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The disambiguation article Eisenhower (surname) is included in Category:Eisenhower family. However, the surname is almost certainly not exclusive to members of the Eisenhower family.
Should the page be removed from the category, or should it remain? Painting17 ( talk) 00:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
An editor has requested that Fucking be moved to Fucking (disambiguation). Please join the discussion at Talk:Fucking#Requested move 28 August 2021. Thank you. -- Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 00:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, it seems to me that Michael Lindsay, 2nd Baron Lindsay of Birker is at least as notable as the anime voice actor Michael Lindsay. Since Lord Lindsay used "Michael Lindsay" as a journalist and academic ( https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/article/abs/unknown-war-north-china-19371945-by-michael-lindsay-london-bergstrom-and-boyle-books-ltd-1975-112-pp-595/66CACFCAD9B326516610E5D06512D9AE), it seems to me that entering "Michael Lindsay" should go to disambiguation page /info/en/?search=Michael_Lindsay_(disambiguation) rather than to the actor. It made me assume today there was no page for the journalist before further research revealed the page with his aristocratic title (which he only inherited after he had written several works) Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 09:27, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I invite members of this WikiProject to participate at Talk:Gestalt#Whether to include certain entries. The issue is whether the entries identifiable from this edit should or should not be included on the DAB page. Narky Blert ( talk) 19:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
There has been confusion about the article Rebecca Brown (author). Again and again, people try to insert stuff about some doctor by the same name who has delusions about Satanic conspiracies and wrote a book about it. Once, the whole article was replaced. Should there be a red link in Rebecca Brown for the Satanism woman? A link to the dismbiguation page at the top of Rebecca Brown (author)? Both? I guess you people will know the best solution better than I would. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 07:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
There are currently two articles John Youngs and John E. Youngs that are, on the face of it, handled appropriately under WP:TWODABS with hatnotes.
But there are also several "John Young" (without the s) articles disambiguated at John Young. I know I'd confused the two in the past. I was considering creating a John Youngs (disambiguation) which, under a strict reading of WP:TWODABS would be unnecessary, but that I think would be worth adding to the "See also" in the John Young disambiguation page. (That dab page already has a fairly lengthy See also section, and adding both John Youngs and John E. Youngs would clutter.)
I'm thinking this is the type of thing where WP:IAR applies. I'd normally just be bold and do it, but since it's not a straightforward edit revert, thought I'd check in here. TJRC ( talk) 16:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Done. Please have a look and feel free to correct anything I missed. TJRC ( talk) 00:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
I have been recurrently confounded by DAB pages whose title is a personal name, yet do not link to the most notable people named that way. Rather, the reader is supposed to find these in the Foo (name) article, and whether they get there from the DAB page or not seems to be entirely left over to chance.
Is there any guideline on this? I'm currently struggling with Omar (disambiguation) (see my query on the talk page), but I'd like a more general reference for what to do in this kind of situation.
Thanks for your input, ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 17:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bapu#Requested move 2 October 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 15:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Can someone look at Ken Crawford as I am in a WP:3RR situation. Thanks Tassedethe ( talk) 21:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
In the list of possible articles, the Psyche that refers to Rohde's book has a link to the article above it in the list. I suspect there isn't an article on Rohde's book as such (it is not linked in the article on Rohde himself). But I could not see how to edit the link out. Ed Brandon ( talk) 17:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Logbook was a PT about a ship's logbook. There was a dab at Logbook (disambiguation). The ship article is now at Logbook (nautical). The dab has been extensively changed and looks more like a BCA now (but still has the same title). Logbook redirects to the ship article instead of being the BCA/dab. There is also Log book, a redirect to the dab (the edit history there is confusing me). I'm not sure if there is more involved than just this, but it certainly needs to get straightened out. MB 21:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I was think of running a bot task for creating DABNAME redirects. So far, I've created (semi-automatically) ~1000 redirects, checking ~5000 disambiguation pages. What are your thoughts? ― Qwerfjkl talk 20:14, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Clicking on the "Open Dabfix" or "Random Cleanup" buttons redirects to an unregistered and parked domain Bryan ( talk) 13:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Is it standard practice to use a disambiguation page in a list to substitute for listing the articles individually even when there are only two or three articles on the disamb page? For example in Lancaster (surname), the disamb redirect " Mark Lancaster (disambiguation), multiple people" is used to substitute the two articles, Mark Lancaster, Baron Lancaster of Kimbolton and Mark Lancaster (artist). This seems to me to be making it more difficult for the reader to find the articles they want for little gain. If a list article is becoming unwieldy, and/or if there are many articles on the disamb page, as in the case with List of people with surname Brown and the disamb pages Aaron Brown, Adam Brown, Alex Brown, etc, listed at List_of_people_with_surname_Brown#Disambiguation_pages, then using that system seems appropriate. But for disamb pages with less than five entries, I am unsure of the benefits.
If this matter has been previously discussed, and consensus is to include disamb pages of less than five articles in a list article, then fine - it's just that this is not an area I travel in frequently, and it looks a little unwieldy to me. I have notified Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists and Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy (as it seems to be mainly lists of people's names where this happens) of this discussion. SilkTork ( talk) 13:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
{{
excerpt|Melanie Bernier|only=list|hat=no}}
:{{
transclude list|Melanie Bernier}}
. That might clarify what is happening, at the expense of extra software, bureaucracy and complication.
Certes (
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11:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)if incategory
so that nothing happens if it's tried on other types of page. (Fortunately, there's only one, very rare, subcategory, which never has a surname element:
Category:Temple name disambiguation pages.)The advantage to adding an unpiped link to the DAB page is twofold. (1) It helps readers and editors find variant spellings. (2) It tells editors to add a new entry to the DAB page, not just the surname page (which happens a lot, in both directions). Narky Blert ( talk) 12:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
Announcing WikiNav, a tool to filter and display Clickstream data. It shows a monthly analysis of destinations reached by clicking on links in a mainspace page, and of sources clicked on to reach that page. (Not my work.) Certes ( talk) 14:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a proposal floating around Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists#Index of Country-related articles that may be of interest to some members of this project. – Uanfala (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
I moved Southern League (baseball) to Southern League (1964–2020) because there are 2 baseball Southern Leagues. Southern League (baseball) would now need to be redirected to Southern League & redirects be re-targeted to Southern League (1964–2020), but it has 1777 linking articles. Is there an automated way to fix these, or can someone help with this? Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 17:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
OK, it appears "Southern League (baseball)" is being used for Southern Association well past 1919. The easiest way for me was to open both pages, Southern Association & South Atlantic League (1904–1963), in tabs & scroll to the list of teams & decide from that. Even then, some teams were in both leagues, but "Southern Association" also listed years for the teams. Much, much harder than expected. Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 13:32, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Belgian (disambiguation)#Requested move 25 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 17:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I started a move proposal at Talk: Turnaa that may be of interest. Leschnei ( talk) 19:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Do we have an effective boilerplate RfD rationale for getting rid of redirects like Daily Post (Disambiguation) which attempt to apply WP:DABNAME but miss the target? Certes ( talk) 21:39, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I was notified at talk:Fergie (singer) that a new local consensus is needed for a disambiguation hatnote. Is this correct? The target article clearly lists "Fergie" as an alternate name of the subject in the article lede. -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 18:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Siti was recently created and it contains a long list of people whose name begins with "Siti". In looking at a sampling of them, I haven't seen any that are normally referred to by just "Siti". Several have hatnotes saying there is no family name, they should be referred to by the given name "Siti something". Per WP:NAMELIST, only people who "are reasonably well known" as Siti should be listed. Comments? MB 04:18, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Should Arbinda attacks and Ouagadougou attack be dabs or SIAs? Their main use is in Template:Burkina Faso attacks. Certes ( talk) 00:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
There was a time when I could fix this disambiguation page myself. Please would a member of this project care to fix it? The issue arises in the article RNLB Mary Stanford (ON 733), when it relates the notable Daunt Lightship rescue. The Innisfallen (ship) was the passenger ferry from Cork to Fishguard, she interrupted her voyage to see if she could help. She "stood by". The problem is in RNLB Mary Stanford (ON 733) which reads:
The wikilink for Innisfallen gives the abbey Innisfallen when it should give the ship. Even though there is a disambiguation. Thanks Lugnad ( talk) 19:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, |
Infinity (disambiguation) has collected a large amount of material. I'd like some kind of advice on whether it's OK as-is, whether some material should be split out (like the music/songs), or whether some material doesn't belong here.
