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Scriabin was a very interesting composer but there are more influential composers such as Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach who aren't on the list. Even within the 20th century, Scriabin was arguably a less influential figure than Richard Strauss.
Scriabin laid the foundations for Stravinsky, Prokofiev and even Shostakovich, though the last mentioned vilified him in his maturity: and a lot of contemporary composers have cited him as an influence compared to Strauss. Alfietucker ( talk) 17:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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There are quite a few articles about different historical cities across the sections in the History list (there are also some on the other lists). I suggest creating a section in the History list for all of the historical cities. Considering the fact that they span across few periods, I don't think they can be categorized in the current sections of the list.
Yes. It's just a reorganisation of the History list. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 06:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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It should be added under parks, not here. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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This state is much larger than the city itself; it includes Campinas too, for one. It's also singlehandedly responsible for 33.9% of Brazil's GDP and it has a bigger economy than Bavaria or Ontario, for example. Cobblet ( talk) 18:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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Note that it's a fairly autonomous region that is neither geographically connected to the USA, nor has that much in common with it p b p 01:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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If Atlantic Canada is being kept there's definitely no reason to include this. Cobblet ( talk) 09:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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We should move this into Biomes under Earth Science. Cobblet ( talk) 09:13, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
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I wanted to include all the Russian republics, because they are the historic home of many different ethnic groups that are not represented anywhere on the list, but it met with resistance. I think we should at least keep the ones that were currently on the list. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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I don't think the modern region is that vital. Plus we have the Khwarazmian dynasty on the History list. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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When I nominated this there were hardly any Indian regions. As Cobblet made several additions, I'm no longer supporting this. -- Rsm77 ( talk) 10:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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We have Australia (continent), Australia and New Zealand. We don't need this one too. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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I think this is a better Brazilian state to keep than Sao Paolo. pbp
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Before we start adding every sub-Saharan African ethnic group to the list, can we establish some criteria for which ones to include? I see the value of adding umbrella groups like Bantu peoples, but why the Dinka and not, say, the Hausa and Igbo peoples of Nigeria? (The Yoruba have been proposed.) Or the Oromo and Amhara peoples of Ethiopia? Cobblet ( talk) 00:54, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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Technology is still below quota, so I see no problem.
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Important American Impressionist painter. Her works include The Child's Bath.
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Satie's another composer that's interesting but not vital, comparable in significance to Albert Roussel and Francis Poulenc, neither of whom are on the list. Strauss on the other hand was a giant of late Romanticism: he becomes obviously vital when Anton Bruckner is also on the list. On a side note, he was also a notable conductor.
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Pioneer of the cosmetics industry.
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One of the most well-known anthropologists.
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Developer of Montessori education.
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We have both Menes and Narmer, who historians believe is the same person. A suggest we replace Menes with Khufu who built the Great Pyramid of Giza. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 15:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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Who nominated this? Was it User:Purplebackpack89? Cobblet ( talk) 01:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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An IP nominated this article a few days ago, but Cobblet deleted it. I think it'd be a good idea. I mean, the guy came up with the first decimal estimate of Pi and was integral to it's history.
A good estimate of pi is not enough to justify including a mathematician on this list: see Chronology of computation of π for the full list of mathematicians who have worked on this problem. Even among just Chinese mathematicians, Zu Chongzhi's discovery of 355/113 was the more significant result. I can't support this proposal unless somebody would like to explain why Zu shouldn't be on the list instead. Cobblet ( talk) 22:59, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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A pioneer in the development of fiber optics, for which he won the 2009 Nobel Prize in Physics. American AsianWeek and CNN named him one of five Asians of the Century (we've got the other four).
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One of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century. Noether's theorem is a fundamental concept in theoretical physics.
Let me also point out that on a list of 218 scientists, mathematicians, and inventors, I could only find three women: Marie Curie, Barbara McClintock and Ada Lovelace. All the women I'm suggesting to add are at least as significant as McClintock and Lovelace, and Noether and Hodgkin's contributions are comparable in significance with Curie's. Cobblet ( talk) 09:12, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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These were the only rebellions ever against Roman rule, and ended up destroying most of the Jews' political power for nearly two millennia.
