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Hello, User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard is currently up for deletion.
My question:
I am wondering what the precedence is on deleting userpages which encourage others to comment a certain way in AfDs and on wikipolicy.
Wikipedia:Spam#Canvassing and Wikipedia:User page don't seem to address this particular issue.
Thus far, no one has shared any precedence. By precedence I mean, a history of other userpages similar to User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard which have survived or been deleted in AfDs. Merry Christmas, Thanks in advance. Happy holidays, Travb ( talk) 02:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Morton devonshire 00:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The 9/11 Conspiracy Noticeboard, in an editor's own user space has been a bone of contention.
The owner just changes the rules stating: "I've decided to change the rules a bit to defuse things. From now on, the only person who gets to post new items is me"
Is this allowed? WP is ambiguous:
As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community
In general it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission. Some users are fine with their user pages being edited, and may even have a note to that effect. Other users may object and ask you not to edit their user pages, and it is probably sensible to respect their requests. [end quoted text]
9/11 Conspiracy Theory Board - Discussion A ruling please! Thanks - Fairness And Accuracy For All 06:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the Administrators' noticeboard about an admin deleting from someone's user page a large 400 pixel picture of Hillary Clinton which had the caption "Please support Hillary Clinton for President in 2008.", on the grounds that it was polemic and a violation of the rules here by being a campaign poster, with the comment "rm political advocacy". It was restored with just her name below it and deleted again by the admin. In discussion it was judged that it was better to ask the user to delete the picture. It was stated that the 400 pixel image was too large to be on a user page. Another user has a 120 pixel image of John McCain, with his name under it, which someone said appeared a reasonable size. Lots of user have little pictures of political candidates in boxes that express their like or dislike for them or their opposition to vandalism. It was suggested to bring the discussion here. We are looking at another 22 months of the U.S. Presidential campaign, and if people are going to be edit warring about pictures or statements advocating candidates, it would be helpful to have clearly stated rules on this page. This is part of the larger issue of people having all those little boxes saying they are anti-Bush, prochoice, antiguncontrol, or whatever. How much such advocacy is allowed? Edison 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that a particular user repeatedly blanks their talk page of all information except for praise and thank yous. What are your thoughts on this practice? Sancho McCann 21:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
As noted above, "Other users may edit pages in your user space, although by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others." As one of the editors on Wikipedia:User categories for discussion, I'd like to make that more clear in regards categories that place user pages into Wikipedian categories. I'm not sure what it should say, but perhaps something like, "If you use categories on your user page, the names of these categories may be edited or deleted without consultation if those categories are brought up on Wikipedia:User categories for discussion first." Does that make sense?-- Mike Selinker 21:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Britzo 22:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
There's no need for any clarification. It's pretty straightforward the way it is under general userpage policy. Everybody labels themselves, with the exception of administrative edits. If a category name is changed, then the cat tags on the user's page will probably be changed via AWB or by bot. No big deal. Some notices have categories built-in, like the suspected sockpuppet notice. But for the most part, users have always been and currently are in control of the cats used on their user pages. There's no need for that to change. If a user goes way overboard and is proven to be misrepresenting himself (for instance as an expert when he really is not), then the issue can be taken to RfC. Wikipedia has plenty of policies already, and they cover the userpage category issue adequately, IMHO. The Transhumanist 17:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, please comment here. Thanks: -- Sadi Carnot 19:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The discussion of the newly added paragraph is here. CMummert · talk 13:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a straw poll to determine consensus at the villiage pump. — Doug Bell talk 08:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Having read the views as expressed by folks on the various discussions and the straw poll above about this there appears to be a general consensus about certain aspects of the banner practical joke. They are:
This would give some authority to those who want to remove inappropriate (per the last two criteria) banners immediately as well as those inclined to request users to remove their joke banners (per the first criteria) but if joke banner users insist (and don't fall under the last two criteria) they could still keep them. I don't see why we can't introduce these generally agreed upon aspects of the current practical joke "new message" discussion into this guideline right away. What might the views of others be on this? ( → Netscott) 17:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
How about:
I don't think the issue is even about joke banners per se. It is about doing things that are intentionally misleading in a way that degrades the user experience. Also, I am all for forbidding spoofing the user interface, but I think we can at least agree on discouraging it even if we can't (yet) agree on forbidding it. Dragons flight 18:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
David, it is a bit disappointing that you're in a sense "stepping backwards" here... obviously the community has expressed its lack of consensus on how to view this... now you want to call it "link vandalism". Even the policy specifies that it is about "modifying"... and it is also clear what the link vandalism "type" is referring to.
I was inviting you to introduce into the guideline the language we're arriving at here (with EVula's last comment in particular in mind) per your agreeance about "beany", etc. ( → Netscott) 21:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I am about to add this then.. I'm going to start a new (==) section entitled "What is discouraged on my user page?" with a subheading of (===) "Simulated MediaWiki interfaces" and put this new version there. Given the community's consensus on that wording I think a new section like this makes sense and it will allow for further expansion as time goes by. Do you have an opinion on that? ( → Netscott) 22:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Kin we include examples of useful design elements - both basic and advanced? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rklawton ( talk • contribs).
The section header for "What is discouraged...?" was removed placing "simulated MediaWiki interfaces" in the "What is not allowed...?" section. I believe that it's important to recognize that there is still no consensus on disallowing these elements even if most can agree to discourage them. That distinction is important and why I re-added the section header. ju66l3r 04:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I know what an interface is from my experience with computers but those which aren't acquainted with the idea of an "interface", may not grasp the concept of one that is Wikimedia and simulated. It is (in this context) a computer term. This could be clarified by inclusion of an example feature of the Wikimedia interface. -- Seans Potato Business 02:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
He'll know what to do... -- Seans Potato Business 02:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines on using a userpage just for advertising? User:Provocativedj seems to be doing just this, and hasn't made any encyclopedic contributions. I couldn't find any policies or guidelines about this. Belovedfreak 20:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
We are getting a lot of this in Wikipedia:Changing username - people wishing to have their username renamed to their real name to "make their article easier to find" as one put it. I've been rejecting them and pointing them at this page but I suggest we may want to add an actual section making clear our policy on vanity article userpages. For today's example see User:Dpcelestine and contributions. I'd be happier if our policy was stated rather than being based on "blatent advertising". We may also want to stop userpages being indexed by google - although that may cause problems elsewhere. Secretlondon 23:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
It says in the article that user subpages can contain "A work in progress, until it is ready to be released". I am wondering if work-in-progress articles in user subpages are subject to the policy "If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it". For example, if someone's working on an article on a subpage in their userspace and I feel that it's already good enough to "go public", would it be innapproriate for me to create a new article with that material? On the one hand, there's the argument that I'm intruding into their personal space and disrupting the creative process. On the other hand, one could argue that they are withholding information that could be usefull to someone and preventing it from being edited. Also, isn't wikipedia a public place, which means that by making any edits you're allowing those edits to be appropriated by others?
Anyway, just wondering what people think. Esn 03:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Instructions on how to reach an anonymous user's page would be helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.176.85.30 ( talk) 01:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
User talk:66.176.85.30
into the search box and click "Go". Or you could look at Wikipedia:Why create an account?. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Now that the User:Essjay controversy is in full swing... does the community wish to advance any rules concerning deliberate misinformation on the user page? Grounds for banning? Desysopping? Higher priveleges like checkuser? Or Not a big deal?
And if one discovers that another's user page contains misinformation, how to deal with it (and not violate WP:ATTACK?)
I suspect many Wikipedia user pages contain misinformation or outright whoppers. In some cases, to avoid stalkers or protect one's real identity; in some cases, to have more clout in an edit dispute, in some cases for fun.
An obvious recommendation going forward: If you wish to conceal your identity, simply leave no identifying information at all.
Thoughts? -- EngineerScotty 20:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
See also User:Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification. -- Jeandré, 2007-03-12 t15:19z
I wanted to revert the new rule [1] that was just added, because I see no discussion about it at all, and it is certainly a very big new rule. The page is semi-protected, and my account is new, so I cannot remove it. Can we discuss this before adding the new rule? HowIBecameCivil 00:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that one's personal details are not relevant, true or not, to building an encyclopedia. Perhaps we can wait for more opinions on this matter. HowIBecameCivil 00:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
It was more my attempt to start a discussion than to object to the rule. I have no real opinion on it. HowIBecameCivil 00:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm probably being more verbose than necessary, but I can't help it. The tolerance of what Essjay did by many makes me think of the manufacturers warnings where they say, "Don't use blow dryer while taking a shower." In other words, spell things out as much as possible. CowardX10 01:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
New Policy on User Pages:
In consideration of the 2007 scandal regarding the false credentials presented by the user Essjay, new guidelines will now be enforced regarding the nature of the information a user/editor/administrator and all higher positions(all of which will be referred to as users below) may put on his or her user page or claim in any discussion.
I. In consideration of the need to protect one's privacy, a user/admin can have false information limited to the following:
II. The following are things for which it is unacceptable to falsely claim:
Other things may fall out of the scope of these rules(e.g. Claiming owning a cat may be acceptable if you never edit articles about cats), so there will be some discretion on the part of the user. It is asked though, that he/she emphasizes accuracy as much as possible.
If a user should violate the above, the account will be immediately treated as if he/she were a vandal who puts false information into articles. Depending on the degree of abuse of false credentials, corrective measures may be a simple request to that the user modify his/her page such that it removes anything under category II. or permanent blockage in severe cases like the persistent claiming of category II. information.
These new policies were put in place because the use false credentials was not specified before leading many to think that it was acceptable to claim them even in article discussions. These rules are a statement that false credentials are never acceptable.
Accuracy in Wikipedia can no longer be limited simply to what is put in the article but now has to extend, to a larger degree than before, to the identities of the members of the community. Note that these guidelines are not a choice between anonymity and full disclosure, but simply an insistence that no false claims are made other than what is listed in I.. This is also consistent with the rules the news media uses in protecting the identity of sources while not putting forth any knowingly false information.
I would say this falls under not falsely Claiming any years of experience in a profession or hobby(with respect to being a diver or radio operator) and Claiming years of experience with anything in a discussion where said experience would influence a decision would apply to claims of current location or origin in a content dispute.
The advantage in hiding your identity by falsely claiming the above is, IMHO, outweighed by the damage of having lots of people here making false claims of their credentials. If we accept that anyone can falsely claim to be a doctor, physicist, or Nobel Prize winner as long as he refrains from making related edits, then I have no doubt the real physicist, doctors, and Nobel Prize winners(I think there are a few) will leave and and the project will suffer greatly. I don't know where the idea that credentials don't matter came from. I know on Wikipedia they aren't the sole and ultimate consideration in a dispute, but to act like they mean nothing to the point that anyone can claim anything leads to the type of scandal we are going through.
