All NPPers are encouraged to watchlist the main discussion page to keep on top of issues directly related to reviewing and policy. The current high backlog is generating a lot of "coordination-type" discussion that has been spread about various personal talk pages. It would be better if all coordination discussion were in one place. Since these discussions are not happening on the main discussion page (where this TP has redirected since 2018), moving them here makes more sense than having them scattered on User TPs. @ Kudpung, Novem Linguae, and Barkeep49: MB 03:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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I have raised again a request I made over 6 months ago on MMiller (WMF)'s talk page. Please see Suggested Improvements. It concerns additions and updates to the criteria on the filter dialogue panel. There appears to be Phab tickets but it's not clear if this request was included. Could someone please follow up on Phab? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
The July Admin newsletter may not be sent for a few more days. I added a request that admins consider doing some reviewing based on some prior discussion. Kudpung, you didn't say anything. I'd like someone from the project to concur it sounds OK. Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter. I'm not sure what editorial control there is - there is a note that says contributions are welcome from all users, so I just went ahead and added something. MB 04:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
1. In view of the huge number of inactive reviewers, and 2, although I'm no longer an admin I've been watching the requests at PERM for a while, it might be worth considering raising the bar for access to the reviewer group to WP:ECP i.e. 30/500, which is already being used as a minimum access criterion for requesting access to some tools and features. If there is a mini consensus here, it can be put to the New Page Review community for further discussion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 04:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Per the discussion on my TP on this matter, I have requested a monthly database report to identify those with zero reviews in the last 6 and 12 months. I put in this request without an immediate need for it since it looks like it could take some time for a volunteer to create it. Before implementing any automatic removal (per NPP guidlines), we should heed Xaosflux's advice and clarify that the criterion (12 months inactivity) means 12 months of NPP inactivity (i.e. no reviews) - not 12 months of en.wp activity (attested by its author Kudpung) and advertise this on the reviewer discussion page and in the next NPP newsletter. @ Joe Roe:. MB 15:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Of 740 reviewers in the period of 12 months up to 30 June this year,
Still to analyse: How many of the 1 to 9 review users are new users.
Anyone is welcome to do a better or more accurate analysis. I won't be offended. A further report will be made to cover the period of the July backlog drive to compare and measure its impact. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 00:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Efforts on Phabricator appear to have stalemated. Do we want to slap an RFC tag on the WT:NPPR thread and add it to T:CENT? Is it worth the time/effort/drama? It doesn't directly reduce the backlog, so I feel a bit meh about it, but I guess we should finish what we started. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 18:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
@ MB and Novem Linguae: I may have misread his comment - it's full of Phab jargon - but it now looks as if another WMF dev is finding reasons to deny this request. You might not be subscribed to that thread. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Why did the gizmo with the green check mark start off named PageTriage and then start getting called Page Curation? Without knowing the history, I would suggest renaming it back to PageTriage. My first impression is that having two names is confusing and imprecise. Happy to hear the history though in case I'm missing something. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 06:36, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
This page now has a header and a short cut. See page top. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
MB, I really don't want you to think I've usurped your initiative to do the newsletters - I've written enough of them over the years, but I've been jotting down some thoughts for the next one which you will probably want to send when the results of the backlog drive are in. Feel absolutely free to change anything. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, I've just finished adding all the issues with open tickets on the suggestion page. We are going to have to go review everything and prioritize (from the NPP perspective). I see some of them were suggested by just one person, and then a ticket opened without much discussion. We need to talk about the best way to do this. Maybe ask everyone to pick their top 10 or something like that. But before we get to that stage, what's missing? Most everything there are enhancements. Aren't there more bugs that need fixes?
Also, can you archive the one item that is closed - this one. I don't know how to use that one-click archiver, I assume that is another script you have to install.
