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Apologies if this has been discussed before — it was hard to search for and I didn't find anything. If there is in fact already a guideline or consensus about this please point me to it.
Per WP:THEBAND, we don't capitalize "the" in band names. So we write the Beatles, not The Beatles. However, this appears to be contradicted by many article titles, such as Strength (The Alarm album) or Friend of a Friend (The Smile song).
And sometimes we omit "the" entirely. For example, Stop (Spice Girls song) or Stoned (Rolling Stones song).
So the possibilities seem to be:
Strength (The Alarm album)
Strength (the Alarm album)
Strength (Alarm album)
What do we do?
Note: I'm not necessarily saying that if we decide one way or another we should then go and fix all these hundreds of articles as a matter of priority. I'm just saying we should probably make a conscious decision about how we handle this and then apply that when we can. Popcornfud ( talk) 12:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
The disambiguation matching the the respective article title feels like a valid reason to me.
Drop the where it is awkward, as when the band name is used as a modifier: a Moody Blues song, several Beatles albums. Your claim is also linguistically faulty; "the" never "acts as ... a noun", with perhaps the sole exception of the second "The" in the band name the The. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Whether it should be "Strength (Alarm album)" or "Strength (the Alarm album)" would be a WP:CONSISTENT policy matter, really, combined with WP:CONCISE, plus MOS:THEBAND being against use of a leading "the" when the band name is used adjectivally – and putting a "the" (or "The") in there is also against the WP:DAB guideline, too. I see Revolver (Beatles album), Something New (Beatles album), Dirty Work (Rolling Stones album), Undercover (Rolling Stones album), Blue & Lonesome (Rolling Stones album), Aftermath (Rolling Stones album), and many, many more; there's an exception to this pattern at Endless Wire (The Who album), probably because of the amiguity of the word "Who". There are some other "the" or "The" cases, though; the more obscure the band gets, the more likely there is to be a "The" in there, against both the capitalization and DAB guidelines and against the concision policy, simply because fans do what fans do, and few other editors notice. Some examples are The Remixes (The Stone Roses album), Born Innocent (The Proclaimers album), and The Peel Sessions (The Jesus and Mary Chain EP); these need to move to the concise forms. Once in a while there's even inconsistency for the same band: The Present (Moody Blues album) and Strange Times (Moody Blues album), but December (The Moody Blues album). There's no reason for a "the" much less a "The" in any of these cases, with the rare exception of an intolerable ambiguity, as with the Who. But the "(The ...)" problem is even more prevalent when it comes to songs instead of albums, and there are way more of them.
Anyway, this mess could probably be cleaned up with a very large mass-RM; most cases of this stuff can be found with a search on intitle:/\([tT]he [A-Za-z0-9\u00C0-\u00FF ,–\-\.\/']+ (?:album|ep|single|song)\)/ (slow, and it may have to be tried more than once after waiting a while due to timeouts, or maybe broken up alphabetically if it always times out, e.g. with intitle:/\([tT]he [Aa][A-Za-z0-9\u00C0-\u00FF ,–\-\.\/']+ (?:album|ep|single|song)\)/ and so on). I tried [\S ]+ and (?:\S| )+ in place of the [...]+ stuff to be inclusive of more punctuation and other non-alphanumeric characters, but our search's regex doesn't appear to support the \S syntax, so this is not catching cases that have other punctuation marks or Unicode outside the range of alphanumerics and accented Latin-alphabet letters. To find all the opposite cases, without a leading "the" or "The" in the disambiguator, the following will work but will also time out, and it will be extra-huge because it matches all the acts that don't use "the" at all, like "Fleetwood Mac" and "Ice-T": intitle:/\([^(?:The |the )][A-Za-z0-9\u00C0-\u00FF ,–\-\.\/']+ (?:album|ep|single|song)\)/. In both search cases, a vast number of the results are redirects, as we'd expect. The HTML source of the results pages can be parsed in an external tool for the regex /data-serp-pos="[0-9]+">((?:[^<])*)<span class="searchmatch">(\([tT]he [^\)]*\))/ to get at the matches that aren't redirects. A copy-paste of the rendered page content of the search results can be parsed for matches in a similar way with a regex of /[0-9]{4}\r\n([^\(]*)(\([tT]he [^\)]*\))/, though that might need tweaking depending on which browser one copy-pasted from, and what the line-ending format is on the system it is run on. There may be some external tool for searching up a list of WP pages by regular expression that would be more efficient for finding them all and building a list. There are probably limits on how many articles can be listed in one RM, so we'd probably need to have a couple of big ones for each article "type" (albums, songs, etc.), when consensus is clear to make them more concise, then have a bot or something do all the rest of them automatically as no longer controversial. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
We do not write "Jane Smith (Biologist)"; there is no principle to upper-case the first letter of something in a disambiguation string".
