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I took a picture of a sign when driving into Mount Morris that reads "Welcome to Mount Morris NY - Home of Pledge of Allegiance - Founded 1794". - Indeed on this page it shows "Francis Bellamy, author of the Pledge of Allegiance was born there."
Would this be something we would add to this page? And if so what is the next step? Upload it somewhere and update this with the link? I have a full version (8MP). JHolicky ( talk) 15:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Realized after I wasn't posting to the actual link. I need to spend more time and review the WikiProject Cities concept. JHolicky ( talk) 15:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Having worked on a fair number of city and settlement articles over the 8 years I've been a Wikipedian, I have come to wonder why we recommend that the History section precedes the Geography section. Clearly (physical) geography is often a heavy influence on the history of a place and, as a consequence I find myself having to write about the geography of a place in the history section, in order to explain the history, or putting in clumsy and hard to read forward references.
Changing the order of these two sections would remove this need, or enable a much briefer description referring back to the description in the preceding section. As physical geography is rarely dependent on history, this would not introduce the opposite problem. Obviously that isn't true for other branches of geography, but generally WP covers these in other sections (demographics, economy, transport, etc).
So would it be a good idea to change the recommendation to have geography first?. Obviously this would leave us with lots of articles in the old order, but I don't see that as a huge problem. They could be left to gradually change as they are worked on, or even to stay as they are. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 13:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
(Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 14:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC))
I've started a RfM on a page under this WikiProject.
Briefly: The suggestion is to move Prypiat -> Pripyat. The town in the Chernobyl Exlcusion Zone is much more predominantly known as with the Pripyat spelling.
I would just move this myself, but the has come up before, and there's a small amount of back-and-forth editing on the age, so I thought an RfM best.
Input very welcome. Discussion here: Talk:Prypiat#RFM to Pripyat (with better justification & references) -- Cooper42( Talk)( Contr) 03:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
FYI, talk:Castle town has a discussion on what the coverage of this article should be. -- 70.24.247.127 ( talk) 07:22, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Has a consensus been established for policy regarding outdated census numbers in city articles? For example, most U.S. city articles which have been updated with the 2010 demographic information replace/remove the 2000 numbers. However, some articles keep both sets of numbers, and attempts to remove the 2000 Census info after the article is updated with 2010 demographics are reverted.-- Chimino ( talk) 09:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
All's in the title : Wikipedia:Featured article review/Detroit/archive1. Thanks for your attention, Esprit Fugace ( talk) 20:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I think that every FA-class city article I've looked at leaves out basic information that would make me oppose them at GA, let alone FA. I've raised the subject for review. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 16:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion taking place at the above page which may be of interest to members of this project. Gtwfan52 ( talk) 18:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
As I've been updating US places to the 2010 census data I've been seeing a lot of confusion about which value should be used for the standard boilerplate sentence "There were X households out of which Y% had children under the age of 18 living with them", and in turn this is making me confused about which value I should be using. When you look at the data the census provides there is a entry called "With own children under 18 years" which is the value some people are using and then there is a entry called "Households with individuals under 18 years" that other people are using. These two numbers are only the same for places with a very small population. I believe the difference is that the second value accounts for situations similar to a grandparent raising their grandchild or people who do foster care, and the first value is the % of households with a parent raising their kids. I originally used the first value, but have since switched to the second one and changed the old pages I had edited to the second value as well. I feel that the sentence implies all households so it shouldn't just be the percentage of family households with kids, but am I mistaken is believing this and using that value? As I said before I've seen other editors using both values so is there a standard on which one is correct? Jamo2008 ( talk) 20:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Here is an example for both cases, I did not write the 2010 census section for either one of these pages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Farmingdale,_Maine&oldid=530922121 This is an older version, I changed the value this morning and it was after doing that I started to worry that I could be wrong about which value I was using, but as you can see it uses the 28.8%, which is the value for "With own children under 18 years".
Corvallis, Oregon uses the "Households with individuals under 18 years" value.
Jamo2008 (
talk) 20:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
In the Demographics section, the first line in the last paragraph (concerning median family income) reads, "...median income for a family is 3 cows, 7 goats and 29 sheep."
