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DYK an hour overdue...but how do we protect a sound file?? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 05:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I noted it was overdue, so flipped it again, but I have to rush off. Can someone do credits and slot in some hooks for next one? I may get some time to do this myself in 3-4 hours or so if no-one else does. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I just updated the Main Page for the first time since getting admin status, but I can't figure out how to reset the clock. Also, I don't yet know how to do the credits. If someone could fix these things for now, and then leave a note on my talk page with instruction to help me do it right the next time, that would be appreciated. Cbl62 ( talk) 14:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello all, I have flipped the next bunch and started adding, but I need coffee, breakfast and have a few RL chores to attend to, so if some folks can check a few hooks and sling them in the next update it would be great. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 21:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
When I had an article pass through DYK recently, I was bothered by the note saying "reference accepted on good faith." Not only was my article being reviewed, my intentions were being judge. The essay
Wikipedia:Assume the assumption of good faith explains "the very act of citing WP:AGF assumes that the opponent is assuming bad faith." I understand a need to distinguish actual confirmation of references vs. acceptance of references, but I don't think that DYK continually is an especially egregious situation where assuming good faith continually needs to be expressed in writing. It sees to me that the use of
rather than
is sufficient by itself to make such a distinction and there is no additional reason to expressly invoke
WP:AGF. In view of this, I propose that at
Template_talk:Did_you_know#Symbols,
Symbol | Code | Ready for DYK? | Description |
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{{subst:DYKtickAGF}} | Yes | Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith |
be change to read
Symbol | Code | Ready for DYK? | Description |
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{{subst:DYKtickAGF}} | Yes | No problems, ready for DYK with the use of a foreign-language or offline hook reference. |
I think this change will help to make DYK a more friendly place and yet maintain the
/
communication system to the admins picking up DYK suggestions. Please indicate below whether you agree so that this change may be implemented. Thanks. --
Suntag
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14:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
While we're at it can we change the template name to something easier to remember from the current CAPSsmallCAPS password style? If they all went to small throughout I for one would review more. Johnbod ( talk) 01:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree with JayHenry's comment above: I don't see anything at all wrong with saying "I'm assuming good faith". And while the two colours of tick make the difference clear to a regular they don't necessarily to a stranger to the DYK process, who could easily look through the history, see a tick and think "This hoax/poorly sourced article was given a tick on T:TDYK! The DYK editors clearly aren't doing their job." Therefore making the assumption explicit is necessary, I think. Olaf Davis | Talk 13:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I spent 5 hours on that sound file. Why is it being thrown out without a word? Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 16:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This article, now slated for the next update, has a hook cite to an apparently unpublished personal statement of the article's subject. (The source listed in footnote 2 reads: "Statement of Edith Killgore Kilpatrick, September 22, 2008".) That would not qualify as a reliable source. It would be good to correct this now (if it can be corrected) before an appearance on the main page. Kablammo ( talk) 19:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I was going to add Wikipedia:Did you know/Admins to the DYKbox template as this page is really obscure to find otherwise. I am trying to think of ways of facilitating finding folks to update if one of the regulars ain't around. I was musing on pinging all on the list to get them back to update their interest, and maybe split the list into actively involved editors, and admins who can help out at a pinch or something like that. Thus two proposals:
I am thinking of this as I am getting the feeling (I maybe wrong on this) that there is a bit of editor (or more accurately admin) fatigue around (hopefully I am misguided on the last and will be more than happy to be proven wrong.) All input welcome. Cheers,
Casliber (
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contribs)
11:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so as to avoid confusion over who's renewed their interests and who hasn't (and to avoid confusing people who visit the admins list while replies are coming in), I've created User:Olaf Davis/DYKadmins. I propose to:
Any objections/suggestions for different categories? Olaf Davis | Talk 18:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I figured popping a note in the signpost would be prudent to cover a wide as audience as possible, before updating the lsit. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place to post this. I had nominated the above article for DYK and now I can't find it there. It was confirmed that the lenght was fine as well as the reference to the hook AGFed as its a journal. Can I know what happened to it please?
Wiki San Roze
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21:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone who regularly gives DYK credits may be interested in dykeasymode.js. It makes a tab to automatically fill the edit window with the article name. Details on how to install/use it can be found at User talk:Ameliorate!/dykeasymode.js. Feedback appreciated. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 23:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that I have made some changes so that if the "tag article talkpage" link is followed, clicking the tab will automatically add the {{ dyktalk}} template and fill the edit summary. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 10:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped the hooks but have burnt my dinner in the process -can someone do the creds etc. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 07:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I have flipped, credited and stocked up the next upload - not sure if there is a trick to protecting sounds. I will be asleep soon so cannot flip the next bunch. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Further on sound protection... As soon as the DYK is moved onto the main page; Sox Admin Bot should upload the file from commons and protect it. This isn't ideal as there is a chance that it could not work for whatever reason. I've tried to upload the sound files myself so an admin could protect them, but it seems you have to be an admin to upload a file that has the same name as a file on commons. So would be alright to upload it under a different name, or should I leave it to an admin to upload or should we just get the file protected on commons? ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 04:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Just checked in to find the update gone yellow, so flipped it. Busy off-keyboard so can someone do the creds and start piling in some hoox? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 09:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Done - credits done, someone else can fill in next update. Cheers,
Cirt (
talk)
09:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
...Is a very undescriptive name for what the actual purpose of that page is. I think it should be moved to something along the lines of Wikipedia:Did you know/Suggestions. -- how do you turn this on 21:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I shouldn't be complaining, I know; the DYK admins do a very good job at what they do, and they are very hard-working. I myself have intents to become more active there and help out more with the few who keep the process running so smoothly. But I'd request that articles that are added to the next update, and then, by extension, to the template itself at a later time, are really properly vetted. I just had to give this article on Hannikel a thorough copyedit; the person who wrote it seems to be more fluent in German and still learning sentence structure in English, and certain parts of the article did not make good sense. Furthermore, apostrophes, commas and other such punctuation articles were entirely omitted. The fact that the article was created is great, yes, but before we put things on the main page we want to make sure that the article is at least easy-to-read and generally well-written. I'm not sure if this is a recurring problem, I just thought I'd bring it up. But, again, the DYK admins and helpers are to be congratulated in general for the hard work they do. — Anonymous Dissident Talk 06:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
One of the DYK-rules says "Articles that have appeared on the main page's In the News section are not eligible."
How is this to be interpreted? For instance, at some moment yesterday five main articles were featured: 2008 United Kingdom bank rescue package, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, 2008 TC3, Nobel Prize in Physics, and Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine were featured. In addition, the hooks contained links to 20 other articles. Are these other linked articles still eligible for DYK, now or in the future, or are they not? Oceanh ( talk) 23:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC).
