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This guy's name seems to be spelt both Vernan and Vernon; some sources say he is a striker, some a winger, and one even says he is a defender; some say he is born in 1987, others 1980; some say he was born on 24 March of both years, others on 4 July of both years. The only information that ISN'T in doubt is that he is a Jamaican international! Can anyone help me get to the bottom of this enigmatic character? Many thanks, Giant Snowman 19:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Group 2 saw one of the great World Cup upsets on the first day with the 2-1 victory of Algeria over reigning European Champion West Germany. This memorable game resulted in the controversial match between West Germany and Austria, their third and final match. As Algeria had already played their third match the day before, West Germany and Austria knew that a West German win by 1 or 2 goals would qualify them both, while a larger German victory would qualify Algeria over Austria, and a draw or an Austrian win would eliminate the Germans. The fourth team in the group, Chile, were eliminated regardless of the outcome. After 10 minutes of furious attack, West Germany succeeded in scoring through a goal by Horst Hrubesch. After the goal was scored, the two German-speaking teams went into an unspoken agreement and just kicked the ball around aimlessly for the rest of the match. Chants of "Fuera, fuera" ("Out, out") were screamed by the appalled Spanish crowd, while angry Algerian supporters waved banknotes at the players. This sham performance was widely deplored, even by the German and Austrian fans who had hoped for a hot rematch of the 1978 FIFA World Cup match in which Austria had beaten West Germany. One German fan was so upset by his team's display that he burned his German flag in disgust.[1] Algeria protested to FIFA, who ruled that the result be allowed to stand, but events led to FIFA introducing a revised qualification system at subsequent World Cups in which the final two games in each group were played simultaneously.
You guys think we should create an article for this game? I think the German Wikipedia already has one.-- EchetusXe 11:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Here. Add to it if you can before it goes online.-- EchetusXe 01:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Over at Template talk:2009 Major League Soccer season table, we're having a discussion about whether to use shading similar to what is found at 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification to indicate whether teams are eliminated from or qualified for the end-of-season 2009 MLS Cup Playoffs. Any input would be appreciated. – Football. Fútbol. Soccer 05:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently on the main page as a DYK, saying "Did You Know ... that in 1900, Wilf Waller was the first South African footballer to play in the English Football League?" This was based on the first two sources quouted in the References section. www.allfootballers.co. also gives his place of birth as "South Africa".
I've now had this posted to my talk page :
I realise that this is original research but I think this makes the claim for him to be South African a bit tenuous. Possibly a Londoner who emigrated as a boy?
1881 England Census
Name: Wilfred Hugh Waller Age: 3
Relation: Son Father's Name: Charles Bullen Mother's Name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: St Geo Han Sq, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St George County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 4 Lyall Street Education:
Occupation: Builders Son
Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Belgrave
How best to proceed? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Arthur Wharton, who was born in the Gold Coast, played for Sheffield United in 1894–95, so Waller was definitely NOT the second foreign player to play in the FL. Wharton pre-dated Waller by about 5 years. Whoops! This just shows how important it is not to extrapolate from incomplete data. I'll be outside the headmaster's office first thing in the morning. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Are the Four Four Two Australian Awards notable enough for an article? I don't know the notability criteria for such a thing. Spiderone 07:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
why is it that in the players loaned out subsection, some editors, myself included, add the date the loan is due to expire, but in the main current squad, we never add the end date for players loaned in? as per Birmingham City F.C.#Players. Is there any reason for the difference in treatment? and if not, is there any good reason why the loan end date shouldn't be included for those loaned in? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 16:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys, I have just created the template 1960-61 in English football based upon the template on the 2009-10 article. Can someone have a look at it and make any amendments. It would be useful if WP:Footy editors could carry on creating templates for English football seasons so that we have a complete set and can see which articles are still needed for each season. Thanks. 03 md 07:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
A rough translation of the Norwegian article on Magne Hoseth seems to say that his real name is Magne Hoset (no 'H'), and that after one media outlet misspelt it, others copied and it stuck, in a similar situation to Blaise Kufo / N'Kufo. Even though Hoseth is arguably the common name, it is only so because of a typing error; so shouldn't the article be moved to Magne Hoset? Giant Snowman 19:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I've seen that several of the Korean footballer articles are about players that haven't made an appearance. I've done a few PRODs and I hope I haven't made any mistakes but just say if you disagree with one. Spiderone 10:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I've only just read the story, but apparently this footballer was sent to jail in Colombia in July for shooting dead a fan who "annoyed" him after a defeat in a game! I am no expert at South American football, and so any details about his footballing career (as opposed to his criminal one!) would be much appreciated. Thanks, Giant Snowman 16:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Can't any old pictures be used for Busby Babes like Liam Whelan? I mean they died ages ago so the copyright must have expired. Spiderone 17:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I came across Beragh Swifts while working on WP:DEP pages; not being a football fan it's Greek to me. Is there is shred of a claim of importance here? Thanks!-- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The article for the Uruguayan footballer José Leandro Andrade is currently at José Andrade. A number of sources give his name as José Leandro Andrade. Just wondering if someone could work out whether Leandro was a middle name or a first surname as per Spanish naming customs. The Hack 04:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Tom Parratt is currently on trial at Airdrie United. He's played certainly 2 league games, against Dundee and against Ayr Utd. On the club site match report, he's called A Trialist in the team list, as they do, but still mentioned by name in the prose. What I was wondering, is should these appearances go in his infobox or not? I was assuming not, seeing as his official name seems to be A Trialist rather than T Parratt, but would appreciate someone who understands the Scottish system clarifying the matter. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that a lot Category:Peruvian football clubs have been created. However, I don't know if all of them deserve to exist. A lot of them are clubs that participate in the Copa Peru but never have never obtained promotion or gained notability among people who are not of their region. Also, some clubs such as Jorge Chavez No. 1, are really old clubs that no longer exist. Creating an article for them is useless because they will never gain notability and because of the lack of internet sources, their article size will never increase. -- MicroX ( talk) 23:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Here are some teams that have my doubts:
There are some more that have my doubts but I'm not listing them because they could be more questionable than these. -- MicroX ( talk) 20:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I like the website at [8] and noticed some sourcing was required for the Leicester City GAN (which I assume will fail without continued work from the original nominator) and was considering using it. The website is not something I could see asserting notability but might be OK for a line. The webpage accepts contributions but it is through email to the creators so it looks like there is a vetting process. It also measures up from the poking around I have done. Any thoughts or should I stick with newspaper articles and such when using inline citaitons for kits? Cptnono ( talk) 02:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know whether a manager of a club in a semi-pro league would satisfy WP:ATHLETE? Thank you. Jogurney ( talk) 22:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
According to his article, Chris Henderson "played two years of college soccer at UCLA...upon graduating from college, Henderson played for German Second Division club FSV Frankfurt during the 1994-5 season." However, he appears to have graduated in 1990 - so what did he do for the four missing years?!? Giant Snowman 19:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
This category seems to have just cropped up, but I can't help feeling that it's more than a little bit overkill. Opinions please? – Pee Jay 19:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that team squads should me mentioned on here, but the official webiste (which I presume has them) won't load for me. Can anyone take a look for me please? Much obliged, Giant Snowman 11:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I was updating some of the links for the featured lists and I came across Sam Black on the List of Manchester United F.C. players which just went to a disambiguation so I changed it to "Sam Black (footballer)". Does he already have a page under a different name? Spiderone 15:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Tam Nsaliwa, a Malawi-born Canadian international, officially relinquished his Canadadian citizenship in favour of German one, in order that he would count as a non-EU player for new club AEK Athens. Since he relinquished it, he has been unable to be selected for the Canadian national team as he isn't officially Canadian; for all intents and purposes he is German. How do we represent his nationality using flags in 'Current squad' lists - Canadian? German? Malawian? Giant Snowman 19:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that articles about clubs' records and statistics are named in several different ways. Here's some examples:
As you can see, there's no consistency at all, whereas titles are supposed to be consistent per
WP:NC.
So, does anyone agree that we should always use the same title? —
Luxic (
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12:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I inadvertently got involved dealing with a disruptive IP at Garth Crooks last night who was removing the statement and reference to the player being the first black player to score a goal in an FA Cup Final, when he scored in the 1981 final. Eventually I got him to make his point on the GC's Talk Page and although his behaviour remained pretty uncivil the point he was trying to say has raised a query for which I would appreciate if an editor here can resolve. The IP provided references to blogs and fanzine sites which suggest Mike Trebilcock was the first player to achieve this in the 1966 FA Cup Final when he scored two goals for Everton who were 0-2 down at the time and eventually went on to win 3-2 against Sheffield Wednesday. The best example being the ToffeeWeb site here. Trebilcock's WP article also make the claim although this is uncited. Interestingly, although the Liverpool Echo, any number of Everton fanzine and blog sites make this claim, IPs sample here, meanwhile, the official Everton FC website does not seem to make such a claim here or here but just refers to him as the Cornishman. Has anyone got an authoritative reference re Trebilcock for which there would appear to be a case, so the two articles can be sorted, thanks Tmol42 ( talk) 11:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Are there any sources that say Crookes was the first?-- EchetusXe 23:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. Some pages that I´ve started are being (maynly by some anonim) corrected in some details, namingly:
resumingly, one or two parentesis?Saša Ilić ( Serbian Cyrillic: Caшa Илић )( born...) or Saša Ilić ( Serbian Cyrillic: Caшa Илић ; born ...)
I would appreciate very much your opinion guys, if not in all, at least in some of your preferencies, that´s wy I put it with numbers.
And please somebody chek the Lamine Diarra case ( he was the Serbian Superliga top scorer last season, so it´s quite important...). FkpCascais ( talk) 00:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that most of European cup/champions league articles are poor, so I started to add match details at 1989–90 European Cup, using RSSSF. Good or not? I believe it is an important task. Any opinions?-- Latouffedisco ( talk) 08:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I have created a stub for Sunderland's 2009-10 season in order to complete the Premier League club season articles for this year. Can someone please expand it with the Premier League results. 03 md 22:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
The 2009 Copa Sudamericana has completed its First Stage, which accounts for exactly half of the games of the competition. The next thirty games will take place from the Round of 16 to the Finals. Of course, I would like create a sub-article for the last four rounds, but I have no idea what to call the article. 2009 Copa Sudamericana knockout stages seems very wrong since the entire competition is essentially a knockout competition (as one can see by the bracket). Any ideas what the new article should be titled? Digirami ( talk) 05:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Is the Sandy Higgins who was a player between 1905 and 1919 the same as the Sandy Higgens who managed BSC Young Boys between 1924 and 1928? Giant Snowman 18:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a while ago that User:Doma-w had been creating articles for World Cup and European Championship qualification such as this. I think it should definitely be one of our goals to have standalone pages for each group of qualification and the main tournaments of all the major championships worldwide. However, I wanted to get some views on the style that the user has presented the page. Should they be left as they are with the addition of footyboxes, or should the team stats be removed in favour of the format used for 2010 qualification? Thanks. 03 md 08:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
This RM started over a month ago, consensus looks to be to move it to Jay O'Shea (due to media useage), can an admin please do the deed? Thanks, Giant Snowman 13:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
The article on Derby United is a hoax page. Would someone be able to nominate this page for speedy deletion? Animaly2k2 ( talk) 10:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I've just gone through the move log of Vlad9 ( talk · contribs), and there appear to be some dubious and undiscussed page moves in there. A few examples:
There are hundreds of moves out there, and a great deal appear to be legitimate. I can't go through them on my own, and as an IP I can't move them. What should happen? 83.80.18.68 ( talk) 22:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if else anyone has seen United States men's national soccer team 2008 results and United States men's national soccer team 2009 results. I brought this issue up somewhere (here?) once before, but I couldn't find it. What should we do with these? Necessary cleanup aside...Would it be correct if the information were to be moved onto a 2008 in American soccer and 2009 in American soccer article, respectively, similar to the national team results at 2008–09 in English football or 2008–09 in Italian football? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 17:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I listed Leicester City F.C. for GA nom a while back and its currently "on hold" while improvements are made, I don't have the knowledge or time to make them all myself so I'm appealing for help.
a full list can be found here but some of are as follows: -
Cheers, Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 00:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The only thing that is realyl tripping me up that is important is the mention of winning the War League South in 1942 and the Midland War Cup in 1941. I can't find a source for this. Any assistance with those two would be appreciated. Cptnono ( talk) 02:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Would something like "Spain at Euro 2008" ever be a good topic without a "Spain at Euro 2008" article? I say this because 4 of the players in that team are good articles now. Spiderone 19:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I've just been adding to the profile of the Grendanian international Kitson Bain, now at English league 1 club Tranmere Rovers. (which should be Khitson Bain I think).
