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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:22, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I believe this should be renamed so as to bring it into line with parent
Category:Topics in popular culture, which I just added. If there's a better master category, let me know. Please note that this category includes both fictional and non-fictional portrayals.
Shawn in Montreal (
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Category:Non-fiction books by war correspondents
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The result of the discussion was:merge.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Upmerge Now, does it matter if a non-fiction book about a war is written by someone considered a "correspondent," as opposed to some other profession? I don't believe so, and more importantly I don't see a parent category for
Category:Books by journalists. I don't believe this offshoot of
Category:Non-fiction books about war is really helpful for readers, who are going to be looking for books about specific wars, not by the author's title or journalistic assignment. I think it's just one more way for
User:Stefanomione to populate his
Category:War correspondents by medium grouping.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 19:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep without prejudice to further, more systemic approaches resulting from discussion in appropriate wikiprojectsWar correspondents often write fiction, often based on their experiences, and this category is a useful one to distinguish fiction from non-fiction. War correspondents are indeed a topic of some independence and of great literary interest, perhaps most famously
Ernest Hemingway brought sexy into the field. Hence the categorizations do increase the encyclopedic value to our readers - the perspectives of War correspondents, as opposed to military men and other witnesses to war, are often seen in historiography and in popular overviews as distinct in reliability, perspective, impetus, and even literary value. Also, I see nothing wrong with
Category:War correspondents by medium except it is incomplete in the subcats (for example has a category on fiction about war correspondents, but not one on non-fiction), so I do not understand the issues here. I do think that individualist efforts of categorization without involvement of interested wikiprojects is a bad idea, but that is a reason to discuss, not delete.--
Cerejota (
talk) 20:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Upmerge – an absurd category. We don't have any other category 'books by some random characteristic of the author' (I hope).
Category:War correspondents by medium is even more absurd:
Category:War correspondents is a category of people (correspondents) and it is ludicrous to find books, films etc within it.
Occuli (
talk) 21:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Upmerge and remove any book that is non-fiction by a war correspondent that does not relate to a war.
John Pack Lambert(
talk) 05:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
There's just three articles in the source category, and all are at least in part about a war, so no need to purge.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 19:01, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Could all non-fiction works of Winston Churchill be placed in the former category because he was a war correspondent? Even putting his work on WWII in that category makes little sense, and putting his history of Britain in that category is just absurd. To make the category clearly what it seems to have been intended to be we would have to name it
Non-fcition books by war correspondents on wars they were correspondents for which is an absurdly long title.
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Category:Documentary films about war correspondents
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The result of the discussion was:upmerge.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:40, 25 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I've been trying to figure out what to do with
User:Stefanomione's parent,
Category:War correspondents by medium. It includes works about and by war correspondents, so a "works about foo" rename won't work, I think.
Anyway, per
WP:SMALLCAT, upmerge this one to Documentary films about journalism, Documentary films about war and Films about war correspondents, I suggest.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 15:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Upmerge to three parents as stated above by Shawn. The other one is not needed because of
WP:SUBCAT. - –
Fayenatic(talk) 19:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Religious history by country
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The result of the discussion was:rename/merge all, including Wales. This was a tough call, given a divided vote. I was more persuaded by the rename arguments and how the contents seemed more about histories of particular religions, as well as the overlap between the two India categories.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:19, 10 October 2011 (UTC)reply
The category for Wales contains only a sub-cat, not history-specific, which is already in other suitable head categories. –
Fayenatic(talk) 08:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep Category:Religious history of Wales (but feel free to Rename if the others are renamed). We do not delete underpopulated categories, we populate them! As one of the oldest Christian countries in northern Europe, Wales has an incredibly rich and well-documented history of faith. Indeed, an understanding of Welsh faith is probably essential to an understanding of Wales and the Welsh. --
Mais oui! (
talk) 11:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename all as nom. keep the one for Wales as per Mais oui!