I just flipped the latest hooks a few hours late and cleared the credits - can someone check some hooks and place in the next update as I am a bit busy off-keyboard? If I am around I will try to flip promptly. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Thxs! Johnbod ( talk) 07:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Has the suggestion to include multiple images in DYK been given serious consideration? Now that T:DYK routinely includes 7 or 8 hooks, the single image in the top right is starting to look awfully lonely. Thoughts? the skomorokh 17:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
While a DYK that I wrote was on the main page today, an editor gave some incorrect information on the article's talk page that resulted in the DYK being changed. This is in reference to the King of the Ring 1993 DYK, which now says that the camera "flashed" in Hogan's face. As both online sources show, however, the camera exploded. I would like the archived version to be correct, but I don't know if it would be stepping over a line to change the archive myself. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 04:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:DYK#Selection_criteria reads Articles should have a minimum of 1,500 characters (around 1.5 kilobytes) in main body prose (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables). The original wording of this rule was posted 29 December 2007 and modified 8 January 2008 One editor has been applying this to exclude the prose in the Wikipedia:Lead section from the 1,500 count. [4] [5] Another editor thinks that the prose in the lead section should count towards the 1,500 character requirement. [6] Which way is correct? Should this be reworded to be clearer? Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 13:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see #A Couple of Suggestions....
Thanks,
B G 7even 16:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, not been too active recently but here goes:
#A tool similar to that of ACC for DYK requests. Could be best utilised for suggestions. Users review on wiki etc and then update status on tool, ie expired, ready etc.
Apologies if this makes no sense! Please ask. Ill try and get a demo copy of the tool at some stage.
Thanks,
Just a heads up that there is currently a problem with newly uploaded images in that a thumbnail can't be generated for them (see the conversation here), so if an image is uploaded from commons to here, the 100x100 thumbnail on DYK won't display. Until this is fixed, the best bet is to try and get a commons admin to protect it over there. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 13:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Could more editors review some expiring nominations? There are only a few expiring ones verified currently, and we need more if we can fill older noms to the next update. More reviewers needed please. I'll try to review and verify as many as I can at the moment, but more help would be appreciated. Thanks, – RyanCross ( talk) 01:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
What's the max amount of hooks for every update? 7. .8. . 9? The 'expiring noms' in the suggestions sections is getting backlogged. May need decrease the amount of time between each update and increase the amount of hooks per update -- Flewis (talk) 07:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped but have to slipt - can somoene do creds and load up the next lot please? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 02:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Do these qualify as new articles for DYK, for example Yosef Lishansky? I see nothing in the rules about this. Thanks. -- Bruce1ee talk 09:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped and credited and began loading, but need to get some sleep and have some stuff to do - can someone keep filling and flip when it is time? Trying to keep on top of backlog. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear all,
I have noticed that often people will nominate an article, but not watch the page. Since hooks and articles are often questioned, it would make sense for a template to exist for DYK clerks to use, to inform them they have an enquiry regarding their hook/article. Often, good articles will not make it to the main page, simply because the nominator didn't watch the page, and no one informed him or her.
So this is the template: Template:DYKusertalk. It works like so: {{subst:DYKusertalk|October 16}} October 16 being the date the article was nominated. You can see it in action here. What do people think? -- How do you turn this on ( talk) 16:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I didn't get cred for nominating Alice Springs Reptile Centre.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 17:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I suspect I will be AFK in a bit. Can someone flip promptily in about 20 minutes? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I saw that there was interest in both potential hooks for Ruffed lemur before it was moved to the next update (the current page). Is there still an interest in either combining them or re-wording it? I'm fine with it either way. - Visionholder ( talk) 04:13, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The following message was posted on the talk page of GAN. I thought DYK should be notified to be on the alert (I edited the post.):
These two articles were on the main page as DYK's and then subsequently were found to have copyvio/excessive quotations problems. Louvre Abu Dhabi was at Peer Review after it was featured as a DYK: (see here); it was nearly all quotations. The same for Guggenheim Abu Dhabi which, after it's DYK was subsequently nominated for GA with similar problems (see here) after being cleansed (nearly) of copyvios by Moonriddengrl. Note: both of these articles had copyviolations and quotation attribution problems; and they both were featured on the main page as part of DYK. Then they came to GA. I am also concerned that these articles went through DYK without any source vetting.
Perhaps you can keep an eye out for this problem as we are finding it increasingly on GAN. Regards, — Mattisse ( Talk) 19:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
On a similar (but not identical) tack, I am a bit concerned about the similarity between Falkes de Breauté and William Tresham and their respective entries in the ODNB [7] [8]. Our articles are rewritten; but, if I may venture an opinion, very thinly rewritten. A reviewer will need online access (available by subscription or in many libraries) to see what I mean, but I'd be grateful for a second opinion. -- Testing times ( talk) 19:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
ODNB | Wikipedia |
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Tresham, William (d. 1450), lawyer and speaker of the House of Commons, was the son of Thomas Tresham, and was apparently a native of Northamptonshire, where he was to become an influential landowner. Elected one of the two knights of the shire for the county in 1423, he acted again in that capacity in another eleven parliaments (1427, 1429, 1432, 1433, 1435, 1439, 1442, 1445, 1447, and February and November 1449). From 1424 until his death, moreover, he was a Northamptonshire JP. For a man whose origins do not appear to have been particularly distinguished, advancement in his home county went hand in hand with, indeed probably depended upon, advancement at the centre of national affairs. Having trained as a lawyer Tresham was certainly intermittently in the king's service from at least 1415, when he was an auditor of the accounts of royal officials in south Wales. | His Worship William Tresham JP (d. 23 September 1450) was a British lawyer and Speaker of the House of Commons. Born in Northamptonshire, the son of Thomas Tresham of Sywell, he went on to become a major landowner in the region. He was elected as one of the counties Knights of the Shire for the parliament of 1423, and again in 1427, 1429, 1432, 1433, 1435, 1439, 1442, 1445, 1447 and February and November 1449, serving in twelve successive parliaments overall.[1] In 1424 he was also appointed a Justice of the Peace for Northamptonshire; a man born of common stock relied on advancement in his home county for advancement nationally. Having trained as a lawyer Tresham spent intermittent periods in the service of the king, such as in 1415, when he audited the accounts of royal officials in southern Wales. |
I have similar concerns about another another article by Ironholds currently on the DYK suggestions page - compare Alan Garrett Anderson to the ODNB entry . -- Testing times ( talk) 13:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
(from suggestions page)
OBND | Wikipedia |
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During the First World War Anderson's services to the government were manifold. Under Walter Runciman (1847–1937), president of the Board of Trade, he was involved with blockades and claims (while the USA was neutral) that arose from treating as contraband cargoes in American vessels consigned to the enemy. His next task, as vice-chairman of the royal commission for wheat supplies, was to set up a wheat executive to control the distribution of grain among the western allies; and as soon as the USA entered the war, he accompanied Arthur Balfour on a mission to Washington, DC, to help establish the marketing of wheat in the United States and Canada. His appointment as Admiralty controller, dealing with both the Royal Navy and the merchant navy, was the last of these important national and international engagements for which, in 1917, he was made a KBE and a chevalier of the Légion d'honneur, and received an honour from the Italian king. | During the First World War Anderson served in a multitude of government positions. Under Walter Runciman he spent time dealing with the USA in matters of blockades and claims that arose from treating enemy cargo carried by American vessels as contraband. He was then appointed vice-chairman of the Royal Commission for wheat supplies, and was tasked with controlling the distribution of weat among the western allies. When the USA entered the war he and Arthur Balfour travelled to Washington, D.C., performing the same task over there, and Anderson was then assigned as an Admiralty controller, dealing with both the Royal and Merchant navies. In 1917 he was appointed a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire (KBE), an Officer of the Légion d'honneur, and an Officer of the Order of the Crown of Italy in reward for his wartime services. |
With Halloween and All Saints Day coming up quickly, I am calling for help with creating and promoting appropriate hooks. Halloween hooks ideally cover monstrous, ghastly, or macabre subjects and events while saintly, divine, and religious themes are appropriate for All Saints Day. Normal timing and processing delays mean that articles supporting a Halloween based theme should be timed or major expansion began on October 25 or 26, with All Saints Day occurring one day later. Individuals promoting articles are in turn asked hold off selection of themed hooks until the appropriate date. With luck, we would be able to generate a discussion similar to this in response. -- Allen3 talk 19:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I just logged on quickly and flipped - it was nearly 2 hours late. I'll tweak so next one turns yellow a little early. Can someone do creds? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, I really need to sleep soon and have to finish a couple of chores elsewhere; I loaded up a few hooks and a nice relaxing pic of a lake. Can some folks check a few more expiring hooks and fill out the next update? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 14:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
After concerns raised on the talk page, I'm wondering if this hook is better:
Thanks guys, —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 15:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I can't find Anne Margrethe Strømsheim and the hooks that was at the Main Page together with it on the Recent Additions list. Has someone forgotten to update the RAs? Manxruler ( talk) 12:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just flipped the template, about 2 hours late, but I'm at work, could someone do the credits. Thanks, ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 07:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
See this hook: ... that ... the Kennedy Administration positioned John R. Reilly on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial ready to cut off Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s I Have a Dream speech if the rhetoric got too inflammatory?