One of the interesting things that has come up is that the external link provided to his national caps/ goals 25(9), seems at odds with various news reports I have found (and referenced). I can't find a full list of his his appearances and goals (unless anyone else can point me in the direction).
I've found 8 international goals and then an additional 4 in qualifying for the 2004 Olympics. Can anyone clarify if qualifiers for and/ or finals appearances at the Olympics constitute full international caps, or if (as I currently have a hunch) they are Under-23's?
Any help gratefully appreciated
Steve-Ho ( talk) 18:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Would playing in the Hauzen Cup be enough to pass WP:ATHLETE? For example this player hasn't played in the league or the Korean FA Cup but has played in the Hauzen Cup. Spiderone 11:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this article allowed? It has a dubious section called "Some with potential Goan connection" and doesn't cite any sources at all. Spiderone 18:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there anyway to get a wiki # link so as you can have a link going straight to (say) the 4th division table e.g. at both 1990–91 in English football and 1990–91 Football League you can't go direct to the 4th div league table because the sub-headings for the league tables are the same as for the Overview section above. Is there a solution to this, other than adding 'Tables' to all the League Table sub-headings (or is that quite easy for a bot?) Eldumpo ( talk) 20:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Its been reported by the Daily Mail that he's walked from Notts County but its still unconfirmed remove him as has been done, or wait until the club announce it? Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 07:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Digirami keeps making edits to those templates to change the images of transfers to text. Template:Fb si player, Template:Fb out2 player, Template:Fb in2 player. Is there an official WikiProject Football opinion on this? He lists his reason for editing as MOS:IMAGES#Avoid entering textual information as images. Ceriy ( talk) 12:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure why this was deleted but:
I think Abdurrahman Roza Haxhiu is notable because he has a stadium named after him but I can't find any sources to prove this since everything is about the stadium and not him. Spiderone 12:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like another opinion regarding the Brazil international caps from the 2009 CONCACAF Gold Cup. Here's the summary: Brazil was invited to the Gold Cup, but because their senior team had just played in the 2003 FIFA Confederations Cup, they chose to send their Olympic team to the Gold Cup. The Gold Cup is an official senior team tournament, therefore the international appearances and goals are fully recognized by FIFA. However, recently User:Paulozin keep excluding the Gold Cup appearances for Carlos Alberto de Jesus and Nilmar Honorato da Silva articles. I would like another opinion regarding this issue, because my research shows that FIFA and RSSSF includes the appearances from Gold Cup:
I would like an opinion on this issue, and I'll probably need some help to keep the correct information in the articles. I also have left a message on User:Paulozin's talk page and still waiting for a response. — Martin tamb ( talk) 17:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
CONMEBOL changed their website design recently and now all links to match reports have gone bad. I don't know if they will ever come back, or if these bad links are temporary because of the design change. But I felt that this should be brought up just in case. Digirami ( talk) 17:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you guys have a look at the contributions of this new user here and have a look at the articles he created/contributed to. I believe he made a number of texts and images copyright infrigements. Can someone please confirm this feeling? Cheers.-- Latouffedisco ( talk) 19:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Out of interest, when is the transition in positions from full-back/half-back/forward to defender/midfielder/striker considered to have happened in England? Obviously it's difficult to pin down an exact date, but a general time-frame would be helpful. – Pee Jay 20:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Quick question - would a team that participated in the DFB-Pokal be considered notable? (Not players, but the team itself). I was considering creating TSV Stelingen, just wasn't sure if it would pass or not. matt91486 ( talk) 05:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please speedy delete Paul Evans (footballer born 1973) under WP:CSD G6, and then move Paul Evans (South African soccer) there. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 10:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Done. Camw ( talk) 10:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm having trouble with an anonymous editor who keeps reverting my completely reasonable edits to Gerry Daly, calling them "childish vandalism". I've tried posting a message on the user's talk page, but they don't seem to be able to see why their reverts are unconstructive. Could someone please whack User:82.198.140.206 with a wet trout for me? – Pee Jay 20:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Out of two scorelines, 0–8 and 2–10, which would statisticians count as a heavier defeat? 0–8 as it would leave a team lower in a league table, or 2–10 as more goals were conceded? Oldelpaso ( talk) 12:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Georgios Fotakis has has one call up earlier in the year to the Green senior squad, but never made his debut. IP users insist on adding his international 'career' to the infobox, even though it shows 0 (0) - and I'm pretty sure consensus has been that we don't display calls ups in the infobox. Anyways, I have started a discussion here, any input appreciated. Giant Snowman 08:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Should players who competed for a club who have since been merged (and where both clubs have individual articles) appear in the category of the current club or the one they played in at the time. Specific example - should footballers who only played for Dagenham F.C. appear in the Category:Dagenham & Redbridge F.C. players Eldumpo ( talk) 21:25, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I´m fed up of some anonim guys making all kind of unuseless corrections and small changes in, mostly, ex-Yugoslavia players pages. The problem is that those are, in it´s majority, fans of certain clubs (I see it from it´s edit history) that like to have all the club players in same way. I have nothing agains it, but for me it´s not understandable to have people who care and spend time editing pages, and doesn´t see that half of these pages are or were(because I had to do it) unsourced, with the proper BLP´s indicating it. Since I think they follow this page too, I hope they are going to read my advice to them: " If you care that much, please, start adding sources to the pages!" And then lose time with small edits. FkpCascais ( talk) 23:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I was about to create an article on Lee Kendall who made one appearance for Cardiff in the the Football League Trophy against League Two side Rushden & Diamonds in 2001. However, according to the article on the Football League Trophy, the season in which he played the match was during a period when a handful of Conference sides competed in an attempt to even out the numbers. Does the fact that possibly non-professional Conference sides took part in the same year mean his notability could be in question? Kosack ( talk) 03:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
There are some players whose claim to fame is playing internationally for Kosovo such as Arsim Abazi, Fitim Haliti and Enis Zabërxha. Does this mean they pass WP:ATH? Spiderone 08:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if Billy Murphy (born 1895) and Bill Murphy (born 1920s) were father and son? The dates are right, both played on the wing, and both were from Liverpool... Giant Snowman 11:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin please move Honduras U-17 national football team over the redirect at Honduras national under-17 football team; it's an uncontroversial move as the latter is standard naming convention for national teams. Cheers, Giant Snowman 14:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Since one of the choices at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Rob Keith is footballer, your comments are invited. Uncle G ( talk) 04:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I know that Jeffrey Bruma's page, if it is deleted, is likely to be recreated in the future but surely being an unused substitute isn't enough. The argument raised in the AfD is that he has a full biography and all that stuff but from what I see most of the sources aren't independent. If you've got a minute, can you vote or comment? Spiderone 08:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of a problem with some editors over at Sylvan Ebanks-Blake. Both the PFA Footballers' Who's Who 2009-10 and the Sky Sports Football Yearbook 2009-2010 say that Ebanks-Blake is 5'10" tall, while the Wolves website claims that he is only 5'8". I had noted both print references when I added Ebanks-Blake's height to his article, and yet, when reverting his height to 5'8", two editors retained those references and called my edits vandalism. So which source should we trust? The sources that corroborate each other by saying he is 5'10", or the one official Wolverhampton Wanderers source that says 5'8"? – Pee Jay 16:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
On a lot of AfDs people are mistaking players being professional with clubs/leagues being professional. For example Jonni Heikkinen is apparently a professional player but he is playing in a semi-pro league for a semi-pro club. There seems to be a grey area here and a lot of people aren't sure. My interpretation is that anyone can be professional. You could be a professional player in the Conference South, for example, but that doesn't make you notable. Could WP:ATH be made clearer to avoid confusion? Spiderone 13:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to make another post here but if anyone's interested in seeing a football-related article on the main page then you can take a look here. We missed Duncan Edwards again unfortunately but we may be able to get Steve Bruce in December. Spiderone 15:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Arsenal F.C. players for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Giants2008 ( 17–14) 14:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Further to earlier discussion about record defeats, which is worse - 2–9 or 0–8? One's a bigger margin of defeat but the other involves conceding more goals...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 19:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The wiki article for Dean Bouzanis shows he appeared once for the under-23's in the article but in the text says he was called up. Did he actually play for the under 23s for Australia? A quick look around the web didn't identify that he did play for the under-23s Steve-Ho ( talk) 17:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_September_20 There is movement to remove squad numbers and current teams from sports infoboxes and to have this information only in the body text. Any support is welcomed. Lando09 ( talk) 17:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Londo06, oops, I mean User:Lando09 is just trying to circumvent consensus already established at Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league once again (this time without the use of sockpuppets apparently). Feel free to ignore his comments.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 23:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
errrrr, what do I do? Being transfer listed by the manager is worth including in a player's page. But with the whole squad going on at the same time then should I even bother? The six who are already transfer listed have "he was transfer listed by new manager Micky Adams in August 2009, along with five other youngsters, having failed to impress in the pre-season" in their articles.
