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− (Note: The Board header diff history is accessible (from the main history).) (Board description edited by Fram ( talk), JohnBlackburne words deeds, Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk), 204.27.61.36 ( talk), Michael Unwonain ( talk), Oiyarbepsy ( talk), 31.171.249.127 ( talk), Milanarashidova3 ( talk), Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions), ZOKIDIN5 ( talk), ZOKIDIN4 ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), Anders Feder ( talk), DannyH (WMF) ( talk), EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk), — HHHIPPO, SPage (WMF) ( talk), 204.28.117.208 ( talk), Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation ( talk), Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds, Graywash ( talk), FDMS 4 , Maryana (WMF) ( talk), Jorm (WMF) ( talk), MZMcBride ( talk))
enwiki is usually earlier code than mediawiki.org , so check bugs there ( mw:Talk:Sandbox). And Flow team's test server is more bleeding-edge. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 21:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Here is another test post. Tito Dutta ( talk) 22:03, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
The point is that this doesn't tell you which one of your posts my reply relates to, as any new post of mine will always be listed at the bottom,— True. It is like email/mailing list conversation where one needs to "quote" context. Tito Dutta ( talk) 00:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Killiondude: With God, all things are possible. Remember that, please. MZMcBride ( talk) 07:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
How can I put a gallery here? Micha 21:44, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride (
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05:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Chocolate strawberries for breakfast? [1]
MZMcBride ( talk) 05:59, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride ( talk) 06:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Enough. Killiondude ( talk) 06:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page
what is this
i don't even
MZMcBride ( talk) 06:50, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride (
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07:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
, MZMcBride ( talk) 07:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this
MZMcBride ( talk) 07:11, 4 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Sitic ( talk))
I tried pasting in most of the templates in T62785, couldn't see where the duplicate ID is coming from. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 07:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing nesting KonveyorBelt 20:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
At this point, or after just one reply, the discussion becomes muddled and there is no real indication who anybody is replying to. This is VERY unintuitive and should be fixed. Especially on large boards like ANI. KonveyorBelt 20:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Am I replying to the post above ("At this point...") or the parent post? No idea! — Scott • talk 23:30, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I actually agree with Konveyor, it seems like it would get rather confusing. NativeForeigner Talk 22:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing this again Risker ( talk) 01:02, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Does this appear in recent changes? Fram ( talk) 11:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
[Subst. content removed. Let's see if this works.] ~~~~ Fram ( talk) 11:58, 5 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by postdlf ( talk))
I got an mw:Echo notification that I was mentioned here. Any idea why I got that notification? Stefan2 ( talk) 13:56, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I actually got an e-mail notification, not sure why because I never get any e-mail notifications for anything that happens at en.wiki. postdlf ( talk) 16:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
My notifications are also broken. There are plenty of other Wikimedia domains to test this that don't interfere with editor functionality and capability here.
Less seriously, no page name shows up for my comments here in my contribution history. postdlf ( talk) 16:45, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I've never been so confused. ~~~~ Honestly, the wheel on my mouse is getting hot from rolling it up and down. I have no clue where I am. ~~~~ Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 17:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I edited Fram's original post above there to remove the subst. content. But it looks like the damage has already been done to the notifications, as that is still broken for me. Let's get that fixed shortly, hmm?
Also, I cannot find a way to undo or revert my change to Fram's comment as there doesn't appear to be any history for the comment or this page as a whole even though I could edit others' comments (I could see the diff of the change I applied, but that's it). Which I hope we can all agree is completely unacceptable for a final version. Flow also did not allow me to apply a signature with tildes, and instead applied nowiki to my comment.
I honestly don't see the point of any of this Flow nonsense, even setting aside for the moment that this test has broken notifications for me and a few other editors. postdlf ( talk) 18:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Like others, I'd prefer to have my notifications back, if the current error message is related to this test. ~~~~ Charles Matthews ( talk) 18:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Stefan2, BrownHairedGirl, Postdlf We deployed a fix, can you see whether Special:Notifications works for you?
The bad notification from the large Flow post is still there, so your Echo notification counter may stick at 1. We're working on that too.
Thanks. I'll post to Wikipedia talk:Flow#Flow .2B_Echo 3D Error.3F SPage (WMF) ( talk) 00:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion
User:Fram Template loop detected: User:EngFram/sandbox
User:EngFram Fram ( talk) 20:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Nothing important, just testing something Reso lute 21:07, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Reso lute 21:25, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Test Fram ( talk) 07:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing 1 2 3 Carnildo ( talk) 01:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Erm... what? Simply south .... .. time, deparment skies for just 10 years 15:17, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
If I use a template, then the template is transcluded into this page. I presume this page is refreshed when the template is changed. Normal pages has a list in the bottom when the edit window is open. A
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testing a thing WK's Other Throwaway Account ( talk) 21:36, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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MZMcBride (
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02:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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Test comment 2 Fram ( talk) 09:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Self explanatory - and wasting half my screen space. Thanks. ukexpat ( talk) 15:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
min-width: 400px; max-width: 800px;
to determine the width overall (plus: 44px right-padding from Flow, and 24px right-padding from the site default). Hence you'll see width variations on any smaller screens (or if you resize the browser-window), but all large screens (with maximized-window) will hypothetically see the same thing (with variations for zoom, or personal CSS, or browser/OS font defaults (unless you're using the current iteration of the
Typography refresh BetaFeature, in which case it gets even more complicated!), etc).Surely that can be done by automatically adjusting to fit the screen, like any other Wikipedia page? This needs to be fixed. ukexpat ( talk) 18:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed, you ask 50 people to randomly type few letters in keyboard, they'll include "asdf" in it. Similarly, if you ask editors to make a test of something (or create a test post), they'll use the title "Test"
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Tito Dutta (
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20:09, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing again on a different computer. It does not seem to be quivering with this computer, although using the same OS, same browser (Win 7, FF 26.0), and no other obvious variables (both computers have the same add-ons and scripts). I did see it earlier today using a third computer using Win 7 and IE9. Risker ( talk) 03:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
test foo
squirrel monkey cat dog Quiddity ( talk) 21:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Also test, so much test. very test, wow. Quiddity II ( talk) 20:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
T61798 means this invocation of <categorytree> doesn't work, question is whether it messes up other JS on the page.
That may be causing T63097 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 09:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk))
The history tab doesn't seem to record posts? Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 14:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
it does apparently Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 20:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Where? I cannot see anywhere that you added that comment. Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 22:45, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Posting on Top turns talk pages upside down. Revolution! Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 20:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
It comes up in my watchlist as already viewed, even when I haven't. Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 18:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing Wikipedia_talk:Flow#How_will_we_close_discussions.3F @ Dougweller and Fram:
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
Tito Dutta ( talk) 19:16, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
That's fine then I think. Thanks very much. Doug Weller talk 06:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
blla nbdfnbndfnfg Fram ( talk) 11:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Note that the above redlink was a bluelink in preview, same problem (and cause probably) as in VisualEditor, error there noted more than 1 1/2 years ago... Fram ( talk) 12:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), epicgenius - ( talk))
test redlink and signature ~~~~ epicgenius - ( talk) 15:39, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Note: Signature doesn't work on Flow,, and neither does linking in the title. epicgenius - ( talk) 15:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Now can you figure out which of my two comments above is a reply to what, apart from the content? And if yes, can you tell me how? — HHHIPPO 21:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
testing editing Fram ( talk) 09:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Wow this is cool Kangaroo powah 19:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
I just added a comment, and what I get in my contributions is just that I "added a comment" -- not that I added it to Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page! -- and when I view the history of that page [1] I don't see it. This seems like a really fundamentally bad thing to break on a Wiki - I'm surprised you're not afraid to have these edits in the regular database at all, out of fear of breaking something.
Next up... what happens to these diffless entries when I edit a post? Answer: it gives me a contribution of "editing a comment" with a link here, and the change in size, HOWEVER, the contribution "added a comment" now points to the REVISED comment, so there's no way for anyone to see what the original comment was. That should add an element of high Wiki-drama... tell us, do the admins have some kind of secret "view the history really" function, or are they going to be going by eyewitness testimony as to who said what before they revised their nasty "personal attacks"? I see that there actually is an entry in the history I'm getting at the top for when i created the topic, though. Wnt ( talk) 19:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Breakfast has some tabs and an image at the top of the page. Where is that text coming from? Suppose you want to replace the image near the top of that page - can you do it? Perhaps one day you log in and find some wag has replaced it with a vulva. Can you tell who edited it? Wnt ( talk) 14:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Fram ( talk) 14:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
testtesttest this is cool Victor Grigas ( talk) 19:31, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello. (ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 01:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Edit comment. {{ GA icon}} Graywash ( talk) 06:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Some three quarters ago, User:Graywash edited the board header (no problem with that, it is a test page after all). While in this case, his changes are small and easy to undo manually, I wondered how one would return to the pre-changed state if the changes weren't so small or obvious.
In his contributions, I find:
06:43, 19 February 2014 . . (+1,913) . . Graywash (talk | contribs | block) edited the board header.
without a link to even what board. Totally useless (and note the completely incorrect change size).
In the page history, we have
Graywash (talk | contribs | block) edited the board header.
45 minutes ago Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:43:53 GMT
The timestamp links to the current state of the header, no indication of what was changed
The header itself only has the "edit" icon, no history button or anything.
So, how can one see what has been changed, and how can one undo these changes to get back to the exact state it was in before? Fram ( talk) 07:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
By the way, apparently one can not remove or empty a page header, even though not every page needs one. Fram ( talk) 07:33, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
So, I have now changed the header:
(Topic title edited by Smtchahal ( talk), — regards, Revi)
ABCDEFG.... ~~~~ — regards, Revi 10:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Сунприат ( talk))
Just testing comment reply, and the Hide feature (above). (Hide seems broken to me; see reply below.) -m Memetics ( talk) 15:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Fram ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), EngFram ( talk))
NSFW! File:L'atelier faiminette.ogv EngFram ( talk) 13:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
EngFram ( talk) 13:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The topic https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Flow/Developer_test_page&topic_postId=rpgca5e9yyrhoqq5&workflow=rpgca5e9yyrhoqq5 has no visible title, but when I click "edit title", the text "false" appears. This is strange... Fram ( talk) 07:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
And now the topic below suddenly had the same problem. Something going wrong with the Flow software or database? Fram ( talk) 07:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Both have the same problem as well. Fram ( talk) 07:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Indian film Nizil ( talk) 19:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Very history. Much ancestry. Wow. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 22:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page}} Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 20:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
5x expanded by Gilderien ( talk). Self nominated at 02:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC).
{{WP:Sandbox}}
Hello there Benny!.. Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 20:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
This is my first testing with flow, after reading an ongoing discussion at WT:INB. Dwaipayan ( talk) 03:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
ha ha User:Vigyani 05:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Testing flow . Looks good. One more step towards future. Need some improvements. We are having some discussion here regarding flow. You may join the discussion. Jim Carter 10:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:27, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:28, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Does this work without Javascript too? 78.35.196.38 ( talk) 14:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Add some details if you like.... User:Vigyani 05:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
What if I ~~~~ Fauzan ✆ talk ✉ mail 04:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
~~~~ Mz7 ( talk) 16:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Took me a while to find that: The timestamps of header edits in the board history lead to a permalink to a specific version of the header. The text at the top of that page, even though it looks very much like it's part of the header, contains a link to one single diff. In the current incarnation I would call that nothing more than an easter egg, but I assume it's being worked on. Btw: on the way I found these:
— HHHIPPO — HHHIPPO 08:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
I tried to preview a template in a post, but now get "An error occurred while contacting the server. " errors...
Anyway, when I have an image and a template in my post, preview no longer seems to work... Having only the image, or only the template, gives no problems. Bizarre!
{{unsourced}} Fram ( talk) 15:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
And the title of the next topic now has disappeared. This problem was noted a few weeks ago as well, doesn't seem to be improved yet. Rather disturbing that. Fram ( talk) 15:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
ĄĘĆŹ Łapiński PMG ( talk) 17:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
detale threada 217.168.136.164 ( talk) 17:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
odpowiedz na threada 217.168.136.164 ( talk) 17:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
test, sorry SPage (WMF) ( talk) 00:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Wnt ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), Thesquirrelsareattackingagain ( talk))
test foo Thesquirrelsareattackingagain ( talk) 18:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk))
This is just a test. Hi everybody. 173.164.185.245 ( talk) 21:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
r Tito Dutta ( talk) 01:57, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
~~~~ Tito Dutta ( talk) 01:57, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
NativeForeigner ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki) NativeForeigner Talk 04:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Long tail Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 17:56, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
oceans
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Proin nec nisi ac sem sollicitudin dignissim vel a neque. Mauris vulputate neque nec mauris sodales hendrerit. In commodo elit purus, nec vestibulum dui posuere quis. Aliquam imperdiet velit in urna pellentesque, et hendrerit dui ullamcorper. Nulla fermentum aliquet velit, at dapibus nunc vestibulum et. Duis nulla purus, pretium id hendrerit ut, adipiscing in arcu. Phasellus at tellus vitae dolor feugiat congue ut eget diam. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 18:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras et purus pulvinar, sagittis felis vel, ornare nisi. Pellentesque ut est nec quam auctor blandit. Etiam ac suscipit quam. Pellentesque sollicitudin, nisi nec adipiscing mattis, quam ligula ornare purus, et imperdiet risus purus sed est. Ut euismod sit amet risus sit amet consequat. Maecenas eget odio ac lectus congue aliquam at non augue. Vivamus ut nibh nulla. Cras at volutpat est. Nullam nisl ipsum, lacinia ac justo sit amet, ornare aliquet justo. Aliquam suscipit dapibus massa, vel accumsan justo consequat id. Aliquam et erat eu libero ultrices sagittis. Vivamus luctus lacus scelerisque, lobortis tellus vel, vulputate nisl. Mauris hendrerit justo ut dolor condimentum, malesuada facilisis sapien suscipit.
Proin nec nisi ac sem sollicitudin dignissim vel a neque. Mauris vulputate neque nec mauris sodales hendrerit. In commodo elit purus, nec vestibulum dui posuere quis. Aliquam imperdiet velit in urna pellentesque, et hendrerit dui ullamcorper. Nulla fermentum aliquet velit, at dapibus nunc vestibulum et. Duis nulla purus, pretium id hendrerit ut, adipiscing in arcu. Phasellus at tellus vitae dolor feugiat congue ut eget diam. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 18:07, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. I see the template code in the heading, the raw output in the 'comment on' before typing this. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:00, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Does it work in the actual content? Chinese: 不知道; pinyin: is this thing on? JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Makes for a fun way to test templates I guess. edit. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Also interesting how it looks in the history/contribution record. The template code for the post being created, the template as seen in a page, i.e. formatted with links and all HTML the template outputs, for replies. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
The problem of template output in history and contributions seems fixed. I now see the template source, which is my own fault for putting it there. But I still see the raw HTML output in this edit window before typing. JohnBlackburne words deeds 04:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Can I add a tick to my contributions? Yep that worked. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Glad to have provided an example. I had no idea what including {{ zh}} in a topic would do but it was worth trying. I was then tempted to try a template with a big image but luckily thought of {{ ok}} first. A more creative mind could have broken the page history with this. Oops I see the history is' [sic - formatting test] broken. JohnBlackburne words deeds 03:46, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Fram ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), Tito Dutta ( talk), Outriggr ( talk))
what shows in the edit summary? Outriggr ( talk) 02:35, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I guess you'll wanna fix that. Hehe. Outriggr ( talk) 02:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
That's bugzilla:64943, which has been fixed, but the patch is riding the deploy-train so probably won't arrive till Thursday. However, I'll ask if it's practical to deploy a quicker fix. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 03:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I have changed the title back, so that we can actually "see" if and when anything and/or everything is fixed. Hiding problems isn't the purpose of a test page.
And I just love to see
"[[File:X mark.svg|15px|link=|alt=]]<span style="display:none">N</span>" topic history
when you click on the history of this topic :-) Fram ( talk) 06:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
:Jay8g [? V• T• E?] 04:01, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Salix alba ( talk): 22:28, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
{{
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for example.
JohnBlackburne
words
deeds
22:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
An odd, if minor, bug: this page didn't get added to my watch list after I edited it, as other pages do. I had to manually add it. JohnBlackburne words deeds 04:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
External links in Flow posts aren't styled like they are in wiki pages ( T58756), and the Exlinks gadget doesn't work ( T67243).
Tests:
Noticed that clicking anywhere in the grey area (except the ... for the popup menu & the '1 comment', which expands the comment form) shows and hides. This is non-obvious and seems excessive. And leaves you no way to navigate to the subtopic which I was trying to do – the view I see when clicking e.g. on a link in my watchlist. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:51, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Actually it's odder than that. The comment boxes seem sticky. Expand one and it stays expanded even if you hide it's thread and expand another. It's like Facebook's annoying status box (click on that and it expands and there's no way to shrink it, you have to close/reload the page to get it back to normal, at least in my experience) JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Hey, finally the talk page flows! It almost looks like you've added https://disqus.com/ to the site! So great. Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 10:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Reported problem at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Article_feedback_.E2.86.92_Flow:
{{requested move/dated|Wikipedia:WikiProject Meals}}
Wikipedia:Flow/Developer test page → Wikipedia:WikiProject Meals – Testing problem reported at . Roan Kattouw (WMF) ( talk) 23:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Here, seems like it just appeared. Hmmm. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 02:13, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Flow, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
You may also want to take the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. You can visit The Teahouse to ask questions or seek help.
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 05:17, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Topic with just a link to Template:Rebbie Jackson Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:03, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), wbm1058 ( talk))
The notice doesn't seem to have added the page to WP:RMC within 30 mins. Nor has it been added to CAT:RM that I can see. If this isn't a test you maybe want to post the RM somewhere else so it can be properly noted, categorised etc. I don't think you're meant to sign your posts here either. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
All I did was click edit and save. This *should* be just a null edit wbm1058 ( talk) 03:23, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
This shows up as an undated, untargetted RM in the backlog.
Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Backlog ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Just look at that move request.
(Malformed move request removed)
Ouch. Eh? — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 06:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Or... wait? It works here, but not below? Odd. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 07:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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20:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)Else. [1] Edit 2. Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
So I can reply here? (edited) LukeSurl t c 09:16, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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(Topic title edited by SPage (WMF) ( talk), TheWanderer1357 ( talk))
Hello, world! TheWanderer1357 ( talk) 10:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Like Andy Capp William Avery ( talk) 20:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Wibble, wibble... William Avery ( talk) 20:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Fram ( talk) 13:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I just "thanked" you - other pages says "Do you want to thank Fram for this edit?" - but not here... Christian75 ( talk) 11:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
See above... Fram ( talk) 13:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Testing to see if I can add wiki mark-up, to demonstrate things.
Hi, to link to the article Bath with a pipe, you type [[Bath (city)|Bath]]. ~~~~ 86.129.13.205 ( talk) 17:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, and is there no way to edit comments? And no real timestamp? 86.129.13.205 ( talk) 17:17, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I am testing the flow extension to see how the User Analysis Tool will pick up Flow edits. Question for the devs to answer. These edits are not recorded on the revision table are they? — cyberpower Chat:Offline 18:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
NotADev but see your revision here and of course history. So, revisions are recorded! Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 19:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Like it does on this page for me: a left justified, far longer than it need to be, tube down the side of the page leaving half the width of the page blank? Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 04:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys! Keep up the good spirit. Even the https://disqus.com/ system has a flowing talk AND an avatar preceding the "user name", "account name", whatever, a pic of a person talking. When will that happen on WikipediA @jorm jorm? And when will visual editor ever been turned on for flow? Ok, can some one connect the dots between agile/scrum, lean-startup (Eric Reis/Steve Blank) and Effectuation Method (Saras Saravathy)? Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 10:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Ego White Tray ( talk), 46.116.179.54 ( talk))
E.g. "topics" are shown in a table, clicking a topic takes the user to a new page where all the discussion takes place. 46.116.179.54 ( talk) 08:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, the current layout is both cumbersome and unaesthetic. TheWanderer1357 ( talk) 08:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh, Clicking "small view" gives it a more forum-like style. I think "small view" should be the default. TheWanderer1357 ( talk) 08:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
In other words, I couldn't search for something because it might be on a different page. The ability to search a talk page is in my opinion vital. It's already hard enough because of the ability to collapse things. Doug Weller talk 07:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me that this is really gonna need a "report abuse" button that would bring this to attention of administrators. Once this system is used on more pages, people are certainly gonna spam it, so we need a way to get administrator's attention to it on little-used talk pages so it doesn't stay that way, unseen by someone that can fix it, forever. Ego White Tray ( talk) 01:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Why so narrow? Why not fill the entire screen width? Ego White Tray ( talk) 02:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Argh, no. Please don't turn this into what would essentially be a page with columns. Don't put stuff beside this, let us have this 3/4 width of a page. Anything you do like that is only going to make Flow look ridiculous on mobile.
Am I correct in understanding that the upgrades will not have me typing in another shade of grey?
Incidentally...that study of the great benefits of whitespace...involves 20 participants, has not been peer reviewed, has not been reproduced, and (this part is the best)...take a look at how the authors use whitespace themselves: http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/62/whitespace.htm
(Note that the samples actually only have about an inch of white space, and the purpose of the test was to demonstrate reading speed and comprehension. ) Risker ( talk) 06:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Permalink test [2]
Is there some way to have a shorter wikilink version of this? Ego White Tray ( talk) 02:05, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Please see News and Notes, at Wikipedia talk:Flow#July 10 Flow Update, for the major update coming today. Feedback there is appreciated. Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 18:43, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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But I needed to test how this would work. (I would however want the discussions/talks in "full screen". This just hurts my eyes!) ( t) Josve05a ( c) 00:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Is there any reason I am not allowed to test this? Go Phightins ! 02:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
It's been determined that Go Phightins! is allowed to test this, I didn't want to click Close Topic because I'm not sure what will happen. Will WP crash?? Really though, will topics be closeable only by admins? Topic creators? Would a creator then prematurely close a topic? cliffsteinman -- Discuss 20:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Right on! Good work so far, I'm curious to see this test page continue, mainly for dedents/outdents. Is it an automatic outdent at a certain number? cliffsteinman -- Discuss 02:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if someone already asked this (part 2), which brought me to part 1, searchable? I wanted to know if anyone mentioned archive pages for these or if the page will continue on. Also, does this module remove my ~~~~? I'm very used to signing all comments. cliffsteinman -- Discuss 20:54, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I am also wondering how flow works. :) 92.224.249.122 ( talk) 14:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Error: no text specified ( help).
Hmm.. in Firefox seems to be constrained to only two-thirds of the screen.. the whole right side of the page is blank.. zooming in and out doesn't make any difference.. why? why??! whyyyyyy œ ™ 06:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
In the Topic history and/or the main history, with Hovercards enabled in Preferences, hovering over the "Topic" link still brings up the [w:Topic Topic] disambig page.. probably shouldn't be doing that huh œ ™ 06:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
title
attribute of the link, relying on the MW linker's behavior of prepending the namespace in the title. Flow's action links have title attributes "Post", "Thank", etc. so they look like pages in the main namespace, so
T65181 won't help. Hovercards needs to examine the href of the link instead of its title to determine if it's a simple link to an article, which is
T69466.title
attribute. Actions should have proper title tooltips that provide additional information or none at all,
T71213.
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02:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)I'm into snickerdoodles. Don't make too much of this thread. I'm making some tests for development purposes. However, feel free to chime in if you like snickerdoodles too. :-) — cyberpower Chat:Offline 15:31, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I like them too and am totally not Cyberpower678 posting this. :p — cyberpower Chat:Offline 15:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't much care for snickerdoodles. 71.168.140.56 ( talk) 11:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
This should be renamed because: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 08:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
interesting 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Just testing out flow as I'm a big user of the talk-pages on my local wiki and I want to see what the new experience is like. 87.60.145.167 ( talk) 16:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Does T71987 happen here? SPage (WMF) ( talk) 20:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
It seems to be less of a problem here than on Beta labs. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 21:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
great idea! 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
agree 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
oui 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
test Orlodrim ( talk) 21:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
test2 Orlodrim ( talk) 21:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
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Yaddayaddayadda Fram ( talk) 19:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
test wdwd ( talk) 13:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
So what does bad wikitext do in the title and body? JohnBlackburne words deeds 21:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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[[Category:Wikipedia image placeholders for image namespace]] Fram ( talk) 09:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Please stop testing with "live" content that links real usernames. Lots of us are getting tired of receiving bogus notifications of being mentioned in discussions when you're just doing tests that should have been done with lorem content. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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WhathappensifIwriteonecontinuoussentencewithoutspacesIwonderifitwillcausethecontainertostretchorifthetextwillbehiddenorifitwillbewrappped. - Mr X 18:07, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This is what I think. Mr External 18:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Testing 1.24wmf19 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 23:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I got notified about this, as a message (in the popup next to my username). Not obvious why. The page is on my Watchlist so I should see activity on that. JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I was notified also. WTH? Doug Weller talk 09:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Gee thanks. Now I am permanently notified, and even after un-watching this page, I am still permanently notified. Please make the notification go away. ~~~~ wbm1058 ( talk) 11:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Hm. There was a filled star at the top of the topic. Clicking on it made it unfilled, much like the page watchlist icon. So maybe that's how/why notifications are happening, a new thread-based notification mechanism. Apologies to anyone who gets a message from this reply but if I'm right it's at least possible to stop them.