There's a lot here, because not only is infinity highly ambiguous in mathematics, Infinity (philosophy) contains a similar number of distinct ideas, and the name is highly popular for companies, songs, etc.
CRGreathouse ( t | c) 21:46, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I was surprised to find that King Charles isn't a list of monarchs named King Charles. It's just a list of disambiguation pages, each of which is a list of dukes, counts, and other non-kings, with a few kings also included. Often the kings aren't identified as such, for example one of the entries at Charles II is "Charles II of Sweden or Charles VIII of Sweden (1409–1470)", and we have to click through to the target page to discover that he was a king. The result is that if you're looking for a particular King Charles, and you know the country but not his number, the King Charles page isn't much help. GA-RT-22 ( talk) 15:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
I have started a discussion to talk about what the "See also" sections of various pages should contain. Please visit this section to participate in the discussion. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 22:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion criterion WP:G14 ("Unnecessary disambiguation pages") applies to:
- Disambiguation pages that have titles ending in "(disambiguation)" but disambiguate only one extant Wikipedia page.
- Regardless of title, disambiguation pages that disambiguate zero extant Wikipedia pages.
- A redirect that ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not redirect to a disambiguation page or a page that performs a disambiguation-like function.
I've sometimes kept an eye on the pages that get tagged for G14 deletion, and if I recall correctly, virtually all of the ones I've seen fall into two categories:
Is my experience representative? If it is, then maybe we need to amend the guidelines so that valid dab pages don't get deleted any more (#2 above), but the usual clean-up is still possible (#1). How about dropping the list of the specific criteria for page title and number of links (evidently, people don't read them), and instead having something simpler, like some carefully thought out variation on "Disambiguation pages that are no longer necessary"? – Uanfala (talk) 12:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Right now there are two articles for Japanese biologists named Hiroshi Inoue: Hiroshi Inoue (entomologist) and Hiroshi Inoue (which Hiroshi Inoue (bryologist) redirects to). It seems to me that neither is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so the article about the bryologist should move to the disambiguated page leaving Hiroshi Inoue to be the disambiguation page. Neither page has many views, they're both stubs with around one page-view per day on average. I was thinking about being WP:BOLD and doing it myself, but the existence of a redirect at Hiroshi Inoue (bryologist) complicates things, I believe. I've had to fix a few links to the bryologist which should have been to the entomologist, so making the bare name a disambiguation page would have that helpful popup come up letting editors know that multiple articles for people with that name exist. Hopefully this is the right place to ask if my idea makes sense, if not I appreciate a pointer to the right venue for discussion! Umimmak ( talk) 10:12, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Hiroshi Inoue now is a {{ hndis}} linking to Hiroshi Inoue (entomologist) and Hiroshi Inoue (bryologist). The one possibly remaining issue is the presence of Category:Taxa named by Hiroshi Inoue. This is used for taxa named by the entomologist, and there does not yet seem to be a corresponding category for the bryologist (although he also named taxa with articles on Wikipedia). But I'm thinking that this doesn't need to be fixed quite yet since there's only one category. Umimmak ( talk) 21:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ice age (disambiguation)#Requested move 9 February 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 21:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
I've searched the archives about this one, and looked for a MOS page for a rule, but cannot find anything specific. There seem to be differing schools of thought about whether to list (not a real example) all Joe Bloggses underneath Joe Bloggs (disambiguation) on the Bloggs (surname) page. I can see an argument for both, but I usually remove the duplicate listing because someone said so in a discussion somewhere ages ago, and it does make some sense to keep the authoritative complete list in one place. However one editor did point out that it's much easier to find, e.g. J. Bloggs, or Dr Bloggs or Rev. Bloggs, on the surname page when they are all listed in the same place. Then you get pages like Wade (surname) where some of the DAB pages (e.g. for Michael Wade) are not even mentioned. I'm not about to go changing a whole lot of entries now, but was just wondering if there is an actual rule on this, or whether it's just one of those things that differ on different pages, based on length or other criteria? (Although I do think that in the Wade case, it should at least be consistent within one article. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 08:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Most commonly, a new policy or guideline documents existing practices, rather than proposing a change to what experienced editors already choose to do.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I've imprudently gone well beyond 3R here. There might actually be something to disambiguate in the topics being added though on the face of it look like nothing more than partial title matches; however, discussion involves being on the receiving end of walls of text from editor with a definite POV, which given current events might even be part of some sort of misinformation about the extent of what is Russia. older ≠ wiser 22:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
A while back, I came upon {{ Nicholas}} and did some work on it. It inspired me to create {{ Anthony}}, {{ Charles}} and {{ Anastasia (name)}}. None of these templates have categories. Can people help me categorize these and help me see if there are other similar templates out there.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
After a recent move Ice Age was made a dab page. There are still a few hundred links to it. A lot of them refer to "the Ice Age", which I think should link to Last Glacial Period, but it could be that it doesn't apply to all cases. Any help or suggestions would be welcome. For more info, see Talk:Ice_Age#Update_all_Ice_Age_links_to_Last_Glacial_Period. Thanks. Vpab15 ( talk) 18:59, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I just came across Haydar, which is tagged as a given name page, but I am finding several things confusing there, namely: it includes surnames; it includes places; it includes lists in sections which also have their own name articles (e.g. Haider); and both Haydar (disambiguation) and Haidar (disambiguation) link to the page. Does this need a bit of a cleanup and rearranging? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 08:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
We have a new dab, which might work better at a BCA. Please comment at Talk:Hero City. Certes ( talk) 14:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I've just got a DAB notification about the Northern Argus link in Pulteney Street, Adelaide. Am I going bonkers, or can someone explain why it seems to be linking to "Northern Argus" (the DAB page), when the link in publisher is actually "The Northern Argus"? I can of course just remove it, but it just seems weird. Is the template dropping the "the"? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 06:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Cologne Centurions (disambiguation)#Requested move 3 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 03:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Conjuration (disambiguation)#Requested move 12 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 01:07, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure this is the right spot, please correct me when this is the wrong place.
