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Is anything that is allowed on Wikipedia mainspace, such as Image:Doublepen.png, allowed to be on userpages? Also is a picture of a American flag burning is somehow extremely offensive? I didn't know because offensive is very subjective and I would consider the American flag not burning extremely offensive, so I didn't know how Wikipedia considers what is offensive and what is not. Thanks. — Christopher Mann McKay talk 18:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Silly question...how do I make my userpage noticed colored? Thanks. Bardofcornish ( talk) 22:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it allowed to update a user page of someone no longer editing Wikipedia, so that it does not contain inaccurate statements (due to elapsed time)? -- Zanimum ( talk) 15:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Friday removed a substantial part of the right to vanish [1]. Is there any consensus for this removal? JoshuaZ ( talk) 17:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I still think this bit should go. Anyone see a reason to keep it, other than status quo? Friday (talk) 21:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
How do i make a page of info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeganHealey ( talk • contribs)
Are users required (or expected) to use certain types of fonts, or can a user use any type of font on their talk page? -- Son ( talk) 19:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
This has been a bug bear of mine for a long time. I get fed up with explanations which employ self-referential examples. This seems to be a consistent oversight on behalf of techies who know the material so well that they cannot see just how confusing such practices are. Suppose a writer decides to give the user an example of how he/she can start up a user page for themselves. Now, is it good policy to name this example “Example”, as the writer does in the article? No, it is not. To use ‘example’ as an example for an example is not a good idea. In fact it is, from about a hundred billion possible words, probably the LAST word you would want to use. It is quite likely that the reader will become confused as to whether the word Example, so used, POINTS to an example to come, or is in fact the example itself. There are any number of wacky, zany user names in WP, and a writer on such topics would be well-advised to choose, as a hypothetical example, the wackiest name possible, so that there can be no mistake as to whether such a name is an example of a user name, as such, or the official name for a field, or a generic name for all such similar fields.
Ironically, it is the text concerning in-house WP procedures, written by WP insiders, which consistently provides readers with material that is stylistically and grammatically amongst the most inferior in WP, and typically transforms what should be straightforward procedural matters into damn hard work.
Here’s an idea for WP big brass. Why not have a fictional WP user called, say, kimdoe? Readers can follow this guy/girl’s adventures as they set up pages, edit articles and all the rest. Now wouldn’t that be a lot clearer than trying to deal with someone called ‘example’? This is a people’s encyclopedia, so let’s try writing clear, concise English, not the semi-literate geek boy jargon often found here. I’d have a go fixing it up myself, but it’s kind of Catch-22. To do that, I’d have to understand it a lot better, and frankly, a lot of this stuff just doesn’t make good sense.
On a final note, why does the writer of the piece start with informing the reader that ‘Example’ will be used as the example name, but then provides no such explanatory note for the companion example name ‘Mypage’ And if we accept Example and Mypage as names of pages of a hypothetical individual, then what the hell is ‘lipsum’? My brain hurts. Notthere ( talk) 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Stupid Question:
Why can't people put whatever they want on a User Page? It's a User Page, not a resource for information, and even for explicit materials there's no risk of linking to the pages by mistake (unless they set-up a link on a normal page which would just be vandalism). At most, I think that User's found to have "explicit" material should have some sort of warning attached to their user name, sort of like a spoiler warning. Other than that that the only other rule which makes sense to me is a ban on large file sizes, which is just for practical reasons.
Now...why am I wrong?
McBeardo ( talk) 02:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
No personal info, interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:IFeito http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SOPHIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Evercat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Andrew_c http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:C.Logan all from the first page of the editing history of a single page...
However, this does raise a new question: If I put a snazzy disclaimer like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Strothra on my User Page does that change things?
McBeardo ( talk) 18:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
That just raises further questions (which may Segway into speeches):
1)Can't you determine what a person's interests are by looking at their contribution list? The point of finding people with common interests is obviously for collaboration on topic, but there is no search function based on interests (that I know of, again I'm appealing to those more...invested...in "wikipedian law" here) and so collaborations arise semi-spontaneously through various people (often strangers to each other) editing articles which interest them as individuals (I think it's called open content). This means that posting interests is in fact unnecessary based on your justification for it, but that's ok because I think I have a better one: Wikipedia obviously has some degree of a community, and while it's stated purpose is not to be a social networking site, allowing people the freedom to make one page that is about them, or is just funny, would not detract from that, while helping to strengthen the community. It may also help to REDUCE vandalism, as one of the things that attracts people to screwing with Wikipedia is that it provides them with anonymity plus a huge audience (larger than any one forum), for free.
2)Of what encyclopedic value are User Names?This relates to the first question, just recording someone's IP address is enough to allow Wikipedia to stop vandalism (and the prevention measures are usualy an IP ban, not a User Name ban), and while you could easily assign "topics of expertise" to User Names, like I said before, even that isn't necessary if you consider that the open content formula of Wikipedia means that it's not organized, people make their contributions, and consensus determines the value of the contribution. Now, Wikipedia does have formal rules and regulations in place (and there seems to be more all the time), and that's fine, because as we all know, consensus on is no indication of truth (Argumentum ad populum). However, these rules all dictate how input is to be handled, the input itself is still left up to thousands of anonymous users submitting whatever they feel like, whenever they feel like submitting it, with no interaction between them required so long as the rules of Wikipedia are enforced by the more dutiful users. My point in all this, is that in choosing User Names, posting interests, and using the phrase "engaged community" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia#The_.22hive_mind.22), you've already acknowledged that in order to support this group of dutiful user's which Wikipedia relies on to enforce the rules, you have to allow them some latitude to..."socially network"...which will include content neither factual, nor worthy of an encyclopedia, but nonetheless important to THIS form of data accumulation.
3)Basically, can I please make my User Page a joke without it being taken down?
McBeardo ( talk) 01:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
1+2)Those more invested in Wikipedian law have spoken, thank you 3)I'll take it. McBeardo ( talk) 15:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I understand that one editor cannot go to another editor's talk page and restore a warning once it has been deleted by the owner. That makes sense because deletion by the owner amounts to acknowledging the warning.
However, what if the warning is to an IP address? I know some IPs are single user machines, but many IPs are for multi user machines. A user wanting to create mischief might not already realize that the IP has been warned multiple times, and that a single incident leads to a block.
I'm just thinking that on these IP accounts, often times there really is no "owner" of the Talk Page. Is there a strong reason as to why warnings should be able to still be taken down by any user who happens along? LonelyBeacon ( talk) 21:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I know a lot of editors use their userpage to have bios of themselves. But what about people who make bios with false info, like saying they won a championship or worked for a certain company. User:Animal91 is claiming he's worked for TNA and WWE and won titles in both organizations, all of which is BS. The editor is presenting this information as if it's real. Should I contact the user, or take this straight to WP:MFD? TJ Spyke 07:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I clarified this over at WP:No credential policy and there's currently a dispute over the article. If you could check it out, that'd be great. ☯ Zenwhat ( talk) 22:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I have two subpages right now (one is a sandbox). I want to have this one deleted to make way for a larger project (I don't want to hog space and I don't view the page in question as significant). How do I go about requesting that? -- § Hurricane E RIC archive 19:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Beyond the sturm und drang of
Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:BQZip01/Comments, an important issue has emerged.
Wikipedia:UP#NOT says that impermissible content of a user-space page includes:
The issue raised at this MfD concerns the definition of "reasonable time frame". So what constitutes "reasonable"? Presumably this is more than one hour and less than one year. Riana closed the MfD with an outside time limit in a quite reasonable assessment of the matter at hand.