Why they started? Did someone manually add people, or is it automatic if you're also watching the page? If the latter which seems most likely it's unnecessary as the Watchlist already does that job (if imperfectly for Flow pages). JohnBlackburne words deeds 12:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Bah. It's now filled again. Replying to a thread adds me to the notification-based watchlist for that individual thread? No thanks. JohnBlackburne words deeds 12:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I see There was another notification waiting for me at Module_talk:Redirect_hatnote#Request_a_new_tracking_category because I was pinged there. But that was not showing in my new notifications. I had to open "All notifications" to see it! Then the red 1 in the box finally went away. wbm1058 ( talk) 12:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
And yea, just replying here **automatically** activates the green star? Hmmm, I'll have to chew on whether that default is actually desirable. ~~~~ wbm1058 ( talk) 12:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I got an email. I don't want to get an email, every time a topic gets created. Please kill this function with fire. — cyberpower Chat:Offline 12:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
The short-term solution is to either unwatch this page, or to toggle your settings at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo.
For next week, the devs are working on a few related bugs, particularly better bundling of topics, and bugzilla:70461 (not opening the right section of the flyout, when we just have non-Flow notifications).
Longer-term we'll probably want more options (possibly quite a few more options?), to account for the various types of people who do want notifications for discussion updates (or certain ones), as well as people who don't. There are a few threads at WT:Flow discussing this currently. But it'll inevitably take many months to hammer out details.
HTH. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
@JohnBlackburne. Calling this crap "pre-alpha software" is like calling a scratched Edison cylinder "pre-digital audio." Carrite ( talk) 23:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, there's a bug that's affecting topic pages -- the JS isn't working properly. It's working correctly on the board pages, so you can reply as usual. Sorry about the bug. We're getting a fix out as soon as we can. DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 17:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
test — xaosflux Talk 22:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, this is fixed now. Topic pages are functional again. Sorry that it happened. DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 23:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Xyz Anthonyhcole ( talk · contribs · email) 14:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
FFS. Please kill the notifications. — cyberpower Chat:Offline 14:56, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 22:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
(copied from Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax#New syntax for images)
The new syntax is backward compatible, so articles don't have to be changed.
In the syntax [[File:filename|options]]
(e.g., [[File:Westminstpalace.jpg|thumb|100px|left|alt=A large clock tower and other buildings line a great river.|The Palace of Westminster]]
shown in the left), several options can be set when including an image. Those affect the placing of the image, its size or the way the image will be presented. The options are right
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23:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)Hello all you Quiddities. DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 23:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Testing. 123. Biblio ( talk) Reform project. 19:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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I would like to see Flow enabled for Teahouse - where can I see it? Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 19:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
It will be here for some time: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Flow_test Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 21:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Apart from editing some biographies of WMF people, you hardly ever edit here (you have 18 mainspace edits in total!). You haven't edited the Teahouse in over a year. What is your sudden interest in this? It is very strange that the only one advocating to have this page is someone with WMF ties but with virtually no reason to be interested in or participating at enwiki and its Teahouse. Fram ( talk) 08:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I got a notification "I hate flow created a new topic on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page" ten minutes ago - but where is the post? (When I try to hit it, I get "Insufficient permission to access the content. Return to Main Page. [e2f632bb] 2014-09-10 10:33:31: Fatal exception of type Flow\Exception\PermissionException"
Deleted? I think its really really bad if posts are just gone without normal users can see its gone (if I didnt had the notification I wouldnt know about it).
[edit] ~~~~ I didnt add nowiki - hmm it mess with my post Christian75 ( talk) 10:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC) Christian75 ( talk) 10:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
just making sure DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 16:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
answer DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 17:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to join WT:Flow when you have a minute to spare, there are some minor issues there that might interest you, like the utter failure of Flow. Fram ( talk) 17:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 20:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I just came here by clicking on the notification about new topics in the Echo flyout, and that did mark the message as read and reset the counter. Should the header here be updated, or do other people still have that problem? Btw:
— HHHIPPO — HHHIPPO 19:37, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
?action=history
. I fixed the bad link to "main history" in the Flow board header, and my edit appears in the history, so perhaps that comment is obsolete.Can I opt in my user talk page to Flow? Perhaps you should allow any user to do this. I work with new editors quite a lot and making conversations easier would help a lot with this. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 01:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I notice that the watchlist star for a flow talk page is not next to the edit tabs like on other pages. Shouldn't it be up there like any other page? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
{{User admin}}
{{User Alternate Acct Name|EngFram}}
"I am not, ocntrary [ sic] to the false headline, engaged in any search." ( "Jimmy Wales" in a comment to the ITpro article [3])
In reality though:
"I looked for a couple of variant spellings and found nothing, so I asked to see if others could find anything." (a post by User:Jimbo Wales [4] on his talk page, after he had been warned about the potential of violating outing in that thread)
Still, in his own opinion (On Slashdot), "My actions at Wikipedia around this were perfectly honorable and noble and did not violate any rules of any kind." YMMV...
Like the Signpost said: "According to Der Spiegel, Wales told them it was the community that had asked questions about Snowden's activities on Wikipedia, while he himself had warned against an outing – a statement that seems hard to reconcile with the discussions that took place on his talk page and at the administrators' noticeboard."
From an article I recently edited; "Getting to [...] is very easy. One can hire a taxi, mini bus, auto rickshaw or a metro taxi from anywhere in the city to reach there." Well duh :-D Fram ( talk) 06:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
It's roughly 40% of the way across the top (tab) level of the screen for me, outside the "page box". I had Twinkle turned on and it overlapped the twinkle tabs, and remains in the same place now that I have turned twinkle off. An inflexibly located symbol is not an appropriate replacement for watch/unwatch tab. First off, the default should always be words, with the option of going to symbols (haven't we learned that from VE?). Secondly the fact that it doesn't move depending on what other tabs exist is always a problem; it needs to interact appropriately with other tabs. Where's my delete button? It needs to be there. Risker ( talk) 15:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Ummm...so I edited the message above. and weirdly, the "Edited xx seconds ago" went to a negative number. That should never happen, should it? Risker ( talk) 15:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Wow, you're right, Fram. When I typed the original response out, that is where I thought I was putting it, but I was doing so from the "whole" page... Risker ( talk) 03:07, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Swarm ♠, Oiyarbepsy ( talk))
I just tested editing the header and noticed that there doesn't seem to be a way to enter edit summaries. This seems like a necessary thing to me. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Interesting - I just told Twinkle to nominate this for speedy delete (no serious, just testing), and nothing's here. Twinkle, however, didn't seem to notice that it didn't work. I apologize to the WMF employee who might have gotten the warning. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 21:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually it did work. You just can't see it. Believe it or not, if my understanding of Flow is correct, there is wikicode here, but Flow is covering all of it up. — cyberpower Chat:Offline 02:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Just a test Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Getting pinged automatically is awesome, isn't it? Carrite ( talk) 23:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
It's quite nice. I know when someone responded to me and they know that I responded to them without having to use that stupid template. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 05:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
This software is non-intuitive garbage, plain and simple. If it is meant to simplify the talk page process for newcomers it fails. If it is meant to organize and archive serious discussions for veteran volunteers, it fails miserably. ~~~~ Carrite ( talk) 06:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
In the last discussion I placed the link Topic:S2jtnhujc0f480sf#flow-post-s2mph1a7euzh0nus. I see a future issue with how this is done. I was also thinking of splitting off a portion of the topic, although this isn't supported yet. Anyways, if I had done that, it would have moved those posts into a new topic, and I suspect it would have broken that link. I think that each individual post needs a topic link and that #-sign links shouldn't be part of the linking system. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
{{topic:S2mti8w8pww07s5t}}
would save as [[topic:S2mti8w8pww07s5t|Adjustment might be needed to Topic links (on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page)]]
, or something similar?I agree that the current solutions are not optimal, Flow links because they're not human-readable and wikilinks because they're not permanent. The amazon model is interesting, but somehow just an ugly way of piping. It doesn't protect you from offensive content since the poster might hide it behind a nice, made-up topic title, which is ignored by the software.
How about this: we use the Flow links we have now, but teach the software to display them using the current topic title instead of the ID, some kind of implicit piping. — HHHIPPO 20:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
the alternative idea of "Topic:Human readable name (n)"is to skip the UUID in the URL/wikilink (please confirm).
It would be good if a topic like this one could be collapsed (NOT hidden or whatever), so that when you scroll the whole page, you see only the title and summary, and can open it with a single click; while leaving at the same time open discussions, well, open. "Locked" is not the same as this, it may have been intended as a replacement (or perhaps "hidden" was intended as the replacement?) but it works differently and more aggressively. Fram ( talk) 07:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
It would be helpful to have the Topic link printed in the header of each post. Right now, if I want to link to a topic on the screen while typing a post, the only way is to open a topic (that I'm staring at) in a new tab and then copy the link from the URL. I would like to see the Topic link on the screen, next to the menu button, so I could simply copy and paste it while writing a post. Thank you Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Why would you want a post to link to its own topic? When is that ever useful? Or why is it so often useful that it needs to be a permanent fixture of the header? You are already in a topic when you read a post... How often do current talk discussions include a link to the very same section? Fram ( talk) 14:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
lorem ipsum Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 17:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
qqqqq EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk) 17:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Now is the time Deltahedron ( talk) 18:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Konnichiwa to the world. Taku ( talk) 11:30, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
See here: User:Oiyarbepsy/flow redirect test Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 18:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, T71320. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 18:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
And redirects from Flow pages don't work (i.e. change the header to a redirect, doesn't work). So any page that was Flow enabled and needs to be turned into a redirect for some reason (e.g. user renames) will have a problem. Fram ( talk) 07:53, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
When you start a new topic, you have the cursor in the title box. You type your text, and you can't do anything. Only when you type in the box below as well appear the "preview" and "add topic" buttons. It is not clear to new editors that they need to put something in both boxes (only a text and no title also doesn't work) Fram ( talk) 06:58, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
And then getting two lines in your watchlist, which is set to "hide my edits" anyway, is not helpful either. Fram ( talk) 07:01, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
The "hide my edits" bug is now filed as bugzilla:71138. Thanks.
Re: not being clear that something needs to be put in both boxes, is there anything you'd suggest? (The only standard I can think of, is the old * (red asterisk) next to each required box) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 00:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Taku ( talk) 14:48, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Oiyarbepsy ( talk), Fram ( talk))
Test Fram ( talk) 07:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there a version that only admins could unlock? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
We renamed "Close" to "Lock" because people were Closing topics when really they could just Summarize them. Lock is tied to Summarize in that when you lock a topic (so people can't add replies), you probably want to provide a summary of the topic with an {{answered}}, {{complete}}, etc. template.
Lock/unlock is a permission like others, wikis can decide who gets the right. Again, try using a template like {{ done}} in the topic summary instead. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 23:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so I'm testing this right now, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong ... since I'm trying to edit a related template. This new "Topic" namespace ... it's not going to have talk pages or the ability to use an actual "edit" function? Also, can the actual "Topic" page be added to the watchlist, or is that exclusive to individual topics on the "Topic" page? Steel1943 ( talk) 13:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
...and now, it looks like these "Topic:" namespace pages are watchlisted by the star in the top right corner of the individual topic. Odd. Steel1943 ( talk) 13:57, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The history for this page only goes back to September 5 and there is no older history button. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 16:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, this has been notde months ago but not corrected yet, Flow history pages everywhere only display X hundred edits and then end. Apparently pagination is needed but hard to implement (or very low priority) Fram ( talk) 07:35, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Adding a comment to a topic with a suppressed comment Deltahedron ( talk) 20:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it normal for a user to be notified when suppressed? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 23:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Oiyarbepsy ( talk), Deltahedron ( talk))
Long title test Deltahedron ( talk) 19:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, umm, maybe the name needs to be cut off with ... added when collapsed. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:34, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
And the cutoff name needs to be used on the watchlist too. Deltahedron just made a huge mess of my watchlist with this :P Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
The current byte limit in Flow titles is 260bytes.
The current byte limit in the titles of the "New section" function for Talkpages, is 250bytes.
So, whilst Flow should allow 10 characters less, the normal talkpages also allow very long headings, and will similarly mess up a watchlist if one adds a string without any spaces. See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Quiddity_%28WMF%29/sandbox&action=history for example.
Hence, not a flow-specific bug. :) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 02:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk), Deltahedron ( talk))
template test Deltahedron ( talk) 19:02, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Deltahedron ( talk) 19:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
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(Topic title edited by SPage (WMF) ( talk), Oiyarbepsy ( talk), 198.73.209.2 ( talk))
I heard it's flat. 198.73.209.2 ( talk) 00:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Despite Flat Earth Society, it is widespread knowledge that the earth is a sphere since the Middle Ages. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 00:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
How about "discussion closed" instead of "discussion locked"? We use "closed" for all our existing processes. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
foo Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 01:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
So, categories don't seem to work - I edited the header to add this page to Category:Wikipedia Flow, purged the category, and it's not there. Could be server lag, but I suspect it's just something not implemented yet. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, T62510 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 19:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I notice that when I start a new topic is appears on my watchlist as two different edits. At least I think that's what's happening. What's going on here? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:55, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
@ SPage (WMF): Regarding this topic: My intuition disagrees with yours on what "locking" symbolizes:
I think to cover all use cases, these three concepts should be independent of each other: closing should indicate the end of a discussion, without enforcing that (like hatting on wikitext talk pages). Locking should put technical obstacles in the way of submitting further comments, like the need for unlocking before posting, with the option to require certain user rights for unlocking. Summarizing should just create a topic header that goes beyond the topic title (and could then probably benefit from a better name).
Apart from that, I don't get why you guys portray the properties "round" and "flat" as mutually exclusive: common knowledge tells me that you as people interested in software development should be very familiar with items that are both flat and round ;-) — HHHIPPO 20:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
The way I see it, "lock" should be an admin-only right, with only admins able to lock and only admins able to unlock. This would be the practice for articles for deletion and other time-limited discussions - and might occasionally be needed temporarily to prevent misconduct, so there would need to be a time-limited option like for page protection (locked for the next 3 days and such)
A weaker "close" option should be available to all editors, and unclosable by all editors, no time limits required.
Hide is good as is, and is handy for off-topic posts. If a series of posts is off-topic, you could split it off in a new topic and then hide that, with the hide summary of off-topic. The split topic could instead be moved to another talk page if appropriate there. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:37, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Scanning for topics of interest is much harder than with the current Talk page format. Thus it's really important to have a table of contents. Are there plans to have TOC for Flow pages? If so, could you implement it here so we can see what it looks like? Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 22:43, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Regular text Small text Big text Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:55, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Test new post metadata Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 20:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
The title says it all 65.175.250.58 ( talk) 09:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
That is what the Wiki Foundation plans, after a lot more development work, of course. I would assume that once they implement it everywhere, it will simply be called "talk" and the flow name will be mostly dropped. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:19, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The reasion I say they are parsing expression grammars, is simply that when you write a grammar rule it is executed in the order you write it. In the meta language a parsing rule is a conditional expression. You as the compiler writer control the order of parsing. If you write as one would in bnf it wont work. For example the following left recursive rule:
expr = expr | expr '+' term;
will be an infinite loop. Rules are made up of tests and control structures with occasional calls to code productions. A rule is a test, a function that return success or failure. As a programmer you are programming tests against the input stream. And like most programming languages it does exactly what you tell it to do. That may not be what you intended. For illustration say we compile expr above, as a meta compiler would do, to C++ naked asm function. It would generate code (not the comments) exactly following the rule testing sequance as written. (inside _asm{} C++ // commenting is used for better explanaton)
static char plus_OPR[] = "+"; __declspec(naked) void expr () { _asm { // = expr | expr '+' term; call expr // expr <<<<<<======== Bad news here. je l2 call expr // | expr jne l2 push offset plus_OPR // '+' call _CmpStr jne l2 call term // term l2: ret // ; }} // Hand compile time as fast as I could type it. Extra time for comments!!
In the above example generated code the first thing expr does is call it's self a never ending recursive loop. Not really as it would quickly run out of stack and generate an exception. This specific blunder can easily be detected at compile time. These language do not interpret your intentions. The simply and rightfully compile the expression as written. The programmer decide how the source is to be parsed. Right or wrong.
The programmer has control of the parsing order. expr in CWIC would be written as:
expr = term (('+':ADD|'-':SUB) expr !2 |.empty);
The :ADD, :SUB and !2 are tree generation elements of CWIC. Above expr is defined as a term followed by a plus or minus term or just a term by the empty alternate. After recognizing term. The parser function then looks for a (+|-) The grouping says that if neither a + or - is recognized the .empty alternate is taken. .empty is always successful, allowing a single term to be recognized. But if a + or - is recognized a turm must follow. If the second term is not recognized it would be a backtrack failure. Not only would term fail but all rules back to a back track point. Probably the whole statement containing the error-ed expression.
Generating:
__declspec(naked) void expr () { _asm { // = (('+':ADD|'-':SUB) expr !2 |.empty); call term // = term je l2 // succes | failure retuned in processor status z flag l1: ret // returns failure l2: push offset plus_OPR // (('+' call _CmpStr // matchs a string skiping white space jne l3 push offser ADD_Node // :ADD jmp l5 l3: push offset dash_OPR // | '-' call _CmpStr // je l4 cmp al,al ret // return success l4: push offser ADD_Node // :SUB l5: call _node call expr // expr) je l6 mov esp,ebp // long backtrack fail ret // return l6: mov ecx,2 jmp _tree // !2 }}// With all the generated tags l1: l2: etc this took a bit longer aa I was trying to make it readable.
The right recursion generates a right handed tree. Given a+b-c would produce: ADD[a,SUB[b,c]]
ADD / \ a SUB / \ b c
It can be written to generate a left handed tree using the zero or more $ operator:
expr = term $(('+':ADD|'-':SUB) term !2);
Given the same expression a+b-c would generate a left handed tree, SUB[ADD[a,b],c]
SUB / \ ADD c / \ a b
Both of the above generate a tree. The programmer has program control parsing and production. A list can be generated of desired:
expr = <term $(('+'|'-':MNS) term !1)>:SUM!1;
Produces:
SUM[[a,b,MNS[c]]] SUM | [ ] / | \ a b MNS | b
Concerning the "meta compiler" I think that because their documentation describes the parser language as bnf like has confused the issue. I have been using these meta compiler concepts for a lot of years. Never used yacc. Why would I. It's primitive. The first compiler I wrote, based on CWIC (Compiler for Writing and Implementing Compilers), was SLIC (System of Languages for Writing Compiler) which I extended adding languages to do in sequence optimizations and produce code for any computer. Other compilers I worked on were implemented in PASCAL and or assembly on a early micro computers. A lot of concepts I used writing compilers in PASCAL were from my experience with SLIC. That brings me to my point. Everybody I know, that has used one of the meta compilers, has worked on them. That's the nature of these beasts. That makes for possible conflict of interest to be raised. I think that the compiler technology should not be lost. The secret classification that was slapper on CWIC by the U.S. government in the early 70s probably is the reason this technology isn't known well today.
The meta compiler do not use a contest free grammer. The programmer had control. The grammer is a recursive decent LR grammar.
As an example here is an example of the meta description of a meta compiler. Meta compilers are recursive decent top down compilers. There is a top level driving rule. In the following example program is that top rule. This is no different then main in c or C++. Here program is equivalent to main.
/* CC (COMPILER COMPILERS) Mine compiler driver starts with Program. */ program = $ declarations; declarations = "#" dirictive | comment | global DECLAR(*1) |(id (grammar PARSER(*1) | sequencer GENERATOR(*1) | optimizer ISO(*1) | pseudo_op PRODUCTION(*1) | emitor_op MACHOP(*1))) || ERRORX("!Grammer error") garbol); grammar = ( ':' class :CLASS // parse character class rule | ".." token :TOKEN // parse token rule | "==" grammar :BCKTRAK // parse a ankered grammar rule | '=' grammar :GRAMMAR // this grammar can long fail. )';'!2 // Combine name and rule tree $(-break -"/*" .any);
-- Fram ( talk) 13:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I see scroll bars on mine; should probably make use of the empty space I have to the right of this Pizza1016 ( talk | contribs) 13:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Yep. That needs to be fixed. The way Flow reacts to resizing the browser window or the font doesn't help either. There should be at least an option to use all the available horizontal space in such cases.
I don't get the point of the vertical scroll bar at all. My browser has one already, and I use it a lot on Flow boards... — HHHIPPO 13:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Interesting, my experience is different than everyone else's. I don't see a horizontal scroll bar at all, just a vertical one. What does need to be eliminated, in my opinion, is to not have scroll bars within scroll bars, which causes problems for those using mouses or trackpads to scroll. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Bug-wise:
Design-wise:
Follow these steps: 1) Go to a flow page 2) Click to switch to a topics-only or small topics view 3) Pick a topic and follow the permalink.
The topic page will be on the topics-only view and you will not be able to expand it. MacOS 10.7 with latest version of Chrome. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 07:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Modified test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Separate post in topic Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:23, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
{{afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=We are much better off without this}}
{{subst:#ifeq:{{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}|0|2}}|PageName||
}}
We are much better off without this Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Needless to say, we will need to re-write our templates for this to work Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
{{uw-vandal1}} Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 06:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Actually, they need to change the template code so that substituting works. Those templates above should never appear as template code and should always appear expanded. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Note, these pages (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Page) are not in a talk namespace (it's more of a process than an unstructured discussion). Even when Flow is ready to roll out more widely to talk pages, I don't think it will include such non-talk pages at that stage. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:59, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, they're not talk pages only on a technicality, so they have to be rolled out eventually. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
While designing Flow, we've looked at eventually supporting dedicated workflows beyond basic discussion. The idea of workflows is that they would include custom processes, not simply the same kind of Flow threads as everywhere else.
Deletion discussions are mentioned explicitly as a use case for Flow, and it may be one of those workflows.
However, we're not at that stage yet. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 23:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Vanjagenije (talk), Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying, Quiddity (WMF) ( talk))
clouds Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:04, 28 October 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying)
Clouds are evil Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 07:34, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Which clouds? Vanjagenije (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Lorem ipsum -Fimatic ( talk | contribs) 01:44, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I flow. Prototime ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ – Prototime ( talk · contribs) 17:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The timestamp is merely "active 2 minutes ago" and "edited 2 minutes ago"? No bueno. From the below topics, it looks like conversations eventually obtain an actual timestamp, but I'd prefer that right away, with any "x minutes ago" or x weeks ago" message being supplementary. – Prototime ( talk · contribs) 17:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
If you hover over the 'x minutes ago' you get an actual timestamp, and ISTR that which shows may be made into a preference, or at least that's a planned feature addition. JohnBlackburne words deeds 17:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I just edited this comment. CamelCase ( Talk | Contribs) 03:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Why does this say I made this comment 45 years ago? CamelCase ( Talk | Contribs) 03:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Fixed now. CamelCase ( Talk | Contribs) 03:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Comment -Fimatic ( talk | contribs) 15:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
test Hinmatóowyalahtqit ( talk) 11:56, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Creating a top level node; so of course it's named after the hand in the Adams Family MadScientistX11 ( talk) 00:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Oiyarbepsy, is it possible to point out the aspects of the article that come across as 'promo-y'? (I've read the guidelines and I was warned pretty strongly against promotional edits by the Wikipedian who gave me a brief talk on Wikipedia & its' aims, I obsessed for quite a while before I uploaded this version, I considered that upcoming dates would be an issue...is that it?) OsizUrUnkle ( talk) 16:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Actually in hindsight I shouldn't have got most of my info from press releases...I've tried to do some damage control now, I hope it's better OsizUrUnkle ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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User talk:Oiyarbepsy/December 2014 (1)
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I guess this (and the thread below (as I write)) counts as a mis-use of Flow. It looks like two contributions, has two sigs, but also has a Flow user 'sig' and time stamp, but only one. It took me a few seconds looking at it to realise all that, but I that's as I'm used to looking at threaded conversations like that copied so it looks very natural. If Flow is ever rolled out probably guidelines will be needed on how to best quote/copy old style threads so it's clear they are quotes/copies. JohnBlackburne words deeds 03:14, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes it is a misuse - I created both Topic so I could create a mock-up of an idea I have. Feel free to completely disregard. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 03:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Just testing 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
This lasted very long. 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
How can I replay to level 2 comment? 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that when you add the title of a book, film, album, magazine, or TV series to an article, it should be italicized by adding two single apostrophes on either side ('' ''). Titles of television episodes, short stories and songs should be placed within quotation marks. More detail can be found in the
Wikipedia Manual of Style. Thank you.