I edited this page last night, and the bot kicked it out. I protested the bot's choice but it seems to want the upper hand! Any chance a human on your staff could rewrite that line to help raise the article's credibility?
Thanks!
97.89.62.71 ( talk) 13:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)Mark Mattoon, 01/08/2013
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There is a discussion on whether any city should be described as the 'financial capital of the world' at Talk:World_financial_capital. Because of a limited number of editors, we are struggling to come to a consensus about anything, so we would warmly welcome and encourage any editors from this project to take part. Regards, -- ThunderingTyphoons! ( talk) 15:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, can someone advise whether there is an infobox template appropriate to use with a city square? Shahbagh Square currently uses Infobox Civil Conflict, which is not appropriate for the page about the place. Thanks. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 16:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a courtesy note to inform the participants of this WikiProject of a discussion currently taking place at Talk:List of cities and towns in Russia by population. A suggestion has been made to remove the entities with the population of fewer than 100,000 from the list and to rename the article. Additionally, it was proposed to replace the reference (currently the official Census results) with an English-language list hosted on the http://citypopulation.de website (a discussion thread regarding the merits of that source is open at WP:RS/N#City Population). Additional input would be welcome.— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); February 11, 2013; 16:14 (UTC)
Hello WP:Cities.
I've recently submitted a settlement article I've been working on for a peer review: Giffnock. If any of you are able to take a glance over it and point out some areas for improvement I'd greatly appreciate it. Cheers, Cabe 6403 ( Talk• Sign) 17:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
In New Vineyard, Maine the footnote section was called "Residents", so I fixed it following Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Standard appendices and footers. Later I noticed that there are several cities with the footnote section called "Residents": can I fix them? -- Basilicofresco ( msg) 09:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
The WikiProject Dutch municipalities is active again. CRwikiCA ( talk) 21:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
{{ Largest cities and metro areas of the United States}} & {{ Largest cities of the United States}} & {{ Largest cities of California}} have been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 03:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Your attention is called to this section, Use Mapping L.A. as reliable source?, which could use your expert input. GeorgeLouis ( talk) 16:03, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
It is my understanding that one of Celoron de Blainville's lead plates (claiming the area for France) was found in Celoron, NY; hence the name of the village. If this is true, this should be added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrstewart ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Should Istanbul's pre-Byzantine history be mentioned in the city's infobox? Newer research shows that Istanbul's historic peninsula had been inhabited longer than previously thought (newspaper article:
[1]; abstract of the journal article
[2]). Government of Istanbul also says the city is older than what the current infobox states
[3]. Basically, should this change be made in the article
[4]? Some editors are opposing this change, based on
tertiary sources such as encyclopedias,
[5] which predate newer research. Note that no one is suggesting removing anything from the current infobox, just adding more information for a more complete portrayal of city's history.
See:
Talk:Istanbul#RFC
Cavann (
talk) 21:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
The article about Iquitos on Wikipedia in English could be expanded with data of Iquitos in Wikipedia in Spanish. The article in Spanish has been expanded with a lot of information and could be translated to be put in the article in English. I was adding information for some time, but I realized that it would need help to nourish the article about the city, including its sub-articles. I placed a maintenance template above the lead stating that the article requires translation from Spanish. -- Percy Meza ( talk) 21:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
{{ Largest cities of the United Kingdom}} has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 23:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
File:Cervinara-Stemma.png has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 00:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I am here to inform you of this discussion regarding Arkyan's 2007 maps of US cities. That will be all. — TORTOISE WRATH 01:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