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Gabe, what's your rationale here? p b p 23:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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Conflict in Afghanistan (1978–present) covers the two wars as well as the civil war that took place between the two wars. The proposed article gives a broader look of the conflict, than the two articles which don't cover its entirety. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
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There are 1 billion people living in slums, so it should be included along with the other forms of human settlement already on the list (village, town, city, suburb). It can replace any of the smaller cities currently on the list. Nominated Cleveland as the city proper is only 45th in the US by population (0.5 mil), while the metro is 28th (2mil), but can be other. -- ELEKHH T 22:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
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This was once the capital of Upper Egypt, but appears not to be an important archaeological site if our article is to be trusted, so I'm not sure if it's significant enough to be on our list as a historic site. (Compare the significance of Anyang in China; also we have Thebes and Memphis under History.) Otherwise nowadays it's just one of many mid-sized Egyptian cities.
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Two cities of only regional importance and no significant history; comparable in population to several African national capitals (Bujumbura, Bissau, Juba, Windhoek, Libreville, Gaborone) not on the list.
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Nine cities for Nigeria seems a tad generous. This is the smallest in population, and its historical significance ought to be covered by Hausa Kingdoms, which was recently saved from deletion.
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Capital and economic centre of the Central African Republic with a metropolitan population of one million. The surrounding area appears to be archaeologically significant, according to the article.
Yes, and on a list of 400 cities, one would expect that we'd have many of them. Cobblet ( talk) 20:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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Capital and economic centre of Mauritania with a metropolitan population of 1.05 million; this and Bangui are comparable in population to Kigali, N'Djamena, Freetown, Cotonou, Monrovia and Niamey, all of which are on the list.
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Ditto.
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Not particularly large and historically less significant when compared to Lima, Cusco and other South American cities on the list.
There must be hundreds of cities on the UNESCO list. And Sucre and Bloemfontein are two other judicial capitals that are also not on the list. Cobblet ( talk) 00:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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Essentially a suburb of Guangzhou and Shenzhen, with no significance whatsoever apart from its size (unremarkable by Chinese standards). Compare the cities I'm proposing to add below.
There are about 20 Special Economic Zones of the People's Republic of China, all of which are of comparable economic importance to Dongguan (which isn't one of them), and many have been so for a considerably longer time (compare Lianyungang, Nantong or Yantai for example, none of which are on the list). The significance of the Pearl River Delta is already amply represented by Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Hong Kong and Macau. We do include some suburban cities on the list, but mainly because they are of outstanding significance to the country they're in: Incheon and Yokohama are the most important ports of South Korea and Japan and Giza is of outstanding historical importance to Egypt. Dongguan doesn't have the same significance to China—compare the role of New Taipei City or the Inland Empire (neither are on the list) in their respective countries. Cobblet ( talk) 00:13, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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Second-largest city in Libya and capital of Cyrenaica, with a history just as notable as Tripoli's.
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There are lots of American cities of around the same size, and this seems less significant than most (unless indie music and microbreweries are suddenly things that need representation).
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Ranks 13th in population among cities of Brazil but is otherwise not really notable in other aspects.
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Capital of Hebei but a really late bloomer from the perspective of Chinese history.
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Unique for its colonial history and current administrative status, and nowadays the Las Vegas of Asia.
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One of China's most important cultural centres, and figures prominently in the country's history. Comparable in significance with Florence in Europe. Nowadays still important as a technology hub and a tourist destination.
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One of China's most historically significant cities, capital of several dynasties. And still a fairly large city nowadays.
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One of China's most historically significant cities: capital of several dynasties, and was the world's largest city in the 11th century.
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Not a particularly large city, with no significant history.