Going forward:
This is not an attempt to again raise the particular MfD, however it serves as a case study to illuminate the issues at hand. Comments? Franamax ( talk) 06:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Userpages is not ....., but what if somebody creats a userpage as the only contribution to wikipedia and uses it as personal webpage? What happens than? I ask because I found the Userpage of User:Dark_Horse_King.-- Stone ( talk) 16:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the relatively recently added, undiscussed addition of the qualifier "extensive use of" before "polemical". Any use of a user page of polemical purposes is a de facto abuse of Wikipedia, and is not permitted at all. -- TS 20:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there anything against copying another persons userpage? User:Cimmo basically just copied my userpage and pasted it on his (he even left in the userboxes saying he is 21 and from New York even though he says he is 13 and from Australia). I have left him a friendly request to change it, but what if he refuses? Some of the userboxes are achievements which he hasn't earned (he had nothing to do with getting Wii to FA status while I was one of the biggest contributors, he is not an "Experienced and Established Editor" since he only has 500 edits while that Service Award requires 6000, etc.). TJ Spyke 01:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Your user page, along with all your contributions, is released under GFDL. This means that others can use it, as long as they follow GFDL requirements, one of which is acknowledging previous authors. You have copyright on the exact design of your page. Unless your authorship is acknowledged it is not covered by GFDL release and is therefore a breach of copyright. I would be quite happy to delete the copy on this basis, if you wish. Alternatively, you can ask the user to acknowledge your original authorship. Tyrenius ( talk) 02:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
With reference to User:Sgt.Boris is the inclusion of personal info (in this case a cell phone) removable by an admin, or is all I ought to do just advise him/her strongly that they are being rather foolish if that is their number... and even if it isn't that number might belong to someone, and it is going to get called. SGGH speak! 19:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a Wikipedia guideline. Can we please avoid references to WP:DICK? It's offensive and unnecessary, and contravenes WP:BEANS to boot. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Should pornographic images be disallowed in user pages, perhaps only in certain contexts? In which contexts should they be allowed? This came up recently here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:WebHamster&oldid=196464772. This edit has been reverted twice as of the posting of this RfC. This strikes me as an issue that will come up more in the future. Accordingly, there should probably be some mention of it in this guideline. Equazcion •✗/ C • 04:38, 7 Mar 2008 (UTC)
If you can put a picture of your dog on your user page then you can put a picture of your penis on your user page. We're not censored, but I wouldn't mind politely asking (not demanding) that people consider toning it down. -- Ned Scott 05:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
What we need here is one of those armpit pictures that looks like a woman when zoomed in. -- Ned Scott 04:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
← Cheeser, I beg you, don't waste your time. Sorry Igor, but really, this is ridiculous. You aren't saying anything coherent. Equazcion •✗/ C • 05:30, 8 Mar 2008 (UTC)
Since we're all taking about WP:CENSOR, let's quote it for everyone to see:
Here's the problem - emphasis mine to highlight the two issues. 1) These images are not here for fun. They are here to illustrate relevant content. They are not supposed to be places where they are not relevant to the content. 2) Use of this image on a userpage is not relevant to building the encyclopedia and has nothing to do with Wikipedia (in this case, it's here to make a funny pun about the president of the US). That violates WP:USERPAGE. So on both counts, this image is not allowed, per WP:CENSOR. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 21:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I've pointed to the policy that has repeatedly been used to (with consensus support) delete userpages that are collections of nude images:
The fact that Igor disagrees (or something, I can barely make heads or tails of his Alice-in-Wonderland rhetoric) and WebHamster doesn't want to remove it (obviously) hardly constitutes an unsurmountable opposition and consensus-stalemater. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 23:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Webhamster, almost every one of your comments recently has contained a personal attack or other sort of hostile, inappropriate language. Please refrain from turning this into one giant display of hostility and incivility. If you cannot contribute to this discussion without posting attack after attack, please stop. This is a policy discussion, and that's how everyone is going about it. No one has made this a personal issue but you, and stooping to personal attacks is going to make things much worse. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 01:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Since I have twice been accused, by two different editors, of not being a good enough lawyer to participate in this discussion, I quit. I have pointed to the policies in question, and despite the fact that this is not a court of law, I am being told that the consensus-backed policies and the precedents we have mean nothing because I cannot cite them in proper litigious fashion (and let's not forget the personal attacks). Webhamster, feel free to continue to stir up trouble in order to assert your freedom of expression. Because that's really important and a great way to build community while using your userpage to help build Wikipedia. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 00:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering, but out of many possible nude images, am I the only one who thought it was at least tasteful (as far as nude images go)? And it's highly subjective if nudity is a bad or good thing. There are many cultures that walk around nude or mostly nude, and have done so for hundreds of years. If this was an image of some guy ejaculating on something (which we do have an image of, as well as a video file), or someone taking a dump, then I think that would be more "universally offensive". The image on Hamster's userpage right now doesn't really bother me, at all. I wouldn't even call it pornographic. -- Ned Scott 04:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The one case where policy prohibits a user from removing a comment on their own talk page is for a declined unblock request. The request cannot be removed while the block is active. As I understand it, this is in order to prevent abuse of the unblock template. I have added this info to the guideline, as I believe it is merely a clarification of existing policy, rather than a change in policy or guideline. Correct me if I am wrong. -- Jaysweet ( talk) 20:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
Here's a revised version, since there have been several changes recently I figure I might make them here instead of making more changes to the page:
I don't know if that's too verbose, but I'm trying to hash out here what people are saying in this discussion. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 14:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
Cheeser1 touched on a point that I wanted to make too. In what sense does WP:IAR apply to User and Talk pages? Putting the question another way, in what way does the removal or otherwise of messages assist or prevent anyone from "improving or maintaining wikipedia"? This is a useful question to consider because, in a way, IAR is the zeroth law of wikipedia. Clearly there are cases (such as unblock requests) where consensus is clear that message removal would be harmful to admin efforts to maintain wikipedia, and there is also consensus that most other messages (including warning templates) may be removed without being harmful in that respect. The question, then, is where and how we draw the line. Sheffield Steel talk stalk 20:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I keep running into addled people who seem to think IP editors don't count as "users" and that therefore the admonition to stop being contrarian paper-pushers about warning removal doesn't "count" because it's on the "User page" guideline. This is both incorrect -- IP users are of course users and entitled to basic courtesy and fair treatment -- and even harmful -- revert warring with users on their own talk page about worthless template messages does nothing but breed animosity and contempt (if anything encouraging vandalism), put off potential editors and donors, waste time, and clog the servers. The community has repeatedly determined that warnings are not worth edit warring over. much less blocking over, at venues such as Wikipedia:Vandalism, Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Removing warnings, Wikipedia:Removing warnings, and even Wikipedia:User page. Oh-so productive template messages warning users for removing warnings were deleted some time ago, for these very reasons. Still, I have a feeling that so long as the relevant text remains on this particular page, it will continue to be willfully misread by those with nothing better to do than play cops and robbers by taunting caged tigers.
In short, this needs to be rectified. It's past time to get this over and done with. Either IP users should be explicitly mentioned in the text, or the particular text segment on warning removal should be moved to another page. – Luna Santin ( talk) 22:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
On User talk:Kei-clone, Kei-clone has stored a copy of MyAnimeList, an article fairly deleted through AfD for failing WP:WEB (by his own statement, it has now been deleted three times though only once through AfD). He first put this article on his talk page back in January, then removed it on March 17th when he recreated the page. The page was nominated for AfD on March 25th, at which point he archived the page to his user talk page again [4]. The page was deleted, along with a related page. I left Kei a note suggesting he now remove the article, per WP:USER or move to a subpage if he intends to work on the article to try to meet notability (which was never able to be established during the entire AfD). He said he can leave it on his main talk page if he wants to because it doesn't violate WP:USER. So my question is, does his archiving of a deleted article to his user talk page the way he has violate WP:USER? AnmaFinotera ( talk) 06:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
How many user subpages is one allowed to have? T.Neo ( talk) 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I am trying to get rid of a whole lot of fancrufty original research on the Prehistoric Park article. Basically it's a show where a a guy called Nigel Marvin goes back in time and captures dinosaurs to put into a zoo. Of course, like so many wikipedia articles on television shows, It attracted OR and fancruft like a magnet. And so I am trying to get rid of that, that is why I have made these subpages, here: User:T.Neo/Prehistoric park and User:T.Neo/List of animals in Prehistoric Park for test edits. By the way, I know a user called Dora Nichov. He claims to be a fennec fox in the sahara desert, but that is besides the point. He has a subpage User:Dora Nichov/Stories. Is this allowed? Just asking. T.Neo ( talk) 09:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The not criteria says that one may not have "Extensive personal opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia, wiki philosophy, collaboration, free content, the Creative Commons, etc" and "Polemical statements unrelated to Wikipedia." Would the politic sections on this user page be considered polemical and extensive personal opinions? AnmaFinotera ( talk) 00:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I see that "personal information of other editors without their consent" is to be avoided on userpages. What about people who are not Wikipedia editors? Are there any policies or guidelines that address the issue of personal information about other people not on Wikipedia? I have seen a userpage that has information on the editor's family members including full names, birth dates & birth places and details of their personal lives. I have not contacted the editor in question about this yet because I wanted to see if there were any guidelines.-- Beloved Freak 21:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
It may be a good idea to create a default stub and a bot to insert it on all users. This esentially would cause a script that is currently running every time a user accesses an uncreated userpage to be replaced with a script that would run once for each user. While it sounds like the same thing, it would make a much friendlier environment for the users, as you could put up a basic template there that would be editable.
