting. Thanks. ← Humus sapiens ну? 10:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Biblical Criticism has been formed to "to improve the coverage of material related to Biblical Criticism. I.e. to improve the provision of information deriving from academic rather than just religious sources" (see for example: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biblical Criticism/Torah list).
Input into articles from this "school of thought" has already been offensive to some members of Project:Judaism. Therefore, members of Project:Judaism are requested to be alert to efforts that would radically change the classical teachings of Judaism on related subjects.
I don't disagree with Francis' insistence that articles should at least contain DH views. Yes, it's apokorsus, and I won't be the person writing it. What has annoyed me about Francis' contributions is the creation of a large number of articles with inadequate sourcing. Simply listing some popular books, such as by the infallible R.E. Friedman, is completely inadequate in controversial topics.
I would also insist that the "classical" interpretation is provided by default, with the academic/DH view brought seperately in a section dedicated to it. This will show clearly the differences between long-held popular belief (for which millions died during persecutions) and the concoctions of a group of people bent on distorting the history of Judaism and the Jews. The suggestion that Hosea endorsed spiced skulls is laughable (what would one do with a spiced skull anyway? smoke it?). Have you considered a prophet may be using metaphors to eloquently state his point? JFW | T@lk 12:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Please provide your view at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 October 10#Category:Saintly person tombs in Israel. Thank you. IZAK 03:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I have written the following to the nominator:
Meshulam: You should avoid this kind of move (the hasty nomination to delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)) because it's a slippery slope and could lead to the nomination for and deletion of similar articles about smaller Hasidic dynasties - by people who are not experts and don't care - with unintended consequences. Votes to delete are open to the world and you are inviting people who have no idea what this topic is about at all to cast a vote, which is very unfair and lacking insight. It seems that you may have been better off trying to add a {{ merge to}} template or considered MERGING the material at some point perhaps and WAITED (at least a month!) to do so. You should also have first started a discussion at a number of places where people who know something about this topic could have given their intelligent input, such as at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism and Wikipedia talk:Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. Or you could have contacted other editors who deal with topics like this to solicit their views. This action of your is extreme and I do not condone it. I urge you to withdraw this nomination. Thank you. (I am cross-posting this message on a couple of relevant places, to get people's attention.) IZAK 10:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
There is currently a dispute over the future fate and scope of the Bible article. Someone has enlisted the help of WikiProject Christianity on this matter, so (because this dispute has to do with including the Jewish POV) I am returning the favor here. Comments over at Talk:Bible are encouraged. Thank you for your consideration.-- Andrew c 20:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I recently nominated the Bereishit parsha article for FA here. However, it has run into a little difficulty because one of the editors feels that the article is not comprehensive enough, but doesn't know enough about Judaism to tell me what is needed. Could I ask you to check this article and, if it needs more to it, either add it yourself or explain what is needed on the FAC and I'll have a go. If it doesn't require anything, please also explain that on the FAC. Votes of support, of course, are also welcome. :) Thankyou, Dev920 ( check out this proposal) 23:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Jews in apostasy article needs attention. IZAK 10:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Please review the The Seven Worlds article. What is fact and waht is fiction? Anyone know? IZAK 11:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
What do you make of this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Seven Worlds 2? Thanks. IZAK 09:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I created a stub under Holy of Holies to address the location in the Tabernacle, Temple in Jerusalem and Temple Mount. There's a proposal under Talk:Holy of Holies either to merge it into Most Holy Place or to create a new article called something like Kodesh Kadoshim devoted specifically to this purpose. Please share any thoughts you might have on the subject in the discussion taking place at Talk:Holy of Holies. Best, -- Shirahadasha 00:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Holy of Holies, definitely. If there is an English term that umambiguously refers to that subject in question then WP:NC dictates that term is to be used (e.g. Passover). The content presently on Most Holy Place (which is a hodgepodge) can be moved to Shirahadasha's new stub. JFW | T@lk 19:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
User:FDuffy has made extensive edits to the Korban article, including, in typical fashion, citing the Jewish Encyclopedia as a whole without bothering to identify a specific article, and adding a provocative section entitled "Human Sacrifice" claiming a dark origin in human sacrifice based on the views of a single individual (assuming the individual actually said it) characterized as fact and as what "Biblical scholars" as a whole believe. I'm going to wait to comment myself until I've had a chance to review this user's claims, but perhaps others might want to comment now. At the very least, biblical-criticism type claims should go in a separate section. Best, -- Shirahadasha 20:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like to create a project to help improve the series of articles dealing with Conservative Judaism. What do I need to do in order to create a new WikiProject? Is anyone interested? -- yonkeltron 08:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be useful to carefully delineate the scope of such a WikiProject. Of course Conservative viewpoints deserve airtime, but it needs to be quite clear what POV is Conservative and what POV is Orthodox. We have previously had a Conservative-affiliated editor trying to redefine Orthodoxy according to his POV, causing incessant edit wars. JFW | T@lk 12:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd definitely join. Valley2city 06:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Why not have a task force instead?-- Ķĩřβȳ ♥ Ťįɱé Ø 06:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Question here. Tom e r talk 23:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any graphic skills, or for that matter a good graphics program to create a barnstar for contributions to Jewish projects, etc? WP:Islam has their own barnstar and I think we should have our own as well. I was thinking something looking similar to the original barnstar but with six arms instead of five (like the Magen David). Anyone willing to do this? Does something like this already exist? Let's recognize some contributions with some wikiBling... Valley2city 06:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all: Care to take a look at this Aaron, Son of the Devil article and see what you make of it. Does it have validity and is it being twisted in some (anti-Semitic) ways? Thanks. IZAK 04:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
The issues are expressed in these diffs:
Basically, my contention is that since the template is a portal to Jews AND Judaism (not just Judaism) it belongs in all articles on Jews as well. They disagree for a reason that I cannot fathom (particularly, I invite you to note the last entry in User:BhaiSaab's block log).