This situation is a bit... unusual?-- EchetusXe 18:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
This seems a bit unnecessary, not to mention poorly written. It's just a list. Norfolk Football Clubs in the 2009-10 FA Cup JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 11:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Input welcome from this project at Talk:Tom Williams (footballer)#Number of spells at Peterborough. Merci, Giant Snowman 13:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Last week Euell was subjected to racist abuse at a game, which received national media coverage. Today Harry Redknapp is being reported as saying that racist fans should be jailed in the wake of the incident. Is this incident notable enough to be added on Euell's article? And if so, should it go in the 'Club career' or 'Personal life' sections? Thank you. ♦Tangerines♦· Talk 16:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Finished the 85kb article now. Reviews welcome.-- EchetusXe 16:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Dundee United F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 19:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I have created squad templates for every Great Britain squad to play in the Olympics (they can all be found in Category:Great Britain national football team templates) using the traditional colours of blue, white & red. However, I have just discovered this picture of the 1912 squad, which shows they wore white shirts. Does anyone know if this was a change kit or the 'home kit'? And does anyone know what colours the other teams wore? Giant Snowman 14:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
There is only one player in Category:Rhodesian soccer players (and subcat Category:Rhodesian expatriate soccer players) - who else but Brucey? - and this has surely been replaced by Category:Zimbabwean footballers anyway? Giant Snowman 14:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the two categories from Grobbelaar's page and redirected both categories; can an admin please check everything I've done is above board. Cheers, Giant Snowman 15:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
What is the policy page which is against putting fan lists into articles? Govvy ( talk) 18:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of proposing amendments to the guidelines restricting boys who play in the top flight of ball in countries with top leagues that are not professional. I know this is a big concern with all the stubs being created but those shouldn't pass per the general notability guidelines due to the lack of coverage anyways. Just to break it down here are some bullets:
Greetings. I am having trouble determining how relegation was dealt in the 2008 Chilean Primera División season, in particular the second relegation table. The formula currently on the page is from the Spanish Wiki, but I ran the numbers through a spreadsheet and the figures don't match. To add some confusion, RSSSF has a different formula altogether, but their numbers do add up correctly. Good thing they both have the right teams to be relegated, but the order of some other teams is different and the correct formula of either is questionable in my eyes. Does anyone know a different source I can find/use to determine which is correct? Or even if they are correct? (Warning: this form of regulation is unique to the 2008 season, so the 2009 season's regulations won't help.) Thanks in advance. Digirami ( talk) 23:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
This article apparently claims that the Veikkausliiga is fully pro (see the AfD on Jonni Heikkinen), and as it is obviously an important factor in many player's notability, I'm not prepared to trust Google Translate. Cheers, Giant Snowman 11:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this team has played at a high enough level, but I'm no expert on club notability...can any kind sage enlighten me? Giant Snowman 17:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this sub-project of ours still in use at all? It seems like it only covers 37 articles, and there doesn't seem to be any activity on the project talk page. – Pee Jay 14:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
How is it that any footy club-specific projects even exist outside the umbrella of WP:FOOTY? Why should any project not be under that umbrella? Do they want their own rules? The purpose of this project is to get all assoc football articles organized, improved, etc. A club from Sheffield, London, or Antarctica: does it matter? Manchester United and Liverpool have club-specific projects here. Why should anyone else be different? Everyone should have a common meeting place for issues of any kind so that we don't have derivations from footy consensus on [[insert topic]]. Am I wrong? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 17:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Has there ever been a consensus on this? The Football League Championship lists both England and Wales in the infobox. Comments on the talk page from a while back seem to be in favour of it featuring the England flag only, due to there being only one Welsh team playing in an English league, though both flags are still there. This seems to me like a case of undue weight, and perhaps a small note would be more appropriate, but I don't want to go changing anything without consensus, as I know people can get a little upset about this sort of thing, and I have no idea about the "official" status of the league's nationality anyway. Miremare 02:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I have changed most of the templates in Category:UEFA European Football Championship navigational boxes into navboxes and added some additional links. Can someone please check the accuracy of the links on the templates. Thanks. 03 md 00:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
in this template, we have individual pages for schedule, officials and stats, whereas some of the older tournaments have them as part of the main article, or they need to be added. 03 md 11:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a dispute going on here regarding the reliability of the "Northern Ireland Football Greats" website at [19]. Some further input would be helpful. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Nice to see this got settled in good fashion in my absence.-- EchetusXe 14:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the actual relationship between these two clubs? Is West Ham United basically Thames Ironworks with a different name, or are they separate clubs linked by a certain set of circumstances? The reason I ask is that I found both List of Thames Ironworks F.C. records and statistics and List of West Ham United F.C. records and statistics, but surely those two lists should be merged, right? – Pee Jay 19:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Do we have a minimum level that a club must have reached in order to entitle them to a season-by-season summary article? We currently have such articles for Shefford Town, Walton & Hersham, Dover Athletic, Eastbourne Borough, Hinckley United and Harrow Borough, none of whom have played in the Football League (although some may have appeared in the Conference or the Southern League). Personally, I think it's ridiculous that Shefford Town has an article like this, while several Football League clubs do not (currently, the highest-ranked team without a seasons article is Bristol City). Opinions please? – Pee Jay 20:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
There's a minor football tournament at the Francophone Games under way if any one fancies creating a Games sub-article here. Sources for dates/venue details can be found on the main article, and recent results can be found on the official website here. Some basic knowledge of French will help you out here. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 08:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Even if you're neutral on this is it possible that you can participate in this AfD. I know that, realistically, we will never all agree on this but it's quite important and I think we have to admit it is a weakness of Wikipedia. The argument is basically about an article that appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE but it's turned into a debate about whether Finnish articles should be excused for various reasons despite not being fully professional. My argument is that Wikipedia shouldn't have unsourced stubs that violate WP:GNG but obviously if they do happen to pass WP:ATH then this is all irrelevant. Spiderone 09:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
(reindent - reply to GS) - so why not vote that way at AfD's then. It seems most of the regular voters at football AfD's are close to Wiki football. Eldumpo ( talk) 22:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
This needs to be properly flagged up and located as a discussion about the working definition of what we mean by a fully professional league, and in particular what proportion of players being anything other than exclusively professional can be tolerated without removing the claim to that description, and whether such tolerance is only allowed for studying or for players below a certain age. I move that the discussion is moved to PFL's talk page, as it is swamping this page, and that it start trying to discuss what tolerances are to be allowed, rather than individuals and leagues. The rules should be set without being written to accomodate any group in particular, and those who play in leagues that might fall outside the definition will, of course, still be able to have articles if they can be held to meet GNG. Kevin McE ( talk) 09:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Should images of medals be added in national team articles? For example there ar medals in the Mexico national football team article in the Competitive record section. User:Catpooptv states here: These images are correct and approved for wikimedia and wikipedia. Thanks. The user is right, but should they be added to the articles. I removed them but the user kept adding them back until it got blocked, but now a different user named User:Catpoptv, obviously the same person, added them back. Should I remove them again? Black 'n Red 17:51, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
After encountering a few seemingly random display issues, I've found, by looking at a few different articles on the "What links here" tab, that when this template is transcluded in an article that it causes the navboxes at the bottom of the page to display improperly, similar to the issue of when an article applies <div> without the corresponding </div>. The spacing is awkward, the Navbox can't hide when there are multiples, etc. Has anyone else noticed this, and would anyone care to try fixing it? I've never used {{ Fb match2}} before and am unfamiliar with it. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 18:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The few that have participated in the AfD discussion might want to go back and review the AfD. Govvy ( talk) 14:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin restore Jonathan Dos Santos as he has now played internationally for Mexico. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 16:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Arsenal has no confirmed vice-captain; since Toure left Wenger has said he will rotate the position. However, van Persie has worn the armband twice and thus User:ArsenalWiki feels this is somehow proof that he is vice-captain. He's been continually changing the Arsenal for about the past month. Could someone else please bring it up on his talk page because it's clear he refuses to listen to me. The guy had some trouble when he was new here understanding that things had to be sourced but I thought he figured that out. Eightball ( talk) 21:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
The standard denonym of someone from Northern Ireland is 'Northern Irish'; it quite clearly says so on that country's article. However, Vintagekits ( talk · contribs) insists on reverting my edits on Shea Campbell to say 'from Northern Ireland' as opposed to the correct 'Northern Irish.' I have started a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Northern Ireland / Northern Irish, any input welcome. Giant Snowman 11:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Emirates Champions League - is this a serious competition? (I think it's football, but it doesn't have a WikiProject Football tag) DeMoN2009 15:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
How did that article go unnoticed for 1.5 years? Apparently the user who created this article was up to no good. He's been inactive since creating David Beckham Football about 1.5 years ago, a licensed game rumored "for release in November 2008". While writing this comment, Chanlder beat me to the speedy delete. Good job! JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 16:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
There recently was a young Everton player, Jose Baxter, arrested for drug possession and intent to distribute as well as possession of counterfeit money. [23] Idiot. This seems notable to me – not in the context of the Everton F.C. article, but definitely in the context of Everton F.C. season 2009–10 – but I'm not sure how to integrate it into the article. Create a new section for non-football happenings? One specifically for this event? Ideas? Thanks. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 18:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Merge Association football around the world List of FIFA country codes List of FIFA Member Associations.
See Talk:Association football around the world#Merge FIFA lists. jnestorius( talk) 18:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
A discussion is going on at Talk:Rushden & Diamonds F.C. about the removal of the {{ famous players}}. The user doesn't seem to understand that players who he thinks are "cult hereos"/"fans favs" is a clear enough inclusion criteria. -- Jimbo [online] 08:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
There should be a List of Rushden & Diamonds F.C. players for stuff like that. Rather than just players who have been popular in the past few years.-- EchetusXe 11:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the players I've mentioned so far in the discussion as examples are mentioned on the club's official website as fan's favourites and players of note in their records, who have had a more than just a few year at the club, but made their mark on it in a big way(I have provided relevent links, see the discussion). You need to remember the club is only 17 years old and has advanced far in that time; in that context 3 to 5 years if fruitful is a big thing in the context of the club's length of time in existance. It is also relevent to include players who have gone on the greater things whom the club helped to produce. The list is not perfect and I'm intending to sort through it when I get time. These names aren't ones I've added recently myself but I do object to the removal of the entire list. They are common as another person said on an above comment. If there are issues as to who is on the list then lets go through it on the discussion. So far, Jimbo has been very sweeping about the list and has not sat down and discussed who is on the list, although I have already indicated with reliable, official sources certain names already on it that justify their inclusion. -- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 15:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I think you're missing the point. My sources are the Official website maintained by the football club, not a fansite or forum. It is also maintained by a proffessional company that is contracted by all the football league's (amd former if in the league as of 2002m but have since left) websites and also obliged to conduct its own impartial research on the matter in collaboration with the club. One of the players as mentioned on the official site was voted as an all time cult figure (in the manner of Eric Cantona for Manchester United) by a BBC poll. Unless you can back up who on the list should not be on it with legitimate sources and not your opinion, it needs to be left alone since you are the one who is impliment POV, especially when at the beginning of the disputed section a criteria is clearly laid out. On another note, what constitute a reliable source on this particular subject?-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 16:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC) Can I say I appreciate the two people who have come to join the discussion and offer valid comments about the matter and are trying to engage in an edit war unlike Jimbo Online. The list certainly needs a consensus about it, but simply resorting to edit warring without discussion is not helpful-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 00:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
My suggestion is the following:
1. Has been recognised as a fan's favourite or Legend by an official source (citation in their entry on the club site along these lines). The official club website would be the most reliable source for this since it would definitive on this matter.
2. Has done something of note for the club. Ideally this would be something cited by the club website.
3. Key part of a very important event in the club's history. By this they would need to have been a regular that season or have done something without which that event would not happened.
4. For lower level clubs, players who have gone on to greater and better things. By this I would mean they have gone to a higher level, including former youth team products who have/does play regularly at a higher level. Eg. Cambridge United being the club from which Dave Kitson began his career, although they don't need to have made it to the Premier League. Ideally they would have become a regular at a more reputable club or a club at least one division above the club whom they left currently plays at.