Vanjagenije
(talk)
00:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that when you add the title of a book, film, album, magazine, or TV series to an article, it should be italicized by adding two single apostrophes on either side ('' ''). Titles of television episodes, short stories and songs should be placed within quotation marks. More detail can be found in the
Wikipedia Manual of Style. Thank you.
Vanjagenije
(talk)
01:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Does tex work? Testing: 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:50, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
fruit everywhere. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 17:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Just tried replying with {{banana}} and get an error:
A remarkably low limit. Editors often e.g. copy and paste chunks of pages or discussions onto talk pages which can easily be larger than that. JohnBlackburne words deeds 18:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, apples. Quiddity II ( talk) 19:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Another test. 69.105.137.146 ( talk) 10:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
This is another test, also of mathematics. 69.105.137.146 ( talk) 10:08, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
<math>x=y+z+\int_0^1 t \, dt</math>
phab:T78725 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 23:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 14:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors}}
Requests | Drives | Blitzes | Mailing list | Newsletters |
Template:/Left panel | Template:/Right panel |
[[Category:Wikipedia copy editing]] [[Category:Wikipedia WikiProjects|Guild]] [[Category:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors| ]] Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 14:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
{{GOCE award|award=articles|place=2|number=32}} Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 17:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
{{User:Quiddity (WMF)/sandbox2|article=test}} Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:27, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
{{User:Quiddity (WMF)/sandbox|article=test}}
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Hi S8tlwqzsjokxw2ay, I've begun working on the copy-edit you requested at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page for the article test. Please feel free to contact me and to correct or revert my edits if necessary. |
Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:50, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
This is good to see. I got it pointed out to me ironically after I tried to improve the top of the Evolution page by pointing out that evolution is not strictly a biological process. Well, to make a long story short, that didn't go over so well, I ended up banned for a few days, and the page (and it's disambiguation page) continue to evolve... in spite of not being biological. Just like this project is obviously doing. :) Keep up the good work. DonaldKronos ( talk) 18:54, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello, fellow editors testing Flow! MJ94 ( talk) 06:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Test Test! Sbaghdady ( talk) 14:17, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Tony Tan · talk, Sbaghdady ( talk))
Just another topic for testing Sbaghdady ( talk) 14:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Test reply
Edit: test Sbaghdady ( talk) 14:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Yep. That worked too. :) DonaldKronos ( talk) 14:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Risker ( talk), Pizza1016 ( talk | contribs))
Wonderful testing Pizza1016 ( talk | contribs) 03:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
does it really work? DF5GO • ☎ • 16:01, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
... Tony Tan · talk 20:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by 87.151.41.17 ( talk), — RHaworth ( talk · contribs))
A disruptive editor has moved Kuttiattoor Thittayil Sree Daivathar Temple to Topic:Kuttiattoor Thittayil Sree Daivathar Temple. But there seems to be no way of moving it back!
Clearly a block must be placed immediately on moving stuff into the topic: namespace. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 22:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
It's up for deletion, and will hopefully be speedied: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kuttiattoor Thittayil Sree Daivathar Temple (2nd nomination). Hopefully the closing admin will be able to delete it despite its location. Agree though being able to move stuff into and out of this namespace should not be possible. Either that or make it work both ways so disruptive or accidental moves can be undone, but that's probably much more work. JohnBlackburne words deeds 22:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the AfD was only started today and it is supposed to run for a week during which time people look at the article and contribute to the AfD discussion. Also if the decision is to delete, the deleted edits should be visible to admins, preferably on the right title. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 22:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
@ Quiddity (WMF): We need a WMF developer to fix this. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Thinking a little more long-term than this current crisis:
This isn't the first time Topic namespace has caused problems. See Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 14#Move not listed in the logs?, where we have an article about a journal whose title begins with "Topic:".
The answer is that Flow needs to be changed so that all Topic pages, whether having discussions or not, can have wikitext headers, that can be placed by any Wikipedia editor (unless, of course, an admin protects it). This would allow the article on the journal to have a link pointing to its current title, and would allow the Daivathar article to be recovered, by copy and paste if necessary. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 23:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm having trouble to access this page from phone. It is totally not working in Wikipedia app (android). Jim Carter 09:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
This is more testing. Hello World! Tony Tan · talk 20:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I am the Gotham .I have one model [R.m.s of model of atom] 59.97.40.151 ( talk) 09:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by JohnBlackburne words deeds, pablo, Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk))
Test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 01:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
(Changed back to normal size after screenshots were taken showing problem). Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
It works but it's rather large. Something like this would be better. JohnBlackburne words deeds 22:01, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
And this is another reason why paths need fixing in Flow. Anyone looking at 'what links here' for this image now sees the utterly confusing "Topic:Sdf3qvfyxvn5r4lo", with no indication of the thread title, page title or even what namespace it's in. JohnBlackburne words deeds 22:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
other thing
Hey I can edit posts (thanks EBernhardson)! EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk) 00:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC) (Edited by -24 Talk)
aaaaaa EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk) 00:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Everything I say is true! [2]
Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 01:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
We do not have an article on Barack Obama, the 44th president of the United States. A glaring omission if you ask me!
(This is a test for a potential use case of Flow as a means of requesting the creation of new articles. Let's see this works.) Harej ( talk) 20:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Error: no text specified ( help).
This should go in the Xn category. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 20:33, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Seems to be working. It lists the topic not the page though. This is a major break from how categories normally work, by page. Talk pages for example are usually in talk page + project categories. Anyway wonder what happens if I add another with a key?
[[Category:X1|大家好]] JohnBlackburne words deeds 20:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
More observations. Summary changes don't appear in the history. If summaries do anything meaningful such as add to categories, or probably even if they don't, they need to be listed in the history. Also I mistakenly used 'Z1' not 'X1' the first time I tried adding another cat to the summary. Oddly both are now listed. And if I hover over 'Z1' I see this listed as 'Topic:Selbmxmvhx79462g' in popups. JohnBlackburne words deeds 20:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for all the great feedback. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 22:47, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Blah blah blah Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Blah again Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
More blah Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
This is something I've often wanted to do on wikitalk pages, but then you can't see where one post ends and the next begins, so I've felt forced to indent when it wasn't really necessary. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
The most complicated talk page I've ever seen is the one at Phineas Gage. How would Flow cope with that beast? (I would link to the page, but there are no tools here to add a link. I suppose I could use wikitext markup, but that would be so retro. Oh, go on then, here it is Talk:Phineas Gage ) Talk to SageGreenRider 02:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
All Flow pages have a header section (like at the top of this one), so all that yellow stuff at the top would go in there. Since all wikitext is supported, collapsing a large chunk of content is easy using the templates we have. The Lock Topic option could be used to collapse a series of posts, as was done several times on that talk page. The big thing missing at the moment is sub-headings. I don't know if they're planning on adding this, but it's hard to imagine how it can happen on some of our pages without it. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Talk to SageGreenRider 17:26, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Often when I navigate to this page it's to a topic: that's just what I see in my talk page and I follow the link, read what's there, then use the 'up' link at the top of the page to go up a level to the whole talk page. But then how do I do the opposite? I can use back for the topic I've come from but there's no link to it, nor to any other topic.
Also while here, there's no obvious hide/collapse link, as you see on some forums (reddit for example). The ... has a 'hide' option but that's both non-obvious and an extra click. With all this white space it should be possible to add a link, so you can e.g. go down the topics clicking to hide/minimise them as you go. Again see Reddit where sub-threads within topics can become arbitrarily big so being able to hide them saves a lot of scrolling. JohnBlackburne words deeds 02:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
And Hide doesn't mean to temporarily hide it from yourself, it removes it from the discussion from everybody, unless someone restores it. Think if hide as being like revert, so you'd use hide to remove spam and other inappropriate content. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't know. And yes that works as you describe – see above. What it needs is a way to collapse a thread, temporarily and personally, i.e. just for yourself while reading, to save scrolling. JohnBlackburne words deeds 15:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, you used to be able to click on the title and shrink it. I guess they changed that? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it was disabled when the table of contents was introduced. Supposedly no longer needed, but I would still like to have it. Ways to collapse a part of a topic I suggested a long time ago, never got any reply.
Btw: The text indicating a hidden comment is, err, suboptimal: "This comment..." what comment? The one above, the one below, a different one that we don't see? Probably the latter, but it doesn't make sense to use "this" to refer to something that's not there.
What's the rationale for mentioning the hiding editor here, rather than just in the history? Why not just "1 hidden comment (history)" ?
And while we're at it: "Wikitext uses markup." If I don't know that, then I don't know what wikitext is, so this sentence is either redundant or meaningless for anybody who reads it. A useful bit of information would be the fact that Flow uses wikitext (or something similar), but that's not said here.
Hmm. Didn't we have a preview button?
Is it a good idea to use the same label for a button that starts a reply (looks like a greyed out link, but works like a button), and for the one that submits the reply? To which of those does the license notice refer? — HHHIPPO 23:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Hippo, I don't see any confusion about the hidden comment notice. It's pretty obvious to me that the hidden comment was right where the note is now. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 01:05, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me then. Of course I know what it means but I don't find it obvious at all for someone who doesn't. Anyway, this detail should have low priority. I still hope we'll get a way to collapse sub-threads while reading without hiding them for others, and also better visual clues that make the new indentation system more intuitive and less ambiguous. Any of those changes will likely involve a redesign of the hidden comment notice anyway, so we can discuss it then. — HHHIPPO 14:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
As the heading says, if you try using Browse topics to jump to an old enough topic nothing happens. There's no indication of the cut off in the list, and the link that appears in the status bar is "Run script "void(0);" so no help at all. JohnBlackburne words deeds 17:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi all. Investigation is ongoing into a data-loss that was reported yesterday ( phab:T95580), which seems to have been caused by a maintenance script updating the database. This affects all topic titles and post contents on this board prior to 11 February 2015. The Operations team is currently assisting with data-recovery from backups. We'll post more information here when we have it. We apologize for not having full information for you right now. Post here if you have any questions; we'll keep this Topic updated when we know more. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 02:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: The developers have a plan for recovery. They're going to talk to a few more members of the Operations team, to confirm the exact details, and various options, before proceeding. That is estimated to be Monday at this point, due to various people being away for the weekend. For the current discussions, please continue as normal! I'll update this topic again, when we have more information. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 04:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello! I'm happy to say that all of the data has been restored, so all of the old conversations on this page are back where they belong. We've fixed the problem that allowed the data loss to happen, so it won't happen again. Thanks for your patience, and let me know if you have any questions! DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 18:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Cool thanks (testing the new indentation) JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Whenever I click a link on this page a Infobox appears asking wether I am sure I wish to leave the page since I have umcommited data even though I have not used the keyboard.
Data error on leaving comment. Comment was made on 16.04.2015, not 01.01.1970. Arcudaki ( talk) 11:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Some kind of markup language in subtitle visible. Arcudaki ( talk) 11:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Date error appears to be 45 years old: [7] Arcudaki ( talk) 11:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure they're gonna need details on your system and browser, since I'm seeing proper dates and no markup. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 12:56, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Testing Reply to reproduce wrong time. Arcudaki ( talk) 12:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
There you go:
Happens after posting a reply. Arcudaki ( talk) 12:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Again, post your browser and OS, cause I'm not seeing it. The developers need as many details as possible to fix bugs. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 16:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
The first bug (Leaving page confirmation) is Internet Explorer specific: [phab:T95909]]. -- If you're not using IE, please leave a note here or at phab:T72586 with details on your Operating System and browser (+version).
The second ("45 years ago)" should be fixed (but the fix isn't rolled out to here until next week) per phab:T92917.
Thanks for the reports. :-) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Testing effect of F5 192.166.53.199 ( talk) 12:21, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Large timelap between click on button and button disabeling. Check wether the after click image should be fetched earlier. 192.166.53.199 ( talk) 12:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Origianl post shows correct time. Reply post shows "45 years ago". Has the fix for IE been deployed ? 192.166.53.199 ( talk) 12:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
replied 2003:70:CE14:D30C:45C3:F41F:8729:79B5 ( talk) 21:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Origamite ⓣ ⓒ, 115.64.79.207 ( talk))
I really don't, but I'm willing to test it. Reply Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 01:20, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Reply to this
Origamite
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So this indents it, right? Does the username really have to be on top, instead of on the end of the message? Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 01:22, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
It only indents if you reply to something in the middle - that is, it only indents if it truly needs to indent. So, when you read it, a discussion between two users naturally reads as a conversation. A reply placed in the middle will indent, as I'll demonstrate in a second.
Testing what happens when I change someone else's post (this sentence added by SV).
flow-edit-post
) flag, which is currently given by default (on all wikis) to autoconfirmed+ (per
Special:ListGroupRights) and also if it's your own post for registered-but-not-autoconfirmed editors (per
phab:T90670).I guess, but sometimes I want to go off on a slight tangent, even though I know that other editors will be responding to the topic full-on. That's a good time to use end-of-conversation indentation, I think. Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 01:33, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
I really like the new indentation method, as one of those editors occasionally dealing with the question "now, at six levels of indentation, do I add another or use {{ od}} ?". Probably though it would not be too hard to get it introduced to existing talk pages, given enough time. Already it sort of exists in places like AfD discussions where editors post !votes and comments in order, only sometimes replying to an earlier contribution. Enough editors are fed up with the current approach, which is only a convention, to try something new I think. JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:15, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Are the blue-line indents meant to show what's new since the last time I opened the page? That's a feature I do like. Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 03:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
You see a blue/green line next to a post if you follow a link directly to a post: any of the links labelled 'comment' in the topic history. So an improvement over traditional talk pages which only take you to the section within the talk page (if it works as numerous things can break it). JohnBlackburne words deeds 19:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC) (Edited by Oiyarbepsy ( talk), Peter Damian ( talk))
That is a nice improvement; it's helpful when I'm getting linked from the alert. (Also, why does Flow have to look the same as a ping when I first log on? It's a bit nerve-wracking, only to find a glorified watchlist-entry.) Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 23:19, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
That is on the list of things being worked on in the notification system, i.e. Echo. See Phabricator T57359.
And you can disable the notifications for Flow if you want, and just have them e.g. for direct mentions, at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:24, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
And how do we 'diff' to someone's edit? You can only do it via the contribution history, AFAICS https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Topic:Sged8wqztnvjzv56&topic_postId=sgr4ljbemzhg5h5w&topic_revId=sgr4ljbemzhg5h5w&action=single-view Peter Damian ( talk) 18:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, that'll end the use of Special:Diff/1234567890. Don't think that's a good idea, but...I link through URLs generally anyways. Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 22:32, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Thought I'd add this to my watchlist to see how watchlisting works with Flow. It popped up with a message "You've subscribed to this discussion board!" This language only reinforces the view that WMF is trying to turn Talk pages into generic social media "discussion boards" and has no clue (or simply doesn't care) about the purpose of Wikipedia Talk pages. That may not have been your intent, but words matter. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 17:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
What are you talking about ? Facebook calls things either a discussion forum OR a message board... If anything your reaction shows how prejudiced people are about any improvements that the WMF is trying to make for all of us. Have you ever considered that no one in the whole wide world understands what a 'watch list' is ? Language is indeed REALLY important, and this shows that the WMF understands that.
Just because social media is so central and visible on so many different fronts doesn't make everything that uses HTML and/or Javascript 'social'. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Many of the Talk pages on articles that I edit say at the top "This is not a forum for general discussion about (the topic)." Use of the term "discussion boards" implies WMF wants to change that emphasis. You may consider that an improvement, but I'm not altogether convinced.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand the point of your comments about HTML and Javascript. (FWIW I've been writing HTML for many, many years, though I've never had any need for Javascript.) Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 18:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I support using the word "subscribe" since, unlike watchlist, people outside Wikipedia actually knows what it means. "Subscribed to this talk page topic" might be better, perhaps. And while our talk pages are not forums for discussion about the topic, they are forums for discussion about the article, so either way they are still forums, even if we use a different name than the rest of the web. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 21:15, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Using "subscribe" is a good idea. I doubt many people would insist on keeping the Wikispeak "watchlist" instead.
The concern is over the basic purposes of Talk pages. Do we want them to be tools for article improvement, or open-ended "discussion boards" for anyone and everyone to give their opinions about the general topic? Certainly more people are familiar with the concept of discussion boards than talk pages. But do we want Talk pages to be just like discussion boards at other sites? If not, a different name could help make the distinction. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 22:02, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
The technical operation and appearance of a board says pretty much zilch about the nature of the discussion. Pretty much every website has the same basic design for their forums, yet there is a huge difference between the discussions on YouTube versus Slate. Whatever we call it, by immediately hiding (meaning reverting) inappropriate posts, we'll make the point pretty damn quickly and new users will catch on. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 03:26, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Short Brigade Harvester Boris: I believe the word "board" was originally chosen, primarily to indicate that it works differently from a "page", in that a "flow board" is technically just a container for various components - currently just two types: "header/description" (1 per board) and "topic" (unlimited per board, and might be shared between boards (future feature) or wikis (future feature)); but other more complicated workflow components will be developed later.
[The plan, once the backend (which ties into our myriad other systems) and discussion component is a bit further along, is to make general-purpose non-restrictive components, with broad usage possibilities and variables, that each of the communities can then use as they wish, at various locations/location-types. Possibilities include: E.g. some sort of "checklist" component that is adaptable for the various types of peer review; E.g. some sort of !voting/consensus-finding component, which could be configured one way at Enwiki's RfA, and another way at Enwiki's AfD, (and etc), and which could perhaps show/group/sort/count the individual responses in various ways. -- I.e. Less complexity for editors to engage in processes, without having to memorize (or look-up every time) dozens of templates+variables. More time to re-read the policies/guidelines and editors' comments, and less time re-reading the process instructions.]
Re: "Board", a few people, including WMF staff, have suggested changing this bit of terminology. (and also "topic" and even "flow"). Naming Things is one of those complicated issues, that everyone has an opinion on! ;-)
Re: "Do we want them to be tools for article improvement [...]" - Yes. That is 100% the goal. (And to support more of the hundreds of related-types of discussion/process that take place around that central goal). For example, one idea that I like (which might be investigated more in the future), is to have topics able to be more closely associated with a specific piece of article-content - that could take the form of something like: a {{ clarify}} tag, which when clicked pops open a discussion in a modular-dialogue-window directly on the article page itself, inside which the unclear aspect would (ideally) be explained and discussed and resolved. This would help our discussions to be more closely connected to the development of the live version of the article itself, without everyone having to constantly flip back and forth between tabs, and keep track of the current wording via diffs, quite so much. (Hopefully that imagined feature is somewhat clearly explained. But if not, just dream it into a shape that you think would be good and achievable, and describe it! With the obvious caveat that any powerful new feature often comes hand-in-hand with new mis-use possibilities, and those will obviously need to be thought about and dealt/coped with, either socially or technically.)
Hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 20:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
...but when I reply here, my edit is not indented? Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 00:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
The problem with no indent is the reader has no clue to what I am answering... I agree with you btw (removing text again - but I cant tell why - no edit summary) Christian75 ( talk) 22:54, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
From Special:Log/massmessage:
16:22, 4 May 2015 Delivery of "Tech News: 2015-19" to Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page failed with an error code of ntspamfilter
Interesting that someone added this page to its list. It clearly won’t work, or not the same way as it does on normal talk pages where it just dumps its content including heading on the page. (: seems to be deliberate to do with a task, so someone is looking into this already.)
But it does raise the point of how this and other automated messages will be handled. Arguably they don’t need a topic each, as they just need to be read and archived or deleted. Unless there was some way of marking them as automated, so users could hide them en-masse or have them auto-hide (or archive or delete) after they have been read. Or have them all added to a special topic, or even multiple special topics, so a user's talk page can have a 'tech news' topic, a 'signpost' topic, etc.. This would ease management by keeping them separate from normal topics. JohnBlackburne words deeds 15:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
The answer is cross-posting, that is, having a single topic appear on multiple talk pages. There would be a master page like Wikipedia:Talk/Tech News, and the topic would be initially posted there, and then immediately posted to all other flow pages that have requested to receive it. Individual users could elect to remove them from their talk pages when done, but they will remain on the master page no matter what. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Re: having a single topic appear on multiple talk pages - In the long-term, that's probably a good use-case for the newsletters and Flow.
In the shorter-term, there's an ongoing GSOC project to make a more powerful newsletter system: phab:T76199 ("Newsletter Extension for Mediawiki"). :-) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:14, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Cross-posting is the killer app. Better to implement sooner than later. Huge potential, that can solve are number one biggest talk page problem (which no one pro or anti flow has even mentioned once as far as I know) which is forgotten talk pages that get no responses. Automatically cross-posting to a notice board would solve this problem. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Failed again. Here's the log entry:
Delivery of " Tech News: 2015-20" to Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page failed with an error code of ntspamfilter JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Chinese: 中国 JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:24, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Another thing not working. Visual editor seems to be though, including templates. But it is odd in a couple of ways. It seems to default or change to visual editor unexpectedly, at least for me. Possibly as I used 'preview the result' which is normally an entirely different operation. Also the toggle for the visual editor is far from obvious, both the label of it and how it indicate on and off. JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, right now it saves your VE/wikitext preference based on your last state, which means that if you switch to VE as the preview, then it stays there when you open your next post. We're going to fix that, so that if you switch to VE and don't make any changes, your preference will stay wikitext. That'll be coming up in a little bit.
Thanks for your thoughts about the toggle -- we have a lot of different opinions about that in the team, and it's helpful to hear that this version doesn't work for you. :) DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 21:54, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
just testing... (However, the topic titles are waaaaaay to big for my liking) dudeprgm talkϝɑɼĸ 16:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 23:37, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
test DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:43, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 22:47, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
test w/ sandwich DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
twice DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
of the century, test DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
currants DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:51, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
@ DannyH (WMF): very trial, so wow 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:27, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
ah, some mark up 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
How to tell people why their edits are reverted without edit summaries? Christian75 ( talk) 22:58, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Adding edit summaries to any "Content change", is task phab:T59894.
(Oh, and thanks for the feedback. Note that I only saw it here at this test page by chance. Placing feedback/questions/suggestions/requests/etc at the main WT:Flow would be ideal. :-) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I commented here: Wikipedia talk:Flow#I can't see the board right now but worth mentioning also here. Seems the header is doing new and interesting things, if the page is wide enough. Problems
More about that bug - it works fine on a topic page, since there's no header, but on the main talk page, it don't work. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:29, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't look as if it affects the topic page, or at least I can't see any difference.
Probably it's something that needs to be configurable per page. I mean right now on a normal page if you want headers across the top, or down the side, or more likely headers across the top and navigation links down the side, then you can achieve it with wikitext. This is used on many discussion based project pages – WP:A/R for example. Editors will want to be able to do something similar on Flow pages. And also on topic pages where appropriate. Having an automatic header for each topic would greatly facilitate some sorts of discussions. JohnBlackburne words deeds 18:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
So, I removed that script and it's working now. Now if I hit that close box, the header info disappears and I have the full width for discussion. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
@ JohnBlackburne: Quick replies:
@ Oiyarbepsy: Sorry the script caused confusion. I had removed my own copy a while ago, to test other things. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 22:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Quiddity, I think it might be a good idea to have a header at the top and the side. The top header would be reserved for extremely important messages that are specific to the page, things like "This is not the place to contest a page deletion. Please see blah blah blah." The side would be for lower-importance things like wikiprojects and merge notices.
There also might be case where we want the sidebar to appear on topic pages, which would be a nice option. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 23:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
A per-topic header and/or sidebar would actually have significant benefits. There are many noticeboards and similar which consist of lots of sections with identical headers. AfD, TfD, CfD, MfD, RfD, Arb/R, DYK nominations. Some of these exist all one one page, some on separate pages which get transcluded into a index page.