Additionally, a template engine for generating userpages without fuss would also be nice. I'm not quite up to stuff on the Wiki layout yet, so I would not be the best person to create one, but having one could give new users a good tutorial of more advanced Wiki features. I know I could use one and I've been a periodic commenter for years. --
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10:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I have a screen shot of User:Example's page. Could it be used on the page? Wiki Zorro 15:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I've reported User:Tiptoety following the locking of my userpage. [6] and [7] Lugnuts ( talk) 19:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to re-hash the "freedom to shout Fire in a crowded theatre" argument. Rather than deleting the "offending" message, a better way to defuse this might be for an outside editor to change its background, colour or font. Personally I think that the "it's my userspace" argument becomes rather weak if the user insists that their message must be easily confusable with a legitimate system message. Say what you like, just not in a box that looks official. SHEFFIELDSTEEL TALK 19:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | [five edit conflicts and seven cigarettes later]This is an mind-numbingly stupid discussion. Everybody remembers my old userpage, and nobody gave a fuck about it until I ran for arbcom. Of course, it was summer, I was busting my ass for this site, editing around the clock, and most people (myself included) felt like I was doing something useful, so nobody cared. These days I find it more interesting to stare at the ceiling or out the window. Editing this site has clearly lost all of its recreational value for me. I don't think I'm alone in my sentiment. And it gets worse, every time some a critical mass of limp-dicked busybodies assembles to write their life-saving new rules, not because there is any real problem to be addressed, oh no, but because they have a biological need something for something easier to enforce. You're already in their crosshairs, they've just been fabricating a good enough reason to fire. To anybody reading this, if you feel like I'm describing you, please unplug your computer, box it up and take it back to Wal-Mart. You'll thank yourself for it and I will too. | ” |
— Freakofnurture, 05:25, Feb. 14, 2007 (UTC) |
Do they serve a purpose other than to humiliate someone or make them feel like an idiot? It's not like a practical joke that you play in person and can see the reaction so what purpose does it serve? LegoTech·( t)·( c) 05:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Are users allowed to have personal navboxes on their userpages or is it inappropriate? T.Neo ( talk contribs review me ) 10:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The previously uploaded short article was about Sir William Ferrers, the 5th Earl of Derby, Lord Tutbury. I was priviledged in 2004 in correctly identifying his effigy which is located in the small Gate Church of Our Lady of Merevale in Staffordshire. The effigy has been incorrectly assigned to a descendent and does not mention the fact that Sir William was a Crusading Knight Templar who actually died while supporting King Richard Lion Heart's military operations leading to the siege of Acre in Palestine in ca. 1195. The effigy is remarkably similar to the one of his coeval Templar-companion, Sir Geoffrey de Mandeville, located at the Temple Court in London. For those who wish to look at photographs and to read more about this amazing discovery, please go to http://wwwgensferreria.blogspot.com or contact me by e-mail on gensferreria@bigpond.com
To-day I wish to relate another interesting discovery I made in 2007 when visiting the Benedectine Abbey/Monastery located at 120 KM from Perth, Western Australia, called New Norcia. Since discovering the effigy of Sir William in Staffordshire, I seem to have become very receptive to Templar's voices and knowledge. At New Norcia which has been founded by spanish benedectine monks in the nineteenth century, i.e., Father Ildefonso Salvado, who was actually elevated to the dignity of a Bishop, one can witness the presence of several art works of a not-diminutive size, dedicated to the tradition of the Black Madonna. There are in fact striking presences of symbols which relate the art works at New Norcia to more primitive works in France and at Montserrat north of Barcelona, on the Costa Brava. Again I am going to upload a series of photos of these art works in the above mentioned blog. Please contact me by e-mail if interested. -- Ferrerix ( talk) 05:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC) signed-: Ferrerix
To put personal pictures (which is allowed) seems to be some kind of personal blog (which is not allowed) to me. Bennylin ( talk) 06:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
User Gary WebTrain ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has written two articles which have been deleted three times as per the blatant advertising WP:CSD#G11 speedy deletion criterion and the WP:NOT#ADVERTISING policy (see WebTrain Communications and WebTrain deletion logs) about his company. After the deletions, he began re-writing his article on his main userpage and solicited assistance from more experienced editors to help him bring his article into compliance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.
(There are other issues such as his conflict of interest and the username which reflects that, which have also been discussed on User talk:Athaenara#Deletion discussions and on User talk:Xavexgoem as well as on the user's own talk page. See also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User Gary WebTrain.)
His working userpage is not in compliance with WP:UP#NOT #6. Should it be speedily deleted as the articles were, prodded, or simply moved to a subpage of his userspace? — Athaenara ✉ 21:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Быдло —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.124.217 ( talk) 17:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys. Haven't been around much and was just notified of this edit and this one. This is a pretty major change as to how things have been done around here for a couple years. Could someone please point me in the direction of the discussion that preceded this? Thanks. — Satori Son 15:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Can the owner of a user talk page ban another user from posting on said talk page by declaring such a ban? Meaning: Let's say User:Example-A finds User:Example-B's comments annoying. Can User:Example-A declare and thus effectively "ban" User:Example-B from ever again posting on User_talk:Example-A? Is such a ban enforceable? Is breach of this ban an actionable offense? Thanks. -- Levine2112 discuss 23:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Original proposal: In a nutshell, I think we should clarify the issue of when to delete or not delete talk pages for indef. blocked users. I think there are situations where we do and should delete them, such as for vandals or trolls who might use them as "trophy" pages (or some other situation where WP:DENY would be a fair argument), but there are times when the talk page should simply be blanked and with the history preserved. I'm not sure how many people agree on this thinking, but I'm hoping we can find a criteria for what to delete and what not to delete that will be acceptable and functional. Thoughts on how we could word this? -- Ned Scott 05:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Although I had a very strong opinion about {{ temporary userpage}} when this started, and a mild concern that the cat is misnamed as I mentioned above, I was basically neutral on the deletion of the talk pages of users who are indefinitely blocked. However, I think Ned has strong arguments. I've stated to at least one editor who asked that in appropriate cases I would delete userpages but not user talk pages based on the indef block alone, in large part due to the absence of clear policy - absent such a policy I see no good reason to delete talk pages and I haven't seen any good arguments for general deletion. The rare cases where the user talk page is itself problematic should be handled via MfD (or occasionally PROD) on a case by case basis. Deleting the talk page of every indef blocked user who is not known to be a sock is pointless as far as I can tell and as Ned notes, deprives non-admins from viewing the talk page history. -- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
A possible idea to try out is to not tag pages for CAT:TEMP by default when using the normal tags. It could still be an option, but would require some input/evaluation form the tagging admin. Obvious problem pages could still be dealt with without "needless bureaucracy". -- Ned Scott 06:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I probably need to re-prod ANI and some template talk pages. Lately the RFC template doesn't seem to be pulling in a lot of people (noticed this in a few RfCs). -- Ned Scott 04:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I favor redirecting to their userpage, if it is felt necessary to implement WP:DENY. The talk page is part of a historical record that can support future tracking of such individuals (e.g. comparing their behavior to newly observed behavior by others) as well as future arbcom deliberations, etc. Also, I find it questionable that denying recognition through deletion actually accomplishes what we intend it to. Aldrich Hanssen ( talk) 18:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been very focused on this proposal, but I still believe it's a very good idea, and that we need to stop deleting user pages simply because they are for banned users. I'll try to start another RfC to get some more involvement, as this talk page turned out to be one of the more neglected venues around. -- Ned Scott 06:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
We use the information on a spammer's talk page to track a spammer across multiple IPs and sock accounts. This includes live links to the spam domains as well as specialized templates such as {{ LinkSummary}}, {{ IPSummary}} and {{ UserSummary}}. Such information is vital for keeping track of spam and prioritizing which spammers to concentrate on. The hard-core spammers -- those that go through multiple warnings and then get blocked -- will almost always come back with a new IP or user name and with more domains to spam. If we don't know that they've spammed us over and over again with different accounts, we won't prioritize them for things like increased monitoring, bot-tracking and domain blacklisting. We'll just think we've got some noob that doesn't know our rules, give him a {{ uw-spam1}} and move on. The fact that MediaWiki search doesn't see deleted talk pages doesn't help matters, either.
Code such as {{{category|[[Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}}
embedded in our block templates places the associated talk pages into the temporary user page category, setting them up to be deleted a few weeks later. As someone very involved with tracking and removing spam, I ask that spammer talk pages not be tagged as temporary and I strongly recommend not using code like this in our spam-related templates.