Mayumashu (
talk) 16:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename all as nom. keep & rename the one for WalesAgathoclea (
talk) 07:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep: Let countries sort out their own categorisation here, based on the local situation and desires. Plus, not convinced the two things mean the same thing. --
LauraHale (
talk) 21:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree:Religious history and History of religion are two different things. The artikel in those categories are mostly about the History of a religion and not the religious history. -imho- —
Tjmoel bicara 08:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep all -- Populate Wales. Neutral on Indian merger.
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Category:Operating System user templates
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The result of the discussion was:Speedy rename C2A.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:51, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename This is very straightforward. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Category:Scruff (TV series)
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Timrollpickering (
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Category:Articles created by User:Marshallsumter
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The result of the discussion was:Content moved to article so we don't loose more of the edit history.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 18:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I created this category to help with identifying and collaborating on fixing this mess. Since almost all of the articles have been deleted, and those who were kept in general are not considered problematic, I think there is no longer a need for a category. However, the actual text of the category has become a strong collaborative effort to fix, recreate, and otherwise deal with the mess. I propose a name, but any name would do, but think the WikiProject Astronomy has been the most active in fix-up, so this should be a subpage there.
Cerejota (
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Category:Kohanim sons of Tzadok
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 21:30, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. Firstly
WP:EN, secondly
WP:RS, thirdly redundancy - since all Sons of Zadok in Ancient Israel were by definition kohen/priests.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 07:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete Overcategorisation of three people by family relation.
Debresser (
talk) 07:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete we do not categorize people by their specific parent.
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Category:Kohanic gifts
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. In line with
WP:EN,
WP:RS for content related to Ancient Israel, Ancient Near East religion and Hebrew Bible.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 07:29, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support, per nom.
Chesdovi (
talk) 09:14, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Alternative rename to
Category:The twenty-four priestly gifts and move the article
Twenty-four priestly gifts (which has only recently been renamed itself) to match. Not all 24 will have an article. It seems to me that including "The" will make it clearer that this is a formal and defined list, and
WP:THE permits it in this case as an official name. –
Fayenatic(talk) 19:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Kehuna
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 21:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support "Kehuna" is a transliteration of the Hebrew word כהונה; per
WP:EN, "Priesthood" is the obvious choice here.
Chesdovi (
talk) 09:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename This is a clear case of using English and not a foriegn language.
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Category:The spread of Islam in Indonesia
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Rationale: The only subcat is already in that category, so that just leaves fifteen articles (one of which is the main article for the subcat.) This is overcategorization. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Dont change - the Indonesian project topics that could fill the sub cat are sufficient enough to get over the hangup about 15 arts - there are potentially a large number of other articles and topics that could complicate this - it dosnt need simplifying at this stage -
SatuSuro 12:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Dont change this is one of numerous historical era categories that form a series. While it can fall under the Islam in Indonesia category, it should stand alone as a sub cat of the History of Indonesia. If anything, a parent cat refinement might be in order. 15 pages is hardly too little. --
Merbabu (
talk) 00:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
in what way is the existing cat name not neutral? --
Merbabu (
talk) 00:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Well, we could go through all the other "History of (each religion) by country" pages, e.g.
Category:History of Christianity by geography or ethnicity and
Category:Bahá'í Faith by country, and decide whether each one was mainly a "spread of" or just a "history of" or simply "faith in Foo" page. Let's keep it simple, just have "Faith in Foo" and, if there is a separate history article, "History of Faith in Foo". Although, to be fair, I have just spotted a bunch of "Christianization of Foo" articles in the category I just linked to. - –
Fayenatic(talk) 09:16, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment - 'to keep things simple' ? - the Indonesian project worked had and troubled and discussed over the component parts of a template and sequences of history in the country - and it just so happens that The spread of Islam is a pertinent indicator of the article and the correlated template found at -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia - I fail to be convinced that the ruminations above have any consideration of the context of that - and see no reason to fit into other ways of considering it - foo or no foo
SatuSuro 11:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep as is: Current name reflects local historical situation. Departing from standardised naming conventions is allowed when in such situations. --
LauraHale (
talk) 11:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep It seems like a sufficiently major topic to warrant coverage, in a situation where a comparable Western country wouldn't actually have a category.