And can you take a look at this. This claims that redirects drop out of the queue after 30 days, and asks for the noindex time to be changed to 90 like articles. MB 05:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, just repeating some of what I said on your TP about issue tracking for the benefit of others reading this page. Yes, we don't want unnecessary duplication of work. Some issues are being raised on WT:NPPR which is a free-form discussion page and threads are archived after becoming inactive. That is no tracking mechanism. Everything we do want fixed or changed should be listed at WP:PCSI where it won't be forgotten. I don't see that there is duplication between WP:PCSI section and WP:PCSI table - the table is just a summary, or an enhanced TOC to make it easier to comprehend the status of the items on the rest of the page. As far as your comment "Phab is the most important place to get these documented" - nothing will be fixed without a ticket, so it is important to write the Phab tickets. I don't agree with the rest of your statement: "because developers use Phab when they are looking for tickets to work on". It's pretty clear that the WMF is not putting any resources to any Page Curation issues except for critical maintenance. The model isn't write a ticket and wait for a developer to come along that wants to work on it. We are going to have to make a case that Page Curation needs some attention and request some developer time be allocated for NPP. When we do this, and if we get any increased support, it's unlikely to be enough to implement all ~100 open tickets. So we definitely need to prioritize the work. To do this, we need some basic project tracking. I was once a software project manager and I can't imagine coordinating a project this complex without good data and reports. Kudpung and others used WP:PCSI this way in the past and the need is still here. So please help keep it up-to-date. I see you did add T280890 to the table, thanks for that. MB 02:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
The model isn't write a ticket and wait for a developer to come along that wants to work on it.It can be sometimes. I had never edited Twinkle's code before, and I went on their GitHub and wrote patches for every open ticket that I found to be easy. I'm up to like 50 patches that I've submitted. In PageTriage news, I am happy to report that I found the root cause of both the AFD bug and the PROD bug today, and I will probably be able to write a patch and get that fixed in the next week or two. I hear ya on your points, I'm sure we can meet in the middle on the ticket tracking stuff. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 02:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
If you want to see every change made to every PageCuration ticket on Phabricator going forward, without having to find and subscribe to them, you can add yourself as a watcher to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/members/541/. Be warned, you will get lots of notifications (or emails if you have that turned on). – Novem Linguae ( talk) 07:23, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
My patch to fix the PageTriage AFD and prod bugs got merged today. Yay. May thanks to TheresNoTime for the quick code review. It will be deployed around Thursday, July 28. I'll make a post at WT:NPPR the day after that, encouraging people to switch back to PageTriage for prods and AFDs.
In my mind, these were some of the highest priority bugs. These particular bugs are, in my opinion, what gives the PageTriage tool a reputation for being buggy and what has driven a lot of patrollers to just use Twinkle for everything but the green check mark. I'm very excited I was able to knock out these high priority bugs. I hope the deployment goes smoothly, and I look forward to working on some more bug tickets as time permits. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 14:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
When any Trustee answers a question, these are official answers. They are usually checked and researched beforehand. I happen to know EnWiki quite well, including this issue and others, but even if I didn’t, I would not speak without checking first.[…] Any Trustee would have given the same answer, no matter what their home wiki is as the answer that was given was prepared in advance, after checking it with relevant staff. It may not have been the answer you wanted, but it was an honest answer.
It's looking as if one or two of the Phab tickets might in fact be getting close to completion. I'm sure that by now key people like MMiller (WMF), KStoller-WMF, Johan (WMF), are all aware of at least some of the key issues concerning Page Triage clearly explained in this synoptic comment, and if not, I'm equally convinced they are nevertheless doing their best to understand the situation - especially where The Growth Team's mission is to recruit and retain as many editors as possible. However, they might not have been around as long as Kaldari, DannyH (WMF), and I have and they may not be fully sensitive to the impact NPP/Page Triage should be having on maintaining the quality of the encyclopedia's articles and in addition, the new challenges faced by the patrollers. We now have the attention of the Board of Trustees and Vice Chair Shani (WMF) has firmly promised it will be properly discussed and that both the CEO and the new CPTO will be involved in discussions.
The main recurring issue cited by the staff is the lack of resources. IMHO with the abundance of funds available to the WMF it should be possible to increase the HR capacity to address these and other technical grassroots requirements for ensuring a clean flagship encyclopedia. The medium (and not 'long') term solution can of course only be a rewrite of the code base. The question for us, the volunteers , is knowing whom the NPP coordinators can best directly lobby to ensure that the team of engineers is increased as quickly as possible before the system ends up being completely bankrupt, and that the overtaxed team of volunteers at NNP is not expected to divert their time from patrolling in order to provide the technical patches themselves - even if they have some of the technical knowledge. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Folks, I have been away on another summer vacation and had little WP time. While offline, I was thinking about other ways to raise awareness within the WMF of our needs. Some of us have been doing some WMF outreach (Kudz, Atsme, NL). Building on that, I have drafted a letter requesting Page Curation software support. This is specifically about addressing the backlog of open phab tickets that could be done in the short term if resources were made available, not about any potential rewrite or major change (unless of course it becomes obvious that that is a better way forward).
My thought is that we review/improve this very rough first draft (that borrows heavily on things various people have posted in various places) and agree on the best recipients. Then we ask all NPPers to add their signature (either in the next newsletter or maybe a special mass message), a “petition” of sorts. NPP needs to be more squeaky to get “oiled,” and hopefully this will have more impact if we get dozens of signatures.