As for the idea that since admins can always see deleted versions of these pages so other editors don't need to: I think everyone should have access to spammer talk pages. This isn't some ideological issue about admins vs. other editors -- it's simply a practical matter. The majority of the people that help with spam warning and removal are not admins. Overall our 1000+ active admins are just a small part of perhaps 10,000 active, regular editors working hard to keep our 2 million articles reliable and useful in the face of over
100 edits/minute. A year ago, we were
were averaging >8000 links added per day and I'm sure it's gone up since then.
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While I know it's OK to remove comments from your own talk page (and that it implies you've read it), how much is WP:TPG used interchangably with user talk pages? I've recently had an editor (who's not a newbie) refactoring a number of my comments (on their page) into childish toilet humour. While this is their own page (and they have removed various warnings/cautions etc), how does WP:TPG apply to situations where it appears that I've been making unconstructive, childish remarks? Booglamay ( talk) 23:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you know how one can change his username? Thanks -- Be happy!! ( talk) 06:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone ever run into a situation in which a user's first edits were to put a bunch of stuff on their userpage, e.g. telling all about themselves, or about something they're interested in; and then later they went on to become a productive contributor outside userspace? I notice that on WP:MFD, many people nominate userpages to be deleted because a user has made no other edits outside userspace; but often this is right after the user joins Wikipedia. Could it be that some of them would have become active contributors if we hadn't deterred them by deleting their userpage? Aldrich Hanssen ( talk) 18:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
A proposed change to when and how user pages can be speedily deleted is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal to change CSD G7. That proposal and an associated one (linked from the proposal) concerns the action of blanking user pages. Something should be added to this page about when and why blanking might be appropriate in userspace, and making clear that deletion requests should be made explicitly, and that blanking is not enough. Carcharoth ( talk) 07:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Based on discussion at WT:CSD (see here), I've made the following change:
"Blanking of user subpages is interpreted by some as a deletion request. If you are blanking one of your user subpages and wish the page history to be kept, it is best to leave a note to that effect on the blank page (eg. "blanked to page history - please do not delete"). If you want a user subpage deleted, it is best to use {{ db-userreq}} to specifically request it, rather than blanking the page."
Please comment here if there are any objections. Thanks. Carcharoth ( talk) 17:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:UP#NOT/9 States:
What may I not have on my user page?
Generally, you should avoid substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a general hosting service, so your user page is not a personal homepage. Your page is about you as a Wikipedian. Examples of unrelated content include:
9. Material that can be construed as attacking other editors, including the recording of perceived flaws. An exception is made for evidence compiled within a reasonable time frame to prepare for a dispute resolution process. This exception is subject to common sense, but as a general rule, two weeks is a reasonable time to prepare such a page.
WP:UP#NOT/9 seems a tad unreasonable. It is not consistent with the preamble, as it is not about material that is unrelated to the encyclopedia, and in this respect it is unlike the rest of the list. It is an out of place oddball in the list. "can be construed" is both too generous to the complainant, and too poorly defined. On it's merits, I believe WP:UP#NOT/9 is bad because it is not necessarily a bad thing for users to record pereived flaws, including of other editors, especially important editors. Reference is made to exceptions. When and where are these exceptions, or is this self-referencial (ie pseudo scholarship, which we should get rid of). The recording of perceptions can easily be considered as work in progress for the improvement of the project, so why should time limits apply? -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
These are often deleted as attack pages rather than through MFD. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive449#Phil_Sandifer_deleting_pages_in_my_user_space_without_permission for a recent example. Given that, I think the claim that these pages are "generally OK" isn't right. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Also, the "can be viewed as an attack" is important, because the user who created the page will often argue the page is not actually an attack page. The key wuestion is whether it appears that way to other people. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion#User_talk:Posturewriter, I believe that WP:UP#NOT/9 is a problem and would be better off if it weren't there. Offensive userpage content is better treated as a dispute, covered better by Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. See the advice there. These things should not be attempted to be resolved by administrative avenues. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Should WP:USER#How do I delete my user talk pages? be modified to remove the first sentence? Recent discussions at the admin noticeboard regarding FCYTravis ( talk · contribs) (on Wikibreak) and Spartaz ( talk · contribs) (still editing) seem to indicate consensus is that users should be allowed to delete their talk pages, or have them deleted. Kelly hi! 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Holy Crap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.242.229.4 ( talk) 00:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a discussion as to whether {{ PROD}} (proposed deletion) should be allowed on User pages. Please comment at Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion#Prodding user pages. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 16:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I've come across two users today who are maintaing "guestbooks" on their user talk or sub pages. This violates the policy one using user pages as a personal website. if I ask the user to delete the page and s/he doesn't, do I still have to list them on MFD? Exploding Boy ( talk) 02:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone should write a section on using Special:AllPages to view or list your subpages. How can someone use {{ db-userreq}} to cleanup their subpages unless they remember the page names, find the page through User Contributions (which they might not find, if its a lost Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Temporary_review), or someone else made the subpage? It took me too long to figure out how to do it with Special:AllPages. Patcat88 ( talk) 09:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Please see here as this relates directly to this policy.
I'm perplexed. So some people believe that if I register an account of User:ChicagoWestGuy, make a user page that says "I'm from Chicago and I'm on Wikipedia," and then never edit again, I can have my user page deleted at some random point in the future? What if I just registered to get things like watchlist? What if I made one edit to Chicago or Talk:Chicago--does everything change, and I can have my user page forever? rootology ( C)( T) 18:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
And what is the threshold before their user pages should be immune to deletion? One edit? Two? Ten? This stuff seems too dramaz laden to not figure out so it's all routine, instead. rootology ( C)( T) 20:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The DRV is closed. There was not unanimity, but I think it is fair to say that the community is not especially concerned about userpages of never-active wikipedians.
I suggest adding WP:UP#NOT/14
Material that is, in total, excessive compared to your good faith contributions to the encyclopedia.
In the case of users that have only added information about themselves to their userpage, their userpage material would obviously be in excess. The statement would also cover cases where users of some past good faith activity begin to produce vast quantities of non-productive stuff in their userspace. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 09:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
laugh94♥ here I really love laughing and having fun I also love to read to thats why I'm here!!!!♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laugh94 ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
How did you do the heart thing? Zheliel ( talk) 13:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC) just a symbol i assume ATMarsden Talk · {Semi-Retired} 12:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The section "How do I create a user subpage?" doesn't say how to create anything...It merely discusses how subpages fit into the hierarchy of namespace and what a user might use a user subpage for. ChococatR ( talk) 00:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You have a subpage and you can explain how to create a subpage —Preceding
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How about goint finally all out and outright clarifying point 8 ("Polemical statements unrelated to Wikipedia") as outright forbidding explicit statements pro- or against- any real world political, religious or philosophical conflict?
I've yet to hear a single argument showing any usefulness to encyclopedia building, and those statements (whether specifically in a userbox-like format or not) are divisive and polarizing, helping to canvass and reinforce edit warring in controversial areas (the Troubles, I/P, Macedonia, etc.)
I'd be entirely in favor of removal on sight and swift blocks for disruptions for editors who persists in restoring them— there is no excuse for attempts to turn userpages into soapboxes or rhetoric platforms. — Coren (talk) 22:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to have user subpages that are intended to be pseudo-discussion forums about both wikirelated and non-wiki related topics? (specifically looking at User:Negabandit86/Forums and possibly User:Negabandit86/Trivia. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 19:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing the following changes under the "What may I not have on my user page?" subsection. (Changes in red)
The Wikipedia community is generally tolerant and offers fairly wide latitude in applying these guidelines to regular participants. Particularly, Community-building activities that are not strictly "on topic" may be allowed as well as a statement of personal achievements 1. , especially when initiated by committed Wikipedians with good edit histories. At their best, such activities help us to build the community, and this helps to build the encyclopedia. But at the same time, if user page activity becomes disruptive to the community or gets in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia, it must be modified to prevent disruption.
==Notes==
1. "statement of personal achievements" is anything a user has done that they consider notable to themselves as long as it is not blatant
spam. The statement "I founded and eventually sold a business, a publishing company that used recycled paper." is allowable while the statement "I own a business, a publishing company, that sells books on a website, for low prices" is not.