I am looking for a list of articles with a disambiguation but without the corresponding disambiguation page. The intention is to (try to) solve them. Either by writing the disambiguation page, adding items to the disambiguation page, redirecting to the correct disambiguation page etc. I prefer an added "ignore list" for those cases that are insolvable.
This is clearly a job for a bot.
I know that the list will be shockingly long, but that is the challenge of it all.
I have something in mind as nl:Wikipedia:Onderhoud/haakjes/GeenArtikelZonderHaakjes1 and nl:Wikipedia:Onderhoud/haakjes/negeerlijst (the ignore list, providing skips for the bot). That page is updated regularly, on the 1st, 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th and 25th of each month. (A higher pace is not necessary)
I am not sure if such a list exists without me finding it or that it has to be created. The Banner talk 11:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure there's much to "solve" there. If an article is titled "Foo (bar)" and there is no dab page at "Foo", this may entail several situations:
So, I don't believe a database report of the type described here is on its own going to encourage editor activity that is going to be helpful. However, it can certainly be used as an ingredient in more complex queries to yield reports indicative of real problems (say, primary redirects without hatnotes). – Uanfala (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:7th Hussars (disambiguation)#Requested move 6 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 16:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Carleen (given name) is a page name that indicates the content should only be WP:APO content. However, it has long had WP:DAB content. Today, I expanded the APO content and attempeted to create a Carleen (disambiguation) page. However, I am realizing that the content is very sparse. In the dab, both places have no content on a Carleen page, but rather have minimal content in small parts of other articles. Does this dab page warrant existence? After the place in Wales became a redirect in 2009 and Carleen was moved to Carleen (given name) in 2011, the disambiguation purpose was lost if you ask me.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I have been running across quite a few name pages where {{ hndis}} has also been added - Conrado is one example. The reasoning behind this (I think) is that the name is also a mononym. My question is - if a page contains only people, and some of the article titles listed are monomyms, does it necessarily become a disambiguation page, or can it remain a name page? (@ Ortizesp: - I'm not objecting to your edit, just seeking information). I'm thinking particularly of the formatting differences; some name pages could require quite a bit of editing to follow DAB guidelines, Carlos Jorge would be a better example of that. Leschnei ( talk) 12:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Aioun#Requested move 21 March 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 06:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
I, personally, tend to write all words as close to the original as possible,
In this sense/attitude I have suggested a change on:
Talk:Schmendrick.
Steue (
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10:57, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I did some digging and found there are almost 500 pairs of disambiguation pages which differ by case. I've listed them all at User:Colin M/Disambiguation pages differing by case.
A lot of these look obviously problematic (perhaps the result of editors working on different case-variant titles without realizing the other page exists). e.g. Dream hunter - Dream Hunter; Scid - SCID; Baptized By Fire - Baptized by fire (disambiguation); Green-striped darner - Green-striped Darner. These should obviously be merged. (Almost all pairs that don't include an acronym variant fall under this category.)
I'm going to start with trying to tackle these obvious merges. If anyone else is interested, feel free to grab a chunk.
There are also a lot of cases that seem like they're on the borderline of acceptability.
WP:DABCOMBINE says Terms that differ only in capitalization... should almost always share a disambiguation page
but If a combined disambiguation page would be inconveniently long, it may be better to split the disambiguation page into separate pages.
Does a pair like
Use/
USE, where both pages are short enough to not need section divisions, meet that criterion for splitting? What about
Wohl/
WOHL, where the former page is fairly long, but the latter has only two entries? Would be interested in people's thoughts on these sorts of judgement calls.
A pattern I see with a lot of these is synchronization issues. e.g. entries that get duplicated between Foo and FOO (some pairs like Core/ CORE seem to overlap deliberately), or an entry for a "FOO" entity is listed at Foo but not FOO ( Argus/ ARGUS has a few of these currently). Which makes me think these sorts of splits should be avoided except in extraordinary circumstances. Colin M ( talk) 22:02, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
if we have two separate dab pages, should they point to each other in their "see also" sections, or with hatnotes?: That's a great question. My default would be to use the "See also" section, because that's currently the approach that's most commonly used, but I don't have a strong opinion on the merits. I do agree that we need consistency on this though. Colin M ( talk) 16:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:SS (disambiguation)#Requested move 13 April 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 19:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Some of you may be interested in the RM at Talk:Ghost train (folklore)#Requested move 3 April 2022. One of the questions there is whether in deciding primary topics we should take into account all relevant entries on a dab page (possibly with different weighing) or restricts ourselves to only those where the respective article has the dab term in its title.
Another of the questions is where we should be getting usage data from. One of the participants believes that the best we have is the WP:Clickstream/Wikinav, which shows the number of clicks received by each link on the dab page (which is currently at the base title), while another has stated that this data is useless and instead argues for promoting the article to the primary topic and then comparing the pageviews that the article and the dab page will receive in the next couple of months. – Uanfala ( talk) 23:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi – an editor has recently set up the dab page Re:member, but both topics on the page are already listed at Remember (disambiguation), and reading WP:DABCOMBINE it seems like the new dab page is unnecessary. Am I right in thinking the correct thing to do is simply redirect the former dab page to the latter established page? Thanks. Richard3120 ( talk) 20:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The article MASN (disambiguation) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Is this page even necessary? I don't think so. Moving Anthropology Student Network was recently deleted and it's doubtful the Mission Area Sub Network is even notable enough to be worth mentioning, especially since it's not mentioned at all in the Link 22 article. This leaves the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network as the only one left, thus making this page pointless.
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
notice, but please explain why in your
edit summary or on
the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}}
will stop the
proposed deletion process, but other
deletion processes exist. In particular, the
speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and
articles for deletion allows discussion to reach
consensus for deletion.
100.7.36.213 (
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13:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Java (programming language)#Requested move 16 May 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Certes ( talk) 09:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
A user has requested that Cow parsnip (disambiguation) be renamed and moved to Cow parsnip. Interested users may wish to join the discussion at Talk:Cow parsnip (disambiguation)#Requested move 23 May 2022. Thank you. -- Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 06:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:C17#Requested move 6 May 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 何をしましたか? 那晚安啦。 08:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I just removed a number of WP:PTM and non-notable fancruft from Null, but I'm not sure about the items under the header " Science, technology, and mathematics".
– LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Please see a discussion I just started on the disambiguation page Talk:Rose (Doctor Who character).-- Cerebral726 ( talk) 13:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Medon needs a disambiguation page. The existing page is about mythology. Should it be transformed into a disambiguation page or is it better to start a new page ? -- Io Herodotus ( talk) 12:54, 29 May 2022 (UTC)-
Hi project.
Let me call your attention to a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Two-part place-dabs.