Just brainstorming here. Should we try it? Waste of time? If we do nothing, getting a few of the most important issues on the next Community Wishlist may be the only opportunity to get anything done (except for bug fixes provided by NL ex-WMF). MB 12:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
The backlog drive is over. It had some impact but it bottomed out a couple of days ago and is already rising again. It's finally time to triage the list of New Page Reviewers. The user right was rolled out in 2016 and a staggering half of the 750+ reviewers have never made a single patrol. It would probably be appropriate to remove the right from all those who are not sufficiently active. Xaosflux already occasionally removes some but NPP now needs to know where it stands. The right would not be removed under a cloud, if they still want it they can always apply for it again and get 30 days probation. Just as an example, AfC reviewers are removed after 6 months. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:23, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, here are the results again of the quarry ICH did for me. I am not familiar with the technology but I think it's conclusive:
Of 740 reviewers in the period of 12 months up to 30 June this year,
It doesn't paint a pretty picture. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 22:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, I've updated the table at WP:PCSI to include the recent tickets you opened. Before we go further on prioritization and ask everyone to pick their top 10 or 20 or whatever (either for the December community wishlist or any earlier WMF effort to support us that we can make happen), what about the other NPP-related tickets. Your search of open phabs shows ~165 tickets, while our list is less than 50. Should we be considering some of those as more important than some on our list? Do you have any feel for that? MB 22:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
'The Growth engineering team is quite short-staffed currently, and we are trying to maintain focus on GrowthExperiments. This has been a challenge, as we are the stewards of many other components which all have competing priorities.'Personally I would have thought that current needs take precedence over experiments. She's doing her very best though while the WMF has been rudderless for some time, and the staff shortage is not her fault. The engineering contingent does however need to be seriously increased.
@ MB and Novem Linguae: if you haven't read this yet, then you should, especially starting at 'Changes from before your most recent comment are hidden. Show Older Changes', and read it all to the bitter end. If it wasn't so true and sad it would be first class comic relief. Guaranteed to keep you mesmerised more than your favourite sitcom and only taking just as long to read, the major roles are played by leading Wikipedians and the most senior WMF staff, It also accurately depicts the tragic rift between the community and the WMF and what you are up against. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
All NPPers are encouraged to watchlist the main discussion page to keep on top of issues directly related to reviewing and policy. The current high backlog is generating a lot of "coordination-type" discussion that has been spread about various personal talk pages. It would be better if all coordination discussion were in one place. Since these discussions are not happening on the main discussion page (where this TP has redirected since 2018), moving them here makes more sense than having them scattered on User TPs. @ Kudpung, Novem Linguae, and Barkeep49: MB 03:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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I have raised again a request I made over 6 months ago on MMiller (WMF)'s talk page. Please see Suggested Improvements. It concerns additions and updates to the criteria on the filter dialogue panel. There appears to be Phab tickets but it's not clear if this request was included. Could someone please follow up on Phab? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
The July Admin newsletter may not be sent for a few more days. I added a request that admins consider doing some reviewing based on some prior discussion. Kudpung, you didn't say anything. I'd like someone from the project to concur it sounds OK. Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter. I'm not sure what editorial control there is - there is a note that says contributions are welcome from all users, so I just went ahead and added something. MB 04:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
1. In view of the huge number of inactive reviewers, and 2, although I'm no longer an admin I've been watching the requests at PERM for a while, it might be worth considering raising the bar for access to the reviewer group to WP:ECP i.e. 30/500, which is already being used as a minimum access criterion for requesting access to some tools and features. If there is a mini consensus here, it can be put to the New Page Review community for further discussion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 04:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Per the discussion on my TP on this matter, I have requested a monthly database report to identify those with zero reviews in the last 6 and 12 months. I put in this request without an immediate need for it since it looks like it could take some time for a volunteer to create it. Before implementing any automatic removal (per NPP guidlines), we should heed Xaosflux's advice and clarify that the criterion (12 months inactivity) means 12 months of NPP inactivity (i.e. no reviews) - not 12 months of en.wp activity (attested by its author Kudpung) and advertise this on the reviewer discussion page and in the next NPP newsletter. @ Joe Roe:. MB 15:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Of 740 reviewers in the period of 12 months up to 30 June this year,
Still to analyse: How many of the 1 to 9 review users are new users.
