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Right, last time I brought this up, there was little objection to my proposals. I've made a few tweaks following the discussion then, and unless there are strong objections, I'd like to start rolling out the newer, shorter infoboxes, as can be seen here:
I toyed with removing the FC / T20 (for Gregory) and Test (for Craig Kieswetter) columns, but on reflection I feel that actually it's quite a nice balance with the empty columns. Please let me know if you have any problems with this, otherwise I will start converting infoboxes in the next few days. Regards, Harrias talk 19:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
I like it, but on the Cameron White infobox the 'Domestic stats' section also includes the international stats, so maybe 'overall statistics' would be a better heading? Mr.Apples2010 ( talk) 20:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
A huge improvement! In regard to the infobox in general, we should focus on providing information of encyclopedic merit and in the main we should provide this in the form of prose. A wiki is not the place to develop a statistical compendium, even if the scope of Wikipedia allowed us to do so. In my (very humble) opinion, we are much better off focusing on a small set of core stats for each player, (matches played, runs scored, wickets taken) and link to CA or CI for more detail. We should leave compiling and listing stats to the websites that do it much better than we ever could. Given the ability to link to other sites, I see no reason to keep an extended version of the infobox for past players. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 00:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
On another matter, are we going to get a bot to again update the players' stats? Because many do not get updated anymore since the bot died. Aaroncrick TALK 22:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Thoughts please.
— User:MDCollins ( talk) 15:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
There was, well remembered: The Big Match. The fact that this creator thinks it is Test cricket seems to point to it being very nn to me.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 15:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I would be surprised if it was notable as per wp:sources. Shall I prod it?— User:MDCollins ( talk) 22:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Looking further, I hadn't realised that the 5 "Big Matches" listed in the article have their own articles - incidentally none of which mention the words "Big Match". Royal-Thomian looks notable, but some of the others are pretty poor.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 08:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Recently a lot of templates were fully-protected en masse. I've downgraded {{ Infobox cricketer}} to semi-protection as a majority of those who edit that particular one are not admins. If there are other WP:CRIC templates that should be downgraded to semi, please list them here and I'll change those too. cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 15:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Category:Guyanese cricketers be Category:Guyana cricketers given the description of the category? -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
There may be a case for two, like Barbados. Why stop there... Have a look at all these which need proposing at CfD. If anyone has more time than me atm feel free to do something with it!— User:MDCollins ( talk) 23:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Will need an infobox, future England player? 65.96.195.105 ( talk) 21:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
As a long suffering South Australian cricket fan, I was shocked enough to find that we had qualified for the Champions League, let alone actually beating other teams in the League, with Shaun Tait taking wickets and Callum Ferguson scoring runs. I haven't seen any of the games but was wondering if we're playing well and I can look forward to a season with South Australia not at the bottom of the ladder, or if I shouldn't get too ahead of myself. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
There are major problems with the links. These refer to 'the last recorded match.' It means the last match recorded by criinfo or ca. Thus the County Ground at Stoke evidently saw no matches after 1968. Cricket was still being played there ten years ago. I have had a quick look at some of the Staffs grounds and altered a few. Also some of the 'defunct' grounds are still in use at a higher or lesser level eg: Uttoxetter(Bamford's Ground) Reference should be made here to the books on cricket grounds for each county produced by the ACS. These have chapter and verse on openings and closings. Also. The Minor Counties grounds are listed but NOT the fc counties Second XI and Minor Counties grounds. That may be just incomplete I don't know. KestevenBullet ( talk) 16:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
"A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information, and it should be capable of expansion."
Also, seeing as we don't do articles per WP:CRIC on solely minor counties cricketers, the same is done for the grounds. They have to have held first-class, list-A, twenty20 or a womens international to have been notable. Likewise Havant Park isn't notable just because it has held a Second XI fixture, as these fixtures are not notable, seeing as John Smith who played a single Second XI fixture in 1907 for Blahshire fails WP:CRIC. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 22:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
While updated the tables for the conclusion of this year's County Championship, I stumbled across this template which works wonderfully well for seasons prior to 2010, for example here, but less so for this year's table due to the changes in points gained for wins and draws. Looking at the history of the template, I guess AMBerry is the creator, but he has not been around for 6 months or so, so I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to edit the template to incorporate the 2010 changes, without messing up all previous seasons. Many thanks, Schumi 555 18:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that U. Chandana is none other than Upul Chandana himself. Upul is from Galle, he was playing for Tamil Union in 95/96 season and has played against Galle CC on 22 March 1996, one week after the Lahore final. U. Chandana appears for Galle CC one month later on 19 April, incidentally against Tamil Union. Perhaps Upul might have decided to join the club from his hometown. Changing one's club thrice a season is not a novelty for a SL cricketer. Bowling styles of the two are contradictory though, it says U. Chandana bowled Right arm offbreak, while we know Upul Chandana is one of the best legbreak bowlers Sri Lanka had in the mid 90s. Bit of a mystery to me.-- Chanaka L ( talk) 03:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hasn't done anything yet. YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 02:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Found this article while doing new page patrol. I don't know squat about cricket or cricketers so can somebody here give this stub enough content to avoid deletion? A source or 2 would help as well. -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 04:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I suspect, but do not know for certain, that Fletcher, who played four times for Oxford University and once for Somerset in 1939, was the son of Sir Frank Fletcher, headmaster of Marlborough and Charterhouse and allegedly the first man to be knighted for services to education. Does anyone have access to the Dictionary of National Biography where there is apparently an entry for Frank Fletcher (1870-1954) that might just confirm (or deny) this? Thanks. Johnlp ( talk) 23:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Need lots of watchlisting, disgruntled fans are always there. YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 08:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Coming along -- S.G.(GH) ping! 17:37, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. User:Dalgspleh moved this article from Digvijay (Kerala cricketer) to the undisambiguated form - where there may be other cricketers with this surname in existence. At the calculated risk of being seen as wheel-warring an article I created myself, could someone please give this a look and act as they feel necessary? As I say, I don't feel comfortable doing so myself. Thank you. Bobo . 20:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I've been asked at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sid Barnes with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948/archive1 whether it is necessary to retain the date the infobox stats were retrieved given that the "as of" factor is irrelevant for dead/retired players. I see other dead/retired players have the date of retrieval even though there is no question of the "as of" being a factor YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 07:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention the latest ruling on which matches are Tests or first class status, and the 197-199 debate. S.G.(GH) ping! 13:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking through the oldest Featured portals to see which have been kept up to modern standards for featured portals and which need attention. I'm afraid that the cricket portal is one of the latter, but it should be relatively straightforward to bring it back up to speed. I've left a note on Portal talk:Cricket with my comments/suggestions, and I hope that these matters can be resolved without the need for a featured portal review. Regards, Bencherlite Talk 18:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Thought I'd create a new one to allow the older one to archive, and drop it down the conversation a bit!
Harrias
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Just spotted Windsor Cricket Club, and it's related AfD which resulted in "Keep" basically because the nomination was a weak one. It does appear that the club fails CRIN, and is basically unreferenced. As the nom ( User:StAnselm pointed out during the AfD, attention solely from local media (the sole argument) does not satisfy WP:ORG, therefore shouldn't pass WP:N too. Is it worth renominating? — User:MDCollins ( talk) 23:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Has played only Minor counties cricket, so non-notable. Put for discussion at AfD. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The former Derbyshire Captain's death has been reported on Cricinfo. 121.213.28.62 ( talk) 12:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Gee, for two Aus-Ind Tests in a row, a lot of batsmen want to waste a flat pitch YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Do all test matches use this system now, or can teams opt in or out of it? I'm sure the match that finished today (India vs Australia) has not used the referral system. Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 09:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Wrote up this guide on how to make teh batting graphs. Thought I should do it, in case I cark it. Good thing I got it off Raven4x4x when he was still active. Can it be stuck on the project page or toolbox somewhere. Unforunately, can't upload xls files on wiki or commons, so if anyone wants the template sample, I'll email it around, and hopefully it spreads around unlike many bot owners who quit and the bot dies :( YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 02:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
There are too many good articles being bombarded with spurious - Citation Needed - tags. Established facts do not need them. If they did practically every word would require it. eg: Jack Hobbs is called Jack Hobbs. However it is not necessary to say Jack Hobbs was elected to ICC Hall of Fame. It itations are needed for disputable facts.could be removed if untrue. KestevenBullet ( talk) 09:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Once again, Kesteven Bullet completely misses the point. The cn tag is used as a reminder not only to the community at large but to the editor himself that a citation is needed to verify the statement in question. It is not a case of overuse, but of encouraging development and eventual completion of the article. I notice that he has once again used for his example an article that I am working on (coincidence?). Perhaps he should follow previous advice and "put up or shut up". Putting up means taking responsibility for an article himself and developing it, but despite all his "noises off", we have never seen any work of his which is worth a mention.
While I respect JP's view, I don't agree that an article is an eyesore because it has a lot of cn tags: it is an eyesore if it is nowhere near complete, it is unstructured and it contains material that is highly questionable. ---- Jack | talk page 08:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
The articles about the newest Test cricketers— Peter George (cricketer) and Cheteshwar Pujara—both need a lot of work ... -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
All done! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 18:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
As part of the review process at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Ian Botham/archive1 , a question has been raised regarding the format of these lists, and more pertinently, the fact they include Economy, but not Bowling average or Maidens. Between Struway2, The Rambling Man and myself, we've failed to reach any real consensus. I would invite comment from those here on the opinions offered there. Harrias talk 11:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Can some others please keep an eye on this article. The subject will be in the news for the next few days and may attract a bit of drive-by editing. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 09:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
The good old Cricinfo and CricketArchive differences! Today's test subject is Andrew Collins. According to CricketArchive he died on 25 December 1999. But according to Cricinfo he is still alive. I have search through Wisden and found no obituary for him. I've searched media sources (which being a fairly minor cricketer he would struggle to get in) and some death registers, but have found nothing. I know some of you guys have better research tools which can get better results; so the question is: Is he dead or alive??? AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of amending many of these in respect of the 'first' and 'last' recorded match. The trouble is, some ARE correct but others merely take the first match recorded on CA. This only records important matches and those from certain leagues where the info has been supplied. In some entries the ground is reported as being still in use fifty years after the last so called recorded match. I have removed most of these errors. However the framework of the article is good and I accept a lot of hard work went into creating it. All the accurate info regarding first-last match can be found in the ACS series of Cricket Grounds of..... It is not a subject to tackle without a lot of sources because the history of grounds is positively byzantine in complexity. KestevenBullet ( talk) 07:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
You miss the point. The ground is still functioning or it isn't. In which case the last f-c or List A match was hardly the last recorded match was it. I mean they didn't run bulldozers over the minute the county men left the pitch. For example. Staffs played at Knypersley in July but Knypersley played at least twenty games there since then. Also the first match on some grounds is listed as the first match noted in CA. In some cases the first match was over fifty years before. F-c games(with rare exceptions)are hardly the first fixture played on a club ground. At Knypersley the club have played there 100 years. What bthe first match was is listed somewhere in the local press archives. Any organised match is the first match on a ground. The last match(If it is not still in use) would have been the very last match played on the field not the last recorded by CA which does not cover much in the way of league cricket. It is a little daft to say you simply choose the first match listed in CA or Cricinfo because it is easier. What is the point of producing accurate records and information when we can buy a kids encyclopaedia because it is easier - if you take my point. KestevenBullet ( talk) 09:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
The alignment in some of this seems to have gone a bit awry, with the left-hand column of "headings" now centred rather than ranged left, and where the infobox has only one form of cricket played, that form of cricket is out in the middle of the box, with the stats that relate to it awkwardly ranged left underneath. I don't remember it being like this a few days ago. I'm far too timid to attempt to rectify this myself. Johnlp ( talk) 19:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure this discussion has been had before but I still question the use of Southern Redbacks to represent the team that represents South Australia. At times, "Redbacks" has been used as a nickname for the side but I noticed at the recent Champions Trophy that while Victoria were called the Bushrangers, SA were called South Australia. And in the (admittedly unlikely) situation that the ghosts of George Giffen, Clem Hill, Don Bradman, Vic Richardson, Clarrie Grimmett and Neil Hawke et al. decide to look up their Wikipedia articles, they are going to scratch their heads wondering what this Southern Redbacks creature is.