Two sets of ellipsis'? :) Cheers, —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 03:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, a moral prize to the most notable/vital/core/general article currently a stub (<150 words). List here and we can all attack and expand (NB: Supposed to be fun so have at it :)) I'll try to start the ball rolling in a few hours. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Thus, list the stub here if you found it but haven't the time or resources to expand it, or even better just expand it and put on the suggestion page. I have listed some categories. I was musing on Una's thread above to see how much broad material is still stubbed. Feel free to add another category, this should all be in good fun :) Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 02:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
PS: Don't expand until ready for a 5-day push (or for someone else) - i.e. either go for it, or leave it. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 22:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
by:francesca vin
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Ageratina adenophora - big weed here in Oz --> only 123 word stub expanded
Question What about unranked levels of classification? Papa Lima Whiskey ( talk) 09:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Over at Tree of Life you ask for stubs of high taxonomic rank. Your 150 word limit may not be suitable - a taxobox takes an article way over that. However if 0 is an acceptable value Corallochytrea must be a contender. (Wikipedia ES has a stub for this - Choanozoa has a redlink to corallochytrid).
Taxobox doesn't count as prose (cool, eh?).. Hesperian found Gracilicutes (unranked clade under domain...whoa..), Sphagnopsida (class), and Trimerophytophyta (division(!)). Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 12:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
There is an article about a pumpkin race that should have gone to the main page today. I (with Lar's support have delayed this in the hope that it gets out on 31st Oct. It could do with expanding and some mates. Its marked with a vampire.
Victuallers (
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17:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it would be a good idea to collect holiday hooks, e.g. try and get some together for Christmas starting now. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 20:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
PS:...maybe something in
Category:Paranormal stubs or
Category:Occult stubs worth checking. Cheers,
Casliber (
talk ·
contribs)
13:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, I tweaked the clock to go yellow 30 min early - can someone volunteer to flip promptly so we can keep 'em turning over? It will be at 5 am here and I will be asleep (I hope). Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi guys,
A no-decision does not equal a tie game, but this is what this hook sounds like...
"... that Milwaukee Brewers starting pitcher Steve Woodard received a no-decision when a 2000 game against the Cincinnati Reds was called due to rain, making it the first Opening Day tie game since 1965?"
Cheers, —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 05:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Could somebody take a momemnt and award DYK medals to editors I've nominated here? I've also explained there why I'd like somebody else to do so.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Greetings all, I just removed Early history of Turkmenistan from the DYK template. The article was a cut & paste from the LOC Country info site. While LOC is in the public domain, I do not find it appropriate to place cut & paste articles on the main page. I do not find these articles to be consistent with encyclopedic work. While they may be fine as articles, I do not believe they should be featured on our main page. Kindest regards, Lazulilasher ( talk) 20:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I thought it was already obvious, but just for hte record, PD cut and pasting should not be allowed on the front page. YellowMonkey ( click here to chose Australia's next top model!) 02:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Nanobiotechnology is an emerging and nascent product of marriage between nanotechnology and biotechnology. Its uses are tremendous and very precise. With the more advancements in nanomaterial science and nanodevices genetic engineering, particularly of plants, will be transformed to deterministic from its present stoichiostic natutre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hhkumaraswamy ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Often when it comes time to update the template there's no DYK-capable admin around so it gets neglected, even though the Next Update was filled hours ago. I therefore propose an adminbot to update the template, the way it would work is thus: Once the next update has been completed, an admin copies and pastes the hooks to a new fully protected page (possibly Template:Did you know/Queue). Every 6 hours (0:00, 6:00, 12:00, 18:00) the bot will run and copy the content from the queue page to the main template. This way the template can be prepared at any admin's leisure and doesn't rely on an admin being around at specific periods of the day. The coding is (almost) done, I have the bot working on a test wiki, but it still needs some minor tweaks. I want to know if anyone has any thoughts, concerns or opinions about this before I try for approval. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 14:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
{{DYKbotdo}}
is included on the page, which is a blank template on my test wiki. ~
User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (
talk)
14:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Any chance you could also get the bot to auto-archive the previous set of hooks when it posts the new set? That would be very useful too. Gatoclass ( talk) 15:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The bot now works by checking the next update timer every 5 minutes and if it is past the update time, the bot updates the template. What I need now is a consensus before I try for approval. Are there any other questions or concerns about this particular bot? (There is another bot coming that will archive hooks and do other requested tasks but it won't have admin rights). ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 17:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits please? Thanks. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The FA group already has their Halloween article up on the Main Page. DYK's ready and the suggestions are ripe for the picking at Halloween DYKs. It looks like we'll have 22 articles to spread over the 24 hour period. Maybe we can skip from 00:00 to 06:00 since it seems unlikely that people in a 31 October date during 00:00 to 06:00 will be celebrating Halloween (unless I'm getting my time zones messed up). -- Suntag ☼ 00:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
The article Cerberus is not new and has not expanded fivefold recently . – Ilse @ 08:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped a bit early to play catch-up so everyone gets a go (there is quite a bunch of stuff on the suggestions page). I did the creds but can some folks go checking and stacking the next template as I have to do some other stuff. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 02:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits please? Thank you. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I suppose we don't have to upload the {{C-uploaded}} copies anymore because the bot auto-uploads them as soon as any MP template gets updated? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 08:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I just updated, but can anyone do the credits please? Thank you. (I'm still half-asleep...) --
BorgQueen (
talk)
02:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
What we could do is break each day up into a subpage, so instead of having one talkpage with all the hooks we have Template talk:Did you know/October 17, Template talk:Did you know/October 18 etc. and then transclude each page onto the main Template talk:Did you know page. That way, when someone nominates a hook, they will be more inclined to watchlist the page as it will add a seventh of the edits to their watchlist that adding the whole page did. Opinions? ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 22:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
See User:How do you turn this on/DYKtest for an example of individual pages in action. I've messed with the TOC to make it so it only shows level 3 headers or above. It would obviously be higher up, so wouldn't obscure the top day of the page. What do people think? -- How do you turn this on ( talk) 13:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I've created my own implementation; User:Ameliorate!/DYK/Template talk:Did you know. Art, take a look at this link and see if that works for what you need. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 05:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
So is anyone actually opposed to implementing section headers for each suggestion? – How do you turn this on ( talk) 15:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Did the next one a bit early, lots to catch up on, can some folks check and stick some hooks in, I need to sleep...Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I reviewed the article John R. Smith, and I believe that it may be a hoax. This article is well crafted and looks authentic prima facie. None of the online external references make any mention of the subject whatsoever - (United States Colored Troops Resident in Baltimore at the time of the 1890 Census - nothing to do with the Civil war?? [13]), (Article alleges he was on station at Fort Sumter - also in the hook - once again no mention in the source [14]) (Book preview contains no mention etc. . [15]). Most disturbing however, is the allegation that John R. Smith was the "first soldier to receive the Silver Star" (apparently during the Civil War). However, the Silver Star was first awarded in 1932 (more than 31 years after the subject's death) as per these sources [16] [17]. It turns out that the user deliberately inserted factual errors so that it corroborates with his own article. I've left a note on the article + user's talk page. Could someone more experienced with the US Civil war confirm/dispute these claims. If I'm wrong, then I apologize in advance, however I'd rather be whacked with a trout for false accusations than see a hoax appear on the main page. Peace -- Flewis (talk) 09:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch, per this suggestion? Samples at {{ FCDW}}. If so, time is of the essence: please weigh in at WT:FCDW. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I can do that if someone will hold my hand as I have little experience of the dispatch and its articles Victuallers ( talk) 23:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
WP:FCDW/October 27, 2008 is a start but still needs a lot more beef. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits, please? Thanks. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 19:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I really enjoyed writing for the Halloween Did You Know. Will we have Christmas related articles over the Christmas period? There's tons of articles out there for that.