I thought before this it was common sense that lying to a reporter would be wrong and lying about your credentials in a content dispute was wrong. Unfortunately, there were quite a few absolute defenders of Essjay who apparently are adims(including David Gerard who seems to be a Wikipedia press liaison) that I think things have to be stated explicitly, like so many other things in life(See Don't use blow dryer while taking a shower. above). In terms of toothlessness, I would say it's quite easy to pick an obscure topic and add fake information based on completely made-up but plausible sounding references and no one would catch you. But it's still worth saying that this is wrong, it's considered vandalism, and anyone doing this may be banned. CowardX10 06:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
That is, let users have whatever bullshit, misleading information and false credentials they will on their userpages, since it's not verifiable anyway? On the other hand, we have Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Attribution with regard to articles for a reason. I believe the reason is that all knowledge gathered here, unless it's common knowledge, should be properly referenced by reliable secondary sources. That is, you credentials, whatever they are, are meaningless in the context of being a primary source. They can and should, however, help you with providing secondary sources. Thank you for your attention and sorry for the repetition of the word "source". — Миша 13 17:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Per the above linked conversation, I would like to propose that Autograph books, signature books and likewise be added to the things discouraged on the userspace. Discussion/consensus about this possible change would be helpful. — Moe 00:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not. I'm just pointing out the fallacies in your argument particularly as my sig collection gallery is being belittled. Again, wording to discourage active seeking of autographs -oranges- (particularly with associated talk page spam) is sensible, outright banning of sig galleries -apples- from sub pages is not. ( → Netscott) 02:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I disagree with us opposing autographs because of the sense of community it builds and also "is this harmful in any way?" (consider the benefit to harm ration, it is completely fine) Additionally little minor things like this I feel is a good way for newbies to cut their teeth on editing before stepping out into the more scary world of editing a real article where people might pounce on them for making one wrong move. Mathmo Talk 04:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I have written the new section in regards to the autograph books. Comments please, theres always room to improve. — Moe 03:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the new guestbook section. My primary concern is a bit of logical circularity. This section was created almost simultaneously with an MFD for the autograph books, but people at that MFD are citing this as "established" policy justifying their deletion. I feel that the MFD should be allowed to discuss and decide the issue before adding this policy. I also note that AN thread which started this conversation lacks unaminity on whether signature pages are inherently inappropriate (the primary issue at AN was spamming, which certainly is inappropriate).
Essentially, I feel this text was added prematurely while the discussion was still ongoing (in this case through MFD). Should MFD find in favor of deletion, a plausible outcome given current totals, then I have no objection to including this text.
In the interest of openness I voted "weak keep" in the MFD before realizing this text had been added here, so arguably I am not neutral, but I feel I am still justified in thinking that creating this in the midst of an MFD is premature. Dragons flight 13:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
After remembering how WP:ATT has a FAQ it made me think that it would benefit many other pages to have a similar FAQ, because it would streamline the main page. A lot of the details and current incidents relevant that arise (such as the curent autography 'problem') could be addressed on the FAQ which would make the main page much more simple and accessable to everybody. Mathmo Talk 05:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I propose discouraging text written in a language other than English. Reason being: If I don't speak the language, it is difficult to determine whether the text constitutes spam, personal attacks, or other disallowed content.
Unfortunately this would ban Latin quotations, which is undesirable.
How about a compromise which would allow quotations? "Non-English text on user pages and user talk pages should generally be avoided - and if a quotation not written in English is kept, it should be cited, so that we can see whether it comes from a spammy source, even if not everyone can verify what exactly it means."-- greenrd 17:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there anything illegal about anonymous users who create a subpage under their User page (named for their IP number) to store text for an article they are working on? -- InfoCan 05:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
here you go - last used version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Serezka ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
209.177.21.6 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) has been blanking warnings and installing userboxes on the talk page of an IP address - generally treating it as if it were their user page. Is this allowable? Nposs 23:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a specific process for this? There's been a brouhaha for awhile now over the desire of some users to display this;
40px | This user supports armed resistance against hostilities. |
and others who oppose it, resulting in edit wars on user pages, and today
a user page being locked. Where should this go? The normal mediation, RfC, ArbCom processes that exist for article disputes?
Tarc 00:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
"This user supports armed resistance against Israel" where armed resistance linked to Hezbollah and Israel was wikilinked to "massacres". Heck, the Hezbollah flag with its AK47 is bad enough. 65.9.50.213 04:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
What does it mean by to "simulate" the Wiki "interface"? Someone can answer me please. Wooyi 17:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
What are the guidelines from removing warnings from your own talk page. I have found WP:ARCHIVE and WP:UW which answer that warnings should not be removed, however some people say that the editor has total control over their user talk page. mrholybrain 's talk 01:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I came across a user page today that I think is in clear violation of WP policy (User:Carirach). Do I report this to WP:AIV? -- Sanfranman59 23:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a place where I can get step-by-step instructions for creating a user page? Thank you! I LOVE AIRPLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Derrty2033, who has been doing some weird stuff lately, created a page on User:Flatscreen. As far as I can tell, User:Flatscreen is not a real user. I have the impression that User:Flatscreen should be deleted as patent nonsense. Could someone provide guidance or take care of the page? Thank you, Dr. Submillimeter 21:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I there such a model wich replace by the current user name? I tryed : {{CURENTUSER}},{{CURENTUSER}}, {{USER}}, {{USERPAGE}}
,
Special:Mypage,
Special:Mytalk... but and searched in help files but i didn't find a suitable one.
It is for use in an input box such as :
<inputbox> type=create preload={{PAGENAME}}/Bookmark break=no prefix=User:{{CURENTUSER}}/Bookmarks/ buttonlabel=New bookmark </inputbox>
It is for a wikia project.
Thanks by advance if you can help.--
Ttibaut 22:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Several editors have brought serrious trouble on themselves by including in user space material which is considered by others (including arbitrators) to be likely to bring the project into disrepute. In Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Billy Ego-Sandstein/Proposed decision it is noted that there is nothing currently in this guideline to remind users of that. I added a section under "What is discouraged on my user page?" to remedy this omission. Guy ( Help!) 11:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This seems to keep coming up... an editor blanks his/her own talkpage of content, warnings, etc. and then gets warned by another editor or admin for blanking content. I've actually seen a couple of editors get blocked for this (or for WP:3RR when they reverted the restoration). So, I think it would be helpful to add some text here indicating that editors are free to blank their talkpage but that archiving is preferable. This isn't instruction creep; this is current practice. I just think it would be helpful to spell it out since so many editors, admins included, don't seem to be aware this is the case. Any thoughts on wording, etc?-- Isotope23 14:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is the gist of what I think such an addition should say (though my text leaves a lot to be desired, I'm at work and in a hurry — feel free to hack it to bits):
Users in good standing may utilize discretion with regard to all content on their user talk pages. When removing non-vandalism, archiving is encouraged, but blocks may not be issued when no larger pattern of disruption exists.
— bbatsell ¿? ✍ 18:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Any perusal of my user page shows that I parody other user pages. My categories are red-links, I have one single joke userbox, instead of barnstars I repost insults and vandalism. There is an admin who doesn't object to a category, Category:Wikipedians by religion but he objects to me being in that category. I've been in that category for 17 months. Nothing about me being in that category is a violation of WP:USER. It's not divisive, or abusive or polemic. It doesn't insult anyone. But, this admin is threatening to block me for WP:POINT disruption for putting myself in this category.
This is strictly a control issue and I think it's abusive to threaten me with a block because I won't conform to his view of user organization. As this is a user space issue, it's exceedingly lame but I don't like the implications of being bullied to remove things from my user page that otherwise comply with WP:USER. SchmuckyTheCat 19:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
What you fail to mention in this is that there was a unanimous UCFD debate resulting in depopulating users from the category, which you were made fully aware of and ignored, claiming "no consensus exists that UCFD decisions are binding" as justification for ignoring any decision made there that you don't like. The admin who left the message on your user pages was fully justified, and I recommend you try to get the UCFD overturned if you disagree with the result. VegaDark 08:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Many userpages are now sporting images outside the id="content" area (e.g. Image:Uncyclopedia Featured.png). The UI is not something people should be tampering with, and can lead to links being obscured (e.g. User:Fir0002, User:Pizza1512) and confusion as to what is "official" content, and what is user-generated. ed g2s • talk 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I have a question. On the SHA-1 article, we have a link to an implementation of SHA-1 written in VB. However, it pretty much sucks. I have a better implementation (not the best probably, but at least it's more readable and efficient). If this were Wikipedia related code, I'd just put it in a user page; this is generally considered okay, just take a look at all the user scripts. However, this code is only related to Wikipedia in that we want to link to it (after a thorough review).
So in short, I don't know whether the code is allowed on a user page, and if it is, whether it would be proper to link to it from an article. On the other hand, it is not exactly encyclopedic content, it's just a short module, so it would not be right to put it in the main namespace.
Since I don't know what the proper thing to do is, I thought I'd better ask a question here. If putting the code on Wikipedia is not possible, I'd appreciate tips on what else to do with it. I'm looking forward to your answer here, or on Talk:SHA-1 (I'm not very active at the moment and I might miss messages going to my talk page). Shinobu 10:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the VB wikia wants it. There's not much there yet, they should be happy with anything they get. :-) Shinobu 10:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I think "Anything likely to bring the project into disrepute" should either be left in the "What is discouraged on my user page?" section, or be more specific about what can be seen as "bringing the project into disrepute". The reason why this was added is quite clear, but I can think of a lot of other examples that might bring Wikipedia into disrepute in the eyes of some people: Advocacy of far right politics, zoophilia, or rape fantasies, for example. Do we really want to forbid our users to talk about such topics on their user pages, or would this just be collateral damage from the new rule? I personally don't see a good reason why a user should advocate such things explicitly on his user page in the first place, but I'd also feel quite uneasy if we'd simply forbade this just because we want to get rid of self-identified pedophiles. So adding the new rule to the "What is discouraged on my user page?" section (or rather, leaving the rule where it was in the first place) sounds like a good compromise to me. "Anything that might bring the project into disrepute is clearly not allowed" sounds like endless edit wars over topics such as those I just mentioned, while "Anything that might bring the project into disrepute is discouraged" sounds like using common sense on a case-by-case basis, accompanied by actual discussions, which should be preferred in most cases. Maybe we could add a sentence that states that everything pedophilia related should be brought directly to the ArbCom mailinglist instead of creating a new, broad rule. -- Conti| ✉ 14:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
As much to the point: those motivated by religious bigotry against other faiths tend to feel they are enforcing Divine Law rather than Earthly Law, and that punishing Sin (a crime against God) is even more important than punishing merely mundane crime. So it's not such a difference in motivation or effect -- except that it is often even more extreme. -- Ben TALK/ HIST 09:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
See User talk:Jimbo Wales#Massive pedophile crackdown, especially my post, reproduced here:
Hope someone clears this up with me. Is a user allowed to blank their own user page or delete contents when, as it would turn out, the only purpose for doing that is to remove the [[WP:USETEMP|user warnings that other Wikipedians left there? On more than one occasions, I've left user warnings on other user's accounts (for various reasons, including vandalisms). Then a few days later, the user will either blank or remove content, and when I check the diff, the deleted content would always be the user warnings. I've re-read this page and this is what I found:
...the removal of good-faith warnings, even though permitted, is often frowned upon.
But another editor advised me that since a user talk page is someone's own space, they can delete it (so the bottom line is I can't restore it since the user can do as he pleases). I'd like to give the user the benefit of the doubt, but then again something's telling me that there may be something wrong with deleting warnings left on your account (unless these are really old ones...in this case, the user warning was blanked about two or three days after I left it). Your opinions will be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance! --- Tito Pao 17:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I've removed several sections that state that "some people frown upon such-and-such". These are basically weasel words that mean that some people want to forbid something but there's no consensus for such prescription. And, well, weasel words are something that Wikipedia frowns upon. >Radiant< 08:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I notice that a lot of pictures placed up on user pages like personal pictures or banners which some people have created and uploaded to Wikipedia are being nominated for deletion as "unencyclopedic". All WP:USER refers to in the use of images on a user page are non-free images which people may place on a user page. I also have coded up my page to make it look more attractive, whilst not moving away from the main aims of what a user page is. Are there new rules on what images can be used on a user page and if so, why are images not covered in the WP:USER guidelines? I also ask the same question on code (the old "its time that could be spent improving articles" argument springs to mind). Because there are a lot of editors pages (see here) who may find themselves on the wrong side of WP:MFD if there are new rules on images/code which aren't covered on WP:USER when either they should be, or images/code shouldn't be deleted. -- tgheretford ( talk) 13:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
where can i put information about the city of portobello? just to be clear, not portobelo, colon. it was a city opposite portobelo colon, and across the bay. this city was involved was a rock quarry for the canal.
tks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.224.139.222 ( talk • contribs).