Really? I thought Bangalore was the city that fitted that description best. Cobblet ( talk) 00:34, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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Capital of Latvia and also the most populous city in the whole Baltic region with 700,000 we have smaller cities, but Riga is possibly the most significant city in the Baltic, important culture, commerce, industry and over 800 years history, city centre is a UNESCO world heritage site. Equal or greater importance to Vilnius which we have; Vilnius is also slightly less populous and shorter history than Riga. Carlwev ( talk) 10:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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I would have thought one of these at least should be in surely. Gaza Strip may be better. I just can't decide which one to propose, both would probably not be liked, and maybe too much/not necessary. Gaza city has half million pop, small but we have similar sized cities, population not the main reason of importance anyway, Gaza has interesting and long ancient history, and very significant modern history. Gaza Strip, though 1.7 million pop, very significant region with active recent history, significant politics, legal status, actual and potential conflicts. Gaza Strip is larger and appears to be the title of interest/topic of conversation more than Gaza City. My only hesitation to that is that Gaza city's history goes back to 15 century BC, but Gaza Strip entity although very active area has only existed since the 1940s. What are peoples views? Carlwev ( talk) 04:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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Smaller than other North American ranges not on the list such as the Coast Mountains, Sierra Madre Occidental, Sierra Madre Oriental, Sierra Madre del Sur, etc.
Yosemite National Park is on the list. Cobblet ( talk) 21:27, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
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Size alone does not dictate what desert is the most important on a continent. The Mojave Desert contains the lowest point on the North American continent, and, if we pick just one desert from North America, which I think is fine, then it should be the Mojave, even the Sonoran would be better than the Great Basin. The Great Basin, while a desert, is more important for the diversity of its topography and the extensional regime which formed it than it is important for being a desert. The Mojave also does contain part of the Basin and Range province, the most outstanding subsection of the Great Basin. --( AfadsBad ( talk) 20:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC))
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Trying to add more basic musical terms. A mandolin is a type of lute, which is on the list.
The mandolin is part of the lute family. And a discussion of homophony and polyphony, two concepts that underpin Western music, is definitely vital at the 10,000-article level. Cobblet ( talk) 08:20, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
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Bass guitar seems even less notable than electric guitar, which has already been proposed for removal. Scales are a fundamental element in both Western and non-Western music.
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Trading Debussy symphonic poems. The latter work is probably more recognizable and more historically significant, marking the birth of impressionism in music.
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Both well-known examples of program music, but the latter was the first of its genre and also introduced the idée fixe technique.
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Not really vital - I'd compare it to other popular but not musically significant works such as The Carnival of the Animals, the 1812 Overture or the The Blue Danube waltz, none of which are on the list.
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Dari is the name for the modern Persian language in Afghanistan, and is covered in the latter article.
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Xiang Chinese is the most spoken language whose status as such is not disputed (compare Jin Chinese) and is not already on the list. With 35-40 million speakers, it is spoken by approximately as many people as Polish, Pashto, Kannada, Malayalam and Sundanese, all of which are on the list, and is more widely spoken than Hakka Chinese, also on the list. It's also interesting to historical linguists, because its phonology reveals insights into that of Middle Chinese.
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We already have Cue sports, and we removed Pool and Billiards
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I'd prefer keeping this and adding Nine-ball as well, so that we have both professional cue sports on the list. Cobblet ( talk) 12:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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Crime is the vital 100, we have several individual crimes listed in the vital 10'000. Perhaps we should include the study of crime too. Carlwev ( talk) 19:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
It looks to me like Crime answers the question "What constitutes a crime?", while Criminology answers the question "What motivates criminals?" Both look vital to me. Cobblet ( talk) 20:34, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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An essential component of the publishing and mass media industries.
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If we're not going to add Protest and Demonstration (people), how about just the article on the general phenomenon?
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We have public but not these two terms.
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Surely the concept of an embassy is vital?
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Swapping a deprecated unit for the metric ton.
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The former article is mainly just a list. The latter article is probably the most notable example of one, and would go under Nuclear physics rather than Measurement.
Ionization chamber was the other replacement I considered—I'd support adding it. Cobblet ( talk) 19:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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More important and interesting constellation.
I wonder, though, if we've got all 118 chemical elements, why we can't have all 88 constellations. Cobblet ( talk) 05:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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There are many different ways to classify biomes so we should only include the ones that are most commonly accepted. Besides, forest gives descriptions of several different types, including the one above. The Pantanal is the world's largest wetland.
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It's mainly a list of peninsulas.