HandsomeFella ( talk) 21:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
IEC 60296 will be inhibited and uninhibited transformer oil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.98.76.25 ( talk) 12:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I'm not sure if this the correct place but I would like to advice about this discussion, about a proprosal of merging to disambiguation pages in Talk:Saint Lucia (disambiguation) MrKeefeJohn ( talk) 17:33, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm not part of this WikiProject, but I did create a disambiguation page for Glass onion (disambiguation) given there are three articles referring to that term. Since the upcoming and recently titled Glass Onion film is likely to become the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC later this year when it releases, I wanted to get a head start on this, and was wondering if any of these titles, ie Glass Onion (the Beatles song) and Glass onion (the bottles) should be renamed for disambiguation. The film article has 6,809 pageviews, and before the title was announced, the article had already amassed 109,862 pageviews. The Beatles song article has 6,121 pageviews, with a spike of 3,307 from yesterday because readers were looking for the newly titled film. The bottles article has 1,164 pageviews, which again had a spike yesterday, this time of 802. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 14:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Editors who maintain dabs may be interested in WP:VPPR#Defining a process for the discussion of making Vector 2022 the new default. In particular, dabs which use {{ TOC right}} will now show the table of contents bottom left, typically off the screen, e.g. /info/en/?search=Mercury?useskin=vector-2022. Certes ( talk) 13:29, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Special:Diff/1099386430, here I am trying to Add link of disambiguation page on a disambiguation page.
Now I am getting notification from Dab bot. Not sure how I can fix this. Please help. Venkat TL ( talk) 09:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Public school#Requested move 22 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 15:39, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
A few people might remember that I used to have a tool listing disambiguation pages sorted by size. Although it stopped working some time ago, I have now revived it at [5]. I originally intended it to find extremely long disambiguation pages; however, I have found that starting at the other end of the list (extremely short pages) turns up a lot of garbage and vandalism that might otherwise have gone unnoticed. I may, at some point, add an option to reverse the sorting order. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 18:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
WikiProject members may be interested in Wikipedia:Bot requests#Proposed automated test for G14. Certes ( talk) 02:54, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Russian constitution (disambiguation)#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 05:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Formosa (disambiguation)#Requested move 6 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 21:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#RFC on WP:NOTDIRECTORY and notability has opened, discussing a change to criteria for inclusion in lists, including dab entries. Certes ( talk) 09:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#RfC on change to MOS:DABMENTION has also opened, on a related topic. Certes ( talk) 10:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Two multi-page RfDs at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 24 may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. They concern redirects of the form "Title (Disambiguation)" with a capital D, where the target is or is not a dab respectively. Certes ( talk) 16:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a proposal to rename certain categories that contain tropical storm set index articles, at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 24#Tropical storm "disambiguation" categories, that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 17:22, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone want to sort this out. I doubt that the film is the PT here, so a dab probably belongs at the base name and redirects need adjusting. MB 21:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Would some members of this WikiProject mind taking a look at FC Barcelona (disambiguation)? It's not clear whether some recent edits to the page are appropriate. DAB pages typically don't require citations or "References" section per WP:DABREF and the "See also" section seems a bit odd as well since a DAB page is essentially one big "See also" page (at least it seems that way to me). I was going to try and clean things up myself, but wanted some feedback from others more familiar with DAB pages first. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
A discussion is underway regarding the disambiguation page for Spin, particularly about how to set up the introduction. To participate go here: Talk:Spin#Main use of the term "spin". Any input is appreciated. OvertAnalyzer ( talk) 00:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
There is no disambiguation for Nahida, there seems to be quite a few names that could be related to that. Could somebody create it? ReyHahn ( talk) 23:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Entries at the top should be "significantly more likely to be the reader's target" ( MOS:DABCOMMON). But these targets are often introduced with "[Title] most often (or most commonly) refers to...", which is not the same thing. Taking Spin, it's probably true that "spin" most often refers to rotation generally, or textile spinning, or propaganda, depending on the corpus--and those entries have been put on top. But WikiNav shows that readers are actually overwhelmingly looking for Spin (physics).
I think the phrase "most often/commonly refers to" is leading editors to misinterpret DABCOMMON in a way that leaves dabs less helpful than they would otherwise be. Should we encourage something like "Readers searching for [title] are most often looking for..." instead? — swpb T • go beyond • bad idea 15:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Saba#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 16:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I moved, expanded and added to South Eastern Freeway (disambiguation) because of problems on the Queensland freeway page with a redirect, then noticed a couple of US freeways popping up so added them to the list, and was about to create another redirect from this term, but found Southeast Freeway. I'm not sure how best to resolve these, with their various redirects, so thought I'd ask for further advice. Should they be combined, or each separate with See alsos, or...? (About to go out for a while but if anyone responds, please ping me and I'll do what needs to be done later.) Thanks. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 02:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Invisible Woman (disambiguation)#Requested move 1 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 15:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Has there been any discussion as to which of these is preferred? Looking at Category:20th-century English novelists and Category:20th-century English poets they are both in common use. I've just created Glyn Hughes (writer), although another editor had disambiguated him as Glyn Hughes (author) (the more important things being that I've created the Glyn Hughes dab page, and distinguished the footballer from the rugby union player, and fixed a misspelling in the name of a hospital commemorating the soldier ... all because another editor disambiguated the link in Ammon Wrigley which was on my watchlist!). Pam D 12:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
I am breaking my head about the templates Template:Culture of Macau and Template:Culture of China. Both have a link to a disambiguation page regarding their nation anthem. Both templates are not recently edited, nor are the involved links National anthem of Macau, National anthem of China (redirect)/ Anthem of China. So I have no clue where the warning on the maintenance list "Templates with disambiguation links is coming from. Leading me to fail to solve them. Anybody having an idea how to solve those links? The Banner talk 10:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
|histoverride=Old Foo
to link History to
Old Foo rather than
History of Foo. There are no override parameters for the symbols, probably because it would complicate the coding which determines whether to show the symbol section at all.
Certes (
talk)
23:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Besides articles, Wikipedia's article space contains many redirects and disambiguation pages. What if something falls in the cracks between these clearly distinguished categories?
An example is the page OTRK, which I started when I read that acronym in the news. I put the one explanation that I found in the article, with a link to a typical example. For me, as a news reader, that was basically what I would have hoped to find. I had some hope that someone more familiar with the subject could add some details, such as what the acronym abbreviates, and maybe why it is only used for Russian arms. That didn't happen, but I still felt it was helpful for other people reading the news these days.
Now, though, the page has been
WP:PRODed in accordance with WP's due process, because it's not an article. What others often do in cases like this would be to create, instead of such an explanatory redirect, a hard redirect. That is, however, an inferior solution, since it forces the choice to either – as many do – leave the redirection term out of the article, leaving the reader scratching her head why clicking on the term produces an article that doesn't even contain it, or artificially introduce the redirection term in the target article, and ideally even create a section for it, even though it may be outdated or uncommon. I recently had a
discussion on another wiki with someone who was even more unhappy about that asthan I am. We reached the conclusion that such pages more closely resemble disambiguation pages than redirects, just with the difference that the number of target articles is <2. Is there something for that here on the English Wikipedia? ◅
Sebastian
13:48, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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The disambiguation article Eisenhower (surname) is included in Category:Eisenhower family. However, the surname is almost certainly not exclusive to members of the Eisenhower family.