It's so nice to talk on the talk page !!Good communication !! But speaking and listening are better ways to communicate !!!! Don't you think so ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.126.194 ( talk) 20:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion and a vote happening at the weatherbox to determine which colours should be used. Since different cities use the template with different colours (green or blue), there should be a discussion on it in order to reach a consensus, given that this template is widely used in almost all major city articles. There should be more opinions from other users in order to reach a consensus. Ssbbplayer ( talk) 20:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Comments from WikiProject Cities editors could be helpful in resolving this dispute and achieving consensus on this issue. Ssbbplayer ( talk) 18:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I have posted a request for comment on the Dodge City, Kansas article talk page: Talk:Dodge_City,_Kansas#Inclusion_of_the_daily_mean_in_the_Climate_section_weather_box_table. User:Guerrilla of the Renmin and I are in dispute over whether or not:
Comments from WikiProject Cities editors could be helpful in resolving this dispute and achieving consensus on this issue. FUBAR007 ( talk) 14:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a request for comments open about the lead section of the Jerusalem article, and all editors are welcome to give their opinions. The dispute over the lead section is one of the oldest on Wikipedia, dating back to 2003, and focuses on whether or not it is neutral to say that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The discussion was mandated by the Arbitration Committee, and its result will be binding for three years. The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and will be open until 22 June 2013 (UTC). — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
In the scope it reads; "Cities" include municipalities and other civil divisions, including cities, towns, villages, hamlets, townships, unincorporated communities, sections of municipalities, and neighborhoods. Well this is something which I find hard to grasp. How can we see the names of NY City and a small hamlet in the very same list ? There must a be a lower limit of the concept of city and those settlements which fail to satisfy this creteria should be eliminated. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 18:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Nedim, you've been around Wikipedia long enough to know we don't just pick a number out of thin air. Unless you have some source that actually demonstrates a widely accepted distinction between city and municipality, I don't know what you are asking of us. I have been working with the city project for a long time and have never seen such a source. Additionally, I don't see that you have made any argument as to why the scope is too big other than you "find it hard to grasp". The link I provided above to the city page discuses the very issue of non-specificity of the term. I personally find the scope fine in that every article page that fits in that list should have the same page format and be guided by the same Wikiproject. -- Dkriegls ( talk to me!) 05:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
WikiProject members may be interesting in commenting on this issue.-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 14:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Are US Counties within the scope of this project? Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 16:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
No. A county is not the same thing as a city. As there are already an overwhelmingly large amount of cities, large and small, in this project, including counties would be a clusterf**k of epic proportions. I would recommend against their inclusion. WTF? ( talk) 19:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like to formally propose that the Sister cities section be removed from guidelines for city and settlement articles. Unfortunately, a good number of major city articles have extensive lists of sister or partner cities (often unsourced), with no indication of what makes them important. The sister city and partner city designation is already largely meaningless for many municipalities, and if nothing more can be said than "These are a list of this city's sister cities and partners:", they should not be included directly in the article. Without any suggestion of actual notable cooperation with sister cities, the section provides no information that helps readers understand the city better and clutters the article. So, instead I suggest the article have a link in the See also section to the relevant List of sister cities of X article (where X is the city itself or the state, country, or continent where the city is located). -- tariqabjotu 15:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Through this way, I inform I inform there is a discussion at WT:Disambiguation about partially disambiguated titles, known as " PDABs". This subguide of WP:D affects articles in this WikiProject, ( Cork (city) and New York (city) have been mentioned in the past). There you can give ideas or thoughts about what to do with this guideline. Note this discussion is not to modify any aspect of this WikiProject naming conventions. Thanks. Tbhotch. ™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Need help with Talk:Cape_Canaveral,_Florida#50th_anniversary.2C_51st.2C_52nd.2C_etc.. Thanks. Student7 ( talk) 12:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I am a newcomer to Wikipedia Talk, and a foreigner (British) to boot. I was reading the Wikipedia article about Bridgehampton, N.Y., and was very surprised to find that nowhere was it mentioned that the hamlet (village?) of that name is physically situated on Long Island. Everything administrative, historical and official was provided, including its location in Suffolk County, N.Y. But the more glaringly obvious physical fact of Long Island was tacitly ignored. Even the small-scale census map provided failed to include the name Long Island. Am I alone in finding that (a) perverse and (b) unhelpful to Wikipedia users? Is it part of a general Wikipedia policy?