This is based on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Johnbuckman which showed a consensus that, based on What may I not have on my user page?, a user page may consist solely of outside work. Notability of the user was discussed and was shown that having Wikipedia article on yourself or your business's is not a factor in allowing these types of user pages. Thanks. Soundvisions1 ( talk) 14:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
From User talk:Bishzilla:
I don't want to needle this too hard but interface spoofs are nettlesome because they're time-wasting hoaxes and as such they're little bits of vandalism which I don't mind saying, are more often than not meant to waylay the heed of volunteers. Put them up on joke day but otherwise they're disruptive. Gwen Gale ( talk) 11:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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Is anything that is allowed on Wikipedia mainspace, such as Image:Doublepen.png, allowed to be on userpages? Also is a picture of a American flag burning is somehow extremely offensive? I didn't know because offensive is very subjective and I would consider the American flag not burning extremely offensive, so I didn't know how Wikipedia considers what is offensive and what is not. Thanks. — Christopher Mann McKay talk 18:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Silly question...how do I make my userpage noticed colored? Thanks. Bardofcornish ( talk) 22:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it allowed to update a user page of someone no longer editing Wikipedia, so that it does not contain inaccurate statements (due to elapsed time)? -- Zanimum ( talk) 15:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Friday removed a substantial part of the right to vanish [1]. Is there any consensus for this removal? JoshuaZ ( talk) 17:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I still think this bit should go. Anyone see a reason to keep it, other than status quo? Friday (talk) 21:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
How do i make a page of info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeganHealey ( talk • contribs)
Are users required (or expected) to use certain types of fonts, or can a user use any type of font on their talk page? -- Son ( talk) 19:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
This has been a bug bear of mine for a long time. I get fed up with explanations which employ self-referential examples. This seems to be a consistent oversight on behalf of techies who know the material so well that they cannot see just how confusing such practices are. Suppose a writer decides to give the user an example of how he/she can start up a user page for themselves. Now, is it good policy to name this example “Example”, as the writer does in the article? No, it is not. To use ‘example’ as an example for an example is not a good idea. In fact it is, from about a hundred billion possible words, probably the LAST word you would want to use. It is quite likely that the reader will become confused as to whether the word Example, so used, POINTS to an example to come, or is in fact the example itself. There are any number of wacky, zany user names in WP, and a writer on such topics would be well-advised to choose, as a hypothetical example, the wackiest name possible, so that there can be no mistake as to whether such a name is an example of a user name, as such, or the official name for a field, or a generic name for all such similar fields.
Ironically, it is the text concerning in-house WP procedures, written by WP insiders, which consistently provides readers with material that is stylistically and grammatically amongst the most inferior in WP, and typically transforms what should be straightforward procedural matters into damn hard work.
Here’s an idea for WP big brass. Why not have a fictional WP user called, say, kimdoe? Readers can follow this guy/girl’s adventures as they set up pages, edit articles and all the rest. Now wouldn’t that be a lot clearer than trying to deal with someone called ‘example’? This is a people’s encyclopedia, so let’s try writing clear, concise English, not the semi-literate geek boy jargon often found here. I’d have a go fixing it up myself, but it’s kind of Catch-22. To do that, I’d have to understand it a lot better, and frankly, a lot of this stuff just doesn’t make good sense.
On a final note, why does the writer of the piece start with informing the reader that ‘Example’ will be used as the example name, but then provides no such explanatory note for the companion example name ‘Mypage’ And if we accept Example and Mypage as names of pages of a hypothetical individual, then what the hell is ‘lipsum’? My brain hurts. Notthere ( talk) 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Stupid Question:
Why can't people put whatever they want on a User Page? It's a User Page, not a resource for information, and even for explicit materials there's no risk of linking to the pages by mistake (unless they set-up a link on a normal page which would just be vandalism). At most, I think that User's found to have "explicit" material should have some sort of warning attached to their user name, sort of like a spoiler warning. Other than that that the only other rule which makes sense to me is a ban on large file sizes, which is just for practical reasons.
Now...why am I wrong?
McBeardo ( talk) 02:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
No personal info, interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:IFeito http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SOPHIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Evercat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Andrew_c http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:C.Logan all from the first page of the editing history of a single page...
However, this does raise a new question: If I put a snazzy disclaimer like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Strothra on my User Page does that change things?
McBeardo ( talk) 18:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
That just raises further questions (which may Segway into speeches):
1)Can't you determine what a person's interests are by looking at their contribution list? The point of finding people with common interests is obviously for collaboration on topic, but there is no search function based on interests (that I know of, again I'm appealing to those more...invested...in "wikipedian law" here) and so collaborations arise semi-spontaneously through various people (often strangers to each other) editing articles which interest them as individuals (I think it's called open content). This means that posting interests is in fact unnecessary based on your justification for it, but that's ok because I think I have a better one: Wikipedia obviously has some degree of a community, and while it's stated purpose is not to be a social networking site, allowing people the freedom to make one page that is about them, or is just funny, would not detract from that, while helping to strengthen the community. It may also help to REDUCE vandalism, as one of the things that attracts people to screwing with Wikipedia is that it provides them with anonymity plus a huge audience (larger than any one forum), for free.
2)Of what encyclopedic value are User Names?This relates to the first question, just recording someone's IP address is enough to allow Wikipedia to stop vandalism (and the prevention measures are usualy an IP ban, not a User Name ban), and while you could easily assign "topics of expertise" to User Names, like I said before, even that isn't necessary if you consider that the open content formula of Wikipedia means that it's not organized, people make their contributions, and consensus determines the value of the contribution. Now, Wikipedia does have formal rules and regulations in place (and there seems to be more all the time), and that's fine, because as we all know, consensus on is no indication of truth (Argumentum ad populum). However, these rules all dictate how input is to be handled, the input itself is still left up to thousands of anonymous users submitting whatever they feel like, whenever they feel like submitting it, with no interaction between them required so long as the rules of Wikipedia are enforced by the more dutiful users. My point in all this, is that in choosing User Names, posting interests, and using the phrase "engaged community" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia#The_.22hive_mind.22), you've already acknowledged that in order to support this group of dutiful user's which Wikipedia relies on to enforce the rules, you have to allow them some latitude to..."socially network"...which will include content neither factual, nor worthy of an encyclopedia, but nonetheless important to THIS form of data accumulation.
3)Basically, can I please make my User Page a joke without it being taken down?
McBeardo ( talk) 01:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
1+2)Those more invested in Wikipedian law have spoken, thank you 3)I'll take it. McBeardo ( talk) 15:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I understand that one editor cannot go to another editor's talk page and restore a warning once it has been deleted by the owner. That makes sense because deletion by the owner amounts to acknowledging the warning.
However, what if the warning is to an IP address? I know some IPs are single user machines, but many IPs are for multi user machines. A user wanting to create mischief might not already realize that the IP has been warned multiple times, and that a single incident leads to a block.
I'm just thinking that on these IP accounts, often times there really is no "owner" of the Talk Page. Is there a strong reason as to why warnings should be able to still be taken down by any user who happens along? LonelyBeacon ( talk) 21:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I know a lot of editors use their userpage to have bios of themselves. But what about people who make bios with false info, like saying they won a championship or worked for a certain company. User:Animal91 is claiming he's worked for TNA and WWE and won titles in both organizations, all of which is BS. The editor is presenting this information as if it's real. Should I contact the user, or take this straight to WP:MFD? TJ Spyke 07:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I clarified this over at WP:No credential policy and there's currently a dispute over the article. If you could check it out, that'd be great. ☯ Zenwhat ( talk) 22:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I have two subpages right now (one is a sandbox). I want to have this one deleted to make way for a larger project (I don't want to hog space and I don't view the page in question as significant). How do I go about requesting that? -- § Hurricane E RIC archive 19:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Beyond the sturm und drang of
Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:BQZip01/Comments, an important issue has emerged.
Wikipedia:UP#NOT says that impermissible content of a user-space page includes:
The issue raised at this MfD concerns the definition of "reasonable time frame". So what constitutes "reasonable"? Presumably this is more than one hour and less than one year. Riana closed the MfD with an outside time limit in a quite reasonable assessment of the matter at hand.