Wikipedia does not treat "the" as a proper noun in band names. Bands are instead treated the same as, eg, "the White House" or "the Eiffel Tower".I was talking about capitalizing "the", not about whether "the" should be included in article titles. @ Koavf wrote that "The Rolling Stones" is a proper noun, but under Wikipedia style, only "Rolling Stones" is the proper noun, not "the". Popcornfud ( talk) 13:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Drop the where it is awkward, as when the band name is used as a modifier: a Moody Blues song, several Beatles albums". This discussion is about articles for Moody Blues songs and Beatles albums. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
I've alerted the fine folks at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages to this discussion which they may have some insight to. It's also worth noting that there are directions at WP:NCDAB, which say:
To conform to the naming conventions, the phrase in parentheses should be treated just as any other word in a title: normally lowercase, unless it is a proper noun (like a book title) that would appear capitalized even in running text.
That indicates to me that Option B: Strength (the Alarm album)
would be the choice. It's also how the band name would be used in a sentence, and article titles are in sentence case. I've always been surprised that Option A: Strength (The Alarm album)
is what is usually used. Thanks to @
Popcornfud: for bringing it up.
SchreiberBike |
⌨
03:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Drop the where it is awkward, as when the band name is used as a modifier: a Moody Blues song, several Beatles albums". I think we're much farther from having a consensus in favor of Option A than one for Option C. — BarrelProof ( talk) 21:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Related question but somewhat off-topic, so I created this subtopic. Would we treat "a" and "an" differently than "the"? For instance, if a band were called "A Moment to Remember" (pardon me for not being able to think of an actual band with an indefinite article name), we surely wouldn't call articles "Debut Album (a Moment to Remember)" or "Debut Album (Moment to Remember)" would we? Why is "the" treated differently? ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 21:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia), and it should be included in the parenthetical disambiguator as an integral name part. Just because a/an and the are both grammatical articles doesn't make them exactly equivalent in every way (same with prepositions: we treat longer ones differently from four-letter and shorter ones). "the band name being in parentheses makes it essentially a new sentence/statement" - No, it doesn't, or WP would have an order of magnitude more "(the Something)" or "(The Something)" instead of "(Something)" disambiguations. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
E.g. If a band were named "The Day Begins" (I'm sure some emo band is named this), is that different from "The Count Basie Orchestra"? I.e. the former is a kind of title that would be very weird to see as "Debut Album (Day Begins album)" versus "Debut Album (The Day Begins album)" or to see in running text "Dave Bass is the bassist for Day Begins" or "Dave Bass is the bassist for the Day Begins" would seem wrong, but "Dave Bass is the bassist for The Day Begins". Am I wrong here? ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 21:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Is Saving Country Music a reliable source? It is not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Time_Traveler_(album)&diff=next&oldid=1189490404 In case it is not, please remove it. Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 04:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Carolyn%27s_Boy&diff=prev&oldid=1208520864 this is also not listed. Should these be removed? If so, can someone please do so? Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 22:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, many old album pages look like database entries, including only an infobox, one introductory sentence and a track listing table. In my opinion, such pages should not be on Wikipedia because WP:NOTDIRECTORY, as they provide no content of encyclopedic value, nor give any indication of notability (appearance in charts, reviews, critical reception...). I have blanked and redirected some of these pages (here an example). I would like to hear the thoughts of more experienced editors on this, before I continue. Broc ( talk) 21:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I realized there is no " generally reliable source" for Italian albums. I would suggest adding Rockol [1] to the list, what do you think? Broc ( talk) 10:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Would you consider RARB a reliable source? The editors seem to be subject-matter experts, but anyone can submit works for review. Broc ( talk) 15:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Bootleg Series, Vol. 5: Freedom Jazz Dance#Requested move 26 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 18:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Red (Taylor Swift album)#Requested move 28 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 09:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:What the Dead Men Say (album)#Requested move 3 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Evermore (Taylor Swift album)#Requested move 5 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
The Allmusic review provided here is for an entirely different album titled "John Lee Hooker Sings Blues." Although the album titles are nearly identical, this review pertains to a release from a year earlier with different tracks. It's worth noting that "John Lee Hooker Sings THE Blues" has also been re-released as "Driftin' Thru Blues," featuring the same tracks but in a different order and with an alternate album cover. As for addressing the issue, I'm not permitted to remove the Allmusic link. However, it's crucial to acknowledge that the linked review corresponds to the wrong album. Unfortunately, the correct album link lacks a review.
