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@ Taewangkorea, Tenpop421, and Cwmhiraeth: I'm sorry, but this just screams "ad" to me. The hook is of dubious factual accuracy: smartphones are commodities and some Chinese manufacturer or seller is bound to have shipped a smartphone with a larger battery capacity into the Indian market. It's not that such a fact can't be mentioned in an article, but because of how difficult it is to prove it, something like this would probably require attribution and is thus probably not suitable for DYK. I'm also concerned that the hook fact may be entirely irrelevant to readers outside India. I consider the first hook suggested in Template:Did you know nominations/Samsung Galaxy M30s to be an improvement. feminist ( talk) 13:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
It's not as if we are getting a ton of these hooks though - as far as I can tell, this is only the second one this month. But I get the concern about the promotional aspect - nominators should be looking to highlight facts that are not of a promotional nature wherever possible. Gatoclass ( talk) 01:55, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I may be missing something, but my understanding of MOS:ELLIPSIS is that there is to be a non-breaking space between the word that precedes an ellipsis and the ellipsis itself. However, there is no space between "know" and the ellipsis in the "Did you know..." header on the main page. Should that be changed? Armadillopteryx talk 09:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I had to pull three hooks from prep 3 because I was unable to verify them. Here they are:
- I was unable to verify from the supplied source that it was his home, so far as I can tell it was just the headquarters of his production company - and substituting that wouldn't make for much of a hook. Pinging the nominator Jack Sebastian.
Interestingly, in his post-screening Q&A, Stevens revealed that much of the story was not fabricated: the house is real, the recently acquired headquarters of his production company, and its backstory was only slightly embellished for the film. Inspired, Stevens and his team paused the actual renovation of the house to spin their fictionalized version.— Maile ( talk) 22:00, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Am I missing something? I read that quote given by Maile above when I was trying to confirm the hook and I still fail to see how it confirms that the headquarters of his production company was also his home. Gatoclass ( talk) 01:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Resolved - Zdeňka Wiedermannová-Motyčková
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The article states that it's the first girls' secondary school in Moravia, not Brno. Now, Brno is apparently in Moravia, but the discrepancy was enough to make me doubt the hook accuracy. Also, I couldn't check the sources because they are in a foreign language, and the translation given on the nomination page that is supposed to verify the hook doesn't mention anywhere that it was the first such school. Pinging the nominators SusunW and Ipigott.
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I was able to verify most of this hook after considerable difficulty, but most of the sources refer to the lake as Senie not Suli and I was unable to establish they are one and the same as the article states. Pinging the nominator LlywelynII.
Please note that I will be unable to respond to any comments now as I am about to log off, so these issues if they are going to be resolved today would have to be resolved by others. Gatoclass ( talk) 16:09, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is moved here from my talk page. In a nutshell, I was trying to get suggestions on how to word the admin instructions on image protection for the main page. I'm moving this here, as more admins might see it here rather than my talk page. All I'm trying to do is clarify one small part of the admin instructions for image protection. You people figure it out, please. I'm throwing in the towel on simplifying the wording. — Maile ( talk) 20:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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Maile, re: Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Admin_instructions#Image How do we check/know that Krinkle has protected the image? When I click to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Auto-protected_files/wikipedia/en I see today's DYK image and tomorrow's, but not the image I just moved to queue. -- valereee ( talk) 11:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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@ BlueMoonset: I've done a slight rewriting of Admin instructions#Image. I'm not sure if I got it so it makes sense. You and @ Valereee: might want to have a look and edit anything that needs it. Let me put it this way - it still confuses me somewhat. We are telling the reader to either make sure it's loaded on English Wikipedia, or Commons, either/or, without telling the reader why it can be one or the other. And I don't know how to make it clearer. — Maile ( talk) 00:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Heather Olmstead
HickoryOughtShirt?4 Epicgenius
the highest winning percentage of any women's volleyball coach in NCAA Division I history with zero seasonswould be an empty group. Coaches with wins and at least one season would be automatically included in the group of all coaches with wins. epicgenius ( talk) 16:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Roxburgh was reviwed and approved for a special occasion request on October 28, but never made its way into the corresponding holding area. Could it please be added to Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1? Thank you. Flibirigit ( talk) 19:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
We are back to the more usual longer lists of non-current nominations that need reviewing. There are 33 such nominations this time, those through October 19, all listed below. We have a total of 248 nominations, of which 167 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the four from September.
Over two months old:
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Does an article become ineligible if it spends more than 7 days as a draft in the Draft: or User: namespaces? Thanks! Airbornemihir ( talk) 06:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC) (please ping when replying)
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot ( talk) 22:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Joshua Guerrero may be a good fit for the last person-hook slot, as it mentions The Ghosts of Versailles, but the QPQ hasn't been done yet. Pinging nominator @ Gerda Arendt:. Yoninah ( talk) 10:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that Prep 5 is the set due to run on 2 November and currently has an image hook. I've just nominated Template:Did you know nominations/2019 Rugby World Cup Final to run with a (I think good image). Could I ask if this could be reviewed for Prep 5 with the current image in there being moved up to Prep 4 which is lacking an image lead hook please? The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 11:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
On 24 October, Gatoclass noted above that they had pulled several hooks which couldn't be verified. Two were resolved (sort of), but Template:Did you know nominations/Suli Lake has not been resolved, and seems not to have been reopened and returned to WP:DYKN. Could someone do that? Or if it's something that I could do, could someone please direct me to instructions on doing it? Cheers, RebeccaGreen ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
I expanded Oecanthus fultoni from 573 characters to 2,900 characters. DYK check on the article is messed up for some reason and says "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 44 edits ago on August 30, 2014 Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (1885 days)". I know that I have 215 characters more than is needed, but I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this and if there is a fix. SL93 ( talk) 05:01, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Queue 1 has a hook that says "... that Pixar cinematographer Patrick Lin pioneered the use of a visual lens based on an actual camera lens in Inside Out?
I was wondering what a "visual lens" was. The article also says that, "On Inside Out, he pioneered Pixar's first use of a visual camera lens based on an actual camera lens, so that the animation appears to be filmed on an actual camera." (What are non-visual lenses, I wondered?)
The source [1], however, says "Patrick Lin applied his experience as a live-action cinematographer to push the studio in two new, history-making directions: (1) The first virtual lens to be modeled on a real-world camera lens. Mathematically true to a real camera, Pixar’s virtual lens has the ability to move on a track, dolly, or even appear to be hand-held. Lin and his team did this to help viewers distinguish between the interior and exterior worlds of the film."
I have changed 'visual' to 'virtual' in the article. Could someone please check this and change it in the hook, if you agree that that's what it should be? This will go on the main page in about 10 hours from now! RebeccaGreen ( talk) 14:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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Gatoclass: Having noticed that you are finding some issues with the hooks, I had a look at this one. I have replaced one url that led to a completely different article with one for the cited article (source 4), and replaced citations to source 4 in the final para with citations to source 5, which does contain the information presented in that para. So the hook should be OK now. I must admit, I would have gone with something more hooky like
"... that the assassin bug
Rhynocoris longifrons is attracted to the smell of moth larvae?"
(And I won't be butting in on any more hooks tonight - it's bedtime here!)
RebeccaGreen (
talk) 13:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- I moved this from p2 to p1 in order to allow some time for more discussion of this hook. There is no indication in the article, or the provided source, that these two women are directly compared in any way in the book. Rather, the implication seems to be that what these two have in common is that they are both "gutsy women". However, this is self-evident from the book title. Self-evident hooks are by definition uninteresting. IMO this hook either needs to be refactored, or a new hook found.