Orderinchaos 13:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: if not renamed to "History of", either remove "The" to match the lead article, or rename as "Islamization of Indonesia" to match articles in
Category:Islamization (which I have only just discovered and is now another head category). –
Fayenatic(talk) 14:07, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Further Comment - much work has been done to create era articles for Indonesian history. These are perhaps most clearly seen as they appear in the History of Indonesia template that's on the
History of Indonesia page. The Spread of Islam is on that page. This is first and foremost an historical era with article and category to match about which there is much literature and describes how Islam first came to Indonesia around 1200 and by 1600 was the dominant religion. It is not a History of Islam in Indonesia, and it is not about Islamisation which is still happening and is a much broader topic. thanks --
Merbabu (
talk) 14:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category:History of Islam in Indonesia. The "Spread of" formation is non-neutral because it is set up as an argument that the religion has expanded throughout the contry over history. It is a "we began small but took over" formulation. The fact of the history of Islam in Indonesia is there are parts of Indonesia that were more heavily Muslim in 1500 than they are today, and the history of Islam in the country is not just one of expansion. Anyway, we do not use the "spread of" formation in other countries, so there is no reason to use it in Indonesia.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Christian martyrs of Modern Times
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The result of the discussion was:rename. I did not see consensus on "of" versus "in," so if that's a point of contention, propose it again for renaming.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support (as original creator of category). I have tagged and added its denominational sub-cats to this nomination. –
Fayenatic(talk) 11:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Why the "in" - these are just biographies of people martyred after 1700, and we might as well say so. A slight improvement on the existing title, but sdo we really need these sub-groupings anyway?
Johnbod (
talk) 21:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Good point - "of" would be better than "in". When I originally created these sub-cats, it was the first time that Christian martyrs had been subdivided; there were no century categories. Now that century categories have been added, I acknowledge that these era-categories are no longer essential, but they are still useful for navigation as sub-cats of the history categories by era:
Comment Are these categories necessary now that categories of Christians, Martyrs etc by century already exist up to the 20th-century, and could be created if necessary for the 21st century, with by-century categories placed directly into the various eras, eg Christianity of the Early Modern era to include 16th, 17th & 18th century Christians. Unlike some in the the Ancient and Medieval eras, the correct century should be known for every Christian.
Hugo999 (
talk) 12:57, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: I had not realised that Christians had been categorised by century, e.g.
Category:18th-century Christians. How does this work for the many whose lives spanned more than one century? In contrast, there is a single correct century for "martyrs", viz. the century of their martyrdom i.e. death. –
Fayenatic(talk) 22:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Ok, I can be sold these as sub-cats of the ones in the table above, but the martyrs break at 1700 while the main cat breaks at 1800!
Johnbod (
talk) 22:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Like mathematicians and artists, Christians who live in multiple centuries get put in the multiple categories. There is nothing that makes it so century categories are exclusive. On the specific question though, we would classify martyrs by the century in which they were killed. So we could put each martyr in a distinct category by when they died. Some their death year may be iffy, but very few since 1700 it would be unknown which century they died in.
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Category:Eccentricity
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 21:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Simply including someone in a category for having been eccentric seems like an overly broad system of classification. See, e.g.
Category:Recluses. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Delete. If it's being used as a substitute for
Category:Eccentrics, it should be deleted, since that category has been deleted by consensus.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 08:55, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete; even though a few pages clearly fit, the criteria for inclusion would be subjective and debatable. Better to list notable cases in the article
Eccentricity (behavior) with citations for being so characterised, and link to any other relevant pages under "See also". –
Fayenatic(talk) 09:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Ravensburg
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 13:21, 12 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. No need for this renaming. We should keep it simple and in line with the main article. -
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Category:2006 in Australian motorsport
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn by nominator.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 07:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Overcategorisation. Noting that there are no other categories of the form "YYYY in <country> motorsport".
