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Medical procedures (80/115 articles) is way under quota. I think bandage is as vital as
Orthopedic cast
5.
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Very symbolic term for the medical field (suggested above).
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Wider category of the white coat above. 47 interwikis. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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We list
Pest (organism)
5 and all sorts of pest control methods such as
Pesticide
4,
Biological pest control
5, and specific chemicals for pest control.
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Not as popular as comparable aircraft of its era. Only 250 were built, compared to 500+ for
Airbus A300
5 and 400+ for
McDonnell Douglas DC-10
5.
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We list many instant messaging services (WhatsApp, Line, Telegram, WeChat, KakaoTalk) but not the main concept. KakaoTalk should be removed as it is only popular in South Korea.
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The scientific treatment of a concept well known in popular culture, not to be confused with Space travel in science fiction. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Just in case, I'm going to do this in conservative batches, starting with 10 that are all stubs:
-- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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A very common type of building around the world which are used by thousands of people at a time.
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Some more really niche entries, maybe more appropriate for a dictionary than an encyclopedia:
I plan to propose cutting more, but may want to swap some general articles in before those. -- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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Since we added Fire hydrant, we should add this as well, which is just as important.
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Same logic as with fire engine above, common concept, easily recognizable, vital at this level. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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Ternary numeral system,
Quaternary numeral system,
Quinary,
Octal,
Duodecimal, and possibly
Vigesimal and
Hexadecimal
5 should be removed from this list; there are many more important mathematics topics which could be added instead.
Binary number
4 and
Sexagesimal
5 are particularly important (especially historically) and should be kept. –
jacobolus
(t)
04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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As
Exercise
3 is level 3, the two basic types of exercises should at least be level 5. Aerobic exercise includes lower intensity exercises like
jogging, cycling, rowing and
walking, while anaerobic includes
HIIT and
strength training. And we are nearly 200 articles under quota in health and medicine so space is not an issue.
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Could also go somewhere under everyday life, but fits well under
Container
4, with
Box
5 next to
Coffin
5,
Crate
5 and
Wooden box
5. For most modern people it has replaced the latter two. We see them every day. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
15:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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This set of subjects was nominated on 18 November 2020 (UTC). That nomination achieved a 3-2 consensus that was not enacted prior to being archived. At Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5#Handling_discussions_that_were_archived_without_closure_even_though_a_quorum_had_been_achieved, there was no consensus to retroactively enact this consensus. Thus, I am renominating this. The original nominator was User:Feminist. The other discussants were Support: User:Hanif Al Husaini and User:Hyperbolick and Oppose: User:C933103 and User:RekishiEJ.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Per
Piotrus: Perhaps this is the most historically significant netbook, but frankly, I am not even concerned that netbook itself should be V5.
Per
Steve Jobs: "netbooks aren’t better at anything." They were popular for around five years but were quickly displaced by tablets and later Chromebooks.
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Subset of machine learning that is the basis for every single ML breakthrough of the last 15 years. Has allowed us to achieve insane performance gains in tasks such as image classification ( AlexNet), natural language processing (everything from word2vec to ChatGPT), and any other ML task you can name. Closely related to Artificial neural network but it is the breakthrough of being able to stack these networks in ways that still allowed models to train performantly that has been responsible for the recent AI boom that has impacted every industry.
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In my mind, these 5 concepts are more dictionary entries than encyclopedic ones:
I actually added 3 of these last year before the proposals picked up, but that was a quota-hitting exercise. After thinking on it though, I'd like to see the Units list and eventually the quota for the Basics section cut back. Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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All of these 14 articles appear to be lists, even if not marked as such by icon:
-- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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A client for BitTorrent with just
6.6% market share. Listing
BitTorrent
5, the file sharing protocol, is enough at this level.
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8th most viewed out of all articles on fabrics last year (the most-viewed fabric we don't list after
Rayon
5, which I nominated above), plus 46 interwikis. A common type of fiber with many industrial applications.