Summing up the previous paragraph, can't we just rename it South Australian cricket side or similar? -- Roisterer ( talk) 06:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Are the Australian teams known by their nicknames in all forms of the game or just the one-day stuff? Personally I would prefer the traditional names, but if they are known as the Redbacks whenever they play then I don't see a problem with the current title. Mr.Apples2010 ( talk) 12:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Does cricket archive/cricinfo or similar give a list for all players from a particular side (such as for List of Victoria first-class cricketers) or would you have to compile such a list manually? -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Shaggy has finally retired today. His article needs some expansion to cover his notable county career. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no Outline of cricket.
To create one, click on the redlink above and add this line:
{{subst:BLT|cricket|Cricket}}
Then press save and start adding relevant subheadings and links.
For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see Portal:Contents/Outlines.
For a relevant discussion see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/archive 40#What do you think about making an Outline of Birds?
Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.
The Transhumanist 19:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Well I made a shell of one and summed up my feelings on it with my edit summary: '?' off to work now so feel free to tinker(/delete) S.G.(GH) ping! 15:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Started the article for Rangoon Gymkhana cricket team who played a single first-class match in the 1926/27 season against MCC. Thus far it constitutes 3 sentences!!! I'm trying to expand it, but having no luck finding any sources!!! Feel free to expand what remains Burma's only first-class domestic team. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
As you are probably aware, we have a collection of four spin bowling animations. I nominated the first of these (as a test case) to Valued picture, where it currently has one support other than myself. However, I found myself wondering something. This image is, without a doubt, correct as an off break delivery from a right-arm bowling coming over the wicket. However, surely it would also be correct for a left-arm unorthodox (chinaman) delivery from around the wicket? But basically, I've fuddled my brain thinking about it all, so would like someone else to confirm / tell me I'm talking rubbish! Harrias talk 20:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Further to the Australian team names/article nicknames debate above, I have just found Diamond Eagles in South Africa. As far as I can work out, this team has been rebranded as "Chevrolet Knights", what seems to be it's third name in recent times. (There is no mention of this in the article yet). I was thinking about moving the article to the new name, but it just seems silly really. Would it not be better back at "Eagles cricket team", with redirects from the sponsored names? I imagine some of the other teams suffer from this too.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 09:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
...I think this is the first time they've been called Knights. Previously they have always been "<sponsor> Eagles".— User:MDCollins ( talk) 23:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
May cause a flurry of edits YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 01:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, just looking over a few pages, specifically the International cricket tours of XYZ. Should these be tours where XYZ is the (nominal) home country, or where XYZ are the (nominal) away country? Or both? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.83.97 ( talk) 06:38, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just expanded the article on Bosanquet, the googly inventor. It left me wondering, does anyone still call a googly a "bosie" anymore? And for the more historically minded, what would the line of succession be for googly bowlers? What about Bosanquet, Schwarz, Faulkner, Vogler, White, Carr, Horden ... ? (And if anyone has a ref for that, it would be great!) -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:19, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
The articles withins this category have a wide table in the top-right of the article where an Infobox might normally be. Is there a Cricket Team Infobox that could work instead? Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 10:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok, to make life easier, just use the "county" to mean "team name" (it doesn't display anyway) - if we change the field, every article using the template will need changing. I have found clubs that do use it ( Goodwood Cricket Club) being one example. I'll look into the rest when I get a chance.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 08:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
An image has been uploaded to the page of the new West Indies captain Darren Sammy, it is from the West Indies Cricket Board website. Is this allowed, and does it mean we can use other player images from the site? Mr.Apples2010 ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
An person keeps on putting it back, but I don't think it should stay, as apparently it was a beatup and all the serious sources eg Cricinfo and other respectable parpers couldn't be bothered YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 23:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Not a bad first-class cricket debut at 18 years of age by Deepak Chahar! [1].Hyderabad all out for 21! -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 23:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, the threshold for inclusion is what is verifiable, not what is true. However, sometimes one can find a verifiable source to say something is true when it actually isn't. For example, see 2012 ICC Under-19 Cricket World Cup. It says that the Under-19 World Cup in 2012 will be held in Argentina. And I could indeed verify this with a reference to this article on the Asian Cricket Council website.
Just one problem - it isn't being held in Argentina. Argentina has just four grounds with turf wickets so obviously can't host the event. So far as I can tell, the first mention of it being held in Argentina was the article here on Wikipedia.
Through my contacts, I do actually know where it is being held, but as there has been no official announcement, I can't provide any verifiable source. Meanwhile, if I remove it from the article someone can justifiably add it back in with the justification that a regional governing body has announced it.
So we have a problem - I can't add what is true, but anyone can add something that is verifiable but not true. Andrew nixon ( talk) 13:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
See Cricketarchive KestevenBullet ( talk) 15:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
According to Zim Cricket and Dutch cricket sites, prepaarations are being made for 2012 World Cup in Argentina.
'ZC Begins Preparations for 2012 , U19 , World Cup Thu, 19/08/2010 - 08:35 — After a disastrous outing in the 2010 edition of the tournament, The Herald reports that ZC's efforts to prepare for the next edition, to be held in Argentina in 2012'(Zim Cricket)
And from the Asian Cricket Council
NEWS
'Afghanistan Trialling U-19s
Afghanistan, who won through with Hong Kong to play in the ICC U/19 World Cup in New Zealand earlier this year, have started their campaign to qualify for the U/19 World Cup in February 2012 in Argentina.'(WWW.Asiancricket.org)
See also(
http://www.sportspundit.com/article/5127/) news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/8846148.stm www.cricket-kenya.com/index.php?option=com_content.. allafrica.com/stories/201008260882.html
So our falsehood correspondent was barking up the wrong tree I think.
KestevenBullet (
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08:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Well rather than engage in espionage - where is it being held? That is quite a lot of evidence that it is in Argentina although one can see it seems unlikely if Canada couldn't hold it. KestevenBullet ( talk) 13:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Ian Stafford popped up on an unreferenced BLP list today, and this statement caught my eye: In "Playgrounds of the Gods" Ian played squash against Jansher Khan, boxed against Roy Jones, Jr., was a substitute for the Springboks rugby team against Ireland, was 12th man for Australia in a one-day cricket international against New Zealand, ran in the Kenyan 3000 metres steeplechase national trials, and partnered rower Steve Redgrave at the Henley Royal Regatta. Now, does anyone have the book and know in which game it happened, was he named as 12th man, or did he field for 1 over as a 13th/14th man (often you here about trainers, team managers physios of touring teams making up the numbers)... because although I agree it's a great idea for a book, surely we didn't let a Pommy journo get on the field in an Aussie shirt in a real game! The-Pope ( talk) 15:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
As some of you may have noticed, I spent a fun few hours last night on AWB tagging a number of article with the talk page banner for this project. I was going for 6 hours (on and off) and I barely brushed the surface. Looking about, User:Xenobot Mk V will do this job automatically, and can also inherit classes from other projects. I feel this would be worth doing, as I would suspect that we have probably a few hundred, maybe over a thousand untagged articles purely relating to players out there, and we have practically 3,000 unclassified articles. If there are no objections, I'll request a run to classify the unclassified articles, and to add any without the banner from the subcategories of Category:Cricketers by nationality. Harrias talk 08:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
AWB can do a recursion to get all teh subcats. Then you cut and pasted the list into Excel and sort it alphabetically, as the recursion picks up cats multiple times due to multiple inheritance. This allows duplicates to be deleted YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 01:15, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I've dealt with 21 items that were in category:Unassessed cricket articles of Low-importance. This leaves a total of 6,790 tagged articles of unknown importance, of which 3,974 are stubs and 2,816 are unassessed. There are no unassessed articles at present that have an importance rating. For details, see: Category:Cricket articles by quality and importance. Looking at this practically, I don't think it matters too much that stubs and unassessed articles have not been given an importance rating as the importance may not become apparent until the article has been developed to start-class at least. I think we should always ensure that anything which has an importance rating also has a quality rating and that anything of start-class and above must have an importance rating. At present we satisfy both of those criteria. It will be interesting to see how many cricket articles are untagged. I wouldn't like to try and guess the number of categories we have now. ---- Jack | talk page 07:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I just took a peek at the list of top-importance articles. There are some very strange inclusions that don't seem to fit in our definition of top importance:
-- Dweller ( talk) 10:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I think the definition needs to be made into a definition because at present it is a guideline that is open to interpretation. There are currently 51 top importance articles. While they are all high importance at least, I think only ten should be top importance because the rest can be seen as second tier items per the list below:
I would transfer the 41 secondary items to the high importance category. ---- Jack | talk page 13:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Maybe this suggestion is not needed on the County Cricket page, but maybe it would help people know the locations of the counties that make up English cricket. I found this map which I have put on my sandbox which has the boundaries of the historic counties, with the county name linked on its location on the map. I wonder if there is any way to use this map, adjusting only the names to link to [[Blah County Cricket Club|Blah]]. Maybe the respective counties could be colored different to represent first-class, minor county, others (like Huntingdonshire and the IOW) and no representative side (Westmorland, Rutland ect). Might be a useful addition to the County Cricket article, might not. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 19:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
New user User:Philipjelley has been doing valiant work on the 1950–51 Ashes series and more recently 1954–55 Ashes series and 1962–63 Ashes series, plus some related articles like English cricket team in Australia in 1962–63. However they could do with a copyedit, he goes for a rather chatty style that isn't as encyclopaedic as it could be. You can't fault his enthusiasm, would someone mind taking a look and perhaps taking him under their wing? I love the one about 20 wickets falling in one day of the 1950-1 series being blamed on the atom bomb tests at Bikini Atoll - it's currently making a (debatable) appearance at T:TDYK Le Deluge ( talk) 17:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Started an article on a mysterious cricketer who could be in the news more in the following days following Haider's disapperance to London. He played a single List A match, conceding 78 from 3 overs, with a target of 123 chased down in 6.1 overs - fixed much? AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 17:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I came across Category:Test cricket grounds when looking at University Oval, Dunedin. The category has been around since 2006 but not been populated other than with List of Test cricket grounds. Is this a useful category worth populating or should it be deleted or should we just leave it sitting there as it is. While thinking about that, Category:Test cricket looks a bit strange too. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Just some thoughts before we go too much further. Are we categorising these by political nation/country or by national cricket association. That is, should SWALEC stadium be shown as Category:Test cricket grounds in England (clearly geographically wrong) or Category:Test cricket grounds in Wales? (but there is no stand-alone Welsh Test cricket team). What about Indian Test venues pre-partition that are now in Pakistan? Ditto for Pakistan Test venues now in Bangladesh. What about Pakistani Test matches in England and the UAE? Should the West Indies grounds be further sub-divided by constituent nation? -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 20:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I've been doing some category work on the venues although I'm waiting for the outcome of the discussion above before doing more. I've nothing to add to that, by the way, except that I think Mattinbgn is going the right way about it. I drew up a list of all venue articles and checked out the talk pages for redlinks which enabled me to place an assessment on a good number that were unclaimed by CRIC. I noticed that a substantial number of defunct English grounds were in the current venues category so I've removed them from that. There were a couple of Welsh ones in England and we know they won't like that so I've put them back in Wales. And I did a bit of tidying up of the West Indies section. ---- Jack | talk page 19:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Outline of cricket is coming along nicely, but still has a ways to go.