What's the policy on users claiming (professing/admitting) to criminal activities or membership of criminal gangs on user pages? E.g. "I'm a member of [insert name of notorious criminal gang]?" -- 211.30.234.103 04:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
To; All Wikipedians Who Do Editing, Etc,
Someone has once again vandalized the Web-page/site on Mood Rings. The Mood Ring Color Chart has an incorrect entry for the color "Green" as being "high". "Green" is normally associated as the "Average Reading, Active, Not Under Great Stress" or "Sensitive" on some other Mood Charts. The color "Brown" listed in the Mood Color Chart is Ok, but this color is not normally included on this particular chart for the colors & moods. Also- "Brown" on a Mood Ring is more often associated with a "Reserved Attitude, Random Thinking, Restlessness, Reflecting Fidgetness, Being Troubled, Unhappy, Worried & Fear".
I have studied Mood Rings & their Colors as an entertainment-hobby, so I know what I am talking about here -however- when I have in the past done some editing that I thought would improve the entry on Mood Rings, it was deleted. So- I will allow someone else more savvy in how to correctly edit Web-pages on Wikipedia to take care of these needed corrections.
Thank you for your time.
Dawn Dawnofrabbits 17:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
To; All Editing Wikipedians,
I would like to make a recommendation that the editing policy on Wikipedia be changed to limit editing privileges to those who are more credible, qualified and have perhaps had their background checked (at least minimally) to reduce the likelihood of vandalism, and therefore, the occurance of misinformation. A reasonable screening process of some sort, I would think, could be set up with stricter procedures and guide-lines as to exactly who will be allowed to make edits on Wikipedia; where said individuals doing the editing will have to agree to certain standards or risk possible liability for tampering with the Web-site. The current system that you have in place right now for editing, tends to invite the potential for chaos. In other words; a rat, or hacker and/or whatever term you prefer, could do a lot of damage for whatever less than honorable reasons they might have to Wikipedia given the very open-editing policies that you currently have in place.
This is just a suggestion anyway.
Thank you again.
Dawn Dawnofrabbits 17:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
What code should I use if I wanted to change the colour of my eniter user page? ► Adriaan90 ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) ♪♫ 23:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I came across this user page: User:Zer0taku whose user page is only in Japanese. Are there any guidelines about this? I think I have seen it somewhere.-- Kylohk 16:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
It think there should be a guidline about using absoulute cordinits to modify a user page name. It makes it really confusing and hard to tell what the page is, I allmost nominated someones user page for deletion on axident because they changed the display so it did not include "User:". If you dont know what im talking about and want an example add this {{User:Icewedge/Sandbox}}
to your userpage.
There is a centralized discussion in WT:U#Proposal regarding non-Latin usernames. This discussion on the policy page may affect the content of this guideline too. You are welcome to participate. Niko Silver 09:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I see no discussion about adding a notice about userboxes to this page. They're very strongly deprecated, controversial bits of userpage furniture, mostly used for highly unwikipedian purposes. As such I don't think we want them to be described on this official guideline as if they were something to be encouraged. I've removed the section. -- Tony Sidaway 09:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} In section Wikipedia:User_page#Removal_of_warnings, add after first sentence: However block messages, unblock requests, sockpuppetry notices are prohibited from removing during period of their effect.
This is a policy but missed. Secsamedy 05:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the section
What may I have on my user page? has a broken link to the now-deleted Category:Wikipedian musicians. A category subsitution, I believe, is in order for purposes of illustration. -
B.C.Schmerker 07:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I added a line-break code to separate the text from the userbox box on my userpage, but that won't work. What else should I try because it ticks me off how the bullet points in my list of VHS tapes is inside the userbox box. Sean90 22:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC).
Is there any policy on people including false information on their talk page (eg. claiming to be a doctor, when they're not), or making false information about themselves elsewhere (eg. claiming to be an expert). -- 84.9.191.165 00:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
This appears in the what must I not have on my page guidelines: "You might also want to consider Wikia for wiki-style community collaboration." First, is Wikia for free? Second, is Wikia for profit? It's hard to tell either from the article and I know it has something to do with Jimbo, so my request is somewhat sensitive: If it's not free and is for profit, can this referral be removed? it looks like an endorsement or advertisement. If I'm being an a-hole about this, tell me, but I don't mean to be, but if we had a referral to godaddy or something I'd be equally curious but not quite so sheepish about it. Carlossuarez46 06:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Offensive content shouldn't really be in userspace anyway. Will ( talk) 13:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Offensive to whom? Some people have a pretty low threshold of offense. It appears from WP:AN/I#Inappropriate_protection_of_User_talk:Anonimu (I know that will soon be archived, and I would welcome an update of the link to point to the archive once that happens) that Will is one of these. I, for one, am a lot more offended by high-handed removal of material from other people's user pages.
We may need a clarification of a threshold as to what constitutes a polemic. If I have followed correctly, and if there is no hidden agenda going on, Will seems to think that the single statement "This user chooses not to listen to ultra-nationalist rhetoric, of whatever nation" on my user page constituted an unacceptable polemic. For what it's worth, my talk page also contains the statement "Wikipedia is biased toward over-inclusion of certain material pertaining to (for example) science fiction, contemporary youth culture, contemporary U.S. and UK culture in general, and anything already well covered in the English-langauge portion of the Internet," which is probably more polemical than the statement that Will objected to, but I believe is still well within the limits of acceptable content for a user page.
As I mentioned in the discussion of the dispute, I'm inclined to give enormous latitude to user pages, and I'm not sure I even like the rule against polemics. For an example of a user page that certainly offends me, but which I would not censor, consider User:Morton devonshire. For an example of one that I find quite offensive, and would understand if it were to be censored, but which I, left to my own decision, would leave alone because it helps "peg" the user in question, see User:Zionists United. I suspect that the latter — not the sort of thing on my page — was the sort of thing that someone had in mind in making this rule; in any case, a clarification would be in order.
Again, I strongly object to the unqualified addition of "offensive"; I think it would unleash a barrage of attacks on user pages by people who are easily offended, or are willing to pretend to be. (E.g., I could imagine someone deciding they were offended by all mention of user's own religious beliefs.) - Jmabel | Talk 15:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Woah, is there some internet / knowledge junkies here or what??? Signed, Someone In Denial —Preceding
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contribs) 09:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
The references to "polemical" stuff originally related, basically, to using userspace pages as one's personal blog. There used to be a quote by Jimbo providing context about that, which I removed as part of the overall movement toward dejimboization. I think that it should be changed to clarify that it is banning "Extensive non-Wikipedia-related polemics." Obuibo Mbstpo ( talk) 16:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I've just come across a user page which gives the user's age. I think these guidelines should include warnings or recommendations not to include your age (for minors) or any other personal details that may lead to identity fraud or worse. I don't have time to draft these, unfortunately, but if they were there I could at least point the user at this page. Stephenb (Talk) 16:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I have no interest in personal interactions intended for public scrutiny. I want my User and Talk pages Protected, so that nobody can edit them. But, it seems people can't protect their own pages. How do I get this done? I would have them deleted, but I want to provide an email address for those who something to say to me. Bsharvy 06:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I understand I'm a bit late for UI Spoofing discussion. Well, next time it's discussed I think a compromise can be reached (at least for the "new message" joke): jokers must NOT use class=usermessage
but instead put something like
<div style="background-color:#FFCE7B; border:1px solid #FFA500; padding:0.5em 1em; font-weight:bold;"> … … </div>
Then people who are really annoyed by this will be able to redefine usermessage
class in their personal /monobook.css and use some different color for genuine messages. In other words: using div with some style is fine, using class defined in Mediawiki is bad because it doesn't leave users a choice. I think at least that much should be added to the guideline ∴
Alex Smotrov 15:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, a person can remove warnings from a user talk page as a "sign that they have read it." I don't think this should be allowed, people only do this so they don't have a nasty stain on their record. Cheers, JetLover (talk) 03:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I've gotten a "nominated for deletion" kind of tag on my userpage. Why? And how do I get rid of it? Trekphiler 19:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Radiant recently added a statement that user space should not be used for collections of evidence to be used in a later proceeding (RFC or RFAR, presumably). While Radiant makes a good point, I can find no prior discussion of this and I object to it as a blanket rule. Keeping evidence on your own hard drive is fine if you have mediawiki installed, but user space is the only way most of us can check the formatting, make sure diffs are right, and so on. User space also allows editors to work on a case together. Every arbitration case and RFC I have filed was started in my user space, usually I open the case within a day or two. I would agree with "Collections of evidence should not be kept indefinitely; if you do not plan to open a case in the near future, evidence should be kept on your own hard drive." But I can not agree with a blanket prohibition. Thatcher131 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
(merged sections) I routinely educate users if I find an evidence page in their user space that such pages can be considered attack pages and are generally inappropriate. Users who want to collect evidence can do so in a text editor. I didn't realize that was also mentioned here, but I support including it here. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
All pages in userspace are to be used in preference to any other page to collect evidence related to conduct issues in the early stages of a dispute. User talk space is also acceptable for this purpose. This is of course subject to the Harassment guideline, and like all other pages on Wikipedia must comply with the No personal attacks policy in that it should not denigrate the person of the editor or editors in question. It is acceptable to gather possible evidence of bad faith (trolling, etc), but this should not be done in a prejudicial manner. Commonsense should be used. Act like a grownup and you'll be treated like one.
If you collect conduct evidence in your userspace or user talkspace, it should not be done in an indiscriminate manner, and should pertain to sensible concerns (including but not limited to existing policies). The community can see the evidence gathered, and the manner of its construction, and should feel free to comment on the appropriateness of the activity of gathering such evidence in the circumstances pertaining, and in exceptional cases an editor who engages in grossly inappropriate gathering of evidence may be sanctioned by the arbitration committee.
It is not appropriate to equate an evidence page, per se, with an attack page. An attack page is used, or is intended to be used, for the purpose of personally attacking or intimidating another person. If you gather on your user page a list of diffs to edits by a certain editor or group of editors, labelling them as possible conduct issues related to established policy or legitimate concerns, then it should be considered legitimate in the absence of evidence to the contrary, as long as it's quite clear from your conduct that you are engaging the editor and attempting to raise his awareness of the disputed actions, or have made reasonable attempts to do so.
Timescale is material, but in chronic cases it's reasonable to gather evidence over a period of months, if offences are egregious and ongoing. I've seen arbitration cases in which evidence gather over a period of six months has been considered material, and gathering such evidence publicly, in the full light of day, is probably better for the process than doing so secretly and without serious attempts to raise the issues with the subject.