Going forward:
This is not an attempt to again raise the particular MfD, however it serves as a case study to illuminate the issues at hand. Comments? Franamax ( talk) 06:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Userpages is not ....., but what if somebody creats a userpage as the only contribution to wikipedia and uses it as personal webpage? What happens than? I ask because I found the Userpage of User:Dark_Horse_King.-- Stone ( talk) 16:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the relatively recently added, undiscussed addition of the qualifier "extensive use of" before "polemical". Any use of a user page of polemical purposes is a de facto abuse of Wikipedia, and is not permitted at all. -- TS 20:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there anything against copying another persons userpage? User:Cimmo basically just copied my userpage and pasted it on his (he even left in the userboxes saying he is 21 and from New York even though he says he is 13 and from Australia). I have left him a friendly request to change it, but what if he refuses? Some of the userboxes are achievements which he hasn't earned (he had nothing to do with getting Wii to FA status while I was one of the biggest contributors, he is not an "Experienced and Established Editor" since he only has 500 edits while that Service Award requires 6000, etc.). TJ Spyke 01:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Your user page, along with all your contributions, is released under GFDL. This means that others can use it, as long as they follow GFDL requirements, one of which is acknowledging previous authors. You have copyright on the exact design of your page. Unless your authorship is acknowledged it is not covered by GFDL release and is therefore a breach of copyright. I would be quite happy to delete the copy on this basis, if you wish. Alternatively, you can ask the user to acknowledge your original authorship. Tyrenius ( talk) 02:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
With reference to User:Sgt.Boris is the inclusion of personal info (in this case a cell phone) removable by an admin, or is all I ought to do just advise him/her strongly that they are being rather foolish if that is their number... and even if it isn't that number might belong to someone, and it is going to get called. SGGH speak! 19:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a Wikipedia guideline. Can we please avoid references to WP:DICK? It's offensive and unnecessary, and contravenes WP:BEANS to boot. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Should pornographic images be disallowed in user pages, perhaps only in certain contexts? In which contexts should they be allowed? This came up recently here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:WebHamster&oldid=196464772. This edit has been reverted twice as of the posting of this RfC. This strikes me as an issue that will come up more in the future. Accordingly, there should probably be some mention of it in this guideline. Equazcion •✗/ C • 04:38, 7 Mar 2008 (UTC)
If you can put a picture of your dog on your user page then you can put a picture of your penis on your user page. We're not censored, but I wouldn't mind politely asking (not demanding) that people consider toning it down. -- Ned Scott 05:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
What we need here is one of those armpit pictures that looks like a woman when zoomed in. -- Ned Scott 04:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
← Cheeser, I beg you, don't waste your time. Sorry Igor, but really, this is ridiculous. You aren't saying anything coherent. Equazcion •✗/ C • 05:30, 8 Mar 2008 (UTC)
Since we're all taking about WP:CENSOR, let's quote it for everyone to see:
Here's the problem - emphasis mine to highlight the two issues. 1) These images are not here for fun. They are here to illustrate relevant content. They are not supposed to be places where they are not relevant to the content. 2) Use of this image on a userpage is not relevant to building the encyclopedia and has nothing to do with Wikipedia (in this case, it's here to make a funny pun about the president of the US). That violates WP:USERPAGE. So on both counts, this image is not allowed, per WP:CENSOR. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 21:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I've pointed to the policy that has repeatedly been used to (with consensus support) delete userpages that are collections of nude images:
The fact that Igor disagrees (or something, I can barely make heads or tails of his Alice-in-Wonderland rhetoric) and WebHamster doesn't want to remove it (obviously) hardly constitutes an unsurmountable opposition and consensus-stalemater. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 23:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Webhamster, almost every one of your comments recently has contained a personal attack or other sort of hostile, inappropriate language. Please refrain from turning this into one giant display of hostility and incivility. If you cannot contribute to this discussion without posting attack after attack, please stop. This is a policy discussion, and that's how everyone is going about it. No one has made this a personal issue but you, and stooping to personal attacks is going to make things much worse. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 01:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Since I have twice been accused, by two different editors, of not being a good enough lawyer to participate in this discussion, I quit. I have pointed to the policies in question, and despite the fact that this is not a court of law, I am being told that the consensus-backed policies and the precedents we have mean nothing because I cannot cite them in proper litigious fashion (and let's not forget the personal attacks). Webhamster, feel free to continue to stir up trouble in order to assert your freedom of expression. Because that's really important and a great way to build community while using your userpage to help build Wikipedia. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 00:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering, but out of many possible nude images, am I the only one who thought it was at least tasteful (as far as nude images go)? And it's highly subjective if nudity is a bad or good thing. There are many cultures that walk around nude or mostly nude, and have done so for hundreds of years. If this was an image of some guy ejaculating on something (which we do have an image of, as well as a video file), or someone taking a dump, then I think that would be more "universally offensive". The image on Hamster's userpage right now doesn't really bother me, at all. I wouldn't even call it pornographic. -- Ned Scott 04:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The one case where policy prohibits a user from removing a comment on their own talk page is for a declined unblock request. The request cannot be removed while the block is active. As I understand it, this is in order to prevent abuse of the unblock template. I have added this info to the guideline, as I believe it is merely a clarification of existing policy, rather than a change in policy or guideline. Correct me if I am wrong. -- Jaysweet ( talk) 20:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
Here's a revised version, since there have been several changes recently I figure I might make them here instead of making more changes to the page:
I don't know if that's too verbose, but I'm trying to hash out here what people are saying in this discussion. -- Cheeser1 ( talk) 14:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
Cheeser1 touched on a point that I wanted to make too. In what sense does WP:IAR apply to User and Talk pages? Putting the question another way, in what way does the removal or otherwise of messages assist or prevent anyone from "improving or maintaining wikipedia"? This is a useful question to consider because, in a way, IAR is the zeroth law of wikipedia. Clearly there are cases (such as unblock requests) where consensus is clear that message removal would be harmful to admin efforts to maintain wikipedia, and there is also consensus that most other messages (including warning templates) may be removed without being harmful in that respect. The question, then, is where and how we draw the line. Sheffield Steel talk stalk 20:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I keep running into addled people who seem to think IP editors don't count as "users" and that therefore the admonition to stop being contrarian paper-pushers about warning removal doesn't "count" because it's on the "User page" guideline. This is both incorrect -- IP users are of course users and entitled to basic courtesy and fair treatment -- and even harmful -- revert warring with users on their own talk page about worthless template messages does nothing but breed animosity and contempt (if anything encouraging vandalism), put off potential editors and donors, waste time, and clog the servers. The community has repeatedly determined that warnings are not worth edit warring over. much less blocking over, at venues such as Wikipedia:Vandalism, Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Removing warnings, Wikipedia:Removing warnings, and even Wikipedia:User page. Oh-so productive template messages warning users for removing warnings were deleted some time ago, for these very reasons. Still, I have a feeling that so long as the relevant text remains on this particular page, it will continue to be willfully misread by those with nothing better to do than play cops and robbers by taunting caged tigers.
In short, this needs to be rectified. It's past time to get this over and done with. Either IP users should be explicitly mentioned in the text, or the particular text segment on warning removal should be moved to another page. – Luna Santin ( talk) 22:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
On User talk:Kei-clone, Kei-clone has stored a copy of MyAnimeList, an article fairly deleted through AfD for failing WP:WEB (by his own statement, it has now been deleted three times though only once through AfD). He first put this article on his talk page back in January, then removed it on March 17th when he recreated the page. The page was nominated for AfD on March 25th, at which point he archived the page to his user talk page again [4]. The page was deleted, along with a related page. I left Kei a note suggesting he now remove the article, per WP:USER or move to a subpage if he intends to work on the article to try to meet notability (which was never able to be established during the entire AfD). He said he can leave it on his main talk page if he wants to because it doesn't violate WP:USER. So my question is, does his archiving of a deleted article to his user talk page the way he has violate WP:USER? AnmaFinotera ( talk) 06:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
How many user subpages is one allowed to have? T.Neo ( talk) 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I am trying to get rid of a whole lot of fancrufty original research on the Prehistoric Park article. Basically it's a show where a a guy called Nigel Marvin goes back in time and captures dinosaurs to put into a zoo. Of course, like so many wikipedia articles on television shows, It attracted OR and fancruft like a magnet. And so I am trying to get rid of that, that is why I have made these subpages, here: User:T.Neo/Prehistoric park and User:T.Neo/List of animals in Prehistoric Park for test edits. By the way, I know a user called Dora Nichov. He claims to be a fennec fox in the sahara desert, but that is besides the point. He has a subpage User:Dora Nichov/Stories. Is this allowed? Just asking. T.Neo ( talk) 09:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The not criteria says that one may not have "Extensive personal opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia, wiki philosophy, collaboration, free content, the Creative Commons, etc" and "Polemical statements unrelated to Wikipedia." Would the politic sections on this user page be considered polemical and extensive personal opinions? AnmaFinotera ( talk) 00:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I see that "personal information of other editors without their consent" is to be avoided on userpages. What about people who are not Wikipedia editors? Are there any policies or guidelines that address the issue of personal information about other people not on Wikipedia? I have seen a userpage that has information on the editor's family members including full names, birth dates & birth places and details of their personal lives. I have not contacted the editor in question about this yet because I wanted to see if there were any guidelines.-- Beloved Freak 21:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
It may be a good idea to create a default stub and a bot to insert it on all users. This esentially would cause a script that is currently running every time a user accesses an uncreated userpage to be replaced with a script that would run once for each user. While it sounds like the same thing, it would make a much friendlier environment for the users, as you could put up a basic template there that would be editable.