Other sports outlines currently under development include:
Can you beat the other Sports WikiProjects to completion?
For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see
Portal:Contents/Outlines.
Here are some examples of developed outlines:
The Transhumanist 23:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Over the coming months I'll be creating Lists of players for players who have represented a Minor County or County Board in List A cricket. Using List of Cornwall CCC players as a guide, I have so far created List of Dorset CCC players and List of Hampshire Cricket Board players. More to follow! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 18:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
A CfD discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 November 14#Category:Miscellaneous international cricket. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 01:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and may be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help do so. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 08:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I have listed the following article at AFD. The page is so non-notable it is unreal, yet seems to have survived speedy deletion and PROD because someone thinks the 'references' on it make it notable. The said references mostly come from the article creator, who I believe is using a sockpuppet to remove tags. Anyhow, we'll get it at AFD!! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 17:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
We currently have a men's and women's team template but not an under-19 team one although there are many articles on under-19 cricket teams. At the moment, the men's team template is used in all articles referring to under-19 cricket. I was wondering whether it would be possible to create a new under-19 template that would link directly. I have no idea how to do so and was hoping someone here might be able to get it done for me! Thanks Waterhogboy ( talk) 19:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Updated and dropped down conversation. Harrias talk 17:10, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Waddington done YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 04:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC) Adding one. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 11:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I've added Category:Irish cricket clubs to WP:CFDS because the name doesn't comply with the format used in all other cricket club by country catalogs. ---- Jack | talk page 16:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
The article Shakib Al Hasan's Ball of the Century, detailing Shakib's ball to remove Ian Bell this summer, to me just isn't notable; not notable when put in the league of Warne's or more recently Swann's. From what I can remember from watching it, it was a good ball but nothing too amazing. Perhaps in the same league as Panesar's to remove Inzamam-ul-haq in 2006, but certainly not worthy of an article. What do you guys think? AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 15:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I've finally done all the redlinks on at Bobo's page, leaves a few on the following page to do, some of which are Somerset cricketers I think I will let our resident Somerset expert complete!!! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 20:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to draw you attention to the List of Test cricket triple centuries which, I think, needs a little bit of TLC to keep it up to par with our current WP:WIAFL standards. Instead of listing it at WP:FLRC, which seems a little harsh to me, I'm bringing it here, along with some suggestions on the talk page which should be addressed. If the comments are not addressed or, at least, responded to then I'll need to take the next step and list it for demtion. But I hope that won't need to happen, since my comments are easily resolvable. Cheers! The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Updated and dropped down the list so that someone might notice it! -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 16:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Done I have just been tidying up and expanding the article on Sir Arthur Priestley, MP (1865–1933).
There is a lot of material there about his cricketing career, but it is wholly unreferenced.
Would anyone with access to cricketing sources be kind enough to take a look and see if they can sort out this article? I've done as much as I want with his political career. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
One of the smallest trade unions in the UK based at Teston, Kent. Surely deserving of an article? Any editor willing and able to create it? Mjroots ( talk) 10:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I added a new parameter "trophyholder". "champions" is fine for IPL etc but Ashes etc deserve a bit more respect. – Moondyne 06:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
On Bobo192's first page of redlinked first-class cricketers, there are according to Bobo "2000-odd" to do... ouch. Anybody with time to crack on with some, even the simple quick ones who have played one first-class match would be a great help. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 20:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi all - an article I created back in January 2009 - that of Jitender Mehra, onetime cricketer for Himachal Pradesh - has been put up for deletion here. Any help - especially given that I'm barely around - would be useful.
Hope all is well. Bobo . 15:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at this article with a view to sorting it out and realised the page was George Herbert Hirst rather than George Hirst. The latter is a redirect, and the content was moved to "George Herbert" in 2006. The reason given was that at Headingley, people confirmed that he was known as "George Herbert". I know quite a bit about the period and, yes he was known as George Herbert locally, but not by the wider public I don't think. It seems a little odd to me, and I think it would be better at George Hirst. What do other people think? -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 13:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Johnlp that we should be global instead of local. I think, being local myself, that "George Herbert" was a nickname of sorts but, since the discussion in 2006 (was it really that long ago?), we have established standards which are outlined in WP:CRIC#STYLE and include naming conventions. The more general sources that I have all refer to "George Hirst" unless they are being very polite, proper, introductory, whatever – and then they might say "George Herbert Hirst" in just the same way that some introduce another great all-rounder as "William Gilbert Grace". So, George Hirst for me. According to received wisdom, George Herbert was a very happy and jolly man, unlike the other great all-rounder from Kirkheaton who, reportedly, was decidedly grim. I do think the article needs to explain the local version, however. ---- Jack | talk page 22:08, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the purpose of the templates in the Cricketer templates category are for? -- WOSlinker ( talk) 19:29, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone. The article on Mitchell Johnson (cricketer) seems to be attracting some attention from drive by editors. Would some of you mind watchlisting it please? Either that, or semi protecting (if possible) because some of the changes are not very helpful to say the least. Cheers. AustralianRupert ( talk) 00:06, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Meets project notability, up for deletion. The article was created by a newbie who has been treated like crap, saving it would put certain users back in their place! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Although our coverage of international tours is quite broad, we are still missing a lot and even have the following redlink categories:
It would be good if we could at least create some useful stubs that would get these categories up and running. The ultimate goal has to be an article about every international tour. ---- Jack | talk page 05:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I've created a template for Under-19 cricket teams as {{cr19}} so that articles on U-19 competitions can link directly to the U-19 team and not the main national cricket team. At some point I'll get round to changing this in key articles such as U-19 world cup etc. but if you come across a page where you notice it hasn't yet been done feel free to change it yourself! Waterhogboy ( talk) 16:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Michael Beer (redlink) has been included in the Australian squad for the third Test in Perth. --
Mattinbgn (
talk)
05:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Very strange selection. If Johnson was so out of sorts then, why should he be OK now? Steve Smith can't be a part of a four man attack, can he? And Beer? Have the Aussies gone back in time and borrowed England's selection policy, c.1988? David Capel and Chris Cowdrey... clean your whites. -- Dweller ( talk) 09:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
A little something I've written on the 2012 Under-19 World Cup not really being held in Argentina and the perils of journalists using Wikipedia for research: http://www.cricketeurope4.net/DATABASE/ARTICLES3/articles/000052/005242.shtml Andrew nixon ( talk) 15:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
I have just created a stubby article on Edward Kenworthy Hornby (1839–1887), who was a Conservative MP from 1869 to 1874. However, the article on his brother A. N. Hornby says that he was also a cricketer.
I don't have any decent cricketing sources or expertise on cricket ... so once again may I ask whether anyone in this project would be kind enough to give the article some attention, and add a bit about his cricketing career? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:08, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
We've a host of cricket FAs that haven't yet appeared on Main Page. I was thinking of nominating Paul Collingwood for the opening or closing day of one of the remaining Tests, (perhaps the last day of the final Test) but then thought I'd come here and see if someone had a better idea. There are bonus points for centenaries and the like - anything unused that directly connects to December 1910? Or possibly Dec 1960 (etc)? -- Dweller ( talk) 14:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
If I can be pardoned for pushing my own stuff, some suggestions:
What do people think? Collingwood? Trumble? Trott? Johnson? Meckiff? Someone[thing] else? -- Dweller ( talk) 09:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
New suggestion: Bill O'Reilly (cricketer). The last day of the next Test match would have been his 105th birthday. And it might help cheer about YM (and all Aussies - in fact, it might spark a call for him to be recalled). Agreement? -- Dweller ( talk) 10:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Members may be interested in this little bit of Wikipedia history, compiled with assistance from User:Graham87. Not all the edits from 2001 have survived; see Wikipedia:Usemod article histories. The first English Wikipedia article appeared in January 2001. The following article appeared when the project had about 7,000 articles.
– Moondyne 13:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Why is there a raft of different naming conventions used for The Ashes articles? Why are some titled Year Ashes series and others in the style of x team in y in year? Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 13:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
But there is no consistency. I think they all should be "X team in Y, YEAR" because it is rare that the touring matches are so notable that they can't occupy the same space as the Ashes Tests. S.G.(GH) ping! 13:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The Ashes? What is that? I have never heard of it. I am convinced all you Englishmen are making this up :) -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 23:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't recall a previous Australian team with no good bowlers. Your best is Siddle, who would never be picked by England. Even though we have lost Broad, we can bring in Shahzad or Bresnan or Tremlett; and these are all better than Siddle. You have no one who compares with Anderson and Swann. Several Aussies I know have said that the 1981 team was your worst ever but that team did have a couple of good bowlers – their problems were poor attitude and lack of leadership. If England win the next Test and so retain the Ashes, I think Australia should implement a youth policy. Ponting has to go and I suppose Clarke will be the next captain. You cannot continue with Watson opening, but he should stay in the team as an all-rounder and bat at six instead of North. It looks as if you have lost Katich anyway so you need two promising young openers and another at three. Hussey and Haddin are good and you have to keep Siddle because there must be one experienced bowler; the rest have to be replaced by younger models. Besides Ponting, I would sack Johnson, North, Doherty, Harris and Bollinger. I can't see Australia seriously challenging England again before 2014–15.