There is nothing here that doesn't follow from our dispute resolution policy. -- Tony Sidaway 04:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I generally agree with Thatcher and Tyrenius on this issue. Drawing the line may sometimes be difficult in an individual case, but that is true in applying lots of guidelines, and doesn't invalidate the distinction. Newyorkbrad 13:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
How about:
Tyrenius 14:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
After discussing the issue privately with a few people, I have a better sense of their concerns. The best description I can find to synthesize the points of view here and the attack page CSD criterion is: preparing evidence for an RFC or arbitration case, if done politely, is acceptable; but if the user being documented objects, the person gathering the evidence should be ready to either file the case or remove the evidence from the wiki. Pages that serve only to disparage other editors are never acceptable. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The following language is being proposed to be added to Wikipedia:User page:
Collection of material against others - A gratuitous collection of material against others is not an appropriate user page use. However, a reasonable collection of evidence and other information for a dispute resolution process such as RfC or arbitration case over the course of a week or two weeks is an acceptable user page use. After this time, you should be ready to either file the dispute resolution case or remove the material against others from the wiki. User pages containing gratuitous collection of material against others may be deleted at Miscellany for deletion.
Please use the above as a starting point for the language to be added. Please line out material to delete and underscore material to be added to the above language. Please note the reason for your change below
I'm surprised there's no specific mention of spam, promotion, or advertising on user pages. We routinely revert or delete user pages with promotional material on them, and it would certainly be covered under "substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia", but I propose to add a bullet point to the "What may I not have on my user page?" with specific mention of that along with what is presently there including weblogs, polemics, games, entertainment, extensive personal info, etc. This would be something like:
Obviously hardcore spammers wouldn't be persuaded by a user page guideline, but there have been a number of recent cases of possibly good-faith users with spam for their companies/practices on their user pages and it would be nice to be able to point them at a specific guideline. -- MCB 18:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The phrasing is a bit too "bright-line" - normally there's some leeway for e.g. if an established user in good standing happens to mention their job/business/etc in the context of a brief section about personal information, etc. -- Random832 19:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the removal of warnings policy from a users talk page. I believe that the only person who should be allowed to remove them are the users that placed them, or an admin. It can be hard to find what you need in the history page of a repeat vandal, as the page history can be long and finding what you need is hard. I see the removal of warnings just another way for vandals to elude blocks, i know from personal experience that when i was a new user i was un-sure what warning template on a users page. I suggest that the policy be changed so that if a user disagrees with the warn they received they can either bring it up with the user who placed it, if that does not work or they do not want to, they can go to a admin or conflict resolution. Otherwise the warnings should just be archived on the users talk page and not removed. Tiptoety 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Has the removal of warnings been repealed? Because I just saw Anthony.bradbury tell someone not to do that. User:JetLover 22:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys..I'm quite new to wikipedia. And after i read the user page article i still dont understand the *exact* use of the user page. The article is written for someone who is already oriented to wikipedia. I can only tell that the page is not for telling people who you are...so can someone tell me *clearly* what it is used for? Yes i'm a noob Enoch08 10:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the "removal of warnings" rule and I have formed an RFC about it. The reason I am doing that is this is that it is just another way vandals can make it harder on users, and other users simply don't want that ugly stain in their history. And although you can find these in the history page, it's like trying to find a hay in a needle stack. To prove my point, I dare anyone who disagrees to [6] find the time when someone told me his edits to black hole were correct. Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 02:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm talking about vandalism warnings. And we have the {{ Talk-vandal1}} {{ Talk-vandal2}} and {{ Talk-vandal3}} for that. Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 04:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the removal of warnings policy from a users talk page. I believe that the only person who should be allowed to remove them are the users that placed them, or an admin. It can be hard to find what you need in the history page of a repeat vandal, as the page history can be long and finding what you need is hard. I see the removal of warnings just another way for vandals to elude blocks, i know from personal experience that when i was a new user i was un-sure what warning template on a users page. I suggest that the policy be changed so that if a user disagrees with the warn they received they can either bring it up with the user who placed it, if that does not work or they do not want to, they can go to a admin or conflict resolution. Otherwise the warnings should just be archived on the users talk page and not removed. Tiptoety 17:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiptoety ( talk • contribs)
Shouldn't there be different standards for this between IP talk pages and User talk pages? I only ask because most vandalism seems to be from IPs. • Lawrence Cohen 19:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it problematic that warnings and comments can now be removed from a user talk page, without any recourse. When I first joined Wikipedia, I remember removing a talk page warning, but was advised by another editor to keep it as a record of communication. It was a guideline that seemed to be followed for the longest time, until recently. It's troubling that editors can simply undo recent comments from their talk page, so that it appears that they have a "clean" slate or history of editing. The point of the talk page is to show that you're learning from your past actions so that you can improve your future contributions. -- Madchester 01:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I came across User:Bijanse and User:World Wide Woman, and noticed both pages are entirely made up of nothing but links to copyrighted YouTube videos. I'm sure this is against policy somehow, but I wasn't sure how to take action, so I figured that I would leave a note here. On top of that, both pages look almost identical, which may suggest those are sockpuppet accounts. – Dream out loud ( talk) 22:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
If I post my own original writings to my user page, or sub-pages thereof, does that automatically mean that I am releasing them into the GFDL? Captain Zyrain 19:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Is it allowable for IP users to remove vandal warnings from their own talk page? If so, is it limited to old, stale warnings, or current ones as well? I do RC sometime, and there is a related conversaion here that I was following. I would guess that IPs removing vandal warnings that are "recent" (less than a week? a month?) should be inappropriate, as the IP talk pages aren't really theirs. What is the rule on that? • Lawrence Cohen 18:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, anything that can slow down the summary deletions by self-appointed self-important deleters would be helpful in keeping Wikipedia relevant to people who need a quick reference to medical clinics or other services not supported by advertising of the pharmaceutical industry.
Perhaps the addition of and permanence of warnings, with a sufficient timeframe to prudently review would be good. Another idea I haven't seen is to give an allowance of one or two articles per individual person more leeway. This is self-limiting to a few billion people who wish to describe something that has more leeway and less imperitive to summarily quick deletion, and be in a different category, with less danger of overloading the system in their minds. And, when you think about it, every individual person who is adding their allowance article is adding to the value the readership and participation of Wikipedia.
Otherwise, it appears to me that what is happening is making Wikipedia less useful as a resource, in my particular case, for medical research, and both lives and limbs will continue to be lost, since the site has been compromised by self-appointed self-important deleters who replace individual judgment of the public with their own.
On the matter of "well, just write a book on it, or get an article in the local paper, or do advertising", this references a non-profit medical clinic providing Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy and referencing other facilities in the area, for the purpose of informing urgent medical care decisions of those who are about to get their legs amputated, and other conditions. This therapy saves that in 75% of the cases, as shown by peer-reviewed publication referenced in the article, and references on these types of clinics in general, and others in the area.
Such facilities don't advertise usually, have better facilities than the hospital (no kidding, they really do), and charge a fraction of the amount. This is simple reference material that can't be gotten by patients any other way, unless they are lucky enough to come across it. Otherwise, the effort required to fend of random deleters isn't worth it, and fewer articles important to the public health will get done. While those in healthcare who are not funded by the usual high-margin pharma and equipment houses do not have time to spare to get into long drawn-out arguments, in my experience they will happily follow guidelines for relevance, neutrality, references and clarity,if they truly care about public health, which nearly all do.
If we want Wikipedia to be a trusted and valued resource, this type of information needs not to be randomly deleted, or greater justificatio for deletion for the public good. Mgreenham 23:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Vivek99.iitk 23:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC) The information provided here is not accurate as this MLB medical college was established in 1968 not in 1988..please cooperate in emending the mistakes. I am a medicine graduate from this college only...if one has any reservations please feel free to discuss here. for further references kindly visit...www.mlbmcj.in thanks
Is it possible to remove the page name from the top of one's user page, like on the main page? – thedemonhog talk • edits • box 05:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Graham Ledger is in charge of marketing, communications and public relations for www.NetworkTalkRadio.com. It is a logical transition for someone who marketed himself for more than 20 years on television. Graham anchored the news on television in Southern California for more than 15 years, becoming one of the most well known, well respected TV newsmen in Southern California. Graham is a two-time Emmy Award winner for best “news writing”. He’s also a two-time Golden Microphone winner. Graham was also heavily involved in the Big Brothers and Sisters program. He was named “Man of the Year, 2000” for Big Brothers for his decade-long series of reports on KFMB-TV. In 2003, the San Diego County Board of Supervisors proclaimed April 7th as “Graham Ledger Day” for his work with abused children. Currently, Graham sits on boards of directors for local charities, including Fr. Joe’s Villiage~Toussaint Youth Center and the Sullivan Foundation for Children. He also an active member of the PTA and volunteers his time at dozens of charitable events throughout the county each year. Graham went to San Diego State University, graduating in 1984.
Graham Ledger is in charge of marketing, communications and public relations for www.NetworkTalkRadio.com. It is a logical transition for someone who marketed himself for more than 20 years on television. Graham anchored the news on television in Southern California for more than 15 years, becoming one of the most well known, well respected TV newsmen in Southern California. Graham is a two-time Emmy Award winner for best “news writing”. He’s also a two-time Golden Microphone winner. Graham was also heavily involved in the Big Brothers and Sisters program. He was named “Man of the Year, 2000” for Big Brothers for his decade-long series of reports on KFMB-TV. In 2003, the San Diego County Board of Supervisors proclaimed April 7th as “Graham Ledger Day” for his work with abused children. Currently, Graham sits on boards of directors for local charities, including Fr. Joe’s Villiage~Toussaint Youth Center and the Sullivan Foundation for Children. He also an active member of the PTA and volunteers his time at dozens of charitable events throughout the county each year. Graham went to San Diego State University, graduating in 1984. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NetworkTalkRadio ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I've come across a few users who have rather annoying HTML boxes on their userpages that have fixed positions and follow the reader all the way down the page. See [7], removed after I left a request on the user's talk page, and 2. As I said, I left a message on the first user's talk page asking him to remove it, and he did, but he also alerted the second user, who left a rather uncivil message on my talk page. However, this user raised a good point, which was that we don't have any policies against this. After a reading of WP:USER, I'm inclined to agree. However, it seems to me that we probably should, as these kinds of boxes are highly disruptive to reading the page. Thoughts? Glass Cobra 13:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I say it shouldn't matter what a user has on it's userpage as long as They compliying with the other editing policies outside the userpage.-- Monnitewars (talk) 03:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
WaltDaMan 12:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC) Only on my page......... What happens here stays here WaltDaMan 12:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I was just wondering if it permitted to do like User:Ehistory has done ? When you go to his talk page or his user page you are redirected to User talk:Bushido and User:Bushido, this makes it harder to see his contributions. User:Bushido is an inexistent account (someone else might create it in the future and be confused by having a whole page full of warnings about uploading copyrighted material). Jackaranga 02:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
What do y'all think? It's not quite inappropriate content, but it really isn't a valid user page either... heh.. -- Jaysweet 21:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Its seem the point is so that when you click on their name and click talk, you are really getting the talk page of some other article. Is having your user page anothing but a redirect to a standard encylopidia page acceptable?-- Dacium 05:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I can't seem to find any "guideline" or "etiquette" information that tells me "where to respond to a user talk entry." That is, if someone posts on my user talk page should I only respond there or should I also respond on their user talk page as well (since they will most likely not realize I have responded if I only respond on my user talk page)? — Noah 22:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. It seems this would be useful info for the User Page article -- I'm sure I'm not the only n00b that has found this confusing. Shall I go ahead and make an edit? — Noah 08:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah Salzman ( talk • contribs)
It seems to me that it would be extremely beneficial to everyone if there was a general suggestion (not rule) that conversations should "continue on the page where they were started". The benefit of having to only look in one place seems to outweigh the cost of training new users to watch other-users talk pages. — Noah 15:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah Salzman ( talk • contribs)
I want to delete my account as I created it only fo 2 weeks. How can I do it? MarketingHec ( talk) 12:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we should ask this to be deleted. How to go about doing that? Anshuk ( talk) 02:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Hello, User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard is currently up for deletion.