That's my suggestion. I recommend ideally official club sources when determining whether a player qualifies, although point 4 may require other sources in addition.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 00:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, however I object to being attack consistantly in this manner. The suggestion I made is by no means perfect, it's not set in stone. It seems some are unwilling or unable to engage in proper debate without responding aggressively. Unless a solution can be reached, this is going to happen again and again and is a reason why wikipedia is going down hill. So far no one else has put forth anything concrete as a definitive proposal. It needs fleshing out. A bit of common sense needs exercising-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 11:31, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Just going by your points:
3. That's an excellent point. I was thinking more along the lines with this one of say title winning/cup winning or staving off relegation. So for strikers be scoring a high number of goals. In case of a relegation battle, having a high goals to games ratio in the last 10 - 15 games of a season that when examing the results if you took away would the change the outcome. In the case of cup winning and title winning, in the club's top goalscoring or League's top goalscoring charts for that season/cup competition with them in appearing in 50% + games in relevent competition. In case of clubs who regularly win trophies this isn't a big deal, but the rest, ie the majority of clubs who rarely win trophies, a player would gain note.
4.Good point about Michael Owen. My thinking is primarily aimed at Dion Dublin or Dave Kitson example with Cambridge, Youth products or players who spent at least part of their career (under the age of 24) at a club before going and playing regularly at higher level (50%+ of games since moving to a higher level at least two seasons in length or fufilling point 3 in the manner I describe above). In that case it would be a big deal if a player was bought from say a league 2 side and went on to play regularly for a championship side. You're right about Owen and in those cases using common sense would be a better approach because he fails the criteria at Newcastle by doing anything but succeeds at Liverpool and possibly England. He also made went down a level club wise although Real Madrid did nothing for him. He also achieved at Madrid so would not fit the criteria there. Hope that helps. For certain cases, reviewing them on an individual basis in discussion I think would help as well if a conclusion cannot be reached, but that's just a view rather than anything concrete.
I can see what you mean about fame and that, although that would be biased towards the larger clubs. In the context of lower league football, it is a big deal is a youth product eventually played at a high level. I hope this helps, as I said its something we should come to a conclusion about and I'm putting ideas forward to help us come up with some criteria which should be our goal at the end of this. -- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 16:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
So What are everyone's thoughts? Is what I've suggested ok then?-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 02:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I think you've more of less nailed the problem that caused all this, whether we are talking about players who noted by the club itself or the wider world in general. This hasn't been addressed at all. I think both points of views are legitimate which is the problem, especially at lower league level where a player could be of note at a club itself, but not in general. It's interesting you mention my proposals are too specific since I've been accused of not being specific enough. That is not a criticism, but helps to highlight that we need a committed debate on this issue and shows the clash I had was due to POV, rather than a proper criteria.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 15:36, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that's probably the best way to go about it. If everyone else is happy with a criteria of first basic question and common sense on a case by case basis, then I suggest that this become the clear criteria across the board.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 08:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
There is an essential difference between prose descriptions, and making up a list. No sensible editor would object to George Best getting a mention in the article on Tobermore United F.C., nor to Kevin Keegan being mentioned in the 1960s element of the history section of the article on Scunthorpe United (if the article were developed enough to have such). But once there is a list, then the reason for omitting someone from it must be as clear cut as the reason for including someone; on Scunthorpe again, there is no apparent reason why Billy Sharp is listed as a notable former player, but Neil Cox is not: the editor who did that may have had a reason, but they should be apparent. A club website is not an independent source; it is likely to be heavily slanted towards recent players and those that have left on good terms with the club, and is eventually only reporting the opinion of an observer, probably anonymous and not highly qualified in analysis of players' strengths and weaknesses. A hall of fame might merit recognition, but I would argue that it does not necessarily do so. Kevin McE ( talk) 11:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, its all very well putting forward objections, but you also need to be clearer when making your points, as well as making a suggestion. On this if the primary source is the Official club website, why would they try to claim a player was a fan's favourite if they were not? I dispute the POV that it would be heavily slanted towards recent players in particular. Just looking at Neil Cox, I could see reason to include to include him since he went on to greater things, winning the League Cup in 1994. Billy Sharp broke a club record for Scunthorpe for scoring the most goals in a season (and still holds), so the distinction on that is obvious.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 10:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
An editor has decided to Prod the Leinster Senior League (association football) and all the clubs therein. I have deprodded the league, those clubs that have played in the League of Ireland and one other that recently survived an AfD. However, several prods are still outstanding at Category:Proposed deletion as of 6 October 2009. I think we need to decide whether playing in this league confers notability and whether to deprod the others. TerriersFan ( talk) 18:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
A number of teams from the league's four senior divisions have played in this year's Intermediate Cup, so IMO all teams from those divisions would be notable according to WP:FOOTYN. Bettia (talk) 08:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I am nominating a DYK for Bob Bootland; any input appreciated! Cheers, Giant Snowman 16:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
This AfD I have just opened could be an interesting/controversial one, especially with all the recent hubabaloo over WP:ATHLETE, and so as much input as possible would be much appreciated. Regards, Giant Snowman 20:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand, why is the title Under-17 and then the article is about Under-19s tournament? Govvy ( talk) 13:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
He finally made his debut so can an Admin restore the article thanks. Govvy ( talk) 16:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
A Michael Thomas has made a couple of appearances for Macclesfield Town thus making his notable. I cannot find any source as to his date of birth. As there is already a Michael Thomas (footballer), what should the protocol be for the article name until his d.o.b is revealed. I was thinking Michael Thomas (midfielder), but the older player was also a midfielder? Cheers, -- Jimbo [online] 22:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Siniša Mihajlović stated in a reliable source: "I am proud of being a gypsy". [24] Why do people keep removing this? I have other sources that also state the same. [25] [26] Spiderone 19:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Several months ago the stats site at www.khscott.org.uk went down; this has now been re-activated as www.toon1892.co.uk. Is there a Bot that can fix all the broken links in references and external link sections? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 20:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
It's rather like all websites giving statistical details for an individual club - the club itself may give details of present-day players, but they won't give anything for players from the past. How do you assess the reliability of any of the sites listed on the sources page? I have enough information, although not the time, to create something similar for Southampton, but how would I demonstrate its reliability and accuracy? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking for some policy here. When referring to more than one stadium, should I try to use the plural in its Latin form, stadia, since "stadium" is a Latin word, or should I use it like an English noun, and add the "s" to make "stadiums". Both seem to be in use, and perhaps "stadia" is somewhat more common on British articles, but is there a policy I might follow here?-- Patrick { oѺ∞} 05:00, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
OED and Chambers both say either plural is acceptable. Guardian style guide prefers stadiums (so do I, but I don't suppose that has much bearing on the argument :-) cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
When I went to school, over 40 years ago, I was taught that if the singular of a noun ended in "um", the plural should end in "a"; thus "referendum/referenda", "stadium/stadia" (but not "plum/pla"!) but with the passage of time, this rule has been abandoned and modern English uses the normal plural forms. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I prefer and use stadiums. Aaroncrick ( talk) 20:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a problem with User:Tomsega, who seems intent on adding a quote from Alex Ferguson describing Wayne Rooney as "the best young player I've seen in my time" to the lead section of Rooney's article. To me, this doesn't seem appropriate, but the quote is referenced and User:Tomsega has resorted to calling my removal of the quote "vandalism". Anyone else got an opinion on this? – Pee Jay 22:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought following a couple of recent AfDs that consensus decreed that clubs that were worthy of having a season article in the past (by playing in a fully-pro league), but have since lost that status, are still worthy of having a season article. Case in point, Chamois Niortais F.C. season 2009–10 - they have recently been relegated to an amateur league for the first time in 25 years - and the article is currently PRODded. Cheers, Giant Snowman 11:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
It is my view that Monterrey La Raza (current) and Monterrey La Raza (1992–2001) should be merged into a single article at Monterrey La Raza. This is what I think the proposed merged article could look like. However another editor has reverted my attempts to merge the articles. In my opinion there is a clear link between the teams and the second is just a revival of the first. I can understand the logic in separate articles for franchises with the same name when there is plenty to write about, however I think it is ridiculous to have two separate articles especially when both are barely stub level. I also don’t think splitting articles like this is very user friendly. When I look up a subject on Wiki, I really don't want to have to trawl thru numerous articles to find what I’m looking for. I think it makes more sense to have them on the same page. Also when creating or editing articles it is extremely painful trying to make sure other articles are linked correctly. You will notice that very few articles are linked to either Monterrey La Raza (current) or Monterrey La Raza (1992–2001). The majority are linked to Monterrey La Raza. Sorry for ranting ! Am I alone in this view ? I would be interested in hearing any views here. Djln -- Djln ( talk) 18:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a requested article for a Gordon Brown (footballer born 1965); there is also a player by this name who began his League career in 1996 with St Johnstsone. Are these players one and the same? Starting a professional career at 31 is certainly unusual but not unheard of... Giant Snowman 19:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The St Johnstone Gordon Brown was born 21-10-1979 in Broxburn he was a used sub in the match against Falkirk played on 26-4-1997 (Source Scottish League Review 1997-98) Cattivi ( talk) 23:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks for the research guys - as ever! - it has enabled me to create articles on the players born in 1965 and 1979; they are one of five footballers by this name! Giant Snowman 00:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a difference between the Bolivian Football Regional Leagues and the Copa Simón Bolívar? I think, but additionally, which should be the main on? Digirami ( talk) 20:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to post here and invite members of the project to give peer review feedback on the article here: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Seattle_Sounders_FC/archive1. Depending on the outcome of the peer review, I hope to nominate it for WP:FA review soon. -- SkotyWA Talk| Contribs 03:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Seems that the football project considers player's wages the only indicator to a league's notability. In my opinion that is not the best way, media coverage and succesfullness are more important. For example: in Finnish top tier 87 % players are fully professional - and 13 % study or some may have even other jobs too. To be frank, judging all league players non-notable because of that is unreasonable. The league has national media coverage: matches are shown on television, national newspapers write everyday about the league etc. which I think is enuogh "significant coverage" for being notable in Wikipedia standards. -- SM ( talk) 13:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
[outdent] that link doesn't work for me. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Veikkausliiga is a founding member of European Professional Football Leagues [27] -- SM ( talk) 10:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
If anyone really felt like a bloodbath good argument, they could always try the
BRD approach: reword
WP:ATHLETE to reflect their concerns, wait for the change to be reverted, and then discuss the matter at the
notability talkpage.... cheers,
Struway2 (
talk)
12:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
How about Russian Premier League? It is not fully professional. FC Khimki player Boris Rotenberg has other job so the league is not fully professional. He runs hotel business. [28] Should we start to put Russian top league players in AfD vote? BTW, in Soviet times all players were amateur? -- SM ( talk) 20:19, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Cristiano Ronaldo is the new Armani underwear model, so he has another job -> Spanish league is not fully-pro. -- SM ( talk) 13:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a dispute going on on Lionel Messi and Zlatan Ibrahimovic and I was wondering which one is correct? Spiderone 16:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the case with piping A.F.C./AFC's? I'm unsure how to present clubs like A.F.C. Bournemouth, A.F.C. Telford United and A.F.C. Hornchurch. Usually I use Bournemouth, but AFC Telford United and AFC Hornchurch as there are defunct clubs named Telford United and Hornchurch. -- Jimbo [online] 12:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Which leads me to my first suggestion (full name in story, compressed name in box): i don't see what's the problem in writing, in storyline, LIVERPOOL FC. I think it adds somewhat to the piece's overall display. Furthermore, if it is a Wiki-rule, it can be "composed" i believe. All in all, whatever my "teammates" choose to do, some coherence is "warranted" i think.