Also, some points of how to improve next time: the main one, is start it earlier. I don't think we were well-prepared enough. Also, the actual posting of the hooks to the main page was late to start and end. If we're working in UTC, it would make sense to keep the articles around that time. Obviously, if we have a "Christmas themed" DYK section, it may last a little longer since it tends to last like 2 weeks. Maybe 3 days, Xmas eve, day, and boxing day, but people might be sick of it by then. Ideas anyone? – How do you turn this on ( talk) 14:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm really sorry that I missed the halloween, my ISP providor went difficult and Ive only just reconnected. The records look brilliant with so many articles! I tend to agree that the panic helped to create such a success. The General created quite a few (uk humour) and such good contributions from all. I think a last panic is probably right for all those with a Y chromosome :-) Victuallers ( talk) 23:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Belated congradulations to all those who contributed to DYK's Halloween 2008. We successfully generated 28 new/expanded Halloween themed articles, which lead to five sets of Halloween 2008 posts on the Main Page. The entire Main Page output is at Halloween 2008 Output on the Main Page. -- Suntag ☼ 07:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I just got this message. I did not create or expand the article Hanwei Group. I just passed the hook, and did a slight improvement to few sentences in the article, that's all. It seems the real creator of the article, User:Malick78 has not been credited. Can someone fix this mistake? Thanks. Chamal talk 00:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits please? Thanks. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 03:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Further to the hoax above, the hook for this article - the first on in the template until recently - was a problem too.
See the discussion at Talk:Transit of Venus March for pretty convincing evidence that this was not the case. More worryingly, it managed to last for two hours after my post at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors . -- Testing times ( talk) 14:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, I think the original error was clearly an honest mistake - see Talk:Transit of Venus March - the reprinted Washington Post article by Reilly Capps here clearly claims that "...the "Transit of Venus March" never caught on, and went unplayed for more than 100 years. Sousa's copies of the music were destroyed in a flood. ... fans of Sousa are resurrecting the forgotten march" Unfortunately, that is plainly incorrect. It could be made a bit clearer in the article (I know - {{ sofixit}}).
My main concern was that the WP:ERRORS report was left untouched for so long. -- Testing times ( talk) 17:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Here's my suggestion: I'm kind of annoyed with the Criteria for DYK, so i propse the following: 1 of the DYK (only 1 is needed) should be criteria free, like an interesting fact from any article. Because i find alot of interesting stuff out there, but the right criteria never applies? Any ideas? - - The Spooky One ( talk to me) ( Share the Love with Barnstars) 00:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Disagree. Per How do you turn this on ( talk · contribs). Cirt ( talk) 00:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
DYK is a reward for creating new content, not a general trivia section. I would support JayHenry's idea if it didn't result in 5,355 articles becoming automatically eligible. I completely oppose this proposal as it makes 2,611,519 articles eligible. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 02:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
While I agree that GA articles go unrecognized, I frankly don't think we have the room to include them at DYK which consistantly has a backload. If you look at Wikipedia:Good article statistics the project has had anywhere between 38-73 new GA articles added every month, a load that would frankly swamp DYK. A possible option would be to raise the bar on new articles, thereby opening up room for GA articles. However, given the past objection to raise DYK standards in the past I doubt that will garner much support. Nrswanson ( talk) 13:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I see no problems with this scheme. We currently feature recently expanded articles as new articles, even though they're clearly not. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to also include one or two newly GA-promoted articles. After all, "quality, not quantity" has long been a Wikipedia principle.
As for the DYK backlog, I think we could reduce this a bit by introducing criterion 2b from the Good Article criteria to DYK. At the moment, a long, complex article can get on the main page with only one in-line citation. I've seen some of these (see e.g. the recent Li Zhengji), and I frankly don't think it would be a great loss to get rid of them. Lampman ( talk) 17:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
For those who are unaware of it, we are trying to flip the hooks every four hours or so to get rid of the backlog. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we add to Rule 3 the requirement that the hook citation be to a reliable, verifiable, independent third party source, per WP:RS and WP:V.
The previous two sections, and prior discussion at this discussion page (including discussion about a hook for a biographical article was sourced to an unpublished statement by the subject herself), demonstrate the necessity of this change. Kablammo ( talk) 15:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with limiting it to third-party sources. A history book published by the Federal Highway Administration may be the best source for a fact about the FHWA. -- NE2 16:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
One of the reasons I do not want to discuss individual examples is it could result in criticism of hard-working volunteers who handle a large part of the DYK volume. The point is that we have sourcing standards, and DYK is not an exception to them. These articles appear on the main page, after all-- we should want them to be well-sourced.