Based only on the present article quality I would support removing peninsula. But this list is kind of supposed to show topics that we 'should have' high quality articles for, not necessarily topics that we already have high quality articles for. The Peninsula article is terrible and mostly a list, but it's an important topic, It shouldn't be removed only because it's forgotten or neglected it should be kept and hopefully improved, that's the whole point of the list. Carlwev ( talk) 18:04, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
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Surprised this is missing, Can't really do this justice in one sentence; very vital topic in Geology/natural history of the Earth and Top importance geology Wikiproject article, as well as a very decent and long article, 75 references and appears in nearly 70 languages. More vital than many individual rock types and formations we are including and discussing. Carlwev ( talk) 03:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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This is just a footnote/definition in most thermodynamics textbooks. It's not an article likely to be expanded. The dual notion of Process function is not included.
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Obviously vital phenomenon with both household and research applications.
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Any reason this is needed when we already have the Speed of light? p b p 18:14, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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We have fur trade, but that article doesn't actually talk about how trapping is done. Also animals are trapped for reasons besides their fur, e.g. food, pest control, and conservation purposes.
There are a number of articles currently listed under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Business and economics, 92 that I'd like to move into Technology. I'm referring to the ones listed under Industry that involve technology in some way, i.e. Agriculture, Construction, Factory, Fishing, Forestry, Fur trade, Hunting, Manufacturing, Mining, Quarry, Refining and Whaling. A lot of these industries already have their own category under Technology. What do you guys think? Cobblet ( talk) 06:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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We have metallurgy but iron working deserves its own article.
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Telegraphy talks about the transmission of written messages in general; the actual device is vital as well.
I'm on the fence on this one. i think that the telegraphy article can be developed well enough to deal with the revolution that includes the physical device which made it possible. --( AfadsBad ( talk) 22:16, 26 September 2013 (UTC))
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I don't think specific types of swords are vital. Rifle mainly focuses on types of rifles, which is all well and good, but I think a discussion of the technology behind rifling merits inclusion as well.
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I don't think specific types of swords are vital. We have lots of articles on weapons but few on the physics behind weaponry.
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Scriabin was a very interesting composer but there are more influential composers such as Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach who aren't on the list. Even within the 20th century, Scriabin was arguably a less influential figure than Richard Strauss.
Scriabin laid the foundations for Stravinsky, Prokofiev and even Shostakovich, though the last mentioned vilified him in his maturity: and a lot of contemporary composers have cited him as an influence compared to Strauss. Alfietucker ( talk) 17:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
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There are quite a few articles about different historical cities across the sections in the History list (there are also some on the other lists). I suggest creating a section in the History list for all of the historical cities. Considering the fact that they span across few periods, I don't think they can be categorized in the current sections of the list.
Yes. It's just a reorganisation of the History list. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 06:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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It should be added under parks, not here. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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This state is much larger than the city itself; it includes Campinas too, for one. It's also singlehandedly responsible for 33.9% of Brazil's GDP and it has a bigger economy than Bavaria or Ontario, for example. Cobblet ( talk) 18:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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Note that it's a fairly autonomous region that is neither geographically connected to the USA, nor has that much in common with it p b p 01:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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If Atlantic Canada is being kept there's definitely no reason to include this. Cobblet ( talk) 09:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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We should move this into Biomes under Earth Science. Cobblet ( talk) 09:13, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
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I wanted to include all the Russian republics, because they are the historic home of many different ethnic groups that are not represented anywhere on the list, but it met with resistance. I think we should at least keep the ones that were currently on the list. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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I don't think the modern region is that vital. Plus we have the Khwarazmian dynasty on the History list. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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When I nominated this there were hardly any Indian regions. As Cobblet made several additions, I'm no longer supporting this. -- Rsm77 ( talk) 10:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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We have Australia (continent), Australia and New Zealand. We don't need this one too. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 19:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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I think this is a better Brazilian state to keep than Sao Paolo. pbp
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Before we start adding every sub-Saharan African ethnic group to the list, can we establish some criteria for which ones to include? I see the value of adding umbrella groups like Bantu peoples, but why the Dinka and not, say, the Hausa and Igbo peoples of Nigeria? (The Yoruba have been proposed.) Or the Oromo and Amhara peoples of Ethiopia? Cobblet ( talk) 00:54, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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Technology is still below quota, so I see no problem.