William Longland — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Longland ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
FYI, Downtown ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was mentioned as the topic of a school assignment at [6] by Zarishasif ( talk · contribs) ; so you may want to check for changes to the article in the next while.-- 65.92.181.39 ( talk) 22:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
There's a move request to place Lorca at Lorca, Spain to avoid ambiguity of the title with Federico García Lorca. Diego ( talk) 09:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
There apparently was a dog bite case in the above town a few months back that attracted some attention from Inside Edition. Some local editors have grabbed onto it and have been pushing for a large section regarding it in the above article. It seems so silly to me, but apparently I am about the only one from outside the town that watches the article. Could some experienced city-article editors please stop by the talk page and offer an opinion and possibly make an appropriate edit? Thanks. Gtwfan52 ( talk) 03:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Durham NC is also located in Orange county in addition to Durham and Wake 71.20.227.177 ( talk) 23:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
There has been an ongoing debate at Steubenville, Ohio about the relative weight a current event should have in a settlement article. The city article guidelines do not address this. If anyone would care to participate in the discussion, please see Talk:Steubenville, Ohio. Perhaps the outcome there could be used to add something to the city article guidelines on the subject. John from Idegon ( talk) 23:53, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me we have too many world population lists i.e. List of urban agglomerations by population (United Nations), List of cities proper by population, World's largest municipalities by population, List of agglomerations by population and List of urban areas by population. Whilst it is accepted that these are not all measuring the same thing and that there will be differences between city limits and wider urban areas, do we really need 5 separate articles for this. Could the metropolitan/urban area/agglomeration lists be combined into one article? Perhaps this topic has been discussed before? Eldumpo ( talk) 14:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I've made a post at World's largest municipalities by population about redirect/merge. Post there if you want to make specific comments, or if you agree with the proposal you could start merging sourced comments. Eldumpo ( talk) 21:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
P.S.: I have not been editing World's largest municipalities by population for a while. I just notice that for the second time, large parts of the article have been wiped out by the same editor:
And:
If the article sounded ridiculous, now you know why. Restored. BsBsBs ( talk) 19:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)-
Some discussion is occurring at [7] regarding merging the metro list into the city proper list, although there are only two of us in the discussion, so need more input. I will direct the other people who originally posted above to the discussion. Eldumpo ( talk) 19:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
My comment.
World's largest municipalities by population would not be needed and would be immediately deleted if List of cities proper by population would be a List of cities proper by population. Sadly, it is not. You don't even have to read the data. All you have to do is read its introduction. It admits that List of cities proper by population is in total violation of Wikipedia's core principles. To wit:
The reader assumes to get a list of populations within the boundaries of cities.
The reader again assumes to get a list of populations within the boundaries of cities.
However, should the reader proceed (most have long skipped the intro and headed to the list), the reader will find a surprise.
The authors admit that they mislead the reader. Why compile a list, if its list definition is misleading? The article claims that the world's demographers, who, under the auspices of the United Nation, year after year agree that the population of a city proper is "the population living within the administrative boundaries of a city" are misleading us.
Definition of “traditional city proper?" Do "World Urbanization Prospects." or the many given sources for “city proper” say it is not allowed to contain suburban and rural areas? No, they don’t. Sure, Chinese cities traditionally have wider boundaries than those in North Dakota, or that of Soldier, Kansas (thank you for that). There are no right or wrong cities. Only different ones. The “traditional city proper” is a (misguided) POV of the authors.
So that’s the reason. We fudge the inclusion criteria to discredit cities of a certain country.
This list contradicts its stated goal. By using different criteria, a reasonable comparison is no longer possible. And why doesn't it rename itself to "List of primarily urban localities by population"?
And finally, complete nonsense. The boundaries of cities always are those of municipalities, because a city, a village, a hamlet, or a whole city state all are municipalities.
It is accepted among geographers and demographers that “city proper”, “urban agglomeration”, and “metropolitan area” are the three basic concepts used to define urban areas and their populations, and that they may not be confused. List of cities proper by population confuses the basic concepts, and the reader.
It uses highly questionable Original Research to push an admitted POV. Its claims are not verifiable. The list fails all three of Wikipedia’s core content policies. BsBsBs ( talk) 16:41, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Apparently, I should have posted here, in "talk", rather than editing the Albany, Vermont "History" section. My apologies. I just wanted to note that there was a "History of Albany, Vermont, 1806-1991" published (circa 1992?), edited by Virginia Wharton. I am attempting to find out if the Vermont Historical Society has a copy of this book and some formal reference. Trlong01 ( talk) 15:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Is the capital of the Northern Mariana Islands " Capital Hill" or " Capitol Hill"? Please weigh in at Talk:Capital Hill, Saipan if you care. — AjaxSmack 22:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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I took a picture of a sign when driving into Mount Morris that reads "Welcome to Mount Morris NY - Home of Pledge of Allegiance - Founded 1794". - Indeed on this page it shows "Francis Bellamy, author of the Pledge of Allegiance was born there."