DH85868993 (
talk) 03:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Given the category has 10+ articles, it doesn't appear to be overcategorisation to me. It makes these articles very easy to find, and is populated with articles. Other sports have similar categories. Beyond over categorisation, is there a reason to merge? --06:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not especially passionate about the categories being merged. My main rationale for listing them here was to gauge opinion on whether this is a desirable category tree to introduce, in which case it should be extended to other years (and possibly countries) or not (in which case we can kill it easily now while there are only a few categories to process).
DH85868993 (
talk) 12:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree with above comment 10 plus articles is more then enough to justify a category, definitely not overcategorization
Djln--
Djln (
talk) 11:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose A logical subdivision with a sufficient number of articles to ensure that it is not overcategorization. In the United States, the most well-known racing series each have their own category instead of a country-based category (which is another fine way to do it). Royalbroil 04:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Withdraw nomination There's obviously support for the "YYYY in Australian motorsport" categories, so I hereby withdraw the nomination.
DH85868993 (
talk) 11:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Hindu temples around Chennai
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The result of the discussion was:Delete/rename as nominated.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 06:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. I added two similar categories in Tamil Nadu to this nomination for renaming. –
Fayenatic(talk) 12:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename to in either for a city or district. Remove all categories using "around".
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 06:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. I am moving existing pages to district category. It would be slightly irrelevant as temples in Tamilnadu are not administered district-wise. Need to invent a bit more classification to achieve finesse. For now, it can be moved.S Sriram 01:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC)ssriram_mt
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Category:Interactive theorem proving software
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 06:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. More common, more concise name. —Ruud 00:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
rename to match main article
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:22, 22 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I believe this should be renamed so as to bring it into line with parent
Category:Topics in popular culture, which I just added. If there's a better master category, let me know. Please note that this category includes both fictional and non-fictional portrayals.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 23:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Non-fiction books by war correspondents
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The result of the discussion was:merge.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Upmerge Now, does it matter if a non-fiction book about a war is written by someone considered a "correspondent," as opposed to some other profession? I don't believe so, and more importantly I don't see a parent category for
Category:Books by journalists. I don't believe this offshoot of
Category:Non-fiction books about war is really helpful for readers, who are going to be looking for books about specific wars, not by the author's title or journalistic assignment. I think it's just one more way for
User:Stefanomione to populate his
Category:War correspondents by medium grouping.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 19:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep without prejudice to further, more systemic approaches resulting from discussion in appropriate wikiprojectsWar correspondents often write fiction, often based on their experiences, and this category is a useful one to distinguish fiction from non-fiction. War correspondents are indeed a topic of some independence and of great literary interest, perhaps most famously
Ernest Hemingway brought sexy into the field. Hence the categorizations do increase the encyclopedic value to our readers - the perspectives of War correspondents, as opposed to military men and other witnesses to war, are often seen in historiography and in popular overviews as distinct in reliability, perspective, impetus, and even literary value. Also, I see nothing wrong with
Category:War correspondents by medium except it is incomplete in the subcats (for example has a category on fiction about war correspondents, but not one on non-fiction), so I do not understand the issues here. I do think that individualist efforts of categorization without involvement of interested wikiprojects is a bad idea, but that is a reason to discuss, not delete.--
Cerejota (
talk) 20:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Upmerge – an absurd category. We don't have any other category 'books by some random characteristic of the author' (I hope).
Category:War correspondents by medium is even more absurd:
Category:War correspondents is a category of people (correspondents) and it is ludicrous to find books, films etc within it.
Occuli (
talk) 21:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Upmerge and remove any book that is non-fiction by a war correspondent that does not relate to a war.