Should the page be removed from the category, or should it remain? Painting17 ( talk) 00:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
An editor has requested that Fucking be moved to Fucking (disambiguation). Please join the discussion at Talk:Fucking#Requested move 28 August 2021. Thank you. -- Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 00:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, it seems to me that Michael Lindsay, 2nd Baron Lindsay of Birker is at least as notable as the anime voice actor Michael Lindsay. Since Lord Lindsay used "Michael Lindsay" as a journalist and academic ( https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/article/abs/unknown-war-north-china-19371945-by-michael-lindsay-london-bergstrom-and-boyle-books-ltd-1975-112-pp-595/66CACFCAD9B326516610E5D06512D9AE), it seems to me that entering "Michael Lindsay" should go to disambiguation page /info/en/?search=Michael_Lindsay_(disambiguation) rather than to the actor. It made me assume today there was no page for the journalist before further research revealed the page with his aristocratic title (which he only inherited after he had written several works) Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 09:27, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I invite members of this WikiProject to participate at Talk:Gestalt#Whether to include certain entries. The issue is whether the entries identifiable from this edit should or should not be included on the DAB page. Narky Blert ( talk) 19:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
There has been confusion about the article Rebecca Brown (author). Again and again, people try to insert stuff about some doctor by the same name who has delusions about Satanic conspiracies and wrote a book about it. Once, the whole article was replaced. Should there be a red link in Rebecca Brown for the Satanism woman? A link to the dismbiguation page at the top of Rebecca Brown (author)? Both? I guess you people will know the best solution better than I would. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 07:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
There are currently two articles John Youngs and John E. Youngs that are, on the face of it, handled appropriately under WP:TWODABS with hatnotes.
But there are also several "John Young" (without the s) articles disambiguated at John Young. I know I'd confused the two in the past. I was considering creating a John Youngs (disambiguation) which, under a strict reading of WP:TWODABS would be unnecessary, but that I think would be worth adding to the "See also" in the John Young disambiguation page. (That dab page already has a fairly lengthy See also section, and adding both John Youngs and John E. Youngs would clutter.)
I'm thinking this is the type of thing where WP:IAR applies. I'd normally just be bold and do it, but since it's not a straightforward edit revert, thought I'd check in here. TJRC ( talk) 16:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Done. Please have a look and feel free to correct anything I missed. TJRC ( talk) 00:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
I have been recurrently confounded by DAB pages whose title is a personal name, yet do not link to the most notable people named that way. Rather, the reader is supposed to find these in the Foo (name) article, and whether they get there from the DAB page or not seems to be entirely left over to chance.
Is there any guideline on this? I'm currently struggling with Omar (disambiguation) (see my query on the talk page), but I'd like a more general reference for what to do in this kind of situation.
Thanks for your input, ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 17:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bapu#Requested move 2 October 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 15:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Can someone look at Ken Crawford as I am in a WP:3RR situation. Thanks Tassedethe ( talk) 21:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
In the list of possible articles, the Psyche that refers to Rohde's book has a link to the article above it in the list. I suspect there isn't an article on Rohde's book as such (it is not linked in the article on Rohde himself). But I could not see how to edit the link out. Ed Brandon ( talk) 17:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Logbook was a PT about a ship's logbook. There was a dab at Logbook (disambiguation). The ship article is now at Logbook (nautical). The dab has been extensively changed and looks more like a BCA now (but still has the same title). Logbook redirects to the ship article instead of being the BCA/dab. There is also Log book, a redirect to the dab (the edit history there is confusing me). I'm not sure if there is more involved than just this, but it certainly needs to get straightened out. MB 21:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I was think of running a bot task for creating DABNAME redirects. So far, I've created (semi-automatically) ~1000 redirects, checking ~5000 disambiguation pages. What are your thoughts? ― Qwerfjkl talk 20:14, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Clicking on the "Open Dabfix" or "Random Cleanup" buttons redirects to an unregistered and parked domain Bryan ( talk) 13:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Is it standard practice to use a disambiguation page in a list to substitute for listing the articles individually even when there are only two or three articles on the disamb page? For example in Lancaster (surname), the disamb redirect " Mark Lancaster (disambiguation), multiple people" is used to substitute the two articles, Mark Lancaster, Baron Lancaster of Kimbolton and Mark Lancaster (artist). This seems to me to be making it more difficult for the reader to find the articles they want for little gain. If a list article is becoming unwieldy, and/or if there are many articles on the disamb page, as in the case with List of people with surname Brown and the disamb pages Aaron Brown, Adam Brown, Alex Brown, etc, listed at List_of_people_with_surname_Brown#Disambiguation_pages, then using that system seems appropriate. But for disamb pages with less than five entries, I am unsure of the benefits.
If this matter has been previously discussed, and consensus is to include disamb pages of less than five articles in a list article, then fine - it's just that this is not an area I travel in frequently, and it looks a little unwieldy to me. I have notified Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists and Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy (as it seems to be mainly lists of people's names where this happens) of this discussion. SilkTork ( talk) 13:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
{{
excerpt|Melanie Bernier|only=list|hat=no}}
:{{
transclude list|Melanie Bernier}}
. That might clarify what is happening, at the expense of extra software, bureaucracy and complication.
Certes (
talk)
11:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)if incategory
so that nothing happens if it's tried on other types of page. (Fortunately, there's only one, very rare, subcategory, which never has a surname element:
Category:Temple name disambiguation pages.)The advantage to adding an unpiped link to the DAB page is twofold. (1) It helps readers and editors find variant spellings. (2) It tells editors to add a new entry to the DAB page, not just the surname page (which happens a lot, in both directions). Narky Blert ( talk) 12:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
Announcing WikiNav, a tool to filter and display Clickstream data. It shows a monthly analysis of destinations reached by clicking on links in a mainspace page, and of sources clicked on to reach that page. (Not my work.) Certes ( talk) 14:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a proposal floating around Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists#Index of Country-related articles that may be of interest to some members of this project. – Uanfala (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
I moved Southern League (baseball) to Southern League (1964–2020) because there are 2 baseball Southern Leagues. Southern League (baseball) would now need to be redirected to Southern League & redirects be re-targeted to Southern League (1964–2020), but it has 1777 linking articles. Is there an automated way to fix these, or can someone help with this? Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 17:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
OK, it appears "Southern League (baseball)" is being used for Southern Association well past 1919. The easiest way for me was to open both pages, Southern Association & South Atlantic League (1904–1963), in tabs & scroll to the list of teams & decide from that. Even then, some teams were in both leagues, but "Southern Association" also listed years for the teams. Much, much harder than expected. Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 13:32, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Belgian (disambiguation)#Requested move 25 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 17:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I started a move proposal at Talk: Turnaa that may be of interest. Leschnei ( talk) 19:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Do we have an effective boilerplate RfD rationale for getting rid of redirects like Daily Post (Disambiguation) which attempt to apply WP:DABNAME but miss the target? Certes ( talk) 21:39, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I was notified at talk:Fergie (singer) that a new local consensus is needed for a disambiguation hatnote. Is this correct? The target article clearly lists "Fergie" as an alternate name of the subject in the article lede. -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 18:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Siti was recently created and it contains a long list of people whose name begins with "Siti". In looking at a sampling of them, I haven't seen any that are normally referred to by just "Siti". Several have hatnotes saying there is no family name, they should be referred to by the given name "Siti something". Per WP:NAMELIST, only people who "are reasonably well known" as Siti should be listed. Comments? MB 04:18, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Should Arbinda attacks and Ouagadougou attack be dabs or SIAs? Their main use is in Template:Burkina Faso attacks. Certes ( talk) 00:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
There was a time when I could fix this disambiguation page myself. Please would a member of this project care to fix it? The issue arises in the article RNLB Mary Stanford (ON 733), when it relates the notable Daunt Lightship rescue. The Innisfallen (ship) was the passenger ferry from Cork to Fishguard, she interrupted her voyage to see if she could help. She "stood by". The problem is in RNLB Mary Stanford (ON 733) which reads:
The wikilink for Innisfallen gives the abbey Innisfallen when it should give the ship. Even though there is a disambiguation. Thanks Lugnad ( talk) 19:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, |
Infinity (disambiguation) has collected a large amount of material. I'd like some kind of advice on whether it's OK as-is, whether some material should be split out (like the music/songs), or whether some material doesn't belong here.