NE2's point about the reliability of certain first-party sources is a good one, and those same concerns are under discussion on the sourcing talk pages. (But even while this discussion was going on, a DYK hook for a biographical article appeared on the main page sourced to the subject person's website. There is a difference between sourcing to a governmental agency and a private website, and the personal website is not a reliable source. [19])
As there are however some circumstances where first-party sources can be used, the sourcing requirements are not in fact as rigid as my summary suggested. I propose therefore that we not attempt to summarize sourcing requirements, but instead add to rule 3 that the hook be sourced "to a reliable and verifiable source." That should be sufficient. Kablammo ( talk) 06:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
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DYK an hour overdue...but how do we protect a sound file?? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 05:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I noted it was overdue, so flipped it again, but I have to rush off. Can someone do credits and slot in some hooks for next one? I may get some time to do this myself in 3-4 hours or so if no-one else does. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I just updated the Main Page for the first time since getting admin status, but I can't figure out how to reset the clock. Also, I don't yet know how to do the credits. If someone could fix these things for now, and then leave a note on my talk page with instruction to help me do it right the next time, that would be appreciated. Cbl62 ( talk) 14:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello all, I have flipped the next bunch and started adding, but I need coffee, breakfast and have a few RL chores to attend to, so if some folks can check a few hooks and sling them in the next update it would be great. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 21:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
When I had an article pass through DYK recently, I was bothered by the note saying "reference accepted on good faith." Not only was my article being reviewed, my intentions were being judge. The essay
Wikipedia:Assume the assumption of good faith explains "the very act of citing WP:AGF assumes that the opponent is assuming bad faith." I understand a need to distinguish actual confirmation of references vs. acceptance of references, but I don't think that DYK continually is an especially egregious situation where assuming good faith continually needs to be expressed in writing. It sees to me that the use of
rather than
is sufficient by itself to make such a distinction and there is no additional reason to expressly invoke
WP:AGF. In view of this, I propose that at
Template_talk:Did_you_know#Symbols,
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{{subst:DYKtickAGF}} | Yes | Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith |
be change to read
Symbol | Code | Ready for DYK? | Description |
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{{subst:DYKtickAGF}} | Yes | No problems, ready for DYK with the use of a foreign-language or offline hook reference. |
I think this change will help to make DYK a more friendly place and yet maintain the
/
communication system to the admins picking up DYK suggestions. Please indicate below whether you agree so that this change may be implemented. Thanks. --
Suntag
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14:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
While we're at it can we change the template name to something easier to remember from the current CAPSsmallCAPS password style? If they all went to small throughout I for one would review more. Johnbod ( talk) 01:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree with JayHenry's comment above: I don't see anything at all wrong with saying "I'm assuming good faith". And while the two colours of tick make the difference clear to a regular they don't necessarily to a stranger to the DYK process, who could easily look through the history, see a tick and think "This hoax/poorly sourced article was given a tick on T:TDYK! The DYK editors clearly aren't doing their job." Therefore making the assumption explicit is necessary, I think. Olaf Davis | Talk 13:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I spent 5 hours on that sound file. Why is it being thrown out without a word? Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 16:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This article, now slated for the next update, has a hook cite to an apparently unpublished personal statement of the article's subject. (The source listed in footnote 2 reads: "Statement of Edith Killgore Kilpatrick, September 22, 2008".) That would not qualify as a reliable source. It would be good to correct this now (if it can be corrected) before an appearance on the main page. Kablammo ( talk) 19:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I was going to add Wikipedia:Did you know/Admins to the DYKbox template as this page is really obscure to find otherwise. I am trying to think of ways of facilitating finding folks to update if one of the regulars ain't around. I was musing on pinging all on the list to get them back to update their interest, and maybe split the list into actively involved editors, and admins who can help out at a pinch or something like that. Thus two proposals:
I am thinking of this as I am getting the feeling (I maybe wrong on this) that there is a bit of editor (or more accurately admin) fatigue around (hopefully I am misguided on the last and will be more than happy to be proven wrong.) All input welcome. Cheers,
Casliber (
talk ·
contribs)
11:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so as to avoid confusion over who's renewed their interests and who hasn't (and to avoid confusing people who visit the admins list while replies are coming in), I've created User:Olaf Davis/DYKadmins. I propose to:
Any objections/suggestions for different categories? Olaf Davis | Talk 18:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I figured popping a note in the signpost would be prudent to cover a wide as audience as possible, before updating the lsit. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place to post this. I had nominated the above article for DYK and now I can't find it there. It was confirmed that the lenght was fine as well as the reference to the hook AGFed as its a journal. Can I know what happened to it please?
Wiki San Roze
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21:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyone who regularly gives DYK credits may be interested in dykeasymode.js. It makes a tab to automatically fill the edit window with the article name. Details on how to install/use it can be found at User talk:Ameliorate!/dykeasymode.js. Feedback appreciated. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 23:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that I have made some changes so that if the "tag article talkpage" link is followed, clicking the tab will automatically add the {{ dyktalk}} template and fill the edit summary. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 10:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped the hooks but have burnt my dinner in the process -can someone do the creds etc. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 07:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I have flipped, credited and stocked up the next upload - not sure if there is a trick to protecting sounds. I will be asleep soon so cannot flip the next bunch. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Further on sound protection... As soon as the DYK is moved onto the main page; Sox Admin Bot should upload the file from commons and protect it. This isn't ideal as there is a chance that it could not work for whatever reason. I've tried to upload the sound files myself so an admin could protect them, but it seems you have to be an admin to upload a file that has the same name as a file on commons. So would be alright to upload it under a different name, or should I leave it to an admin to upload or should we just get the file protected on commons? ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 04:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Just checked in to find the update gone yellow, so flipped it. Busy off-keyboard so can someone do the creds and start piling in some hoox? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 09:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Done - credits done, someone else can fill in next update. Cheers,
Cirt (
talk)
09:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
...Is a very undescriptive name for what the actual purpose of that page is. I think it should be moved to something along the lines of Wikipedia:Did you know/Suggestions. -- how do you turn this on 21:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I shouldn't be complaining, I know; the DYK admins do a very good job at what they do, and they are very hard-working. I myself have intents to become more active there and help out more with the few who keep the process running so smoothly. But I'd request that articles that are added to the next update, and then, by extension, to the template itself at a later time, are really properly vetted. I just had to give this article on Hannikel a thorough copyedit; the person who wrote it seems to be more fluent in German and still learning sentence structure in English, and certain parts of the article did not make good sense. Furthermore, apostrophes, commas and other such punctuation articles were entirely omitted. The fact that the article was created is great, yes, but before we put things on the main page we want to make sure that the article is at least easy-to-read and generally well-written. I'm not sure if this is a recurring problem, I just thought I'd bring it up. But, again, the DYK admins and helpers are to be congratulated in general for the hard work they do. — Anonymous Dissident Talk 06:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
One of the DYK-rules says "Articles that have appeared on the main page's In the News section are not eligible."
How is this to be interpreted? For instance, at some moment yesterday five main articles were featured: 2008 United Kingdom bank rescue package, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, 2008 TC3, Nobel Prize in Physics, and Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine were featured. In addition, the hooks contained links to 20 other articles. Are these other linked articles still eligible for DYK, now or in the future, or are they not? Oceanh ( talk) 23:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC).