Would this be something we would add to this page? And if so what is the next step? Upload it somewhere and update this with the link? I have a full version (8MP). JHolicky ( talk) 15:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Realized after I wasn't posting to the actual link. I need to spend more time and review the WikiProject Cities concept. JHolicky ( talk) 15:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Having worked on a fair number of city and settlement articles over the 8 years I've been a Wikipedian, I have come to wonder why we recommend that the History section precedes the Geography section. Clearly (physical) geography is often a heavy influence on the history of a place and, as a consequence I find myself having to write about the geography of a place in the history section, in order to explain the history, or putting in clumsy and hard to read forward references.
Changing the order of these two sections would remove this need, or enable a much briefer description referring back to the description in the preceding section. As physical geography is rarely dependent on history, this would not introduce the opposite problem. Obviously that isn't true for other branches of geography, but generally WP covers these in other sections (demographics, economy, transport, etc).
So would it be a good idea to change the recommendation to have geography first?. Obviously this would leave us with lots of articles in the old order, but I don't see that as a huge problem. They could be left to gradually change as they are worked on, or even to stay as they are. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 13:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
(Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 14:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC))
I've started a RfM on a page under this WikiProject.
Briefly: The suggestion is to move Prypiat -> Pripyat. The town in the Chernobyl Exlcusion Zone is much more predominantly known as with the Pripyat spelling.
I would just move this myself, but the has come up before, and there's a small amount of back-and-forth editing on the age, so I thought an RfM best.
Input very welcome. Discussion here: Talk:Prypiat#RFM to Pripyat (with better justification & references) -- Cooper42( Talk)( Contr) 03:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
FYI, talk:Castle town has a discussion on what the coverage of this article should be. -- 70.24.247.127 ( talk) 07:22, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Has a consensus been established for policy regarding outdated census numbers in city articles? For example, most U.S. city articles which have been updated with the 2010 demographic information replace/remove the 2000 numbers. However, some articles keep both sets of numbers, and attempts to remove the 2000 Census info after the article is updated with 2010 demographics are reverted.-- Chimino ( talk) 09:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
All's in the title : Wikipedia:Featured article review/Detroit/archive1. Thanks for your attention, Esprit Fugace ( talk) 20:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I think that every FA-class city article I've looked at leaves out basic information that would make me oppose them at GA, let alone FA. I've raised the subject for review. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 16:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion taking place at the above page which may be of interest to members of this project. Gtwfan52 ( talk) 18:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
As I've been updating US places to the 2010 census data I've been seeing a lot of confusion about which value should be used for the standard boilerplate sentence "There were X households out of which Y% had children under the age of 18 living with them", and in turn this is making me confused about which value I should be using. When you look at the data the census provides there is a entry called "With own children under 18 years" which is the value some people are using and then there is a entry called "Households with individuals under 18 years" that other people are using. These two numbers are only the same for places with a very small population. I believe the difference is that the second value accounts for situations similar to a grandparent raising their grandchild or people who do foster care, and the first value is the % of households with a parent raising their kids. I originally used the first value, but have since switched to the second one and changed the old pages I had edited to the second value as well. I feel that the sentence implies all households so it shouldn't just be the percentage of family households with kids, but am I mistaken is believing this and using that value? As I said before I've seen other editors using both values so is there a standard on which one is correct? Jamo2008 ( talk) 20:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Here is an example for both cases, I did not write the 2010 census section for either one of these pages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Farmingdale,_Maine&oldid=530922121 This is an older version, I changed the value this morning and it was after doing that I started to worry that I could be wrong about which value I was using, but as you can see it uses the 28.8%, which is the value for "With own children under 18 years".
Corvallis, Oregon uses the "Households with individuals under 18 years" value.
Jamo2008 (
talk) 20:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
In the Demographics section, the first line in the last paragraph (concerning median family income) reads, "...median income for a family is 3 cows, 7 goats and 29 sheep."
I edited this page last night, and the bot kicked it out. I protested the bot's choice but it seems to want the upper hand! Any chance a human on your staff could rewrite that line to help raise the article's credibility?