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Important American Impressionist painter. Her works include The Child's Bath.
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Satie's another composer that's interesting but not vital, comparable in significance to Albert Roussel and Francis Poulenc, neither of whom are on the list. Strauss on the other hand was a giant of late Romanticism: he becomes obviously vital when Anton Bruckner is also on the list. On a side note, he was also a notable conductor.
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Pioneer of the cosmetics industry.
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One of the most well-known anthropologists.
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Developer of Montessori education.
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We have both Menes and Narmer, who historians believe is the same person. A suggest we replace Menes with Khufu who built the Great Pyramid of Giza. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 15:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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Who nominated this? Was it User:Purplebackpack89? Cobblet ( talk) 01:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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An IP nominated this article a few days ago, but Cobblet deleted it. I think it'd be a good idea. I mean, the guy came up with the first decimal estimate of Pi and was integral to it's history.
A good estimate of pi is not enough to justify including a mathematician on this list: see Chronology of computation of π for the full list of mathematicians who have worked on this problem. Even among just Chinese mathematicians, Zu Chongzhi's discovery of 355/113 was the more significant result. I can't support this proposal unless somebody would like to explain why Zu shouldn't be on the list instead. Cobblet ( talk) 22:59, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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A pioneer in the development of fiber optics, for which he won the 2009 Nobel Prize in Physics. American AsianWeek and CNN named him one of five Asians of the Century (we've got the other four).
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One of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century. Noether's theorem is a fundamental concept in theoretical physics.
Let me also point out that on a list of 218 scientists, mathematicians, and inventors, I could only find three women: Marie Curie, Barbara McClintock and Ada Lovelace. All the women I'm suggesting to add are at least as significant as McClintock and Lovelace, and Noether and Hodgkin's contributions are comparable in significance with Curie's. Cobblet ( talk) 09:12, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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These were the only rebellions ever against Roman rule, and ended up destroying most of the Jews' political power for nearly two millennia.
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Gabe, what's your rationale here? p b p 23:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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Conflict in Afghanistan (1978–present) covers the two wars as well as the civil war that took place between the two wars. The proposed article gives a broader look of the conflict, than the two articles which don't cover its entirety. -- V3n0M93 ( talk) 13:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
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There are 1 billion people living in slums, so it should be included along with the other forms of human settlement already on the list (village, town, city, suburb). It can replace any of the smaller cities currently on the list. Nominated Cleveland as the city proper is only 45th in the US by population (0.5 mil), while the metro is 28th (2mil), but can be other. -- ELEKHH T 22:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
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This was once the capital of Upper Egypt, but appears not to be an important archaeological site if our article is to be trusted, so I'm not sure if it's significant enough to be on our list as a historic site. (Compare the significance of Anyang in China; also we have Thebes and Memphis under History.) Otherwise nowadays it's just one of many mid-sized Egyptian cities.
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Two cities of only regional importance and no significant history; comparable in population to several African national capitals (Bujumbura, Bissau, Juba, Windhoek, Libreville, Gaborone) not on the list.
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Nine cities for Nigeria seems a tad generous. This is the smallest in population, and its historical significance ought to be covered by Hausa Kingdoms, which was recently saved from deletion.
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Capital and economic centre of the Central African Republic with a metropolitan population of one million. The surrounding area appears to be archaeologically significant, according to the article.
Yes, and on a list of 400 cities, one would expect that we'd have many of them. Cobblet ( talk) 20:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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Capital and economic centre of Mauritania with a metropolitan population of 1.05 million; this and Bangui are comparable in population to Kigali, N'Djamena, Freetown, Cotonou, Monrovia and Niamey, all of which are on the list.
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Ditto.
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Not particularly large and historically less significant when compared to Lima, Cusco and other South American cities on the list.
There must be hundreds of cities on the UNESCO list. And Sucre and Bloemfontein are two other judicial capitals that are also not on the list. Cobblet ( talk) 00:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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Essentially a suburb of Guangzhou and Shenzhen, with no significance whatsoever apart from its size (unremarkable by Chinese standards). Compare the cities I'm proposing to add below.