What a shame. :-) ---- Jack | talk page 09:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeh, good call: Johnson 9/82, Harris 9/106, Watson 95. Not a South African in sight. Fire up your singing voice for a bit of this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.168.206 ( talk) 05:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that this category mostly has teams in the format '...national cricket team', but that some entries are just listed as '...cricket team', the latter notably includes England and West Indies, so presumably the thinking was that non-sovereign countries should not have 'national' in front of them? However, Wales and Scotland are listed as 'national'. However, is there in reality a need for these distinctions. Would it actually be simpler if all the entries just said '...cricket team'? I'd be grateful for any thoughts, or links to past discussions on this. Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 11:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
WP Cricket,
Would like to bring to your attention the article on Douglas Bader. His WP Cricket is rating class is as "C" and importance as "Low". While it hasn't been checked by the "B" checklist. If someone could click on "edit" and see what it says in WP Cricket, it shows it's rated as "B", while it appears as "C" in an unedited version. Feedback would be appreciated. Adamdaley ( talk) 08:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Please see this discussion about proposed deletion of a cricket infobox. This process reminds me of CFD in many ways: they don't usually advise editors (although, to be fair, on this occasion the nominator did advise me) or projects that something has been nominated for deletion and they seem to think in terms of their schematic solutions rather than considering the views of a project or what might have been done for the benefit of the readers. ---- Jack | talk page 21:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Non first-class cricketer I have put at AfD. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 19:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
A thorny one. The problem we have is that standards are so poor for many ICC representative nations, yet they play against some teams that are actually very good, including some that have played official ODIs, for example. I'm loathe to make all in or out. Love to hear Johnlp's view on this one. -- Dweller ( talk) 23:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Having just spotted the above, I thought I'd give the football perspective. All international footballers are considered notable if the country is a member of FIFA and have played in a senior international, even if it is non-competitive. I guess the difference with cricket is that the big cricket teams will not play the smaller ones, whereas in football you could have San Marino and Germany meeting in a World Cup qualifying match. The other difference though is that many of the smaller football countries will still have a lot of interest/sources for their international players, whereas in cricket there will be a much bigger drop off in sources after the best 20 or so countries? Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 11:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Should we therefore vote on a proposal to change "anyone who has appeared in at least one ICC Trophy match since 2005, or in an ICC Trophy final prior to 2005, as a player or umpire" to something along the lines of "anyone who has appeared in one ICC-recognised match of at least WCL5 standard, or in an ICC Trophy final prior to 2005, as a player or umpire"? When did WCL5 commence? ---- Jack | talk page 21:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
"So we are suggesting that we publish articles on guys who are notable for a couple of months of their lives"? Well, there are numerous people in all walks of life who are notable for just a few days, or a few hours or for Andy Warhol's classic fifteen minutes. We can't put a time limit on notability. Numerous first-class cricketers, who are notable by that definition, played only a single match and are otherwise unheard of; the only source for them is a scorecard now reproduced on CA. I have my doubts about the Asian games and I'm not happy about the Olympics either. I would rather focus on the World Cricket League for the notability of associate/affiliate players. ---- Jack | talk page 20:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The decision to which we're edging seems rigorous. I'm just curious (this shouldn't affect the decision made) - if we imposed this tomorrow, is there an easy way to count how many biogs would need to be scrutinised to see if they are otherwise notable? Just to reiterate, if it's the right decision, it's the right decision, whether this answer is 10 or 10,000. -- Dweller ( talk) 20:52, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
If anyone has access to Benny Green's History of Cricket, could they see what he has to say about Bernard Bosanquet and let me know? A few more sources needed if possible! Thanks. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 12:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I kid you not! A few more such redirects and the main article now has this content. Blanked once, restored again. If someone would like to keep watch on this it'll be good, I'm not going to be online for a bit. cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 17:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Finally finished my Hampshire CCC players lists. I'm pretty sure they're all there (if any are missing drop me a line), all the stats are correct and the dates fine. They're pretty basic lists, stating basic stats and not going into huge detail on career stats for each player. The article leads are pretty short, so if anyone wants to expand and source those it would be much appreciated.
Now for List of Hampshire county cricket teams first-class players (1772-1861)!!!!
AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 15:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Well I've just screwed up List of Hampshire CCC first-class players (1864-1885). I meant to access my sandbox to compile the List of Hampshire county cricket teams first-class players (1772-1861), but accessed List of Hampshire CCC first-class players (1864-1885) instead. I'm trying to undo my edits to it, but it won't seem to revert back. Obviously I need all the 17?? players to go and for it to revert to how it should be. I know I can look at a previous version and note down the names and redo them, but I cannot be bothered, so if a shorter option is around that would be much better!!!! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 23:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Per comments made in two of the topics above, I've made changes to the wording of WP:CRIN to accommodate international players who have taken part in the ICC World Cup Qualifier and the ICC World Cricket League (i.e., WCL5 and above). This is easily reverted if necessary but, for now, could you all please consider the draft wording and advise if you agree with the substance and the terminology. Please feel free to be WP:BOLD per Johnlp. Merry Xmas. ---- Jack | talk page 07:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. Merry Xmas. I've been reading and thinking about the Marco Celeghin question above and how to amend WP:CRIN. The deletion discussion led me to earlier discussions about Basanta Regmi and James Rice. I am very interested in a comment made in the latter by MDCollins where he says: "I wonder if WP:CRIC should link "amateur" to something - can't quite find what - along the lines of Gentlemen vs Players for historical players such as this. Amateur to modern eyes does imply non-notability, hence this debate". He is right. A lot of articles about pre-1963 players begin by saying that "X was an amateur cricketer" and there is nothing in the article lead or elsewhere to make clear that an amateur who played in major cricket was equally notable with professionals. I think the solution is an article to be called Amateurism in first-class cricket, or similar, that these early bios can link to. I'll make a start on one when I have more time and I'll also do the WP:BOLD as suggested re Celeghin by Johnlp and come up with a revised wording for WP:CRIN (most of which I wrote in the first place). ---- Jack | talk page 07:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Douglas Bader is being reviewed for GA listing. It has been put on hold for an initial 14 days to allow issues such as prose, inline citing and detailed coverage to be addressed. It is not clear why the article has been tagged for your project - as this appears to be an error, the tag will be removed after 14 days unless notified otherwise. SilkTork * YES! 16:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I think so. Even the umpire took pity on them by giving Cook out when he plainly was not. Cook was nearly laughing when he gave the T-sign. Ponting must go, Johnson is over-rated and that Smith is not a Test cricketer. But for Mike Hussey and English complacency, which has hopefully been eradicated on today's evidence, this series would have been done and dusted by now. And what happened to that 84,000 crowd after tea? ---- Jack | talk page 09:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Way too harsh on Ponting I think. A tactical genius he is not, but tactical knowledge is only one part of the role of a captain, and not even the most important one. I am very dubious of claims that great tactics turn a team of poor cricketers into great teams. England are winning because they are better cricketers and nothing that Ponting could do tactically would help much. He would have been much more help making runs. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The AfD of Marco Celeghin has been relisted. Given our recent adoption of new notability guidelines, now would be a good time to implement them! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Can I get some confirmation that a list of test ducks is not appropriate for any cricketer article - at best, a fully referenced mention of it (not just a stats page link) might be acceptable if it is a notable part of his career, but a list is (IMO) just being vindictive and WP:UNDUE applies. An IP has been adding it, along with a "he won't ever play again" comment, and I'll skating on the edge of WP:3RR if it I'm unable to classify it as a BLP issue. So any more eyes on the article would be greatly appreciated. (And may I say that I don't think North would have done any worse than Smith at this stage - hopefully that will mozz Smith into a double hundred in the second dig!) The-Pope ( talk) 15:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
England for an innings and around 150 run victory. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
^^^^^^I was spot on with my prediction! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 15:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
Just a heads-up that there are loads of biographies wanting a decent infobox. The list of requested infoboxes is mainly those with hand-created boxes, or none at all, so doesn't tend to include the transclusions from the older boxes; these are just the really bad ones.
Any help gratefully appreciated! — User:MDCollins ( talk) 15:49, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi all.
Have you seen the Signpost story about the donation of 50,000 images to Commons by the State Library of Queensland? There must be a lot relating to cricket. I spent a few minutes and found this one, for example. Does anyone know how to search within a Commons category for words in the Description parameter? I'm going to cross-post a version of this to [10] -- Dweller ( talk) 11:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Of the Australian cricketers, Jack Ryder is leading them out and Bill Woodfull is next to him. Bert Oldfield is the wicket-keeper and Bradman is next to him, bringing up the rear! I think that Jack Gregory (in his last Test I think) is the tall fellow without a cap, next to him I think is Alan Kippax and Clarrie Grimmett is the little bloke fourth from the right. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 23:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for cross-posting again, but I've not had a reply at Commons... How do I tag on File:StateLibQld_1_233108_Autographed_photograph_of_the_test_cricket_batsman,_Chapman,_1928.jpg that it's this chap? -- Dweller ( talk) 10:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Following the recent update of WP:CRIN I believe we should also reconsider the wordings currently used in WP:CRIC#STYLE, which has not been subject to any substantial change for some years. One of the problems in using the site generally is that there are often no clear guidelines or any consensus around the differences in style between what Americans call British English and the variations in English used elsewhere. I would point out that I do not know of any key differences between English as written in the UK and English as written in the rest of the main cricketing countries; it seems to me that the differences are essentially re American usages and spellings so if Australians or Indians, for example, have any key differences, could those please be mentioned here?
As far as I am aware, although I can't see a relevant section at present and this may be historic, WP:MOS and its sister policies require that an article should be written in compliance with the style of English used in the subject's country. Hence, I would expect to see "color" in the biography of an American and "colour" in the biography of an Englishman.
I don't think spellings per se present a problem but that is not always so with usages and I would like to make a few proposals to amend WP:CRIC#STYLE with a view to establishing a WP:CRIC-based WP:CONSENSUS to which we can defer if and when necessary.
WP:CRIC#STYLE currently has five sub-sections. Under the one headed "Teams and matches", I propose that we add a new point as follows:
Under the second heading "Cricketers", I propose that we merge the second and third points which currently read as follows:
And I further propose that we amend the wording so that the new combined point reads as follows:
I also propose an expansion of the fourth point about biography titles with a new final sentence, thus:
We must seek to achieve consistency in naming standards and, because sources differ so much (even within the same source), we need a modern standard for use as a final arbiter. We have had situations whereby people are arguing that one style should be used because it is in a 19th century book despite 21st century websites and publications using a style that complies with modern usage. I do not claim any special status for the BBC, the Daily Mail or CricketArchive but the first two do largely influence use of English in the 21st century and the latter is widely regarded as the pre-eminent current source for information about cricketers. More to the point, they all comply with what may be perceived to be the usages in current general use, especially as they are all in agreement with each other (e.g., they all use MCC and WG Grace).
While it is a good idea to be WP:BOLD and forge ahead with the proposed changes, I will do that presently but first I think I should invite comments in this forum so that we may be able to point to this discussion as proof of WP:CONSENSUS among the cricket writers on the site. If no one disagrees with any of the proposals, that means we are in agreement and we do have a consensus on style. So please put forward any other proposals or changes of wording before Sat 15 Jan as I will then update WP:CRIC#STYLE accordingly. Also, if anyone wants to amend any of the other style points that I haven't covered, please include those proposals here too.
Remember that the purpose of this initiative is to try and achieve consistency of style across the cricket project according to generally agreed formats. And one thing that should especially be borne in mind is that style is not substance. Thanks. ---- Jack | talk page 19:21, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
We have often had problems with people who insist that so-and-so is "the greatest" and I think we have been presented with a brilliantly simple solution to this tendency which is to replace "the greatest" with a phrase like "one of the most significant players". That was recently done by a new user Wallywangle per this diff in the Grace article. So, as I'm sure we all agree that Sachin is one of the most significant players of all time, especially in terms of his contribution to Indian cricket, I suggest we say that in his article in place of the usual excessive idolatry. The same should apply to all articles containing undue superlatives. ---- Jack | talk page 13:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Farooq Tirmizi is either a blatant hoax or someone this project should be able to source an article on. Anyone here care to take a look? Ϣere SpielChequers 15:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I found this in the root category where it had been dumped with an empty talk page (and was thereby unassessed). I moved it to a more appropriate sub-category and supplied the project tag but, looking at its poor presentation and bearing in mind WP:STATS, is it useful and should it be retained? Do we need an article that is purely about the stats of current players? Will anyone update it when England plays its next series in five months time?