Thanks!
97.89.62.71 ( talk) 13:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)Mark Mattoon, 01/08/2013
PS. Please understand that I love Wikipedia!
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There is a discussion on whether any city should be described as the 'financial capital of the world' at Talk:World_financial_capital. Because of a limited number of editors, we are struggling to come to a consensus about anything, so we would warmly welcome and encourage any editors from this project to take part. Regards, -- ThunderingTyphoons! ( talk) 15:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, can someone advise whether there is an infobox template appropriate to use with a city square? Shahbagh Square currently uses Infobox Civil Conflict, which is not appropriate for the page about the place. Thanks. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 16:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a courtesy note to inform the participants of this WikiProject of a discussion currently taking place at Talk:List of cities and towns in Russia by population. A suggestion has been made to remove the entities with the population of fewer than 100,000 from the list and to rename the article. Additionally, it was proposed to replace the reference (currently the official Census results) with an English-language list hosted on the http://citypopulation.de website (a discussion thread regarding the merits of that source is open at WP:RS/N#City Population). Additional input would be welcome.— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); February 11, 2013; 16:14 (UTC)
Hello WP:Cities.
I've recently submitted a settlement article I've been working on for a peer review: Giffnock. If any of you are able to take a glance over it and point out some areas for improvement I'd greatly appreciate it. Cheers, Cabe 6403 ( Talk• Sign) 17:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
In New Vineyard, Maine the footnote section was called "Residents", so I fixed it following Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Standard appendices and footers. Later I noticed that there are several cities with the footnote section called "Residents": can I fix them? -- Basilicofresco ( msg) 09:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
The WikiProject Dutch municipalities is active again. CRwikiCA ( talk) 21:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
{{ Largest cities and metro areas of the United States}} & {{ Largest cities of the United States}} & {{ Largest cities of California}} have been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 03:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Your attention is called to this section, Use Mapping L.A. as reliable source?, which could use your expert input. GeorgeLouis ( talk) 16:03, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
It is my understanding that one of Celoron de Blainville's lead plates (claiming the area for France) was found in Celoron, NY; hence the name of the village. If this is true, this should be added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrstewart ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Should Istanbul's pre-Byzantine history be mentioned in the city's infobox? Newer research shows that Istanbul's historic peninsula had been inhabited longer than previously thought (newspaper article:
[1]; abstract of the journal article
[2]). Government of Istanbul also says the city is older than what the current infobox states
[3]. Basically, should this change be made in the article
[4]? Some editors are opposing this change, based on
tertiary sources such as encyclopedias,
[5] which predate newer research. Note that no one is suggesting removing anything from the current infobox, just adding more information for a more complete portrayal of city's history.
See:
Talk:Istanbul#RFC
Cavann (
talk) 21:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
The article about Iquitos on Wikipedia in English could be expanded with data of Iquitos in Wikipedia in Spanish. The article in Spanish has been expanded with a lot of information and could be translated to be put in the article in English. I was adding information for some time, but I realized that it would need help to nourish the article about the city, including its sub-articles. I placed a maintenance template above the lead stating that the article requires translation from Spanish. -- Percy Meza ( talk) 21:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
{{ Largest cities of the United Kingdom}} has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 23:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
File:Cervinara-Stemma.png has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 ( talk) 00:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I am here to inform you of this discussion regarding Arkyan's 2007 maps of US cities. That will be all. — TORTOISE WRATH 01:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
It's so nice to talk on the talk page !!Good communication !! But speaking and listening are better ways to communicate !!!! Don't you think so ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.126.194 ( talk) 20:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion and a vote happening at the weatherbox to determine which colours should be used. Since different cities use the template with different colours (green or blue), there should be a discussion on it in order to reach a consensus, given that this template is widely used in almost all major city articles. There should be more opinions from other users in order to reach a consensus. Ssbbplayer ( talk) 20:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Comments from WikiProject Cities editors could be helpful in resolving this dispute and achieving consensus on this issue. Ssbbplayer ( talk) 18:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I have posted a request for comment on the Dodge City, Kansas article talk page: Talk:Dodge_City,_Kansas#Inclusion_of_the_daily_mean_in_the_Climate_section_weather_box_table. User:Guerrilla of the Renmin and I are in dispute over whether or not:
Comments from WikiProject Cities editors could be helpful in resolving this dispute and achieving consensus on this issue. FUBAR007 ( talk) 14:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a request for comments open about the lead section of the Jerusalem article, and all editors are welcome to give their opinions. The dispute over the lead section is one of the oldest on Wikipedia, dating back to 2003, and focuses on whether or not it is neutral to say that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The discussion was mandated by the Arbitration Committee, and its result will be binding for three years. The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and will be open until 22 June 2013 (UTC). — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
In the scope it reads; "Cities" include municipalities and other civil divisions, including cities, towns, villages, hamlets, townships, unincorporated communities, sections of municipalities, and neighborhoods. Well this is something which I find hard to grasp. How can we see the names of NY City and a small hamlet in the very same list ? There must a be a lower limit of the concept of city and those settlements which fail to satisfy this creteria should be eliminated. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 18:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Nedim, you've been around Wikipedia long enough to know we don't just pick a number out of thin air. Unless you have some source that actually demonstrates a widely accepted distinction between city and municipality, I don't know what you are asking of us. I have been working with the city project for a long time and have never seen such a source. Additionally, I don't see that you have made any argument as to why the scope is too big other than you "find it hard to grasp". The link I provided above to the city page discuses the very issue of non-specificity of the term. I personally find the scope fine in that every article page that fits in that list should have the same page format and be guided by the same Wikiproject. -- Dkriegls ( talk to me!) 05:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
WikiProject members may be interesting in commenting on this issue.-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 14:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Are US Counties within the scope of this project? Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 16:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
No. A county is not the same thing as a city. As there are already an overwhelmingly large amount of cities, large and small, in this project, including counties would be a clusterf**k of epic proportions. I would recommend against their inclusion. WTF? ( talk) 19:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like to formally propose that the Sister cities section be removed from guidelines for city and settlement articles. Unfortunately, a good number of major city articles have extensive lists of sister or partner cities (often unsourced), with no indication of what makes them important. The sister city and partner city designation is already largely meaningless for many municipalities, and if nothing more can be said than "These are a list of this city's sister cities and partners:", they should not be included directly in the article. Without any suggestion of actual notable cooperation with sister cities, the section provides no information that helps readers understand the city better and clutters the article. So, instead I suggest the article have a link in the See also section to the relevant List of sister cities of X article (where X is the city itself or the state, country, or continent where the city is located). -- tariqabjotu 15:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Through this way, I inform I inform there is a discussion at WT:Disambiguation about partially disambiguated titles, known as " PDABs". This subguide of WP:D affects articles in this WikiProject, ( Cork (city) and New York (city) have been mentioned in the past). There you can give ideas or thoughts about what to do with this guideline. Note this discussion is not to modify any aspect of this WikiProject naming conventions. Thanks. Tbhotch. ™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Need help with Talk:Cape_Canaveral,_Florida#50th_anniversary.2C_51st.2C_52nd.2C_etc.. Thanks. Student7 ( talk) 12:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I am a newcomer to Wikipedia Talk, and a foreigner (British) to boot. I was reading the Wikipedia article about Bridgehampton, N.Y., and was very surprised to find that nowhere was it mentioned that the hamlet (village?) of that name is physically situated on Long Island. Everything administrative, historical and official was provided, including its location in Suffolk County, N.Y. But the more glaringly obvious physical fact of Long Island was tacitly ignored. Even the small-scale census map provided failed to include the name Long Island. Am I alone in finding that (a) perverse and (b) unhelpful to Wikipedia users? Is it part of a general Wikipedia policy?