I just flipped the latest hooks a few hours late and cleared the credits - can someone check some hooks and place in the next update as I am a bit busy off-keyboard? If I am around I will try to flip promptly. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Thxs! Johnbod ( talk) 07:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Has the suggestion to include multiple images in DYK been given serious consideration? Now that T:DYK routinely includes 7 or 8 hooks, the single image in the top right is starting to look awfully lonely. Thoughts? the skomorokh 17:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
While a DYK that I wrote was on the main page today, an editor gave some incorrect information on the article's talk page that resulted in the DYK being changed. This is in reference to the King of the Ring 1993 DYK, which now says that the camera "flashed" in Hogan's face. As both online sources show, however, the camera exploded. I would like the archived version to be correct, but I don't know if it would be stepping over a line to change the archive myself. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, GaryColemanFan ( talk) 04:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:DYK#Selection_criteria reads Articles should have a minimum of 1,500 characters (around 1.5 kilobytes) in main body prose (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables). The original wording of this rule was posted 29 December 2007 and modified 8 January 2008 One editor has been applying this to exclude the prose in the Wikipedia:Lead section from the 1,500 count. [4] [5] Another editor thinks that the prose in the lead section should count towards the 1,500 character requirement. [6] Which way is correct? Should this be reworded to be clearer? Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 13:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see #A Couple of Suggestions....
Thanks,
B G 7even 16:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, not been too active recently but here goes:
#A tool similar to that of ACC for DYK requests. Could be best utilised for suggestions. Users review on wiki etc and then update status on tool, ie expired, ready etc.
Apologies if this makes no sense! Please ask. Ill try and get a demo copy of the tool at some stage.
Thanks,
Just a heads up that there is currently a problem with newly uploaded images in that a thumbnail can't be generated for them (see the conversation here), so if an image is uploaded from commons to here, the 100x100 thumbnail on DYK won't display. Until this is fixed, the best bet is to try and get a commons admin to protect it over there. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 13:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Could more editors review some expiring nominations? There are only a few expiring ones verified currently, and we need more if we can fill older noms to the next update. More reviewers needed please. I'll try to review and verify as many as I can at the moment, but more help would be appreciated. Thanks, – RyanCross ( talk) 01:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
What's the max amount of hooks for every update? 7. .8. . 9? The 'expiring noms' in the suggestions sections is getting backlogged. May need decrease the amount of time between each update and increase the amount of hooks per update -- Flewis (talk) 07:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped but have to slipt - can somoene do creds and load up the next lot please? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 02:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Do these qualify as new articles for DYK, for example Yosef Lishansky? I see nothing in the rules about this. Thanks. -- Bruce1ee talk 09:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped and credited and began loading, but need to get some sleep and have some stuff to do - can someone keep filling and flip when it is time? Trying to keep on top of backlog. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear all,
I have noticed that often people will nominate an article, but not watch the page. Since hooks and articles are often questioned, it would make sense for a template to exist for DYK clerks to use, to inform them they have an enquiry regarding their hook/article. Often, good articles will not make it to the main page, simply because the nominator didn't watch the page, and no one informed him or her.
So this is the template: Template:DYKusertalk. It works like so: {{subst:DYKusertalk|October 16}} October 16 being the date the article was nominated. You can see it in action here. What do people think? -- How do you turn this on ( talk) 16:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I didn't get cred for nominating Alice Springs Reptile Centre.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 17:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I suspect I will be AFK in a bit. Can someone flip promptily in about 20 minutes? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 20:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I saw that there was interest in both potential hooks for Ruffed lemur before it was moved to the next update (the current page). Is there still an interest in either combining them or re-wording it? I'm fine with it either way. - Visionholder ( talk) 04:13, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The following message was posted on the talk page of GAN. I thought DYK should be notified to be on the alert (I edited the post.):
These two articles were on the main page as DYK's and then subsequently were found to have copyvio/excessive quotations problems. Louvre Abu Dhabi was at Peer Review after it was featured as a DYK: (see here); it was nearly all quotations. The same for Guggenheim Abu Dhabi which, after it's DYK was subsequently nominated for GA with similar problems (see here) after being cleansed (nearly) of copyvios by Moonriddengrl. Note: both of these articles had copyviolations and quotation attribution problems; and they both were featured on the main page as part of DYK. Then they came to GA. I am also concerned that these articles went through DYK without any source vetting.
Perhaps you can keep an eye out for this problem as we are finding it increasingly on GAN. Regards, — Mattisse ( Talk) 19:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
On a similar (but not identical) tack, I am a bit concerned about the similarity between Falkes de Breauté and William Tresham and their respective entries in the ODNB [7] [8]. Our articles are rewritten; but, if I may venture an opinion, very thinly rewritten. A reviewer will need online access (available by subscription or in many libraries) to see what I mean, but I'd be grateful for a second opinion. -- Testing times ( talk) 19:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
ODNB | Wikipedia |
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Tresham, William (d. 1450), lawyer and speaker of the House of Commons, was the son of Thomas Tresham, and was apparently a native of Northamptonshire, where he was to become an influential landowner. Elected one of the two knights of the shire for the county in 1423, he acted again in that capacity in another eleven parliaments (1427, 1429, 1432, 1433, 1435, 1439, 1442, 1445, 1447, and February and November 1449). From 1424 until his death, moreover, he was a Northamptonshire JP. For a man whose origins do not appear to have been particularly distinguished, advancement in his home county went hand in hand with, indeed probably depended upon, advancement at the centre of national affairs. Having trained as a lawyer Tresham was certainly intermittently in the king's service from at least 1415, when he was an auditor of the accounts of royal officials in south Wales. | His Worship William Tresham JP (d. 23 September 1450) was a British lawyer and Speaker of the House of Commons. Born in Northamptonshire, the son of Thomas Tresham of Sywell, he went on to become a major landowner in the region. He was elected as one of the counties Knights of the Shire for the parliament of 1423, and again in 1427, 1429, 1432, 1433, 1435, 1439, 1442, 1445, 1447 and February and November 1449, serving in twelve successive parliaments overall.[1] In 1424 he was also appointed a Justice of the Peace for Northamptonshire; a man born of common stock relied on advancement in his home county for advancement nationally. Having trained as a lawyer Tresham spent intermittent periods in the service of the king, such as in 1415, when he audited the accounts of royal officials in southern Wales. |
I have similar concerns about another another article by Ironholds currently on the DYK suggestions page - compare Alan Garrett Anderson to the ODNB entry . -- Testing times ( talk) 13:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
(from suggestions page)
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During the First World War Anderson's services to the government were manifold. Under Walter Runciman (1847–1937), president of the Board of Trade, he was involved with blockades and claims (while the USA was neutral) that arose from treating as contraband cargoes in American vessels consigned to the enemy. His next task, as vice-chairman of the royal commission for wheat supplies, was to set up a wheat executive to control the distribution of grain among the western allies; and as soon as the USA entered the war, he accompanied Arthur Balfour on a mission to Washington, DC, to help establish the marketing of wheat in the United States and Canada. His appointment as Admiralty controller, dealing with both the Royal Navy and the merchant navy, was the last of these important national and international engagements for which, in 1917, he was made a KBE and a chevalier of the Légion d'honneur, and received an honour from the Italian king. | During the First World War Anderson served in a multitude of government positions. Under Walter Runciman he spent time dealing with the USA in matters of blockades and claims that arose from treating enemy cargo carried by American vessels as contraband. He was then appointed vice-chairman of the Royal Commission for wheat supplies, and was tasked with controlling the distribution of weat among the western allies. When the USA entered the war he and Arthur Balfour travelled to Washington, D.C., performing the same task over there, and Anderson was then assigned as an Admiralty controller, dealing with both the Royal and Merchant navies. In 1917 he was appointed a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire (KBE), an Officer of the Légion d'honneur, and an Officer of the Order of the Crown of Italy in reward for his wartime services. |
With Halloween and All Saints Day coming up quickly, I am calling for help with creating and promoting appropriate hooks. Halloween hooks ideally cover monstrous, ghastly, or macabre subjects and events while saintly, divine, and religious themes are appropriate for All Saints Day. Normal timing and processing delays mean that articles supporting a Halloween based theme should be timed or major expansion began on October 25 or 26, with All Saints Day occurring one day later. Individuals promoting articles are in turn asked hold off selection of themed hooks until the appropriate date. With luck, we would be able to generate a discussion similar to this in response. -- Allen3 talk 19:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I just logged on quickly and flipped - it was nearly 2 hours late. I'll tweak so next one turns yellow a little early. Can someone do creds? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, I really need to sleep soon and have to finish a couple of chores elsewhere; I loaded up a few hooks and a nice relaxing pic of a lake. Can some folks check a few more expiring hooks and fill out the next update? Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 14:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
After concerns raised on the talk page, I'm wondering if this hook is better:
Thanks guys, —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 15:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I can't find Anne Margrethe Strømsheim and the hooks that was at the Main Page together with it on the Recent Additions list. Has someone forgotten to update the RAs? Manxruler ( talk) 12:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just flipped the template, about 2 hours late, but I'm at work, could someone do the credits. Thanks, ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 07:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
See this hook: ... that ... the Kennedy Administration positioned John R. Reilly on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial ready to cut off Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s I Have a Dream speech if the rhetoric got too inflammatory?