John Pack Lambert(
talk) 05:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
There's just three articles in the source category, and all are at least in part about a war, so no need to purge.
Shawn in Montreal (
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Comment Could all non-fiction works of Winston Churchill be placed in the former category because he was a war correspondent? Even putting his work on WWII in that category makes little sense, and putting his history of Britain in that category is just absurd. To make the category clearly what it seems to have been intended to be we would have to name it
Non-fcition books by war correspondents on wars they were correspondents for which is an absurdly long title.
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Category:Documentary films about war correspondents
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The result of the discussion was:upmerge.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:40, 25 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I've been trying to figure out what to do with
User:Stefanomione's parent,
Category:War correspondents by medium. It includes works about and by war correspondents, so a "works about foo" rename won't work, I think.
Anyway, per
WP:SMALLCAT, upmerge this one to Documentary films about journalism, Documentary films about war and Films about war correspondents, I suggest.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 15:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Upmerge to three parents as stated above by Shawn. The other one is not needed because of
WP:SUBCAT. - –
Fayenatic(talk) 19:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Religious history by country
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The result of the discussion was:rename/merge all, including Wales. This was a tough call, given a divided vote. I was more persuaded by the rename arguments and how the contents seemed more about histories of particular religions, as well as the overlap between the two India categories.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:19, 10 October 2011 (UTC)reply
The category for Wales contains only a sub-cat, not history-specific, which is already in other suitable head categories. –
Fayenatic(talk) 08:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep Category:Religious history of Wales (but feel free to Rename if the others are renamed). We do not delete underpopulated categories, we populate them! As one of the oldest Christian countries in northern Europe, Wales has an incredibly rich and well-documented history of faith. Indeed, an understanding of Welsh faith is probably essential to an understanding of Wales and the Welsh. --
Mais oui! (
talk) 11:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename all as nom. keep the one for Wales as per Mais oui!
Mayumashu (
talk) 16:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename all as nom. keep & rename the one for WalesAgathoclea (
talk) 07:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep: Let countries sort out their own categorisation here, based on the local situation and desires. Plus, not convinced the two things mean the same thing. --
LauraHale (
talk) 21:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree:Religious history and History of religion are two different things. The artikel in those categories are mostly about the History of a religion and not the religious history. -imho- —
Tjmoel bicara 08:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep all -- Populate Wales. Neutral on Indian merger.
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Category:Operating System user templates
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The result of the discussion was:Speedy rename C2A.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:51, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename This is very straightforward. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Category:Scruff (TV series)
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Timrollpickering (
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Category:Articles created by User:Marshallsumter
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The result of the discussion was:Content moved to article so we don't loose more of the edit history.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 18:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I created this category to help with identifying and collaborating on fixing this mess. Since almost all of the articles have been deleted, and those who were kept in general are not considered problematic, I think there is no longer a need for a category. However, the actual text of the category has become a strong collaborative effort to fix, recreate, and otherwise deal with the mess. I propose a name, but any name would do, but think the WikiProject Astronomy has been the most active in fix-up, so this should be a subpage there.
Cerejota (
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Category:Kohanim sons of Tzadok
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 21:30, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. Firstly
WP:EN, secondly
WP:RS, thirdly redundancy - since all Sons of Zadok in Ancient Israel were by definition kohen/priests.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 07:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete Overcategorisation of three people by family relation.
Debresser (
talk) 07:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete we do not categorize people by their specific parent.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Kohanic gifts
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. In line with
WP:EN,
WP:RS for content related to Ancient Israel, Ancient Near East religion and Hebrew Bible.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 07:29, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support, per nom.