Please note that I will be unable to contribute further to this discussion until I am back online tomorrow. Gatoclass ( talk) 14:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Maryul
Kautilya3 Zanhe I see this has been discussed at the nom, but I'm still confused. Maryul of Ngaris means "lowland of West Tibet", but the article doesn't say that Ngaris is West Tibet. It says that Maryul of Ngaris means lowland of Ngari, and that Maryul was a West Tibetan kingdom. Is that enough to convey that Ngari is/was West Tibet? Normally we'd link to Ngari within the article to provide that context, but in this case we intentionally are not linking to it because it doesn't provide help, and instead the article simply links to Tibet. If this weren't an issue involving the hook, it wouldn't matter, but I was flipping back and forth between nom and article trying to figure this out. -- valereee ( talk) 12:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I requested on WP:DYKNA for Template:Did you know nominations/Liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our times to run on November 1. Can the current image hook in Prep 4 be swapped to another date? Thanks, feminist ( talk) 05:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Done @ Yoninah: I have promoted it to Prep 4. I fail to be convinced that a video makes us look more supportive than anything else. We've had some pretty funky lead images on DYK, which I would rather not have seen. One of which could have been seen as a support of blatant obscenity and/or outright pornography. Could a chant be be worse than that? We don't censor the Main Page. I thought DYK had guts for garters. — Maile ( talk) 16:55, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I had requested November 1 for XHFAMX-TDT and it somehow never got into the special occasion holding area, so now it's not in the appropriate queue. The hook is timed to the launch of this TV station. Any potential remedy? Raymie ( t • c) 18:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Yoninah: you and I are doing the same dance on this one. So, please finish it how you think it should look. — Maile ( talk) 19:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
This is sourced to an interview in undergroundunderdogs.com, not sure that's really enough for a DYK hook, and I agree with Cwmhiraeth that the term 'professional swimmer', although it's used in the source, is odd. None of the other hooks were approved. I'm wondering about sending this back for further review, but I thought I'd see if anyone else thinks we can fix it here. -- valereee ( talk) 12:15, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
This had a request for this date because it's the world finals, but the main article is already in the set, also requested for this date, which puts two rugby articles in the set. Is this still appropriate? -- valereee ( talk) 12:29, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello!
I have been recommended on the WikiProject:Medicine talkpage to put forward my article on Thomas Morstede for the Did you know section on the main page. My article is 10 days old, however it is my first article. I was just wondering how I actually nominate my page for Thomas Morstede? I have read the rules on the project page but I cannot find instructions about how to this. Any helping pointing me in the right direction would be much appreciated!
ChocolateOrange1 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
My hook "Did you know...that the relics of St Adelphus attracted so many pilgrims by the 12th century, that the Benedictines of Neuwiller-lès-Saverne Abbey had to build a secondary church nearby?" has been approved, and I'm very glad about it. However, I am aware that a sentence with two "thats" is a little labored. How can I put it better? "...that the Benedictines of Neuwiller-lès-Saverne Abbey had to build a second church because the relics of Saint Adelphus attracted too many pilgrims in the 12th century?" Not sure about this at all. It's better to open a sentence with the more unusual fact, than to conclude it. Inputs are very welcome! -- Edelseider ( talk) 20:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Slywriter ( talk) 01:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
This hook reads "... that Brazil was the only country with an exhibit at the 1918 Bronx "World's Fair"?"
The previous paragraph ends with the sentence "Other attractions included ... 15 large pavilions, including Chinese and North Sea-themed pavilions, as well as those for fine arts, liberal arts, and American achievements." So, it seems that there were American exhibits, and Brazil was the only other country that exhibited, apart from the US? It might be good to tweak the hook a bit, as it sounds like the only exhibits were from Brazil. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 08:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
... that at the 2001 Australian Grand Prix? (It might mean leaving off the winning driver.) Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 17:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, coming late to the discussion here. User:Gatoclass trimmed off half of this hook, but I feel he eliminated the quirky half and kept the non-quirky. As he is now offline, pinging Maile, Valereee, Casliber, Amakuru, Vanamonde and others for help here. I would write it:
The consensus is against a blanket ban on the inclusion of currently available or recently released commercial products at DYK.
Over the past 1.5 months or so reviewers at DYK have raised concerns regarding currently available commercial products going on the front page as a DYK (newly-released smartphones in particular). They have thought that such newly-released smartphones may act as a form of advertising. Thus, after several discussions that failed to gain meaningful progress, I am holding this RfC to get the opinions of other editors on the suitability of the inclusion of currently available commercial products at DYK. Taewangkorea ( talk) 20:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Vycl1994 and Gerda Arendt: I was wondering if there would be a way to make this more eye-catchy. It's not really that interesting of a hook unless there's an emphasis on the "Italian priests founded a group in Taiwan" part, and considering the position of that part in the hook, it can be easy to miss. Maybe a rewording is in order? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 09:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Is the dance troupe notable enough for its own article? If so, it could be blue-linked, which would solve the problem. Otherwise, I would just delete the name as without a link it serves no purpose. Gatoclass ( talk) 13:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
I have submitted Template:Did you know nominations/W. A. Fry with a special occasion request for November 11 / Remembrance Day special occasion request. I apologize for the short notice. Thank you for consideration. Flibirigit ( talk) 20:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
The fourth hook in
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MANdARAX •
XAЯAbИAM 19:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
This was marked for closure by Edelseider as it was nominated one month after creation. This the nominator GeneralPoxter's first nomination, and per a later comment, was unaware of the creation time requirement for DYK. After discussion with GeneralPoxter, they mentioned that they are open to requesting a one-time IAR exception for the nom. Seeking second opinion on whether or not an exemption should be granted here. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 22:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
There are 21 non-current nominations nominations that need reviewing, those through October 28, all listed below. We have a total of 263 nominations, of which 168 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the three over a month old.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 16:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
We're coming up on the 6 million mark. I'm wondering if DYK could do a special occasion set to run that day? Don't have any very good ideas on what that would be. Maybe a series of new good articles from some of the earliest articles, or DYKs for a selection of Wikipedia:First 100 pages or something like that? -- valereee ( talk) 18:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
We could perhaps waive the usual rules to run the 6 millionth article - assuming it's not a mere stub - using the fact that it's the six millionth as the hook. Gatoclass ( talk) 13:54, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The last hook of Queue 4, nominated by Vanamonde93, features a song with lyrics by Robert Hunter, who died about six weeks ago. I think it would be a wonderful tribute if we made this a picture hook. This would require adding a photo to Dire Wolf (song); there are two Commons photos in the Hunter article (my preference would be the black-and-white one). Any thoughts? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:02, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
This record was set back in 2012, is it still extant? Gatoclass ( talk) 11:30, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
The image used for this hook is of a creature called Euryotis Brantsii, but Brants' whistling rat is Parotomys Brantsii. How do I know these are the same species? There is nothing in the article to confirm it. Pinging the nominator, Cwmhiraeth. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I am unable to confirm that the couple played Games "often" together, or on an "upright piano". Pinging the nominator, Gerda Arendt. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:47, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I removed the "on an upright piano" clause as it served no purpose, but have altered "Hungarian pianist" to "Hungarian pianists" as it was unclear from the hook previously what instrument the husband was playing. I think the hook reads well now and I have consequently activated the bot for the set. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
This hook makes it sound as if the wall fell of its own accord. Suggested tweak:
Done -- valereee ( talk) 19:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- I can barely follow the narrative in this article, and can't see any place where it clearly states that this woman spied for the Soviets. Can somebody please point it out to me in the text? In the meantime, I have pulled it from the prep in question as I am about to promote that set. Gatoclass ( talk) 10:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I have reserved the image slot for the Gara Medouar hook and image in Template:Did you know nominations/Gara Medouar. As both Cwmhiraeth and I worked on this hook, we need someone else to promote it. Note: After promotion, please leave the template open so the second hook can be promoted afterwards. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 11:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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Can we move the hook for Special Group in QUEUE 5 up to the second position? I think this DYK has a huge potential since most of my Indian friends have been quite intrigued by the article. (BTW India has the second largest English speaking population, so my request is justified)— Vaibhavafro 💬 10:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok, Understood. Thanks for finally explaining.— Vaibhavafro 💬 11:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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talk) 15:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)I note that this hook "... that the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he would "rather be dead in a ditch" than seek an extension to Brexit under the terms of the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019? " is in Q6.
Parliament has been dissolved and the general election campaign in the United Kingdom has started and I wonder if this contravenes the rule against promoting political causes? Cowlibob ( talk) 12:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I've noticed that there are many dates in the Count of DYK Hooks that are empty, but still showing up in this list. For example: from June 29 - October 4 there are 14 dates listed in this count. However, there are actually only 4 dates with outstanding nominations (sept 3, sept 21, sept 27, oct 3). The other 10 are not in the older nominations section but still show up in the count. I was wondering why this was the case. Thanks! -- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 00:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I don't find this hook to be quirky or even interesting - lots of people have vanity plates which reference their field of work. Would it bother anybody if I substituted this for ALT0 from the nomination page? Gatoclass ( talk) 10:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
. Also, can we change "registration plate"? In the US, I've never heard that term used. It should be "license plate", "vanity plate", or the term used by CA DMV: "personalized plate".