My question:
I am wondering what the precedence is on deleting userpages which encourage others to comment a certain way in AfDs and on wikipolicy.
Wikipedia:Spam#Canvassing and Wikipedia:User page don't seem to address this particular issue.
Thus far, no one has shared any precedence. By precedence I mean, a history of other userpages similar to User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard which have survived or been deleted in AfDs. Merry Christmas, Thanks in advance. Happy holidays, Travb ( talk) 02:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Morton devonshire 00:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The 9/11 Conspiracy Noticeboard, in an editor's own user space has been a bone of contention.
The owner just changes the rules stating: "I've decided to change the rules a bit to defuse things. From now on, the only person who gets to post new items is me"
Is this allowed? WP is ambiguous:
As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community
In general it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission. Some users are fine with their user pages being edited, and may even have a note to that effect. Other users may object and ask you not to edit their user pages, and it is probably sensible to respect their requests. [end quoted text]
9/11 Conspiracy Theory Board - Discussion A ruling please! Thanks - Fairness And Accuracy For All 06:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the Administrators' noticeboard about an admin deleting from someone's user page a large 400 pixel picture of Hillary Clinton which had the caption "Please support Hillary Clinton for President in 2008.", on the grounds that it was polemic and a violation of the rules here by being a campaign poster, with the comment "rm political advocacy". It was restored with just her name below it and deleted again by the admin. In discussion it was judged that it was better to ask the user to delete the picture. It was stated that the 400 pixel image was too large to be on a user page. Another user has a 120 pixel image of John McCain, with his name under it, which someone said appeared a reasonable size. Lots of user have little pictures of political candidates in boxes that express their like or dislike for them or their opposition to vandalism. It was suggested to bring the discussion here. We are looking at another 22 months of the U.S. Presidential campaign, and if people are going to be edit warring about pictures or statements advocating candidates, it would be helpful to have clearly stated rules on this page. This is part of the larger issue of people having all those little boxes saying they are anti-Bush, prochoice, antiguncontrol, or whatever. How much such advocacy is allowed? Edison 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that a particular user repeatedly blanks their talk page of all information except for praise and thank yous. What are your thoughts on this practice? Sancho McCann 21:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
As noted above, "Other users may edit pages in your user space, although by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others." As one of the editors on Wikipedia:User categories for discussion, I'd like to make that more clear in regards categories that place user pages into Wikipedian categories. I'm not sure what it should say, but perhaps something like, "If you use categories on your user page, the names of these categories may be edited or deleted without consultation if those categories are brought up on Wikipedia:User categories for discussion first." Does that make sense?-- Mike Selinker 21:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Britzo 22:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
There's no need for any clarification. It's pretty straightforward the way it is under general userpage policy. Everybody labels themselves, with the exception of administrative edits. If a category name is changed, then the cat tags on the user's page will probably be changed via AWB or by bot. No big deal. Some notices have categories built-in, like the suspected sockpuppet notice. But for the most part, users have always been and currently are in control of the cats used on their user pages. There's no need for that to change. If a user goes way overboard and is proven to be misrepresenting himself (for instance as an expert when he really is not), then the issue can be taken to RfC. Wikipedia has plenty of policies already, and they cover the userpage category issue adequately, IMHO. The Transhumanist 17:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, please comment here. Thanks: -- Sadi Carnot 19:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The discussion of the newly added paragraph is here. CMummert · talk 13:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a straw poll to determine consensus at the villiage pump. — Doug Bell talk 08:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Having read the views as expressed by folks on the various discussions and the straw poll above about this there appears to be a general consensus about certain aspects of the banner practical joke. They are:
This would give some authority to those who want to remove inappropriate (per the last two criteria) banners immediately as well as those inclined to request users to remove their joke banners (per the first criteria) but if joke banner users insist (and don't fall under the last two criteria) they could still keep them. I don't see why we can't introduce these generally agreed upon aspects of the current practical joke "new message" discussion into this guideline right away. What might the views of others be on this? ( → Netscott) 17:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
How about:
I don't think the issue is even about joke banners per se. It is about doing things that are intentionally misleading in a way that degrades the user experience. Also, I am all for forbidding spoofing the user interface, but I think we can at least agree on discouraging it even if we can't (yet) agree on forbidding it. Dragons flight 18:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
David, it is a bit disappointing that you're in a sense "stepping backwards" here... obviously the community has expressed its lack of consensus on how to view this... now you want to call it "link vandalism". Even the policy specifies that it is about "modifying"... and it is also clear what the link vandalism "type" is referring to.
I was inviting you to introduce into the guideline the language we're arriving at here (with EVula's last comment in particular in mind) per your agreeance about "beany", etc. ( → Netscott) 21:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I am about to add this then.. I'm going to start a new (==) section entitled "What is discouraged on my user page?" with a subheading of (===) "Simulated MediaWiki interfaces" and put this new version there. Given the community's consensus on that wording I think a new section like this makes sense and it will allow for further expansion as time goes by. Do you have an opinion on that? ( → Netscott) 22:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Kin we include examples of useful design elements - both basic and advanced? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rklawton ( talk • contribs).
The section header for "What is discouraged...?" was removed placing "simulated MediaWiki interfaces" in the "What is not allowed...?" section. I believe that it's important to recognize that there is still no consensus on disallowing these elements even if most can agree to discourage them. That distinction is important and why I re-added the section header. ju66l3r 04:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I know what an interface is from my experience with computers but those which aren't acquainted with the idea of an "interface", may not grasp the concept of one that is Wikimedia and simulated. It is (in this context) a computer term. This could be clarified by inclusion of an example feature of the Wikimedia interface. -- Seans Potato Business 02:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
He'll know what to do... -- Seans Potato Business 02:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Are there any guidelines on using a userpage just for advertising? User:Provocativedj seems to be doing just this, and hasn't made any encyclopedic contributions. I couldn't find any policies or guidelines about this. Belovedfreak 20:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
We are getting a lot of this in Wikipedia:Changing username - people wishing to have their username renamed to their real name to "make their article easier to find" as one put it. I've been rejecting them and pointing them at this page but I suggest we may want to add an actual section making clear our policy on vanity article userpages. For today's example see User:Dpcelestine and contributions. I'd be happier if our policy was stated rather than being based on "blatent advertising". We may also want to stop userpages being indexed by google - although that may cause problems elsewhere. Secretlondon 23:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
It says in the article that user subpages can contain "A work in progress, until it is ready to be released". I am wondering if work-in-progress articles in user subpages are subject to the policy "If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it". For example, if someone's working on an article on a subpage in their userspace and I feel that it's already good enough to "go public", would it be innapproriate for me to create a new article with that material? On the one hand, there's the argument that I'm intruding into their personal space and disrupting the creative process. On the other hand, one could argue that they are withholding information that could be usefull to someone and preventing it from being edited. Also, isn't wikipedia a public place, which means that by making any edits you're allowing those edits to be appropriated by others?
Anyway, just wondering what people think. Esn 03:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Instructions on how to reach an anonymous user's page would be helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.176.85.30 ( talk) 01:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
User talk:66.176.85.30
into the search box and click "Go". Or you could look at Wikipedia:Why create an account?. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Now that the User:Essjay controversy is in full swing... does the community wish to advance any rules concerning deliberate misinformation on the user page? Grounds for banning? Desysopping? Higher priveleges like checkuser? Or Not a big deal?
And if one discovers that another's user page contains misinformation, how to deal with it (and not violate WP:ATTACK?)
I suspect many Wikipedia user pages contain misinformation or outright whoppers. In some cases, to avoid stalkers or protect one's real identity; in some cases, to have more clout in an edit dispute, in some cases for fun.
An obvious recommendation going forward: If you wish to conceal your identity, simply leave no identifying information at all.
Thoughts? -- EngineerScotty 20:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
See also User:Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification. -- Jeandré, 2007-03-12 t15:19z
I wanted to revert the new rule [1] that was just added, because I see no discussion about it at all, and it is certainly a very big new rule. The page is semi-protected, and my account is new, so I cannot remove it. Can we discuss this before adding the new rule? HowIBecameCivil 00:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that one's personal details are not relevant, true or not, to building an encyclopedia. Perhaps we can wait for more opinions on this matter. HowIBecameCivil 00:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
It was more my attempt to start a discussion than to object to the rule. I have no real opinion on it. HowIBecameCivil 00:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm probably being more verbose than necessary, but I can't help it. The tolerance of what Essjay did by many makes me think of the manufacturers warnings where they say, "Don't use blow dryer while taking a shower." In other words, spell things out as much as possible. CowardX10 01:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
New Policy on User Pages:
In consideration of the 2007 scandal regarding the false credentials presented by the user Essjay, new guidelines will now be enforced regarding the nature of the information a user/editor/administrator and all higher positions(all of which will be referred to as users below) may put on his or her user page or claim in any discussion.
I. In consideration of the need to protect one's privacy, a user/admin can have false information limited to the following:
II. The following are things for which it is unacceptable to falsely claim:
Other things may fall out of the scope of these rules(e.g. Claiming owning a cat may be acceptable if you never edit articles about cats), so there will be some discretion on the part of the user. It is asked though, that he/she emphasizes accuracy as much as possible.
If a user should violate the above, the account will be immediately treated as if he/she were a vandal who puts false information into articles. Depending on the degree of abuse of false credentials, corrective measures may be a simple request to that the user modify his/her page such that it removes anything under category II. or permanent blockage in severe cases like the persistent claiming of category II. information.
These new policies were put in place because the use false credentials was not specified before leading many to think that it was acceptable to claim them even in article discussions. These rules are a statement that false credentials are never acceptable.
Accuracy in Wikipedia can no longer be limited simply to what is put in the article but now has to extend, to a larger degree than before, to the identities of the members of the community. Note that these guidelines are not a choice between anonymity and full disclosure, but simply an insistence that no false claims are made other than what is listed in I.. This is also consistent with the rules the news media uses in protecting the identity of sources while not putting forth any knowingly false information.
I would say this falls under not falsely Claiming any years of experience in a profession or hobby(with respect to being a diver or radio operator) and Claiming years of experience with anything in a discussion where said experience would influence a decision would apply to claims of current location or origin in a content dispute.
The advantage in hiding your identity by falsely claiming the above is, IMHO, outweighed by the damage of having lots of people here making false claims of their credentials. If we accept that anyone can falsely claim to be a doctor, physicist, or Nobel Prize winner as long as he refrains from making related edits, then I have no doubt the real physicist, doctors, and Nobel Prize winners(I think there are a few) will leave and and the project will suffer greatly. I don't know where the idea that credentials don't matter came from. I know on Wikipedia they aren't the sole and ultimate consideration in a dispute, but to act like they mean nothing to the point that anyone can claim anything leads to the type of scandal we are going through.