Chesdovi (
talk) 09:14, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Alternative rename to
Category:The twenty-four priestly gifts and move the article
Twenty-four priestly gifts (which has only recently been renamed itself) to match. Not all 24 will have an article. It seems to me that including "The" will make it clearer that this is a formal and defined list, and
WP:THE permits it in this case as an official name. –
Fayenatic(talk) 19:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Kehuna
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 21:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support "Kehuna" is a transliteration of the Hebrew word כהונה; per
WP:EN, "Priesthood" is the obvious choice here.
Chesdovi (
talk) 09:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename This is a clear case of using English and not a foriegn language.
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Category:The spread of Islam in Indonesia
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Rationale: The only subcat is already in that category, so that just leaves fifteen articles (one of which is the main article for the subcat.) This is overcategorization. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Dont change - the Indonesian project topics that could fill the sub cat are sufficient enough to get over the hangup about 15 arts - there are potentially a large number of other articles and topics that could complicate this - it dosnt need simplifying at this stage -
SatuSuro 12:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Dont change this is one of numerous historical era categories that form a series. While it can fall under the Islam in Indonesia category, it should stand alone as a sub cat of the History of Indonesia. If anything, a parent cat refinement might be in order. 15 pages is hardly too little. --
Merbabu (
talk) 00:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
in what way is the existing cat name not neutral? --
Merbabu (
talk) 00:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Well, we could go through all the other "History of (each religion) by country" pages, e.g.
Category:History of Christianity by geography or ethnicity and
Category:Bahá'í Faith by country, and decide whether each one was mainly a "spread of" or just a "history of" or simply "faith in Foo" page. Let's keep it simple, just have "Faith in Foo" and, if there is a separate history article, "History of Faith in Foo". Although, to be fair, I have just spotted a bunch of "Christianization of Foo" articles in the category I just linked to. - –
Fayenatic(talk) 09:16, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment - 'to keep things simple' ? - the Indonesian project worked had and troubled and discussed over the component parts of a template and sequences of history in the country - and it just so happens that The spread of Islam is a pertinent indicator of the article and the correlated template found at -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia - I fail to be convinced that the ruminations above have any consideration of the context of that - and see no reason to fit into other ways of considering it - foo or no foo
SatuSuro 11:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep as is: Current name reflects local historical situation. Departing from standardised naming conventions is allowed when in such situations. --
LauraHale (
talk) 11:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep It seems like a sufficiently major topic to warrant coverage, in a situation where a comparable Western country wouldn't actually have a category.
Orderinchaos 13:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: if not renamed to "History of", either remove "The" to match the lead article, or rename as "Islamization of Indonesia" to match articles in
Category:Islamization (which I have only just discovered and is now another head category). –
Fayenatic(talk) 14:07, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Further Comment - much work has been done to create era articles for Indonesian history. These are perhaps most clearly seen as they appear in the History of Indonesia template that's on the
History of Indonesia page. The Spread of Islam is on that page. This is first and foremost an historical era with article and category to match about which there is much literature and describes how Islam first came to Indonesia around 1200 and by 1600 was the dominant religion. It is not a History of Islam in Indonesia, and it is not about Islamisation which is still happening and is a much broader topic. thanks --
Merbabu (
talk) 14:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category:History of Islam in Indonesia. The "Spread of" formation is non-neutral because it is set up as an argument that the religion has expanded throughout the contry over history. It is a "we began small but took over" formulation. The fact of the history of Islam in Indonesia is there are parts of Indonesia that were more heavily Muslim in 1500 than they are today, and the history of Islam in the country is not just one of expansion. Anyway, we do not use the "spread of" formation in other countries, so there is no reason to use it in Indonesia.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Christian martyrs of Modern Times
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The result of the discussion was:rename. I did not see consensus on "of" versus "in," so if that's a point of contention, propose it again for renaming.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support (as original creator of category). I have tagged and added its denominational sub-cats to this nomination. –
Fayenatic(talk) 11:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Why the "in" - these are just biographies of people martyred after 1700, and we might as well say so. A slight improvement on the existing title, but sdo we really need these sub-groupings anyway?