There are about 20 Special Economic Zones of the People's Republic of China, all of which are of comparable economic importance to Dongguan (which isn't one of them), and many have been so for a considerably longer time (compare Lianyungang, Nantong or Yantai for example, none of which are on the list). The significance of the Pearl River Delta is already amply represented by Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Hong Kong and Macau. We do include some suburban cities on the list, but mainly because they are of outstanding significance to the country they're in: Incheon and Yokohama are the most important ports of South Korea and Japan and Giza is of outstanding historical importance to Egypt. Dongguan doesn't have the same significance to China—compare the role of New Taipei City or the Inland Empire (neither are on the list) in their respective countries. Cobblet ( talk) 00:13, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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Second-largest city in Libya and capital of Cyrenaica, with a history just as notable as Tripoli's.
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There are lots of American cities of around the same size, and this seems less significant than most (unless indie music and microbreweries are suddenly things that need representation).
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Ranks 13th in population among cities of Brazil but is otherwise not really notable in other aspects.
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Capital of Hebei but a really late bloomer from the perspective of Chinese history.
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Unique for its colonial history and current administrative status, and nowadays the Las Vegas of Asia.
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One of China's most important cultural centres, and figures prominently in the country's history. Comparable in significance with Florence in Europe. Nowadays still important as a technology hub and a tourist destination.
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One of China's most historically significant cities, capital of several dynasties. And still a fairly large city nowadays.
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One of China's most historically significant cities: capital of several dynasties, and was the world's largest city in the 11th century.
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Not a particularly large city, with no significant history.
Really? I thought Bangalore was the city that fitted that description best. Cobblet ( talk) 00:34, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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Capital of Latvia and also the most populous city in the whole Baltic region with 700,000 we have smaller cities, but Riga is possibly the most significant city in the Baltic, important culture, commerce, industry and over 800 years history, city centre is a UNESCO world heritage site. Equal or greater importance to Vilnius which we have; Vilnius is also slightly less populous and shorter history than Riga. Carlwev ( talk) 10:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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I would have thought one of these at least should be in surely. Gaza Strip may be better. I just can't decide which one to propose, both would probably not be liked, and maybe too much/not necessary. Gaza city has half million pop, small but we have similar sized cities, population not the main reason of importance anyway, Gaza has interesting and long ancient history, and very significant modern history. Gaza Strip, though 1.7 million pop, very significant region with active recent history, significant politics, legal status, actual and potential conflicts. Gaza Strip is larger and appears to be the title of interest/topic of conversation more than Gaza City. My only hesitation to that is that Gaza city's history goes back to 15 century BC, but Gaza Strip entity although very active area has only existed since the 1940s. What are peoples views? Carlwev ( talk) 04:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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Smaller than other North American ranges not on the list such as the Coast Mountains, Sierra Madre Occidental, Sierra Madre Oriental, Sierra Madre del Sur, etc.
Yosemite National Park is on the list. Cobblet ( talk) 21:27, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
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Size alone does not dictate what desert is the most important on a continent. The Mojave Desert contains the lowest point on the North American continent, and, if we pick just one desert from North America, which I think is fine, then it should be the Mojave, even the Sonoran would be better than the Great Basin. The Great Basin, while a desert, is more important for the diversity of its topography and the extensional regime which formed it than it is important for being a desert. The Mojave also does contain part of the Basin and Range province, the most outstanding subsection of the Great Basin. --( AfadsBad ( talk) 20:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC))
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Trying to add more basic musical terms. A mandolin is a type of lute, which is on the list.
The mandolin is part of the lute family. And a discussion of homophony and polyphony, two concepts that underpin Western music, is definitely vital at the 10,000-article level. Cobblet ( talk) 08:20, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
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Bass guitar seems even less notable than electric guitar, which has already been proposed for removal. Scales are a fundamental element in both Western and non-Western music.
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Trading Debussy symphonic poems. The latter work is probably more recognizable and more historically significant, marking the birth of impressionism in music.
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Both well-known examples of program music, but the latter was the first of its genre and also introduced the idée fixe technique.