MANdARAX •
XAЯAbИAM 19:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Again, so far as I can tell, the source mentions only venomous saliva, no other source of toxins. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
This may be an ENGVAR issue, but I find the use of the word 'lasting' a bit strange in this hook, especially as the station didn't last:
I see that the words in the source are "WYFI, the FM-only outlet that lasted for many months on faith and LPs", which for me is fine, as it indicates a period of time. Without a time, I would find it more natural to say 'ran' or 'survived' on faith and LPs. I don't know if this is an issue for anyone else? RebeccaGreen ( talk) 08:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
The quote is us quoting the writer of the source material, who writes Dwyer 'had reached the conclusion that contracting was a mug's game' but doesn't attribute that term to Dwyer. Does this hook feel like it might be taken as indicating those were Dwyer's words? -- valereee ( talk) 16:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I know this has been discussed at the nom and here on talk, but I'm still having trouble finding the sentence in the article with citation that supports this hook sentence? -- valereee ( talk) 16:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived nearly two days ago, so here is an updated list with all 31 non-current nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 7. Right now we have a total of 291 nominations, of which 189 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially those from September and the first half of October.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 00:16, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I would like to invite more editors to review a past DYK nomination that has been rejected as it appeals to precise understanding of some wiki guidelines. In Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Rue_Sainte-Catherine_Roundup, user Gatoclass rejected DYK nomination of an article on a Nazi roundup during WW2, on the basis that the article contains, among other things, a list of the names of the victims sent to the exterminations camps. I respectfully disagree with this opinion, for reasons that I exposed as well. I would like to invite other editors to give their opinion on the matter, encouraging everyone to remain courteous (as has been the case so far)! Iry-Hor ( talk) 08:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
It seems like Gatoclass is the only one promoting preps to queues, which happens only one at a time, once a day. Your prep builders have nothing to do most of the time. Pinging Valereee, Maile, Casliber, Vanamonde, Amakuru. If everyone is busy, we must figure out a workable system to keep prep sets open. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 13:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Kosack Narutolovehinata5 Yoninah
The sentences in the article read As a result, the Racecourse Ground is officially recognised as the oldest football ground in the world that continues to host international matches by Guinness World Records.[5] The next ground to host an international that is still in use is Hampden Park in Glasgow, which did not host its first match for another 27 years,[6] and has hosted more Welsh international matches than any other ground. which to me sounds like Hampden Park in Glasgow has hosted more Welsh international matches? -- valereee ( talk) 19:03, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm thinking this one might benefit from some additional eyes for neutrality. There've been a few IPs making partisanish-feeling changes, not what I'd call edit warring, but it could be a concern once the thing hits the main page. -- valereee ( talk) 21:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
... is the birthday of Benjamin Britten, and the day of the patron saint of music, St Cecilia. I suggested an article for the occasion, but it appeared today already. So, I wrote a new one and hope for speedy processing of Template:Did you know nominations/A Hymn of St Columba ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Poking around a bit I found this (linked from this page) and I have absolutely no idea what it's talking about. It's been tagged for being out of date for over three years, has zero watchers, and has had zero views in 2019. Should we update or mark it as historical or something? Pinging Pppery who last edited it and Shubinator whose bot it once described. -- --valereee ( talk) 13:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Prep 1 has * ... that after her husband committed suicide, Li Yin supported herself by selling her paintings (example pictured)?
Some people don't support the phrase "committed suicide" ("committed a crime ..."), can we phrase that more neutral? Why say at all how he died? Sensation? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1:... that Li Yin's paintings (example pictured) were so sought after that forty imitators turned out fakes in her area?
Hello all, I am wondering whether Susie Owens is still eligible for DYK. I expanded it 5x on the 10th (seven and a half days ago) while it was being considered for deletion, and the AfD closed as keep earlier today. Cheers, gnu 57 19:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Right now we have 203 approved nominations out of 304 proposed. WikiCup is coming up in 6 weeks. Are we ready for a short run of 2 sets per day? Yoninah ( talk) 21:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Gerda Arendt and Cwmhiraeth: For A Hymn of St Columba, I was not able to verify the hook on page 8. Is it in another source? Kees08 (Talk) 02:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Alicelixuan and Cwmhiraeth: For Syritta pipiens, could we change the hook from ... that the hoverfly Syritta pipiens makes sharp darts in flight to facilitate mating? to ... that the hoverfly Syritta pipiens makes sharp movements in flight to facilitate mating? I imagined it made projectiles until I opened the article. Kees08 (Talk) 02:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Here's an interesting fact that isn't in the article (which should be included there and arguably in the hook): Tracking is probably sexual in function and often culminates in a rapid dart towards the leading fly, after the latter has settled. During these “rapes” the male accelerates continuously at about 500 cm · s−2, turning just before it lands so that it is in the copulatory position. The male rapes flies of either sex indicating that successful copulation involves more trial and error than recognition. Source. Gatoclass ( talk) 10:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
@ CeeGee and Morgan695: For Mustafa Güzelgöz, are either of you native (or fluent) Turkish speakers? Google translate gives the name Donkey Librarian, which seems more likely than Librarian with Donkey, especially since they were mocking him. I wanted to verify that the hook is a valid translation, since the sources are in Turkish. Kees08 (Talk) 02:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The links in the photo page for the lead image in this set don't go to a photo of Eugen Ernst, they go to a photograph of a photographer. And when I do a search of the site, there appears to be no image of Eugen Ernst on it. Pinging the nominator HerkusMonte and reviewer Gerda Arendt. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I see that Maile cropped the image. Is that a good idea? I liked the original image, showing him with his hand on the book, it's still perfectly viewable at the given resolution and IMO is more compelling than just the face. Anybody else with an opinion? Gatoclass ( talk) 12:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333, Winged Blades of Godric, and 97198: To be honest, I don't really see how the hook as written could appeal to non-British readers. I understand that Grade II listing is similar to being listed as a National Historical Site in the US, but the hook lacks context to allow those unfamiliar with the concept to understand it. Perhaps a mention of why the signal box was listed (because, according to the article, it is one of only two such structures still in good condition) could be mentioned to give the article broader appeal? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 11:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey, Andrew Davidson, let's discuss. We don't actually prefer shorter hooks over longer, as long as they're shorter than the maximum. We need both longer hook and shorter ones in order to create a set that won't be too short. If we use all short hooks, we end up with a too-short set and sometimes end up adding a ninth hook. -- --valereee ( talk) 19:04, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts. This requires not that the writer make all his sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects only in outline, but that every word tell.
— Elementary Principles of Composition, The Elements of Style
In Germany, 24 November is Totensonntag, or Ewigkeitssonntag, time to think of the dead. Hugo Distler wrote a piece of music especially for the occasion, Template:Did you know nominations/Totentanz (Distler). It's approved but was not moved to special occasions, which I may not do. Help? Squeeze in. Another one, dedicated to a person who fell in World War I, was finally just approved, Template:Did you know nominations/En blanc et noir. 17 November would have been perfect, but is past. I know you want to spread out and no two in one set. If we have 2 sets per day by Sunday, we could avoid that problem, otherwise please don't get it too close to Thanksgiving. Sorry for needing extra attention again. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:29, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Curious as to why the inordinate number of radio station hooks lately. Jmar67 ( talk) 00:32, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Kurdish civil engineer and politician
Hevrin Khalaf,
who worked for tolerance
among Christians, Arabs, and Kurds,
was killed
in the
2019 Turkish offensive into Syria?
... was on the Main page, is in the DYK archive, but I can't find a trace of the DYK on the article talk. I added it to the stats anyway, but wonder what happened. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:34, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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Also in Prep 2, I think this hook is somewhat ambiguous, as I thought at first that Wolf was commenting on relationships within the Trump family. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 06:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived yesterday, so here is an updated list with 37 nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 15. We have a total of 306 nominations, of which 202 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the ones from September and October.
Over two months old:
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 07:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Andrew Davidson Cwmhiraeth Yoninah
I'm not sure about this hook. It's sourced, but what the source and the article both say is that a small chariot drawn by four muzzled mastiffs once ran between the Farthing Pie House and a nearby pond, giving rides to children. Is that really servicing the tavern? I was thinking to turn it around:
ALT1: ... that a small chariot drawn by four muzzled mastiffs once ran between the Farthing Pie House (pictured) and a nearby pond, giving rides to children?