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I am not technical enough to explain why these are instrumental in machine learning and artificial intelligence, but the podcasts I listen to are always talking about them.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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I noticed this exclusion when voting at Polygraph (duplicating device) above.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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Rhineura floridana is the only extant taxon in Rhineuridae, and is more likely to be vital than the higher classification. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 16:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Very important crystal structure, both abundant (impurely) in nature and relevant to a lot of cutting-edge electromagnetic research like superconductivity. -- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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This became a prominent form of health insurance during the pandemic.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Over three years ago deceased Wikipedian SpinningPark made many proposals to the levels: 3, 4, and 5: [1], although proposals were intresing, most of them did not get enough attention due to low acitivity project at the time. I am going to nominate all of his proposals, will not give rationales at every single entry but please for research of these terms, productive feedbacks and substantive discussions (no dispurtive !votes like "no rationale given etc.", "we are under quota" etc. but many comments in discussions and substantive discussions)
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I'd put gutta-percha specifically under the Materials heading like Natural rubber. The article could definitely be reorganized though, with a hatnote and the parts about the actual tree moved to ( Palaquium gutta). Zar2gar1 ( talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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This is a decently common disease that is the most common cause of one-sided facial paralysis. It also interestingly helped someone win a Canadian federal election. It is rated High-Importance by WikiProject Medicine and Top-Importance by WikiProject Viruses.
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There are approximately 1 bazillion chemical substances, most of which are rarely encountered and unimportant outside of a handful of niche applications. Worse still, many of these substances are chemically distinct but effectively interchangeable (e.g. sodium and potassium salts tend to be equally soluble and usually behave the same in solution). The following stand out to me as being worth removing:
An utterly insignificant allotrope of oxygen – it took nearly a century to confirm that it even exists (and it only does so for a few microseconds). Briefly mentioned in
Oxygen
3, which is more than sufficient.
Just about every element has a distinct solid, liquid, and gaseous state, most of which are not “vital”. Solid oxygen is rarely produced, has no applications outside of basic research, and can be contrasted with liquid tin which is enormously important (see float glass) but doesn’t even have its own article.
The distinction is only relevant to isotope geochemistry, and the properties/applications of these isotopes are better covered in
Neon
4 than in this article.
A rarely encountered compound with no real “special” properties that would justify its inclusion.
The inverse of
Heavy water
5, very rarely considered outside of
hydrogen isotope biogeochemistry which is touched upon in
Deuterium
5.
There are a LOT of hydrofluorocarbons and while this is one of the more relevant ones I feel that
Hydrofluorocarbon
5,
Fluorocarbon
5, and
Haloalkane
4 provide sufficient coverage.
There are 7 other terpenoids listed, which is a bit excessive. Carvacrol is a nearly-identical isomer of the more-important
Thymol
5; the other terpenoids highlight the diversity of this class of compounds or are important in their own right but neither are true of carvacrol.
More-or-less chemically equivalent to
Potassium ferrocyanide
5, which is in my experience slightly more common in labs. The particular alkali counterion can be important, but in this case not so much.
This article is effectively a disambiguation page;
Aluminium triacetate
5 is the “typical” form of aluminum acetate and that article sufficiently addresses the others.
A poorly-defined mixture of copper salts, primarily hydrates of
Copper(II) acetate
5. Verdigris is more of a pigment than a chemical compound and may be more appropriate in the "Arts" section than it is here.
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A major type of clothing fabric.
4th most viewed out of all articles on fabrics last year.
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Defunct and subsumed into
Eurostar
5. It's known more for overcharging compared to domestic high-speed rail services, and not much else. It did not bring anything new to the table technologically, nor legally (there are no border controls within Schengen anyway).
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I think something Ediacaran related should be added, probably Ediacaran biota. I know Ediacaran is already on here but I think something else should be added because it's the period that contains the first known animals on Earth, which imo is pretty important for understanding the history of life, and the Ediacaran article I think doesn't go into the topic well enough on its own. ZKevinTheCat ( talk) 22:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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A fairly common fixture in households, and a subtopic of
Bathroom
4. Appropriate for level 5.
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A common sight at festivals and construction sites.
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An integral part of urban life. Unlike
Road
3, which primarily used for transportation, streets have other purposes such as public interaction.
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Commonly used techniques in biotechnology and molecular biology.
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Used to be ubiquitous in offices.
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"Fart" redirects here.
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The precursor to the
Book
2, scrolls were a very important part of history and are still a very important part of culture. I would argue that this could make VA4.
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To me, it is a similar level of importance and vitality as flatulence, which is about to be listed, and hiccup, which is already listed.
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Common health condition due to dysfunction in the liver that affects up to 80% of babies, and in severe cases results in death. Has been getting 1771 views a day this year which is more than 85% of articles in the Health section. Gizza ( talk) 22:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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Note that this
Taxonomy article is more general than
Taxonomy (biology)
3. Personally lean towards just adding
Classification &
Categorization, but thought I'd mention the 3rd one too. --
Zar2gar1 (
talk)
18:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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no evidence that backboards immobilize the spine, nor do they improve the person's outcomes. starship .paint ( RUN) 11:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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This is as much a symbolic tool as the stethoscope.