Flow already has a cleaner split between topic and index, without requiring lots of little pages. Adding topic headers, that get added to every topic on page, would make it much easier to build and maintain such noticeboards by generating the per-AFD, per-RFD, per-DYK headers automatically. These could appear one way on the topic, another way in the index, using something like the noinclude/includeonly mechanism used by templates like {{ tfd}} JohnBlackburne words deeds 00:10, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Some people had my flowidth script installed. That was really messing up the layout. I have now disabled the logic of my script, since it cannot easily be fixed.
All it's users now do get my CSS changes, however, so that's also nice :) — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
niec Anders Feder ( talk) 15:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Bloody Hell. Utopiantos ( talk) 20:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I experimented a bit with the tmbox styling, now that we have the side rail:
Add @import url( '//en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:TheDJ/flowheader.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css' ) as the first line in your common.css file. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
tumdidum 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:18, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
After & Before screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/KZ7O5nJ.png
Thanks, TheDJ. :) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 20:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by JohnBlackburne words deeds, 89.0.241.109 ( talk))
it's indeed a new topic 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Hmm... is it indeed new? Maybe I am just being too skeptic.
BTW: Linking by selecting from the Link menu does not seem to work...
Edit: Ahh... they do work afterwords, but while editing you cannot check them because they point to the wrong namespace! Antilope ( talk) 23:30, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
qwertyuiop ~~~~ 188.31.3.119 ( talk) 00:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Tito Dutta ( talk), Jim Carter)
MWTTT Jim Carter 10:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
test Shiti ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello World! Pavanaja ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
test2 Shiti ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Tito Dutta (
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10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello World! Anuragbihani94 ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
test again Jim Carter 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
नमस्कार :) Suyog talk to me! 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ. :) Csyogi ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
HI Everyone. Jnana here. Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
This is so awesome! Psubhashish ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hey Ananth subray ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hi everyone Madhusarthij ( talk) 10:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello everyone,my name is Jim Carter and you already know it. Jim Carter 10:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hello Nachhattardhammu ( talk) 10:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi All 106.206.138.169 ( talk) 10:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Who is this? Please sign in if you have an account. Tito Dutta ( talk) 10:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
While Flow is good but it's not totally working in the mobile websites. Besides, did anyone tried opening this page on mobile Wikipedia app. Jim Carter 10:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
No I am not going to sign in. 106.51.138.41 ( talk) 10:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Jnanaranjan sahu: କଣ କରୁଛ :P Shiti ( talk) 10:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Satdeep Gill:hello Nachhattardhammu ( talk) 10:12, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hello @ Anuragbihani94: Abhinavgarule ( talk) 10:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Just now I tried Dineshkumar Ponnusamy ( talk) 17:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
hi everyone Madhusarthij ( talk) 05:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello Abhinavgarule ( talk) 11:37, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
test 170.29.64.4 ( talk) 21:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
(Topic title edited by Anders Feder ( talk), Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation ( talk))
I'm just testing Flow. Nothing Something particularly interesting.
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Hello, world! Kevin12 x d 17:55, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Edited twice Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 01:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
As I noted in my last edit, I can't see what I'm typing. Please fix that.
09:35, July 13, 2015 Elvey( t• c) 16:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I can't type here for a while. And I can't tell if anyone replied by looking at my contributions page. Elvey( t• c) 17:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Re: the "(Current)" label, that issue is tracked at phab:T69325, and I've now updated it with many more details. Thanks for the reminder.
When you write "I can't type here for a while." - does that refer to a separate issue, or to the aforementioned contrast issue? Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 15:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
That's a separate issue. Just takes a while for the javascript to run to make tthis edit window appear. It displays moving diagonal lines while it's loading. Sometimes it's slow, sometimes not. I guess you're already aware of it. Probably faster than a full page load after an [edit] click by far. (And yes, I'm typing this blind.) Sorry for any typos... Elvey( t• c) 16:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
...andThanks! Elvey( t• c) 16:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
This is my first time using Flow. On talk pages, I tend to propose a lot of wiki code, so that's what I'm here to test. Here goes:
=== Example heading ===
Feedback: As soon as I started typing <code>
, a popup appeared in the upper right corner of my browser window explaining that wiki code has been detected and providing instructions to switch to Wikitext editor. However, I see three problems immediately. First, that popup disappeared after about five seconds--half the time required to see it and read it. Second, it suggested that I select Wikitext editor from the dropdown next to the "Save page" button, but there is no such button--only an "Add topic" button because I'm making the first thread post. Thirdly, there's no dropdown next to the "Add topic" button either; all that's needed is a click of the </> button. –
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Thanks! I've filed this as phab:T107100 Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
if I leave the <code> ]]unclosed like that. </code>
<s>I can't wish there was a strikethrough oprion in the menue (and other typographical thing which exist in VisualEditor).</s>
Anyways... I press italics above, then wrote somethings, and press enter, which cased the italics to be turned off automatily for the text which i'm writing in this paragraph, not sure if I wanted that....Te
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Josve05a (
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One reason againt Flow is that it is impossible to customiz the page (much), therefore I'm suggesting if it were possible to perhaps let user chose which colors everything on the page has, froma list of colorpalets, like "a green theme, different shades of green", or ...you get my drift. Pre-made color palets, but let the user chose which s/he wants? ( t) Josve05a ( c) 22:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Anyway, customization is already doable. It's HTML styled with CSS, so you could change the appearance in Special:MyPage/common.css . I just changed the topic titlebar with
.flow-topic-titlebar {
background: goldenrod;
}
If someone came up with a nice palette, others could @import url()
it or develop a gadget to enable it. But that's pretty geeky. Every official preference or theme adds complexity and support burden (I'm going to forget I did the above and wonder why Flow looks weird to me :-) ).
(Disclaimer: I don't work on the fine WMF Collaboration team developing Flow.) SPage (WMF) ( talk) 05:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
RE: We need your suggestions and feedback at WT:Flow: It wasn't really a real suggestiong, just trying out Flow, and then if someone saw it at the same time, then great :)
Thanks for the code BTW, gotta earn how to code in css... bah! ( t) Josve05a ( c) 06:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Testing a new reply. I must say, while it does have at least several small improvements, I am not a fan of this new flow discussion system. Maybe it just takes a while to get used to, but I miss the simplistic code writing, like in the old present normal standard Wikipedia.
How do I delete this topic and reply? Do not delete it, just tell me how to do it, please. Utopiantos ( talk) 20:15, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not just us getting used to Flow, but also Flow getting used to us as it's further developed ;-)
With the </> 'button' you can change the edit field to use wiki markup, if that's what your missing.
Deleting a topic or post is called 'hide' in the '...' menus. Nothing is ever actually deleted from the database, just like with normal wiki pages, so 'hide' is maybe not too bad a name. — HHHIPPO 21:19, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
To clarify, an administrator can actually delete a post. Think of hide like "revert" and delete like "revision delete" on wikitalk pages. If you hide your post, any user could unhide it, but if an admin deletes it, only an admin could restore it. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 21:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
And the admin can restore it because it's not actually deleted from the database, only hidden from normal users. But you're right, that action is most similar to what we usually call 'delete'. — HHHIPPO 06:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Test Notification test 2015-08-13 ( talk) 02:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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So, this is what the future of Wiki Discussions looks like ... I'm actually impressed. Much better than the old text system though at least you got to learn a small bit of coding ;P Testing - @ Drcrazy102:, and now we can even search users instead of having to Cut-and-paste their User name.
Hope this passes onto the main site soon! Nice job WikiDevs! Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 09:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
It looks like you have to search, otherwise it looks like this Drcrazy102 (links are copied in my browser) - but I cant search for non-latin letters... (I know I could unlink it again, but ... btw I cant figure out how to fix the link so its only links to DRcrazy102 without loosing the first text) and another issue. When pressing the link to remove it, I cant see remove because a suggestion box appears and hide the "remove" button, but I can see the cancel bottom (which means I would cancel and think that its impossible to remove just the link). Christian75 ( talk) 09:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, Christian75, this has just shown me a small problem in replying. I can't use the "+[image of person]"/"user search" to insert a user-link.
I am assuming when you say "otherwise it looks like this", that you mean you have to do a "link search" opposed to a "user search"? That seems to be the same problem as what I just experienced, so it may be a problem with the reply coding (at a guess, I don't really know quite how coding works, so *shrugs*).
In regards to the "remove link". Have you tried clicking outside of the search box and then seeing what happens? Since the search box seems to use an auto-pop-up function, the common work around is clicking somewhere else on the 'dialog' box (I think is the correct term), in this case the "link search" box. Give it a try and see if that works, though I would think that the Devs would probably change the layout to avoid that problem though they may not be aware of it, at this stage.
Still looks better than the current dialog box though, yes? Seems to have, or at least aims to have once bugs are dealt with, the same functionality as the old but with a much nicer UI.
And I just realised what the "</>" was for: switching between the text-based version of the message and the pretty version. ^V^
Damnit, now I have to go and use the old system. At least, the old system has a list of functions which helps me a lot, just another thought for the Devs to consider amongst many. Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 10:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Oranges Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Foo Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 00:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Foo Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 00:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Bar Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 01:09, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Baz Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 01:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
ing Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 02:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
When will this new talk page interface be enabled on other Wikimedia talk pages? Jarble ( talk) 02:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
It is rolling out gradually to various projects For instance, we recently converted all of the LiquidThreads pages on MediaWiki.org to Flow, so there are now a significant number of Flow boards there. It's also on a namespace on Catalan Wikipedia. If you're interested in using it, please see mw:Flow/Request_Flow_on_a_page or contact us. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 02:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
With feeling Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 03:45, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Mention @ Mattflaschen-WMF: Test 2015-08-19 ( talk) 00:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
After deploying end the occupation wgFlowOccupyPages patch. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 00:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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A googol is the large number 10100. In decimal notation, it is written as the digit 1 followed by one hundred 0s:
The term was coined in 1920 by 9-year-old Milton Sirotta (1911–1981), nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner. [1] Kasner popularized the concept in his 1940 book Mathematics and the Imagination. [2] Other names for googol include ten duotrigintillion on the short scale, ten thousand sexdecillion on the long scale, or ten sexdecilliard on the Peletier long scale.
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(and now a paste, using a copy direct from the article (whilst not in editing mode), into Flow's VisualEditor editing-mode.)
A googol is the large number 10100. In decimal notation, it is written as the digit 1 followed by one hundred 0s:
The term was coined in 1920 by 9-year-old Milton Sirotta (1911–1981), nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner. [1] Kasner popularized the concept in his 1940 book Mathematics and the Imagination. [2] Other names for googol include ten duotrigintillion on the short scale, ten thousand sexdecillion on the long scale, or ten sexdecilliard on the Peletier long scale. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 20:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
== User profiles for Mobiles ==
Hi Lila! Today, I discovered for the first time a Special Page "user profile" at deWP. It is, sadly, not listed at [[:de:Special:SpecialPages]] so that I do not know if the same exists The feature seems to exist at all Wikimedia projects (see i.e. [[Special:UserProfile/Martina Nolte|here]] and at [[c:Special:UserProfile/Martina_Nolte|Commons]]).
This "user profile" shows your last edit in the project including an
article's first image, your last upload at Wikimedia Commons, the last
"Thank you" to that user, his or her amount of uploads at Commons, the
amount of edits in the particular project. The results of such a
"profile" can be very puzzling and even somehow misleading like in [https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Benutzerprofil/Achim_Raschka this example] (derived from [[:de:Spezial:Benutzerprofil/Achim_Raschka]]). In [[:de:Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#nur_nicht_aufregen.2C_denn_...|a discussion]] at the German ''Signpost''
equivalent "Kurier", we wonder if we could deactivate these profiles if
the communty would decide to do so? Whom would we have to address?
Thanks for your time and consideration. -- ) 19:49, 24 February 2015
(UTC)/21:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)(((Name removed to avoid ping)))
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: Hey Lila. I want to keep myself short, but still it's some more words I want to speak out related to the "user profile" issue pointed out by Martina in particular and based on that some more general words on the WMF's software development process.
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Problem: Flow locked the show/hide template in SHOW mode, locking in the display of phonographic images. As I understand it this is "by design", so it's a design bug and not a software bug.
The next user to come along (very reasonably) considered the images to be potentially disruptive. The only way to fix the Flow failure was to DELETE the content From Flow.
BUG: I tried to view the original version in history. The version in displayed by history did not match what was actually displayed at that time. This is real problem. It rendered with the images HIDDEN, and I was shocked to find that the show/hide button worked.
BUG: I tested reverting that deletion. Flow completely mangled the revert. The images are gone, the links are gone, the template is gone. Alsee ( talk) 18:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Alsee, thanks for the notes. The collapse template seems to be locked in "show" mode upon the initial save, but if I refresh the page, it is properly showing as collapsed. Hence the disparity you saw when looking at the old revision. I've filed a bug for this as phab:T112332.
Re: reverting. After much further testing, I've narrowed down the problem, and filed phab:T112338. This was working the last time I tried it, so is a new bug; thanks for discovering it. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank User:Dcljr|dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format): RfC started 14:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC) (((username de-linked to avoid ping)))
There's a button you can click at the top right that makes it full-width, which makes a huge difference. Also, there is talk of getting rid of the scrollbar in a scrollbar, but it's probably a little down on the priorities list. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 03:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Expanding the width does not fix it. The content is butchered. Alsee ( talk) 03:38, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Removing the scrollbar is phab:T76821. Re: the table:
Please could you describe what steps you followed, to create the above table? (I.e. Which source version you used, which edit-mode in Flow you pasted it into, and what tweaks you did before saving aside from unlinking the username). It seems to be missing the entire header row, and has the closing I don't use VE. I went to the Talk page. I copied, including text from above the table. I copied down, including text from below the table. I don't touch the table at all. The table was safely between normal sentences that I copied as a single chunk. I pasted. I unlinked. I saved. (Actually I think the last time I tried this I pasted it into WindowsNotepad to preform the unlink edit, then recopied and pasted here). In my more recent thread on the same board, I needed to paste in smaller tables. (Copied from lower in the same Field's Medal RFC discussion). I tried toggling </> to paste each way, neither seemed to work. I deleted the smaller table before saving. P.S. I Told Danny I had Twinkle and probably something else - I just remembered that the "something else" is WikiEd.I'm pretty sure I have nothing unusual. Alsee ( talk) 19:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format) (Large table for discussion - not included here) Alsee ( talk) 17:01, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
There are other tables in the article in which they contain information about fields medalists.Should the above table replace with them? Alsee ( talk) 17:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Test results: You cannot mix top posting and bottom posting. The result is an incoherent spaghetti. Alsee ( talk) 17:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC) Test results: Flow information density, assuming Wikitext =100% Default mode = 41% Wide mode = 48% Awful. Yeah yeah, I read the FAQ:Why does it look like Facebook. I'm telling you, it's wrong. I've seen people citing this as a comical example of how out of touch the WMF and Flow are. Go to your programmers, tell them you're giving them a new development environment. Tell them that the new programming environment only displays 48% as much code on the screen at a time. Then tell them that the decision is based on "elaborate [Facebook] user research and A/B testing to find what works best". They won't be amused. Alsee ( talk) 17:13, 15 September 2015 (UTC) test pasting raw wikitext, from Talk:Fields Medal/Archive1, into Flow's wikitext editor-mode. (and unlinking username to prevent ping) Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank User:Dcljr|dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format): RfC started 14:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Test pasting a highlight of the rendered page section, into Flow's VE editor-mode. (and unlinking username to prevent ping)
Third test, pasting wikitext into VE editor-mode (checking the autoconversion). . (and unlinking username to prevent ping) Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format): RfC started 14:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Link to Talk:Flow_QA 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC) Well, that page is on beta - that's not going to work... Let's try Wikipedia:Flow 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC) And another one: Wikipedia:Flow 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:22, 14 September 2015 (UTC) What about Talk:Sandbox? 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC) Another link to Wikipedia:Flow 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 10:00, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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Nowiki version, pasted in wiki mode: {| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1ex auto 1ex auto"|-| Year! [[International Congress of Mathematicians#List of Congresses|ICM]] location! Medalists! Institution (At the time of receiving the medal) ! Birthplace! Current/Last residency! Current/Last Institution|-|rowspan=2| 1936|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|Norway}} [[Oslo]]| [[Lars Ahlfors]]| [[University of Helsinki]]| {{flagicon|Finland}}| [[United States]]| [[Harvard University]]|-| [[Jesse Douglas]]| [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]]| {{flagicon|US}}| [[United States]]| [[City College of New York]]|-|rowspan=2| 1950|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|US}} [[Cambridge, Massachusetts|Cambridge]]| [[Laurent Schwartz]]| [[University of Nancy]]| {{flagicon|France}}| [[France]]| [[Université de Paris VII]]|-| [[Atle Selberg]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]| {{flagicon|Norway}}| [[United States]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]|} Alsee ( talk) 15:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC) (Edited by Keegan ( talk))
Pasted in wiki mode: Pasted in Visual mode: {| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1ex auto 1ex auto"|-| Year! [[International Congress of Mathematicians#List of Congresses|ICM]] location! Medalists! Institution (At the time of receiving the medal) ! Birthplace! Current/Last residency! Current/Last Institution|-|rowspan=2| 1936|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|Norway}} [[Oslo]]| [[Lars Ahlfors]]| [[University of Helsinki]]| {{flagicon|Finland}}| [[United States]]| [[Harvard University]]|-| [[Jesse Douglas]]| [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]]| {{flagicon|US}}| [[United States]]| [[City College of New York]]|-|rowspan=2| 1950|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|US}} [[Cambridge, Massachusetts|Cambridge]]| [[Laurent Schwartz]]| [[University of Nancy]]| {{flagicon|France}}| [[France]]| [[Université de Paris VII]]|-| [[Atle Selberg]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]| {{flagicon|Norway}}| [[United States]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]|} Alsee ( talk) 15:49, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Trying again in visual mode: visual Alsee ( talk) 15:54, 15 September 2015 (UTC) wikitext None of the tests work. When I go back to a regular Wikipage and paste and preview it works fine. Alsee ( talk) 15:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC) That was a small test. How do I delete of large quantities of spam/disruption??? Alsee ( talk) 17:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC) It ought to be possible to convert the new discussion format to the old format, and vice versa. Have you asked the developers about this? Jarble ( talk) 22:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC) The WMF built something to convert LiquidThreads to Flow. They plan to deal with wikitext pages by archiving them. The WMF wants to dump wikitext pages and fully deploy Flow, so converting Flow to wikitext is not something they have much interest in. I'm not sure if they have a converter or not, but the results would be gross. Any large discussion would probably be essentially unreadable. Alsee ( talk) 05:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC) This is a fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC) How will spam replies be detected in this new talk page system? Jarble ( talk) 17:22, 18 September 2015 (UTC) What do you mean by 'detected'? Normally anyone can just delete spam/vandalism on sight. That fails on Flow. Alsee ( talk) 20:41, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
I hope it will be possible to convert the new discussion format to the old format, and vice-versa. Otherwise, it will be difficult for the anti-vandalism bots to do their work on the new talk page system. Jarble ( talk) 22:34, 18 September 2015 (UTC) Ah. Bots would almost certainly need to be reprogrammed to handle Flow pages. Alsee ( talk) 05:31, 19 September 2015 (UTC) epty8q9-4 =0t — azuki ( talk · contribs · email) 11:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC) The W.O.W begins his Final offenSive agaenst WiKiPedia N fORCES on Jan 16 — azuki ( talk · contribs · email) 11:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC) I don't understand this comment. What does it mean? Jarble ( talk) 18:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC) test test test test test — azuki ( talk · contribs · email) 22:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC) test5a Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) test5b Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC) test5c Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC) Most Wikipedia talk pages have a search bar that allows editors to search the talk page archives, but this is missing in the Flow discussion format. Will this feature be added soon? Jarble ( talk) 22:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC) I suspect it is on the list of things to do as not only would it be useful but essential given how topics disappear off the end and only reload if you scroll down. You cannot even reliably know how much you are searching, if you do a text search on a topic page (if you try scrolling down more topics appear, so you never normally see 'the end'). JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC) The main tracking task (link hub, and notes compilation) for search development is phab:T76823 (most of the backend work is complete, and that task is tracking the required frontend work). They plan to restart work on that, after the upcoming focus on cross-wiki notifications and on complex workflows. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 16:33, 21 September 2015 (UTC) post 1 Alsee ( talk) 21:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
post 2 Alsee ( talk) 21:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC) = Error = <div id="bodyContent" class="mw-body-content"> <div id="siteSub">From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</div> </div> An error has occurred. Return to [[Main Page]]. <div class="errorbox">[a3b876d0] 2015-09-19 21:27:46: Fatal exception of type "Flow\Exception\FlowException"</div> Alsee ( talk) 21:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Error obtained by clicking this link from history page: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Topic:Sp8jefng2wemanet&action=compare-postsummary-revisions&topicsummary_newRevision=sp8jhb2mx0zokla0&topicsummary_oldRevision=sp8jizdv0emw1axz Alsee ( talk) 21:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC) Ping Quiddity (WMF) Alsee ( talk) 14:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC) Filed as phab:T113261. Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 17:50, 21 September 2015 (UTC) hn FlickrWarrior ( talk) 23:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC) hello Theoriefinder ( talk) 07:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC) is fixed. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 00:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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Reply test. CabbagePotato ( talk) 05:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Tiny diffs! How cute. CabbagePotato ( talk) 05:24, 22 March 2016 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
(Topic title edited by — Andy W. ( talk), Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk)) 123 Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 23:51, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Re. QEDK ( T ☕ C) 06:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC) Re lvl QEDK ( T ☕ C) 06:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. test ଏଚଭିଜେଏଚବିଜେଏନ,ନ ,ମ Shiti ( talk) 11:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
ଭବିଏଚଭିଏଚବିଏଚଜେବିଜେଏଚବି Shiti ( talk) 11:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC) ବିବିଏଚଜେବିଏଚଜେବି Shiti ( talk) 11:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC) ବିବିବି Shiti ( talk) 11:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. (Topic title edited by — Andy W. ( talk), Shiti ( talk)) testing test Shiti ( talk) 21:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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Test ବିକାଶଓଝା ( talk) 06:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC) Version 3 {{Automatic taxobox | image2 = A Magicicada chorus containing M. septendecim, M. cassini, and M. septendecula - pone.0000892.s004.oga | image2_caption = A chorus of several ''[[Magicicada]]'' species | taxon = Insecta | authority = [[Carl Linnaeus|Linnaeus]], [[10th edition of Systema Naturae|1758]] | subdivision ranks = Subgroups | subdivision = [[#Taxonomy|See text]]. | name = | fossil_range = {{fossilrange|396|0}}<small>Early [[Devonian]]<ref name=EngelGrim /> (but see text)–[[Holocene|Present]]</small> | image = Insect collage.png | image_caption = Clockwise from top left: dance fly (''[[Empis livida]]''), long-nosed weevil (''[[Rhinotia hemistictus]]''), mole cricket (''[[Gryllotalpa brachyptera]]''), [[German wasp]] (''Vespula germanica''), emperor gum moth (''[[Opodiphthera eucalypti]]''), assassin bug ([[Harpactorinae]]) }} Alsee ( talk) 18:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC) Interesting it picked up its name from the topic page, but then it’s not meant to be used outside of article space. Also curious if this reply will go alongside the infobox, as on a normal talk page, or not. I see that’s a no, it appears below and leaves a lot of white space. There should be some way to override this. JohnBlackburne words deeds 00:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC) This is a very bold list!