Attentively, VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 19:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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This guy's name seems to be spelt both Vernan and Vernon; some sources say he is a striker, some a winger, and one even says he is a defender; some say he is born in 1987, others 1980; some say he was born on 24 March of both years, others on 4 July of both years. The only information that ISN'T in doubt is that he is a Jamaican international! Can anyone help me get to the bottom of this enigmatic character? Many thanks, Giant Snowman 19:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Group 2 saw one of the great World Cup upsets on the first day with the 2-1 victory of Algeria over reigning European Champion West Germany. This memorable game resulted in the controversial match between West Germany and Austria, their third and final match. As Algeria had already played their third match the day before, West Germany and Austria knew that a West German win by 1 or 2 goals would qualify them both, while a larger German victory would qualify Algeria over Austria, and a draw or an Austrian win would eliminate the Germans. The fourth team in the group, Chile, were eliminated regardless of the outcome. After 10 minutes of furious attack, West Germany succeeded in scoring through a goal by Horst Hrubesch. After the goal was scored, the two German-speaking teams went into an unspoken agreement and just kicked the ball around aimlessly for the rest of the match. Chants of "Fuera, fuera" ("Out, out") were screamed by the appalled Spanish crowd, while angry Algerian supporters waved banknotes at the players. This sham performance was widely deplored, even by the German and Austrian fans who had hoped for a hot rematch of the 1978 FIFA World Cup match in which Austria had beaten West Germany. One German fan was so upset by his team's display that he burned his German flag in disgust.[1] Algeria protested to FIFA, who ruled that the result be allowed to stand, but events led to FIFA introducing a revised qualification system at subsequent World Cups in which the final two games in each group were played simultaneously.
You guys think we should create an article for this game? I think the German Wikipedia already has one.-- EchetusXe 11:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Here. Add to it if you can before it goes online.-- EchetusXe 01:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Over at Template talk:2009 Major League Soccer season table, we're having a discussion about whether to use shading similar to what is found at 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification to indicate whether teams are eliminated from or qualified for the end-of-season 2009 MLS Cup Playoffs. Any input would be appreciated. – Football. Fútbol. Soccer 05:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently on the main page as a DYK, saying "Did You Know ... that in 1900, Wilf Waller was the first South African footballer to play in the English Football League?" This was based on the first two sources quouted in the References section. www.allfootballers.co. also gives his place of birth as "South Africa".
I've now had this posted to my talk page :
I realise that this is original research but I think this makes the claim for him to be South African a bit tenuous. Possibly a Londoner who emigrated as a boy?
1881 England Census
Name: Wilfred Hugh Waller Age: 3
Relation: Son Father's Name: Charles Bullen Mother's Name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: St Geo Han Sq, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St George County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 4 Lyall Street Education:
Occupation: Builders Son
Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Belgrave
How best to proceed? Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Arthur Wharton, who was born in the Gold Coast, played for Sheffield United in 1894–95, so Waller was definitely NOT the second foreign player to play in the FL. Wharton pre-dated Waller by about 5 years. Whoops! This just shows how important it is not to extrapolate from incomplete data. I'll be outside the headmaster's office first thing in the morning. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Are the Four Four Two Australian Awards notable enough for an article? I don't know the notability criteria for such a thing. Spiderone 07:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
why is it that in the players loaned out subsection, some editors, myself included, add the date the loan is due to expire, but in the main current squad, we never add the end date for players loaned in? as per Birmingham City F.C.#Players. Is there any reason for the difference in treatment? and if not, is there any good reason why the loan end date shouldn't be included for those loaned in? cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 16:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys, I have just created the template 1960-61 in English football based upon the template on the 2009-10 article. Can someone have a look at it and make any amendments. It would be useful if WP:Footy editors could carry on creating templates for English football seasons so that we have a complete set and can see which articles are still needed for each season. Thanks. 03 md 07:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
A rough translation of the Norwegian article on Magne Hoseth seems to say that his real name is Magne Hoset (no 'H'), and that after one media outlet misspelt it, others copied and it stuck, in a similar situation to Blaise Kufo / N'Kufo. Even though Hoseth is arguably the common name, it is only so because of a typing error; so shouldn't the article be moved to Magne Hoset? Giant Snowman 19:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I've seen that several of the Korean footballer articles are about players that haven't made an appearance. I've done a few PRODs and I hope I haven't made any mistakes but just say if you disagree with one. Spiderone 10:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I've only just read the story, but apparently this footballer was sent to jail in Colombia in July for shooting dead a fan who "annoyed" him after a defeat in a game! I am no expert at South American football, and so any details about his footballing career (as opposed to his criminal one!) would be much appreciated. Thanks, Giant Snowman 16:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Can't any old pictures be used for Busby Babes like Liam Whelan? I mean they died ages ago so the copyright must have expired. Spiderone 17:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I came across Beragh Swifts while working on WP:DEP pages; not being a football fan it's Greek to me. Is there is shred of a claim of importance here? Thanks!-- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The article for the Uruguayan footballer José Leandro Andrade is currently at José Andrade. A number of sources give his name as José Leandro Andrade. Just wondering if someone could work out whether Leandro was a middle name or a first surname as per Spanish naming customs. The Hack 04:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Tom Parratt is currently on trial at Airdrie United. He's played certainly 2 league games, against Dundee and against Ayr Utd. On the club site match report, he's called A Trialist in the team list, as they do, but still mentioned by name in the prose. What I was wondering, is should these appearances go in his infobox or not? I was assuming not, seeing as his official name seems to be A Trialist rather than T Parratt, but would appreciate someone who understands the Scottish system clarifying the matter. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that a lot Category:Peruvian football clubs have been created. However, I don't know if all of them deserve to exist. A lot of them are clubs that participate in the Copa Peru but never have never obtained promotion or gained notability among people who are not of their region. Also, some clubs such as Jorge Chavez No. 1, are really old clubs that no longer exist. Creating an article for them is useless because they will never gain notability and because of the lack of internet sources, their article size will never increase. -- MicroX ( talk) 23:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Here are some teams that have my doubts:
There are some more that have my doubts but I'm not listing them because they could be more questionable than these. -- MicroX ( talk) 20:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I like the website at [8] and noticed some sourcing was required for the Leicester City GAN (which I assume will fail without continued work from the original nominator) and was considering using it. The website is not something I could see asserting notability but might be OK for a line. The webpage accepts contributions but it is through email to the creators so it looks like there is a vetting process. It also measures up from the poking around I have done. Any thoughts or should I stick with newspaper articles and such when using inline citaitons for kits? Cptnono ( talk) 02:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know whether a manager of a club in a semi-pro league would satisfy WP:ATHLETE? Thank you. Jogurney ( talk) 22:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
According to his article, Chris Henderson "played two years of college soccer at UCLA...upon graduating from college, Henderson played for German Second Division club FSV Frankfurt during the 1994-5 season." However, he appears to have graduated in 1990 - so what did he do for the four missing years?!? Giant Snowman 19:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
This category seems to have just cropped up, but I can't help feeling that it's more than a little bit overkill. Opinions please? – Pee Jay 19:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that team squads should me mentioned on here, but the official webiste (which I presume has them) won't load for me. Can anyone take a look for me please? Much obliged, Giant Snowman 11:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I was updating some of the links for the featured lists and I came across Sam Black on the List of Manchester United F.C. players which just went to a disambiguation so I changed it to "Sam Black (footballer)". Does he already have a page under a different name? Spiderone 15:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Tam Nsaliwa, a Malawi-born Canadian international, officially relinquished his Canadadian citizenship in favour of German one, in order that he would count as a non-EU player for new club AEK Athens. Since he relinquished it, he has been unable to be selected for the Canadian national team as he isn't officially Canadian; for all intents and purposes he is German. How do we represent his nationality using flags in 'Current squad' lists - Canadian? German? Malawian? Giant Snowman 19:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that articles about clubs' records and statistics are named in several different ways. Here's some examples:
As you can see, there's no consistency at all, whereas titles are supposed to be consistent per
WP:NC.
So, does anyone agree that we should always use the same title? —
Luxic (
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12:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I inadvertently got involved dealing with a disruptive IP at Garth Crooks last night who was removing the statement and reference to the player being the first black player to score a goal in an FA Cup Final, when he scored in the 1981 final. Eventually I got him to make his point on the GC's Talk Page and although his behaviour remained pretty uncivil the point he was trying to say has raised a query for which I would appreciate if an editor here can resolve. The IP provided references to blogs and fanzine sites which suggest Mike Trebilcock was the first player to achieve this in the 1966 FA Cup Final when he scored two goals for Everton who were 0-2 down at the time and eventually went on to win 3-2 against Sheffield Wednesday. The best example being the ToffeeWeb site here. Trebilcock's WP article also make the claim although this is uncited. Interestingly, although the Liverpool Echo, any number of Everton fanzine and blog sites make this claim, IPs sample here, meanwhile, the official Everton FC website does not seem to make such a claim here or here but just refers to him as the Cornishman. Has anyone got an authoritative reference re Trebilcock for which there would appear to be a case, so the two articles can be sorted, thanks Tmol42 ( talk) 11:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Are there any sources that say Crookes was the first?-- EchetusXe 23:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. Some pages that I´ve started are being (maynly by some anonim) corrected in some details, namingly:
resumingly, one or two parentesis?Saša Ilić ( Serbian Cyrillic: Caшa Илић )( born...) or Saša Ilić ( Serbian Cyrillic: Caшa Илић ; born ...)
I would appreciate very much your opinion guys, if not in all, at least in some of your preferencies, that´s wy I put it with numbers.
And please somebody chek the Lamine Diarra case ( he was the Serbian Superliga top scorer last season, so it´s quite important...). FkpCascais ( talk) 00:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that most of European cup/champions league articles are poor, so I started to add match details at 1989–90 European Cup, using RSSSF. Good or not? I believe it is an important task. Any opinions?-- Latouffedisco ( talk) 08:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I have created a stub for Sunderland's 2009-10 season in order to complete the Premier League club season articles for this year. Can someone please expand it with the Premier League results. 03 md 22:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
The 2009 Copa Sudamericana has completed its First Stage, which accounts for exactly half of the games of the competition. The next thirty games will take place from the Round of 16 to the Finals. Of course, I would like create a sub-article for the last four rounds, but I have no idea what to call the article. 2009 Copa Sudamericana knockout stages seems very wrong since the entire competition is essentially a knockout competition (as one can see by the bracket). Any ideas what the new article should be titled? Digirami ( talk) 05:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Is the Sandy Higgins who was a player between 1905 and 1919 the same as the Sandy Higgens who managed BSC Young Boys between 1924 and 1928? Giant Snowman 18:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a while ago that User:Doma-w had been creating articles for World Cup and European Championship qualification such as this. I think it should definitely be one of our goals to have standalone pages for each group of qualification and the main tournaments of all the major championships worldwide. However, I wanted to get some views on the style that the user has presented the page. Should they be left as they are with the addition of footyboxes, or should the team stats be removed in favour of the format used for 2010 qualification? Thanks. 03 md 08:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
This RM started over a month ago, consensus looks to be to move it to Jay O'Shea (due to media useage), can an admin please do the deed? Thanks, Giant Snowman 13:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
The article on Derby United is a hoax page. Would someone be able to nominate this page for speedy deletion? Animaly2k2 ( talk) 10:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I've just gone through the move log of Vlad9 ( talk · contribs), and there appear to be some dubious and undiscussed page moves in there. A few examples:
There are hundreds of moves out there, and a great deal appear to be legitimate. I can't go through them on my own, and as an IP I can't move them. What should happen? 83.80.18.68 ( talk) 22:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if else anyone has seen United States men's national soccer team 2008 results and United States men's national soccer team 2009 results. I brought this issue up somewhere (here?) once before, but I couldn't find it. What should we do with these? Necessary cleanup aside...Would it be correct if the information were to be moved onto a 2008 in American soccer and 2009 in American soccer article, respectively, similar to the national team results at 2008–09 in English football or 2008–09 in Italian football? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 17:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I listed Leicester City F.C. for GA nom a while back and its currently "on hold" while improvements are made, I don't have the knowledge or time to make them all myself so I'm appealing for help.
a full list can be found here but some of are as follows: -
Cheers, Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 00:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The only thing that is realyl tripping me up that is important is the mention of winning the War League South in 1942 and the Midland War Cup in 1941. I can't find a source for this. Any assistance with those two would be appreciated. Cptnono ( talk) 02:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Would something like "Spain at Euro 2008" ever be a good topic without a "Spain at Euro 2008" article? I say this because 4 of the players in that team are good articles now. Spiderone 19:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I've just been adding to the profile of the Grendanian international Kitson Bain, now at English league 1 club Tranmere Rovers. (which should be Khitson Bain I think).