...but that put the target article pretty far into the sentence, so wanted to see if anyone objected. --valereee ( talk) 12:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
While I don't think it's quite accurate to say the pie house was "serviced" by the chariot, ALT1 implies that the chariot ran from the pie house to the pond. I've tried to come up with an acceptable alt hook but haven't quite managed it yet. If nobody else does, I will probably try to come up with one later. Gatoclass ( talk) 15:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that a small chariot drawn by four muzzled mastiffs once ran to the Farthing Pie House (pictured) from a nearby pond, giving rides to children? --valereee ( talk) 15:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
There are 23 unreferenced paragraphs in this article. We need a minimum of a citation on every one. Is there time to get this done, or should I pull it and replace? --valereee ( talk) 17:04, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I recently nominanated Dinosaur Ridge (Gangwon) for DYK and it is currently in prep 2. However, today, I came accross this official document that states that the official name is " Gongnyong Ridge" (Gongnyong is dinosaur in Korean). I made the article move, but can someone change the title in the hook, or can I do it myself? Taewangkorea ( talk) 00:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
This hook, currently in Prep 6, reads "... that women on display at a Victorian charity bazaar hard-sold wares to men in a sexualized way?"
The article also reads "At the charity bazaar, men purchased goods from women who were on display in a sexualized way."
The source ( [5], no page numbers in this Google Books preview, but this is at Result 4 of 5 for "charity bazaar") reads, in part,
"In charity bazaars, ladies of the upper-classes found opportunities to demonstrate artistic talents that would otherwise have remained in the privacy of the domestic sphere ... Women, young and old, and sometimes several generations of a family worked at these bazaars to produce profits for selected charities. The business-like seriousness of this selling by women along with the inevitable public mixing of the genders that resulted from these bazaars frightened observers. .... The mixing of the sexes at the bazaars with ladies behind the counters conversing with gentleman customers brought the most censure. Seeing and being seen, display of oneself, ranked in importance with display of one's artworks or fancy articles, and for younger women it was especially important as an acceptable way to 'interview' various gentleman. ... Holland sarcastically compared the obvious display of respectable young women at bazaars to that of bar-maids in a public house. The classes attending and exhibiting at charitable bazaars, however, ranked much higher on the social scale. The best classes in their best dress, both men and women, were at the core of the exhibition."
I don't find that the tone of the hook, or the sentence in the article, fits with the impression that the source gives me - that "women on display" simply meant women serving behind counters, "on display" in the sense that they were visible in the public setting of a charitable bazaar, and the "sexualized way" that women sold to men was that women were actually conversing with and selling to men, rather than remaining in the privacy of the domestic sphere, and not interacting at all with men they didn't know.
Perhaps the hook would be effective, as readers might expect to find evidence in Victorian bazaars of what we today would think of as sexualised selling - but I find it (and the sentence in the article) rather misleading, without further clarification of what that meant in the Victorian context.
If others aren't concerned, I'll leave it, but otherwise I would offer to add more to the article to clarify the situations described, and perhaps suggest an amended hook too. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Judging by what I've read of the source, the original hook looks wildly misleading. Might I suggest something along the following lines:
I have five DYK noms, but I am unsure how many reviews I have had. Link:
Special:Permalink/927663327
Here are my questions:
Please ping any responses. Cheers! – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 00:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Something about WP:DYKN from November 23 onward is broken, starting with {{ Did you know nominations/Deep biosphere}} not displaying, but I can't put my finger on it. The offending edit is this one. RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) ( talk) 20:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
This article makes it clear that Yang was 99 by western reckoning, 100 by eastern reckoning, and I'm fine with using 99 in the hook, but since the subject is Chinese, should we use eastern reckoning? --valereee ( talk) 15:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
See source provided in nom to support this hook
Jesswade88 Achaea Whispyhistory Epipelagic Cwmhiraeth
This source is an interview; not sure that's enough to support that her research caused a change in the rules, and beyond that I'm not sure she's even claiming that herself in this interview? Whose rules is she claming it changed? From the hook I thought it meant some country's regulations had changed? --valereee ( talk) 19:30, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
I kinda hate to ask this, but I can't find my nomination on the main nominations page. What am I dong wrong? I made it last night. I couldn't find it then, and still can't find it. Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Robert_Burns_(Stevenson) - Freekee ( talk) 18:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived a couple of hours ago, so here is an updated list with 37 nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 21. We have a total of 323 nominations, of which 184 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the eight remaining from October.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 03:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
The sentence supporting that she wrote on the history of AIDS does not have a citation. I tried checking the two sources that are used in that paragraph, but the first doesn't mention this and the second isn't available to me. --valereee ( talk) 14:03, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Farang Rak Tham Thanissaro Gerda Arendt Yoninah
The sentence in the article which support the hook: This was intended as an alternative to Valentine's Day, in which Thai youth often aim to lose their virginity. does not have a citation. --valereee ( talk) 14:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I nominated Template:Did you know nominations/Bernd Loebe, with his birthday in mind. Little conflict: I was happy about Vivaldi's Magnificat the same day, because we'll sing it that day. But in case it can be only one, the music could go a different day better than the person. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Calling on reviewers to review more bio hooks! It's getting very hard to build balanced prep sets without them. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 23:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
It looks like Template:Did you know nominations/Missouri v. Frye never made its way from Approved to Prep. Ergo Sum 04:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
This hook is 210 characters, which is a bit above the usual limits. It was ALT4 of the nomination, although a somewhat shorter hook (ALT3, which is below the 200 character limit) was also approved. Would it be a better option if the hook is substituted with a slightly revised version of ALT3 (reworded since the ALT3 wording since it reads a bit like a run-on sentence)? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 09:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
because sexual displays on the food source were not visible in the dimly lit forestis copied from the source. Yoninah ( talk) 12:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Hey, The ed17, one of the meanings of 'straight mile' is a full mile in length. It was a play on words. If you remove straight, I think you need to turn it into 'mile long' so it'll still make sense, but I think that change kind of robs it of the play on words. --valereee ( talk) 03:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Valereee and I have been working on a proposal to form a new usergroup whose members would be able to edit content on the main page or its fully protected subsidiaries. Since it directly affects this project, and is based in part on the shortage of administrators working here, we would like to invite feedback on the proposal at User talk:Vanamonde93/Main page editor. The proposal itself is at User:Vanamonde93/Main page editor. In particular, we would like to hear it if you are opposed to the whole thing on principle, because in that case we would rather spend our time promoting queues than in organizing a large-scale RfC. Best, Vanamonde ( Talk) 16:57, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so here is an updated list with 37 nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 27. We have a total of 337 nominations, of which 217 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the three remaining from October and the three from the first week in November.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 06:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
A new editor has posted a blank nomination template at Template:Did you know nominations/Did you know and posted it at WP:DYKN under November 24. I am in touch with the user on her talk page to guide her through the process. Could someone delete this errant template? Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 16:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
The image in today's DYK has been supressed as a likely copyvio - see Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Errors in Did you know .... Even if it is subsequently kept as free use this could take some time to sort out. Is there an precedent for what to do in such an instance? Perhaps swap the hooks around to move one currently in the DYK with a suitable picture up to the top? There is a good free use picture of Stanisław Lem that might accompany the A Stanislaw Lem Reader hook, though as yet the article does not include the picture. Other articles that have free use images, though of varying quality and usefulness, are Colleen Barrett and Tell Qudadi. Or would having no picture in this set be preferred? Thoughts? Spokoyni ( talk) 11:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Disappearance of Steven Koecher has been approved for a December 13 run date. Could an administrator swap out the second hook in this set, Laura Cooper, and replace it with this one? Pinging Maile, Casliber, Valereee, Gatoclass, and others. Thank you, Yoninah ( talk) 20:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
According to DYKUpdateBot/Errors, the update stalled because "Template:Did you know is missing a Hooks or HooksEnd" I looked into the template history and found two edits: The right-hand arrow was accidentally removed with one edit. 1 A second edit removed the rest of the word. 2. I never knew about the hooks before, so I hope I corrected it as it should have been. Those words already seem OK in Queue, so maybe it;'s just that the bot couldn't remove the old set without the "hooks" wording. This whole project is a classroom everyday. Oh, hooray! I see it updated now! — Maile ( talk) 01:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Shubinator: The DYKUpdateBot seems to be down, and no update happened since yesterday. — Maile ( talk) 00:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Pinging Gerda Arendt and Cwmhiraeth: the Ospedale itself is not pictured, despite the claim of the hook. This is illustrated with a photo of a church that wasn't completed until twenty years after Vivaldi's death (and not started until four years after he died), which wasn't the Ospedale itself (though nearby; the original Ospedale building now houses, according to its linked article, the Metropole Hotel in Venice), and in which the Magnificat soloists in the hook were unlikely to have performed. (Additionally, the pictured facade is from the 20th century.) The hook itself seems otherwise okay, but the picture doesn't go with it. BlueMoonset ( talk) 08:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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@ Taewangkorea, Tenpop421, and Cwmhiraeth: I'm sorry, but this just screams "ad" to me. The hook is of dubious factual accuracy: smartphones are commodities and some Chinese manufacturer or seller is bound to have shipped a smartphone with a larger battery capacity into the Indian market. It's not that such a fact can't be mentioned in an article, but because of how difficult it is to prove it, something like this would probably require attribution and is thus probably not suitable for DYK. I'm also concerned that the hook fact may be entirely irrelevant to readers outside India. I consider the first hook suggested in Template:Did you know nominations/Samsung Galaxy M30s to be an improvement. feminist ( talk) 13:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
It's not as if we are getting a ton of these hooks though - as far as I can tell, this is only the second one this month. But I get the concern about the promotional aspect - nominators should be looking to highlight facts that are not of a promotional nature wherever possible. Gatoclass ( talk) 01:55, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I may be missing something, but my understanding of MOS:ELLIPSIS is that there is to be a non-breaking space between the word that precedes an ellipsis and the ellipsis itself. However, there is no space between "know" and the ellipsis in the "Did you know..." header on the main page. Should that be changed? Armadillopteryx talk 09:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I had to pull three hooks from prep 3 because I was unable to verify them. Here they are:
- I was unable to verify from the supplied source that it was his home, so far as I can tell it was just the headquarters of his production company - and substituting that wouldn't make for much of a hook. Pinging the nominator Jack Sebastian.