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− (Note: The Board header diff history is accessible (from the main history).) (Board description edited by Fram ( talk), JohnBlackburne words deeds, Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk), 204.27.61.36 ( talk), Michael Unwonain ( talk), Oiyarbepsy ( talk), 31.171.249.127 ( talk), Milanarashidova3 ( talk), Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions), ZOKIDIN5 ( talk), ZOKIDIN4 ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), Anders Feder ( talk), DannyH (WMF) ( talk), EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk), — HHHIPPO, SPage (WMF) ( talk), 204.28.117.208 ( talk), Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation ( talk), Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds, Graywash ( talk), FDMS 4 , Maryana (WMF) ( talk), Jorm (WMF) ( talk), MZMcBride ( talk))
enwiki is usually earlier code than mediawiki.org , so check bugs there ( mw:Talk:Sandbox). And Flow team's test server is more bleeding-edge. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 21:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Here is another test post. Tito Dutta ( talk) 22:03, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
The point is that this doesn't tell you which one of your posts my reply relates to, as any new post of mine will always be listed at the bottom,— True. It is like email/mailing list conversation where one needs to "quote" context. Tito Dutta ( talk) 00:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Killiondude: With God, all things are possible. Remember that, please. MZMcBride ( talk) 07:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
How can I put a gallery here? Micha 21:44, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride (
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Chocolate strawberries for breakfast? [1]
MZMcBride ( talk) 05:59, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride ( talk) 06:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Enough. Killiondude ( talk) 06:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page
what is this
i don't even
MZMcBride ( talk) 06:50, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride (
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07:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
, MZMcBride ( talk) 07:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this hello what is this
MZMcBride ( talk) 07:11, 4 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Sitic ( talk))
I tried pasting in most of the templates in T62785, couldn't see where the duplicate ID is coming from. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 07:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing nesting KonveyorBelt 20:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
At this point, or after just one reply, the discussion becomes muddled and there is no real indication who anybody is replying to. This is VERY unintuitive and should be fixed. Especially on large boards like ANI. KonveyorBelt 20:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Am I replying to the post above ("At this point...") or the parent post? No idea! — Scott • talk 23:30, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I actually agree with Konveyor, it seems like it would get rather confusing. NativeForeigner Talk 22:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing this again Risker ( talk) 01:02, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Does this appear in recent changes? Fram ( talk) 11:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
[Subst. content removed. Let's see if this works.] ~~~~ Fram ( talk) 11:58, 5 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by postdlf ( talk))
I got an mw:Echo notification that I was mentioned here. Any idea why I got that notification? Stefan2 ( talk) 13:56, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I actually got an e-mail notification, not sure why because I never get any e-mail notifications for anything that happens at en.wiki. postdlf ( talk) 16:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
My notifications are also broken. There are plenty of other Wikimedia domains to test this that don't interfere with editor functionality and capability here.
Less seriously, no page name shows up for my comments here in my contribution history. postdlf ( talk) 16:45, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I've never been so confused. ~~~~ Honestly, the wheel on my mouse is getting hot from rolling it up and down. I have no clue where I am. ~~~~ Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 17:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I edited Fram's original post above there to remove the subst. content. But it looks like the damage has already been done to the notifications, as that is still broken for me. Let's get that fixed shortly, hmm?
Also, I cannot find a way to undo or revert my change to Fram's comment as there doesn't appear to be any history for the comment or this page as a whole even though I could edit others' comments (I could see the diff of the change I applied, but that's it). Which I hope we can all agree is completely unacceptable for a final version. Flow also did not allow me to apply a signature with tildes, and instead applied nowiki to my comment.
I honestly don't see the point of any of this Flow nonsense, even setting aside for the moment that this test has broken notifications for me and a few other editors. postdlf ( talk) 18:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Like others, I'd prefer to have my notifications back, if the current error message is related to this test. ~~~~ Charles Matthews ( talk) 18:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Stefan2, BrownHairedGirl, Postdlf We deployed a fix, can you see whether Special:Notifications works for you?
The bad notification from the large Flow post is still there, so your Echo notification counter may stick at 1. We're working on that too.
Thanks. I'll post to Wikipedia talk:Flow#Flow .2B_Echo 3D Error.3F SPage (WMF) ( talk) 00:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion
User:Fram Template loop detected: User:EngFram/sandbox
User:EngFram Fram ( talk) 20:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Nothing important, just testing something Reso lute 21:07, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Reso lute 21:25, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Test Fram ( talk) 07:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing 1 2 3 Carnildo ( talk) 01:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Erm... what? Simply south .... .. time, deparment skies for just 10 years 15:17, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
If I use a template, then the template is transcluded into this page. I presume this page is refreshed when the template is changed. Normal pages has a list in the bottom when the edit window is open. A
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testing a thing WK's Other Throwaway Account ( talk) 21:36, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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Test comment 2 Fram ( talk) 09:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Self explanatory - and wasting half my screen space. Thanks. ukexpat ( talk) 15:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
min-width: 400px; max-width: 800px;
to determine the width overall (plus: 44px right-padding from Flow, and 24px right-padding from the site default). Hence you'll see width variations on any smaller screens (or if you resize the browser-window), but all large screens (with maximized-window) will hypothetically see the same thing (with variations for zoom, or personal CSS, or browser/OS font defaults (unless you're using the current iteration of the
Typography refresh BetaFeature, in which case it gets even more complicated!), etc).Surely that can be done by automatically adjusting to fit the screen, like any other Wikipedia page? This needs to be fixed. ukexpat ( talk) 18:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed, you ask 50 people to randomly type few letters in keyboard, they'll include "asdf" in it. Similarly, if you ask editors to make a test of something (or create a test post), they'll use the title "Test"
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Tito Dutta (
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20:09, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing again on a different computer. It does not seem to be quivering with this computer, although using the same OS, same browser (Win 7, FF 26.0), and no other obvious variables (both computers have the same add-ons and scripts). I did see it earlier today using a third computer using Win 7 and IE9. Risker ( talk) 03:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
test foo
squirrel monkey cat dog Quiddity ( talk) 21:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Also test, so much test. very test, wow. Quiddity II ( talk) 20:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
T61798 means this invocation of <categorytree> doesn't work, question is whether it messes up other JS on the page.
That may be causing T63097 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 09:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk))
The history tab doesn't seem to record posts? Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 14:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
it does apparently Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 20:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Where? I cannot see anywhere that you added that comment. Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 22:45, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Posting on Top turns talk pages upside down. Revolution! Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 20:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
It comes up in my watchlist as already viewed, even when I haven't. Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 18:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Testing Wikipedia_talk:Flow#How_will_we_close_discussions.3F @ Dougweller and Fram:
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
Tito Dutta ( talk) 19:16, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
That's fine then I think. Thanks very much. Doug Weller talk 06:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
blla nbdfnbndfnfg Fram ( talk) 11:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Note that the above redlink was a bluelink in preview, same problem (and cause probably) as in VisualEditor, error there noted more than 1 1/2 years ago... Fram ( talk) 12:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), epicgenius - ( talk))
test redlink and signature ~~~~ epicgenius - ( talk) 15:39, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Note: Signature doesn't work on Flow,, and neither does linking in the title. epicgenius - ( talk) 15:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Now can you figure out which of my two comments above is a reply to what, apart from the content? And if yes, can you tell me how? — HHHIPPO 21:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
testing editing Fram ( talk) 09:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Wow this is cool Kangaroo powah 19:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
I just added a comment, and what I get in my contributions is just that I "added a comment" -- not that I added it to Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page! -- and when I view the history of that page [1] I don't see it. This seems like a really fundamentally bad thing to break on a Wiki - I'm surprised you're not afraid to have these edits in the regular database at all, out of fear of breaking something.
Next up... what happens to these diffless entries when I edit a post? Answer: it gives me a contribution of "editing a comment" with a link here, and the change in size, HOWEVER, the contribution "added a comment" now points to the REVISED comment, so there's no way for anyone to see what the original comment was. That should add an element of high Wiki-drama... tell us, do the admins have some kind of secret "view the history really" function, or are they going to be going by eyewitness testimony as to who said what before they revised their nasty "personal attacks"? I see that there actually is an entry in the history I'm getting at the top for when i created the topic, though. Wnt ( talk) 19:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Breakfast has some tabs and an image at the top of the page. Where is that text coming from? Suppose you want to replace the image near the top of that page - can you do it? Perhaps one day you log in and find some wag has replaced it with a vulva. Can you tell who edited it? Wnt ( talk) 14:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Fram ( talk) 14:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
testtesttest this is cool Victor Grigas ( talk) 19:31, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello. (ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 01:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Edit comment. {{ GA icon}} Graywash ( talk) 06:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Some three quarters ago, User:Graywash edited the board header (no problem with that, it is a test page after all). While in this case, his changes are small and easy to undo manually, I wondered how one would return to the pre-changed state if the changes weren't so small or obvious.
In his contributions, I find:
06:43, 19 February 2014 . . (+1,913) . . Graywash (talk | contribs | block) edited the board header.
without a link to even what board. Totally useless (and note the completely incorrect change size).
In the page history, we have
Graywash (talk | contribs | block) edited the board header.
45 minutes ago Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:43:53 GMT
The timestamp links to the current state of the header, no indication of what was changed
The header itself only has the "edit" icon, no history button or anything.
So, how can one see what has been changed, and how can one undo these changes to get back to the exact state it was in before? Fram ( talk) 07:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
By the way, apparently one can not remove or empty a page header, even though not every page needs one. Fram ( talk) 07:33, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
So, I have now changed the header:
(Topic title edited by Smtchahal ( talk), — regards, Revi)
ABCDEFG.... ~~~~ — regards, Revi 10:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Сунприат ( talk))
Just testing comment reply, and the Hide feature (above). (Hide seems broken to me; see reply below.) -m Memetics ( talk) 15:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Fram ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), EngFram ( talk))
NSFW! File:L'atelier faiminette.ogv EngFram ( talk) 13:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
EngFram ( talk) 13:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The topic https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Flow/Developer_test_page&topic_postId=rpgca5e9yyrhoqq5&workflow=rpgca5e9yyrhoqq5 has no visible title, but when I click "edit title", the text "false" appears. This is strange... Fram ( talk) 07:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
And now the topic below suddenly had the same problem. Something going wrong with the Flow software or database? Fram ( talk) 07:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Both have the same problem as well. Fram ( talk) 07:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Indian film Nizil ( talk) 19:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Very history. Much ancestry. Wow. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 22:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page}} Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 20:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
5x expanded by Gilderien ( talk). Self nominated at 02:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC).
{{WP:Sandbox}}
Hello there Benny!.. Gilderien Talk| List of good deeds 20:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
This is my first testing with flow, after reading an ongoing discussion at WT:INB. Dwaipayan ( talk) 03:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
ha ha User:Vigyani 05:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Testing flow . Looks good. One more step towards future. Need some improvements. We are having some discussion here regarding flow. You may join the discussion. Jim Carter 10:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:27, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:28, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Another query. While submitting this topic. I have seen this message – There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again
. Is there any reason why this is happening.
Jim Carter
10:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Does this work without Javascript too? 78.35.196.38 ( talk) 14:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Add some details if you like.... User:Vigyani 05:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
What if I ~~~~ Fauzan ✆ talk ✉ mail 04:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
~~~~ Mz7 ( talk) 16:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Took me a while to find that: The timestamps of header edits in the board history lead to a permalink to a specific version of the header. The text at the top of that page, even though it looks very much like it's part of the header, contains a link to one single diff. In the current incarnation I would call that nothing more than an easter egg, but I assume it's being worked on. Btw: on the way I found these:
— HHHIPPO — HHHIPPO 08:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
I tried to preview a template in a post, but now get "An error occurred while contacting the server. " errors...
Anyway, when I have an image and a template in my post, preview no longer seems to work... Having only the image, or only the template, gives no problems. Bizarre!
{{unsourced}} Fram ( talk) 15:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
And the title of the next topic now has disappeared. This problem was noted a few weeks ago as well, doesn't seem to be improved yet. Rather disturbing that. Fram ( talk) 15:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
ĄĘĆŹ Łapiński PMG ( talk) 17:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
detale threada 217.168.136.164 ( talk) 17:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
odpowiedz na threada 217.168.136.164 ( talk) 17:38, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
test, sorry SPage (WMF) ( talk) 00:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Wnt ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), Thesquirrelsareattackingagain ( talk))
test foo Thesquirrelsareattackingagain ( talk) 18:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk))
This is just a test. Hi everybody. 173.164.185.245 ( talk) 21:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
r Tito Dutta ( talk) 01:57, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
~~~~ Tito Dutta ( talk) 01:57, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
NativeForeigner ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki) NativeForeigner Talk 04:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Long tail Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 17:56, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
oceans
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras et purus pulvinar, sagittis felis vel, ornare nisi. Pellentesque ut est nec quam auctor blandit. Etiam ac suscipit quam. Pellentesque sollicitudin, nisi nec adipiscing mattis, quam ligula ornare purus, et imperdiet risus purus sed est. Ut euismod sit amet risus sit amet consequat. Maecenas eget odio ac lectus congue aliquam at non augue. Vivamus ut nibh nulla. Cras at volutpat est. Nullam nisl ipsum, lacinia ac justo sit amet, ornare aliquet justo. Aliquam suscipit dapibus massa, vel accumsan justo consequat id. Aliquam et erat eu libero ultrices sagittis. Vivamus luctus lacus scelerisque, lobortis tellus vel, vulputate nisl. Mauris hendrerit justo ut dolor condimentum, malesuada facilisis sapien suscipit.
Proin nec nisi ac sem sollicitudin dignissim vel a neque. Mauris vulputate neque nec mauris sodales hendrerit. In commodo elit purus, nec vestibulum dui posuere quis. Aliquam imperdiet velit in urna pellentesque, et hendrerit dui ullamcorper. Nulla fermentum aliquet velit, at dapibus nunc vestibulum et. Duis nulla purus, pretium id hendrerit ut, adipiscing in arcu. Phasellus at tellus vitae dolor feugiat congue ut eget diam. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 18:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras et purus pulvinar, sagittis felis vel, ornare nisi. Pellentesque ut est nec quam auctor blandit. Etiam ac suscipit quam. Pellentesque sollicitudin, nisi nec adipiscing mattis, quam ligula ornare purus, et imperdiet risus purus sed est. Ut euismod sit amet risus sit amet consequat. Maecenas eget odio ac lectus congue aliquam at non augue. Vivamus ut nibh nulla. Cras at volutpat est. Nullam nisl ipsum, lacinia ac justo sit amet, ornare aliquet justo. Aliquam suscipit dapibus massa, vel accumsan justo consequat id. Aliquam et erat eu libero ultrices sagittis. Vivamus luctus lacus scelerisque, lobortis tellus vel, vulputate nisl. Mauris hendrerit justo ut dolor condimentum, malesuada facilisis sapien suscipit.
Proin nec nisi ac sem sollicitudin dignissim vel a neque. Mauris vulputate neque nec mauris sodales hendrerit. In commodo elit purus, nec vestibulum dui posuere quis. Aliquam imperdiet velit in urna pellentesque, et hendrerit dui ullamcorper. Nulla fermentum aliquet velit, at dapibus nunc vestibulum et. Duis nulla purus, pretium id hendrerit ut, adipiscing in arcu. Phasellus at tellus vitae dolor feugiat congue ut eget diam. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 18:07, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. I see the template code in the heading, the raw output in the 'comment on' before typing this. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:00, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Does it work in the actual content? Chinese: 不知道; pinyin: is this thing on? JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Makes for a fun way to test templates I guess. edit. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Also interesting how it looks in the history/contribution record. The template code for the post being created, the template as seen in a page, i.e. formatted with links and all HTML the template outputs, for replies. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
The problem of template output in history and contributions seems fixed. I now see the template source, which is my own fault for putting it there. But I still see the raw HTML output in this edit window before typing. JohnBlackburne words deeds 04:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Can I add a tick to my contributions? Yep that worked. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Glad to have provided an example. I had no idea what including {{ zh}} in a topic would do but it was worth trying. I was then tempted to try a template with a big image but luckily thought of {{ ok}} first. A more creative mind could have broken the page history with this. Oops I see the history is' [sic - formatting test] broken. JohnBlackburne words deeds 03:46, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Fram ( talk), Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), Tito Dutta ( talk), Outriggr ( talk))
what shows in the edit summary? Outriggr ( talk) 02:35, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I guess you'll wanna fix that. Hehe. Outriggr ( talk) 02:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
That's bugzilla:64943, which has been fixed, but the patch is riding the deploy-train so probably won't arrive till Thursday. However, I'll ask if it's practical to deploy a quicker fix. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 03:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I have changed the title back, so that we can actually "see" if and when anything and/or everything is fixed. Hiding problems isn't the purpose of a test page.
And I just love to see
"[[File:X mark.svg|15px|link=|alt=]]<span style="display:none">N</span>" topic history
when you click on the history of this topic :-) Fram ( talk) 06:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
:Jay8g [? V• T• E?] 04:01, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Salix alba ( talk): 22:28, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
{{
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for example.
JohnBlackburne
words
deeds
22:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
An odd, if minor, bug: this page didn't get added to my watch list after I edited it, as other pages do. I had to manually add it. JohnBlackburne words deeds 04:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
External links in Flow posts aren't styled like they are in wiki pages ( T58756), and the Exlinks gadget doesn't work ( T67243).
Tests:
Noticed that clicking anywhere in the grey area (except the ... for the popup menu & the '1 comment', which expands the comment form) shows and hides. This is non-obvious and seems excessive. And leaves you no way to navigate to the subtopic which I was trying to do – the view I see when clicking e.g. on a link in my watchlist. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:51, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Actually it's odder than that. The comment boxes seem sticky. Expand one and it stays expanded even if you hide it's thread and expand another. It's like Facebook's annoying status box (click on that and it expands and there's no way to shrink it, you have to close/reload the page to get it back to normal, at least in my experience) JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Hey, finally the talk page flows! It almost looks like you've added https://disqus.com/ to the site! So great. Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 10:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Reported problem at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Article_feedback_.E2.86.92_Flow:
{{requested move/dated|Wikipedia:WikiProject Meals}}
Wikipedia:Flow/Developer test page → Wikipedia:WikiProject Meals – Testing problem reported at . Roan Kattouw (WMF) ( talk) 23:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Here, seems like it just appeared. Hmmm. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 02:13, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Flow, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
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Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 05:17, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Topic with just a link to Template:Rebbie Jackson Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:03, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Quiddity (WMF) ( talk), wbm1058 ( talk))
The notice doesn't seem to have added the page to WP:RMC within 30 mins. Nor has it been added to CAT:RM that I can see. If this isn't a test you maybe want to post the RM somewhere else so it can be properly noted, categorised etc. I don't think you're meant to sign your posts here either. JohnBlackburne words deeds 01:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
All I did was click edit and save. This *should* be just a null edit wbm1058 ( talk) 03:23, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
This shows up as an undated, untargetted RM in the backlog.
Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Backlog ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Just look at that move request.
(Malformed move request removed)
Ouch. Eh? — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 06:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Or... wait? It works here, but not below? Odd. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 07:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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20:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)Else. [1] Edit 2. Atethnekos ( Discussion, Contributions) 21:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
So I can reply here? (edited) LukeSurl t c 09:16, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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(Topic title edited by SPage (WMF) ( talk), TheWanderer1357 ( talk))
Hello, world! TheWanderer1357 ( talk) 10:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Like Andy Capp William Avery ( talk) 20:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Wibble, wibble... William Avery ( talk) 20:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Fram ( talk) 13:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I just "thanked" you - other pages says "Do you want to thank Fram for this edit?" - but not here... Christian75 ( talk) 11:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
See above... Fram ( talk) 13:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Testing to see if I can add wiki mark-up, to demonstrate things.
Hi, to link to the article Bath with a pipe, you type [[Bath (city)|Bath]]. ~~~~ 86.129.13.205 ( talk) 17:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, and is there no way to edit comments? And no real timestamp? 86.129.13.205 ( talk) 17:17, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I am testing the flow extension to see how the User Analysis Tool will pick up Flow edits. Question for the devs to answer. These edits are not recorded on the revision table are they? — cyberpower Chat:Offline 18:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
NotADev but see your revision here and of course history. So, revisions are recorded! Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 19:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Like it does on this page for me: a left justified, far longer than it need to be, tube down the side of the page leaving half the width of the page blank? Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 04:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys! Keep up the good spirit. Even the https://disqus.com/ system has a flowing talk AND an avatar preceding the "user name", "account name", whatever, a pic of a person talking. When will that happen on WikipediA @jorm jorm? And when will visual editor ever been turned on for flow? Ok, can some one connect the dots between agile/scrum, lean-startup (Eric Reis/Steve Blank) and Effectuation Method (Saras Saravathy)? Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 10:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Ego White Tray ( talk), 46.116.179.54 ( talk))
E.g. "topics" are shown in a table, clicking a topic takes the user to a new page where all the discussion takes place. 46.116.179.54 ( talk) 08:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, the current layout is both cumbersome and unaesthetic. TheWanderer1357 ( talk) 08:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh, Clicking "small view" gives it a more forum-like style. I think "small view" should be the default. TheWanderer1357 ( talk) 08:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
In other words, I couldn't search for something because it might be on a different page. The ability to search a talk page is in my opinion vital. It's already hard enough because of the ability to collapse things. Doug Weller talk 07:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me that this is really gonna need a "report abuse" button that would bring this to attention of administrators. Once this system is used on more pages, people are certainly gonna spam it, so we need a way to get administrator's attention to it on little-used talk pages so it doesn't stay that way, unseen by someone that can fix it, forever. Ego White Tray ( talk) 01:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Why so narrow? Why not fill the entire screen width? Ego White Tray ( talk) 02:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Argh, no. Please don't turn this into what would essentially be a page with columns. Don't put stuff beside this, let us have this 3/4 width of a page. Anything you do like that is only going to make Flow look ridiculous on mobile.
Am I correct in understanding that the upgrades will not have me typing in another shade of grey?
Incidentally...that study of the great benefits of whitespace...involves 20 participants, has not been peer reviewed, has not been reproduced, and (this part is the best)...take a look at how the authors use whitespace themselves: http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/62/whitespace.htm
(Note that the samples actually only have about an inch of white space, and the purpose of the test was to demonstrate reading speed and comprehension. ) Risker ( talk) 06:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Permalink test [2]
Is there some way to have a shorter wikilink version of this? Ego White Tray ( talk) 02:05, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Please see News and Notes, at Wikipedia talk:Flow#July 10 Flow Update, for the major update coming today. Feedback there is appreciated. Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 18:43, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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But I needed to test how this would work. (I would however want the discussions/talks in "full screen". This just hurts my eyes!) ( t) Josve05a ( c) 00:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Is there any reason I am not allowed to test this? Go Phightins ! 02:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
It's been determined that Go Phightins! is allowed to test this, I didn't want to click Close Topic because I'm not sure what will happen. Will WP crash?? Really though, will topics be closeable only by admins? Topic creators? Would a creator then prematurely close a topic? cliffsteinman -- Discuss 20:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Right on! Good work so far, I'm curious to see this test page continue, mainly for dedents/outdents. Is it an automatic outdent at a certain number? cliffsteinman -- Discuss 02:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if someone already asked this (part 2), which brought me to part 1, searchable? I wanted to know if anyone mentioned archive pages for these or if the page will continue on. Also, does this module remove my ~~~~? I'm very used to signing all comments. cliffsteinman -- Discuss 20:54, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I am also wondering how flow works. :) 92.224.249.122 ( talk) 14:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Error: no text specified ( help).
Hmm.. in Firefox seems to be constrained to only two-thirds of the screen.. the whole right side of the page is blank.. zooming in and out doesn't make any difference.. why? why??! whyyyyyy œ ™ 06:23, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
In the Topic history and/or the main history, with Hovercards enabled in Preferences, hovering over the "Topic" link still brings up the [w:Topic Topic] disambig page.. probably shouldn't be doing that huh œ ™ 06:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
title
attribute of the link, relying on the MW linker's behavior of prepending the namespace in the title. Flow's action links have title attributes "Post", "Thank", etc. so they look like pages in the main namespace, so
T65181 won't help. Hovercards needs to examine the href of the link instead of its title to determine if it's a simple link to an article, which is
T69466.title
attribute. Actions should have proper title tooltips that provide additional information or none at all,
T71213.
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02:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)I'm into snickerdoodles. Don't make too much of this thread. I'm making some tests for development purposes. However, feel free to chime in if you like snickerdoodles too. :-) — cyberpower Chat:Offline 15:31, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I like them too and am totally not Cyberpower678 posting this. :p — cyberpower Chat:Offline 15:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't much care for snickerdoodles. 71.168.140.56 ( talk) 11:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
This should be renamed because: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 08:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
interesting 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Just testing out flow as I'm a big user of the talk-pages on my local wiki and I want to see what the new experience is like. 87.60.145.167 ( talk) 16:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Does T71987 happen here? SPage (WMF) ( talk) 20:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
It seems to be less of a problem here than on Beta labs. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 21:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
great idea! 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
agree 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
oui 84.112.229.107 ( talk) 19:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
test Orlodrim ( talk) 21:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
test2 Orlodrim ( talk) 21:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
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Yaddayaddayadda Fram ( talk) 19:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
test wdwd ( talk) 13:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
So what does bad wikitext do in the title and body? JohnBlackburne words deeds 21:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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[[Category:Wikipedia image placeholders for image namespace]] Fram ( talk) 09:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Please stop testing with "live" content that links real usernames. Lots of us are getting tired of receiving bogus notifications of being mentioned in discussions when you're just doing tests that should have been done with lorem content. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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WhathappensifIwriteonecontinuoussentencewithoutspacesIwonderifitwillcausethecontainertostretchorifthetextwillbehiddenorifitwillbewrappped. - Mr X 18:07, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This is what I think. Mr External 18:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Testing 1.24wmf19 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 23:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I got notified about this, as a message (in the popup next to my username). Not obvious why. The page is on my Watchlist so I should see activity on that. JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I was notified also. WTH? Doug Weller talk 09:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Gee thanks. Now I am permanently notified, and even after un-watching this page, I am still permanently notified. Please make the notification go away. ~~~~ wbm1058 ( talk) 11:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Hm. There was a filled star at the top of the topic. Clicking on it made it unfilled, much like the page watchlist icon. So maybe that's how/why notifications are happening, a new thread-based notification mechanism. Apologies to anyone who gets a message from this reply but if I'm right it's at least possible to stop them.