I thought before this it was common sense that lying to a reporter would be wrong and lying about your credentials in a content dispute was wrong. Unfortunately, there were quite a few absolute defenders of Essjay who apparently are adims(including David Gerard who seems to be a Wikipedia press liaison) that I think things have to be stated explicitly, like so many other things in life(See Don't use blow dryer while taking a shower. above). In terms of toothlessness, I would say it's quite easy to pick an obscure topic and add fake information based on completely made-up but plausible sounding references and no one would catch you. But it's still worth saying that this is wrong, it's considered vandalism, and anyone doing this may be banned. CowardX10 06:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
That is, let users have whatever bullshit, misleading information and false credentials they will on their userpages, since it's not verifiable anyway? On the other hand, we have Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Attribution with regard to articles for a reason. I believe the reason is that all knowledge gathered here, unless it's common knowledge, should be properly referenced by reliable secondary sources. That is, you credentials, whatever they are, are meaningless in the context of being a primary source. They can and should, however, help you with providing secondary sources. Thank you for your attention and sorry for the repetition of the word "source". — Миша 13 17:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Per the above linked conversation, I would like to propose that Autograph books, signature books and likewise be added to the things discouraged on the userspace. Discussion/consensus about this possible change would be helpful. — Moe 00:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not. I'm just pointing out the fallacies in your argument particularly as my sig collection gallery is being belittled. Again, wording to discourage active seeking of autographs -oranges- (particularly with associated talk page spam) is sensible, outright banning of sig galleries -apples- from sub pages is not. ( → Netscott) 02:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I disagree with us opposing autographs because of the sense of community it builds and also "is this harmful in any way?" (consider the benefit to harm ration, it is completely fine) Additionally little minor things like this I feel is a good way for newbies to cut their teeth on editing before stepping out into the more scary world of editing a real article where people might pounce on them for making one wrong move. Mathmo Talk 04:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I have written the new section in regards to the autograph books. Comments please, theres always room to improve. — Moe 03:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the new guestbook section. My primary concern is a bit of logical circularity. This section was created almost simultaneously with an MFD for the autograph books, but people at that MFD are citing this as "established" policy justifying their deletion. I feel that the MFD should be allowed to discuss and decide the issue before adding this policy. I also note that AN thread which started this conversation lacks unaminity on whether signature pages are inherently inappropriate (the primary issue at AN was spamming, which certainly is inappropriate).
Essentially, I feel this text was added prematurely while the discussion was still ongoing (in this case through MFD). Should MFD find in favor of deletion, a plausible outcome given current totals, then I have no objection to including this text.
In the interest of openness I voted "weak keep" in the MFD before realizing this text had been added here, so arguably I am not neutral, but I feel I am still justified in thinking that creating this in the midst of an MFD is premature. Dragons flight 13:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
After remembering how WP:ATT has a FAQ it made me think that it would benefit many other pages to have a similar FAQ, because it would streamline the main page. A lot of the details and current incidents relevant that arise (such as the curent autography 'problem') could be addressed on the FAQ which would make the main page much more simple and accessable to everybody. Mathmo Talk 05:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I propose discouraging text written in a language other than English. Reason being: If I don't speak the language, it is difficult to determine whether the text constitutes spam, personal attacks, or other disallowed content.
Unfortunately this would ban Latin quotations, which is undesirable.
How about a compromise which would allow quotations? "Non-English text on user pages and user talk pages should generally be avoided - and if a quotation not written in English is kept, it should be cited, so that we can see whether it comes from a spammy source, even if not everyone can verify what exactly it means."-- greenrd 17:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there anything illegal about anonymous users who create a subpage under their User page (named for their IP number) to store text for an article they are working on? -- InfoCan 05:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
here you go - last used version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Serezka ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
209.177.21.6 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) has been blanking warnings and installing userboxes on the talk page of an IP address - generally treating it as if it were their user page. Is this allowable? Nposs 23:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a specific process for this? There's been a brouhaha for awhile now over the desire of some users to display this;
40px | This user supports armed resistance against hostilities. |
and others who oppose it, resulting in edit wars on user pages, and today
a user page being locked. Where should this go? The normal mediation, RfC, ArbCom processes that exist for article disputes?
Tarc 00:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
"This user supports armed resistance against Israel" where armed resistance linked to Hezbollah and Israel was wikilinked to "massacres". Heck, the Hezbollah flag with its AK47 is bad enough. 65.9.50.213 04:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
What does it mean by to "simulate" the Wiki "interface"? Someone can answer me please. Wooyi 17:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
What are the guidelines from removing warnings from your own talk page. I have found WP:ARCHIVE and WP:UW which answer that warnings should not be removed, however some people say that the editor has total control over their user talk page. mrholybrain 's talk 01:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I came across a user page today that I think is in clear violation of WP policy (User:Carirach). Do I report this to WP:AIV? -- Sanfranman59 23:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a place where I can get step-by-step instructions for creating a user page? Thank you! I LOVE AIRPLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Derrty2033, who has been doing some weird stuff lately, created a page on User:Flatscreen. As far as I can tell, User:Flatscreen is not a real user. I have the impression that User:Flatscreen should be deleted as patent nonsense. Could someone provide guidance or take care of the page? Thank you, Dr. Submillimeter 21:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I there such a model wich replace by the current user name? I tryed : {{CURENTUSER}},{{CURENTUSER}}, {{USER}}, {{USERPAGE}}
,
Special:Mypage,
Special:Mytalk... but and searched in help files but i didn't find a suitable one.
It is for use in an input box such as :
<inputbox> type=create preload={{PAGENAME}}/Bookmark break=no prefix=User:{{CURENTUSER}}/Bookmarks/ buttonlabel=New bookmark </inputbox>
It is for a wikia project.
Thanks by advance if you can help.--
Ttibaut 22:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Several editors have brought serrious trouble on themselves by including in user space material which is considered by others (including arbitrators) to be likely to bring the project into disrepute. In Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Billy Ego-Sandstein/Proposed decision it is noted that there is nothing currently in this guideline to remind users of that. I added a section under "What is discouraged on my user page?" to remedy this omission. Guy ( Help!) 11:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This seems to keep coming up... an editor blanks his/her own talkpage of content, warnings, etc. and then gets warned by another editor or admin for blanking content. I've actually seen a couple of editors get blocked for this (or for WP:3RR when they reverted the restoration). So, I think it would be helpful to add some text here indicating that editors are free to blank their talkpage but that archiving is preferable. This isn't instruction creep; this is current practice. I just think it would be helpful to spell it out since so many editors, admins included, don't seem to be aware this is the case. Any thoughts on wording, etc?-- Isotope23 14:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is the gist of what I think such an addition should say (though my text leaves a lot to be desired, I'm at work and in a hurry — feel free to hack it to bits):
Users in good standing may utilize discretion with regard to all content on their user talk pages. When removing non-vandalism, archiving is encouraged, but blocks may not be issued when no larger pattern of disruption exists.
— bbatsell ¿? ✍ 18:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Any perusal of my user page shows that I parody other user pages. My categories are red-links, I have one single joke userbox, instead of barnstars I repost insults and vandalism. There is an admin who doesn't object to a category, Category:Wikipedians by religion but he objects to me being in that category. I've been in that category for 17 months. Nothing about me being in that category is a violation of WP:USER. It's not divisive, or abusive or polemic. It doesn't insult anyone. But, this admin is threatening to block me for WP:POINT disruption for putting myself in this category.
This is strictly a control issue and I think it's abusive to threaten me with a block because I won't conform to his view of user organization. As this is a user space issue, it's exceedingly lame but I don't like the implications of being bullied to remove things from my user page that otherwise comply with WP:USER. SchmuckyTheCat 19:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
What you fail to mention in this is that there was a unanimous UCFD debate resulting in depopulating users from the category, which you were made fully aware of and ignored, claiming "no consensus exists that UCFD decisions are binding" as justification for ignoring any decision made there that you don't like. The admin who left the message on your user pages was fully justified, and I recommend you try to get the UCFD overturned if you disagree with the result. VegaDark 08:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Many userpages are now sporting images outside the id="content" area (e.g. Image:Uncyclopedia Featured.png). The UI is not something people should be tampering with, and can lead to links being obscured (e.g. User:Fir0002, User:Pizza1512) and confusion as to what is "official" content, and what is user-generated. ed g2s • talk 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I have a question. On the SHA-1 article, we have a link to an implementation of SHA-1 written in VB. However, it pretty much sucks. I have a better implementation (not the best probably, but at least it's more readable and efficient). If this were Wikipedia related code, I'd just put it in a user page; this is generally considered okay, just take a look at all the user scripts. However, this code is only related to Wikipedia in that we want to link to it (after a thorough review).
So in short, I don't know whether the code is allowed on a user page, and if it is, whether it would be proper to link to it from an article. On the other hand, it is not exactly encyclopedic content, it's just a short module, so it would not be right to put it in the main namespace.
Since I don't know what the proper thing to do is, I thought I'd better ask a question here. If putting the code on Wikipedia is not possible, I'd appreciate tips on what else to do with it. I'm looking forward to your answer here, or on Talk:SHA-1 (I'm not very active at the moment and I might miss messages going to my talk page). Shinobu 10:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the VB wikia wants it. There's not much there yet, they should be happy with anything they get. :-) Shinobu 10:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I think "Anything likely to bring the project into disrepute" should either be left in the "What is discouraged on my user page?" section, or be more specific about what can be seen as "bringing the project into disrepute". The reason why this was added is quite clear, but I can think of a lot of other examples that might bring Wikipedia into disrepute in the eyes of some people: Advocacy of far right politics, zoophilia, or rape fantasies, for example. Do we really want to forbid our users to talk about such topics on their user pages, or would this just be collateral damage from the new rule? I personally don't see a good reason why a user should advocate such things explicitly on his user page in the first place, but I'd also feel quite uneasy if we'd simply forbade this just because we want to get rid of self-identified pedophiles. So adding the new rule to the "What is discouraged on my user page?" section (or rather, leaving the rule where it was in the first place) sounds like a good compromise to me. "Anything that might bring the project into disrepute is clearly not allowed" sounds like endless edit wars over topics such as those I just mentioned, while "Anything that might bring the project into disrepute is discouraged" sounds like using common sense on a case-by-case basis, accompanied by actual discussions, which should be preferred in most cases. Maybe we could add a sentence that states that everything pedophilia related should be brought directly to the ArbCom mailinglist instead of creating a new, broad rule. -- Conti| ✉ 14:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
As much to the point: those motivated by religious bigotry against other faiths tend to feel they are enforcing Divine Law rather than Earthly Law, and that punishing Sin (a crime against God) is even more important than punishing merely mundane crime. So it's not such a difference in motivation or effect -- except that it is often even more extreme. -- Ben TALK/ HIST 09:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
See User talk:Jimbo Wales#Massive pedophile crackdown, especially my post, reproduced here:
Hope someone clears this up with me. Is a user allowed to blank their own user page or delete contents when, as it would turn out, the only purpose for doing that is to remove the [[WP:USETEMP|user warnings that other Wikipedians left there? On more than one occasions, I've left user warnings on other user's accounts (for various reasons, including vandalisms). Then a few days later, the user will either blank or remove content, and when I check the diff, the deleted content would always be the user warnings. I've re-read this page and this is what I found:
...the removal of good-faith warnings, even though permitted, is often frowned upon.
But another editor advised me that since a user talk page is someone's own space, they can delete it (so the bottom line is I can't restore it since the user can do as he pleases). I'd like to give the user the benefit of the doubt, but then again something's telling me that there may be something wrong with deleting warnings left on your account (unless these are really old ones...in this case, the user warning was blanked about two or three days after I left it). Your opinions will be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance! --- Tito Pao 17:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I've removed several sections that state that "some people frown upon such-and-such". These are basically weasel words that mean that some people want to forbid something but there's no consensus for such prescription. And, well, weasel words are something that Wikipedia frowns upon. >Radiant< 08:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I notice that a lot of pictures placed up on user pages like personal pictures or banners which some people have created and uploaded to Wikipedia are being nominated for deletion as "unencyclopedic". All WP:USER refers to in the use of images on a user page are non-free images which people may place on a user page. I also have coded up my page to make it look more attractive, whilst not moving away from the main aims of what a user page is. Are there new rules on what images can be used on a user page and if so, why are images not covered in the WP:USER guidelines? I also ask the same question on code (the old "its time that could be spent improving articles" argument springs to mind). Because there are a lot of editors pages (see here) who may find themselves on the wrong side of WP:MFD if there are new rules on images/code which aren't covered on WP:USER when either they should be, or images/code shouldn't be deleted. -- tgheretford ( talk) 13:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
where can i put information about the city of portobello? just to be clear, not portobelo, colon. it was a city opposite portobelo colon, and across the bay. this city was involved was a rock quarry for the canal.
tks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.224.139.222 ( talk • contribs).