Interestingly, in his post-screening Q&A, Stevens revealed that much of the story was not fabricated: the house is real, the recently acquired headquarters of his production company, and its backstory was only slightly embellished for the film. Inspired, Stevens and his team paused the actual renovation of the house to spin their fictionalized version.— Maile ( talk) 22:00, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Am I missing something? I read that quote given by Maile above when I was trying to confirm the hook and I still fail to see how it confirms that the headquarters of his production company was also his home. Gatoclass ( talk) 01:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Resolved - Zdeňka Wiedermannová-Motyčková
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The article states that it's the first girls' secondary school in Moravia, not Brno. Now, Brno is apparently in Moravia, but the discrepancy was enough to make me doubt the hook accuracy. Also, I couldn't check the sources because they are in a foreign language, and the translation given on the nomination page that is supposed to verify the hook doesn't mention anywhere that it was the first such school. Pinging the nominators SusunW and Ipigott.
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I was able to verify most of this hook after considerable difficulty, but most of the sources refer to the lake as Senie not Suli and I was unable to establish they are one and the same as the article states. Pinging the nominator LlywelynII.
Please note that I will be unable to respond to any comments now as I am about to log off, so these issues if they are going to be resolved today would have to be resolved by others. Gatoclass ( talk) 16:09, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is moved here from my talk page. In a nutshell, I was trying to get suggestions on how to word the admin instructions on image protection for the main page. I'm moving this here, as more admins might see it here rather than my talk page. All I'm trying to do is clarify one small part of the admin instructions for image protection. You people figure it out, please. I'm throwing in the towel on simplifying the wording. — Maile ( talk) 20:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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Maile, re: Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Admin_instructions#Image How do we check/know that Krinkle has protected the image? When I click to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Auto-protected_files/wikipedia/en I see today's DYK image and tomorrow's, but not the image I just moved to queue. -- valereee ( talk) 11:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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@ BlueMoonset: I've done a slight rewriting of Admin instructions#Image. I'm not sure if I got it so it makes sense. You and @ Valereee: might want to have a look and edit anything that needs it. Let me put it this way - it still confuses me somewhat. We are telling the reader to either make sure it's loaded on English Wikipedia, or Commons, either/or, without telling the reader why it can be one or the other. And I don't know how to make it clearer. — Maile ( talk) 00:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Heather Olmstead
HickoryOughtShirt?4 Epicgenius
the highest winning percentage of any women's volleyball coach in NCAA Division I history with zero seasonswould be an empty group. Coaches with wins and at least one season would be automatically included in the group of all coaches with wins. epicgenius ( talk) 16:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Roxburgh was reviwed and approved for a special occasion request on October 28, but never made its way into the corresponding holding area. Could it please be added to Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1? Thank you. Flibirigit ( talk) 19:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
We are back to the more usual longer lists of non-current nominations that need reviewing. There are 33 such nominations this time, those through October 19, all listed below. We have a total of 248 nominations, of which 167 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the four from September.
Over two months old:
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 01:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Does an article become ineligible if it spends more than 7 days as a draft in the Draft: or User: namespaces? Thanks! Airbornemihir ( talk) 06:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC) (please ping when replying)
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot ( talk) 22:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Joshua Guerrero may be a good fit for the last person-hook slot, as it mentions The Ghosts of Versailles, but the QPQ hasn't been done yet. Pinging nominator @ Gerda Arendt:. Yoninah ( talk) 10:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that Prep 5 is the set due to run on 2 November and currently has an image hook. I've just nominated Template:Did you know nominations/2019 Rugby World Cup Final to run with a (I think good image). Could I ask if this could be reviewed for Prep 5 with the current image in there being moved up to Prep 4 which is lacking an image lead hook please? The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 11:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
On 24 October, Gatoclass noted above that they had pulled several hooks which couldn't be verified. Two were resolved (sort of), but Template:Did you know nominations/Suli Lake has not been resolved, and seems not to have been reopened and returned to WP:DYKN. Could someone do that? Or if it's something that I could do, could someone please direct me to instructions on doing it? Cheers, RebeccaGreen ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
I expanded Oecanthus fultoni from 573 characters to 2,900 characters. DYK check on the article is messed up for some reason and says "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 44 edits ago on August 30, 2014 Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (1885 days)". I know that I have 215 characters more than is needed, but I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this and if there is a fix. SL93 ( talk) 05:01, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Queue 1 has a hook that says "... that Pixar cinematographer Patrick Lin pioneered the use of a visual lens based on an actual camera lens in Inside Out?
I was wondering what a "visual lens" was. The article also says that, "On Inside Out, he pioneered Pixar's first use of a visual camera lens based on an actual camera lens, so that the animation appears to be filmed on an actual camera." (What are non-visual lenses, I wondered?)
The source [1], however, says "Patrick Lin applied his experience as a live-action cinematographer to push the studio in two new, history-making directions: (1) The first virtual lens to be modeled on a real-world camera lens. Mathematically true to a real camera, Pixar’s virtual lens has the ability to move on a track, dolly, or even appear to be hand-held. Lin and his team did this to help viewers distinguish between the interior and exterior worlds of the film."
I have changed 'visual' to 'virtual' in the article. Could someone please check this and change it in the hook, if you agree that that's what it should be? This will go on the main page in about 10 hours from now! RebeccaGreen ( talk) 14:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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Gatoclass: Having noticed that you are finding some issues with the hooks, I had a look at this one. I have replaced one url that led to a completely different article with one for the cited article (source 4), and replaced citations to source 4 in the final para with citations to source 5, which does contain the information presented in that para. So the hook should be OK now. I must admit, I would have gone with something more hooky like
"... that the assassin bug
Rhynocoris longifrons is attracted to the smell of moth larvae?"
(And I won't be butting in on any more hooks tonight - it's bedtime here!)
RebeccaGreen (
talk) 13:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- I moved this from p2 to p1 in order to allow some time for more discussion of this hook. There is no indication in the article, or the provided source, that these two women are directly compared in any way in the book. Rather, the implication seems to be that what these two have in common is that they are both "gutsy women". However, this is self-evident from the book title. Self-evident hooks are by definition uninteresting. IMO this hook either needs to be refactored, or a new hook found.