Johnbod (
talk) 21:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Good point - "of" would be better than "in". When I originally created these sub-cats, it was the first time that Christian martyrs had been subdivided; there were no century categories. Now that century categories have been added, I acknowledge that these era-categories are no longer essential, but they are still useful for navigation as sub-cats of the history categories by era:
Comment Are these categories necessary now that categories of Christians, Martyrs etc by century already exist up to the 20th-century, and could be created if necessary for the 21st century, with by-century categories placed directly into the various eras, eg Christianity of the Early Modern era to include 16th, 17th & 18th century Christians. Unlike some in the the Ancient and Medieval eras, the correct century should be known for every Christian.
Hugo999 (
talk) 12:57, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment: I had not realised that Christians had been categorised by century, e.g.
Category:18th-century Christians. How does this work for the many whose lives spanned more than one century? In contrast, there is a single correct century for "martyrs", viz. the century of their martyrdom i.e. death. –
Fayenatic(talk) 22:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Ok, I can be sold these as sub-cats of the ones in the table above, but the martyrs break at 1700 while the main cat breaks at 1800!
Johnbod (
talk) 22:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Like mathematicians and artists, Christians who live in multiple centuries get put in the multiple categories. There is nothing that makes it so century categories are exclusive. On the specific question though, we would classify martyrs by the century in which they were killed. So we could put each martyr in a distinct category by when they died. Some their death year may be iffy, but very few since 1700 it would be unknown which century they died in.
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talk) 06:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Eccentricity
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 21:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Simply including someone in a category for having been eccentric seems like an overly broad system of classification. See, e.g.
Category:Recluses. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Delete. If it's being used as a substitute for
Category:Eccentrics, it should be deleted, since that category has been deleted by consensus.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 08:55, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete; even though a few pages clearly fit, the criteria for inclusion would be subjective and debatable. Better to list notable cases in the article
Eccentricity (behavior) with citations for being so characterised, and link to any other relevant pages under "See also". –
Fayenatic(talk) 09:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Ravensburg
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 13:21, 12 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. No need for this renaming. We should keep it simple and in line with the main article. -
Darwinek (
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Category:2006 in Australian motorsport
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn by nominator.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 07:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Overcategorisation. Noting that there are no other categories of the form "YYYY in <country> motorsport".
DH85868993 (
talk) 03:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Given the category has 10+ articles, it doesn't appear to be overcategorisation to me. It makes these articles very easy to find, and is populated with articles. Other sports have similar categories. Beyond over categorisation, is there a reason to merge? --06:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not especially passionate about the categories being merged. My main rationale for listing them here was to gauge opinion on whether this is a desirable category tree to introduce, in which case it should be extended to other years (and possibly countries) or not (in which case we can kill it easily now while there are only a few categories to process).
DH85868993 (
talk) 12:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree with above comment 10 plus articles is more then enough to justify a category, definitely not overcategorization
Djln--
Djln (
talk) 11:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose A logical subdivision with a sufficient number of articles to ensure that it is not overcategorization. In the United States, the most well-known racing series each have their own category instead of a country-based category (which is another fine way to do it). Royalbroil 04:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Withdraw nomination There's obviously support for the "YYYY in Australian motorsport" categories, so I hereby withdraw the nomination.
DH85868993 (
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Category:Hindu temples around Chennai
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The result of the discussion was:Delete/rename as nominated.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 06:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. I added two similar categories in Tamil Nadu to this nomination for renaming. –
Fayenatic(talk) 12:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename to in either for a city or district. Remove all categories using "around".
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 06:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Support. I am moving existing pages to district category. It would be slightly irrelevant as temples in Tamilnadu are not administered district-wise. Need to invent a bit more classification to achieve finesse. For now, it can be moved.S Sriram 01:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC)ssriram_mt
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Category:Interactive theorem proving software
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 06:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. More common, more concise name. —Ruud 00:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)reply
rename to match main article
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