Involved users are me User:Hkelkar, nd, on the other side, User:Zora and User:BhaiSaab
Thanks for your attention. Shalom. Hkelkar 21:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have created this article, as well as the cat Category:Indian Rabbis. Please peruse, expand and make corrections as needed. Hkelkar 22:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there any objection to merging Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Manual Of Style into a proposed guideline for Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Judaism)? — Viriditas | Talk 00:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The Jewish Encyclopedia article on Cherubim says that the Chayot that Ezekiel saw were Cherubim, referencing a mention in the Talmud. The Cherubim article reflects this. I had always thought that the Chayot were their own kind of angel, something quite distinct from Cherubim. They get their own mention in prayers (for example, in kal adon in shacharit on shabbat). But I'm not an angel expert. Would somebody know offhand what the traditional view on this is? Is there a dispute about it? It seems to me either they shouldn't be described as cherubim in the cherubim article, or they shouldn't have their own article, or we should identify and source both sides of a difference of opinion. -- Shirahadasha 21:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
HI,
I have no in-depth knowledge of Judaism whatsoever. I came across this page: Qemant. It may or may not belong in your WikiProject. Just letting you know.
-- Ling.Nut 16:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The article Holy of Holies has been replaced by a redirect to Most Holy Place, which is a general cross-cultural article about special places in various religious and cultural traditions. I created a stub for Kadosh Kadoshim to be able to describe features unique to the Tabernacle, Temple in Jerusalem, and current Temple Mount. I created the Kadosh Kadoshim article because the situation seemed a little like wanting an article on Nasi, and having to use either an obscure Hebrew term or an English term like Manager that has numerous other uses that drown out the intended one. I'd be open to a better term that's short, not a neologism, well-known in the English world, and unique to Judaism and the Tabernacle and Temples. Also, I'd welcome contributions on the article. Will attempt a more in-depth article soon. -- Shirahadasha 06:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: See vote at: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 12#Category:Orthodox Jewish communities. Thanks. IZAK 11:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
There is currently some discussion on the Haredim and Zionism article that might benefit from some more intelligent comments.-- Meshulam 22:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Shirahadasha has created an new article called " Open Orthodoxy" - about a new notion (that is "neither fish nor fowl") recently coined by Rabbi Avi Weiss. After having been asked about it, I attempted to redirect Open Orthodoxy to the Avi Weiss article and post all its content there because on it's own it's a neologism in violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms, but Shirahadasha has reverted my redirect. What do you think should be done, please add your views at Talk:Open Orthodoxy. IZAK 09:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I have just contacted new User:Chavatshimshon who has made some big moves in long-standing articles about Jewish topics. Please read what I wrote to him and add your expertise and intervention. Thank you. IZAK 08:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I came across over 700 links to this organization, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The site has a ton of ads but on the other hand, it has content (and a Wikipedia article).
Normally, such an ad-intensive site with so many links gets attention at WikiProject Spam for further investigation. Even if it's not spam, many links may often get deleted as not meeting the external links guideline. I've left a note at WikiProject Spam asking others to look at some of these and see what they think.
Even some non-profit organizations will add dozens of links to Wikipedia since links in Wikipedia are heavily weighted in Google's page ranking systems. (If interested, see the article on Spamdexing for more on this).