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Medical procedures (80/115 articles) is way under quota. I think bandage is as vital as
Orthopedic cast
5.
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Very symbolic term for the medical field (suggested above).
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Wider category of the white coat above. 47 interwikis. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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We list
Pest (organism)
5 and all sorts of pest control methods such as
Pesticide
4,
Biological pest control
5, and specific chemicals for pest control.
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Not as popular as comparable aircraft of its era. Only 250 were built, compared to 500+ for
Airbus A300
5 and 400+ for
McDonnell Douglas DC-10
5.
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We list many instant messaging services (WhatsApp, Line, Telegram, WeChat, KakaoTalk) but not the main concept. KakaoTalk should be removed as it is only popular in South Korea.
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The scientific treatment of a concept well known in popular culture, not to be confused with Space travel in science fiction. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Just in case, I'm going to do this in conservative batches, starting with 10 that are all stubs:
-- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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A very common type of building around the world which are used by thousands of people at a time.
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Some more really niche entries, maybe more appropriate for a dictionary than an encyclopedia:
I plan to propose cutting more, but may want to swap some general articles in before those. -- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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Since we added Fire hydrant, we should add this as well, which is just as important.
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Same logic as with fire engine above, common concept, easily recognizable, vital at this level. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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Ternary numeral system,
Quaternary numeral system,
Quinary,
Octal,
Duodecimal, and possibly
Vigesimal and
Hexadecimal
5 should be removed from this list; there are many more important mathematics topics which could be added instead.
Binary number
4 and
Sexagesimal
5 are particularly important (especially historically) and should be kept. –
jacobolus
(t)
04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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As
Exercise
3 is level 3, the two basic types of exercises should at least be level 5. Aerobic exercise includes lower intensity exercises like
jogging, cycling, rowing and
walking, while anaerobic includes
HIIT and
strength training. And we are nearly 200 articles under quota in health and medicine so space is not an issue.
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Could also go somewhere under everyday life, but fits well under
Container
4, with
Box
5 next to
Coffin
5,
Crate
5 and
Wooden box
5. For most modern people it has replaced the latter two. We see them every day. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
15:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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This set of subjects was nominated on 18 November 2020 (UTC). That nomination achieved a 3-2 consensus that was not enacted prior to being archived. At Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5#Handling_discussions_that_were_archived_without_closure_even_though_a_quorum_had_been_achieved, there was no consensus to retroactively enact this consensus. Thus, I am renominating this. The original nominator was User:Feminist. The other discussants were Support: User:Hanif Al Husaini and User:Hyperbolick and Oppose: User:C933103 and User:RekishiEJ.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Per
Piotrus: Perhaps this is the most historically significant netbook, but frankly, I am not even concerned that netbook itself should be V5.
Per
Steve Jobs: "netbooks aren’t better at anything." They were popular for around five years but were quickly displaced by tablets and later Chromebooks.
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Subset of machine learning that is the basis for every single ML breakthrough of the last 15 years. Has allowed us to achieve insane performance gains in tasks such as image classification ( AlexNet), natural language processing (everything from word2vec to ChatGPT), and any other ML task you can name. Closely related to Artificial neural network but it is the breakthrough of being able to stack these networks in ways that still allowed models to train performantly that has been responsible for the recent AI boom that has impacted every industry.
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In my mind, these 5 concepts are more dictionary entries than encyclopedic ones:
I actually added 3 of these last year before the proposals picked up, but that was a quota-hitting exercise. After thinking on it though, I'd like to see the Units list and eventually the quota for the Basics section cut back. Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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All of these 14 articles appear to be lists, even if not marked as such by icon:
-- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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A client for BitTorrent with just
6.6% market share. Listing
BitTorrent
5, the file sharing protocol, is enough at this level.
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8th most viewed out of all articles on fabrics last year (the most-viewed fabric we don't list after
Rayon
5, which I nominated above), plus 46 interwikis. A common type of fiber with many industrial applications.