What's the policy on users claiming (professing/admitting) to criminal activities or membership of criminal gangs on user pages? E.g. "I'm a member of [insert name of notorious criminal gang]?" -- 211.30.234.103 04:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
To; All Wikipedians Who Do Editing, Etc,
Someone has once again vandalized the Web-page/site on Mood Rings. The Mood Ring Color Chart has an incorrect entry for the color "Green" as being "high". "Green" is normally associated as the "Average Reading, Active, Not Under Great Stress" or "Sensitive" on some other Mood Charts. The color "Brown" listed in the Mood Color Chart is Ok, but this color is not normally included on this particular chart for the colors & moods. Also- "Brown" on a Mood Ring is more often associated with a "Reserved Attitude, Random Thinking, Restlessness, Reflecting Fidgetness, Being Troubled, Unhappy, Worried & Fear".
I have studied Mood Rings & their Colors as an entertainment-hobby, so I know what I am talking about here -however- when I have in the past done some editing that I thought would improve the entry on Mood Rings, it was deleted. So- I will allow someone else more savvy in how to correctly edit Web-pages on Wikipedia to take care of these needed corrections.
Thank you for your time.
Dawn Dawnofrabbits 17:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
To; All Editing Wikipedians,
I would like to make a recommendation that the editing policy on Wikipedia be changed to limit editing privileges to those who are more credible, qualified and have perhaps had their background checked (at least minimally) to reduce the likelihood of vandalism, and therefore, the occurance of misinformation. A reasonable screening process of some sort, I would think, could be set up with stricter procedures and guide-lines as to exactly who will be allowed to make edits on Wikipedia; where said individuals doing the editing will have to agree to certain standards or risk possible liability for tampering with the Web-site. The current system that you have in place right now for editing, tends to invite the potential for chaos. In other words; a rat, or hacker and/or whatever term you prefer, could do a lot of damage for whatever less than honorable reasons they might have to Wikipedia given the very open-editing policies that you currently have in place.
This is just a suggestion anyway.
Thank you again.
Dawn Dawnofrabbits 17:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
What code should I use if I wanted to change the colour of my eniter user page? ► Adriaan90 ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) ♪♫ 23:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I came across this user page: User:Zer0taku whose user page is only in Japanese. Are there any guidelines about this? I think I have seen it somewhere.-- Kylohk 16:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
It think there should be a guidline about using absoulute cordinits to modify a user page name. It makes it really confusing and hard to tell what the page is, I allmost nominated someones user page for deletion on axident because they changed the display so it did not include "User:". If you dont know what im talking about and want an example add this {{User:Icewedge/Sandbox}}
to your userpage.
There is a centralized discussion in WT:U#Proposal regarding non-Latin usernames. This discussion on the policy page may affect the content of this guideline too. You are welcome to participate. Niko Silver 09:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I see no discussion about adding a notice about userboxes to this page. They're very strongly deprecated, controversial bits of userpage furniture, mostly used for highly unwikipedian purposes. As such I don't think we want them to be described on this official guideline as if they were something to be encouraged. I've removed the section. -- Tony Sidaway 09:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} In section Wikipedia:User_page#Removal_of_warnings, add after first sentence: However block messages, unblock requests, sockpuppetry notices are prohibited from removing during period of their effect.
This is a policy but missed. Secsamedy 05:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the section
What may I have on my user page? has a broken link to the now-deleted Category:Wikipedian musicians. A category subsitution, I believe, is in order for purposes of illustration. -
B.C.Schmerker 07:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I added a line-break code to separate the text from the userbox box on my userpage, but that won't work. What else should I try because it ticks me off how the bullet points in my list of VHS tapes is inside the userbox box. Sean90 22:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC).
Is there any policy on people including false information on their talk page (eg. claiming to be a doctor, when they're not), or making false information about themselves elsewhere (eg. claiming to be an expert). -- 84.9.191.165 00:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
This appears in the what must I not have on my page guidelines: "You might also want to consider Wikia for wiki-style community collaboration." First, is Wikia for free? Second, is Wikia for profit? It's hard to tell either from the article and I know it has something to do with Jimbo, so my request is somewhat sensitive: If it's not free and is for profit, can this referral be removed? it looks like an endorsement or advertisement. If I'm being an a-hole about this, tell me, but I don't mean to be, but if we had a referral to godaddy or something I'd be equally curious but not quite so sheepish about it. Carlossuarez46 06:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Offensive content shouldn't really be in userspace anyway. Will ( talk) 13:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Offensive to whom? Some people have a pretty low threshold of offense. It appears from WP:AN/I#Inappropriate_protection_of_User_talk:Anonimu (I know that will soon be archived, and I would welcome an update of the link to point to the archive once that happens) that Will is one of these. I, for one, am a lot more offended by high-handed removal of material from other people's user pages.
We may need a clarification of a threshold as to what constitutes a polemic. If I have followed correctly, and if there is no hidden agenda going on, Will seems to think that the single statement "This user chooses not to listen to ultra-nationalist rhetoric, of whatever nation" on my user page constituted an unacceptable polemic. For what it's worth, my talk page also contains the statement "Wikipedia is biased toward over-inclusion of certain material pertaining to (for example) science fiction, contemporary youth culture, contemporary U.S. and UK culture in general, and anything already well covered in the English-langauge portion of the Internet," which is probably more polemical than the statement that Will objected to, but I believe is still well within the limits of acceptable content for a user page.
As I mentioned in the discussion of the dispute, I'm inclined to give enormous latitude to user pages, and I'm not sure I even like the rule against polemics. For an example of a user page that certainly offends me, but which I would not censor, consider User:Morton devonshire. For an example of one that I find quite offensive, and would understand if it were to be censored, but which I, left to my own decision, would leave alone because it helps "peg" the user in question, see User:Zionists United. I suspect that the latter — not the sort of thing on my page — was the sort of thing that someone had in mind in making this rule; in any case, a clarification would be in order.
Again, I strongly object to the unqualified addition of "offensive"; I think it would unleash a barrage of attacks on user pages by people who are easily offended, or are willing to pretend to be. (E.g., I could imagine someone deciding they were offended by all mention of user's own religious beliefs.) - Jmabel | Talk 15:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Woah, is there some internet / knowledge junkies here or what??? Signed, Someone In Denial —Preceding
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The references to "polemical" stuff originally related, basically, to using userspace pages as one's personal blog. There used to be a quote by Jimbo providing context about that, which I removed as part of the overall movement toward dejimboization. I think that it should be changed to clarify that it is banning "Extensive non-Wikipedia-related polemics." Obuibo Mbstpo ( talk) 16:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I've just come across a user page which gives the user's age. I think these guidelines should include warnings or recommendations not to include your age (for minors) or any other personal details that may lead to identity fraud or worse. I don't have time to draft these, unfortunately, but if they were there I could at least point the user at this page. Stephenb (Talk) 16:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I have no interest in personal interactions intended for public scrutiny. I want my User and Talk pages Protected, so that nobody can edit them. But, it seems people can't protect their own pages. How do I get this done? I would have them deleted, but I want to provide an email address for those who something to say to me. Bsharvy 06:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I understand I'm a bit late for UI Spoofing discussion. Well, next time it's discussed I think a compromise can be reached (at least for the "new message" joke): jokers must NOT use class=usermessage
but instead put something like
<div style="background-color:#FFCE7B; border:1px solid #FFA500; padding:0.5em 1em; font-weight:bold;"> … … </div>
Then people who are really annoyed by this will be able to redefine usermessage
class in their personal /monobook.css and use some different color for genuine messages. In other words: using div with some style is fine, using class defined in Mediawiki is bad because it doesn't leave users a choice. I think at least that much should be added to the guideline ∴
Alex Smotrov 15:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, a person can remove warnings from a user talk page as a "sign that they have read it." I don't think this should be allowed, people only do this so they don't have a nasty stain on their record. Cheers, JetLover (talk) 03:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I've gotten a "nominated for deletion" kind of tag on my userpage. Why? And how do I get rid of it? Trekphiler 19:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Radiant recently added a statement that user space should not be used for collections of evidence to be used in a later proceeding (RFC or RFAR, presumably). While Radiant makes a good point, I can find no prior discussion of this and I object to it as a blanket rule. Keeping evidence on your own hard drive is fine if you have mediawiki installed, but user space is the only way most of us can check the formatting, make sure diffs are right, and so on. User space also allows editors to work on a case together. Every arbitration case and RFC I have filed was started in my user space, usually I open the case within a day or two. I would agree with "Collections of evidence should not be kept indefinitely; if you do not plan to open a case in the near future, evidence should be kept on your own hard drive." But I can not agree with a blanket prohibition. Thatcher131 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
(merged sections) I routinely educate users if I find an evidence page in their user space that such pages can be considered attack pages and are generally inappropriate. Users who want to collect evidence can do so in a text editor. I didn't realize that was also mentioned here, but I support including it here. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
All pages in userspace are to be used in preference to any other page to collect evidence related to conduct issues in the early stages of a dispute. User talk space is also acceptable for this purpose. This is of course subject to the Harassment guideline, and like all other pages on Wikipedia must comply with the No personal attacks policy in that it should not denigrate the person of the editor or editors in question. It is acceptable to gather possible evidence of bad faith (trolling, etc), but this should not be done in a prejudicial manner. Commonsense should be used. Act like a grownup and you'll be treated like one.
If you collect conduct evidence in your userspace or user talkspace, it should not be done in an indiscriminate manner, and should pertain to sensible concerns (including but not limited to existing policies). The community can see the evidence gathered, and the manner of its construction, and should feel free to comment on the appropriateness of the activity of gathering such evidence in the circumstances pertaining, and in exceptional cases an editor who engages in grossly inappropriate gathering of evidence may be sanctioned by the arbitration committee.
It is not appropriate to equate an evidence page, per se, with an attack page. An attack page is used, or is intended to be used, for the purpose of personally attacking or intimidating another person. If you gather on your user page a list of diffs to edits by a certain editor or group of editors, labelling them as possible conduct issues related to established policy or legitimate concerns, then it should be considered legitimate in the absence of evidence to the contrary, as long as it's quite clear from your conduct that you are engaging the editor and attempting to raise his awareness of the disputed actions, or have made reasonable attempts to do so.
Timescale is material, but in chronic cases it's reasonable to gather evidence over a period of months, if offences are egregious and ongoing. I've seen arbitration cases in which evidence gather over a period of six months has been considered material, and gathering such evidence publicly, in the full light of day, is probably better for the process than doing so secretly and without serious attempts to raise the issues with the subject.