Although we recently had to delete Marco Celeghin because of CRIN, I would rather have kept that article than short-term statistical stuff like this. Anyone for AfD or does it have some potential that I can't see at the moment? ---- Jack | talk page 12:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/England Cricket Batting Stats S.G.(GH) ping! 10:27, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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Right, last time I brought this up, there was little objection to my proposals. I've made a few tweaks following the discussion then, and unless there are strong objections, I'd like to start rolling out the newer, shorter infoboxes, as can be seen here:
I toyed with removing the FC / T20 (for Gregory) and Test (for Craig Kieswetter) columns, but on reflection I feel that actually it's quite a nice balance with the empty columns. Please let me know if you have any problems with this, otherwise I will start converting infoboxes in the next few days. Regards, Harrias talk 19:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
I like it, but on the Cameron White infobox the 'Domestic stats' section also includes the international stats, so maybe 'overall statistics' would be a better heading? Mr.Apples2010 ( talk) 20:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
A huge improvement! In regard to the infobox in general, we should focus on providing information of encyclopedic merit and in the main we should provide this in the form of prose. A wiki is not the place to develop a statistical compendium, even if the scope of Wikipedia allowed us to do so. In my (very humble) opinion, we are much better off focusing on a small set of core stats for each player, (matches played, runs scored, wickets taken) and link to CA or CI for more detail. We should leave compiling and listing stats to the websites that do it much better than we ever could. Given the ability to link to other sites, I see no reason to keep an extended version of the infobox for past players. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 00:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
On another matter, are we going to get a bot to again update the players' stats? Because many do not get updated anymore since the bot died. Aaroncrick TALK 22:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Thoughts please.
— User:MDCollins ( talk) 15:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
There was, well remembered: The Big Match. The fact that this creator thinks it is Test cricket seems to point to it being very nn to me.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 15:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I would be surprised if it was notable as per wp:sources. Shall I prod it?— User:MDCollins ( talk) 22:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Looking further, I hadn't realised that the 5 "Big Matches" listed in the article have their own articles - incidentally none of which mention the words "Big Match". Royal-Thomian looks notable, but some of the others are pretty poor.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 08:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Recently a lot of templates were fully-protected en masse. I've downgraded {{ Infobox cricketer}} to semi-protection as a majority of those who edit that particular one are not admins. If there are other WP:CRIC templates that should be downgraded to semi, please list them here and I'll change those too. cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 15:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Category:Guyanese cricketers be Category:Guyana cricketers given the description of the category? -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
There may be a case for two, like Barbados. Why stop there... Have a look at all these which need proposing at CfD. If anyone has more time than me atm feel free to do something with it!— User:MDCollins ( talk) 23:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Will need an infobox, future England player? 65.96.195.105 ( talk) 21:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
As a long suffering South Australian cricket fan, I was shocked enough to find that we had qualified for the Champions League, let alone actually beating other teams in the League, with Shaun Tait taking wickets and Callum Ferguson scoring runs. I haven't seen any of the games but was wondering if we're playing well and I can look forward to a season with South Australia not at the bottom of the ladder, or if I shouldn't get too ahead of myself. -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
There are major problems with the links. These refer to 'the last recorded match.' It means the last match recorded by criinfo or ca. Thus the County Ground at Stoke evidently saw no matches after 1968. Cricket was still being played there ten years ago. I have had a quick look at some of the Staffs grounds and altered a few. Also some of the 'defunct' grounds are still in use at a higher or lesser level eg: Uttoxetter(Bamford's Ground) Reference should be made here to the books on cricket grounds for each county produced by the ACS. These have chapter and verse on openings and closings. Also. The Minor Counties grounds are listed but NOT the fc counties Second XI and Minor Counties grounds. That may be just incomplete I don't know. KestevenBullet ( talk) 16:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
"A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information, and it should be capable of expansion."
Also, seeing as we don't do articles per WP:CRIC on solely minor counties cricketers, the same is done for the grounds. They have to have held first-class, list-A, twenty20 or a womens international to have been notable. Likewise Havant Park isn't notable just because it has held a Second XI fixture, as these fixtures are not notable, seeing as John Smith who played a single Second XI fixture in 1907 for Blahshire fails WP:CRIC. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 22:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
While updated the tables for the conclusion of this year's County Championship, I stumbled across this template which works wonderfully well for seasons prior to 2010, for example here, but less so for this year's table due to the changes in points gained for wins and draws. Looking at the history of the template, I guess AMBerry is the creator, but he has not been around for 6 months or so, so I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to edit the template to incorporate the 2010 changes, without messing up all previous seasons. Many thanks, Schumi 555 18:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that U. Chandana is none other than Upul Chandana himself. Upul is from Galle, he was playing for Tamil Union in 95/96 season and has played against Galle CC on 22 March 1996, one week after the Lahore final. U. Chandana appears for Galle CC one month later on 19 April, incidentally against Tamil Union. Perhaps Upul might have decided to join the club from his hometown. Changing one's club thrice a season is not a novelty for a SL cricketer. Bowling styles of the two are contradictory though, it says U. Chandana bowled Right arm offbreak, while we know Upul Chandana is one of the best legbreak bowlers Sri Lanka had in the mid 90s. Bit of a mystery to me.-- Chanaka L ( talk) 03:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hasn't done anything yet. YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 02:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Found this article while doing new page patrol. I don't know squat about cricket or cricketers so can somebody here give this stub enough content to avoid deletion? A source or 2 would help as well. -- Ron Ritzman ( talk) 04:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I suspect, but do not know for certain, that Fletcher, who played four times for Oxford University and once for Somerset in 1939, was the son of Sir Frank Fletcher, headmaster of Marlborough and Charterhouse and allegedly the first man to be knighted for services to education. Does anyone have access to the Dictionary of National Biography where there is apparently an entry for Frank Fletcher (1870-1954) that might just confirm (or deny) this? Thanks. Johnlp ( talk) 23:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Need lots of watchlisting, disgruntled fans are always there. YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 08:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Coming along -- S.G.(GH) ping! 17:37, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. User:Dalgspleh moved this article from Digvijay (Kerala cricketer) to the undisambiguated form - where there may be other cricketers with this surname in existence. At the calculated risk of being seen as wheel-warring an article I created myself, could someone please give this a look and act as they feel necessary? As I say, I don't feel comfortable doing so myself. Thank you. Bobo . 20:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I've been asked at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sid Barnes with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948/archive1 whether it is necessary to retain the date the infobox stats were retrieved given that the "as of" factor is irrelevant for dead/retired players. I see other dead/retired players have the date of retrieval even though there is no question of the "as of" being a factor YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 07:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention the latest ruling on which matches are Tests or first class status, and the 197-199 debate. S.G.(GH) ping! 13:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking through the oldest Featured portals to see which have been kept up to modern standards for featured portals and which need attention. I'm afraid that the cricket portal is one of the latter, but it should be relatively straightforward to bring it back up to speed. I've left a note on Portal talk:Cricket with my comments/suggestions, and I hope that these matters can be resolved without the need for a featured portal review. Regards, Bencherlite Talk 18:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Thought I'd create a new one to allow the older one to archive, and drop it down the conversation a bit!
Harrias
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Just spotted Windsor Cricket Club, and it's related AfD which resulted in "Keep" basically because the nomination was a weak one. It does appear that the club fails CRIN, and is basically unreferenced. As the nom ( User:StAnselm pointed out during the AfD, attention solely from local media (the sole argument) does not satisfy WP:ORG, therefore shouldn't pass WP:N too. Is it worth renominating? — User:MDCollins ( talk) 23:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Has played only Minor counties cricket, so non-notable. Put for discussion at AfD. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The former Derbyshire Captain's death has been reported on Cricinfo. 121.213.28.62 ( talk) 12:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Gee, for two Aus-Ind Tests in a row, a lot of batsmen want to waste a flat pitch YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Do all test matches use this system now, or can teams opt in or out of it? I'm sure the match that finished today (India vs Australia) has not used the referral system. Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 09:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Wrote up this guide on how to make teh batting graphs. Thought I should do it, in case I cark it. Good thing I got it off Raven4x4x when he was still active. Can it be stuck on the project page or toolbox somewhere. Unforunately, can't upload xls files on wiki or commons, so if anyone wants the template sample, I'll email it around, and hopefully it spreads around unlike many bot owners who quit and the bot dies :( YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 02:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
There are too many good articles being bombarded with spurious - Citation Needed - tags. Established facts do not need them. If they did practically every word would require it. eg: Jack Hobbs is called Jack Hobbs. However it is not necessary to say Jack Hobbs was elected to ICC Hall of Fame. It itations are needed for disputable facts.could be removed if untrue. KestevenBullet ( talk) 09:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Once again, Kesteven Bullet completely misses the point. The cn tag is used as a reminder not only to the community at large but to the editor himself that a citation is needed to verify the statement in question. It is not a case of overuse, but of encouraging development and eventual completion of the article. I notice that he has once again used for his example an article that I am working on (coincidence?). Perhaps he should follow previous advice and "put up or shut up". Putting up means taking responsibility for an article himself and developing it, but despite all his "noises off", we have never seen any work of his which is worth a mention.
While I respect JP's view, I don't agree that an article is an eyesore because it has a lot of cn tags: it is an eyesore if it is nowhere near complete, it is unstructured and it contains material that is highly questionable. ---- Jack | talk page 08:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
The articles about the newest Test cricketers— Peter George (cricketer) and Cheteshwar Pujara—both need a lot of work ... -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
All done! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 18:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
As part of the review process at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Ian Botham/archive1 , a question has been raised regarding the format of these lists, and more pertinently, the fact they include Economy, but not Bowling average or Maidens. Between Struway2, The Rambling Man and myself, we've failed to reach any real consensus. I would invite comment from those here on the opinions offered there. Harrias talk 11:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Can some others please keep an eye on this article. The subject will be in the news for the next few days and may attract a bit of drive-by editing. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 09:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
The good old Cricinfo and CricketArchive differences! Today's test subject is Andrew Collins. According to CricketArchive he died on 25 December 1999. But according to Cricinfo he is still alive. I have search through Wisden and found no obituary for him. I've searched media sources (which being a fairly minor cricketer he would struggle to get in) and some death registers, but have found nothing. I know some of you guys have better research tools which can get better results; so the question is: Is he dead or alive??? AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of amending many of these in respect of the 'first' and 'last' recorded match. The trouble is, some ARE correct but others merely take the first match recorded on CA. This only records important matches and those from certain leagues where the info has been supplied. In some entries the ground is reported as being still in use fifty years after the last so called recorded match. I have removed most of these errors. However the framework of the article is good and I accept a lot of hard work went into creating it. All the accurate info regarding first-last match can be found in the ACS series of Cricket Grounds of..... It is not a subject to tackle without a lot of sources because the history of grounds is positively byzantine in complexity. KestevenBullet ( talk) 07:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
You miss the point. The ground is still functioning or it isn't. In which case the last f-c or List A match was hardly the last recorded match was it. I mean they didn't run bulldozers over the minute the county men left the pitch. For example. Staffs played at Knypersley in July but Knypersley played at least twenty games there since then. Also the first match on some grounds is listed as the first match noted in CA. In some cases the first match was over fifty years before. F-c games(with rare exceptions)are hardly the first fixture played on a club ground. At Knypersley the club have played there 100 years. What bthe first match was is listed somewhere in the local press archives. Any organised match is the first match on a ground. The last match(If it is not still in use) would have been the very last match played on the field not the last recorded by CA which does not cover much in the way of league cricket. It is a little daft to say you simply choose the first match listed in CA or Cricinfo because it is easier. What is the point of producing accurate records and information when we can buy a kids encyclopaedia because it is easier - if you take my point. KestevenBullet ( talk) 09:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
The alignment in some of this seems to have gone a bit awry, with the left-hand column of "headings" now centred rather than ranged left, and where the infobox has only one form of cricket played, that form of cricket is out in the middle of the box, with the stats that relate to it awkwardly ranged left underneath. I don't remember it being like this a few days ago. I'm far too timid to attempt to rectify this myself. Johnlp ( talk) 19:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure this discussion has been had before but I still question the use of Southern Redbacks to represent the team that represents South Australia. At times, "Redbacks" has been used as a nickname for the side but I noticed at the recent Champions Trophy that while Victoria were called the Bushrangers, SA were called South Australia. And in the (admittedly unlikely) situation that the ghosts of George Giffen, Clem Hill, Don Bradman, Vic Richardson, Clarrie Grimmett and Neil Hawke et al. decide to look up their Wikipedia articles, they are going to scratch their heads wondering what this Southern Redbacks creature is.