William Longland — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Longland ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
FYI, Downtown ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was mentioned as the topic of a school assignment at [6] by Zarishasif ( talk · contribs) ; so you may want to check for changes to the article in the next while.-- 65.92.181.39 ( talk) 22:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
There's a move request to place Lorca at Lorca, Spain to avoid ambiguity of the title with Federico García Lorca. Diego ( talk) 09:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
There apparently was a dog bite case in the above town a few months back that attracted some attention from Inside Edition. Some local editors have grabbed onto it and have been pushing for a large section regarding it in the above article. It seems so silly to me, but apparently I am about the only one from outside the town that watches the article. Could some experienced city-article editors please stop by the talk page and offer an opinion and possibly make an appropriate edit? Thanks. Gtwfan52 ( talk) 03:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Durham NC is also located in Orange county in addition to Durham and Wake 71.20.227.177 ( talk) 23:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
There has been an ongoing debate at Steubenville, Ohio about the relative weight a current event should have in a settlement article. The city article guidelines do not address this. If anyone would care to participate in the discussion, please see Talk:Steubenville, Ohio. Perhaps the outcome there could be used to add something to the city article guidelines on the subject. John from Idegon ( talk) 23:53, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me we have too many world population lists i.e. List of urban agglomerations by population (United Nations), List of cities proper by population, World's largest municipalities by population, List of agglomerations by population and List of urban areas by population. Whilst it is accepted that these are not all measuring the same thing and that there will be differences between city limits and wider urban areas, do we really need 5 separate articles for this. Could the metropolitan/urban area/agglomeration lists be combined into one article? Perhaps this topic has been discussed before? Eldumpo ( talk) 14:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I've made a post at World's largest municipalities by population about redirect/merge. Post there if you want to make specific comments, or if you agree with the proposal you could start merging sourced comments. Eldumpo ( talk) 21:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
P.S.: I have not been editing World's largest municipalities by population for a while. I just notice that for the second time, large parts of the article have been wiped out by the same editor:
And:
If the article sounded ridiculous, now you know why. Restored. BsBsBs ( talk) 19:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)-
Some discussion is occurring at [7] regarding merging the metro list into the city proper list, although there are only two of us in the discussion, so need more input. I will direct the other people who originally posted above to the discussion. Eldumpo ( talk) 19:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
My comment.
World's largest municipalities by population would not be needed and would be immediately deleted if List of cities proper by population would be a List of cities proper by population. Sadly, it is not. You don't even have to read the data. All you have to do is read its introduction. It admits that List of cities proper by population is in total violation of Wikipedia's core principles. To wit:
The reader assumes to get a list of populations within the boundaries of cities.
The reader again assumes to get a list of populations within the boundaries of cities.
However, should the reader proceed (most have long skipped the intro and headed to the list), the reader will find a surprise.
The authors admit that they mislead the reader. Why compile a list, if its list definition is misleading? The article claims that the world's demographers, who, under the auspices of the United Nation, year after year agree that the population of a city proper is "the population living within the administrative boundaries of a city" are misleading us.
Definition of “traditional city proper?" Do "World Urbanization Prospects." or the many given sources for “city proper” say it is not allowed to contain suburban and rural areas? No, they don’t. Sure, Chinese cities traditionally have wider boundaries than those in North Dakota, or that of Soldier, Kansas (thank you for that). There are no right or wrong cities. Only different ones. The “traditional city proper” is a (misguided) POV of the authors.
So that’s the reason. We fudge the inclusion criteria to discredit cities of a certain country.
This list contradicts its stated goal. By using different criteria, a reasonable comparison is no longer possible. And why doesn't it rename itself to "List of primarily urban localities by population"?
And finally, complete nonsense. The boundaries of cities always are those of municipalities, because a city, a village, a hamlet, or a whole city state all are municipalities.
It is accepted among geographers and demographers that “city proper”, “urban agglomeration”, and “metropolitan area” are the three basic concepts used to define urban areas and their populations, and that they may not be confused. List of cities proper by population confuses the basic concepts, and the reader.
It uses highly questionable Original Research to push an admitted POV. Its claims are not verifiable. The list fails all three of Wikipedia’s core content policies. BsBsBs ( talk) 16:41, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Apparently, I should have posted here, in "talk", rather than editing the Albany, Vermont "History" section. My apologies. I just wanted to note that there was a "History of Albany, Vermont, 1806-1991" published (circa 1992?), edited by Virginia Wharton. I am attempting to find out if the Vermont Historical Society has a copy of this book and some formal reference. Trlong01 ( talk) 15:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Is the capital of the Northern Mariana Islands " Capital Hill" or " Capitol Hill"? Please weigh in at Talk:Capital Hill, Saipan if you care. — AjaxSmack 22:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)