Additionally, a template engine for generating userpages without fuss would also be nice. I'm not quite up to stuff on the Wiki layout yet, so I would not be the best person to create one, but having one could give new users a good tutorial of more advanced Wiki features. I know I could use one and I've been a periodic commenter for years. --
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I have a screen shot of User:Example's page. Could it be used on the page? Wiki Zorro 15:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I've reported User:Tiptoety following the locking of my userpage. [6] and [7] Lugnuts ( talk) 19:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to re-hash the "freedom to shout Fire in a crowded theatre" argument. Rather than deleting the "offending" message, a better way to defuse this might be for an outside editor to change its background, colour or font. Personally I think that the "it's my userspace" argument becomes rather weak if the user insists that their message must be easily confusable with a legitimate system message. Say what you like, just not in a box that looks official. SHEFFIELDSTEEL TALK 19:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | [five edit conflicts and seven cigarettes later]This is an mind-numbingly stupid discussion. Everybody remembers my old userpage, and nobody gave a fuck about it until I ran for arbcom. Of course, it was summer, I was busting my ass for this site, editing around the clock, and most people (myself included) felt like I was doing something useful, so nobody cared. These days I find it more interesting to stare at the ceiling or out the window. Editing this site has clearly lost all of its recreational value for me. I don't think I'm alone in my sentiment. And it gets worse, every time some a critical mass of limp-dicked busybodies assembles to write their life-saving new rules, not because there is any real problem to be addressed, oh no, but because they have a biological need something for something easier to enforce. You're already in their crosshairs, they've just been fabricating a good enough reason to fire. To anybody reading this, if you feel like I'm describing you, please unplug your computer, box it up and take it back to Wal-Mart. You'll thank yourself for it and I will too. | ” |
— Freakofnurture, 05:25, Feb. 14, 2007 (UTC) |
Do they serve a purpose other than to humiliate someone or make them feel like an idiot? It's not like a practical joke that you play in person and can see the reaction so what purpose does it serve? LegoTech·( t)·( c) 05:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Are users allowed to have personal navboxes on their userpages or is it inappropriate? T.Neo ( talk contribs review me ) 10:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The previously uploaded short article was about Sir William Ferrers, the 5th Earl of Derby, Lord Tutbury. I was priviledged in 2004 in correctly identifying his effigy which is located in the small Gate Church of Our Lady of Merevale in Staffordshire. The effigy has been incorrectly assigned to a descendent and does not mention the fact that Sir William was a Crusading Knight Templar who actually died while supporting King Richard Lion Heart's military operations leading to the siege of Acre in Palestine in ca. 1195. The effigy is remarkably similar to the one of his coeval Templar-companion, Sir Geoffrey de Mandeville, located at the Temple Court in London. For those who wish to look at photographs and to read more about this amazing discovery, please go to http://wwwgensferreria.blogspot.com or contact me by e-mail on gensferreria@bigpond.com
To-day I wish to relate another interesting discovery I made in 2007 when visiting the Benedectine Abbey/Monastery located at 120 KM from Perth, Western Australia, called New Norcia. Since discovering the effigy of Sir William in Staffordshire, I seem to have become very receptive to Templar's voices and knowledge. At New Norcia which has been founded by spanish benedectine monks in the nineteenth century, i.e., Father Ildefonso Salvado, who was actually elevated to the dignity of a Bishop, one can witness the presence of several art works of a not-diminutive size, dedicated to the tradition of the Black Madonna. There are in fact striking presences of symbols which relate the art works at New Norcia to more primitive works in France and at Montserrat north of Barcelona, on the Costa Brava. Again I am going to upload a series of photos of these art works in the above mentioned blog. Please contact me by e-mail if interested. -- Ferrerix ( talk) 05:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC) signed-: Ferrerix
To put personal pictures (which is allowed) seems to be some kind of personal blog (which is not allowed) to me. Bennylin ( talk) 06:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
User Gary WebTrain ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has written two articles which have been deleted three times as per the blatant advertising WP:CSD#G11 speedy deletion criterion and the WP:NOT#ADVERTISING policy (see WebTrain Communications and WebTrain deletion logs) about his company. After the deletions, he began re-writing his article on his main userpage and solicited assistance from more experienced editors to help him bring his article into compliance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.
(There are other issues such as his conflict of interest and the username which reflects that, which have also been discussed on User talk:Athaenara#Deletion discussions and on User talk:Xavexgoem as well as on the user's own talk page. See also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User Gary WebTrain.)
His working userpage is not in compliance with WP:UP#NOT #6. Should it be speedily deleted as the articles were, prodded, or simply moved to a subpage of his userspace? — Athaenara ✉ 21:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Быдло —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.124.217 ( talk) 17:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys. Haven't been around much and was just notified of this edit and this one. This is a pretty major change as to how things have been done around here for a couple years. Could someone please point me in the direction of the discussion that preceded this? Thanks. — Satori Son 15:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Can the owner of a user talk page ban another user from posting on said talk page by declaring such a ban? Meaning: Let's say User:Example-A finds User:Example-B's comments annoying. Can User:Example-A declare and thus effectively "ban" User:Example-B from ever again posting on User_talk:Example-A? Is such a ban enforceable? Is breach of this ban an actionable offense? Thanks. -- Levine2112 discuss 23:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Original proposal: In a nutshell, I think we should clarify the issue of when to delete or not delete talk pages for indef. blocked users. I think there are situations where we do and should delete them, such as for vandals or trolls who might use them as "trophy" pages (or some other situation where WP:DENY would be a fair argument), but there are times when the talk page should simply be blanked and with the history preserved. I'm not sure how many people agree on this thinking, but I'm hoping we can find a criteria for what to delete and what not to delete that will be acceptable and functional. Thoughts on how we could word this? -- Ned Scott 05:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Although I had a very strong opinion about {{ temporary userpage}} when this started, and a mild concern that the cat is misnamed as I mentioned above, I was basically neutral on the deletion of the talk pages of users who are indefinitely blocked. However, I think Ned has strong arguments. I've stated to at least one editor who asked that in appropriate cases I would delete userpages but not user talk pages based on the indef block alone, in large part due to the absence of clear policy - absent such a policy I see no good reason to delete talk pages and I haven't seen any good arguments for general deletion. The rare cases where the user talk page is itself problematic should be handled via MfD (or occasionally PROD) on a case by case basis. Deleting the talk page of every indef blocked user who is not known to be a sock is pointless as far as I can tell and as Ned notes, deprives non-admins from viewing the talk page history. -- Doug.( talk • contribs) 03:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
A possible idea to try out is to not tag pages for CAT:TEMP by default when using the normal tags. It could still be an option, but would require some input/evaluation form the tagging admin. Obvious problem pages could still be dealt with without "needless bureaucracy". -- Ned Scott 06:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I probably need to re-prod ANI and some template talk pages. Lately the RFC template doesn't seem to be pulling in a lot of people (noticed this in a few RfCs). -- Ned Scott 04:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I favor redirecting to their userpage, if it is felt necessary to implement WP:DENY. The talk page is part of a historical record that can support future tracking of such individuals (e.g. comparing their behavior to newly observed behavior by others) as well as future arbcom deliberations, etc. Also, I find it questionable that denying recognition through deletion actually accomplishes what we intend it to. Aldrich Hanssen ( talk) 18:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been very focused on this proposal, but I still believe it's a very good idea, and that we need to stop deleting user pages simply because they are for banned users. I'll try to start another RfC to get some more involvement, as this talk page turned out to be one of the more neglected venues around. -- Ned Scott 06:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
We use the information on a spammer's talk page to track a spammer across multiple IPs and sock accounts. This includes live links to the spam domains as well as specialized templates such as {{ LinkSummary}}, {{ IPSummary}} and {{ UserSummary}}. Such information is vital for keeping track of spam and prioritizing which spammers to concentrate on. The hard-core spammers -- those that go through multiple warnings and then get blocked -- will almost always come back with a new IP or user name and with more domains to spam. If we don't know that they've spammed us over and over again with different accounts, we won't prioritize them for things like increased monitoring, bot-tracking and domain blacklisting. We'll just think we've got some noob that doesn't know our rules, give him a {{ uw-spam1}} and move on. The fact that MediaWiki search doesn't see deleted talk pages doesn't help matters, either.
Code such as {{{category|[[Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}}
embedded in our block templates places the associated talk pages into the temporary user page category, setting them up to be deleted a few weeks later. As someone very involved with tracking and removing spam, I ask that spammer talk pages not be tagged as temporary and I strongly recommend not using code like this in our spam-related templates.