Why they started? Did someone manually add people, or is it automatic if you're also watching the page? If the latter which seems most likely it's unnecessary as the Watchlist already does that job (if imperfectly for Flow pages). JohnBlackburne words deeds 12:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Bah. It's now filled again. Replying to a thread adds me to the notification-based watchlist for that individual thread? No thanks. JohnBlackburne words deeds 12:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I see There was another notification waiting for me at Module_talk:Redirect_hatnote#Request_a_new_tracking_category because I was pinged there. But that was not showing in my new notifications. I had to open "All notifications" to see it! Then the red 1 in the box finally went away. wbm1058 ( talk) 12:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
And yea, just replying here **automatically** activates the green star? Hmmm, I'll have to chew on whether that default is actually desirable. ~~~~ wbm1058 ( talk) 12:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I got an email. I don't want to get an email, every time a topic gets created. Please kill this function with fire. — cyberpower Chat:Offline 12:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
The short-term solution is to either unwatch this page, or to toggle your settings at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo.
For next week, the devs are working on a few related bugs, particularly better bundling of topics, and bugzilla:70461 (not opening the right section of the flyout, when we just have non-Flow notifications).
Longer-term we'll probably want more options (possibly quite a few more options?), to account for the various types of people who do want notifications for discussion updates (or certain ones), as well as people who don't. There are a few threads at WT:Flow discussing this currently. But it'll inevitably take many months to hammer out details.
HTH. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
@JohnBlackburne. Calling this crap "pre-alpha software" is like calling a scratched Edison cylinder "pre-digital audio." Carrite ( talk) 23:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, there's a bug that's affecting topic pages -- the JS isn't working properly. It's working correctly on the board pages, so you can reply as usual. Sorry about the bug. We're getting a fix out as soon as we can. DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 17:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
test — xaosflux Talk 22:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, this is fixed now. Topic pages are functional again. Sorry that it happened. DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 23:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Xyz Anthonyhcole ( talk · contribs · email) 14:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
FFS. Please kill the notifications. — cyberpower Chat:Offline 14:56, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 22:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
(copied from Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax#New syntax for images)
The new syntax is backward compatible, so articles don't have to be changed.
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shown in the left), several options can be set when including an image. Those affect the placing of the image, its size or the way the image will be presented. The options are right
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23:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)Hello all you Quiddities. DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 23:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Testing. 123. Biblio ( talk) Reform project. 19:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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I would like to see Flow enabled for Teahouse - where can I see it? Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 19:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
It will be here for some time: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Flow_test Ad Huikeshoven ( talk) 21:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Apart from editing some biographies of WMF people, you hardly ever edit here (you have 18 mainspace edits in total!). You haven't edited the Teahouse in over a year. What is your sudden interest in this? It is very strange that the only one advocating to have this page is someone with WMF ties but with virtually no reason to be interested in or participating at enwiki and its Teahouse. Fram ( talk) 08:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I got a notification "I hate flow created a new topic on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page" ten minutes ago - but where is the post? (When I try to hit it, I get "Insufficient permission to access the content. Return to Main Page. [e2f632bb] 2014-09-10 10:33:31: Fatal exception of type Flow\Exception\PermissionException"
Deleted? I think its really really bad if posts are just gone without normal users can see its gone (if I didnt had the notification I wouldnt know about it).
[edit] ~~~~ I didnt add nowiki - hmm it mess with my post Christian75 ( talk) 10:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC) Christian75 ( talk) 10:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
just making sure DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 16:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
answer DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 17:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to join WT:Flow when you have a minute to spare, there are some minor issues there that might interest you, like the utter failure of Flow. Fram ( talk) 17:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 20:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I just came here by clicking on the notification about new topics in the Echo flyout, and that did mark the message as read and reset the counter. Should the header here be updated, or do other people still have that problem? Btw:
— HHHIPPO — HHHIPPO 19:37, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
?action=history
. I fixed the bad link to "main history" in the Flow board header, and my edit appears in the history, so perhaps that comment is obsolete.Can I opt in my user talk page to Flow? Perhaps you should allow any user to do this. I work with new editors quite a lot and making conversations easier would help a lot with this. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 01:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I notice that the watchlist star for a flow talk page is not next to the edit tabs like on other pages. Shouldn't it be up there like any other page? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
{{User admin}}
{{User Alternate Acct Name|EngFram}}
"I am not, ocntrary [ sic] to the false headline, engaged in any search." ( "Jimmy Wales" in a comment to the ITpro article [3])
In reality though:
"I looked for a couple of variant spellings and found nothing, so I asked to see if others could find anything." (a post by User:Jimbo Wales [4] on his talk page, after he had been warned about the potential of violating outing in that thread)
Still, in his own opinion (On Slashdot), "My actions at Wikipedia around this were perfectly honorable and noble and did not violate any rules of any kind." YMMV...
Like the Signpost said: "According to Der Spiegel, Wales told them it was the community that had asked questions about Snowden's activities on Wikipedia, while he himself had warned against an outing – a statement that seems hard to reconcile with the discussions that took place on his talk page and at the administrators' noticeboard."
From an article I recently edited; "Getting to [...] is very easy. One can hire a taxi, mini bus, auto rickshaw or a metro taxi from anywhere in the city to reach there." Well duh :-D Fram ( talk) 06:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
It's roughly 40% of the way across the top (tab) level of the screen for me, outside the "page box". I had Twinkle turned on and it overlapped the twinkle tabs, and remains in the same place now that I have turned twinkle off. An inflexibly located symbol is not an appropriate replacement for watch/unwatch tab. First off, the default should always be words, with the option of going to symbols (haven't we learned that from VE?). Secondly the fact that it doesn't move depending on what other tabs exist is always a problem; it needs to interact appropriately with other tabs. Where's my delete button? It needs to be there. Risker ( talk) 15:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Ummm...so I edited the message above. and weirdly, the "Edited xx seconds ago" went to a negative number. That should never happen, should it? Risker ( talk) 15:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Wow, you're right, Fram. When I typed the original response out, that is where I thought I was putting it, but I was doing so from the "whole" page... Risker ( talk) 03:07, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Swarm ♠, Oiyarbepsy ( talk))
I just tested editing the header and noticed that there doesn't seem to be a way to enter edit summaries. This seems like a necessary thing to me. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Interesting - I just told Twinkle to nominate this for speedy delete (no serious, just testing), and nothing's here. Twinkle, however, didn't seem to notice that it didn't work. I apologize to the WMF employee who might have gotten the warning. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 21:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually it did work. You just can't see it. Believe it or not, if my understanding of Flow is correct, there is wikicode here, but Flow is covering all of it up. — cyberpower Chat:Offline 02:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Just a test Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Getting pinged automatically is awesome, isn't it? Carrite ( talk) 23:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
It's quite nice. I know when someone responded to me and they know that I responded to them without having to use that stupid template. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 05:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
This software is non-intuitive garbage, plain and simple. If it is meant to simplify the talk page process for newcomers it fails. If it is meant to organize and archive serious discussions for veteran volunteers, it fails miserably. ~~~~ Carrite ( talk) 06:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
In the last discussion I placed the link Topic:S2jtnhujc0f480sf#flow-post-s2mph1a7euzh0nus. I see a future issue with how this is done. I was also thinking of splitting off a portion of the topic, although this isn't supported yet. Anyways, if I had done that, it would have moved those posts into a new topic, and I suspect it would have broken that link. I think that each individual post needs a topic link and that #-sign links shouldn't be part of the linking system. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
{{topic:S2mti8w8pww07s5t}}
would save as [[topic:S2mti8w8pww07s5t|Adjustment might be needed to Topic links (on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page)]]
, or something similar?I agree that the current solutions are not optimal, Flow links because they're not human-readable and wikilinks because they're not permanent. The amazon model is interesting, but somehow just an ugly way of piping. It doesn't protect you from offensive content since the poster might hide it behind a nice, made-up topic title, which is ignored by the software.
How about this: we use the Flow links we have now, but teach the software to display them using the current topic title instead of the ID, some kind of implicit piping. — HHHIPPO 20:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
the alternative idea of "Topic:Human readable name (n)"is to skip the UUID in the URL/wikilink (please confirm).
It would be good if a topic like this one could be collapsed (NOT hidden or whatever), so that when you scroll the whole page, you see only the title and summary, and can open it with a single click; while leaving at the same time open discussions, well, open. "Locked" is not the same as this, it may have been intended as a replacement (or perhaps "hidden" was intended as the replacement?) but it works differently and more aggressively. Fram ( talk) 07:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
It would be helpful to have the Topic link printed in the header of each post. Right now, if I want to link to a topic on the screen while typing a post, the only way is to open a topic (that I'm staring at) in a new tab and then copy the link from the URL. I would like to see the Topic link on the screen, next to the menu button, so I could simply copy and paste it while writing a post. Thank you Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Why would you want a post to link to its own topic? When is that ever useful? Or why is it so often useful that it needs to be a permanent fixture of the header? You are already in a topic when you read a post... How often do current talk discussions include a link to the very same section? Fram ( talk) 14:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
lorem ipsum Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 17:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
qqqqq EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk) 17:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Now is the time Deltahedron ( talk) 18:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Konnichiwa to the world. Taku ( talk) 11:30, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
See here: User:Oiyarbepsy/flow redirect test Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 18:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, T71320. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 18:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
And redirects from Flow pages don't work (i.e. change the header to a redirect, doesn't work). So any page that was Flow enabled and needs to be turned into a redirect for some reason (e.g. user renames) will have a problem. Fram ( talk) 07:53, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
When you start a new topic, you have the cursor in the title box. You type your text, and you can't do anything. Only when you type in the box below as well appear the "preview" and "add topic" buttons. It is not clear to new editors that they need to put something in both boxes (only a text and no title also doesn't work) Fram ( talk) 06:58, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
And then getting two lines in your watchlist, which is set to "hide my edits" anyway, is not helpful either. Fram ( talk) 07:01, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
The "hide my edits" bug is now filed as bugzilla:71138. Thanks.
Re: not being clear that something needs to be put in both boxes, is there anything you'd suggest? (The only standard I can think of, is the old * (red asterisk) next to each required box) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 00:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Taku ( talk) 14:48, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Oiyarbepsy ( talk), Fram ( talk))
Test Fram ( talk) 07:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there a version that only admins could unlock? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
We renamed "Close" to "Lock" because people were Closing topics when really they could just Summarize them. Lock is tied to Summarize in that when you lock a topic (so people can't add replies), you probably want to provide a summary of the topic with an {{answered}}, {{complete}}, etc. template.
Lock/unlock is a permission like others, wikis can decide who gets the right. Again, try using a template like {{ done}} in the topic summary instead. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 23:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so I'm testing this right now, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong ... since I'm trying to edit a related template. This new "Topic" namespace ... it's not going to have talk pages or the ability to use an actual "edit" function? Also, can the actual "Topic" page be added to the watchlist, or is that exclusive to individual topics on the "Topic" page? Steel1943 ( talk) 13:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
...and now, it looks like these "Topic:" namespace pages are watchlisted by the star in the top right corner of the individual topic. Odd. Steel1943 ( talk) 13:57, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The history for this page only goes back to September 5 and there is no older history button. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 16:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, this has been notde months ago but not corrected yet, Flow history pages everywhere only display X hundred edits and then end. Apparently pagination is needed but hard to implement (or very low priority) Fram ( talk) 07:35, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Adding a comment to a topic with a suppressed comment Deltahedron ( talk) 20:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it normal for a user to be notified when suppressed? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 23:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Oiyarbepsy ( talk), Deltahedron ( talk))
Long title test Deltahedron ( talk) 19:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, umm, maybe the name needs to be cut off with ... added when collapsed. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:34, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
And the cutoff name needs to be used on the watchlist too. Deltahedron just made a huge mess of my watchlist with this :P Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
The current byte limit in Flow titles is 260bytes.
The current byte limit in the titles of the "New section" function for Talkpages, is 250bytes.
So, whilst Flow should allow 10 characters less, the normal talkpages also allow very long headings, and will similarly mess up a watchlist if one adds a string without any spaces. See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Quiddity_%28WMF%29/sandbox&action=history for example.
Hence, not a flow-specific bug. :) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 02:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk), Deltahedron ( talk))
template test Deltahedron ( talk) 19:02, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Deltahedron ( talk) 19:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
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(Topic title edited by SPage (WMF) ( talk), Oiyarbepsy ( talk), 198.73.209.2 ( talk))
I heard it's flat. 198.73.209.2 ( talk) 00:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Despite Flat Earth Society, it is widespread knowledge that the earth is a sphere since the Middle Ages. SPage (WMF) ( talk) 00:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
How about "discussion closed" instead of "discussion locked"? We use "closed" for all our existing processes. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
foo Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 01:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
So, categories don't seem to work - I edited the header to add this page to Category:Wikipedia Flow, purged the category, and it's not there. Could be server lag, but I suspect it's just something not implemented yet. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, T62510 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 19:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I notice that when I start a new topic is appears on my watchlist as two different edits. At least I think that's what's happening. What's going on here? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:55, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
@ SPage (WMF): Regarding this topic: My intuition disagrees with yours on what "locking" symbolizes:
I think to cover all use cases, these three concepts should be independent of each other: closing should indicate the end of a discussion, without enforcing that (like hatting on wikitext talk pages). Locking should put technical obstacles in the way of submitting further comments, like the need for unlocking before posting, with the option to require certain user rights for unlocking. Summarizing should just create a topic header that goes beyond the topic title (and could then probably benefit from a better name).
Apart from that, I don't get why you guys portray the properties "round" and "flat" as mutually exclusive: common knowledge tells me that you as people interested in software development should be very familiar with items that are both flat and round ;-) — HHHIPPO 20:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
The way I see it, "lock" should be an admin-only right, with only admins able to lock and only admins able to unlock. This would be the practice for articles for deletion and other time-limited discussions - and might occasionally be needed temporarily to prevent misconduct, so there would need to be a time-limited option like for page protection (locked for the next 3 days and such)
A weaker "close" option should be available to all editors, and unclosable by all editors, no time limits required.
Hide is good as is, and is handy for off-topic posts. If a series of posts is off-topic, you could split it off in a new topic and then hide that, with the hide summary of off-topic. The split topic could instead be moved to another talk page if appropriate there. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:37, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Scanning for topics of interest is much harder than with the current Talk page format. Thus it's really important to have a table of contents. Are there plans to have TOC for Flow pages? If so, could you implement it here so we can see what it looks like? Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 22:43, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Regular text Small text Big text Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:55, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Test new post metadata Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 20:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
The title says it all 65.175.250.58 ( talk) 09:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
That is what the Wiki Foundation plans, after a lot more development work, of course. I would assume that once they implement it everywhere, it will simply be called "talk" and the flow name will be mostly dropped. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:19, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The reasion I say they are parsing expression grammars, is simply that when you write a grammar rule it is executed in the order you write it. In the meta language a parsing rule is a conditional expression. You as the compiler writer control the order of parsing. If you write as one would in bnf it wont work. For example the following left recursive rule:
expr = expr | expr '+' term;
will be an infinite loop. Rules are made up of tests and control structures with occasional calls to code productions. A rule is a test, a function that return success or failure. As a programmer you are programming tests against the input stream. And like most programming languages it does exactly what you tell it to do. That may not be what you intended. For illustration say we compile expr above, as a meta compiler would do, to C++ naked asm function. It would generate code (not the comments) exactly following the rule testing sequance as written. (inside _asm{} C++ // commenting is used for better explanaton)
static char plus_OPR[] = "+"; __declspec(naked) void expr () { _asm { // = expr | expr '+' term; call expr // expr <<<<<<======== Bad news here. je l2 call expr // | expr jne l2 push offset plus_OPR // '+' call _CmpStr jne l2 call term // term l2: ret // ; }} // Hand compile time as fast as I could type it. Extra time for comments!!
In the above example generated code the first thing expr does is call it's self a never ending recursive loop. Not really as it would quickly run out of stack and generate an exception. This specific blunder can easily be detected at compile time. These language do not interpret your intentions. The simply and rightfully compile the expression as written. The programmer decide how the source is to be parsed. Right or wrong.
The programmer has control of the parsing order. expr in CWIC would be written as:
expr = term (('+':ADD|'-':SUB) expr !2 |.empty);
The :ADD, :SUB and !2 are tree generation elements of CWIC. Above expr is defined as a term followed by a plus or minus term or just a term by the empty alternate. After recognizing term. The parser function then looks for a (+|-) The grouping says that if neither a + or - is recognized the .empty alternate is taken. .empty is always successful, allowing a single term to be recognized. But if a + or - is recognized a turm must follow. If the second term is not recognized it would be a backtrack failure. Not only would term fail but all rules back to a back track point. Probably the whole statement containing the error-ed expression.
Generating:
__declspec(naked) void expr () { _asm { // = (('+':ADD|'-':SUB) expr !2 |.empty); call term // = term je l2 // succes | failure retuned in processor status z flag l1: ret // returns failure l2: push offset plus_OPR // (('+' call _CmpStr // matchs a string skiping white space jne l3 push offser ADD_Node // :ADD jmp l5 l3: push offset dash_OPR // | '-' call _CmpStr // je l4 cmp al,al ret // return success l4: push offser ADD_Node // :SUB l5: call _node call expr // expr) je l6 mov esp,ebp // long backtrack fail ret // return l6: mov ecx,2 jmp _tree // !2 }}// With all the generated tags l1: l2: etc this took a bit longer aa I was trying to make it readable.
The right recursion generates a right handed tree. Given a+b-c would produce: ADD[a,SUB[b,c]]
ADD / \ a SUB / \ b c
It can be written to generate a left handed tree using the zero or more $ operator:
expr = term $(('+':ADD|'-':SUB) term !2);
Given the same expression a+b-c would generate a left handed tree, SUB[ADD[a,b],c]
SUB / \ ADD c / \ a b
Both of the above generate a tree. The programmer has program control parsing and production. A list can be generated of desired:
expr = <term $(('+'|'-':MNS) term !1)>:SUM!1;
Produces:
SUM[[a,b,MNS[c]]] SUM | [ ] / | \ a b MNS | b
Concerning the "meta compiler" I think that because their documentation describes the parser language as bnf like has confused the issue. I have been using these meta compiler concepts for a lot of years. Never used yacc. Why would I. It's primitive. The first compiler I wrote, based on CWIC (Compiler for Writing and Implementing Compilers), was SLIC (System of Languages for Writing Compiler) which I extended adding languages to do in sequence optimizations and produce code for any computer. Other compilers I worked on were implemented in PASCAL and or assembly on a early micro computers. A lot of concepts I used writing compilers in PASCAL were from my experience with SLIC. That brings me to my point. Everybody I know, that has used one of the meta compilers, has worked on them. That's the nature of these beasts. That makes for possible conflict of interest to be raised. I think that the compiler technology should not be lost. The secret classification that was slapper on CWIC by the U.S. government in the early 70s probably is the reason this technology isn't known well today.
The meta compiler do not use a contest free grammer. The programmer had control. The grammer is a recursive decent LR grammar.
As an example here is an example of the meta description of a meta compiler. Meta compilers are recursive decent top down compilers. There is a top level driving rule. In the following example program is that top rule. This is no different then main in c or C++. Here program is equivalent to main.
/* CC (COMPILER COMPILERS) Mine compiler driver starts with Program. */ program = $ declarations; declarations = "#" dirictive | comment | global DECLAR(*1) |(id (grammar PARSER(*1) | sequencer GENERATOR(*1) | optimizer ISO(*1) | pseudo_op PRODUCTION(*1) | emitor_op MACHOP(*1))) || ERRORX("!Grammer error") garbol); grammar = ( ':' class :CLASS // parse character class rule | ".." token :TOKEN // parse token rule | "==" grammar :BCKTRAK // parse a ankered grammar rule | '=' grammar :GRAMMAR // this grammar can long fail. )';'!2 // Combine name and rule tree $(-break -"/*" .any);
-- Fram ( talk) 13:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I see scroll bars on mine; should probably make use of the empty space I have to the right of this Pizza1016 ( talk | contribs) 13:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Yep. That needs to be fixed. The way Flow reacts to resizing the browser window or the font doesn't help either. There should be at least an option to use all the available horizontal space in such cases.
I don't get the point of the vertical scroll bar at all. My browser has one already, and I use it a lot on Flow boards... — HHHIPPO 13:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Interesting, my experience is different than everyone else's. I don't see a horizontal scroll bar at all, just a vertical one. What does need to be eliminated, in my opinion, is to not have scroll bars within scroll bars, which causes problems for those using mouses or trackpads to scroll. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 14:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Bug-wise:
Design-wise:
Follow these steps: 1) Go to a flow page 2) Click to switch to a topics-only or small topics view 3) Pick a topic and follow the permalink.
The topic page will be on the topics-only view and you will not be able to expand it. MacOS 10.7 with latest version of Chrome. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 07:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Modified test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Separate post in topic Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:23, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
{{afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=We are much better off without this}}
{{subst:#ifeq:{{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}|0|2}}|PageName||
}}
We are much better off without this Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Needless to say, we will need to re-write our templates for this to work Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
{{uw-vandal1}} Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 06:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Actually, they need to change the template code so that substituting works. Those templates above should never appear as template code and should always appear expanded. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Note, these pages (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Page) are not in a talk namespace (it's more of a process than an unstructured discussion). Even when Flow is ready to roll out more widely to talk pages, I don't think it will include such non-talk pages at that stage. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:59, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, they're not talk pages only on a technicality, so they have to be rolled out eventually. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
While designing Flow, we've looked at eventually supporting dedicated workflows beyond basic discussion. The idea of workflows is that they would include custom processes, not simply the same kind of Flow threads as everywhere else.
Deletion discussions are mentioned explicitly as a use case for Flow, and it may be one of those workflows.
However, we're not at that stage yet. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 23:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Vanjagenije (talk), Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying, Quiddity (WMF) ( talk))
clouds Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:04, 28 October 2014 (UTC) (Edited by Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying)
Clouds are evil Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 07:34, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Which clouds? Vanjagenije (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Lorem ipsum -Fimatic ( talk | contribs) 01:44, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I flow. Prototime ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ – Prototime ( talk · contribs) 17:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The timestamp is merely "active 2 minutes ago" and "edited 2 minutes ago"? No bueno. From the below topics, it looks like conversations eventually obtain an actual timestamp, but I'd prefer that right away, with any "x minutes ago" or x weeks ago" message being supplementary. – Prototime ( talk · contribs) 17:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
If you hover over the 'x minutes ago' you get an actual timestamp, and ISTR that which shows may be made into a preference, or at least that's a planned feature addition. JohnBlackburne words deeds 17:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I just edited this comment. CamelCase ( Talk | Contribs) 03:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Why does this say I made this comment 45 years ago? CamelCase ( Talk | Contribs) 03:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Fixed now. CamelCase ( Talk | Contribs) 03:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Comment -Fimatic ( talk | contribs) 15:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
test Hinmatóowyalahtqit ( talk) 11:56, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Creating a top level node; so of course it's named after the hand in the Adams Family MadScientistX11 ( talk) 00:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Oiyarbepsy, is it possible to point out the aspects of the article that come across as 'promo-y'? (I've read the guidelines and I was warned pretty strongly against promotional edits by the Wikipedian who gave me a brief talk on Wikipedia & its' aims, I obsessed for quite a while before I uploaded this version, I considered that upcoming dates would be an issue...is that it?) OsizUrUnkle ( talk) 16:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Actually in hindsight I shouldn't have got most of my info from press releases...I've tried to do some damage control now, I hope it's better OsizUrUnkle ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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User talk:Oiyarbepsy/December 2014 (1)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at
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13:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I guess this (and the thread below (as I write)) counts as a mis-use of Flow. It looks like two contributions, has two sigs, but also has a Flow user 'sig' and time stamp, but only one. It took me a few seconds looking at it to realise all that, but I that's as I'm used to looking at threaded conversations like that copied so it looks very natural. If Flow is ever rolled out probably guidelines will be needed on how to best quote/copy old style threads so it's clear they are quotes/copies. JohnBlackburne words deeds 03:14, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes it is a misuse - I created both Topic so I could create a mock-up of an idea I have. Feel free to completely disregard. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 03:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Just testing 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
This lasted very long. 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
How can I replay to level 2 comment? 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that when you add the title of a book, film, album, magazine, or TV series to an article, it should be italicized by adding two single apostrophes on either side ('' ''). Titles of television episodes, short stories and songs should be placed within quotation marks. More detail can be found in the
Wikipedia Manual of Style. Thank you.