You can see all the links by going to this this "Search web links" page. I encourage you to look at Wikipedia's external links guideline then look at the links in the articles you normally watch. Also, if you don't mind, please also weigh in at WikiProject Spam with your opinions. If you see links to pages that you don't think add additional value beyond the content already in an article, feel free to delete them, but please don't go mindlessly deleting dozens of links. (Per WP:EL, links that don't add additional value should be deleted but that doesn't necessarily mean they're "spam").
Thanks for your help and for providing some second opinions. -- A. B. 16:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I stumbled upon contributions of user:Budo (who earlier attracted my attention in other topics with his original interpretations), and I see quite a few artcles sitting here underlinked/undercathegorized (hence lacking rigorous attention) relater to the root "Nazar-". These must be reviewed and order made with them. Now it is total confusion.
Please review: Nazoraioi -- Nazarene (sect) -- Nazarene (disambiguation) -- Nasoraean -- Nazoraean -- Nazuraioi redir to ( Tzadikim Nistarim) -- Nazarenos (redir to Jesus) -- ( Nasri redir to Monophysitism. why?) etc. `' mikkanarxi 05:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thank you. IZAK 10:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The Messianic Judaism editors have been busy lately, you may want to know the following. Thanks. IZAK 19:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any comment regarding this? Tom e r talk 02:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know what kind of "rabbi" and Torah scholar Adolf Jellinek was (Orthodox, Reform, none-of-the-above, all-of-the above?) The question is important because he had a son Georg Jellinek who supposedly became a Christian, and the article about him says that "Jellinek, the son of Adolf Jellinek, a rabbinical scholar, converted to Christianity." Making it sound that the alleged conversion of George Jellinek is somehow "enhanced" (like a "hidur mitzva - lehavdil) by the fact that he had a "rabbinical father." Anyhow, the portrait of Adolf doesn't look like it would make it into an ArtScroll anything right now :-} In addition, in the List of converts to Christianity from Judaism Georg Jellinek is listed and his picture features very prominently. If anyone has any more information on this, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks. IZAK 14:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I am having a difference of opinion with User:Inigmatus who insists that Category:WikiProject Messianic Judaism be a sub-category of Category:WikiProject Judaism. I have tried to edit the page [11], and have even tried a compromise of having it be part of Category:Christian and Jewish interfaith topics instead which would be perfect for it, but each time he reverts me, claiming "We make that call, not you. We're not part of "normative" Christianity either." [12] and this:" "We" is Messianics. either both Judaism and Christain categories, or none go here. We make the call, because Messianics know best what is Messianic." [13], and he adds on Category talk:WikiProject Messianic Judaism#Main categories: "Either Christian and Judaism categories go here, or they both don't. Not one or the other. Messianics do not ascribe to Chrisitanity, and Judaism is an unrelated category. I didn't put either category in, so I request both be removed, but if one is to be listed, then I request both Christianity and Judaism be listed. "We" Messianics have the right to inform the readers who "we" are affiliated with. inigmatus 04:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)" What do you think should be done? Thanks. IZAK 14:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
On 25 October 2006 [14], User:Inigmatus moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha with the lame excuse "moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha: As discussed in prior archives, with the creation of the new Messianic Judaism template, this page can now be targeted for clean up: This entire page is better split into two articles" [15] thus opening up a whole new can of worms. This fits into this new pattern of vigorous pro-Messianic Judaism POV edits, moves, categories, projects and articles, basically without warning and ignoring the consensus that has been maintained for some time. The main problem is that the over-all thrust of the recent pro-Messianic Judaism activity is to mimic and and get as close as possible to any and all Judaism, particularly Orthodox Judaism, articles and efforts, so that anyone looking at the one will arrive at the other by sheer proximity and similarity. And I repeat this again, because of its relevance: * User:Inigmatus ( contributions), self-described as "A mystery user with a point to be made" (wouldn't that make anything he does as automatically POV?), has added a number of features to Messianic Judaism. A month ago he evidently plagiarized [16] the Template:Judaism and created Template Messianic Judaism based on it. He also created Wikipedia:WikiProject Messianic Judaism also obviously plagiarizing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism page. This may mislead unsuspecting readers and there ought to be some warning or guidance about this. I would suggest that a new template be develpoed that would be placed on Messianic Judaism pages with a "Note: This article deals with Messianic Judaism. It does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations." IZAK 03:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: In view of the above, please see the new {{ NotJudaism}} template:
Feel free to use it where applicable. Thanks. IZAK 05:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
There were a bunch of recent additions to Solomon's Temple. I did my best to copy edit this poorly written material, but I suspect that it was also poorly sourced and mostly either inaccurate, conjectural, or (insofar as it was accurate) redundant to material already there. Way outside of my expertise, though. Could someone have a look? - Jmabel | Talk 05:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Added by a new editor. The entry looks plausible but I am unable to find any sources in English google. I was hoping that people who knew more might be able to find sources and determine if this group is real and notable. JoshuaZ 05:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