There's a lot here, because not only is infinity highly ambiguous in mathematics, Infinity (philosophy) contains a similar number of distinct ideas, and the name is highly popular for companies, songs, etc.
CRGreathouse ( t | c) 21:46, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I was surprised to find that King Charles isn't a list of monarchs named King Charles. It's just a list of disambiguation pages, each of which is a list of dukes, counts, and other non-kings, with a few kings also included. Often the kings aren't identified as such, for example one of the entries at Charles II is "Charles II of Sweden or Charles VIII of Sweden (1409–1470)", and we have to click through to the target page to discover that he was a king. The result is that if you're looking for a particular King Charles, and you know the country but not his number, the King Charles page isn't much help. GA-RT-22 ( talk) 15:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
I have started a discussion to talk about what the "See also" sections of various pages should contain. Please visit this section to participate in the discussion. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 22:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion criterion WP:G14 ("Unnecessary disambiguation pages") applies to:
- Disambiguation pages that have titles ending in "(disambiguation)" but disambiguate only one extant Wikipedia page.
- Regardless of title, disambiguation pages that disambiguate zero extant Wikipedia pages.
- A redirect that ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not redirect to a disambiguation page or a page that performs a disambiguation-like function.
I've sometimes kept an eye on the pages that get tagged for G14 deletion, and if I recall correctly, virtually all of the ones I've seen fall into two categories:
Is my experience representative? If it is, then maybe we need to amend the guidelines so that valid dab pages don't get deleted any more (#2 above), but the usual clean-up is still possible (#1). How about dropping the list of the specific criteria for page title and number of links (evidently, people don't read them), and instead having something simpler, like some carefully thought out variation on "Disambiguation pages that are no longer necessary"? – Uanfala (talk) 12:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Right now there are two articles for Japanese biologists named Hiroshi Inoue: Hiroshi Inoue (entomologist) and Hiroshi Inoue (which Hiroshi Inoue (bryologist) redirects to). It seems to me that neither is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so the article about the bryologist should move to the disambiguated page leaving Hiroshi Inoue to be the disambiguation page. Neither page has many views, they're both stubs with around one page-view per day on average. I was thinking about being WP:BOLD and doing it myself, but the existence of a redirect at Hiroshi Inoue (bryologist) complicates things, I believe. I've had to fix a few links to the bryologist which should have been to the entomologist, so making the bare name a disambiguation page would have that helpful popup come up letting editors know that multiple articles for people with that name exist. Hopefully this is the right place to ask if my idea makes sense, if not I appreciate a pointer to the right venue for discussion! Umimmak ( talk) 10:12, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Hiroshi Inoue now is a {{ hndis}} linking to Hiroshi Inoue (entomologist) and Hiroshi Inoue (bryologist). The one possibly remaining issue is the presence of Category:Taxa named by Hiroshi Inoue. This is used for taxa named by the entomologist, and there does not yet seem to be a corresponding category for the bryologist (although he also named taxa with articles on Wikipedia). But I'm thinking that this doesn't need to be fixed quite yet since there's only one category. Umimmak ( talk) 21:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ice age (disambiguation)#Requested move 9 February 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 21:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
I've searched the archives about this one, and looked for a MOS page for a rule, but cannot find anything specific. There seem to be differing schools of thought about whether to list (not a real example) all Joe Bloggses underneath Joe Bloggs (disambiguation) on the Bloggs (surname) page. I can see an argument for both, but I usually remove the duplicate listing because someone said so in a discussion somewhere ages ago, and it does make some sense to keep the authoritative complete list in one place. However one editor did point out that it's much easier to find, e.g. J. Bloggs, or Dr Bloggs or Rev. Bloggs, on the surname page when they are all listed in the same place. Then you get pages like Wade (surname) where some of the DAB pages (e.g. for Michael Wade) are not even mentioned. I'm not about to go changing a whole lot of entries now, but was just wondering if there is an actual rule on this, or whether it's just one of those things that differ on different pages, based on length or other criteria? (Although I do think that in the Wade case, it should at least be consistent within one article. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 08:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Most commonly, a new policy or guideline documents existing practices, rather than proposing a change to what experienced editors already choose to do.— Bagumba ( talk) 04:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I've imprudently gone well beyond 3R here. There might actually be something to disambiguate in the topics being added though on the face of it look like nothing more than partial title matches; however, discussion involves being on the receiving end of walls of text from editor with a definite POV, which given current events might even be part of some sort of misinformation about the extent of what is Russia. older ≠ wiser 22:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
A while back, I came upon {{ Nicholas}} and did some work on it. It inspired me to create {{ Anthony}}, {{ Charles}} and {{ Anastasia (name)}}. None of these templates have categories. Can people help me categorize these and help me see if there are other similar templates out there.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
After a recent move Ice Age was made a dab page. There are still a few hundred links to it. A lot of them refer to "the Ice Age", which I think should link to Last Glacial Period, but it could be that it doesn't apply to all cases. Any help or suggestions would be welcome. For more info, see Talk:Ice_Age#Update_all_Ice_Age_links_to_Last_Glacial_Period. Thanks. Vpab15 ( talk) 18:59, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I just came across Haydar, which is tagged as a given name page, but I am finding several things confusing there, namely: it includes surnames; it includes places; it includes lists in sections which also have their own name articles (e.g. Haider); and both Haydar (disambiguation) and Haidar (disambiguation) link to the page. Does this need a bit of a cleanup and rearranging? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 08:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
We have a new dab, which might work better at a BCA. Please comment at Talk:Hero City. Certes ( talk) 14:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I've just got a DAB notification about the Northern Argus link in Pulteney Street, Adelaide. Am I going bonkers, or can someone explain why it seems to be linking to "Northern Argus" (the DAB page), when the link in publisher is actually "The Northern Argus"? I can of course just remove it, but it just seems weird. Is the template dropping the "the"? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 06:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Cologne Centurions (disambiguation)#Requested move 3 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 03:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Conjuration (disambiguation)#Requested move 12 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 01:07, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
I am not sure this is the right spot, please correct me when this is the wrong place.