Vanjagenije
(talk)
00:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that when you add the title of a book, film, album, magazine, or TV series to an article, it should be italicized by adding two single apostrophes on either side ('' ''). Titles of television episodes, short stories and songs should be placed within quotation marks. More detail can be found in the
Wikipedia Manual of Style. Thank you.
Vanjagenije
(talk)
01:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Does tex work? Testing: 85.212.17.126 ( talk) 18:50, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
fruit everywhere. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 17:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Just tried replying with {{banana}} and get an error:
A remarkably low limit. Editors often e.g. copy and paste chunks of pages or discussions onto talk pages which can easily be larger than that. JohnBlackburne words deeds 18:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, apples. Quiddity II ( talk) 19:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Another test. 69.105.137.146 ( talk) 10:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
This is another test, also of mathematics. 69.105.137.146 ( talk) 10:08, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
<math>x=y+z+\int_0^1 t \, dt</math>
phab:T78725 SPage (WMF) ( talk) 23:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 14:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors}}
Requests | Drives | Blitzes | Mailing list | Newsletters |
Template:/Left panel | Template:/Right panel |
[[Category:Wikipedia copy editing]] [[Category:Wikipedia WikiProjects|Guild]] [[Category:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors| ]] Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 14:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
{{GOCE award|award=articles|place=2|number=32}} Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 17:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
{{User:Quiddity (WMF)/sandbox2|article=test}} Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:27, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
{{User:Quiddity (WMF)/sandbox|article=test}}
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Hi S8tlwqzsjokxw2ay, I've begun working on the copy-edit you requested at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page for the article test. Please feel free to contact me and to correct or revert my edits if necessary. |
Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:50, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
This is good to see. I got it pointed out to me ironically after I tried to improve the top of the Evolution page by pointing out that evolution is not strictly a biological process. Well, to make a long story short, that didn't go over so well, I ended up banned for a few days, and the page (and it's disambiguation page) continue to evolve... in spite of not being biological. Just like this project is obviously doing. :) Keep up the good work. DonaldKronos ( talk) 18:54, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello, fellow editors testing Flow! MJ94 ( talk) 06:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Test Test! Sbaghdady ( talk) 14:17, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Tony Tan · talk, Sbaghdady ( talk))
Just another topic for testing Sbaghdady ( talk) 14:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Test reply
Edit: test Sbaghdady ( talk) 14:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Yep. That worked too. :) DonaldKronos ( talk) 14:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Risker ( talk), Pizza1016 ( talk | contribs))
Wonderful testing Pizza1016 ( talk | contribs) 03:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
does it really work? DF5GO • ☎ • 16:01, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
... Tony Tan · talk 20:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by 87.151.41.17 ( talk), — RHaworth ( talk · contribs))
A disruptive editor has moved Kuttiattoor Thittayil Sree Daivathar Temple to Topic:Kuttiattoor Thittayil Sree Daivathar Temple. But there seems to be no way of moving it back!
Clearly a block must be placed immediately on moving stuff into the topic: namespace. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 22:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
It's up for deletion, and will hopefully be speedied: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kuttiattoor Thittayil Sree Daivathar Temple (2nd nomination). Hopefully the closing admin will be able to delete it despite its location. Agree though being able to move stuff into and out of this namespace should not be possible. Either that or make it work both ways so disruptive or accidental moves can be undone, but that's probably much more work. JohnBlackburne words deeds 22:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the AfD was only started today and it is supposed to run for a week during which time people look at the article and contribute to the AfD discussion. Also if the decision is to delete, the deleted edits should be visible to admins, preferably on the right title. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 22:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
@ Quiddity (WMF): We need a WMF developer to fix this. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 22:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Thinking a little more long-term than this current crisis:
This isn't the first time Topic namespace has caused problems. See Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 14#Move not listed in the logs?, where we have an article about a journal whose title begins with "Topic:".
The answer is that Flow needs to be changed so that all Topic pages, whether having discussions or not, can have wikitext headers, that can be placed by any Wikipedia editor (unless, of course, an admin protects it). This would allow the article on the journal to have a link pointing to its current title, and would allow the Daivathar article to be recovered, by copy and paste if necessary. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 23:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm having trouble to access this page from phone. It is totally not working in Wikipedia app (android). Jim Carter 09:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
This is more testing. Hello World! Tony Tan · talk 20:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I am the Gotham .I have one model [R.m.s of model of atom] 59.97.40.151 ( talk) 09:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by JohnBlackburne words deeds, pablo, Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk))
Test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 01:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
(Changed back to normal size after screenshots were taken showing problem). Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 21:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
It works but it's rather large. Something like this would be better. JohnBlackburne words deeds 22:01, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
And this is another reason why paths need fixing in Flow. Anyone looking at 'what links here' for this image now sees the utterly confusing "Topic:Sdf3qvfyxvn5r4lo", with no indication of the thread title, page title or even what namespace it's in. JohnBlackburne words deeds 22:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
other thing
Hey I can edit posts (thanks EBernhardson)! EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk) 00:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC) (Edited by -24 Talk)
aaaaaa EBernhardson (WMF) ( talk) 00:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Everything I say is true! [2]
Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 01:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
We do not have an article on Barack Obama, the 44th president of the United States. A glaring omission if you ask me!
(This is a test for a potential use case of Flow as a means of requesting the creation of new articles. Let's see this works.) Harej ( talk) 20:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Error: no text specified ( help).
This should go in the Xn category. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 20:33, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Seems to be working. It lists the topic not the page though. This is a major break from how categories normally work, by page. Talk pages for example are usually in talk page + project categories. Anyway wonder what happens if I add another with a key?
[[Category:X1|大家好]] JohnBlackburne words deeds 20:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
More observations. Summary changes don't appear in the history. If summaries do anything meaningful such as add to categories, or probably even if they don't, they need to be listed in the history. Also I mistakenly used 'Z1' not 'X1' the first time I tried adding another cat to the summary. Oddly both are now listed. And if I hover over 'Z1' I see this listed as 'Topic:Selbmxmvhx79462g' in popups. JohnBlackburne words deeds 20:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for all the great feedback. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 22:47, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Blah blah blah Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Blah again Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
More blah Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
This is something I've often wanted to do on wikitalk pages, but then you can't see where one post ends and the next begins, so I've felt forced to indent when it wasn't really necessary. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
The most complicated talk page I've ever seen is the one at Phineas Gage. How would Flow cope with that beast? (I would link to the page, but there are no tools here to add a link. I suppose I could use wikitext markup, but that would be so retro. Oh, go on then, here it is Talk:Phineas Gage ) Talk to SageGreenRider 02:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
All Flow pages have a header section (like at the top of this one), so all that yellow stuff at the top would go in there. Since all wikitext is supported, collapsing a large chunk of content is easy using the templates we have. The Lock Topic option could be used to collapse a series of posts, as was done several times on that talk page. The big thing missing at the moment is sub-headings. I don't know if they're planning on adding this, but it's hard to imagine how it can happen on some of our pages without it. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Talk to SageGreenRider 17:26, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Often when I navigate to this page it's to a topic: that's just what I see in my talk page and I follow the link, read what's there, then use the 'up' link at the top of the page to go up a level to the whole talk page. But then how do I do the opposite? I can use back for the topic I've come from but there's no link to it, nor to any other topic.
Also while here, there's no obvious hide/collapse link, as you see on some forums (reddit for example). The ... has a 'hide' option but that's both non-obvious and an extra click. With all this white space it should be possible to add a link, so you can e.g. go down the topics clicking to hide/minimise them as you go. Again see Reddit where sub-threads within topics can become arbitrarily big so being able to hide them saves a lot of scrolling. JohnBlackburne words deeds 02:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
And Hide doesn't mean to temporarily hide it from yourself, it removes it from the discussion from everybody, unless someone restores it. Think if hide as being like revert, so you'd use hide to remove spam and other inappropriate content. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't know. And yes that works as you describe – see above. What it needs is a way to collapse a thread, temporarily and personally, i.e. just for yourself while reading, to save scrolling. JohnBlackburne words deeds 15:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, you used to be able to click on the title and shrink it. I guess they changed that? Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it was disabled when the table of contents was introduced. Supposedly no longer needed, but I would still like to have it. Ways to collapse a part of a topic I suggested a long time ago, never got any reply.
Btw: The text indicating a hidden comment is, err, suboptimal: "This comment..." what comment? The one above, the one below, a different one that we don't see? Probably the latter, but it doesn't make sense to use "this" to refer to something that's not there.
What's the rationale for mentioning the hiding editor here, rather than just in the history? Why not just "1 hidden comment (history)" ?
And while we're at it: "Wikitext uses markup." If I don't know that, then I don't know what wikitext is, so this sentence is either redundant or meaningless for anybody who reads it. A useful bit of information would be the fact that Flow uses wikitext (or something similar), but that's not said here.
Hmm. Didn't we have a preview button?
Is it a good idea to use the same label for a button that starts a reply (looks like a greyed out link, but works like a button), and for the one that submits the reply? To which of those does the license notice refer? — HHHIPPO 23:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Hippo, I don't see any confusion about the hidden comment notice. It's pretty obvious to me that the hidden comment was right where the note is now. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 01:05, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me then. Of course I know what it means but I don't find it obvious at all for someone who doesn't. Anyway, this detail should have low priority. I still hope we'll get a way to collapse sub-threads while reading without hiding them for others, and also better visual clues that make the new indentation system more intuitive and less ambiguous. Any of those changes will likely involve a redesign of the hidden comment notice anyway, so we can discuss it then. — HHHIPPO 14:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
As the heading says, if you try using Browse topics to jump to an old enough topic nothing happens. There's no indication of the cut off in the list, and the link that appears in the status bar is "Run script "void(0);" so no help at all. JohnBlackburne words deeds 17:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi all. Investigation is ongoing into a data-loss that was reported yesterday ( phab:T95580), which seems to have been caused by a maintenance script updating the database. This affects all topic titles and post contents on this board prior to 11 February 2015. The Operations team is currently assisting with data-recovery from backups. We'll post more information here when we have it. We apologize for not having full information for you right now. Post here if you have any questions; we'll keep this Topic updated when we know more. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 02:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: The developers have a plan for recovery. They're going to talk to a few more members of the Operations team, to confirm the exact details, and various options, before proceeding. That is estimated to be Monday at this point, due to various people being away for the weekend. For the current discussions, please continue as normal! I'll update this topic again, when we have more information. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 04:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello! I'm happy to say that all of the data has been restored, so all of the old conversations on this page are back where they belong. We've fixed the problem that allowed the data loss to happen, so it won't happen again. Thanks for your patience, and let me know if you have any questions! DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 18:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Cool thanks (testing the new indentation) JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Whenever I click a link on this page a Infobox appears asking wether I am sure I wish to leave the page since I have umcommited data even though I have not used the keyboard.
Data error on leaving comment. Comment was made on 16.04.2015, not 01.01.1970. Arcudaki ( talk) 11:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Some kind of markup language in subtitle visible. Arcudaki ( talk) 11:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Date error appears to be 45 years old: [7] Arcudaki ( talk) 11:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure they're gonna need details on your system and browser, since I'm seeing proper dates and no markup. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 12:56, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Testing Reply to reproduce wrong time. Arcudaki ( talk) 12:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
There you go:
Happens after posting a reply. Arcudaki ( talk) 12:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Again, post your browser and OS, cause I'm not seeing it. The developers need as many details as possible to fix bugs. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 16:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
The first bug (Leaving page confirmation) is Internet Explorer specific: [phab:T95909]]. -- If you're not using IE, please leave a note here or at phab:T72586 with details on your Operating System and browser (+version).
The second ("45 years ago)" should be fixed (but the fix isn't rolled out to here until next week) per phab:T92917.
Thanks for the reports. :-) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Testing effect of F5 192.166.53.199 ( talk) 12:21, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Large timelap between click on button and button disabeling. Check wether the after click image should be fetched earlier. 192.166.53.199 ( talk) 12:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Origianl post shows correct time. Reply post shows "45 years ago". Has the fix for IE been deployed ? 192.166.53.199 ( talk) 12:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
replied 2003:70:CE14:D30C:45C3:F41F:8729:79B5 ( talk) 21:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Origamite ⓣ ⓒ, 115.64.79.207 ( talk))
I really don't, but I'm willing to test it. Reply Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 01:20, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Reply to this
Origamite
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01:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
So this indents it, right? Does the username really have to be on top, instead of on the end of the message? Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 01:22, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
It only indents if you reply to something in the middle - that is, it only indents if it truly needs to indent. So, when you read it, a discussion between two users naturally reads as a conversation. A reply placed in the middle will indent, as I'll demonstrate in a second.
Testing what happens when I change someone else's post (this sentence added by SV).
flow-edit-post
) flag, which is currently given by default (on all wikis) to autoconfirmed+ (per
Special:ListGroupRights) and also if it's your own post for registered-but-not-autoconfirmed editors (per
phab:T90670).I guess, but sometimes I want to go off on a slight tangent, even though I know that other editors will be responding to the topic full-on. That's a good time to use end-of-conversation indentation, I think. Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 01:33, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
I really like the new indentation method, as one of those editors occasionally dealing with the question "now, at six levels of indentation, do I add another or use {{ od}} ?". Probably though it would not be too hard to get it introduced to existing talk pages, given enough time. Already it sort of exists in places like AfD discussions where editors post !votes and comments in order, only sometimes replying to an earlier contribution. Enough editors are fed up with the current approach, which is only a convention, to try something new I think. JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:15, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Are the blue-line indents meant to show what's new since the last time I opened the page? That's a feature I do like. Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 03:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
You see a blue/green line next to a post if you follow a link directly to a post: any of the links labelled 'comment' in the topic history. So an improvement over traditional talk pages which only take you to the section within the talk page (if it works as numerous things can break it). JohnBlackburne words deeds 19:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC) (Edited by Oiyarbepsy ( talk), Peter Damian ( talk))
That is a nice improvement; it's helpful when I'm getting linked from the alert. (Also, why does Flow have to look the same as a ping when I first log on? It's a bit nerve-wracking, only to find a glorified watchlist-entry.) Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 23:19, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
That is on the list of things being worked on in the notification system, i.e. Echo. See Phabricator T57359.
And you can disable the notifications for Flow if you want, and just have them e.g. for direct mentions, at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:24, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
And how do we 'diff' to someone's edit? You can only do it via the contribution history, AFAICS https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Topic:Sged8wqztnvjzv56&topic_postId=sgr4ljbemzhg5h5w&topic_revId=sgr4ljbemzhg5h5w&action=single-view Peter Damian ( talk) 18:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, that'll end the use of Special:Diff/1234567890. Don't think that's a good idea, but...I link through URLs generally anyways. Origamite ⓣ ⓒ 22:32, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Thought I'd add this to my watchlist to see how watchlisting works with Flow. It popped up with a message "You've subscribed to this discussion board!" This language only reinforces the view that WMF is trying to turn Talk pages into generic social media "discussion boards" and has no clue (or simply doesn't care) about the purpose of Wikipedia Talk pages. That may not have been your intent, but words matter. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 17:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
What are you talking about ? Facebook calls things either a discussion forum OR a message board... If anything your reaction shows how prejudiced people are about any improvements that the WMF is trying to make for all of us. Have you ever considered that no one in the whole wide world understands what a 'watch list' is ? Language is indeed REALLY important, and this shows that the WMF understands that.
Just because social media is so central and visible on so many different fronts doesn't make everything that uses HTML and/or Javascript 'social'. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Many of the Talk pages on articles that I edit say at the top "This is not a forum for general discussion about (the topic)." Use of the term "discussion boards" implies WMF wants to change that emphasis. You may consider that an improvement, but I'm not altogether convinced.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand the point of your comments about HTML and Javascript. (FWIW I've been writing HTML for many, many years, though I've never had any need for Javascript.) Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 18:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I support using the word "subscribe" since, unlike watchlist, people outside Wikipedia actually knows what it means. "Subscribed to this talk page topic" might be better, perhaps. And while our talk pages are not forums for discussion about the topic, they are forums for discussion about the article, so either way they are still forums, even if we use a different name than the rest of the web. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 21:15, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Using "subscribe" is a good idea. I doubt many people would insist on keeping the Wikispeak "watchlist" instead.
The concern is over the basic purposes of Talk pages. Do we want them to be tools for article improvement, or open-ended "discussion boards" for anyone and everyone to give their opinions about the general topic? Certainly more people are familiar with the concept of discussion boards than talk pages. But do we want Talk pages to be just like discussion boards at other sites? If not, a different name could help make the distinction. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 22:02, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
The technical operation and appearance of a board says pretty much zilch about the nature of the discussion. Pretty much every website has the same basic design for their forums, yet there is a huge difference between the discussions on YouTube versus Slate. Whatever we call it, by immediately hiding (meaning reverting) inappropriate posts, we'll make the point pretty damn quickly and new users will catch on. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 03:26, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Short Brigade Harvester Boris: I believe the word "board" was originally chosen, primarily to indicate that it works differently from a "page", in that a "flow board" is technically just a container for various components - currently just two types: "header/description" (1 per board) and "topic" (unlimited per board, and might be shared between boards (future feature) or wikis (future feature)); but other more complicated workflow components will be developed later.
[The plan, once the backend (which ties into our myriad other systems) and discussion component is a bit further along, is to make general-purpose non-restrictive components, with broad usage possibilities and variables, that each of the communities can then use as they wish, at various locations/location-types. Possibilities include: E.g. some sort of "checklist" component that is adaptable for the various types of peer review; E.g. some sort of !voting/consensus-finding component, which could be configured one way at Enwiki's RfA, and another way at Enwiki's AfD, (and etc), and which could perhaps show/group/sort/count the individual responses in various ways. -- I.e. Less complexity for editors to engage in processes, without having to memorize (or look-up every time) dozens of templates+variables. More time to re-read the policies/guidelines and editors' comments, and less time re-reading the process instructions.]
Re: "Board", a few people, including WMF staff, have suggested changing this bit of terminology. (and also "topic" and even "flow"). Naming Things is one of those complicated issues, that everyone has an opinion on! ;-)
Re: "Do we want them to be tools for article improvement [...]" - Yes. That is 100% the goal. (And to support more of the hundreds of related-types of discussion/process that take place around that central goal). For example, one idea that I like (which might be investigated more in the future), is to have topics able to be more closely associated with a specific piece of article-content - that could take the form of something like: a {{ clarify}} tag, which when clicked pops open a discussion in a modular-dialogue-window directly on the article page itself, inside which the unclear aspect would (ideally) be explained and discussed and resolved. This would help our discussions to be more closely connected to the development of the live version of the article itself, without everyone having to constantly flip back and forth between tabs, and keep track of the current wording via diffs, quite so much. (Hopefully that imagined feature is somewhat clearly explained. But if not, just dream it into a shape that you think would be good and achievable, and describe it! With the obvious caveat that any powerful new feature often comes hand-in-hand with new mis-use possibilities, and those will obviously need to be thought about and dealt/coped with, either socially or technically.)
Hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 20:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
...but when I reply here, my edit is not indented? Shock Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 00:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
The problem with no indent is the reader has no clue to what I am answering... I agree with you btw (removing text again - but I cant tell why - no edit summary) Christian75 ( talk) 22:54, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
From Special:Log/massmessage:
16:22, 4 May 2015 Delivery of "Tech News: 2015-19" to Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page failed with an error code of ntspamfilter
Interesting that someone added this page to its list. It clearly won’t work, or not the same way as it does on normal talk pages where it just dumps its content including heading on the page. (: seems to be deliberate to do with a task, so someone is looking into this already.)
But it does raise the point of how this and other automated messages will be handled. Arguably they don’t need a topic each, as they just need to be read and archived or deleted. Unless there was some way of marking them as automated, so users could hide them en-masse or have them auto-hide (or archive or delete) after they have been read. Or have them all added to a special topic, or even multiple special topics, so a user's talk page can have a 'tech news' topic, a 'signpost' topic, etc.. This would ease management by keeping them separate from normal topics. JohnBlackburne words deeds 15:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
The answer is cross-posting, that is, having a single topic appear on multiple talk pages. There would be a master page like Wikipedia:Talk/Tech News, and the topic would be initially posted there, and then immediately posted to all other flow pages that have requested to receive it. Individual users could elect to remove them from their talk pages when done, but they will remain on the master page no matter what. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 19:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Re: having a single topic appear on multiple talk pages - In the long-term, that's probably a good use-case for the newsletters and Flow.
In the shorter-term, there's an ongoing GSOC project to make a more powerful newsletter system: phab:T76199 ("Newsletter Extension for Mediawiki"). :-) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:14, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Cross-posting is the killer app. Better to implement sooner than later. Huge potential, that can solve are number one biggest talk page problem (which no one pro or anti flow has even mentioned once as far as I know) which is forgotten talk pages that get no responses. Automatically cross-posting to a notice board would solve this problem. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 02:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Failed again. Here's the log entry:
Delivery of " Tech News: 2015-20" to Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page failed with an error code of ntspamfilter JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Chinese: 中国 JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:24, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Another thing not working. Visual editor seems to be though, including templates. But it is odd in a couple of ways. It seems to default or change to visual editor unexpectedly, at least for me. Possibly as I used 'preview the result' which is normally an entirely different operation. Also the toggle for the visual editor is far from obvious, both the label of it and how it indicate on and off. JohnBlackburne words deeds 16:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, right now it saves your VE/wikitext preference based on your last state, which means that if you switch to VE as the preview, then it stays there when you open your next post. We're going to fix that, so that if you switch to VE and don't make any changes, your preference will stay wikitext. That'll be coming up in a little bit.
Thanks for your thoughts about the toggle -- we have a lot of different opinions about that in the team, and it's helpful to hear that this version doesn't work for you. :) DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 21:54, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
just testing... (However, the topic titles are waaaaaay to big for my liking) dudeprgm talkϝɑɼĸ 16:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 23:37, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
test DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:43, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Test Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 22:47, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
test w/ sandwich DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
twice DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
of the century, test DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
currants DannyH (WMF) ( talk) 22:51, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
@ DannyH (WMF): very trial, so wow 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:27, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
ah, some mark up 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
How to tell people why their edits are reverted without edit summaries? Christian75 ( talk) 22:58, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Adding edit summaries to any "Content change", is task phab:T59894.
(Oh, and thanks for the feedback. Note that I only saw it here at this test page by chance. Placing feedback/questions/suggestions/requests/etc at the main WT:Flow would be ideal. :-) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I commented here: Wikipedia talk:Flow#I can't see the board right now but worth mentioning also here. Seems the header is doing new and interesting things, if the page is wide enough. Problems
More about that bug - it works fine on a topic page, since there's no header, but on the main talk page, it don't work. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 15:29, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't look as if it affects the topic page, or at least I can't see any difference.
Probably it's something that needs to be configurable per page. I mean right now on a normal page if you want headers across the top, or down the side, or more likely headers across the top and navigation links down the side, then you can achieve it with wikitext. This is used on many discussion based project pages – WP:A/R for example. Editors will want to be able to do something similar on Flow pages. And also on topic pages where appropriate. Having an automatic header for each topic would greatly facilitate some sorts of discussions. JohnBlackburne words deeds 18:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
So, I removed that script and it's working now. Now if I hit that close box, the header info disappears and I have the full width for discussion. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
@ JohnBlackburne: Quick replies:
@ Oiyarbepsy: Sorry the script caused confusion. I had removed my own copy a while ago, to test other things. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 22:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Quiddity, I think it might be a good idea to have a header at the top and the side. The top header would be reserved for extremely important messages that are specific to the page, things like "This is not the place to contest a page deletion. Please see blah blah blah." The side would be for lower-importance things like wikiprojects and merge notices.
There also might be case where we want the sidebar to appear on topic pages, which would be a nice option. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 23:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
A per-topic header and/or sidebar would actually have significant benefits. There are many noticeboards and similar which consist of lots of sections with identical headers. AfD, TfD, CfD, MfD, RfD, Arb/R, DYK nominations. Some of these exist all one one page, some on separate pages which get transcluded into a index page.