As for the idea that since admins can always see deleted versions of these pages so other editors don't need to: I think everyone should have access to spammer talk pages. This isn't some ideological issue about admins vs. other editors -- it's simply a practical matter. The majority of the people that help with spam warning and removal are not admins. Overall our 1000+ active admins are just a small part of perhaps 10,000 active, regular editors working hard to keep our 2 million articles reliable and useful in the face of over
100 edits/minute. A year ago, we were
were averaging >8000 links added per day and I'm sure it's gone up since then.
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While I know it's OK to remove comments from your own talk page (and that it implies you've read it), how much is WP:TPG used interchangably with user talk pages? I've recently had an editor (who's not a newbie) refactoring a number of my comments (on their page) into childish toilet humour. While this is their own page (and they have removed various warnings/cautions etc), how does WP:TPG apply to situations where it appears that I've been making unconstructive, childish remarks? Booglamay ( talk) 23:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you know how one can change his username? Thanks -- Be happy!! ( talk) 06:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone ever run into a situation in which a user's first edits were to put a bunch of stuff on their userpage, e.g. telling all about themselves, or about something they're interested in; and then later they went on to become a productive contributor outside userspace? I notice that on WP:MFD, many people nominate userpages to be deleted because a user has made no other edits outside userspace; but often this is right after the user joins Wikipedia. Could it be that some of them would have become active contributors if we hadn't deterred them by deleting their userpage? Aldrich Hanssen ( talk) 18:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
A proposed change to when and how user pages can be speedily deleted is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal to change CSD G7. That proposal and an associated one (linked from the proposal) concerns the action of blanking user pages. Something should be added to this page about when and why blanking might be appropriate in userspace, and making clear that deletion requests should be made explicitly, and that blanking is not enough. Carcharoth ( talk) 07:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Based on discussion at WT:CSD (see here), I've made the following change:
"Blanking of user subpages is interpreted by some as a deletion request. If you are blanking one of your user subpages and wish the page history to be kept, it is best to leave a note to that effect on the blank page (eg. "blanked to page history - please do not delete"). If you want a user subpage deleted, it is best to use {{ db-userreq}} to specifically request it, rather than blanking the page."
Please comment here if there are any objections. Thanks. Carcharoth ( talk) 17:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:UP#NOT/9 States:
What may I not have on my user page?
Generally, you should avoid substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a general hosting service, so your user page is not a personal homepage. Your page is about you as a Wikipedian. Examples of unrelated content include:
9. Material that can be construed as attacking other editors, including the recording of perceived flaws. An exception is made for evidence compiled within a reasonable time frame to prepare for a dispute resolution process. This exception is subject to common sense, but as a general rule, two weeks is a reasonable time to prepare such a page.
WP:UP#NOT/9 seems a tad unreasonable. It is not consistent with the preamble, as it is not about material that is unrelated to the encyclopedia, and in this respect it is unlike the rest of the list. It is an out of place oddball in the list. "can be construed" is both too generous to the complainant, and too poorly defined. On it's merits, I believe WP:UP#NOT/9 is bad because it is not necessarily a bad thing for users to record pereived flaws, including of other editors, especially important editors. Reference is made to exceptions. When and where are these exceptions, or is this self-referencial (ie pseudo scholarship, which we should get rid of). The recording of perceptions can easily be considered as work in progress for the improvement of the project, so why should time limits apply? -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
These are often deleted as attack pages rather than through MFD. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive449#Phil_Sandifer_deleting_pages_in_my_user_space_without_permission for a recent example. Given that, I think the claim that these pages are "generally OK" isn't right. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Also, the "can be viewed as an attack" is important, because the user who created the page will often argue the page is not actually an attack page. The key wuestion is whether it appears that way to other people. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion#User_talk:Posturewriter, I believe that WP:UP#NOT/9 is a problem and would be better off if it weren't there. Offensive userpage content is better treated as a dispute, covered better by Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. See the advice there. These things should not be attempted to be resolved by administrative avenues. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Should WP:USER#How do I delete my user talk pages? be modified to remove the first sentence? Recent discussions at the admin noticeboard regarding FCYTravis ( talk · contribs) (on Wikibreak) and Spartaz ( talk · contribs) (still editing) seem to indicate consensus is that users should be allowed to delete their talk pages, or have them deleted. Kelly hi! 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Holy Crap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.242.229.4 ( talk) 00:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a discussion as to whether {{ PROD}} (proposed deletion) should be allowed on User pages. Please comment at Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion#Prodding user pages. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 16:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I've come across two users today who are maintaing "guestbooks" on their user talk or sub pages. This violates the policy one using user pages as a personal website. if I ask the user to delete the page and s/he doesn't, do I still have to list them on MFD? Exploding Boy ( talk) 02:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone should write a section on using Special:AllPages to view or list your subpages. How can someone use {{ db-userreq}} to cleanup their subpages unless they remember the page names, find the page through User Contributions (which they might not find, if its a lost Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Temporary_review), or someone else made the subpage? It took me too long to figure out how to do it with Special:AllPages. Patcat88 ( talk) 09:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Please see here as this relates directly to this policy.
I'm perplexed. So some people believe that if I register an account of User:ChicagoWestGuy, make a user page that says "I'm from Chicago and I'm on Wikipedia," and then never edit again, I can have my user page deleted at some random point in the future? What if I just registered to get things like watchlist? What if I made one edit to Chicago or Talk:Chicago--does everything change, and I can have my user page forever? rootology ( C)( T) 18:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
And what is the threshold before their user pages should be immune to deletion? One edit? Two? Ten? This stuff seems too dramaz laden to not figure out so it's all routine, instead. rootology ( C)( T) 20:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The DRV is closed. There was not unanimity, but I think it is fair to say that the community is not especially concerned about userpages of never-active wikipedians.
I suggest adding WP:UP#NOT/14
Material that is, in total, excessive compared to your good faith contributions to the encyclopedia.
In the case of users that have only added information about themselves to their userpage, their userpage material would obviously be in excess. The statement would also cover cases where users of some past good faith activity begin to produce vast quantities of non-productive stuff in their userspace. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 09:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
laugh94♥ here I really love laughing and having fun I also love to read to thats why I'm here!!!!♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laugh94 ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
How did you do the heart thing? Zheliel ( talk) 13:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC) just a symbol i assume ATMarsden Talk · {Semi-Retired} 12:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The section "How do I create a user subpage?" doesn't say how to create anything...It merely discusses how subpages fit into the hierarchy of namespace and what a user might use a user subpage for. ChococatR ( talk) 00:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You have a subpage and you can explain how to create a subpage —Preceding
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How about goint finally all out and outright clarifying point 8 ("Polemical statements unrelated to Wikipedia") as outright forbidding explicit statements pro- or against- any real world political, religious or philosophical conflict?
I've yet to hear a single argument showing any usefulness to encyclopedia building, and those statements (whether specifically in a userbox-like format or not) are divisive and polarizing, helping to canvass and reinforce edit warring in controversial areas (the Troubles, I/P, Macedonia, etc.)
I'd be entirely in favor of removal on sight and swift blocks for disruptions for editors who persists in restoring them— there is no excuse for attempts to turn userpages into soapboxes or rhetoric platforms. — Coren (talk) 22:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to have user subpages that are intended to be pseudo-discussion forums about both wikirelated and non-wiki related topics? (specifically looking at User:Negabandit86/Forums and possibly User:Negabandit86/Trivia. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 19:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing the following changes under the "What may I not have on my user page?" subsection. (Changes in red)
The Wikipedia community is generally tolerant and offers fairly wide latitude in applying these guidelines to regular participants. Particularly, Community-building activities that are not strictly "on topic" may be allowed as well as a statement of personal achievements 1. , especially when initiated by committed Wikipedians with good edit histories. At their best, such activities help us to build the community, and this helps to build the encyclopedia. But at the same time, if user page activity becomes disruptive to the community or gets in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia, it must be modified to prevent disruption.
==Notes==
1. "statement of personal achievements" is anything a user has done that they consider notable to themselves as long as it is not blatant
spam. The statement "I founded and eventually sold a business, a publishing company that used recycled paper." is allowable while the statement "I own a business, a publishing company, that sells books on a website, for low prices" is not.
This is based on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Johnbuckman which showed a consensus that, based on What may I not have on my user page?, a user page may consist solely of outside work. Notability of the user was discussed and was shown that having Wikipedia article on yourself or your business's is not a factor in allowing these types of user pages. Thanks. Soundvisions1 ( talk) 14:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
From User talk:Bishzilla:
I don't want to needle this too hard but interface spoofs are nettlesome because they're time-wasting hoaxes and as such they're little bits of vandalism which I don't mind saying, are more often than not meant to waylay the heed of volunteers. Put them up on joke day but otherwise they're disruptive. Gwen Gale ( talk) 11:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)