Two sets of ellipsis'? :) Cheers, —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 03:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, a moral prize to the most notable/vital/core/general article currently a stub (<150 words). List here and we can all attack and expand (NB: Supposed to be fun so have at it :)) I'll try to start the ball rolling in a few hours. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 23:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Thus, list the stub here if you found it but haven't the time or resources to expand it, or even better just expand it and put on the suggestion page. I have listed some categories. I was musing on Una's thread above to see how much broad material is still stubbed. Feel free to add another category, this should all be in good fun :) Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 02:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
PS: Don't expand until ready for a 5-day push (or for someone else) - i.e. either go for it, or leave it. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 22:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
by:francesca vin
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Ageratina adenophora - big weed here in Oz --> only 123 word stub expanded
Question What about unranked levels of classification? Papa Lima Whiskey ( talk) 09:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Over at Tree of Life you ask for stubs of high taxonomic rank. Your 150 word limit may not be suitable - a taxobox takes an article way over that. However if 0 is an acceptable value Corallochytrea must be a contender. (Wikipedia ES has a stub for this - Choanozoa has a redlink to corallochytrid).
Taxobox doesn't count as prose (cool, eh?).. Hesperian found Gracilicutes (unranked clade under domain...whoa..), Sphagnopsida (class), and Trimerophytophyta (division(!)). Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 12:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
There is an article about a pumpkin race that should have gone to the main page today. I (with Lar's support have delayed this in the hope that it gets out on 31st Oct. It could do with expanding and some mates. Its marked with a vampire.
Victuallers (
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17:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it would be a good idea to collect holiday hooks, e.g. try and get some together for Christmas starting now. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 20:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
PS:...maybe something in
Category:Paranormal stubs or
Category:Occult stubs worth checking. Cheers,
Casliber (
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13:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, I tweaked the clock to go yellow 30 min early - can someone volunteer to flip promptly so we can keep 'em turning over? It will be at 5 am here and I will be asleep (I hope). Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi guys,
A no-decision does not equal a tie game, but this is what this hook sounds like...
"... that Milwaukee Brewers starting pitcher Steve Woodard received a no-decision when a 2000 game against the Cincinnati Reds was called due to rain, making it the first Opening Day tie game since 1965?"
Cheers, —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 05:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Could somebody take a momemnt and award DYK medals to editors I've nominated here? I've also explained there why I'd like somebody else to do so.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Greetings all, I just removed Early history of Turkmenistan from the DYK template. The article was a cut & paste from the LOC Country info site. While LOC is in the public domain, I do not find it appropriate to place cut & paste articles on the main page. I do not find these articles to be consistent with encyclopedic work. While they may be fine as articles, I do not believe they should be featured on our main page. Kindest regards, Lazulilasher ( talk) 20:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I thought it was already obvious, but just for hte record, PD cut and pasting should not be allowed on the front page. YellowMonkey ( click here to chose Australia's next top model!) 02:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Nanobiotechnology is an emerging and nascent product of marriage between nanotechnology and biotechnology. Its uses are tremendous and very precise. With the more advancements in nanomaterial science and nanodevices genetic engineering, particularly of plants, will be transformed to deterministic from its present stoichiostic natutre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hhkumaraswamy ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Often when it comes time to update the template there's no DYK-capable admin around so it gets neglected, even though the Next Update was filled hours ago. I therefore propose an adminbot to update the template, the way it would work is thus: Once the next update has been completed, an admin copies and pastes the hooks to a new fully protected page (possibly Template:Did you know/Queue). Every 6 hours (0:00, 6:00, 12:00, 18:00) the bot will run and copy the content from the queue page to the main template. This way the template can be prepared at any admin's leisure and doesn't rely on an admin being around at specific periods of the day. The coding is (almost) done, I have the bot working on a test wiki, but it still needs some minor tweaks. I want to know if anyone has any thoughts, concerns or opinions about this before I try for approval. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 14:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
{{DYKbotdo}}
is included on the page, which is a blank template on my test wiki. ~
User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (
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14:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Any chance you could also get the bot to auto-archive the previous set of hooks when it posts the new set? That would be very useful too. Gatoclass ( talk) 15:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The bot now works by checking the next update timer every 5 minutes and if it is past the update time, the bot updates the template. What I need now is a consensus before I try for approval. Are there any other questions or concerns about this particular bot? (There is another bot coming that will archive hooks and do other requested tasks but it won't have admin rights). ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 17:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits please? Thanks. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The FA group already has their Halloween article up on the Main Page. DYK's ready and the suggestions are ripe for the picking at Halloween DYKs. It looks like we'll have 22 articles to spread over the 24 hour period. Maybe we can skip from 00:00 to 06:00 since it seems unlikely that people in a 31 October date during 00:00 to 06:00 will be celebrating Halloween (unless I'm getting my time zones messed up). -- Suntag ☼ 00:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
The article Cerberus is not new and has not expanded fivefold recently . – Ilse @ 08:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I flipped a bit early to play catch-up so everyone gets a go (there is quite a bunch of stuff on the suggestions page). I did the creds but can some folks go checking and stacking the next template as I have to do some other stuff. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 02:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits please? Thank you. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 07:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I suppose we don't have to upload the {{C-uploaded}} copies anymore because the bot auto-uploads them as soon as any MP template gets updated? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 08:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I just updated, but can anyone do the credits please? Thank you. (I'm still half-asleep...) --
BorgQueen (
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02:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
What we could do is break each day up into a subpage, so instead of having one talkpage with all the hooks we have Template talk:Did you know/October 17, Template talk:Did you know/October 18 etc. and then transclude each page onto the main Template talk:Did you know page. That way, when someone nominates a hook, they will be more inclined to watchlist the page as it will add a seventh of the edits to their watchlist that adding the whole page did. Opinions? ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 22:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
See User:How do you turn this on/DYKtest for an example of individual pages in action. I've messed with the TOC to make it so it only shows level 3 headers or above. It would obviously be higher up, so wouldn't obscure the top day of the page. What do people think? -- How do you turn this on ( talk) 13:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I've created my own implementation; User:Ameliorate!/DYK/Template talk:Did you know. Art, take a look at this link and see if that works for what you need. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 05:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
So is anyone actually opposed to implementing section headers for each suggestion? – How do you turn this on ( talk) 15:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Did the next one a bit early, lots to catch up on, can some folks check and stick some hooks in, I need to sleep...Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I reviewed the article John R. Smith, and I believe that it may be a hoax. This article is well crafted and looks authentic prima facie. None of the online external references make any mention of the subject whatsoever - (United States Colored Troops Resident in Baltimore at the time of the 1890 Census - nothing to do with the Civil war?? [13]), (Article alleges he was on station at Fort Sumter - also in the hook - once again no mention in the source [14]) (Book preview contains no mention etc. . [15]). Most disturbing however, is the allegation that John R. Smith was the "first soldier to receive the Silver Star" (apparently during the Civil War). However, the Silver Star was first awarded in 1932 (more than 31 years after the subject's death) as per these sources [16] [17]. It turns out that the user deliberately inserted factual errors so that it corroborates with his own article. I've left a note on the article + user's talk page. Could someone more experienced with the US Civil war confirm/dispute these claims. If I'm wrong, then I apologize in advance, however I'd rather be whacked with a trout for false accusations than see a hoax appear on the main page. Peace -- Flewis (talk) 09:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch, per this suggestion? Samples at {{ FCDW}}. If so, time is of the essence: please weigh in at WT:FCDW. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I can do that if someone will hold my hand as I have little experience of the dispatch and its articles Victuallers ( talk) 23:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
WP:FCDW/October 27, 2008 is a start but still needs a lot more beef. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits, please? Thanks. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 19:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I really enjoyed writing for the Halloween Did You Know. Will we have Christmas related articles over the Christmas period? There's tons of articles out there for that.