One of the interesting things that has come up is that the external link provided to his national caps/ goals 25(9), seems at odds with various news reports I have found (and referenced). I can't find a full list of his his appearances and goals (unless anyone else can point me in the direction).
I've found 8 international goals and then an additional 4 in qualifying for the 2004 Olympics. Can anyone clarify if qualifiers for and/ or finals appearances at the Olympics constitute full international caps, or if (as I currently have a hunch) they are Under-23's?
Any help gratefully appreciated
Steve-Ho ( talk) 18:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Would playing in the Hauzen Cup be enough to pass WP:ATHLETE? For example this player hasn't played in the league or the Korean FA Cup but has played in the Hauzen Cup. Spiderone 11:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this article allowed? It has a dubious section called "Some with potential Goan connection" and doesn't cite any sources at all. Spiderone 18:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there anyway to get a wiki # link so as you can have a link going straight to (say) the 4th division table e.g. at both 1990–91 in English football and 1990–91 Football League you can't go direct to the 4th div league table because the sub-headings for the league tables are the same as for the Overview section above. Is there a solution to this, other than adding 'Tables' to all the League Table sub-headings (or is that quite easy for a bot?) Eldumpo ( talk) 20:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Its been reported by the Daily Mail that he's walked from Notts County but its still unconfirmed remove him as has been done, or wait until the club announce it? Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 07:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Digirami keeps making edits to those templates to change the images of transfers to text. Template:Fb si player, Template:Fb out2 player, Template:Fb in2 player. Is there an official WikiProject Football opinion on this? He lists his reason for editing as MOS:IMAGES#Avoid entering textual information as images. Ceriy ( talk) 12:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure why this was deleted but:
I think Abdurrahman Roza Haxhiu is notable because he has a stadium named after him but I can't find any sources to prove this since everything is about the stadium and not him. Spiderone 12:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like another opinion regarding the Brazil international caps from the 2009 CONCACAF Gold Cup. Here's the summary: Brazil was invited to the Gold Cup, but because their senior team had just played in the 2003 FIFA Confederations Cup, they chose to send their Olympic team to the Gold Cup. The Gold Cup is an official senior team tournament, therefore the international appearances and goals are fully recognized by FIFA. However, recently User:Paulozin keep excluding the Gold Cup appearances for Carlos Alberto de Jesus and Nilmar Honorato da Silva articles. I would like another opinion regarding this issue, because my research shows that FIFA and RSSSF includes the appearances from Gold Cup:
I would like an opinion on this issue, and I'll probably need some help to keep the correct information in the articles. I also have left a message on User:Paulozin's talk page and still waiting for a response. — Martin tamb ( talk) 17:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
CONMEBOL changed their website design recently and now all links to match reports have gone bad. I don't know if they will ever come back, or if these bad links are temporary because of the design change. But I felt that this should be brought up just in case. Digirami ( talk) 17:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you guys have a look at the contributions of this new user here and have a look at the articles he created/contributed to. I believe he made a number of texts and images copyright infrigements. Can someone please confirm this feeling? Cheers.-- Latouffedisco ( talk) 19:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Out of interest, when is the transition in positions from full-back/half-back/forward to defender/midfielder/striker considered to have happened in England? Obviously it's difficult to pin down an exact date, but a general time-frame would be helpful. – Pee Jay 20:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Quick question - would a team that participated in the DFB-Pokal be considered notable? (Not players, but the team itself). I was considering creating TSV Stelingen, just wasn't sure if it would pass or not. matt91486 ( talk) 05:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please speedy delete Paul Evans (footballer born 1973) under WP:CSD G6, and then move Paul Evans (South African soccer) there. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 10:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Done. Camw ( talk) 10:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm having trouble with an anonymous editor who keeps reverting my completely reasonable edits to Gerry Daly, calling them "childish vandalism". I've tried posting a message on the user's talk page, but they don't seem to be able to see why their reverts are unconstructive. Could someone please whack User:82.198.140.206 with a wet trout for me? – Pee Jay 20:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Out of two scorelines, 0–8 and 2–10, which would statisticians count as a heavier defeat? 0–8 as it would leave a team lower in a league table, or 2–10 as more goals were conceded? Oldelpaso ( talk) 12:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Georgios Fotakis has has one call up earlier in the year to the Green senior squad, but never made his debut. IP users insist on adding his international 'career' to the infobox, even though it shows 0 (0) - and I'm pretty sure consensus has been that we don't display calls ups in the infobox. Anyways, I have started a discussion here, any input appreciated. Giant Snowman 08:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Should players who competed for a club who have since been merged (and where both clubs have individual articles) appear in the category of the current club or the one they played in at the time. Specific example - should footballers who only played for Dagenham F.C. appear in the Category:Dagenham & Redbridge F.C. players Eldumpo ( talk) 21:25, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I´m fed up of some anonim guys making all kind of unuseless corrections and small changes in, mostly, ex-Yugoslavia players pages. The problem is that those are, in it´s majority, fans of certain clubs (I see it from it´s edit history) that like to have all the club players in same way. I have nothing agains it, but for me it´s not understandable to have people who care and spend time editing pages, and doesn´t see that half of these pages are or were(because I had to do it) unsourced, with the proper BLP´s indicating it. Since I think they follow this page too, I hope they are going to read my advice to them: " If you care that much, please, start adding sources to the pages!" And then lose time with small edits. FkpCascais ( talk) 23:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I was about to create an article on Lee Kendall who made one appearance for Cardiff in the the Football League Trophy against League Two side Rushden & Diamonds in 2001. However, according to the article on the Football League Trophy, the season in which he played the match was during a period when a handful of Conference sides competed in an attempt to even out the numbers. Does the fact that possibly non-professional Conference sides took part in the same year mean his notability could be in question? Kosack ( talk) 03:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
There are some players whose claim to fame is playing internationally for Kosovo such as Arsim Abazi, Fitim Haliti and Enis Zabërxha. Does this mean they pass WP:ATH? Spiderone 08:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if Billy Murphy (born 1895) and Bill Murphy (born 1920s) were father and son? The dates are right, both played on the wing, and both were from Liverpool... Giant Snowman 11:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin please move Honduras U-17 national football team over the redirect at Honduras national under-17 football team; it's an uncontroversial move as the latter is standard naming convention for national teams. Cheers, Giant Snowman 14:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Since one of the choices at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Rob Keith is footballer, your comments are invited. Uncle G ( talk) 04:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I know that Jeffrey Bruma's page, if it is deleted, is likely to be recreated in the future but surely being an unused substitute isn't enough. The argument raised in the AfD is that he has a full biography and all that stuff but from what I see most of the sources aren't independent. If you've got a minute, can you vote or comment? Spiderone 08:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of a problem with some editors over at Sylvan Ebanks-Blake. Both the PFA Footballers' Who's Who 2009-10 and the Sky Sports Football Yearbook 2009-2010 say that Ebanks-Blake is 5'10" tall, while the Wolves website claims that he is only 5'8". I had noted both print references when I added Ebanks-Blake's height to his article, and yet, when reverting his height to 5'8", two editors retained those references and called my edits vandalism. So which source should we trust? The sources that corroborate each other by saying he is 5'10", or the one official Wolverhampton Wanderers source that says 5'8"? – Pee Jay 16:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
On a lot of AfDs people are mistaking players being professional with clubs/leagues being professional. For example Jonni Heikkinen is apparently a professional player but he is playing in a semi-pro league for a semi-pro club. There seems to be a grey area here and a lot of people aren't sure. My interpretation is that anyone can be professional. You could be a professional player in the Conference South, for example, but that doesn't make you notable. Could WP:ATH be made clearer to avoid confusion? Spiderone 13:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to make another post here but if anyone's interested in seeing a football-related article on the main page then you can take a look here. We missed Duncan Edwards again unfortunately but we may be able to get Steve Bruce in December. Spiderone 15:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Arsenal F.C. players for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Giants2008 ( 17–14) 14:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Further to earlier discussion about record defeats, which is worse - 2–9 or 0–8? One's a bigger margin of defeat but the other involves conceding more goals...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 19:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The wiki article for Dean Bouzanis shows he appeared once for the under-23's in the article but in the text says he was called up. Did he actually play for the under 23s for Australia? A quick look around the web didn't identify that he did play for the under-23s Steve-Ho ( talk) 17:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_September_20 There is movement to remove squad numbers and current teams from sports infoboxes and to have this information only in the body text. Any support is welcomed. Lando09 ( talk) 17:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Londo06, oops, I mean User:Lando09 is just trying to circumvent consensus already established at Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league once again (this time without the use of sockpuppets apparently). Feel free to ignore his comments.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 23:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
errrrr, what do I do? Being transfer listed by the manager is worth including in a player's page. But with the whole squad going on at the same time then should I even bother? The six who are already transfer listed have "he was transfer listed by new manager Micky Adams in August 2009, along with five other youngsters, having failed to impress in the pre-season" in their articles.