Summing up the previous paragraph, can't we just rename it South Australian cricket side or similar? -- Roisterer ( talk) 06:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Are the Australian teams known by their nicknames in all forms of the game or just the one-day stuff? Personally I would prefer the traditional names, but if they are known as the Redbacks whenever they play then I don't see a problem with the current title. Mr.Apples2010 ( talk) 12:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Does cricket archive/cricinfo or similar give a list for all players from a particular side (such as for List of Victoria first-class cricketers) or would you have to compile such a list manually? -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Shaggy has finally retired today. His article needs some expansion to cover his notable county career. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no Outline of cricket.
To create one, click on the redlink above and add this line:
{{subst:BLT|cricket|Cricket}}
Then press save and start adding relevant subheadings and links.
For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see Portal:Contents/Outlines.
For a relevant discussion see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/archive 40#What do you think about making an Outline of Birds?
Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.
The Transhumanist 19:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Well I made a shell of one and summed up my feelings on it with my edit summary: '?' off to work now so feel free to tinker(/delete) S.G.(GH) ping! 15:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Started the article for Rangoon Gymkhana cricket team who played a single first-class match in the 1926/27 season against MCC. Thus far it constitutes 3 sentences!!! I'm trying to expand it, but having no luck finding any sources!!! Feel free to expand what remains Burma's only first-class domestic team. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
As you are probably aware, we have a collection of four spin bowling animations. I nominated the first of these (as a test case) to Valued picture, where it currently has one support other than myself. However, I found myself wondering something. This image is, without a doubt, correct as an off break delivery from a right-arm bowling coming over the wicket. However, surely it would also be correct for a left-arm unorthodox (chinaman) delivery from around the wicket? But basically, I've fuddled my brain thinking about it all, so would like someone else to confirm / tell me I'm talking rubbish! Harrias talk 20:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Further to the Australian team names/article nicknames debate above, I have just found Diamond Eagles in South Africa. As far as I can work out, this team has been rebranded as "Chevrolet Knights", what seems to be it's third name in recent times. (There is no mention of this in the article yet). I was thinking about moving the article to the new name, but it just seems silly really. Would it not be better back at "Eagles cricket team", with redirects from the sponsored names? I imagine some of the other teams suffer from this too.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 09:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
...I think this is the first time they've been called Knights. Previously they have always been "<sponsor> Eagles".— User:MDCollins ( talk) 23:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
May cause a flurry of edits YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 01:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, just looking over a few pages, specifically the International cricket tours of XYZ. Should these be tours where XYZ is the (nominal) home country, or where XYZ are the (nominal) away country? Or both? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.83.97 ( talk) 06:38, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just expanded the article on Bosanquet, the googly inventor. It left me wondering, does anyone still call a googly a "bosie" anymore? And for the more historically minded, what would the line of succession be for googly bowlers? What about Bosanquet, Schwarz, Faulkner, Vogler, White, Carr, Horden ... ? (And if anyone has a ref for that, it would be great!) -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:19, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
The articles withins this category have a wide table in the top-right of the article where an Infobox might normally be. Is there a Cricket Team Infobox that could work instead? Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 10:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok, to make life easier, just use the "county" to mean "team name" (it doesn't display anyway) - if we change the field, every article using the template will need changing. I have found clubs that do use it ( Goodwood Cricket Club) being one example. I'll look into the rest when I get a chance.— User:MDCollins ( talk) 08:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
An image has been uploaded to the page of the new West Indies captain Darren Sammy, it is from the West Indies Cricket Board website. Is this allowed, and does it mean we can use other player images from the site? Mr.Apples2010 ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
An person keeps on putting it back, but I don't think it should stay, as apparently it was a beatup and all the serious sources eg Cricinfo and other respectable parpers couldn't be bothered YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 23:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Not a bad first-class cricket debut at 18 years of age by Deepak Chahar! [1].Hyderabad all out for 21! -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 23:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, the threshold for inclusion is what is verifiable, not what is true. However, sometimes one can find a verifiable source to say something is true when it actually isn't. For example, see 2012 ICC Under-19 Cricket World Cup. It says that the Under-19 World Cup in 2012 will be held in Argentina. And I could indeed verify this with a reference to this article on the Asian Cricket Council website.
Just one problem - it isn't being held in Argentina. Argentina has just four grounds with turf wickets so obviously can't host the event. So far as I can tell, the first mention of it being held in Argentina was the article here on Wikipedia.
Through my contacts, I do actually know where it is being held, but as there has been no official announcement, I can't provide any verifiable source. Meanwhile, if I remove it from the article someone can justifiably add it back in with the justification that a regional governing body has announced it.
So we have a problem - I can't add what is true, but anyone can add something that is verifiable but not true. Andrew nixon ( talk) 13:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
See Cricketarchive KestevenBullet ( talk) 15:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
According to Zim Cricket and Dutch cricket sites, prepaarations are being made for 2012 World Cup in Argentina.
'ZC Begins Preparations for 2012 , U19 , World Cup Thu, 19/08/2010 - 08:35 — After a disastrous outing in the 2010 edition of the tournament, The Herald reports that ZC's efforts to prepare for the next edition, to be held in Argentina in 2012'(Zim Cricket)
And from the Asian Cricket Council
NEWS
'Afghanistan Trialling U-19s
Afghanistan, who won through with Hong Kong to play in the ICC U/19 World Cup in New Zealand earlier this year, have started their campaign to qualify for the U/19 World Cup in February 2012 in Argentina.'(WWW.Asiancricket.org)
See also(
http://www.sportspundit.com/article/5127/) news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/8846148.stm www.cricket-kenya.com/index.php?option=com_content.. allafrica.com/stories/201008260882.html
So our falsehood correspondent was barking up the wrong tree I think.
KestevenBullet (
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08:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Well rather than engage in espionage - where is it being held? That is quite a lot of evidence that it is in Argentina although one can see it seems unlikely if Canada couldn't hold it. KestevenBullet ( talk) 13:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Ian Stafford popped up on an unreferenced BLP list today, and this statement caught my eye: In "Playgrounds of the Gods" Ian played squash against Jansher Khan, boxed against Roy Jones, Jr., was a substitute for the Springboks rugby team against Ireland, was 12th man for Australia in a one-day cricket international against New Zealand, ran in the Kenyan 3000 metres steeplechase national trials, and partnered rower Steve Redgrave at the Henley Royal Regatta. Now, does anyone have the book and know in which game it happened, was he named as 12th man, or did he field for 1 over as a 13th/14th man (often you here about trainers, team managers physios of touring teams making up the numbers)... because although I agree it's a great idea for a book, surely we didn't let a Pommy journo get on the field in an Aussie shirt in a real game! The-Pope ( talk) 15:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
As some of you may have noticed, I spent a fun few hours last night on AWB tagging a number of article with the talk page banner for this project. I was going for 6 hours (on and off) and I barely brushed the surface. Looking about, User:Xenobot Mk V will do this job automatically, and can also inherit classes from other projects. I feel this would be worth doing, as I would suspect that we have probably a few hundred, maybe over a thousand untagged articles purely relating to players out there, and we have practically 3,000 unclassified articles. If there are no objections, I'll request a run to classify the unclassified articles, and to add any without the banner from the subcategories of Category:Cricketers by nationality. Harrias talk 08:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
AWB can do a recursion to get all teh subcats. Then you cut and pasted the list into Excel and sort it alphabetically, as the recursion picks up cats multiple times due to multiple inheritance. This allows duplicates to be deleted YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 01:15, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I've dealt with 21 items that were in category:Unassessed cricket articles of Low-importance. This leaves a total of 6,790 tagged articles of unknown importance, of which 3,974 are stubs and 2,816 are unassessed. There are no unassessed articles at present that have an importance rating. For details, see: Category:Cricket articles by quality and importance. Looking at this practically, I don't think it matters too much that stubs and unassessed articles have not been given an importance rating as the importance may not become apparent until the article has been developed to start-class at least. I think we should always ensure that anything which has an importance rating also has a quality rating and that anything of start-class and above must have an importance rating. At present we satisfy both of those criteria. It will be interesting to see how many cricket articles are untagged. I wouldn't like to try and guess the number of categories we have now. ---- Jack | talk page 07:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I just took a peek at the list of top-importance articles. There are some very strange inclusions that don't seem to fit in our definition of top importance:
-- Dweller ( talk) 10:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I think the definition needs to be made into a definition because at present it is a guideline that is open to interpretation. There are currently 51 top importance articles. While they are all high importance at least, I think only ten should be top importance because the rest can be seen as second tier items per the list below:
I would transfer the 41 secondary items to the high importance category. ---- Jack | talk page 13:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Maybe this suggestion is not needed on the County Cricket page, but maybe it would help people know the locations of the counties that make up English cricket. I found this map which I have put on my sandbox which has the boundaries of the historic counties, with the county name linked on its location on the map. I wonder if there is any way to use this map, adjusting only the names to link to [[Blah County Cricket Club|Blah]]. Maybe the respective counties could be colored different to represent first-class, minor county, others (like Huntingdonshire and the IOW) and no representative side (Westmorland, Rutland ect). Might be a useful addition to the County Cricket article, might not. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 19:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
New user User:Philipjelley has been doing valiant work on the 1950–51 Ashes series and more recently 1954–55 Ashes series and 1962–63 Ashes series, plus some related articles like English cricket team in Australia in 1962–63. However they could do with a copyedit, he goes for a rather chatty style that isn't as encyclopaedic as it could be. You can't fault his enthusiasm, would someone mind taking a look and perhaps taking him under their wing? I love the one about 20 wickets falling in one day of the 1950-1 series being blamed on the atom bomb tests at Bikini Atoll - it's currently making a (debatable) appearance at T:TDYK Le Deluge ( talk) 17:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Started an article on a mysterious cricketer who could be in the news more in the following days following Haider's disapperance to London. He played a single List A match, conceding 78 from 3 overs, with a target of 123 chased down in 6.1 overs - fixed much? AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 17:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I came across Category:Test cricket grounds when looking at University Oval, Dunedin. The category has been around since 2006 but not been populated other than with List of Test cricket grounds. Is this a useful category worth populating or should it be deleted or should we just leave it sitting there as it is. While thinking about that, Category:Test cricket looks a bit strange too. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Just some thoughts before we go too much further. Are we categorising these by political nation/country or by national cricket association. That is, should SWALEC stadium be shown as Category:Test cricket grounds in England (clearly geographically wrong) or Category:Test cricket grounds in Wales? (but there is no stand-alone Welsh Test cricket team). What about Indian Test venues pre-partition that are now in Pakistan? Ditto for Pakistan Test venues now in Bangladesh. What about Pakistani Test matches in England and the UAE? Should the West Indies grounds be further sub-divided by constituent nation? -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 20:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I've been doing some category work on the venues although I'm waiting for the outcome of the discussion above before doing more. I've nothing to add to that, by the way, except that I think Mattinbgn is going the right way about it. I drew up a list of all venue articles and checked out the talk pages for redlinks which enabled me to place an assessment on a good number that were unclaimed by CRIC. I noticed that a substantial number of defunct English grounds were in the current venues category so I've removed them from that. There were a couple of Welsh ones in England and we know they won't like that so I've put them back in Wales. And I did a bit of tidying up of the West Indies section. ---- Jack | talk page 19:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Outline of cricket is coming along nicely, but still has a ways to go.