Also, some points of how to improve next time: the main one, is start it earlier. I don't think we were well-prepared enough. Also, the actual posting of the hooks to the main page was late to start and end. If we're working in UTC, it would make sense to keep the articles around that time. Obviously, if we have a "Christmas themed" DYK section, it may last a little longer since it tends to last like 2 weeks. Maybe 3 days, Xmas eve, day, and boxing day, but people might be sick of it by then. Ideas anyone? – How do you turn this on ( talk) 14:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm really sorry that I missed the halloween, my ISP providor went difficult and Ive only just reconnected. The records look brilliant with so many articles! I tend to agree that the panic helped to create such a success. The General created quite a few (uk humour) and such good contributions from all. I think a last panic is probably right for all those with a Y chromosome :-) Victuallers ( talk) 23:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Belated congradulations to all those who contributed to DYK's Halloween 2008. We successfully generated 28 new/expanded Halloween themed articles, which lead to five sets of Halloween 2008 posts on the Main Page. The entire Main Page output is at Halloween 2008 Output on the Main Page. -- Suntag ☼ 07:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I just got this message. I did not create or expand the article Hanwei Group. I just passed the hook, and did a slight improvement to few sentences in the article, that's all. It seems the real creator of the article, User:Malick78 has not been credited. Can someone fix this mistake? Thanks. Chamal talk 00:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've updated but can anyone do the credits please? Thanks. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 03:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Further to the hoax above, the hook for this article - the first on in the template until recently - was a problem too.
See the discussion at Talk:Transit of Venus March for pretty convincing evidence that this was not the case. More worryingly, it managed to last for two hours after my post at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors . -- Testing times ( talk) 14:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, I think the original error was clearly an honest mistake - see Talk:Transit of Venus March - the reprinted Washington Post article by Reilly Capps here clearly claims that "...the "Transit of Venus March" never caught on, and went unplayed for more than 100 years. Sousa's copies of the music were destroyed in a flood. ... fans of Sousa are resurrecting the forgotten march" Unfortunately, that is plainly incorrect. It could be made a bit clearer in the article (I know - {{ sofixit}}).
My main concern was that the WP:ERRORS report was left untouched for so long. -- Testing times ( talk) 17:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Here's my suggestion: I'm kind of annoyed with the Criteria for DYK, so i propse the following: 1 of the DYK (only 1 is needed) should be criteria free, like an interesting fact from any article. Because i find alot of interesting stuff out there, but the right criteria never applies? Any ideas? - - The Spooky One ( talk to me) ( Share the Love with Barnstars) 00:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Disagree. Per How do you turn this on ( talk · contribs). Cirt ( talk) 00:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
DYK is a reward for creating new content, not a general trivia section. I would support JayHenry's idea if it didn't result in 5,355 articles becoming automatically eligible. I completely oppose this proposal as it makes 2,611,519 articles eligible. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 02:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
While I agree that GA articles go unrecognized, I frankly don't think we have the room to include them at DYK which consistantly has a backload. If you look at Wikipedia:Good article statistics the project has had anywhere between 38-73 new GA articles added every month, a load that would frankly swamp DYK. A possible option would be to raise the bar on new articles, thereby opening up room for GA articles. However, given the past objection to raise DYK standards in the past I doubt that will garner much support. Nrswanson ( talk) 13:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I see no problems with this scheme. We currently feature recently expanded articles as new articles, even though they're clearly not. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to also include one or two newly GA-promoted articles. After all, "quality, not quantity" has long been a Wikipedia principle.
As for the DYK backlog, I think we could reduce this a bit by introducing criterion 2b from the Good Article criteria to DYK. At the moment, a long, complex article can get on the main page with only one in-line citation. I've seen some of these (see e.g. the recent Li Zhengji), and I frankly don't think it would be a great loss to get rid of them. Lampman ( talk) 17:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
For those who are unaware of it, we are trying to flip the hooks every four hours or so to get rid of the backlog. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we add to Rule 3 the requirement that the hook citation be to a reliable, verifiable, independent third party source, per WP:RS and WP:V.
The previous two sections, and prior discussion at this discussion page (including discussion about a hook for a biographical article was sourced to an unpublished statement by the subject herself), demonstrate the necessity of this change. Kablammo ( talk) 15:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with limiting it to third-party sources. A history book published by the Federal Highway Administration may be the best source for a fact about the FHWA. -- NE2 16:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
One of the reasons I do not want to discuss individual examples is it could result in criticism of hard-working volunteers who handle a large part of the DYK volume. The point is that we have sourcing standards, and DYK is not an exception to them. These articles appear on the main page, after all-- we should want them to be well-sourced.
NE2's point about the reliability of certain first-party sources is a good one, and those same concerns are under discussion on the sourcing talk pages. (But even while this discussion was going on, a DYK hook for a biographical article appeared on the main page sourced to the subject person's website. There is a difference between sourcing to a governmental agency and a private website, and the personal website is not a reliable source. [19])
As there are however some circumstances where first-party sources can be used, the sourcing requirements are not in fact as rigid as my summary suggested. I propose therefore that we not attempt to summarize sourcing requirements, but instead add to rule 3 that the hook be sourced "to a reliable and verifiable source." That should be sufficient. Kablammo ( talk) 06:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)