So how do I proceed?
Wikipedia article: /info/en/?search=John_Lee_Hooker_Sings_the_Blues
Provided Link: https://www.allmusic.com/album/john-lee-hooker-sings-blues-mw0000081237
Correct link: https://www.allmusic.com/album/sings-the-blues-mw0004092150
Re-release: https://www.allmusic.com/album/driftin-thru-the-blues-mw0002226038
Phalanx70 ( talk) 17:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:See You Up There#Requested move 25 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 14:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Heads up that I've been meaning to make this for a while and finally did today: d:Wikidata:WikiProject Albums. Anyone who is interested in structured data about albums, please do join and help bring best practices and complete data to our sister project. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 22:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello everyone, it's been a while... various family issues meant I had to put all non-essential stuff on hold for most of 2023, including Wikipedia. Anyway, I've been thinking over a couple of things while I've been away, and one of them is the critical reception section in album articles. Many articles start this section with the sentence "The album received critical acclaim." But how useful is this statement? The truth of the matter is that the days when an album would get an absolute pasting (in the UK at least) in NME or Melody Maker are long gone, and it's tough nowadays to find a review for any album in any genre that is less than 6/10. The nature of journalism these days means that nobody wants to be over-critical of any record, resulting in bland reviews and high scores.
I had a look at the aggregate scores in Metacritic since 2020. From 2020 to 2023, there were a total of 1533 albums included. The number of albums that scored lower than the score needed for "general acclaim" is only 25, and only two scored lower than 50%. Most of us would consider an average rating of 70% or 7/10 to be a pretty solid rating, and 1413 albums achieved this, i.e. more than 92% of all the albums included on Metacritic so far this decade. So saying that an album received "critical acclaim" seems a pretty meaningless statement to me, as virtually all of them are acclaimed.
I can understand including the comment as part of the Metacritic rating, e.g. "The album has a rating of 67% on Metacritic, indicating 'general acclaim' on the website", because this is at least a verifiable statement. But is there any point in starting the section with such an OR statement, when it has almost no worth? And should we remove this opening statement from any album articles that include it? If an album is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, it was probably notable enough to receive good album reviews. In fact, it would be far more notable to mention the poor ratings of the 25 albums that dipped below the 60% score, as they are far rarer, or the ones that score 80%+ and receive "universal acclaim" on Metacritic. Richard3120 ( talk) 01:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Describing a film with superlatives such as "critically acclaimed" or "box-office bomb" is loaded language and an exceptional claim that must be attributed to multiple high-quality sources. Be wary of news headlines, which are not reliable sources, that may contain exaggerated or sensationalized claims not supported by the body of the source.(There's more at the link.) Popcornfud ( talk) 12:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the talk page about "Release history" table with four options rather than "[Record] Labels": "Distributor", "Licensee", "Marketer", "Promoter". Any contributions would be helpful. 183.171.123.25 ( talk) 12:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:When the Pawn...#Requested move 11 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. EggRoll97 ( talk) 22:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran that needs opinions regarding an edit war based on the singles in the infobox for the article. The discussion can be found at the article's talk page here. Thanks. HorrorLover555 ( talk) 03:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Apologies if this has been discussed before — it was hard to search for and I didn't find anything. If there is in fact already a guideline or consensus about this please point me to it.