As this is, according to the article, a very, very new group, that has functioned largely underground until now, it's not surprising that there is a paucity of sources. Does anyone speak Latvian or Russian, wwho could find some references in appropriate sources from the affected country, perhaps? HarvardOxon 05:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Question here. Tom e r talk 05:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I've written more than two dozen entries on Yiddish prose-writers and poets in the Russian-language wiki (some widely known religious figures as well). It is quite problematic an undertaking there, because these entries are regularly suggested for deletion on grounds of "having too many Jews there already" (verbatim) and the like (in the Russian wiki this sort of language is permitted). Thus far only one is about to be actually removed (on poet Srul Bronshtein). However, now that I just started to translate the entries into the English and Yiddish wikipedias (see my first addition on Srul Bronshtein), the very same people immediately post these for deletion. This seems to be a sort of stalking, but since my experience with this is limited, I don't really know what to do. Any help? -- SimulacrumDP 19:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I was hoping we could collaborate on cleaning splitting and writing up more articles related to 7mBn. I've tagged Noahide laws for a cleanup. I'm not rushing in, I've read them all up, I'm waiting for the readiness of a few others so we can take this on together, and have it featured on the main page sometime. Its possible, there are quite a few of us and will potentialy be a subject of interest. Again, I'm one for words and think the parent article should be Seven Laws of Noach, as in 'Sheva Mitzvas Bnei Noach'. Anything that is should be another 'ism'. Chavatshimshon 01:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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I am from the goyim side researching a Christian project which has a recurring Jewish theme rooted partly in the Narbonne and Leon schools of the 13th Century through an alchemical line via the Paris 1290 and Brussels 1370 pogroms into modern facts. If these ring a bell with anyone, please contact me directly at jelmain@skynet.be - I would prefer to have my suggestions peer-reviewed first. Jel 16:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
See [18]. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Base: UK.
Thank you. Nancy D.
Hello there.
I would like to ask if you don´t agree that the anonimous user 203.129.61.83 should be suspended or banned. I never did this before, but he already proved to be self-obsessed with his anti-catholic beliefs, and he´s editings aren´t definetely according with Wikipedia policies. Maybe you could ask for him to be suspended, since I never did this before and if I´m suggesting this, it´s because he gave me no other choice. Cheers! Mistico ( talk) 03:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you please help in the Talk Page:Thomas More debate? There are two users who insist in keeping a gross violation of Wikipedia policies concerning vandalism. Thanks. 81.193.220.52 ( talk) 20:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC) has called the Jewish encyclopedia a "hate source". Baka man 06:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I came across the guf which is apparently where souls are kept before birth. The two links provided (to jewishencyclopedia.com) only mention "guf" in passing, apparently as the transliteration from Hebrew of a word translated as "cage" or similar. Knowing positively jack squat about Judaism, I've come to ask someone here: is "the guf" a legitimate concept? The article also calls it the "Chamber of Guf" and notes several alternate spellings. Is "the guf" (or actually it should be just guf) the appropriate place for it? – Anþony talk 13:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal, and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. Badbilltucker 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
An anon has taken out a section there claiming as matters a conversation at Modern Orthodoxy- I don't fully understand what the critique of the section is. If someone who knows more about the relevant details could take a look it would be appreciated. JoshuaZ 05:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
it seems to me that this article should be at Shemoneh Esrei or even Eighteen Benedictions rather than at amidah, since the former is the prayer's proper name, `amidha being instead a "nickname" of sorts, analogous to the situation with `arvith, as opposed to ma`ariv. Thoughts? Tom e r talk 23:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone like to start an article about the Korban Pesach? Since right now all there is, is that Paschal Lamb disambig page that splits off to Jesus... It would be a nice start for Pesach too and help the Passover-related articles. Thanks. IZAK 09:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I strongly suspect that the Solomon's Temple article has been kidnapped by a fanatic crackpot. Sample: "the Temple could in no way have stood on the rock culminating the ancient Jewish citadel… For all the details, mathematical data and references, concerning this masterstroke-historical manipulation in Jerusalem (which, according to Natan, succeeded brilliantly until this day), and concerning (also according to Natan) the blind persistency of magisterial and complacent errors in history and archaeology, see the book online: The Temple of Solomon could not stand on its Water Tower at www.jerusalem-4thtemple.org." It is permeated through with this sort of stuff. I don't know the topic well enough to do much about this (I was just in there trying to copyedit when I noticed that there were problems well beyond those I can deal with as a proofreader). I suspect it may need eit her to be selectively removed, to be peeled way back to some much earlier version, or even to be restarted from scratch by someone knowledgable. - Jmabel | Talk 20:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Shirahadasha 21:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
There are still enormous problems there: much material cited from dubious sources. And, Shirahadasha. despite your undoubtedly good intentions, you mostly reverted my copy edits and the identification of a 19th century archaeologist. - Jmabel | Talk 07:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe I've now torn out the inappropriate material from Solomon's Temple. Twice, because User:Nnatan promptly reinserted it. (Apparently, he is citing his own original self-published research, and repeatedly telling people to see his own website for details.)