Anyone is welcome to do a better or more accurate analysis. I won't be offended. A further report will be made to cover the period of the July backlog drive to compare and measure its impact. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 00:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Efforts on Phabricator appear to have stalemated. Do we want to slap an RFC tag on the WT:NPPR thread and add it to T:CENT? Is it worth the time/effort/drama? It doesn't directly reduce the backlog, so I feel a bit meh about it, but I guess we should finish what we started. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 18:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
@ MB and Novem Linguae: I may have misread his comment - it's full of Phab jargon - but it now looks as if another WMF dev is finding reasons to deny this request. You might not be subscribed to that thread. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Why did the gizmo with the green check mark start off named PageTriage and then start getting called Page Curation? Without knowing the history, I would suggest renaming it back to PageTriage. My first impression is that having two names is confusing and imprecise. Happy to hear the history though in case I'm missing something. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 06:36, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
This page now has a header and a short cut. See page top. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
MB, I really don't want you to think I've usurped your initiative to do the newsletters - I've written enough of them over the years, but I've been jotting down some thoughts for the next one which you will probably want to send when the results of the backlog drive are in. Feel absolutely free to change anything. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, I've just finished adding all the issues with open tickets on the suggestion page. We are going to have to go review everything and prioritize (from the NPP perspective). I see some of them were suggested by just one person, and then a ticket opened without much discussion. We need to talk about the best way to do this. Maybe ask everyone to pick their top 10 or something like that. But before we get to that stage, what's missing? Most everything there are enhancements. Aren't there more bugs that need fixes?
Also, can you archive the one item that is closed - this one. I don't know how to use that one-click archiver, I assume that is another script you have to install.
And can you take a look at this. This claims that redirects drop out of the queue after 30 days, and asks for the noindex time to be changed to 90 like articles. MB 05:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, just repeating some of what I said on your TP about issue tracking for the benefit of others reading this page. Yes, we don't want unnecessary duplication of work. Some issues are being raised on WT:NPPR which is a free-form discussion page and threads are archived after becoming inactive. That is no tracking mechanism. Everything we do want fixed or changed should be listed at WP:PCSI where it won't be forgotten. I don't see that there is duplication between WP:PCSI section and WP:PCSI table - the table is just a summary, or an enhanced TOC to make it easier to comprehend the status of the items on the rest of the page. As far as your comment "Phab is the most important place to get these documented" - nothing will be fixed without a ticket, so it is important to write the Phab tickets. I don't agree with the rest of your statement: "because developers use Phab when they are looking for tickets to work on". It's pretty clear that the WMF is not putting any resources to any Page Curation issues except for critical maintenance. The model isn't write a ticket and wait for a developer to come along that wants to work on it. We are going to have to make a case that Page Curation needs some attention and request some developer time be allocated for NPP. When we do this, and if we get any increased support, it's unlikely to be enough to implement all ~100 open tickets. So we definitely need to prioritize the work. To do this, we need some basic project tracking. I was once a software project manager and I can't imagine coordinating a project this complex without good data and reports. Kudpung and others used WP:PCSI this way in the past and the need is still here. So please help keep it up-to-date. I see you did add T280890 to the table, thanks for that. MB 02:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
The model isn't write a ticket and wait for a developer to come along that wants to work on it.It can be sometimes. I had never edited Twinkle's code before, and I went on their GitHub and wrote patches for every open ticket that I found to be easy. I'm up to like 50 patches that I've submitted. In PageTriage news, I am happy to report that I found the root cause of both the AFD bug and the PROD bug today, and I will probably be able to write a patch and get that fixed in the next week or two. I hear ya on your points, I'm sure we can meet in the middle on the ticket tracking stuff. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 02:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
If you want to see every change made to every PageCuration ticket on Phabricator going forward, without having to find and subscribe to them, you can add yourself as a watcher to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/members/541/. Be warned, you will get lots of notifications (or emails if you have that turned on). – Novem Linguae ( talk) 07:23, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
My patch to fix the PageTriage AFD and prod bugs got merged today. Yay. May thanks to TheresNoTime for the quick code review. It will be deployed around Thursday, July 28. I'll make a post at WT:NPPR the day after that, encouraging people to switch back to PageTriage for prods and AFDs.
In my mind, these were some of the highest priority bugs. These particular bugs are, in my opinion, what gives the PageTriage tool a reputation for being buggy and what has driven a lot of patrollers to just use Twinkle for everything but the green check mark. I'm very excited I was able to knock out these high priority bugs. I hope the deployment goes smoothly, and I look forward to working on some more bug tickets as time permits. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 14:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
When any Trustee answers a question, these are official answers. They are usually checked and researched beforehand. I happen to know EnWiki quite well, including this issue and others, but even if I didn’t, I would not speak without checking first.[…] Any Trustee would have given the same answer, no matter what their home wiki is as the answer that was given was prepared in advance, after checking it with relevant staff. It may not have been the answer you wanted, but it was an honest answer.