Per WP:THEBAND, we don't capitalize "the" in band names. So we write the Beatles, not The Beatles. However, this appears to be contradicted by many article titles, such as Strength (The Alarm album) or Friend of a Friend (The Smile song).
And sometimes we omit "the" entirely. For example, Stop (Spice Girls song) or Stoned (Rolling Stones song).
So the possibilities seem to be:
Strength (The Alarm album)
Strength (the Alarm album)
Strength (Alarm album)
What do we do?
Note: I'm not necessarily saying that if we decide one way or another we should then go and fix all these hundreds of articles as a matter of priority. I'm just saying we should probably make a conscious decision about how we handle this and then apply that when we can. Popcornfud ( talk) 12:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
The disambiguation matching the the respective article title feels like a valid reason to me.
Drop the where it is awkward, as when the band name is used as a modifier: a Moody Blues song, several Beatles albums. Your claim is also linguistically faulty; "the" never "acts as ... a noun", with perhaps the sole exception of the second "The" in the band name the The. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Whether it should be "Strength (Alarm album)" or "Strength (the Alarm album)" would be a WP:CONSISTENT policy matter, really, combined with WP:CONCISE, plus MOS:THEBAND being against use of a leading "the" when the band name is used adjectivally – and putting a "the" (or "The") in there is also against the WP:DAB guideline, too. I see Revolver (Beatles album), Something New (Beatles album), Dirty Work (Rolling Stones album), Undercover (Rolling Stones album), Blue & Lonesome (Rolling Stones album), Aftermath (Rolling Stones album), and many, many more; there's an exception to this pattern at Endless Wire (The Who album), probably because of the amiguity of the word "Who". There are some other "the" or "The" cases, though; the more obscure the band gets, the more likely there is to be a "The" in there, against both the capitalization and DAB guidelines and against the concision policy, simply because fans do what fans do, and few other editors notice. Some examples are The Remixes (The Stone Roses album), Born Innocent (The Proclaimers album), and The Peel Sessions (The Jesus and Mary Chain EP); these need to move to the concise forms. Once in a while there's even inconsistency for the same band: The Present (Moody Blues album) and Strange Times (Moody Blues album), but December (The Moody Blues album). There's no reason for a "the" much less a "The" in any of these cases, with the rare exception of an intolerable ambiguity, as with the Who. But the "(The ...)" problem is even more prevalent when it comes to songs instead of albums, and there are way more of them.
Anyway, this mess could probably be cleaned up with a very large mass-RM; most cases of this stuff can be found with a search on intitle:/\([tT]he [A-Za-z0-9\u00C0-\u00FF ,–\-\.\/']+ (?:album|ep|single|song)\)/ (slow, and it may have to be tried more than once after waiting a while due to timeouts, or maybe broken up alphabetically if it always times out, e.g. with intitle:/\([tT]he [Aa][A-Za-z0-9\u00C0-\u00FF ,–\-\.\/']+ (?:album|ep|single|song)\)/ and so on). I tried [\S ]+ and (?:\S| )+ in place of the [...]+ stuff to be inclusive of more punctuation and other non-alphanumeric characters, but our search's regex doesn't appear to support the \S syntax, so this is not catching cases that have other punctuation marks or Unicode outside the range of alphanumerics and accented Latin-alphabet letters. To find all the opposite cases, without a leading "the" or "The" in the disambiguator, the following will work but will also time out, and it will be extra-huge because it matches all the acts that don't use "the" at all, like "Fleetwood Mac" and "Ice-T": intitle:/\([^(?:The |the )][A-Za-z0-9\u00C0-\u00FF ,–\-\.\/']+ (?:album|ep|single|song)\)/. In both search cases, a vast number of the results are redirects, as we'd expect. The HTML source of the results pages can be parsed in an external tool for the regex /data-serp-pos="[0-9]+">((?:[^<])*)<span class="searchmatch">(\([tT]he [^\)]*\))/ to get at the matches that aren't redirects. A copy-paste of the rendered page content of the search results can be parsed for matches in a similar way with a regex of /[0-9]{4}\r\n([^\(]*)(\([tT]he [^\)]*\))/, though that might need tweaking depending on which browser one copy-pasted from, and what the line-ending format is on the system it is run on. There may be some external tool for searching up a list of WP pages by regular expression that would be more efficient for finding them all and building a list. There are probably limits on how many articles can be listed in one RM, so we'd probably need to have a couple of big ones for each article "type" (albums, songs, etc.), when consensus is clear to make them more concise, then have a bot or something do all the rest of them automatically as no longer controversial. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
We do not write "Jane Smith (Biologist)"; there is no principle to upper-case the first letter of something in a disambiguation string".