I am looking for a list of articles with a disambiguation but without the corresponding disambiguation page. The intention is to (try to) solve them. Either by writing the disambiguation page, adding items to the disambiguation page, redirecting to the correct disambiguation page etc. I prefer an added "ignore list" for those cases that are insolvable.
This is clearly a job for a bot.
I know that the list will be shockingly long, but that is the challenge of it all.
I have something in mind as nl:Wikipedia:Onderhoud/haakjes/GeenArtikelZonderHaakjes1 and nl:Wikipedia:Onderhoud/haakjes/negeerlijst (the ignore list, providing skips for the bot). That page is updated regularly, on the 1st, 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th and 25th of each month. (A higher pace is not necessary)
I am not sure if such a list exists without me finding it or that it has to be created. The Banner talk 11:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure there's much to "solve" there. If an article is titled "Foo (bar)" and there is no dab page at "Foo", this may entail several situations:
So, I don't believe a database report of the type described here is on its own going to encourage editor activity that is going to be helpful. However, it can certainly be used as an ingredient in more complex queries to yield reports indicative of real problems (say, primary redirects without hatnotes). – Uanfala (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:7th Hussars (disambiguation)#Requested move 6 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 16:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Carleen (given name) is a page name that indicates the content should only be WP:APO content. However, it has long had WP:DAB content. Today, I expanded the APO content and attempeted to create a Carleen (disambiguation) page. However, I am realizing that the content is very sparse. In the dab, both places have no content on a Carleen page, but rather have minimal content in small parts of other articles. Does this dab page warrant existence? After the place in Wales became a redirect in 2009 and Carleen was moved to Carleen (given name) in 2011, the disambiguation purpose was lost if you ask me.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I have been running across quite a few name pages where {{ hndis}} has also been added - Conrado is one example. The reasoning behind this (I think) is that the name is also a mononym. My question is - if a page contains only people, and some of the article titles listed are monomyms, does it necessarily become a disambiguation page, or can it remain a name page? (@ Ortizesp: - I'm not objecting to your edit, just seeking information). I'm thinking particularly of the formatting differences; some name pages could require quite a bit of editing to follow DAB guidelines, Carlos Jorge would be a better example of that. Leschnei ( talk) 12:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Aioun#Requested move 21 March 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 06:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
I, personally, tend to write all words as close to the original as possible,
In this sense/attitude I have suggested a change on:
Talk:Schmendrick.
Steue (
talk)
10:57, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I did some digging and found there are almost 500 pairs of disambiguation pages which differ by case. I've listed them all at User:Colin M/Disambiguation pages differing by case.
A lot of these look obviously problematic (perhaps the result of editors working on different case-variant titles without realizing the other page exists). e.g. Dream hunter - Dream Hunter; Scid - SCID; Baptized By Fire - Baptized by fire (disambiguation); Green-striped darner - Green-striped Darner. These should obviously be merged. (Almost all pairs that don't include an acronym variant fall under this category.)
I'm going to start with trying to tackle these obvious merges. If anyone else is interested, feel free to grab a chunk.
There are also a lot of cases that seem like they're on the borderline of acceptability.
WP:DABCOMBINE says Terms that differ only in capitalization... should almost always share a disambiguation page
but If a combined disambiguation page would be inconveniently long, it may be better to split the disambiguation page into separate pages.
Does a pair like
Use/
USE, where both pages are short enough to not need section divisions, meet that criterion for splitting? What about
Wohl/
WOHL, where the former page is fairly long, but the latter has only two entries? Would be interested in people's thoughts on these sorts of judgement calls.
A pattern I see with a lot of these is synchronization issues. e.g. entries that get duplicated between Foo and FOO (some pairs like Core/ CORE seem to overlap deliberately), or an entry for a "FOO" entity is listed at Foo but not FOO ( Argus/ ARGUS has a few of these currently). Which makes me think these sorts of splits should be avoided except in extraordinary circumstances. Colin M ( talk) 22:02, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
if we have two separate dab pages, should they point to each other in their "see also" sections, or with hatnotes?: That's a great question. My default would be to use the "See also" section, because that's currently the approach that's most commonly used, but I don't have a strong opinion on the merits. I do agree that we need consistency on this though. Colin M ( talk) 16:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:SS (disambiguation)#Requested move 13 April 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 19:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Some of you may be interested in the RM at Talk:Ghost train (folklore)#Requested move 3 April 2022. One of the questions there is whether in deciding primary topics we should take into account all relevant entries on a dab page (possibly with different weighing) or restricts ourselves to only those where the respective article has the dab term in its title.
Another of the questions is where we should be getting usage data from. One of the participants believes that the best we have is the WP:Clickstream/Wikinav, which shows the number of clicks received by each link on the dab page (which is currently at the base title), while another has stated that this data is useless and instead argues for promoting the article to the primary topic and then comparing the pageviews that the article and the dab page will receive in the next couple of months. – Uanfala ( talk) 23:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi – an editor has recently set up the dab page Re:member, but both topics on the page are already listed at Remember (disambiguation), and reading WP:DABCOMBINE it seems like the new dab page is unnecessary. Am I right in thinking the correct thing to do is simply redirect the former dab page to the latter established page? Thanks. Richard3120 ( talk) 20:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)and turns it into something like
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{ cite web}}, {{ cite journal}} and {{ doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The article MASN (disambiguation) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Is this page even necessary? I don't think so. Moving Anthropology Student Network was recently deleted and it's doubtful the Mission Area Sub Network is even notable enough to be worth mentioning, especially since it's not mentioned at all in the Link 22 article. This leaves the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network as the only one left, thus making this page pointless.
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13:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Java (programming language)#Requested move 16 May 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Certes ( talk) 09:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
A user has requested that Cow parsnip (disambiguation) be renamed and moved to Cow parsnip. Interested users may wish to join the discussion at Talk:Cow parsnip (disambiguation)#Requested move 23 May 2022. Thank you. -- Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 06:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:C17#Requested move 6 May 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 何をしましたか? 那晚安啦。 08:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I just removed a number of WP:PTM and non-notable fancruft from Null, but I'm not sure about the items under the header " Science, technology, and mathematics".
– LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Please see a discussion I just started on the disambiguation page Talk:Rose (Doctor Who character).-- Cerebral726 ( talk) 13:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Medon needs a disambiguation page. The existing page is about mythology. Should it be transformed into a disambiguation page or is it better to start a new page ? -- Io Herodotus ( talk) 12:54, 29 May 2022 (UTC)-
Hi project.
Let me call your attention to a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Two-part place-dabs.