Please note that I will be unable to contribute further to this discussion until I am back online tomorrow. Gatoclass ( talk) 14:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Maryul
Kautilya3 Zanhe I see this has been discussed at the nom, but I'm still confused. Maryul of Ngaris means "lowland of West Tibet", but the article doesn't say that Ngaris is West Tibet. It says that Maryul of Ngaris means lowland of Ngari, and that Maryul was a West Tibetan kingdom. Is that enough to convey that Ngari is/was West Tibet? Normally we'd link to Ngari within the article to provide that context, but in this case we intentionally are not linking to it because it doesn't provide help, and instead the article simply links to Tibet. If this weren't an issue involving the hook, it wouldn't matter, but I was flipping back and forth between nom and article trying to figure this out. -- valereee ( talk) 12:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I requested on WP:DYKNA for Template:Did you know nominations/Liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our times to run on November 1. Can the current image hook in Prep 4 be swapped to another date? Thanks, feminist ( talk) 05:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Done @ Yoninah: I have promoted it to Prep 4. I fail to be convinced that a video makes us look more supportive than anything else. We've had some pretty funky lead images on DYK, which I would rather not have seen. One of which could have been seen as a support of blatant obscenity and/or outright pornography. Could a chant be be worse than that? We don't censor the Main Page. I thought DYK had guts for garters. — Maile ( talk) 16:55, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I had requested November 1 for XHFAMX-TDT and it somehow never got into the special occasion holding area, so now it's not in the appropriate queue. The hook is timed to the launch of this TV station. Any potential remedy? Raymie ( t • c) 18:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Yoninah: you and I are doing the same dance on this one. So, please finish it how you think it should look. — Maile ( talk) 19:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
In less than two hours Did you know will need to be updated, however the next queue either has no hooks or has not been approved by an administrator. It would be much appreciated if an administrator would take the time to ensure that DYK is updated on time by following these instructions:
Then, when the time is right I will be able to update the template. Thanks and have a good day, DYKUpdateBot ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
This is sourced to an interview in undergroundunderdogs.com, not sure that's really enough for a DYK hook, and I agree with Cwmhiraeth that the term 'professional swimmer', although it's used in the source, is odd. None of the other hooks were approved. I'm wondering about sending this back for further review, but I thought I'd see if anyone else thinks we can fix it here. -- valereee ( talk) 12:15, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
This had a request for this date because it's the world finals, but the main article is already in the set, also requested for this date, which puts two rugby articles in the set. Is this still appropriate? -- valereee ( talk) 12:29, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello!
I have been recommended on the WikiProject:Medicine talkpage to put forward my article on Thomas Morstede for the Did you know section on the main page. My article is 10 days old, however it is my first article. I was just wondering how I actually nominate my page for Thomas Morstede? I have read the rules on the project page but I cannot find instructions about how to this. Any helping pointing me in the right direction would be much appreciated!
ChocolateOrange1 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
My hook "Did you know...that the relics of St Adelphus attracted so many pilgrims by the 12th century, that the Benedictines of Neuwiller-lès-Saverne Abbey had to build a secondary church nearby?" has been approved, and I'm very glad about it. However, I am aware that a sentence with two "thats" is a little labored. How can I put it better? "...that the Benedictines of Neuwiller-lès-Saverne Abbey had to build a second church because the relics of Saint Adelphus attracted too many pilgrims in the 12th century?" Not sure about this at all. It's better to open a sentence with the more unusual fact, than to conclude it. Inputs are very welcome! -- Edelseider ( talk) 20:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Slywriter ( talk) 01:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
This hook reads "... that Brazil was the only country with an exhibit at the 1918 Bronx "World's Fair"?"
The previous paragraph ends with the sentence "Other attractions included ... 15 large pavilions, including Chinese and North Sea-themed pavilions, as well as those for fine arts, liberal arts, and American achievements." So, it seems that there were American exhibits, and Brazil was the only other country that exhibited, apart from the US? It might be good to tweak the hook a bit, as it sounds like the only exhibits were from Brazil. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 08:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
... that at the 2001 Australian Grand Prix? (It might mean leaving off the winning driver.) Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 17:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, coming late to the discussion here. User:Gatoclass trimmed off half of this hook, but I feel he eliminated the quirky half and kept the non-quirky. As he is now offline, pinging Maile, Valereee, Casliber, Amakuru, Vanamonde and others for help here. I would write it:
The consensus is against a blanket ban on the inclusion of currently available or recently released commercial products at DYK.
Over the past 1.5 months or so reviewers at DYK have raised concerns regarding currently available commercial products going on the front page as a DYK (newly-released smartphones in particular). They have thought that such newly-released smartphones may act as a form of advertising. Thus, after several discussions that failed to gain meaningful progress, I am holding this RfC to get the opinions of other editors on the suitability of the inclusion of currently available commercial products at DYK. Taewangkorea ( talk) 20:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Vycl1994 and Gerda Arendt: I was wondering if there would be a way to make this more eye-catchy. It's not really that interesting of a hook unless there's an emphasis on the "Italian priests founded a group in Taiwan" part, and considering the position of that part in the hook, it can be easy to miss. Maybe a rewording is in order? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 09:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Is the dance troupe notable enough for its own article? If so, it could be blue-linked, which would solve the problem. Otherwise, I would just delete the name as without a link it serves no purpose. Gatoclass ( talk) 13:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
I have submitted Template:Did you know nominations/W. A. Fry with a special occasion request for November 11 / Remembrance Day special occasion request. I apologize for the short notice. Thank you for consideration. Flibirigit ( talk) 20:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
The fourth hook in
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MANdARAX •
XAЯAbИAM 19:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
This was marked for closure by Edelseider as it was nominated one month after creation. This the nominator GeneralPoxter's first nomination, and per a later comment, was unaware of the creation time requirement for DYK. After discussion with GeneralPoxter, they mentioned that they are open to requesting a one-time IAR exception for the nom. Seeking second opinion on whether or not an exemption should be granted here. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 22:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
There are 21 non-current nominations nominations that need reviewing, those through October 28, all listed below. We have a total of 263 nominations, of which 168 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the three over a month old.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 16:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
We're coming up on the 6 million mark. I'm wondering if DYK could do a special occasion set to run that day? Don't have any very good ideas on what that would be. Maybe a series of new good articles from some of the earliest articles, or DYKs for a selection of Wikipedia:First 100 pages or something like that? -- valereee ( talk) 18:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
We could perhaps waive the usual rules to run the 6 millionth article - assuming it's not a mere stub - using the fact that it's the six millionth as the hook. Gatoclass ( talk) 13:54, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The last hook of Queue 4, nominated by Vanamonde93, features a song with lyrics by Robert Hunter, who died about six weeks ago. I think it would be a wonderful tribute if we made this a picture hook. This would require adding a photo to Dire Wolf (song); there are two Commons photos in the Hunter article (my preference would be the black-and-white one). Any thoughts? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:02, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
This record was set back in 2012, is it still extant? Gatoclass ( talk) 11:30, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
The image used for this hook is of a creature called Euryotis Brantsii, but Brants' whistling rat is Parotomys Brantsii. How do I know these are the same species? There is nothing in the article to confirm it. Pinging the nominator, Cwmhiraeth. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I am unable to confirm that the couple played Games "often" together, or on an "upright piano". Pinging the nominator, Gerda Arendt. Gatoclass ( talk) 11:47, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I removed the "on an upright piano" clause as it served no purpose, but have altered "Hungarian pianist" to "Hungarian pianists" as it was unclear from the hook previously what instrument the husband was playing. I think the hook reads well now and I have consequently activated the bot for the set. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
This hook makes it sound as if the wall fell of its own accord. Suggested tweak:
Done -- valereee ( talk) 19:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- I can barely follow the narrative in this article, and can't see any place where it clearly states that this woman spied for the Soviets. Can somebody please point it out to me in the text? In the meantime, I have pulled it from the prep in question as I am about to promote that set. Gatoclass ( talk) 10:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I have reserved the image slot for the Gara Medouar hook and image in Template:Did you know nominations/Gara Medouar. As both Cwmhiraeth and I worked on this hook, we need someone else to promote it. Note: After promotion, please leave the template open so the second hook can be promoted afterwards. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 11:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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Can we move the hook for Special Group in QUEUE 5 up to the second position? I think this DYK has a huge potential since most of my Indian friends have been quite intrigued by the article. (BTW India has the second largest English speaking population, so my request is justified)— Vaibhavafro 💬 10:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok, Understood. Thanks for finally explaining.— Vaibhavafro 💬 11:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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talk) 15:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)I note that this hook "... that the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he would "rather be dead in a ditch" than seek an extension to Brexit under the terms of the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019? " is in Q6.
Parliament has been dissolved and the general election campaign in the United Kingdom has started and I wonder if this contravenes the rule against promoting political causes? Cowlibob ( talk) 12:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I've noticed that there are many dates in the Count of DYK Hooks that are empty, but still showing up in this list. For example: from June 29 - October 4 there are 14 dates listed in this count. However, there are actually only 4 dates with outstanding nominations (sept 3, sept 21, sept 27, oct 3). The other 10 are not in the older nominations section but still show up in the count. I was wondering why this was the case. Thanks! -- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 00:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I don't find this hook to be quirky or even interesting - lots of people have vanity plates which reference their field of work. Would it bother anybody if I substituted this for ALT0 from the nomination page? Gatoclass ( talk) 10:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
. Also, can we change "registration plate"? In the US, I've never heard that term used. It should be "license plate", "vanity plate", or the term used by CA DMV: "personalized plate".