Wikipedia does not treat "the" as a proper noun in band names. Bands are instead treated the same as, eg, "the White House" or "the Eiffel Tower".I was talking about capitalizing "the", not about whether "the" should be included in article titles. @ Koavf wrote that "The Rolling Stones" is a proper noun, but under Wikipedia style, only "Rolling Stones" is the proper noun, not "the". Popcornfud ( talk) 13:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Drop the where it is awkward, as when the band name is used as a modifier: a Moody Blues song, several Beatles albums". This discussion is about articles for Moody Blues songs and Beatles albums. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
I've alerted the fine folks at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages to this discussion which they may have some insight to. It's also worth noting that there are directions at WP:NCDAB, which say:
To conform to the naming conventions, the phrase in parentheses should be treated just as any other word in a title: normally lowercase, unless it is a proper noun (like a book title) that would appear capitalized even in running text.
That indicates to me that Option B: Strength (the Alarm album)
would be the choice. It's also how the band name would be used in a sentence, and article titles are in sentence case. I've always been surprised that Option A: Strength (The Alarm album)
is what is usually used. Thanks to @
Popcornfud: for bringing it up.
SchreiberBike |
⌨
03:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Drop the where it is awkward, as when the band name is used as a modifier: a Moody Blues song, several Beatles albums". I think we're much farther from having a consensus in favor of Option A than one for Option C. — BarrelProof ( talk) 21:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Related question but somewhat off-topic, so I created this subtopic. Would we treat "a" and "an" differently than "the"? For instance, if a band were called "A Moment to Remember" (pardon me for not being able to think of an actual band with an indefinite article name), we surely wouldn't call articles "Debut Album (a Moment to Remember)" or "Debut Album (Moment to Remember)" would we? Why is "the" treated differently? ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 21:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia), and it should be included in the parenthetical disambiguator as an integral name part. Just because a/an and the are both grammatical articles doesn't make them exactly equivalent in every way (same with prepositions: we treat longer ones differently from four-letter and shorter ones). "the band name being in parentheses makes it essentially a new sentence/statement" - No, it doesn't, or WP would have an order of magnitude more "(the Something)" or "(The Something)" instead of "(Something)" disambiguations. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
E.g. If a band were named "The Day Begins" (I'm sure some emo band is named this), is that different from "The Count Basie Orchestra"? I.e. the former is a kind of title that would be very weird to see as "Debut Album (Day Begins album)" versus "Debut Album (The Day Begins album)" or to see in running text "Dave Bass is the bassist for Day Begins" or "Dave Bass is the bassist for the Day Begins" would seem wrong, but "Dave Bass is the bassist for The Day Begins". Am I wrong here? ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 21:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Is Saving Country Music a reliable source? It is not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Time_Traveler_(album)&diff=next&oldid=1189490404 In case it is not, please remove it. Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 04:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Carolyn%27s_Boy&diff=prev&oldid=1208520864 this is also not listed. Should these be removed? If so, can someone please do so? Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 22:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, many old album pages look like database entries, including only an infobox, one introductory sentence and a track listing table. In my opinion, such pages should not be on Wikipedia because WP:NOTDIRECTORY, as they provide no content of encyclopedic value, nor give any indication of notability (appearance in charts, reviews, critical reception...). I have blanked and redirected some of these pages (here an example). I would like to hear the thoughts of more experienced editors on this, before I continue. Broc ( talk) 21:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I realized there is no " generally reliable source" for Italian albums. I would suggest adding Rockol [1] to the list, what do you think? Broc ( talk) 10:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Would you consider RARB a reliable source? The editors seem to be subject-matter experts, but anyone can submit works for review. Broc ( talk) 15:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Bootleg Series, Vol. 5: Freedom Jazz Dance#Requested move 26 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 18:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Red (Taylor Swift album)#Requested move 28 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 09:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:What the Dead Men Say (album)#Requested move 3 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Evermore (Taylor Swift album)#Requested move 5 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
The Allmusic review provided here is for an entirely different album titled "John Lee Hooker Sings Blues." Although the album titles are nearly identical, this review pertains to a release from a year earlier with different tracks. It's worth noting that "John Lee Hooker Sings THE Blues" has also been re-released as "Driftin' Thru Blues," featuring the same tracks but in a different order and with an alternate album cover. As for addressing the issue, I'm not permitted to remove the Allmusic link. However, it's crucial to acknowledge that the linked review corresponds to the wrong album. Unfortunately, the correct album link lacks a review.