HandsomeFella ( talk) 21:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
IEC 60296 will be inhibited and uninhibited transformer oil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.98.76.25 ( talk) 12:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I'm not sure if this the correct place but I would like to advice about this discussion, about a proprosal of merging to disambiguation pages in Talk:Saint Lucia (disambiguation) MrKeefeJohn ( talk) 17:33, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm not part of this WikiProject, but I did create a disambiguation page for Glass onion (disambiguation) given there are three articles referring to that term. Since the upcoming and recently titled Glass Onion film is likely to become the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC later this year when it releases, I wanted to get a head start on this, and was wondering if any of these titles, ie Glass Onion (the Beatles song) and Glass onion (the bottles) should be renamed for disambiguation. The film article has 6,809 pageviews, and before the title was announced, the article had already amassed 109,862 pageviews. The Beatles song article has 6,121 pageviews, with a spike of 3,307 from yesterday because readers were looking for the newly titled film. The bottles article has 1,164 pageviews, which again had a spike yesterday, this time of 802. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 14:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Editors who maintain dabs may be interested in WP:VPPR#Defining a process for the discussion of making Vector 2022 the new default. In particular, dabs which use {{ TOC right}} will now show the table of contents bottom left, typically off the screen, e.g. /info/en/?search=Mercury?useskin=vector-2022. Certes ( talk) 13:29, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Special:Diff/1099386430, here I am trying to Add link of disambiguation page on a disambiguation page.
Now I am getting notification from Dab bot. Not sure how I can fix this. Please help. Venkat TL ( talk) 09:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Public school#Requested move 22 July 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 15:39, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
A few people might remember that I used to have a tool listing disambiguation pages sorted by size. Although it stopped working some time ago, I have now revived it at [5]. I originally intended it to find extremely long disambiguation pages; however, I have found that starting at the other end of the list (extremely short pages) turns up a lot of garbage and vandalism that might otherwise have gone unnoticed. I may, at some point, add an option to reverse the sorting order. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 18:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
WikiProject members may be interested in Wikipedia:Bot requests#Proposed automated test for G14. Certes ( talk) 02:54, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Russian constitution (disambiguation)#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 05:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Formosa (disambiguation)#Requested move 6 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vpab15 ( talk) 21:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#RFC on WP:NOTDIRECTORY and notability has opened, discussing a change to criteria for inclusion in lists, including dab entries. Certes ( talk) 09:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#RfC on change to MOS:DABMENTION has also opened, on a related topic. Certes ( talk) 10:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Two multi-page RfDs at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 24 may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. They concern redirects of the form "Title (Disambiguation)" with a capital D, where the target is or is not a dab respectively. Certes ( talk) 16:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a proposal to rename certain categories that contain tropical storm set index articles, at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 24#Tropical storm "disambiguation" categories, that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 17:22, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone want to sort this out. I doubt that the film is the PT here, so a dab probably belongs at the base name and redirects need adjusting. MB 21:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Would some members of this WikiProject mind taking a look at FC Barcelona (disambiguation)? It's not clear whether some recent edits to the page are appropriate. DAB pages typically don't require citations or "References" section per WP:DABREF and the "See also" section seems a bit odd as well since a DAB page is essentially one big "See also" page (at least it seems that way to me). I was going to try and clean things up myself, but wanted some feedback from others more familiar with DAB pages first. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
A discussion is underway regarding the disambiguation page for Spin, particularly about how to set up the introduction. To participate go here: Talk:Spin#Main use of the term "spin". Any input is appreciated. OvertAnalyzer ( talk) 00:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
There is no disambiguation for Nahida, there seems to be quite a few names that could be related to that. Could somebody create it? ReyHahn ( talk) 23:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Entries at the top should be "significantly more likely to be the reader's target" ( MOS:DABCOMMON). But these targets are often introduced with "[Title] most often (or most commonly) refers to...", which is not the same thing. Taking Spin, it's probably true that "spin" most often refers to rotation generally, or textile spinning, or propaganda, depending on the corpus--and those entries have been put on top. But WikiNav shows that readers are actually overwhelmingly looking for Spin (physics).
I think the phrase "most often/commonly refers to" is leading editors to misinterpret DABCOMMON in a way that leaves dabs less helpful than they would otherwise be. Should we encourage something like "Readers searching for [title] are most often looking for..." instead? — swpb T • go beyond • bad idea 15:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Saba#Requested move 8 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 16:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I moved, expanded and added to South Eastern Freeway (disambiguation) because of problems on the Queensland freeway page with a redirect, then noticed a couple of US freeways popping up so added them to the list, and was about to create another redirect from this term, but found Southeast Freeway. I'm not sure how best to resolve these, with their various redirects, so thought I'd ask for further advice. Should they be combined, or each separate with See alsos, or...? (About to go out for a while but if anyone responds, please ping me and I'll do what needs to be done later.) Thanks. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 02:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Invisible Woman (disambiguation)#Requested move 1 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 15:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Has there been any discussion as to which of these is preferred? Looking at Category:20th-century English novelists and Category:20th-century English poets they are both in common use. I've just created Glyn Hughes (writer), although another editor had disambiguated him as Glyn Hughes (author) (the more important things being that I've created the Glyn Hughes dab page, and distinguished the footballer from the rugby union player, and fixed a misspelling in the name of a hospital commemorating the soldier ... all because another editor disambiguated the link in Ammon Wrigley which was on my watchlist!). Pam D 12:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
I am breaking my head about the templates Template:Culture of Macau and Template:Culture of China. Both have a link to a disambiguation page regarding their nation anthem. Both templates are not recently edited, nor are the involved links National anthem of Macau, National anthem of China (redirect)/ Anthem of China. So I have no clue where the warning on the maintenance list "Templates with disambiguation links is coming from. Leading me to fail to solve them. Anybody having an idea how to solve those links? The Banner talk 10:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
|histoverride=Old Foo
to link History to
Old Foo rather than
History of Foo. There are no override parameters for the symbols, probably because it would complicate the coding which determines whether to show the symbol section at all.
Certes (
talk)
23:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Besides articles, Wikipedia's article space contains many redirects and disambiguation pages. What if something falls in the cracks between these clearly distinguished categories?
An example is the page OTRK, which I started when I read that acronym in the news. I put the one explanation that I found in the article, with a link to a typical example. For me, as a news reader, that was basically what I would have hoped to find. I had some hope that someone more familiar with the subject could add some details, such as what the acronym abbreviates, and maybe why it is only used for Russian arms. That didn't happen, but I still felt it was helpful for other people reading the news these days.
Now, though, the page has been
WP:PRODed in accordance with WP's due process, because it's not an article. What others often do in cases like this would be to create, instead of such an explanatory redirect, a hard redirect. That is, however, an inferior solution, since it forces the choice to either – as many do – leave the redirection term out of the article, leaving the reader scratching her head why clicking on the term produces an article that doesn't even contain it, or artificially introduce the redirection term in the target article, and ideally even create a section for it, even though it may be outdated or uncommon. I recently had a
discussion on another wiki with someone who was even more unhappy about that asthan I am. We reached the conclusion that such pages more closely resemble disambiguation pages than redirects, just with the difference that the number of target articles is <2. Is there something for that here on the English Wikipedia? ◅
Sebastian
13:48, 26 September 2022 (UTC)