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Not really vital - I'd compare it to other popular but not musically significant works such as The Carnival of the Animals, the 1812 Overture or the The Blue Danube waltz, none of which are on the list.
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Dari is the name for the modern Persian language in Afghanistan, and is covered in the latter article.
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Xiang Chinese is the most spoken language whose status as such is not disputed (compare Jin Chinese) and is not already on the list. With 35-40 million speakers, it is spoken by approximately as many people as Polish, Pashto, Kannada, Malayalam and Sundanese, all of which are on the list, and is more widely spoken than Hakka Chinese, also on the list. It's also interesting to historical linguists, because its phonology reveals insights into that of Middle Chinese.
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We already have Cue sports, and we removed Pool and Billiards
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I'd prefer keeping this and adding Nine-ball as well, so that we have both professional cue sports on the list. Cobblet ( talk) 12:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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Crime is the vital 100, we have several individual crimes listed in the vital 10'000. Perhaps we should include the study of crime too. Carlwev ( talk) 19:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
It looks to me like Crime answers the question "What constitutes a crime?", while Criminology answers the question "What motivates criminals?" Both look vital to me. Cobblet ( talk) 20:34, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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An essential component of the publishing and mass media industries.
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If we're not going to add Protest and Demonstration (people), how about just the article on the general phenomenon?
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We have public but not these two terms.
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Surely the concept of an embassy is vital?
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Swapping a deprecated unit for the metric ton.
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The former article is mainly just a list. The latter article is probably the most notable example of one, and would go under Nuclear physics rather than Measurement.
Ionization chamber was the other replacement I considered—I'd support adding it. Cobblet ( talk) 19:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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More important and interesting constellation.
I wonder, though, if we've got all 118 chemical elements, why we can't have all 88 constellations. Cobblet ( talk) 05:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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There are many different ways to classify biomes so we should only include the ones that are most commonly accepted. Besides, forest gives descriptions of several different types, including the one above. The Pantanal is the world's largest wetland.
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It's mainly a list of peninsulas.
Based only on the present article quality I would support removing peninsula. But this list is kind of supposed to show topics that we 'should have' high quality articles for, not necessarily topics that we already have high quality articles for. The Peninsula article is terrible and mostly a list, but it's an important topic, It shouldn't be removed only because it's forgotten or neglected it should be kept and hopefully improved, that's the whole point of the list. Carlwev ( talk) 18:04, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
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Surprised this is missing, Can't really do this justice in one sentence; very vital topic in Geology/natural history of the Earth and Top importance geology Wikiproject article, as well as a very decent and long article, 75 references and appears in nearly 70 languages. More vital than many individual rock types and formations we are including and discussing. Carlwev ( talk) 03:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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This is just a footnote/definition in most thermodynamics textbooks. It's not an article likely to be expanded. The dual notion of Process function is not included.
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Obviously vital phenomenon with both household and research applications.
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Any reason this is needed when we already have the Speed of light? p b p 18:14, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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We have fur trade, but that article doesn't actually talk about how trapping is done. Also animals are trapped for reasons besides their fur, e.g. food, pest control, and conservation purposes.
There are a number of articles currently listed under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Business and economics, 92 that I'd like to move into Technology. I'm referring to the ones listed under Industry that involve technology in some way, i.e. Agriculture, Construction, Factory, Fishing, Forestry, Fur trade, Hunting, Manufacturing, Mining, Quarry, Refining and Whaling. A lot of these industries already have their own category under Technology. What do you guys think? Cobblet ( talk) 06:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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We have metallurgy but iron working deserves its own article.
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Telegraphy talks about the transmission of written messages in general; the actual device is vital as well.
I'm on the fence on this one. i think that the telegraphy article can be developed well enough to deal with the revolution that includes the physical device which made it possible. --( AfadsBad ( talk) 22:16, 26 September 2013 (UTC))
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I don't think specific types of swords are vital. Rifle mainly focuses on types of rifles, which is all well and good, but I think a discussion of the technology behind rifling merits inclusion as well.
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I don't think specific types of swords are vital. We have lots of articles on weapons but few on the physics behind weaponry.