Flow already has a cleaner split between topic and index, without requiring lots of little pages. Adding topic headers, that get added to every topic on page, would make it much easier to build and maintain such noticeboards by generating the per-AFD, per-RFD, per-DYK headers automatically. These could appear one way on the topic, another way in the index, using something like the noinclude/includeonly mechanism used by templates like {{ tfd}} JohnBlackburne words deeds 00:10, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Some people had my flowidth script installed. That was really messing up the layout. I have now disabled the logic of my script, since it cannot easily be fixed.
All it's users now do get my CSS changes, however, so that's also nice :) — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
niec Anders Feder ( talk) 15:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Bloody Hell. Utopiantos ( talk) 20:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I experimented a bit with the tmbox styling, now that we have the side rail:
Add @import url( '//en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:TheDJ/flowheader.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css' ) as the first line in your common.css file. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
tumdidum 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:18, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
After & Before screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/KZ7O5nJ.png
Thanks, TheDJ. :) Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 20:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by JohnBlackburne words deeds, 89.0.241.109 ( talk))
it's indeed a new topic 89.0.241.109 ( talk) 15:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Hmm... is it indeed new? Maybe I am just being too skeptic.
BTW: Linking by selecting from the Link menu does not seem to work...
Edit: Ahh... they do work afterwords, but while editing you cannot check them because they point to the wrong namespace! Antilope ( talk) 23:30, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
qwertyuiop ~~~~ 188.31.3.119 ( talk) 00:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
(Topic title edited by Tito Dutta ( talk), Jim Carter)
MWTTT Jim Carter 10:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
test Shiti ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello World! Pavanaja ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
test2 Shiti ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Tito Dutta (
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10:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello World! Anuragbihani94 ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
test again Jim Carter 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
नमस्कार :) Suyog talk to me! 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ. :) Csyogi ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
HI Everyone. Jnana here. Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) talk 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
This is so awesome! Psubhashish ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hey Ananth subray ( talk) 10:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hi everyone Madhusarthij ( talk) 10:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello everyone,my name is Jim Carter and you already know it. Jim Carter 10:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hello Nachhattardhammu ( talk) 10:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi All 106.206.138.169 ( talk) 10:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Who is this? Please sign in if you have an account. Tito Dutta ( talk) 10:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
While Flow is good but it's not totally working in the mobile websites. Besides, did anyone tried opening this page on mobile Wikipedia app. Jim Carter 10:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
No I am not going to sign in. 106.51.138.41 ( talk) 10:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Jnanaranjan sahu: କଣ କରୁଛ :P Shiti ( talk) 10:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Satdeep Gill:hello Nachhattardhammu ( talk) 10:12, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
hello @ Anuragbihani94: Abhinavgarule ( talk) 10:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Just now I tried Dineshkumar Ponnusamy ( talk) 17:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
hi everyone Madhusarthij ( talk) 05:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello Abhinavgarule ( talk) 11:37, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
test 170.29.64.4 ( talk) 21:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
(Topic title edited by Anders Feder ( talk), Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation ( talk))
I'm just testing Flow. Nothing Something particularly interesting.
Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (
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Anders Feder (
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Hello, world! Kevin12 x d 17:55, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Edited twice Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 01:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
As I noted in my last edit, I can't see what I'm typing. Please fix that.
09:35, July 13, 2015 Elvey( t• c) 16:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I can't type here for a while. And I can't tell if anyone replied by looking at my contributions page. Elvey( t• c) 17:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Re: the "(Current)" label, that issue is tracked at phab:T69325, and I've now updated it with many more details. Thanks for the reminder.
When you write "I can't type here for a while." - does that refer to a separate issue, or to the aforementioned contrast issue? Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 15:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
That's a separate issue. Just takes a while for the javascript to run to make tthis edit window appear. It displays moving diagonal lines while it's loading. Sometimes it's slow, sometimes not. I guess you're already aware of it. Probably faster than a full page load after an [edit] click by far. (And yes, I'm typing this blind.) Sorry for any typos... Elvey( t• c) 16:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
...andThanks! Elvey( t• c) 16:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
This is my first time using Flow. On talk pages, I tend to propose a lot of wiki code, so that's what I'm here to test. Here goes:
=== Example heading ===
Feedback: As soon as I started typing <code>
, a popup appeared in the upper right corner of my browser window explaining that wiki code has been detected and providing instructions to switch to Wikitext editor. However, I see three problems immediately. First, that popup disappeared after about five seconds--half the time required to see it and read it. Second, it suggested that I select Wikitext editor from the dropdown next to the "Save page" button, but there is no such button--only an "Add topic" button because I'm making the first thread post. Thirdly, there's no dropdown next to the "Add topic" button either; all that's needed is a click of the </> button. –
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Thanks! I've filed this as phab:T107100 Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
if I leave the <code> ]]unclosed like that. </code>
<s>I can't wish there was a strikethrough oprion in the menue (and other typographical thing which exist in VisualEditor).</s>
Anyways... I press italics above, then wrote somethings, and press enter, which cased the italics to be turned off automatily for the text which i'm writing in this paragraph, not sure if I wanted that....Te
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Josve05a (
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22:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
One reason againt Flow is that it is impossible to customiz the page (much), therefore I'm suggesting if it were possible to perhaps let user chose which colors everything on the page has, froma list of colorpalets, like "a green theme, different shades of green", or ...you get my drift. Pre-made color palets, but let the user chose which s/he wants? ( t) Josve05a ( c) 22:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Anyway, customization is already doable. It's HTML styled with CSS, so you could change the appearance in Special:MyPage/common.css . I just changed the topic titlebar with
.flow-topic-titlebar {
background: goldenrod;
}
If someone came up with a nice palette, others could @import url()
it or develop a gadget to enable it. But that's pretty geeky. Every official preference or theme adds complexity and support burden (I'm going to forget I did the above and wonder why Flow looks weird to me :-) ).
(Disclaimer: I don't work on the fine WMF Collaboration team developing Flow.) SPage (WMF) ( talk) 05:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
RE: We need your suggestions and feedback at WT:Flow: It wasn't really a real suggestiong, just trying out Flow, and then if someone saw it at the same time, then great :)
Thanks for the code BTW, gotta earn how to code in css... bah! ( t) Josve05a ( c) 06:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Testing a new reply. I must say, while it does have at least several small improvements, I am not a fan of this new flow discussion system. Maybe it just takes a while to get used to, but I miss the simplistic code writing, like in the old present normal standard Wikipedia.
How do I delete this topic and reply? Do not delete it, just tell me how to do it, please. Utopiantos ( talk) 20:15, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not just us getting used to Flow, but also Flow getting used to us as it's further developed ;-)
With the </> 'button' you can change the edit field to use wiki markup, if that's what your missing.
Deleting a topic or post is called 'hide' in the '...' menus. Nothing is ever actually deleted from the database, just like with normal wiki pages, so 'hide' is maybe not too bad a name. — HHHIPPO 21:19, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
To clarify, an administrator can actually delete a post. Think of hide like "revert" and delete like "revision delete" on wikitalk pages. If you hide your post, any user could unhide it, but if an admin deletes it, only an admin could restore it. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 21:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
And the admin can restore it because it's not actually deleted from the database, only hidden from normal users. But you're right, that action is most similar to what we usually call 'delete'. — HHHIPPO 06:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
test Notification test 2015-08-13 ( talk) 02:23, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Test Notification test 2015-08-13 ( talk) 02:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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( t) Josve05a ( c) 19:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
So, this is what the future of Wiki Discussions looks like ... I'm actually impressed. Much better than the old text system though at least you got to learn a small bit of coding ;P Testing - @ Drcrazy102:, and now we can even search users instead of having to Cut-and-paste their User name.
Hope this passes onto the main site soon! Nice job WikiDevs! Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 09:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
It looks like you have to search, otherwise it looks like this Drcrazy102 (links are copied in my browser) - but I cant search for non-latin letters... (I know I could unlink it again, but ... btw I cant figure out how to fix the link so its only links to DRcrazy102 without loosing the first text) and another issue. When pressing the link to remove it, I cant see remove because a suggestion box appears and hide the "remove" button, but I can see the cancel bottom (which means I would cancel and think that its impossible to remove just the link). Christian75 ( talk) 09:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, Christian75, this has just shown me a small problem in replying. I can't use the "+[image of person]"/"user search" to insert a user-link.
I am assuming when you say "otherwise it looks like this", that you mean you have to do a "link search" opposed to a "user search"? That seems to be the same problem as what I just experienced, so it may be a problem with the reply coding (at a guess, I don't really know quite how coding works, so *shrugs*).
In regards to the "remove link". Have you tried clicking outside of the search box and then seeing what happens? Since the search box seems to use an auto-pop-up function, the common work around is clicking somewhere else on the 'dialog' box (I think is the correct term), in this case the "link search" box. Give it a try and see if that works, though I would think that the Devs would probably change the layout to avoid that problem though they may not be aware of it, at this stage.
Still looks better than the current dialog box though, yes? Seems to have, or at least aims to have once bugs are dealt with, the same functionality as the old but with a much nicer UI.
And I just realised what the "</>" was for: switching between the text-based version of the message and the pretty version. ^V^
Damnit, now I have to go and use the old system. At least, the old system has a list of functions which helps me a lot, just another thought for the Devs to consider amongst many. Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 10:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Oranges Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Foo Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 00:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Foo Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 00:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Bar Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 01:09, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Baz Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 01:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
ing Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 02:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
When will this new talk page interface be enabled on other Wikimedia talk pages? Jarble ( talk) 02:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
It is rolling out gradually to various projects For instance, we recently converted all of the LiquidThreads pages on MediaWiki.org to Flow, so there are now a significant number of Flow boards there. It's also on a namespace on Catalan Wikipedia. If you're interested in using it, please see mw:Flow/Request_Flow_on_a_page or contact us. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 02:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
With feeling Test 2015-08-18 ( talk) 03:45, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Mention @ Mattflaschen-WMF: Test 2015-08-19 ( talk) 00:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
After deploying end the occupation wgFlowOccupyPages patch. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 00:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
External link: http://www.google.com 195.144.78.222 ( talk) 15:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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A googol is the large number 10100. In decimal notation, it is written as the digit 1 followed by one hundred 0s:
The term was coined in 1920 by 9-year-old Milton Sirotta (1911–1981), nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner. [1] Kasner popularized the concept in his 1940 book Mathematics and the Imagination. [2] Other names for googol include ten duotrigintillion on the short scale, ten thousand sexdecillion on the long scale, or ten sexdecilliard on the Peletier long scale.
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(and now a paste, using a copy direct from the article (whilst not in editing mode), into Flow's VisualEditor editing-mode.)
A googol is the large number 10100. In decimal notation, it is written as the digit 1 followed by one hundred 0s:
The term was coined in 1920 by 9-year-old Milton Sirotta (1911–1981), nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner. [1] Kasner popularized the concept in his 1940 book Mathematics and the Imagination. [2] Other names for googol include ten duotrigintillion on the short scale, ten thousand sexdecillion on the long scale, or ten sexdecilliard on the Peletier long scale. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 20:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
== User profiles for Mobiles ==
Hi Lila! Today, I discovered for the first time a Special Page "user profile" at deWP. It is, sadly, not listed at [[:de:Special:SpecialPages]] so that I do not know if the same exists The feature seems to exist at all Wikimedia projects (see i.e. [[Special:UserProfile/Martina Nolte|here]] and at [[c:Special:UserProfile/Martina_Nolte|Commons]]).
This "user profile" shows your last edit in the project including an
article's first image, your last upload at Wikimedia Commons, the last
"Thank you" to that user, his or her amount of uploads at Commons, the
amount of edits in the particular project. The results of such a
"profile" can be very puzzling and even somehow misleading like in [https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Benutzerprofil/Achim_Raschka this example] (derived from [[:de:Spezial:Benutzerprofil/Achim_Raschka]]). In [[:de:Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#nur_nicht_aufregen.2C_denn_...|a discussion]] at the German ''Signpost''
equivalent "Kurier", we wonder if we could deactivate these profiles if
the communty would decide to do so? Whom would we have to address?
Thanks for your time and consideration. -- ) 19:49, 24 February 2015
(UTC)/21:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)(((Name removed to avoid ping)))
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: Hey Lila. I want to keep myself short, but still it's some more words I want to speak out related to the "user profile" issue pointed out by Martina in particular and based on that some more general words on the WMF's software development process.
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Problem: Flow locked the show/hide template in SHOW mode, locking in the display of phonographic images. As I understand it this is "by design", so it's a design bug and not a software bug.
The next user to come along (very reasonably) considered the images to be potentially disruptive. The only way to fix the Flow failure was to DELETE the content From Flow.
BUG: I tried to view the original version in history. The version in displayed by history did not match what was actually displayed at that time. This is real problem. It rendered with the images HIDDEN, and I was shocked to find that the show/hide button worked.
BUG: I tested reverting that deletion. Flow completely mangled the revert. The images are gone, the links are gone, the template is gone. Alsee ( talk) 18:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Alsee, thanks for the notes. The collapse template seems to be locked in "show" mode upon the initial save, but if I refresh the page, it is properly showing as collapsed. Hence the disparity you saw when looking at the old revision. I've filed a bug for this as phab:T112332.
Re: reverting. After much further testing, I've narrowed down the problem, and filed phab:T112338. This was working the last time I tried it, so is a new bug; thanks for discovering it. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 21:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank User:Dcljr|dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format): RfC started 14:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC) (((username de-linked to avoid ping)))
There's a button you can click at the top right that makes it full-width, which makes a huge difference. Also, there is talk of getting rid of the scrollbar in a scrollbar, but it's probably a little down on the priorities list. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 03:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Expanding the width does not fix it. The content is butchered. Alsee ( talk) 03:38, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Removing the scrollbar is phab:T76821. Re: the table:
Please could you describe what steps you followed, to create the above table? (I.e. Which source version you used, which edit-mode in Flow you pasted it into, and what tweaks you did before saving aside from unlinking the username). It seems to be missing the entire header row, and has the closing I don't use VE. I went to the Talk page. I copied, including text from above the table. I copied down, including text from below the table. I don't touch the table at all. The table was safely between normal sentences that I copied as a single chunk. I pasted. I unlinked. I saved. (Actually I think the last time I tried this I pasted it into WindowsNotepad to preform the unlink edit, then recopied and pasted here). In my more recent thread on the same board, I needed to paste in smaller tables. (Copied from lower in the same Field's Medal RFC discussion). I tried toggling </> to paste each way, neither seemed to work. I deleted the smaller table before saving. P.S. I Told Danny I had Twinkle and probably something else - I just remembered that the "something else" is WikiEd.I'm pretty sure I have nothing unusual. Alsee ( talk) 19:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format) (Large table for discussion - not included here) Alsee ( talk) 17:01, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
There are other tables in the article in which they contain information about fields medalists.Should the above table replace with them? Alsee ( talk) 17:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC) Test results: You cannot mix top posting and bottom posting. The result is an incoherent spaghetti. Alsee ( talk) 17:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC) Test results: Flow information density, assuming Wikitext =100% Default mode = 41% Wide mode = 48% Awful. Yeah yeah, I read the FAQ:Why does it look like Facebook. I'm telling you, it's wrong. I've seen people citing this as a comical example of how out of touch the WMF and Flow are. Go to your programmers, tell them you're giving them a new development environment. Tell them that the new programming environment only displays 48% as much code on the screen at a time. Then tell them that the decision is based on "elaborate [Facebook] user research and A/B testing to find what works best". They won't be amused. Alsee ( talk) 17:13, 15 September 2015 (UTC) test pasting raw wikitext, from Talk:Fields Medal/Archive1, into Flow's wikitext editor-mode. (and unlinking username to prevent ping) Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank User:Dcljr|dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format): RfC started 14:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Test pasting a highlight of the rendered page section, into Flow's VE editor-mode. (and unlinking username to prevent ping)
Third test, pasting wikitext into VE editor-mode (checking the autoconversion). . (and unlinking username to prevent ping) Hello Everyone,I prepared a table for Fields Medal page which,in my opinion,would help us to reach a consensus about edits which have to be done to the page.Of course,I did my best to make it as complete as I could.I think it can be replaced with existing table in the article.(I must greatly thank dcljr for proposing a new and excellent table format): RfC started 14:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Link to Talk:Flow_QA 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC) Well, that page is on beta - that's not going to work... Let's try Wikipedia:Flow 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC) And another one: Wikipedia:Flow 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:22, 14 September 2015 (UTC) What about Talk:Sandbox? 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 09:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC) Another link to Wikipedia:Flow 178.117.161.207 ( talk) 10:00, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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Nowiki version, pasted in wiki mode: {| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1ex auto 1ex auto"|-| Year! [[International Congress of Mathematicians#List of Congresses|ICM]] location! Medalists! Institution (At the time of receiving the medal) ! Birthplace! Current/Last residency! Current/Last Institution|-|rowspan=2| 1936|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|Norway}} [[Oslo]]| [[Lars Ahlfors]]| [[University of Helsinki]]| {{flagicon|Finland}}| [[United States]]| [[Harvard University]]|-| [[Jesse Douglas]]| [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]]| {{flagicon|US}}| [[United States]]| [[City College of New York]]|-|rowspan=2| 1950|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|US}} [[Cambridge, Massachusetts|Cambridge]]| [[Laurent Schwartz]]| [[University of Nancy]]| {{flagicon|France}}| [[France]]| [[Université de Paris VII]]|-| [[Atle Selberg]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]| {{flagicon|Norway}}| [[United States]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]|} Alsee ( talk) 15:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC) (Edited by Keegan ( talk))
Pasted in wiki mode: Pasted in Visual mode: {| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1ex auto 1ex auto"|-| Year! [[International Congress of Mathematicians#List of Congresses|ICM]] location! Medalists! Institution (At the time of receiving the medal) ! Birthplace! Current/Last residency! Current/Last Institution|-|rowspan=2| 1936|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|Norway}} [[Oslo]]| [[Lars Ahlfors]]| [[University of Helsinki]]| {{flagicon|Finland}}| [[United States]]| [[Harvard University]]|-| [[Jesse Douglas]]| [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]]| {{flagicon|US}}| [[United States]]| [[City College of New York]]|-|rowspan=2| 1950|rowspan=2| {{flagicon|US}} [[Cambridge, Massachusetts|Cambridge]]| [[Laurent Schwartz]]| [[University of Nancy]]| {{flagicon|France}}| [[France]]| [[Université de Paris VII]]|-| [[Atle Selberg]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]| {{flagicon|Norway}}| [[United States]]| [[Institute for Advanced Study]]|} Alsee ( talk) 15:49, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Trying again in visual mode: visual Alsee ( talk) 15:54, 15 September 2015 (UTC) wikitext None of the tests work. When I go back to a regular Wikipage and paste and preview it works fine. Alsee ( talk) 15:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC) That was a small test. How do I delete of large quantities of spam/disruption??? Alsee ( talk) 17:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC) It ought to be possible to convert the new discussion format to the old format, and vice versa. Have you asked the developers about this? Jarble ( talk) 22:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC) The WMF built something to convert LiquidThreads to Flow. They plan to deal with wikitext pages by archiving them. The WMF wants to dump wikitext pages and fully deploy Flow, so converting Flow to wikitext is not something they have much interest in. I'm not sure if they have a converter or not, but the results would be gross. Any large discussion would probably be essentially unreadable. Alsee ( talk) 05:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC) This is a fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC) This is fictional important discussion Alsee ( talk) 17:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC) How will spam replies be detected in this new talk page system? Jarble ( talk) 17:22, 18 September 2015 (UTC) What do you mean by 'detected'? Normally anyone can just delete spam/vandalism on sight. That fails on Flow. Alsee ( talk) 20:41, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
I hope it will be possible to convert the new discussion format to the old format, and vice-versa. Otherwise, it will be difficult for the anti-vandalism bots to do their work on the new talk page system. Jarble ( talk) 22:34, 18 September 2015 (UTC) Ah. Bots would almost certainly need to be reprogrammed to handle Flow pages. Alsee ( talk) 05:31, 19 September 2015 (UTC) epty8q9-4 =0t — azuki ( talk · contribs · email) 11:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC) The W.O.W begins his Final offenSive agaenst WiKiPedia N fORCES on Jan 16 — azuki ( talk · contribs · email) 11:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC) I don't understand this comment. What does it mean? Jarble ( talk) 18:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC) test test test test test — azuki ( talk · contribs · email) 22:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC) test5a Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC) test5b Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC) test5c Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 23:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC) Most Wikipedia talk pages have a search bar that allows editors to search the talk page archives, but this is missing in the Flow discussion format. Will this feature be added soon? Jarble ( talk) 22:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC) I suspect it is on the list of things to do as not only would it be useful but essential given how topics disappear off the end and only reload if you scroll down. You cannot even reliably know how much you are searching, if you do a text search on a topic page (if you try scrolling down more topics appear, so you never normally see 'the end'). JohnBlackburne words deeds 23:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC) The main tracking task (link hub, and notes compilation) for search development is phab:T76823 (most of the backend work is complete, and that task is tracking the required frontend work). They plan to restart work on that, after the upcoming focus on cross-wiki notifications and on complex workflows. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 16:33, 21 September 2015 (UTC) post 1 Alsee ( talk) 21:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
post 2 Alsee ( talk) 21:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC) = Error = <div id="bodyContent" class="mw-body-content"> <div id="siteSub">From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</div> </div> An error has occurred. Return to [[Main Page]]. <div class="errorbox">[a3b876d0] 2015-09-19 21:27:46: Fatal exception of type "Flow\Exception\FlowException"</div> Alsee ( talk) 21:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Error obtained by clicking this link from history page: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Topic:Sp8jefng2wemanet&action=compare-postsummary-revisions&topicsummary_newRevision=sp8jhb2mx0zokla0&topicsummary_oldRevision=sp8jizdv0emw1axz Alsee ( talk) 21:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC) Ping Quiddity (WMF) Alsee ( talk) 14:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC) Filed as phab:T113261. Thanks. Quiddity (WMF) ( talk) 17:50, 21 September 2015 (UTC) hn FlickrWarrior ( talk) 23:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC) hello Theoriefinder ( talk) 07:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC) is fixed. Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 00:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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Reply test. CabbagePotato ( talk) 05:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Tiny diffs! How cute. CabbagePotato ( talk) 05:24, 22 March 2016 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
(Topic title edited by — Andy W. ( talk), Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk)) 123 Mattflaschen-WMF ( talk) 23:51, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Re. QEDK ( T ☕ C) 06:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC) Re lvl QEDK ( T ☕ C) 06:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. test ଏଚଭିଜେଏଚବିଜେଏନ,ନ ,ମ Shiti ( talk) 11:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
ଭବିଏଚଭିଏଚବିଏଚଜେବିଜେଏଚବି Shiti ( talk) 11:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC) ବିବିଏଚଜେବିଏଚଜେବି Shiti ( talk) 11:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC) ବିବିବି Shiti ( talk) 11:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. (Topic title edited by — Andy W. ( talk), Shiti ( talk)) testing test Shiti ( talk) 21:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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Test ବିକାଶଓଝା ( talk) 06:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC) Version 3 {{Automatic taxobox | image2 = A Magicicada chorus containing M. septendecim, M. cassini, and M. septendecula - pone.0000892.s004.oga | image2_caption = A chorus of several ''[[Magicicada]]'' species | taxon = Insecta | authority = [[Carl Linnaeus|Linnaeus]], [[10th edition of Systema Naturae|1758]] | subdivision ranks = Subgroups | subdivision = [[#Taxonomy|See text]]. | name = | fossil_range = {{fossilrange|396|0}}<small>Early [[Devonian]]<ref name=EngelGrim /> (but see text)–[[Holocene|Present]]</small> | image = Insect collage.png | image_caption = Clockwise from top left: dance fly (''[[Empis livida]]''), long-nosed weevil (''[[Rhinotia hemistictus]]''), mole cricket (''[[Gryllotalpa brachyptera]]''), [[German wasp]] (''Vespula germanica''), emperor gum moth (''[[Opodiphthera eucalypti]]''), assassin bug ([[Harpactorinae]]) }} Alsee ( talk) 18:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC) Interesting it picked up its name from the topic page, but then it’s not meant to be used outside of article space. Also curious if this reply will go alongside the infobox, as on a normal talk page, or not. I see that’s a no, it appears below and leaves a lot of white space. There should be some way to override this. JohnBlackburne words deeds 00:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC) This is a very bold list!
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