MANdARAX •
XAЯAbИAM 19:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Again, so far as I can tell, the source mentions only venomous saliva, no other source of toxins. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
This may be an ENGVAR issue, but I find the use of the word 'lasting' a bit strange in this hook, especially as the station didn't last:
I see that the words in the source are "WYFI, the FM-only outlet that lasted for many months on faith and LPs", which for me is fine, as it indicates a period of time. Without a time, I would find it more natural to say 'ran' or 'survived' on faith and LPs. I don't know if this is an issue for anyone else? RebeccaGreen ( talk) 08:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
The quote is us quoting the writer of the source material, who writes Dwyer 'had reached the conclusion that contracting was a mug's game' but doesn't attribute that term to Dwyer. Does this hook feel like it might be taken as indicating those were Dwyer's words? -- valereee ( talk) 16:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I know this has been discussed at the nom and here on talk, but I'm still having trouble finding the sentence in the article with citation that supports this hook sentence? -- valereee ( talk) 16:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived nearly two days ago, so here is an updated list with all 31 non-current nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 7. Right now we have a total of 291 nominations, of which 189 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially those from September and the first half of October.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 00:16, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I would like to invite more editors to review a past DYK nomination that has been rejected as it appeals to precise understanding of some wiki guidelines. In Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Rue_Sainte-Catherine_Roundup, user Gatoclass rejected DYK nomination of an article on a Nazi roundup during WW2, on the basis that the article contains, among other things, a list of the names of the victims sent to the exterminations camps. I respectfully disagree with this opinion, for reasons that I exposed as well. I would like to invite other editors to give their opinion on the matter, encouraging everyone to remain courteous (as has been the case so far)! Iry-Hor ( talk) 08:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
It seems like Gatoclass is the only one promoting preps to queues, which happens only one at a time, once a day. Your prep builders have nothing to do most of the time. Pinging Valereee, Maile, Casliber, Vanamonde, Amakuru. If everyone is busy, we must figure out a workable system to keep prep sets open. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 13:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Kosack Narutolovehinata5 Yoninah
The sentences in the article read As a result, the Racecourse Ground is officially recognised as the oldest football ground in the world that continues to host international matches by Guinness World Records.[5] The next ground to host an international that is still in use is Hampden Park in Glasgow, which did not host its first match for another 27 years,[6] and has hosted more Welsh international matches than any other ground. which to me sounds like Hampden Park in Glasgow has hosted more Welsh international matches? -- valereee ( talk) 19:03, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm thinking this one might benefit from some additional eyes for neutrality. There've been a few IPs making partisanish-feeling changes, not what I'd call edit warring, but it could be a concern once the thing hits the main page. -- valereee ( talk) 21:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
... is the birthday of Benjamin Britten, and the day of the patron saint of music, St Cecilia. I suggested an article for the occasion, but it appeared today already. So, I wrote a new one and hope for speedy processing of Template:Did you know nominations/A Hymn of St Columba ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Poking around a bit I found this (linked from this page) and I have absolutely no idea what it's talking about. It's been tagged for being out of date for over three years, has zero watchers, and has had zero views in 2019. Should we update or mark it as historical or something? Pinging Pppery who last edited it and Shubinator whose bot it once described. -- --valereee ( talk) 13:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Prep 1 has * ... that after her husband committed suicide, Li Yin supported herself by selling her paintings (example pictured)?
Some people don't support the phrase "committed suicide" ("committed a crime ..."), can we phrase that more neutral? Why say at all how he died? Sensation? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1:... that Li Yin's paintings (example pictured) were so sought after that forty imitators turned out fakes in her area?
Hello all, I am wondering whether Susie Owens is still eligible for DYK. I expanded it 5x on the 10th (seven and a half days ago) while it was being considered for deletion, and the AfD closed as keep earlier today. Cheers, gnu 57 19:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Right now we have 203 approved nominations out of 304 proposed. WikiCup is coming up in 6 weeks. Are we ready for a short run of 2 sets per day? Yoninah ( talk) 21:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Gerda Arendt and Cwmhiraeth: For A Hymn of St Columba, I was not able to verify the hook on page 8. Is it in another source? Kees08 (Talk) 02:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Alicelixuan and Cwmhiraeth: For Syritta pipiens, could we change the hook from ... that the hoverfly Syritta pipiens makes sharp darts in flight to facilitate mating? to ... that the hoverfly Syritta pipiens makes sharp movements in flight to facilitate mating? I imagined it made projectiles until I opened the article. Kees08 (Talk) 02:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Here's an interesting fact that isn't in the article (which should be included there and arguably in the hook): Tracking is probably sexual in function and often culminates in a rapid dart towards the leading fly, after the latter has settled. During these “rapes” the male accelerates continuously at about 500 cm · s−2, turning just before it lands so that it is in the copulatory position. The male rapes flies of either sex indicating that successful copulation involves more trial and error than recognition. Source. Gatoclass ( talk) 10:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
@ CeeGee and Morgan695: For Mustafa Güzelgöz, are either of you native (or fluent) Turkish speakers? Google translate gives the name Donkey Librarian, which seems more likely than Librarian with Donkey, especially since they were mocking him. I wanted to verify that the hook is a valid translation, since the sources are in Turkish. Kees08 (Talk) 02:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The links in the photo page for the lead image in this set don't go to a photo of Eugen Ernst, they go to a photograph of a photographer. And when I do a search of the site, there appears to be no image of Eugen Ernst on it. Pinging the nominator HerkusMonte and reviewer Gerda Arendt. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I see that Maile cropped the image. Is that a good idea? I liked the original image, showing him with his hand on the book, it's still perfectly viewable at the given resolution and IMO is more compelling than just the face. Anybody else with an opinion? Gatoclass ( talk) 12:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333, Winged Blades of Godric, and 97198: To be honest, I don't really see how the hook as written could appeal to non-British readers. I understand that Grade II listing is similar to being listed as a National Historical Site in the US, but the hook lacks context to allow those unfamiliar with the concept to understand it. Perhaps a mention of why the signal box was listed (because, according to the article, it is one of only two such structures still in good condition) could be mentioned to give the article broader appeal? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 11:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey, Andrew Davidson, let's discuss. We don't actually prefer shorter hooks over longer, as long as they're shorter than the maximum. We need both longer hook and shorter ones in order to create a set that won't be too short. If we use all short hooks, we end up with a too-short set and sometimes end up adding a ninth hook. -- --valereee ( talk) 19:04, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts. This requires not that the writer make all his sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects only in outline, but that every word tell.
— Elementary Principles of Composition, The Elements of Style
In Germany, 24 November is Totensonntag, or Ewigkeitssonntag, time to think of the dead. Hugo Distler wrote a piece of music especially for the occasion, Template:Did you know nominations/Totentanz (Distler). It's approved but was not moved to special occasions, which I may not do. Help? Squeeze in. Another one, dedicated to a person who fell in World War I, was finally just approved, Template:Did you know nominations/En blanc et noir. 17 November would have been perfect, but is past. I know you want to spread out and no two in one set. If we have 2 sets per day by Sunday, we could avoid that problem, otherwise please don't get it too close to Thanksgiving. Sorry for needing extra attention again. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:29, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Curious as to why the inordinate number of radio station hooks lately. Jmar67 ( talk) 00:32, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Kurdish civil engineer and politician
Hevrin Khalaf,
who worked for tolerance
among Christians, Arabs, and Kurds,
was killed
in the
2019 Turkish offensive into Syria?
... was on the Main page, is in the DYK archive, but I can't find a trace of the DYK on the article talk. I added it to the stats anyway, but wonder what happened. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:34, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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Also in Prep 2, I think this hook is somewhat ambiguous, as I thought at first that Wolf was commenting on relationships within the Trump family. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 06:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived yesterday, so here is an updated list with 37 nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 15. We have a total of 306 nominations, of which 202 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the ones from September and October.
Over two months old:
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 07:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Andrew Davidson Cwmhiraeth Yoninah
I'm not sure about this hook. It's sourced, but what the source and the article both say is that a small chariot drawn by four muzzled mastiffs once ran between the Farthing Pie House and a nearby pond, giving rides to children. Is that really servicing the tavern? I was thinking to turn it around:
ALT1: ... that a small chariot drawn by four muzzled mastiffs once ran between the Farthing Pie House (pictured) and a nearby pond, giving rides to children?