Similar issues at Temple in Jerusalem, by the way. Same user. I leave it to someone else to clean that one up. - Jmabel | Talk 22:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The "Jewish-American businesspeople" category was removed as were other ethnic groupings for business people. Comments are welcome at the discussion page for undeletion. I am trying to have the category recreated. Please read the comments there, and leave your thoughts. There are 15 subcategories for Category:Jewish Americans but this one was deleted by a group of people opposed to Jewish identity in articles. Only three votes were cast and then the category was deleted, leaving the biographies without a heritage category. Even if you believe there shouldn't be heritage categories please read the discussion and leave an opinion. Please go to: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_14#Category:Jewish-American_businesspeople_changed_to_Category:American_businesspeople -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Ling.Nut 07:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
What does one make of the new Category:Palestinian rabbis and Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense, I'll try to remember. However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine. Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism. Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy? What is this period? From Roman conquest until 1948? Thanks. Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion FYI: Hi Tomer! A Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion has asserted itself in the Korban article. The project indicates that it is an umbrella project for all of religion and that the current religion projects are subprojects of it, yet its member directory lists only six members. Where is the project coming from? Is it a broadbased project, a very small group with a very big reach, or what? If you know some background or some of its people, would be much appreciated. Best, -- Shirahadasha 03:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Judaism. Thanks, IZAK 10:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
NOTICE and OBJECTIONS:
Thank you for taking this matter seriously. IZAK 09:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the WikiProject I am most familiar with— Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups—has two projects listed as subprojects, both of which postdate it. Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America is quite active and has numerous participants and we've generally just gotten out of their way on anything they want to take over as within their scope; so far, there are no signs of them abusing that by staking out topics not obviously in their scope. And they seem to have adopted most of our best ideas, while we've picked up a few from them. Wikipedia:WikiProject Pashtun is smaller (only four participants), has so far bannered only 12 talk pages, doesn't seem very active, and until it shows more signs of life I wouldn't hesitate to "double up" on bannering talk pages.
Given that the Judaism WikiProject is quite active, I don't see the point of adding a Religion WikiProject banner to talk pages that have already been bannered by the Judaism WikiProject, unless the topic in question has significant ramifications outside of Judaism (e.g. the books of the Hebrew Bible are all equally important in Christianity). - Jmabel | Talk 17:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think your formulation is very different from mine. Material should be presented in an objecive but sympathetic manner, using the vocabulary appropriate to the topic. It does not necessarily mean "balance" within an article--it is not necessary to repeat in every article that Jews and Christians see things differently. There will however, be some topics in common where it makes sense to present the various perspectives together for a more lucid presentation. And if there is dispute, it is fair to alert the reader.
I would not hesitate in the least to edit a topic I think altoether wrongheaded. if I think I can do so fairly. I have added positive sources to articles about people whom I deplore to keep them from deletion. I think it extrmely wrong to have the view that only Jews, or only believing Jews, should edit here. I am aware that in some views Halacha accepts only arguments from believers. I would never dream of contributing to such a forum--not only would I not know enough, they'd through me out. It is such views which close individuals to "stuff that does not fit into their worldview." DGG 19:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC) Where we may differ is that I find I can best present the views I do not hold: I can better summarize creationism than Darwinism, because for Darwinism I am too much caught up in the details to have a good perspective. Obviously, doing this right implies that I have actually seen and considered what they have to say. DGG
((heading added--DGG) I must seriously question User:Badbilltucker's assertion above that:
Come again? "Atheism is a form of religion"??? What religion? Atheism comes from the Greek words a theos - "there is no God" so how can not believing in God be termed a "religion" unless one has totally lost touch with what the classical definition of "religion" means = (most basically) "belief in [a] God." Otherwise we can say that anytime anyone holds by any views (even antithetical to religion) they are "religious." If one is a fan of a movie star or celebrity or whatever tickles one's fancy, does that make one into a follower of a "religion"? Like the proverbial "Church of baseball" merely because most of America worships at its TV-altar as its national sport and people love to "worship" it tirelessly? One cannot allow confusion about the basics of religion to become the false foundation-stone of Wikipedia articles or projects. Sure we must, and we do all strive, for perfection as editors and writers, but we are not brainless blobs without ideals or religious principles, we must be steeped in knowledge and life's experience. IZAK 18:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, atheism means "godlessness" [a theos means "without god", not "there is no god"] and is never a religion, any more than "theism", "pantheism", "panentheism", or "deism", it is only ever a viewpoint. In the West, many atheists find religious expression in Secular Humanism and other forms of secular and, in many cases, antitheistic "religions", but that doesn't make atheism itself a religion. In light of that, adding Wikipedia:WikiProject Atheism to Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion was probably not a very well-considered move, especially for someone who claims to have studied the history of religion, the apparent appeal to self as authority in that assertion notwithstanding. WikiProject Religion looks to be an all-around poorly conceived project, and not very diplomatically executed. IMHO, it should really be merged with Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy as a sub-project, but definitely should not attempt to characterize itself as the "parent" of the various religion wikiprojects. חג אורים שמח לכולם, and a very merry christmas to everyone else. ;-) Tom e r talk 00:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to add to Special Sabbaths. Thanks. IZAK 03:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Milkhemet Mitzvah needs some attention, someone came at from a funny angle initially. See what you can add. Thanks. IZAK 18:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
... is currently located at " Rebekah". My feeling is that the article should be located at the most common English spelling should be used, which is "Rebecca" (or maybe "Rebeccah"). See Talk: Rebekah. — Batamtig 00:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, I just wanted to let you guys know of the WikiProject Messianic Judaism, which was recently started. I want to raise the issue of their Template:Messianic Judaism, which has many of the same articles as Template:Judaism does. Please see the ongoing discussion at Template_talk:Messianic Judaism regarding the contents of that template. Thanks. -- Ķĩřβȳ ♥ Ťįɱé Ø 03:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I translated the Russian wiki page, and would appreciate some editing. Please see the talk page for details. Madler 04:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
How notable is this person Mala Zimetbaum, and does she deserve an article of her own? There were millions of Holocaust so should they all get their own articles now? Doesn't that trivialize the event? Seems that if someone gets to write a book or gets mentioned somewhere, they then "automatically" become notable. What do you think? IZAK 16:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Question: What should be the name for the Shalosh Regalim: the Three pilgrim festivals or the Three pilgrimage festivals? Please see the discussion at Talk:Three pilgrimage festivals#Name. Thanks you. IZAK 16:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Template:Messianic Judaism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. IZAK 19:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I think we should start to add ratings to the WP:Judaism template (ie: stub-class, start-class, b-class, etc...) as well as having an assessment system. I don't know how to go about with this technical stuff at this time but is anyone else knowledgeable on how to do this? See Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey ( WP:NJ) for an example of what I see it looking like. Valley2city 20:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, IZAK and I are having one of our occassional disagreements where outside comment might be helpful, this time about the Kavod HaBriyot article. I recently started the article because the concept has gotten increased notability as a result of its use in a Conservative opinion on homosexuality. It was previously used by Daniel Sperber as a basis for an opinion on women's aliyot. Before then Orthodox rabbis used it for much more mundane topics like whether a deaf person can use a hearing aid on Shabbat. These rulings are based on a particular Bareitah and related discussion in Berachot 19b beginning with "Great is kevod habriyot, which can override a negative prohibition of the Torah." IZAK has rewritten the article (a) to claim that the concept as we know it today is really based on statements in Pirkei Avot and elsewhere, and (b) to present as fact his view that the Rabbis of the Gemorrah eventually rejected the Baraitah in toto, so that it has no legitimate application in Halachah, period. Whatever one makes of this, I presented sources that contemporary rabbis (on the mundane as well as the controversial topics) looked to Berachot 19b as their source, saw it as still having some life (although addressing at most Rabbinic rather than Torah prohibitions), and used it in contemporary opinions. Although I respect both his passionate attachment and his scholarship, IZAK's essay seems to me to be essentially Original research. What do others make of this? IZAK has put a lot of work into this, and I'd appreciate other's opinions before any more attempts to revert each other are made. Obviously this is a controversial topic with multiple views, and I myself find some interpretations more dubious than others. Please comment on Talk:Kavod HaBriyot#Requesting Comments. Thanks. Hope