Other sports outlines currently under development include:
Can you beat the other Sports WikiProjects to completion?
For the whole set of outlines on Wikipedia, see
Portal:Contents/Outlines.
Here are some examples of developed outlines:
The Transhumanist 23:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Over the coming months I'll be creating Lists of players for players who have represented a Minor County or County Board in List A cricket. Using List of Cornwall CCC players as a guide, I have so far created List of Dorset CCC players and List of Hampshire Cricket Board players. More to follow! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 18:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
A CfD discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 November 14#Category:Miscellaneous international cricket. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 01:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and may be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help do so. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 08:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I have listed the following article at AFD. The page is so non-notable it is unreal, yet seems to have survived speedy deletion and PROD because someone thinks the 'references' on it make it notable. The said references mostly come from the article creator, who I believe is using a sockpuppet to remove tags. Anyhow, we'll get it at AFD!! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 17:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
We currently have a men's and women's team template but not an under-19 team one although there are many articles on under-19 cricket teams. At the moment, the men's team template is used in all articles referring to under-19 cricket. I was wondering whether it would be possible to create a new under-19 template that would link directly. I have no idea how to do so and was hoping someone here might be able to get it done for me! Thanks Waterhogboy ( talk) 19:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Updated and dropped down conversation. Harrias talk 17:10, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Waddington done YellowMonkey ( new photo poll) 04:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC) Adding one. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 11:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I've added Category:Irish cricket clubs to WP:CFDS because the name doesn't comply with the format used in all other cricket club by country catalogs. ---- Jack | talk page 16:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
The article Shakib Al Hasan's Ball of the Century, detailing Shakib's ball to remove Ian Bell this summer, to me just isn't notable; not notable when put in the league of Warne's or more recently Swann's. From what I can remember from watching it, it was a good ball but nothing too amazing. Perhaps in the same league as Panesar's to remove Inzamam-ul-haq in 2006, but certainly not worthy of an article. What do you guys think? AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 15:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I've finally done all the redlinks on at Bobo's page, leaves a few on the following page to do, some of which are Somerset cricketers I think I will let our resident Somerset expert complete!!! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 20:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to draw you attention to the List of Test cricket triple centuries which, I think, needs a little bit of TLC to keep it up to par with our current WP:WIAFL standards. Instead of listing it at WP:FLRC, which seems a little harsh to me, I'm bringing it here, along with some suggestions on the talk page which should be addressed. If the comments are not addressed or, at least, responded to then I'll need to take the next step and list it for demtion. But I hope that won't need to happen, since my comments are easily resolvable. Cheers! The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Updated and dropped down the list so that someone might notice it! -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 16:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Done I have just been tidying up and expanding the article on Sir Arthur Priestley, MP (1865–1933).
There is a lot of material there about his cricketing career, but it is wholly unreferenced.
Would anyone with access to cricketing sources be kind enough to take a look and see if they can sort out this article? I've done as much as I want with his political career. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
One of the smallest trade unions in the UK based at Teston, Kent. Surely deserving of an article? Any editor willing and able to create it? Mjroots ( talk) 10:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I added a new parameter "trophyholder". "champions" is fine for IPL etc but Ashes etc deserve a bit more respect. – Moondyne 06:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
On Bobo192's first page of redlinked first-class cricketers, there are according to Bobo "2000-odd" to do... ouch. Anybody with time to crack on with some, even the simple quick ones who have played one first-class match would be a great help. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 20:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi all - an article I created back in January 2009 - that of Jitender Mehra, onetime cricketer for Himachal Pradesh - has been put up for deletion here. Any help - especially given that I'm barely around - would be useful.
Hope all is well. Bobo . 15:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at this article with a view to sorting it out and realised the page was George Herbert Hirst rather than George Hirst. The latter is a redirect, and the content was moved to "George Herbert" in 2006. The reason given was that at Headingley, people confirmed that he was known as "George Herbert". I know quite a bit about the period and, yes he was known as George Herbert locally, but not by the wider public I don't think. It seems a little odd to me, and I think it would be better at George Hirst. What do other people think? -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 13:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Johnlp that we should be global instead of local. I think, being local myself, that "George Herbert" was a nickname of sorts but, since the discussion in 2006 (was it really that long ago?), we have established standards which are outlined in WP:CRIC#STYLE and include naming conventions. The more general sources that I have all refer to "George Hirst" unless they are being very polite, proper, introductory, whatever – and then they might say "George Herbert Hirst" in just the same way that some introduce another great all-rounder as "William Gilbert Grace". So, George Hirst for me. According to received wisdom, George Herbert was a very happy and jolly man, unlike the other great all-rounder from Kirkheaton who, reportedly, was decidedly grim. I do think the article needs to explain the local version, however. ---- Jack | talk page 22:08, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the purpose of the templates in the Cricketer templates category are for? -- WOSlinker ( talk) 19:29, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi everyone. The article on Mitchell Johnson (cricketer) seems to be attracting some attention from drive by editors. Would some of you mind watchlisting it please? Either that, or semi protecting (if possible) because some of the changes are not very helpful to say the least. Cheers. AustralianRupert ( talk) 00:06, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Meets project notability, up for deletion. The article was created by a newbie who has been treated like crap, saving it would put certain users back in their place! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Although our coverage of international tours is quite broad, we are still missing a lot and even have the following redlink categories:
It would be good if we could at least create some useful stubs that would get these categories up and running. The ultimate goal has to be an article about every international tour. ---- Jack | talk page 05:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I've created a template for Under-19 cricket teams as {{cr19}} so that articles on U-19 competitions can link directly to the U-19 team and not the main national cricket team. At some point I'll get round to changing this in key articles such as U-19 world cup etc. but if you come across a page where you notice it hasn't yet been done feel free to change it yourself! Waterhogboy ( talk) 16:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Michael Beer (redlink) has been included in the Australian squad for the third Test in Perth. --
Mattinbgn (
talk)
05:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Very strange selection. If Johnson was so out of sorts then, why should he be OK now? Steve Smith can't be a part of a four man attack, can he? And Beer? Have the Aussies gone back in time and borrowed England's selection policy, c.1988? David Capel and Chris Cowdrey... clean your whites. -- Dweller ( talk) 09:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
A little something I've written on the 2012 Under-19 World Cup not really being held in Argentina and the perils of journalists using Wikipedia for research: http://www.cricketeurope4.net/DATABASE/ARTICLES3/articles/000052/005242.shtml Andrew nixon ( talk) 15:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
I have just created a stubby article on Edward Kenworthy Hornby (1839–1887), who was a Conservative MP from 1869 to 1874. However, the article on his brother A. N. Hornby says that he was also a cricketer.
I don't have any decent cricketing sources or expertise on cricket ... so once again may I ask whether anyone in this project would be kind enough to give the article some attention, and add a bit about his cricketing career? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:08, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
We've a host of cricket FAs that haven't yet appeared on Main Page. I was thinking of nominating Paul Collingwood for the opening or closing day of one of the remaining Tests, (perhaps the last day of the final Test) but then thought I'd come here and see if someone had a better idea. There are bonus points for centenaries and the like - anything unused that directly connects to December 1910? Or possibly Dec 1960 (etc)? -- Dweller ( talk) 14:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
If I can be pardoned for pushing my own stuff, some suggestions:
What do people think? Collingwood? Trumble? Trott? Johnson? Meckiff? Someone[thing] else? -- Dweller ( talk) 09:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
New suggestion: Bill O'Reilly (cricketer). The last day of the next Test match would have been his 105th birthday. And it might help cheer about YM (and all Aussies - in fact, it might spark a call for him to be recalled). Agreement? -- Dweller ( talk) 10:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Members may be interested in this little bit of Wikipedia history, compiled with assistance from User:Graham87. Not all the edits from 2001 have survived; see Wikipedia:Usemod article histories. The first English Wikipedia article appeared in January 2001. The following article appeared when the project had about 7,000 articles.
– Moondyne 13:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Why is there a raft of different naming conventions used for The Ashes articles? Why are some titled Year Ashes series and others in the style of x team in y in year? Thanks. Lugnuts ( talk) 13:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
But there is no consistency. I think they all should be "X team in Y, YEAR" because it is rare that the touring matches are so notable that they can't occupy the same space as the Ashes Tests. S.G.(GH) ping! 13:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The Ashes? What is that? I have never heard of it. I am convinced all you Englishmen are making this up :) -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 23:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't recall a previous Australian team with no good bowlers. Your best is Siddle, who would never be picked by England. Even though we have lost Broad, we can bring in Shahzad or Bresnan or Tremlett; and these are all better than Siddle. You have no one who compares with Anderson and Swann. Several Aussies I know have said that the 1981 team was your worst ever but that team did have a couple of good bowlers – their problems were poor attitude and lack of leadership. If England win the next Test and so retain the Ashes, I think Australia should implement a youth policy. Ponting has to go and I suppose Clarke will be the next captain. You cannot continue with Watson opening, but he should stay in the team as an all-rounder and bat at six instead of North. It looks as if you have lost Katich anyway so you need two promising young openers and another at three. Hussey and Haddin are good and you have to keep Siddle because there must be one experienced bowler; the rest have to be replaced by younger models. Besides Ponting, I would sack Johnson, North, Doherty, Harris and Bollinger. I can't see Australia seriously challenging England again before 2014–15.