This situation is a bit... unusual?-- EchetusXe 18:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
This seems a bit unnecessary, not to mention poorly written. It's just a list. Norfolk Football Clubs in the 2009-10 FA Cup JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 11:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Input welcome from this project at Talk:Tom Williams (footballer)#Number of spells at Peterborough. Merci, Giant Snowman 13:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Last week Euell was subjected to racist abuse at a game, which received national media coverage. Today Harry Redknapp is being reported as saying that racist fans should be jailed in the wake of the incident. Is this incident notable enough to be added on Euell's article? And if so, should it go in the 'Club career' or 'Personal life' sections? Thank you. ♦Tangerines♦· Talk 16:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Finished the 85kb article now. Reviews welcome.-- EchetusXe 16:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Dundee United F.C. has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Malleus Fatuorum 19:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I have created squad templates for every Great Britain squad to play in the Olympics (they can all be found in Category:Great Britain national football team templates) using the traditional colours of blue, white & red. However, I have just discovered this picture of the 1912 squad, which shows they wore white shirts. Does anyone know if this was a change kit or the 'home kit'? And does anyone know what colours the other teams wore? Giant Snowman 14:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
There is only one player in Category:Rhodesian soccer players (and subcat Category:Rhodesian expatriate soccer players) - who else but Brucey? - and this has surely been replaced by Category:Zimbabwean footballers anyway? Giant Snowman 14:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the two categories from Grobbelaar's page and redirected both categories; can an admin please check everything I've done is above board. Cheers, Giant Snowman 15:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
What is the policy page which is against putting fan lists into articles? Govvy ( talk) 18:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of proposing amendments to the guidelines restricting boys who play in the top flight of ball in countries with top leagues that are not professional. I know this is a big concern with all the stubs being created but those shouldn't pass per the general notability guidelines due to the lack of coverage anyways. Just to break it down here are some bullets:
Greetings. I am having trouble determining how relegation was dealt in the 2008 Chilean Primera División season, in particular the second relegation table. The formula currently on the page is from the Spanish Wiki, but I ran the numbers through a spreadsheet and the figures don't match. To add some confusion, RSSSF has a different formula altogether, but their numbers do add up correctly. Good thing they both have the right teams to be relegated, but the order of some other teams is different and the correct formula of either is questionable in my eyes. Does anyone know a different source I can find/use to determine which is correct? Or even if they are correct? (Warning: this form of regulation is unique to the 2008 season, so the 2009 season's regulations won't help.) Thanks in advance. Digirami ( talk) 23:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
This article apparently claims that the Veikkausliiga is fully pro (see the AfD on Jonni Heikkinen), and as it is obviously an important factor in many player's notability, I'm not prepared to trust Google Translate. Cheers, Giant Snowman 11:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this team has played at a high enough level, but I'm no expert on club notability...can any kind sage enlighten me? Giant Snowman 17:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this sub-project of ours still in use at all? It seems like it only covers 37 articles, and there doesn't seem to be any activity on the project talk page. – Pee Jay 14:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
How is it that any footy club-specific projects even exist outside the umbrella of WP:FOOTY? Why should any project not be under that umbrella? Do they want their own rules? The purpose of this project is to get all assoc football articles organized, improved, etc. A club from Sheffield, London, or Antarctica: does it matter? Manchester United and Liverpool have club-specific projects here. Why should anyone else be different? Everyone should have a common meeting place for issues of any kind so that we don't have derivations from footy consensus on [[insert topic]]. Am I wrong? JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 17:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Has there ever been a consensus on this? The Football League Championship lists both England and Wales in the infobox. Comments on the talk page from a while back seem to be in favour of it featuring the England flag only, due to there being only one Welsh team playing in an English league, though both flags are still there. This seems to me like a case of undue weight, and perhaps a small note would be more appropriate, but I don't want to go changing anything without consensus, as I know people can get a little upset about this sort of thing, and I have no idea about the "official" status of the league's nationality anyway. Miremare 02:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I have changed most of the templates in Category:UEFA European Football Championship navigational boxes into navboxes and added some additional links. Can someone please check the accuracy of the links on the templates. Thanks. 03 md 00:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
in this template, we have individual pages for schedule, officials and stats, whereas some of the older tournaments have them as part of the main article, or they need to be added. 03 md 11:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a dispute going on here regarding the reliability of the "Northern Ireland Football Greats" website at [19]. Some further input would be helpful. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Nice to see this got settled in good fashion in my absence.-- EchetusXe 14:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the actual relationship between these two clubs? Is West Ham United basically Thames Ironworks with a different name, or are they separate clubs linked by a certain set of circumstances? The reason I ask is that I found both List of Thames Ironworks F.C. records and statistics and List of West Ham United F.C. records and statistics, but surely those two lists should be merged, right? – Pee Jay 19:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Do we have a minimum level that a club must have reached in order to entitle them to a season-by-season summary article? We currently have such articles for Shefford Town, Walton & Hersham, Dover Athletic, Eastbourne Borough, Hinckley United and Harrow Borough, none of whom have played in the Football League (although some may have appeared in the Conference or the Southern League). Personally, I think it's ridiculous that Shefford Town has an article like this, while several Football League clubs do not (currently, the highest-ranked team without a seasons article is Bristol City). Opinions please? – Pee Jay 20:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
There's a minor football tournament at the Francophone Games under way if any one fancies creating a Games sub-article here. Sources for dates/venue details can be found on the main article, and recent results can be found on the official website here. Some basic knowledge of French will help you out here. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) Join WikiProject Athletics! 08:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Even if you're neutral on this is it possible that you can participate in this AfD. I know that, realistically, we will never all agree on this but it's quite important and I think we have to admit it is a weakness of Wikipedia. The argument is basically about an article that appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE but it's turned into a debate about whether Finnish articles should be excused for various reasons despite not being fully professional. My argument is that Wikipedia shouldn't have unsourced stubs that violate WP:GNG but obviously if they do happen to pass WP:ATH then this is all irrelevant. Spiderone 09:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
(reindent - reply to GS) - so why not vote that way at AfD's then. It seems most of the regular voters at football AfD's are close to Wiki football. Eldumpo ( talk) 22:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
This needs to be properly flagged up and located as a discussion about the working definition of what we mean by a fully professional league, and in particular what proportion of players being anything other than exclusively professional can be tolerated without removing the claim to that description, and whether such tolerance is only allowed for studying or for players below a certain age. I move that the discussion is moved to PFL's talk page, as it is swamping this page, and that it start trying to discuss what tolerances are to be allowed, rather than individuals and leagues. The rules should be set without being written to accomodate any group in particular, and those who play in leagues that might fall outside the definition will, of course, still be able to have articles if they can be held to meet GNG. Kevin McE ( talk) 09:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Should images of medals be added in national team articles? For example there ar medals in the Mexico national football team article in the Competitive record section. User:Catpooptv states here: These images are correct and approved for wikimedia and wikipedia. Thanks. The user is right, but should they be added to the articles. I removed them but the user kept adding them back until it got blocked, but now a different user named User:Catpoptv, obviously the same person, added them back. Should I remove them again? Black 'n Red 17:51, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
After encountering a few seemingly random display issues, I've found, by looking at a few different articles on the "What links here" tab, that when this template is transcluded in an article that it causes the navboxes at the bottom of the page to display improperly, similar to the issue of when an article applies <div> without the corresponding </div>. The spacing is awkward, the Navbox can't hide when there are multiples, etc. Has anyone else noticed this, and would anyone care to try fixing it? I've never used {{ Fb match2}} before and am unfamiliar with it. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 18:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The few that have participated in the AfD discussion might want to go back and review the AfD. Govvy ( talk) 14:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Can an admin restore Jonathan Dos Santos as he has now played internationally for Mexico. Thanks, -- Jimbo [online] 16:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Arsenal has no confirmed vice-captain; since Toure left Wenger has said he will rotate the position. However, van Persie has worn the armband twice and thus User:ArsenalWiki feels this is somehow proof that he is vice-captain. He's been continually changing the Arsenal for about the past month. Could someone else please bring it up on his talk page because it's clear he refuses to listen to me. The guy had some trouble when he was new here understanding that things had to be sourced but I thought he figured that out. Eightball ( talk) 21:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
The standard denonym of someone from Northern Ireland is 'Northern Irish'; it quite clearly says so on that country's article. However, Vintagekits ( talk · contribs) insists on reverting my edits on Shea Campbell to say 'from Northern Ireland' as opposed to the correct 'Northern Irish.' I have started a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Northern Ireland / Northern Irish, any input welcome. Giant Snowman 11:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Emirates Champions League - is this a serious competition? (I think it's football, but it doesn't have a WikiProject Football tag) DeMoN2009 15:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
How did that article go unnoticed for 1.5 years? Apparently the user who created this article was up to no good. He's been inactive since creating David Beckham Football about 1.5 years ago, a licensed game rumored "for release in November 2008". While writing this comment, Chanlder beat me to the speedy delete. Good job! JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 16:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
There recently was a young Everton player, Jose Baxter, arrested for drug possession and intent to distribute as well as possession of counterfeit money. [23] Idiot. This seems notable to me – not in the context of the Everton F.C. article, but definitely in the context of Everton F.C. season 2009–10 – but I'm not sure how to integrate it into the article. Create a new section for non-football happenings? One specifically for this event? Ideas? Thanks. JohnnyPolo24 ( talk) 18:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Merge Association football around the world List of FIFA country codes List of FIFA Member Associations.
See Talk:Association football around the world#Merge FIFA lists. jnestorius( talk) 18:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
A discussion is going on at Talk:Rushden & Diamonds F.C. about the removal of the {{ famous players}}. The user doesn't seem to understand that players who he thinks are "cult hereos"/"fans favs" is a clear enough inclusion criteria. -- Jimbo [online] 08:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
There should be a List of Rushden & Diamonds F.C. players for stuff like that. Rather than just players who have been popular in the past few years.-- EchetusXe 11:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the players I've mentioned so far in the discussion as examples are mentioned on the club's official website as fan's favourites and players of note in their records, who have had a more than just a few year at the club, but made their mark on it in a big way(I have provided relevent links, see the discussion). You need to remember the club is only 17 years old and has advanced far in that time; in that context 3 to 5 years if fruitful is a big thing in the context of the club's length of time in existance. It is also relevent to include players who have gone on the greater things whom the club helped to produce. The list is not perfect and I'm intending to sort through it when I get time. These names aren't ones I've added recently myself but I do object to the removal of the entire list. They are common as another person said on an above comment. If there are issues as to who is on the list then lets go through it on the discussion. So far, Jimbo has been very sweeping about the list and has not sat down and discussed who is on the list, although I have already indicated with reliable, official sources certain names already on it that justify their inclusion. -- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 15:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I think you're missing the point. My sources are the Official website maintained by the football club, not a fansite or forum. It is also maintained by a proffessional company that is contracted by all the football league's (amd former if in the league as of 2002m but have since left) websites and also obliged to conduct its own impartial research on the matter in collaboration with the club. One of the players as mentioned on the official site was voted as an all time cult figure (in the manner of Eric Cantona for Manchester United) by a BBC poll. Unless you can back up who on the list should not be on it with legitimate sources and not your opinion, it needs to be left alone since you are the one who is impliment POV, especially when at the beginning of the disputed section a criteria is clearly laid out. On another note, what constitute a reliable source on this particular subject?-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 16:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC) Can I say I appreciate the two people who have come to join the discussion and offer valid comments about the matter and are trying to engage in an edit war unlike Jimbo Online. The list certainly needs a consensus about it, but simply resorting to edit warring without discussion is not helpful-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 00:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
My suggestion is the following:
1. Has been recognised as a fan's favourite or Legend by an official source (citation in their entry on the club site along these lines). The official club website would be the most reliable source for this since it would definitive on this matter.
2. Has done something of note for the club. Ideally this would be something cited by the club website.
3. Key part of a very important event in the club's history. By this they would need to have been a regular that season or have done something without which that event would not happened.
4. For lower level clubs, players who have gone on to greater and better things. By this I would mean they have gone to a higher level, including former youth team products who have/does play regularly at a higher level. Eg. Cambridge United being the club from which Dave Kitson began his career, although they don't need to have made it to the Premier League. Ideally they would have become a regular at a more reputable club or a club at least one division above the club whom they left currently plays at.