you had a tzom kal and have a Happy New Year, -- Shirahadasha 00:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Have you ever had a close look at this strange article: Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jewish people? It's full of red links for the supposed Jews he had contact with (do they deserve articles just because they were Hitler's alleged dentist/shoe-shine-boy/chimney-sweep/whatnots etc?) It's weirdly prurient. The heading stinks. Do all the Jews killed in the Holocaust get to be in it? How about all the theories about Hitler having a Jewish ancestor, does that also count as him having "contact" with Jewish people? I doubt that the originators of this article and those who worked on it have rational objectives. It should be merged with something else involving Adolf Hitler or even deleted for its stupidity. (If not, how about Adolf Hitler's contacts with gypsies, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Italian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Russian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with retarded people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with murderers this can go on forever, and then we can even create Category:Adolf Hitler's contacts with people. IZAK 02:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Ever heard of this? See List of Muslim converts#Religious figures: " Maimonides - Jewish philosopher, theologian, and physician forced to convert to Islam under pain of death during the Cordoba massacre of 1148. Reverted to Judaism when his life was no longer under threat.<ref>Lewis (1984), p. 100</ref>" I don't see which book by "Lewis" is even cited here, and does "Lewis" even say that? (I assume this refers to the Arabist Bernard Lewis.) I had once heard that the Rambam did issue a heter for this kind of procedure (it must be written somewhere) but I had never heard that it had also happened to himself personally. I read an article in the English Yated a couple of years ago that the Mashhadi Jews in Iran relied on such a ruling from the Rambam, and that it was controversial, yet acceptable according to Halachah. Can you help with verifying this, especially if it happened to the Rambam? Thanks. IZAK 18:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Reciting the Shahadah three times only means that a person wishes to be recognized as a Muslim. Whether or not they are actually Muslim is a matter left to God (and occasionally Islamic scholars) -- Ķĩřβȳ ♥ Ťįɱé Ø 18:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The group indicated above was recently revitalized for, among other things, the purpose of working on those articles whose content is such that the article does not fall within the scope of any particular denomination. To most effectively do this, however, we would benefit greatly if there were at least one member from this Project working on those articles. On that basis, I would encourage and welcome any member of this Project willing to work on those articles to join the Religion WikiProject. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure what is like in other articles but the Jewish article seem to get cluttered up pretty fast with links to shurim of everyone favorite rabbi. Perhaps it would be best if we add a comment at the top of the external link section giving a short explanation of what types of links are appropriate. A "external link cleanup campaign" might also be a good idea. And it could be helpful if we formate more specific rules for external links in halakhic article than what is currently explain in Wikipedia:External links. It seems to me that there is also a problem when there are many links to different, yet comparable, shurim on a topic. There is no need to include all, but it is hard to justify how to pick just one. Jon513 15:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Anon editor 24.110.12.50 has made some pretty substantial edits to Judaism's view of Jesus, Jewish Messiah, and Messianic Prophecy that should be examined. He's obviously well-intentioned, but his grasp of the language is a bit lacking and he's been somewhat over-eager to add links to numerous anti-missionary sites to every page which aren't really necessary for the subjects in question. Some of his other additions may be worthwhile, which is why I haven't made the changes myself - it will require a bit of effort to determine what parts should be kept and adjust the wording, and I'm going to bed momentarily after a long, torturous day of flat hunting. ;)
While you're at Judaism's view of Jesus be sure to check out the one-man crusade being waged by editor Just nigel to introduce first a section on MJ, and now a POV tag because the page is "biased against their religious minority". Dbratton 22:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at these templates:
with the
displayed prominently. Honestly, of all of Hinduism's symbols' did this one have to get "headline" billing on these templates? Alternatives are aplenty if one were to look around on articles listed on {{
Hindu Deities and Texts}} where there are dozens of less offensive symbols that could be chosen for the same purpose. While the
swastika may be ok with some Hindus, it should not be flashed around "in all innocence" because for the rest of the world that was caught up in
World War II it was the symbol of literal EVIL, DEATH and DESTRUCTION emanating from the
Nazis. It was
Hitler's personal diabolical "symbol of choice" and for that reason it is VERY far from neutral, no matter in what context it is used. It violates
Wikipedia:Civility to have it displayed in such an "in your face" fashion on these Hindu templates, giving it a dubious "place of pride" it does not deserve. Need one say more?