...but that put the target article pretty far into the sentence, so wanted to see if anyone objected. --valereee ( talk) 12:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
While I don't think it's quite accurate to say the pie house was "serviced" by the chariot, ALT1 implies that the chariot ran from the pie house to the pond. I've tried to come up with an acceptable alt hook but haven't quite managed it yet. If nobody else does, I will probably try to come up with one later. Gatoclass ( talk) 15:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that a small chariot drawn by four muzzled mastiffs once ran to the Farthing Pie House (pictured) from a nearby pond, giving rides to children? --valereee ( talk) 15:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
There are 23 unreferenced paragraphs in this article. We need a minimum of a citation on every one. Is there time to get this done, or should I pull it and replace? --valereee ( talk) 17:04, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I recently nominanated Dinosaur Ridge (Gangwon) for DYK and it is currently in prep 2. However, today, I came accross this official document that states that the official name is " Gongnyong Ridge" (Gongnyong is dinosaur in Korean). I made the article move, but can someone change the title in the hook, or can I do it myself? Taewangkorea ( talk) 00:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
This hook, currently in Prep 6, reads "... that women on display at a Victorian charity bazaar hard-sold wares to men in a sexualized way?"
The article also reads "At the charity bazaar, men purchased goods from women who were on display in a sexualized way."
The source ( [5], no page numbers in this Google Books preview, but this is at Result 4 of 5 for "charity bazaar") reads, in part,
"In charity bazaars, ladies of the upper-classes found opportunities to demonstrate artistic talents that would otherwise have remained in the privacy of the domestic sphere ... Women, young and old, and sometimes several generations of a family worked at these bazaars to produce profits for selected charities. The business-like seriousness of this selling by women along with the inevitable public mixing of the genders that resulted from these bazaars frightened observers. .... The mixing of the sexes at the bazaars with ladies behind the counters conversing with gentleman customers brought the most censure. Seeing and being seen, display of oneself, ranked in importance with display of one's artworks or fancy articles, and for younger women it was especially important as an acceptable way to 'interview' various gentleman. ... Holland sarcastically compared the obvious display of respectable young women at bazaars to that of bar-maids in a public house. The classes attending and exhibiting at charitable bazaars, however, ranked much higher on the social scale. The best classes in their best dress, both men and women, were at the core of the exhibition."
I don't find that the tone of the hook, or the sentence in the article, fits with the impression that the source gives me - that "women on display" simply meant women serving behind counters, "on display" in the sense that they were visible in the public setting of a charitable bazaar, and the "sexualized way" that women sold to men was that women were actually conversing with and selling to men, rather than remaining in the privacy of the domestic sphere, and not interacting at all with men they didn't know.
Perhaps the hook would be effective, as readers might expect to find evidence in Victorian bazaars of what we today would think of as sexualised selling - but I find it (and the sentence in the article) rather misleading, without further clarification of what that meant in the Victorian context.
If others aren't concerned, I'll leave it, but otherwise I would offer to add more to the article to clarify the situations described, and perhaps suggest an amended hook too. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Judging by what I've read of the source, the original hook looks wildly misleading. Might I suggest something along the following lines:
I have five DYK noms, but I am unsure how many reviews I have had. Link:
Special:Permalink/927663327
Here are my questions:
Please ping any responses. Cheers! – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 00:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Something about WP:DYKN from November 23 onward is broken, starting with {{ Did you know nominations/Deep biosphere}} not displaying, but I can't put my finger on it. The offending edit is this one. RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) ( talk) 20:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
This article makes it clear that Yang was 99 by western reckoning, 100 by eastern reckoning, and I'm fine with using 99 in the hook, but since the subject is Chinese, should we use eastern reckoning? --valereee ( talk) 15:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
See source provided in nom to support this hook
Jesswade88 Achaea Whispyhistory Epipelagic Cwmhiraeth
This source is an interview; not sure that's enough to support that her research caused a change in the rules, and beyond that I'm not sure she's even claiming that herself in this interview? Whose rules is she claming it changed? From the hook I thought it meant some country's regulations had changed? --valereee ( talk) 19:30, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
I kinda hate to ask this, but I can't find my nomination on the main nominations page. What am I dong wrong? I made it last night. I couldn't find it then, and still can't find it. Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Robert_Burns_(Stevenson) - Freekee ( talk) 18:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived a couple of hours ago, so here is an updated list with 37 nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 21. We have a total of 323 nominations, of which 184 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the eight remaining from October.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 03:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
The sentence supporting that she wrote on the history of AIDS does not have a citation. I tried checking the two sources that are used in that paragraph, but the first doesn't mention this and the second isn't available to me. --valereee ( talk) 14:03, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Farang Rak Tham Thanissaro Gerda Arendt Yoninah
The sentence in the article which support the hook: This was intended as an alternative to Valentine's Day, in which Thai youth often aim to lose their virginity. does not have a citation. --valereee ( talk) 14:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I nominated Template:Did you know nominations/Bernd Loebe, with his birthday in mind. Little conflict: I was happy about Vivaldi's Magnificat the same day, because we'll sing it that day. But in case it can be only one, the music could go a different day better than the person. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Calling on reviewers to review more bio hooks! It's getting very hard to build balanced prep sets without them. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 23:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
It looks like Template:Did you know nominations/Missouri v. Frye never made its way from Approved to Prep. Ergo Sum 04:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
This hook is 210 characters, which is a bit above the usual limits. It was ALT4 of the nomination, although a somewhat shorter hook (ALT3, which is below the 200 character limit) was also approved. Would it be a better option if the hook is substituted with a slightly revised version of ALT3 (reworded since the ALT3 wording since it reads a bit like a run-on sentence)? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 09:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
because sexual displays on the food source were not visible in the dimly lit forestis copied from the source. Yoninah ( talk) 12:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Hey, The ed17, one of the meanings of 'straight mile' is a full mile in length. It was a play on words. If you remove straight, I think you need to turn it into 'mile long' so it'll still make sense, but I think that change kind of robs it of the play on words. --valereee ( talk) 03:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Valereee and I have been working on a proposal to form a new usergroup whose members would be able to edit content on the main page or its fully protected subsidiaries. Since it directly affects this project, and is based in part on the shortage of administrators working here, we would like to invite feedback on the proposal at User talk:Vanamonde93/Main page editor. The proposal itself is at User:Vanamonde93/Main page editor. In particular, we would like to hear it if you are opposed to the whole thing on principle, because in that case we would rather spend our time promoting queues than in organizing a large-scale RfC. Best, Vanamonde ( Talk) 16:57, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so here is an updated list with 37 nominations that need reviewing, which covers those through November 27. We have a total of 337 nominations, of which 217 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the three remaining from October and the three from the first week in November.
Over one month old:
Other old nominations:
Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 06:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
A new editor has posted a blank nomination template at Template:Did you know nominations/Did you know and posted it at WP:DYKN under November 24. I am in touch with the user on her talk page to guide her through the process. Could someone delete this errant template? Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 16:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
The image in today's DYK has been supressed as a likely copyvio - see Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Errors in Did you know .... Even if it is subsequently kept as free use this could take some time to sort out. Is there an precedent for what to do in such an instance? Perhaps swap the hooks around to move one currently in the DYK with a suitable picture up to the top? There is a good free use picture of Stanisław Lem that might accompany the A Stanislaw Lem Reader hook, though as yet the article does not include the picture. Other articles that have free use images, though of varying quality and usefulness, are Colleen Barrett and Tell Qudadi. Or would having no picture in this set be preferred? Thoughts? Spokoyni ( talk) 11:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Disappearance of Steven Koecher has been approved for a December 13 run date. Could an administrator swap out the second hook in this set, Laura Cooper, and replace it with this one? Pinging Maile, Casliber, Valereee, Gatoclass, and others. Thank you, Yoninah ( talk) 20:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
According to DYKUpdateBot/Errors, the update stalled because "Template:Did you know is missing a Hooks or HooksEnd" I looked into the template history and found two edits: The right-hand arrow was accidentally removed with one edit. 1 A second edit removed the rest of the word. 2. I never knew about the hooks before, so I hope I corrected it as it should have been. Those words already seem OK in Queue, so maybe it;'s just that the bot couldn't remove the old set without the "hooks" wording. This whole project is a classroom everyday. Oh, hooray! I see it updated now! — Maile ( talk) 01:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Shubinator: The DYKUpdateBot seems to be down, and no update happened since yesterday. — Maile ( talk) 00:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Pinging Gerda Arendt and Cwmhiraeth: the Ospedale itself is not pictured, despite the claim of the hook. This is illustrated with a photo of a church that wasn't completed until twenty years after Vivaldi's death (and not started until four years after he died), which wasn't the Ospedale itself (though nearby; the original Ospedale building now houses, according to its linked article, the Metropole Hotel in Venice), and in which the Magnificat soloists in the hook were unlikely to have performed. (Additionally, the pictured facade is from the 20th century.) The hook itself seems otherwise okay, but the picture doesn't go with it. BlueMoonset ( talk) 08:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)