That's my suggestion. I recommend ideally official club sources when determining whether a player qualifies, although point 4 may require other sources in addition.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 00:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, however I object to being attack consistantly in this manner. The suggestion I made is by no means perfect, it's not set in stone. It seems some are unwilling or unable to engage in proper debate without responding aggressively. Unless a solution can be reached, this is going to happen again and again and is a reason why wikipedia is going down hill. So far no one else has put forth anything concrete as a definitive proposal. It needs fleshing out. A bit of common sense needs exercising-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 11:31, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Just going by your points:
3. That's an excellent point. I was thinking more along the lines with this one of say title winning/cup winning or staving off relegation. So for strikers be scoring a high number of goals. In case of a relegation battle, having a high goals to games ratio in the last 10 - 15 games of a season that when examing the results if you took away would the change the outcome. In the case of cup winning and title winning, in the club's top goalscoring or League's top goalscoring charts for that season/cup competition with them in appearing in 50% + games in relevent competition. In case of clubs who regularly win trophies this isn't a big deal, but the rest, ie the majority of clubs who rarely win trophies, a player would gain note.
4.Good point about Michael Owen. My thinking is primarily aimed at Dion Dublin or Dave Kitson example with Cambridge, Youth products or players who spent at least part of their career (under the age of 24) at a club before going and playing regularly at higher level (50%+ of games since moving to a higher level at least two seasons in length or fufilling point 3 in the manner I describe above). In that case it would be a big deal if a player was bought from say a league 2 side and went on to play regularly for a championship side. You're right about Owen and in those cases using common sense would be a better approach because he fails the criteria at Newcastle by doing anything but succeeds at Liverpool and possibly England. He also made went down a level club wise although Real Madrid did nothing for him. He also achieved at Madrid so would not fit the criteria there. Hope that helps. For certain cases, reviewing them on an individual basis in discussion I think would help as well if a conclusion cannot be reached, but that's just a view rather than anything concrete.
I can see what you mean about fame and that, although that would be biased towards the larger clubs. In the context of lower league football, it is a big deal is a youth product eventually played at a high level. I hope this helps, as I said its something we should come to a conclusion about and I'm putting ideas forward to help us come up with some criteria which should be our goal at the end of this. -- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 16:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
So What are everyone's thoughts? Is what I've suggested ok then?-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 02:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I think you've more of less nailed the problem that caused all this, whether we are talking about players who noted by the club itself or the wider world in general. This hasn't been addressed at all. I think both points of views are legitimate which is the problem, especially at lower league level where a player could be of note at a club itself, but not in general. It's interesting you mention my proposals are too specific since I've been accused of not being specific enough. That is not a criticism, but helps to highlight that we need a committed debate on this issue and shows the clash I had was due to POV, rather than a proper criteria.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 15:36, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that's probably the best way to go about it. If everyone else is happy with a criteria of first basic question and common sense on a case by case basis, then I suggest that this become the clear criteria across the board.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 08:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
There is an essential difference between prose descriptions, and making up a list. No sensible editor would object to George Best getting a mention in the article on Tobermore United F.C., nor to Kevin Keegan being mentioned in the 1960s element of the history section of the article on Scunthorpe United (if the article were developed enough to have such). But once there is a list, then the reason for omitting someone from it must be as clear cut as the reason for including someone; on Scunthorpe again, there is no apparent reason why Billy Sharp is listed as a notable former player, but Neil Cox is not: the editor who did that may have had a reason, but they should be apparent. A club website is not an independent source; it is likely to be heavily slanted towards recent players and those that have left on good terms with the club, and is eventually only reporting the opinion of an observer, probably anonymous and not highly qualified in analysis of players' strengths and weaknesses. A hall of fame might merit recognition, but I would argue that it does not necessarily do so. Kevin McE ( talk) 11:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, its all very well putting forward objections, but you also need to be clearer when making your points, as well as making a suggestion. On this if the primary source is the Official club website, why would they try to claim a player was a fan's favourite if they were not? I dispute the POV that it would be heavily slanted towards recent players in particular. Just looking at Neil Cox, I could see reason to include to include him since he went on to greater things, winning the League Cup in 1994. Billy Sharp broke a club record for Scunthorpe for scoring the most goals in a season (and still holds), so the distinction on that is obvious.-- MadDogRDFC ( talk) 10:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
An editor has decided to Prod the Leinster Senior League (association football) and all the clubs therein. I have deprodded the league, those clubs that have played in the League of Ireland and one other that recently survived an AfD. However, several prods are still outstanding at Category:Proposed deletion as of 6 October 2009. I think we need to decide whether playing in this league confers notability and whether to deprod the others. TerriersFan ( talk) 18:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
A number of teams from the league's four senior divisions have played in this year's Intermediate Cup, so IMO all teams from those divisions would be notable according to WP:FOOTYN. Bettia (talk) 08:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I am nominating a DYK for Bob Bootland; any input appreciated! Cheers, Giant Snowman 16:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
This AfD I have just opened could be an interesting/controversial one, especially with all the recent hubabaloo over WP:ATHLETE, and so as much input as possible would be much appreciated. Regards, Giant Snowman 20:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand, why is the title Under-17 and then the article is about Under-19s tournament? Govvy ( talk) 13:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
He finally made his debut so can an Admin restore the article thanks. Govvy ( talk) 16:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
A Michael Thomas has made a couple of appearances for Macclesfield Town thus making his notable. I cannot find any source as to his date of birth. As there is already a Michael Thomas (footballer), what should the protocol be for the article name until his d.o.b is revealed. I was thinking Michael Thomas (midfielder), but the older player was also a midfielder? Cheers, -- Jimbo [online] 22:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Siniša Mihajlović stated in a reliable source: "I am proud of being a gypsy". [24] Why do people keep removing this? I have other sources that also state the same. [25] [26] Spiderone 19:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Several months ago the stats site at www.khscott.org.uk went down; this has now been re-activated as www.toon1892.co.uk. Is there a Bot that can fix all the broken links in references and external link sections? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 20:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
It's rather like all websites giving statistical details for an individual club - the club itself may give details of present-day players, but they won't give anything for players from the past. How do you assess the reliability of any of the sites listed on the sources page? I have enough information, although not the time, to create something similar for Southampton, but how would I demonstrate its reliability and accuracy? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking for some policy here. When referring to more than one stadium, should I try to use the plural in its Latin form, stadia, since "stadium" is a Latin word, or should I use it like an English noun, and add the "s" to make "stadiums". Both seem to be in use, and perhaps "stadia" is somewhat more common on British articles, but is there a policy I might follow here?-- Patrick { oѺ∞} 05:00, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
OED and Chambers both say either plural is acceptable. Guardian style guide prefers stadiums (so do I, but I don't suppose that has much bearing on the argument :-) cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
When I went to school, over 40 years ago, I was taught that if the singular of a noun ended in "um", the plural should end in "a"; thus "referendum/referenda", "stadium/stadia" (but not "plum/pla"!) but with the passage of time, this rule has been abandoned and modern English uses the normal plural forms. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 16:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I prefer and use stadiums. Aaroncrick ( talk) 20:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a problem with User:Tomsega, who seems intent on adding a quote from Alex Ferguson describing Wayne Rooney as "the best young player I've seen in my time" to the lead section of Rooney's article. To me, this doesn't seem appropriate, but the quote is referenced and User:Tomsega has resorted to calling my removal of the quote "vandalism". Anyone else got an opinion on this? – Pee Jay 22:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought following a couple of recent AfDs that consensus decreed that clubs that were worthy of having a season article in the past (by playing in a fully-pro league), but have since lost that status, are still worthy of having a season article. Case in point, Chamois Niortais F.C. season 2009–10 - they have recently been relegated to an amateur league for the first time in 25 years - and the article is currently PRODded. Cheers, Giant Snowman 11:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
It is my view that Monterrey La Raza (current) and Monterrey La Raza (1992–2001) should be merged into a single article at Monterrey La Raza. This is what I think the proposed merged article could look like. However another editor has reverted my attempts to merge the articles. In my opinion there is a clear link between the teams and the second is just a revival of the first. I can understand the logic in separate articles for franchises with the same name when there is plenty to write about, however I think it is ridiculous to have two separate articles especially when both are barely stub level. I also don’t think splitting articles like this is very user friendly. When I look up a subject on Wiki, I really don't want to have to trawl thru numerous articles to find what I’m looking for. I think it makes more sense to have them on the same page. Also when creating or editing articles it is extremely painful trying to make sure other articles are linked correctly. You will notice that very few articles are linked to either Monterrey La Raza (current) or Monterrey La Raza (1992–2001). The majority are linked to Monterrey La Raza. Sorry for ranting ! Am I alone in this view ? I would be interested in hearing any views here. Djln -- Djln ( talk) 18:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a requested article for a Gordon Brown (footballer born 1965); there is also a player by this name who began his League career in 1996 with St Johnstsone. Are these players one and the same? Starting a professional career at 31 is certainly unusual but not unheard of... Giant Snowman 19:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The St Johnstone Gordon Brown was born 21-10-1979 in Broxburn he was a used sub in the match against Falkirk played on 26-4-1997 (Source Scottish League Review 1997-98) Cattivi ( talk) 23:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks for the research guys - as ever! - it has enabled me to create articles on the players born in 1965 and 1979; they are one of five footballers by this name! Giant Snowman 00:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a difference between the Bolivian Football Regional Leagues and the Copa Simón Bolívar? I think, but additionally, which should be the main on? Digirami ( talk) 20:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Wanted to post here and invite members of the project to give peer review feedback on the article here: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Seattle_Sounders_FC/archive1. Depending on the outcome of the peer review, I hope to nominate it for WP:FA review soon. -- SkotyWA Talk| Contribs 03:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Seems that the football project considers player's wages the only indicator to a league's notability. In my opinion that is not the best way, media coverage and succesfullness are more important. For example: in Finnish top tier 87 % players are fully professional - and 13 % study or some may have even other jobs too. To be frank, judging all league players non-notable because of that is unreasonable. The league has national media coverage: matches are shown on television, national newspapers write everyday about the league etc. which I think is enuogh "significant coverage" for being notable in Wikipedia standards. -- SM ( talk) 13:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
[outdent] that link doesn't work for me. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 15:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Veikkausliiga is a founding member of European Professional Football Leagues [27] -- SM ( talk) 10:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
If anyone really felt like a bloodbath good argument, they could always try the
BRD approach: reword
WP:ATHLETE to reflect their concerns, wait for the change to be reverted, and then discuss the matter at the
notability talkpage.... cheers,
Struway2 (
talk)
12:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
How about Russian Premier League? It is not fully professional. FC Khimki player Boris Rotenberg has other job so the league is not fully professional. He runs hotel business. [28] Should we start to put Russian top league players in AfD vote? BTW, in Soviet times all players were amateur? -- SM ( talk) 20:19, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Cristiano Ronaldo is the new Armani underwear model, so he has another job -> Spanish league is not fully-pro. -- SM ( talk) 13:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a dispute going on on Lionel Messi and Zlatan Ibrahimovic and I was wondering which one is correct? Spiderone 16:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the case with piping A.F.C./AFC's? I'm unsure how to present clubs like A.F.C. Bournemouth, A.F.C. Telford United and A.F.C. Hornchurch. Usually I use Bournemouth, but AFC Telford United and AFC Hornchurch as there are defunct clubs named Telford United and Hornchurch. -- Jimbo [online] 12:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Which leads me to my first suggestion (full name in story, compressed name in box): i don't see what's the problem in writing, in storyline, LIVERPOOL FC. I think it adds somewhat to the piece's overall display. Furthermore, if it is a Wiki-rule, it can be "composed" i believe. All in all, whatever my "teammates" choose to do, some coherence is "warranted" i think.
Attentively, VASCO AMARAL, Portugal - -- NothingButAGoodNothing ( talk) 19:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)