IZAK
22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a centralized discussion on this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism. -- tjstrf talk 01:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
NOTE: Talk about this is now centralized at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism#Use of Swastika. Thanks. IZAK 02:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed two separate moves:
1. Aharon Leib Shteinman --> Aharon Leib Steinman
2. Joseph Soloveitchik --> Joseph B. Soloveitchik
Please see Talk:Aharon Leib Shteinman and Talk:Joseph Soloveitchik to discuss and comment. Thanks, DLand TALK 04:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Great Synagogue of London has been tagged as requiring expert attention. Any such assistance in improving this article would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Badbilltucker 02:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Jon513 and I have had our hands full dealing with some original research-related edit warring from a new editor at Negiah. If anyone can help us build consensus there, it would be appreciated. -- DLand TALK 04:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with DLand on at least this point! As one of the two 'new editors' in question (new in that I've never made a login before), I think building consensus about how to correctly cite sources is really important to ensuring the quality of this article. I actually think the debate we were having on Negiah is pretty useful vis-a-vis how sources are cited in general in halachic articles on Wiki. (Namely, is it OK to cite, without comment, an ancient or medieval textual source for a contemporary practice, when the textual source itself appears to describe a different practice. Conversely, is it original research to instead translate or paraphrase the cited textual source in the body of a Wiki article?) The related issue of conflating rabbinic historiography with academic Jewish history/history of halacha is also of great importance. YM0107 18:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi all. A person pointed out to me that some of the individual pages for various rabbinical works (i.e., Avot de-Rabbi Nathan) are difficult to dive into without some background. What I thought might help matters would be some sort of template for "rabbinical literature" that would essentially parallel the structure of the Rabbinical literature page, and could be placed on the individual pages for the various Midrashic works and such (any page describing a post-biblical and pre-medieval work). This would make it immediately obvious what "category" such pages belong to, and where the interested reader should go for a "gentle introduction". (Of course the Rabbinical literature page should then provide such a "gentle introduction", which I'm not sure it currently does.) Is this template a good idea, and, if so, should I just go ahead and try to make a template (I've never done one before), or is there some procedure? Or is it a bad idea? Thanks much. — Dfass 00:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Please read Banu Qurayza and then compare it to Banu Nadir, Banu Qaynuqa, and Muhammad and the Jews. The first one is well written, while the last three proclaim, in not so many words, that Muhammad was great and those Jews had it coming. Please try to make all the articles like the Banu Qurayza article! Muhammad's treatment of the Jews is held up to be the model to emulate in many parts of the Middle East. It's vital that the wikipedia articles on these topics be accurate and neutral. Arrow740 02:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
If someone wants to put it on the front page of this wikiproject that'd be great. Arrow740 02:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, could somebody please place one of those Hebrew-character parenthetical names for this guy? I mean, the one with standard Hebrew and Tiberian Hebrew and the like. I wasn't sure which part of To-Do I should put this, so I figured I may as well put it here. The Behnam 07:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Godhead (Judaism) is a new contribution that requires further input. Thanks. IZAK 08:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SFD#.7B.7BHeBible-stub.7D.7D_.E2.86.92_.7B.7BTanakh-stub.7D.7D - crz crztalk 19:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Greetings! I come under the auspices of WikiProject Abandoned Articles, aiming to bring abandoned articles back to life. One such article is Molten Sea, and I was wondering if there was anybody with enough knowledge to expand the article and make it more detailed and comprehensive. -- Lord Pheasant 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor, User:Pan Dan, has tagged United Synagogue Day School, a Conservative Jewish Day school in Toronto, as not being notable. I am having trouble proving its notability. Any help to keep it would be appreciated. -- YUL89YYZ 23:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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39 categories of activity prohibited on Shabbat was recently expanded( [20]) The source of "Ribiat, Rabbi Dovid. The 39 Melachos. 12th ed. Vol. 3. Jerusalem / New York: Feldheim, 2003. Pages 783-803." is given. Can someone with the book handly see if it is a copyvio? (I suspect it is) Otherwise it needs to wikified. Jon513 17:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't do any vandalism, I think some mistook it for vandalism though, all I did was put down a picture of an actual Sephardic Jew. I got it off of [http: http://racialreality.shorturl.com/]. There was no harm intended. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arnie Gov ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
A new draft of a proposed policy on criticism is being circulated. Since Judaism articles tend to have lots of controversy, suggest editors might want to review and comment on the proposal. Best, -- Shirahadasha 18:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
In Jews and Judaism in Kazakhstan, it says, and I quote:
Can anyone find a source for this ... one which says what exactly is meant by "Jewish missionaries"? Tom e r talk 04:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Vat is this? Some type of joke? 203.217.94.62 09:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shammaite. -- Shirahadasha 18:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Given the recent re-deletion of Category:Jewish-American businesspeople in an attempt to circumvent the overwhelming consensus of the DRV in question, I think we might want to start an opt-in list for canvassing articles related to the project. Kari Hazzard ( T | C) 16:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
In Operation Wilno article there is a dispute whether Wilno in 1920 was inhabited by Polish Jews or Lithuanian Jews. See also Talk:Operation Wilno#The Jewish Issue. Comments appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Could some one with some background peek at
Talk:List of people by name: Aa#ben Joseph & ben Elijah? (And respond to this note with at least "Done", when their peek satisfies them it's been brought under control.)
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17:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)