There is nothing here that doesn't follow from our dispute resolution policy. -- Tony Sidaway 04:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I generally agree with Thatcher and Tyrenius on this issue. Drawing the line may sometimes be difficult in an individual case, but that is true in applying lots of guidelines, and doesn't invalidate the distinction. Newyorkbrad 13:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
How about:
Tyrenius 14:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
After discussing the issue privately with a few people, I have a better sense of their concerns. The best description I can find to synthesize the points of view here and the attack page CSD criterion is: preparing evidence for an RFC or arbitration case, if done politely, is acceptable; but if the user being documented objects, the person gathering the evidence should be ready to either file the case or remove the evidence from the wiki. Pages that serve only to disparage other editors are never acceptable. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 12:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The following language is being proposed to be added to Wikipedia:User page:
Collection of material against others - A gratuitous collection of material against others is not an appropriate user page use. However, a reasonable collection of evidence and other information for a dispute resolution process such as RfC or arbitration case over the course of a week or two weeks is an acceptable user page use. After this time, you should be ready to either file the dispute resolution case or remove the material against others from the wiki. User pages containing gratuitous collection of material against others may be deleted at Miscellany for deletion.
Please use the above as a starting point for the language to be added. Please line out material to delete and underscore material to be added to the above language. Please note the reason for your change below
I'm surprised there's no specific mention of spam, promotion, or advertising on user pages. We routinely revert or delete user pages with promotional material on them, and it would certainly be covered under "substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia", but I propose to add a bullet point to the "What may I not have on my user page?" with specific mention of that along with what is presently there including weblogs, polemics, games, entertainment, extensive personal info, etc. This would be something like:
Obviously hardcore spammers wouldn't be persuaded by a user page guideline, but there have been a number of recent cases of possibly good-faith users with spam for their companies/practices on their user pages and it would be nice to be able to point them at a specific guideline. -- MCB 18:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The phrasing is a bit too "bright-line" - normally there's some leeway for e.g. if an established user in good standing happens to mention their job/business/etc in the context of a brief section about personal information, etc. -- Random832 19:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the removal of warnings policy from a users talk page. I believe that the only person who should be allowed to remove them are the users that placed them, or an admin. It can be hard to find what you need in the history page of a repeat vandal, as the page history can be long and finding what you need is hard. I see the removal of warnings just another way for vandals to elude blocks, i know from personal experience that when i was a new user i was un-sure what warning template on a users page. I suggest that the policy be changed so that if a user disagrees with the warn they received they can either bring it up with the user who placed it, if that does not work or they do not want to, they can go to a admin or conflict resolution. Otherwise the warnings should just be archived on the users talk page and not removed. Tiptoety 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Has the removal of warnings been repealed? Because I just saw Anthony.bradbury tell someone not to do that. User:JetLover 22:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys..I'm quite new to wikipedia. And after i read the user page article i still dont understand the *exact* use of the user page. The article is written for someone who is already oriented to wikipedia. I can only tell that the page is not for telling people who you are...so can someone tell me *clearly* what it is used for? Yes i'm a noob Enoch08 10:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the "removal of warnings" rule and I have formed an RFC about it. The reason I am doing that is this is that it is just another way vandals can make it harder on users, and other users simply don't want that ugly stain in their history. And although you can find these in the history page, it's like trying to find a hay in a needle stack. To prove my point, I dare anyone who disagrees to [6] find the time when someone told me his edits to black hole were correct. Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 02:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm talking about vandalism warnings. And we have the {{ Talk-vandal1}} {{ Talk-vandal2}} and {{ Talk-vandal3}} for that. Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 04:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the removal of warnings policy from a users talk page. I believe that the only person who should be allowed to remove them are the users that placed them, or an admin. It can be hard to find what you need in the history page of a repeat vandal, as the page history can be long and finding what you need is hard. I see the removal of warnings just another way for vandals to elude blocks, i know from personal experience that when i was a new user i was un-sure what warning template on a users page. I suggest that the policy be changed so that if a user disagrees with the warn they received they can either bring it up with the user who placed it, if that does not work or they do not want to, they can go to a admin or conflict resolution. Otherwise the warnings should just be archived on the users talk page and not removed. Tiptoety 17:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiptoety ( talk • contribs)
Shouldn't there be different standards for this between IP talk pages and User talk pages? I only ask because most vandalism seems to be from IPs. • Lawrence Cohen 19:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it problematic that warnings and comments can now be removed from a user talk page, without any recourse. When I first joined Wikipedia, I remember removing a talk page warning, but was advised by another editor to keep it as a record of communication. It was a guideline that seemed to be followed for the longest time, until recently. It's troubling that editors can simply undo recent comments from their talk page, so that it appears that they have a "clean" slate or history of editing. The point of the talk page is to show that you're learning from your past actions so that you can improve your future contributions. -- Madchester 01:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I came across User:Bijanse and User:World Wide Woman, and noticed both pages are entirely made up of nothing but links to copyrighted YouTube videos. I'm sure this is against policy somehow, but I wasn't sure how to take action, so I figured that I would leave a note here. On top of that, both pages look almost identical, which may suggest those are sockpuppet accounts. – Dream out loud ( talk) 22:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
If I post my own original writings to my user page, or sub-pages thereof, does that automatically mean that I am releasing them into the GFDL? Captain Zyrain 19:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Is it allowable for IP users to remove vandal warnings from their own talk page? If so, is it limited to old, stale warnings, or current ones as well? I do RC sometime, and there is a related conversaion here that I was following. I would guess that IPs removing vandal warnings that are "recent" (less than a week? a month?) should be inappropriate, as the IP talk pages aren't really theirs. What is the rule on that? • Lawrence Cohen 18:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, anything that can slow down the summary deletions by self-appointed self-important deleters would be helpful in keeping Wikipedia relevant to people who need a quick reference to medical clinics or other services not supported by advertising of the pharmaceutical industry.
Perhaps the addition of and permanence of warnings, with a sufficient timeframe to prudently review would be good. Another idea I haven't seen is to give an allowance of one or two articles per individual person more leeway. This is self-limiting to a few billion people who wish to describe something that has more leeway and less imperitive to summarily quick deletion, and be in a different category, with less danger of overloading the system in their minds. And, when you think about it, every individual person who is adding their allowance article is adding to the value the readership and participation of Wikipedia.
Otherwise, it appears to me that what is happening is making Wikipedia less useful as a resource, in my particular case, for medical research, and both lives and limbs will continue to be lost, since the site has been compromised by self-appointed self-important deleters who replace individual judgment of the public with their own.
On the matter of "well, just write a book on it, or get an article in the local paper, or do advertising", this references a non-profit medical clinic providing Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy and referencing other facilities in the area, for the purpose of informing urgent medical care decisions of those who are about to get their legs amputated, and other conditions. This therapy saves that in 75% of the cases, as shown by peer-reviewed publication referenced in the article, and references on these types of clinics in general, and others in the area.
Such facilities don't advertise usually, have better facilities than the hospital (no kidding, they really do), and charge a fraction of the amount. This is simple reference material that can't be gotten by patients any other way, unless they are lucky enough to come across it. Otherwise, the effort required to fend of random deleters isn't worth it, and fewer articles important to the public health will get done. While those in healthcare who are not funded by the usual high-margin pharma and equipment houses do not have time to spare to get into long drawn-out arguments, in my experience they will happily follow guidelines for relevance, neutrality, references and clarity,if they truly care about public health, which nearly all do.
If we want Wikipedia to be a trusted and valued resource, this type of information needs not to be randomly deleted, or greater justificatio for deletion for the public good. Mgreenham 23:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Vivek99.iitk 23:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC) The information provided here is not accurate as this MLB medical college was established in 1968 not in 1988..please cooperate in emending the mistakes. I am a medicine graduate from this college only...if one has any reservations please feel free to discuss here. for further references kindly visit...www.mlbmcj.in thanks
Is it possible to remove the page name from the top of one's user page, like on the main page? – thedemonhog talk • edits • box 05:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Graham Ledger is in charge of marketing, communications and public relations for www.NetworkTalkRadio.com. It is a logical transition for someone who marketed himself for more than 20 years on television. Graham anchored the news on television in Southern California for more than 15 years, becoming one of the most well known, well respected TV newsmen in Southern California. Graham is a two-time Emmy Award winner for best “news writing”. He’s also a two-time Golden Microphone winner. Graham was also heavily involved in the Big Brothers and Sisters program. He was named “Man of the Year, 2000” for Big Brothers for his decade-long series of reports on KFMB-TV. In 2003, the San Diego County Board of Supervisors proclaimed April 7th as “Graham Ledger Day” for his work with abused children. Currently, Graham sits on boards of directors for local charities, including Fr. Joe’s Villiage~Toussaint Youth Center and the Sullivan Foundation for Children. He also an active member of the PTA and volunteers his time at dozens of charitable events throughout the county each year. Graham went to San Diego State University, graduating in 1984.
Graham Ledger is in charge of marketing, communications and public relations for www.NetworkTalkRadio.com. It is a logical transition for someone who marketed himself for more than 20 years on television. Graham anchored the news on television in Southern California for more than 15 years, becoming one of the most well known, well respected TV newsmen in Southern California. Graham is a two-time Emmy Award winner for best “news writing”. He’s also a two-time Golden Microphone winner. Graham was also heavily involved in the Big Brothers and Sisters program. He was named “Man of the Year, 2000” for Big Brothers for his decade-long series of reports on KFMB-TV. In 2003, the San Diego County Board of Supervisors proclaimed April 7th as “Graham Ledger Day” for his work with abused children. Currently, Graham sits on boards of directors for local charities, including Fr. Joe’s Villiage~Toussaint Youth Center and the Sullivan Foundation for Children. He also an active member of the PTA and volunteers his time at dozens of charitable events throughout the county each year. Graham went to San Diego State University, graduating in 1984. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NetworkTalkRadio ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I've come across a few users who have rather annoying HTML boxes on their userpages that have fixed positions and follow the reader all the way down the page. See [7], removed after I left a request on the user's talk page, and 2. As I said, I left a message on the first user's talk page asking him to remove it, and he did, but he also alerted the second user, who left a rather uncivil message on my talk page. However, this user raised a good point, which was that we don't have any policies against this. After a reading of WP:USER, I'm inclined to agree. However, it seems to me that we probably should, as these kinds of boxes are highly disruptive to reading the page. Thoughts? Glass Cobra 13:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I say it shouldn't matter what a user has on it's userpage as long as They compliying with the other editing policies outside the userpage.-- Monnitewars (talk) 03:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
WaltDaMan 12:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC) Only on my page......... What happens here stays here WaltDaMan 12:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I was just wondering if it permitted to do like User:Ehistory has done ? When you go to his talk page or his user page you are redirected to User talk:Bushido and User:Bushido, this makes it harder to see his contributions. User:Bushido is an inexistent account (someone else might create it in the future and be confused by having a whole page full of warnings about uploading copyrighted material). Jackaranga 02:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
What do y'all think? It's not quite inappropriate content, but it really isn't a valid user page either... heh.. -- Jaysweet 21:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Its seem the point is so that when you click on their name and click talk, you are really getting the talk page of some other article. Is having your user page anothing but a redirect to a standard encylopidia page acceptable?-- Dacium 05:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I can't seem to find any "guideline" or "etiquette" information that tells me "where to respond to a user talk entry." That is, if someone posts on my user talk page should I only respond there or should I also respond on their user talk page as well (since they will most likely not realize I have responded if I only respond on my user talk page)? — Noah 22:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. It seems this would be useful info for the User Page article -- I'm sure I'm not the only n00b that has found this confusing. Shall I go ahead and make an edit? — Noah 08:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah Salzman ( talk • contribs)
It seems to me that it would be extremely beneficial to everyone if there was a general suggestion (not rule) that conversations should "continue on the page where they were started". The benefit of having to only look in one place seems to outweigh the cost of training new users to watch other-users talk pages. — Noah 15:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noah Salzman ( talk • contribs)
I want to delete my account as I created it only fo 2 weeks. How can I do it? MarketingHec ( talk) 12:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we should ask this to be deleted. How to go about doing that? Anshuk ( talk) 02:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)