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I am not technical enough to explain why these are instrumental in machine learning and artificial intelligence, but the podcasts I listen to are always talking about them.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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I noticed this exclusion when voting at Polygraph (duplicating device) above.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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Rhineura floridana is the only extant taxon in Rhineuridae, and is more likely to be vital than the higher classification. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 16:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Very important crystal structure, both abundant (impurely) in nature and relevant to a lot of cutting-edge electromagnetic research like superconductivity. -- Zar2gar1 ( talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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This became a prominent form of health insurance during the pandemic.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Over three years ago deceased Wikipedian SpinningPark made many proposals to the levels: 3, 4, and 5: [1], although proposals were intresing, most of them did not get enough attention due to low acitivity project at the time. I am going to nominate all of his proposals, will not give rationales at every single entry but please for research of these terms, productive feedbacks and substantive discussions (no dispurtive !votes like "no rationale given etc.", "we are under quota" etc. but many comments in discussions and substantive discussions)
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I'd put gutta-percha specifically under the Materials heading like Natural rubber. The article could definitely be reorganized though, with a hatnote and the parts about the actual tree moved to ( Palaquium gutta). Zar2gar1 ( talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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This is a decently common disease that is the most common cause of one-sided facial paralysis. It also interestingly helped someone win a Canadian federal election. It is rated High-Importance by WikiProject Medicine and Top-Importance by WikiProject Viruses.
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There are approximately 1 bazillion chemical substances, most of which are rarely encountered and unimportant outside of a handful of niche applications. Worse still, many of these substances are chemically distinct but effectively interchangeable (e.g. sodium and potassium salts tend to be equally soluble and usually behave the same in solution). The following stand out to me as being worth removing:
An utterly insignificant allotrope of oxygen – it took nearly a century to confirm that it even exists (and it only does so for a few microseconds). Briefly mentioned in
Oxygen
3, which is more than sufficient.
Just about every element has a distinct solid, liquid, and gaseous state, most of which are not “vital”. Solid oxygen is rarely produced, has no applications outside of basic research, and can be contrasted with liquid tin which is enormously important (see float glass) but doesn’t even have its own article.
The distinction is only relevant to isotope geochemistry, and the properties/applications of these isotopes are better covered in
Neon
4 than in this article.
A rarely encountered compound with no real “special” properties that would justify its inclusion.
The inverse of
Heavy water
5, very rarely considered outside of
hydrogen isotope biogeochemistry which is touched upon in
Deuterium
5.
There are a LOT of hydrofluorocarbons and while this is one of the more relevant ones I feel that
Hydrofluorocarbon
5,
Fluorocarbon
5, and
Haloalkane
4 provide sufficient coverage.
There are 7 other terpenoids listed, which is a bit excessive. Carvacrol is a nearly-identical isomer of the more-important
Thymol
5; the other terpenoids highlight the diversity of this class of compounds or are important in their own right but neither are true of carvacrol.
More-or-less chemically equivalent to
Potassium ferrocyanide
5, which is in my experience slightly more common in labs. The particular alkali counterion can be important, but in this case not so much.
This article is effectively a disambiguation page;
Aluminium triacetate
5 is the “typical” form of aluminum acetate and that article sufficiently addresses the others.
A poorly-defined mixture of copper salts, primarily hydrates of
Copper(II) acetate
5. Verdigris is more of a pigment than a chemical compound and may be more appropriate in the "Arts" section than it is here.
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A major type of clothing fabric.
4th most viewed out of all articles on fabrics last year.
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Defunct and subsumed into
Eurostar
5. It's known more for overcharging compared to domestic high-speed rail services, and not much else. It did not bring anything new to the table technologically, nor legally (there are no border controls within Schengen anyway).
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I think something Ediacaran related should be added, probably Ediacaran biota. I know Ediacaran is already on here but I think something else should be added because it's the period that contains the first known animals on Earth, which imo is pretty important for understanding the history of life, and the Ediacaran article I think doesn't go into the topic well enough on its own. ZKevinTheCat ( talk) 22:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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A fairly common fixture in households, and a subtopic of
Bathroom
4. Appropriate for level 5.
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A common sight at festivals and construction sites.
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An integral part of urban life. Unlike
Road
3, which primarily used for transportation, streets have other purposes such as public interaction.
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Commonly used techniques in biotechnology and molecular biology.
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Used to be ubiquitous in offices.
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"Fart" redirects here.
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The precursor to the
Book
2, scrolls were a very important part of history and are still a very important part of culture. I would argue that this could make VA4.
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To me, it is a similar level of importance and vitality as flatulence, which is about to be listed, and hiccup, which is already listed.
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Common health condition due to dysfunction in the liver that affects up to 80% of babies, and in severe cases results in death. Has been getting 1771 views a day this year which is more than 85% of articles in the Health section. Gizza ( talk) 22:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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Note that this
Taxonomy article is more general than
Taxonomy (biology)
3. Personally lean towards just adding
Classification &
Categorization, but thought I'd mention the 3rd one too. --
Zar2gar1 (
talk)
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no evidence that backboards immobilize the spine, nor do they improve the person's outcomes. starship .paint ( RUN) 11:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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This is as much a symbolic tool as the stethoscope.