So how do I proceed?
Wikipedia article: /info/en/?search=John_Lee_Hooker_Sings_the_Blues
Provided Link: https://www.allmusic.com/album/john-lee-hooker-sings-blues-mw0000081237
Correct link: https://www.allmusic.com/album/sings-the-blues-mw0004092150
Re-release: https://www.allmusic.com/album/driftin-thru-the-blues-mw0002226038
Phalanx70 ( talk) 17:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:See You Up There#Requested move 25 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky ( talk) 14:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Heads up that I've been meaning to make this for a while and finally did today: d:Wikidata:WikiProject Albums. Anyone who is interested in structured data about albums, please do join and help bring best practices and complete data to our sister project. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 22:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello everyone, it's been a while... various family issues meant I had to put all non-essential stuff on hold for most of 2023, including Wikipedia. Anyway, I've been thinking over a couple of things while I've been away, and one of them is the critical reception section in album articles. Many articles start this section with the sentence "The album received critical acclaim." But how useful is this statement? The truth of the matter is that the days when an album would get an absolute pasting (in the UK at least) in NME or Melody Maker are long gone, and it's tough nowadays to find a review for any album in any genre that is less than 6/10. The nature of journalism these days means that nobody wants to be over-critical of any record, resulting in bland reviews and high scores.
I had a look at the aggregate scores in Metacritic since 2020. From 2020 to 2023, there were a total of 1533 albums included. The number of albums that scored lower than the score needed for "general acclaim" is only 25, and only two scored lower than 50%. Most of us would consider an average rating of 70% or 7/10 to be a pretty solid rating, and 1413 albums achieved this, i.e. more than 92% of all the albums included on Metacritic so far this decade. So saying that an album received "critical acclaim" seems a pretty meaningless statement to me, as virtually all of them are acclaimed.
I can understand including the comment as part of the Metacritic rating, e.g. "The album has a rating of 67% on Metacritic, indicating 'general acclaim' on the website", because this is at least a verifiable statement. But is there any point in starting the section with such an OR statement, when it has almost no worth? And should we remove this opening statement from any album articles that include it? If an album is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, it was probably notable enough to receive good album reviews. In fact, it would be far more notable to mention the poor ratings of the 25 albums that dipped below the 60% score, as they are far rarer, or the ones that score 80%+ and receive "universal acclaim" on Metacritic. Richard3120 ( talk) 01:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Describing a film with superlatives such as "critically acclaimed" or "box-office bomb" is loaded language and an exceptional claim that must be attributed to multiple high-quality sources. Be wary of news headlines, which are not reliable sources, that may contain exaggerated or sensationalized claims not supported by the body of the source.(There's more at the link.) Popcornfud ( talk) 12:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the talk page about "Release history" table with four options rather than "[Record] Labels": "Distributor", "Licensee", "Marketer", "Promoter". Any contributions would be helpful. 183.171.123.25 ( talk) 12:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:When the Pawn...#Requested move 11 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. EggRoll97 ( talk) 22:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran that needs opinions regarding an edit war based on the singles in the infobox for the article. The discussion can be found at the article's talk page here. Thanks. HorrorLover555 ( talk) 03:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:And Here She Is ... Ann-Margret#Requested move 7 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 14:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)