It's looking as if one or two of the Phab tickets might in fact be getting close to completion. I'm sure that by now key people like MMiller (WMF), KStoller-WMF, Johan (WMF), are all aware of at least some of the key issues concerning Page Triage clearly explained in this synoptic comment, and if not, I'm equally convinced they are nevertheless doing their best to understand the situation - especially where The Growth Team's mission is to recruit and retain as many editors as possible. However, they might not have been around as long as Kaldari, DannyH (WMF), and I have and they may not be fully sensitive to the impact NPP/Page Triage should be having on maintaining the quality of the encyclopedia's articles and in addition, the new challenges faced by the patrollers. We now have the attention of the Board of Trustees and Vice Chair Shani (WMF) has firmly promised it will be properly discussed and that both the CEO and the new CPTO will be involved in discussions.
The main recurring issue cited by the staff is the lack of resources. IMHO with the abundance of funds available to the WMF it should be possible to increase the HR capacity to address these and other technical grassroots requirements for ensuring a clean flagship encyclopedia. The medium (and not 'long') term solution can of course only be a rewrite of the code base. The question for us, the volunteers , is knowing whom the NPP coordinators can best directly lobby to ensure that the team of engineers is increased as quickly as possible before the system ends up being completely bankrupt, and that the overtaxed team of volunteers at NNP is not expected to divert their time from patrolling in order to provide the technical patches themselves - even if they have some of the technical knowledge. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Folks, I have been away on another summer vacation and had little WP time. While offline, I was thinking about other ways to raise awareness within the WMF of our needs. Some of us have been doing some WMF outreach (Kudz, Atsme, NL). Building on that, I have drafted a letter requesting Page Curation software support. This is specifically about addressing the backlog of open phab tickets that could be done in the short term if resources were made available, not about any potential rewrite or major change (unless of course it becomes obvious that that is a better way forward).
My thought is that we review/improve this very rough first draft (that borrows heavily on things various people have posted in various places) and agree on the best recipients. Then we ask all NPPers to add their signature (either in the next newsletter or maybe a special mass message), a “petition” of sorts. NPP needs to be more squeaky to get “oiled,” and hopefully this will have more impact if we get dozens of signatures.
Just brainstorming here. Should we try it? Waste of time? If we do nothing, getting a few of the most important issues on the next Community Wishlist may be the only opportunity to get anything done (except for bug fixes provided by NL ex-WMF). MB 12:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
The backlog drive is over. It had some impact but it bottomed out a couple of days ago and is already rising again. It's finally time to triage the list of New Page Reviewers. The user right was rolled out in 2016 and a staggering half of the 750+ reviewers have never made a single patrol. It would probably be appropriate to remove the right from all those who are not sufficiently active. Xaosflux already occasionally removes some but NPP now needs to know where it stands. The right would not be removed under a cloud, if they still want it they can always apply for it again and get 30 days probation. Just as an example, AfC reviewers are removed after 6 months. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:23, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, here are the results again of the quarry ICH did for me. I am not familiar with the technology but I think it's conclusive:
Of 740 reviewers in the period of 12 months up to 30 June this year,
It doesn't paint a pretty picture. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 22:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Novem Linguae, I've updated the table at WP:PCSI to include the recent tickets you opened. Before we go further on prioritization and ask everyone to pick their top 10 or 20 or whatever (either for the December community wishlist or any earlier WMF effort to support us that we can make happen), what about the other NPP-related tickets. Your search of open phabs shows ~165 tickets, while our list is less than 50. Should we be considering some of those as more important than some on our list? Do you have any feel for that? MB 22:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
'The Growth engineering team is quite short-staffed currently, and we are trying to maintain focus on GrowthExperiments. This has been a challenge, as we are the stewards of many other components which all have competing priorities.'Personally I would have thought that current needs take precedence over experiments. She's doing her very best though while the WMF has been rudderless for some time, and the staff shortage is not her fault. The engineering contingent does however need to be seriously increased.
@ MB and Novem Linguae: if you haven't read this yet, then you should, especially starting at 'Changes from before your most recent comment are hidden. Show Older Changes', and read it all to the bitter end. If it wasn't so true and sad it would be first class comic relief. Guaranteed to keep you mesmerised more than your favourite sitcom and only taking just as long to read, the major roles are played by leading Wikipedians and the most senior WMF staff, It also accurately depicts the tragic rift between the community and the WMF and what you are up against. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)