What a shame. :-) ---- Jack | talk page 09:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeh, good call: Johnson 9/82, Harris 9/106, Watson 95. Not a South African in sight. Fire up your singing voice for a bit of this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.168.206 ( talk) 05:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that this category mostly has teams in the format '...national cricket team', but that some entries are just listed as '...cricket team', the latter notably includes England and West Indies, so presumably the thinking was that non-sovereign countries should not have 'national' in front of them? However, Wales and Scotland are listed as 'national'. However, is there in reality a need for these distinctions. Would it actually be simpler if all the entries just said '...cricket team'? I'd be grateful for any thoughts, or links to past discussions on this. Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 11:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
WP Cricket,
Would like to bring to your attention the article on Douglas Bader. His WP Cricket is rating class is as "C" and importance as "Low". While it hasn't been checked by the "B" checklist. If someone could click on "edit" and see what it says in WP Cricket, it shows it's rated as "B", while it appears as "C" in an unedited version. Feedback would be appreciated. Adamdaley ( talk) 08:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Please see this discussion about proposed deletion of a cricket infobox. This process reminds me of CFD in many ways: they don't usually advise editors (although, to be fair, on this occasion the nominator did advise me) or projects that something has been nominated for deletion and they seem to think in terms of their schematic solutions rather than considering the views of a project or what might have been done for the benefit of the readers. ---- Jack | talk page 21:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Non first-class cricketer I have put at AfD. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 19:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
A thorny one. The problem we have is that standards are so poor for many ICC representative nations, yet they play against some teams that are actually very good, including some that have played official ODIs, for example. I'm loathe to make all in or out. Love to hear Johnlp's view on this one. -- Dweller ( talk) 23:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Having just spotted the above, I thought I'd give the football perspective. All international footballers are considered notable if the country is a member of FIFA and have played in a senior international, even if it is non-competitive. I guess the difference with cricket is that the big cricket teams will not play the smaller ones, whereas in football you could have San Marino and Germany meeting in a World Cup qualifying match. The other difference though is that many of the smaller football countries will still have a lot of interest/sources for their international players, whereas in cricket there will be a much bigger drop off in sources after the best 20 or so countries? Regards. Eldumpo ( talk) 11:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Should we therefore vote on a proposal to change "anyone who has appeared in at least one ICC Trophy match since 2005, or in an ICC Trophy final prior to 2005, as a player or umpire" to something along the lines of "anyone who has appeared in one ICC-recognised match of at least WCL5 standard, or in an ICC Trophy final prior to 2005, as a player or umpire"? When did WCL5 commence? ---- Jack | talk page 21:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
"So we are suggesting that we publish articles on guys who are notable for a couple of months of their lives"? Well, there are numerous people in all walks of life who are notable for just a few days, or a few hours or for Andy Warhol's classic fifteen minutes. We can't put a time limit on notability. Numerous first-class cricketers, who are notable by that definition, played only a single match and are otherwise unheard of; the only source for them is a scorecard now reproduced on CA. I have my doubts about the Asian games and I'm not happy about the Olympics either. I would rather focus on the World Cricket League for the notability of associate/affiliate players. ---- Jack | talk page 20:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The decision to which we're edging seems rigorous. I'm just curious (this shouldn't affect the decision made) - if we imposed this tomorrow, is there an easy way to count how many biogs would need to be scrutinised to see if they are otherwise notable? Just to reiterate, if it's the right decision, it's the right decision, whether this answer is 10 or 10,000. -- Dweller ( talk) 20:52, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
If anyone has access to Benny Green's History of Cricket, could they see what he has to say about Bernard Bosanquet and let me know? A few more sources needed if possible! Thanks. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 12:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I kid you not! A few more such redirects and the main article now has this content. Blanked once, restored again. If someone would like to keep watch on this it'll be good, I'm not going to be online for a bit. cheers. — Spaceman Spiff 17:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Finally finished my Hampshire CCC players lists. I'm pretty sure they're all there (if any are missing drop me a line), all the stats are correct and the dates fine. They're pretty basic lists, stating basic stats and not going into huge detail on career stats for each player. The article leads are pretty short, so if anyone wants to expand and source those it would be much appreciated.
Now for List of Hampshire county cricket teams first-class players (1772-1861)!!!!
AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 15:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Well I've just screwed up List of Hampshire CCC first-class players (1864-1885). I meant to access my sandbox to compile the List of Hampshire county cricket teams first-class players (1772-1861), but accessed List of Hampshire CCC first-class players (1864-1885) instead. I'm trying to undo my edits to it, but it won't seem to revert back. Obviously I need all the 17?? players to go and for it to revert to how it should be. I know I can look at a previous version and note down the names and redo them, but I cannot be bothered, so if a shorter option is around that would be much better!!!! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 23:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Per comments made in two of the topics above, I've made changes to the wording of WP:CRIN to accommodate international players who have taken part in the ICC World Cup Qualifier and the ICC World Cricket League (i.e., WCL5 and above). This is easily reverted if necessary but, for now, could you all please consider the draft wording and advise if you agree with the substance and the terminology. Please feel free to be WP:BOLD per Johnlp. Merry Xmas. ---- Jack | talk page 07:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. Merry Xmas. I've been reading and thinking about the Marco Celeghin question above and how to amend WP:CRIN. The deletion discussion led me to earlier discussions about Basanta Regmi and James Rice. I am very interested in a comment made in the latter by MDCollins where he says: "I wonder if WP:CRIC should link "amateur" to something - can't quite find what - along the lines of Gentlemen vs Players for historical players such as this. Amateur to modern eyes does imply non-notability, hence this debate". He is right. A lot of articles about pre-1963 players begin by saying that "X was an amateur cricketer" and there is nothing in the article lead or elsewhere to make clear that an amateur who played in major cricket was equally notable with professionals. I think the solution is an article to be called Amateurism in first-class cricket, or similar, that these early bios can link to. I'll make a start on one when I have more time and I'll also do the WP:BOLD as suggested re Celeghin by Johnlp and come up with a revised wording for WP:CRIN (most of which I wrote in the first place). ---- Jack | talk page 07:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Douglas Bader is being reviewed for GA listing. It has been put on hold for an initial 14 days to allow issues such as prose, inline citing and detailed coverage to be addressed. It is not clear why the article has been tagged for your project - as this appears to be an error, the tag will be removed after 14 days unless notified otherwise. SilkTork * YES! 16:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I think so. Even the umpire took pity on them by giving Cook out when he plainly was not. Cook was nearly laughing when he gave the T-sign. Ponting must go, Johnson is over-rated and that Smith is not a Test cricketer. But for Mike Hussey and English complacency, which has hopefully been eradicated on today's evidence, this series would have been done and dusted by now. And what happened to that 84,000 crowd after tea? ---- Jack | talk page 09:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Way too harsh on Ponting I think. A tactical genius he is not, but tactical knowledge is only one part of the role of a captain, and not even the most important one. I am very dubious of claims that great tactics turn a team of poor cricketers into great teams. England are winning because they are better cricketers and nothing that Ponting could do tactically would help much. He would have been much more help making runs. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 10:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The AfD of Marco Celeghin has been relisted. Given our recent adoption of new notability guidelines, now would be a good time to implement them! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 16:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Can I get some confirmation that a list of test ducks is not appropriate for any cricketer article - at best, a fully referenced mention of it (not just a stats page link) might be acceptable if it is a notable part of his career, but a list is (IMO) just being vindictive and WP:UNDUE applies. An IP has been adding it, along with a "he won't ever play again" comment, and I'll skating on the edge of WP:3RR if it I'm unable to classify it as a BLP issue. So any more eyes on the article would be greatly appreciated. (And may I say that I don't think North would have done any worse than Smith at this stage - hopefully that will mozz Smith into a double hundred in the second dig!) The-Pope ( talk) 15:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
England for an innings and around 150 run victory. AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 21:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
^^^^^^I was spot on with my prediction! AssociateAffiliate ( talk) 15:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
Just a heads-up that there are loads of biographies wanting a decent infobox. The list of requested infoboxes is mainly those with hand-created boxes, or none at all, so doesn't tend to include the transclusions from the older boxes; these are just the really bad ones.
Any help gratefully appreciated! — User:MDCollins ( talk) 15:49, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi all.
Have you seen the Signpost story about the donation of 50,000 images to Commons by the State Library of Queensland? There must be a lot relating to cricket. I spent a few minutes and found this one, for example. Does anyone know how to search within a Commons category for words in the Description parameter? I'm going to cross-post a version of this to [10] -- Dweller ( talk) 11:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Of the Australian cricketers, Jack Ryder is leading them out and Bill Woodfull is next to him. Bert Oldfield is the wicket-keeper and Bradman is next to him, bringing up the rear! I think that Jack Gregory (in his last Test I think) is the tall fellow without a cap, next to him I think is Alan Kippax and Clarrie Grimmett is the little bloke fourth from the right. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 23:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for cross-posting again, but I've not had a reply at Commons... How do I tag on File:StateLibQld_1_233108_Autographed_photograph_of_the_test_cricket_batsman,_Chapman,_1928.jpg that it's this chap? -- Dweller ( talk) 10:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Following the recent update of WP:CRIN I believe we should also reconsider the wordings currently used in WP:CRIC#STYLE, which has not been subject to any substantial change for some years. One of the problems in using the site generally is that there are often no clear guidelines or any consensus around the differences in style between what Americans call British English and the variations in English used elsewhere. I would point out that I do not know of any key differences between English as written in the UK and English as written in the rest of the main cricketing countries; it seems to me that the differences are essentially re American usages and spellings so if Australians or Indians, for example, have any key differences, could those please be mentioned here?
As far as I am aware, although I can't see a relevant section at present and this may be historic, WP:MOS and its sister policies require that an article should be written in compliance with the style of English used in the subject's country. Hence, I would expect to see "color" in the biography of an American and "colour" in the biography of an Englishman.
I don't think spellings per se present a problem but that is not always so with usages and I would like to make a few proposals to amend WP:CRIC#STYLE with a view to establishing a WP:CRIC-based WP:CONSENSUS to which we can defer if and when necessary.
WP:CRIC#STYLE currently has five sub-sections. Under the one headed "Teams and matches", I propose that we add a new point as follows:
Under the second heading "Cricketers", I propose that we merge the second and third points which currently read as follows:
And I further propose that we amend the wording so that the new combined point reads as follows:
I also propose an expansion of the fourth point about biography titles with a new final sentence, thus:
We must seek to achieve consistency in naming standards and, because sources differ so much (even within the same source), we need a modern standard for use as a final arbiter. We have had situations whereby people are arguing that one style should be used because it is in a 19th century book despite 21st century websites and publications using a style that complies with modern usage. I do not claim any special status for the BBC, the Daily Mail or CricketArchive but the first two do largely influence use of English in the 21st century and the latter is widely regarded as the pre-eminent current source for information about cricketers. More to the point, they all comply with what may be perceived to be the usages in current general use, especially as they are all in agreement with each other (e.g., they all use MCC and WG Grace).
While it is a good idea to be WP:BOLD and forge ahead with the proposed changes, I will do that presently but first I think I should invite comments in this forum so that we may be able to point to this discussion as proof of WP:CONSENSUS among the cricket writers on the site. If no one disagrees with any of the proposals, that means we are in agreement and we do have a consensus on style. So please put forward any other proposals or changes of wording before Sat 15 Jan as I will then update WP:CRIC#STYLE accordingly. Also, if anyone wants to amend any of the other style points that I haven't covered, please include those proposals here too.
Remember that the purpose of this initiative is to try and achieve consistency of style across the cricket project according to generally agreed formats. And one thing that should especially be borne in mind is that style is not substance. Thanks. ---- Jack | talk page 19:21, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
We have often had problems with people who insist that so-and-so is "the greatest" and I think we have been presented with a brilliantly simple solution to this tendency which is to replace "the greatest" with a phrase like "one of the most significant players". That was recently done by a new user Wallywangle per this diff in the Grace article. So, as I'm sure we all agree that Sachin is one of the most significant players of all time, especially in terms of his contribution to Indian cricket, I suggest we say that in his article in place of the usual excessive idolatry. The same should apply to all articles containing undue superlatives. ---- Jack | talk page 13:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Farooq Tirmizi is either a blatant hoax or someone this project should be able to source an article on. Anyone here care to take a look? Ϣere SpielChequers 15:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I found this in the root category where it had been dumped with an empty talk page (and was thereby unassessed). I moved it to a more appropriate sub-category and supplied the project tag but, looking at its poor presentation and bearing in mind WP:STATS, is it useful and should it be retained? Do we need an article that is purely about the stats of current players? Will anyone update it when England plays its next series in five months time?
Although we recently had to delete Marco Celeghin because of CRIN, I would rather have kept that article than short-term statistical stuff like this. Anyone for AfD or does it have some potential that I can't see at the moment? ---- Jack | talk page 12:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/England Cricket Batting Stats S.G.(GH) ping! 10:27, 8 January 2011 (UTC)